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Ricky Lim
Singapore’s Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan and his Malaysian counterpart Anthony Loke said in a joint statement that the agreement was made “in the spirit of bilateral cooperation”.
“With this agreement, the Transport Ministers look forward to FlyFirefly Sdn Bhd’s commencement of flights to Seletar Airport effective April 2019,” they added.
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Singapore’s Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan and his Malaysian counterpart Anthony Loke said in a joint statement that the agreement was made “in the spirit of bilateral cooperation”.
“With this agreement, the Transport Ministers look forward to FlyFirefly Sdn Bhd’s commencement of flights to Seletar Airport effective April 2019,” they added.
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While cautiously welcoming this news, Singaporeans also need to be aware of the coming retreat --- which is more like a "鸿门宴" - a retreat full of "hidden agenda".
See report :-
"When asked what issues would be discussed at the retreat, Dr Mahathir said at a news conference in Malaysia on Friday: “All the things that are... unresolved, including the water problem... the border line with our waters... flights over our area, who is going to control it.”
See report :-
"When asked what issues would be discussed at the retreat, Dr Mahathir said at a news conference in Malaysia on Friday: “All the things that are... unresolved, including the water problem... the border line with our waters... flights over our area, who is going to control it.”
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Ricky Lim
(1) Without using ILS, aircraft landing into Seletar Airport will be base on eye vision and trial and error --- which is a problem during bad weather.
(2) Now Mahathir is squabbling over the air control of aircraft in some part of Johor airspace - in which we are controlling.
Without ILS and if Malaysia take over the control of this part of airspace --- aircraft landing into Seletar will become more hazardous because :-
(a) without ILS, pilot landing and taking off become a trial and error.
(b) without visibility from Johor side into our Seletar airport, by taking control over the airspace in Johor (now control by us) and try to control aircraft to land in Seletar Airport - will become dangerous - as Johor has no idea when an aircraft can land (as an aircraft could be taking off from Seletar Airport --- and may cause a crash.
Also the handling over of airspace control between Seletar Airport and Johor - are far too short (as the distance between Singapore and Johor) is only 22 km apart.
When Johor hand over the airspace control from Johor to Singapore or vice versa --- the reaction time will be too short - and in few minutes or seconds --- the aircraft will have fly over one airspace control to another ---- and this will again pose danger to air safety.
So Mahathir is introducing unnecessary problem and danger to both Johor and Singapore --- and the people who actually suffer are Firefly airlines as well as crew and passengers ---- who are facing real air safety danger ---- due to this "political power play" by Mahathir ---- who are indifference to the airline safety.
(2) Now Mahathir is squabbling over the air control of aircraft in some part of Johor airspace - in which we are controlling.
Without ILS and if Malaysia take over the control of this part of airspace --- aircraft landing into Seletar will become more hazardous because :-
(a) without ILS, pilot landing and taking off become a trial and error.
(b) without visibility from Johor side into our Seletar airport, by taking control over the airspace in Johor (now control by us) and try to control aircraft to land in Seletar Airport - will become dangerous - as Johor has no idea when an aircraft can land (as an aircraft could be taking off from Seletar Airport --- and may cause a crash.
Also the handling over of airspace control between Seletar Airport and Johor - are far too short (as the distance between Singapore and Johor) is only 22 km apart.
When Johor hand over the airspace control from Johor to Singapore or vice versa --- the reaction time will be too short - and in few minutes or seconds --- the aircraft will have fly over one airspace control to another ---- and this will again pose danger to air safety.
So Mahathir is introducing unnecessary problem and danger to both Johor and Singapore --- and the people who actually suffer are Firefly airlines as well as crew and passengers ---- who are facing real air safety danger ---- due to this "political power play" by Mahathir ---- who are indifference to the airline safety.
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Ricky Lim
Boris Panov - Already tell what i know.
Can't tell you more until the meeting on Apr 8 - 9, when our Prime Minister meet Mahathir - to go through the disputed issues.
Can't tell you more until the meeting on Apr 8 - 9, when our Prime Minister meet Mahathir - to go through the disputed issues.
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Dave Tan
First of all, why approval was not get from Malaysia before we decided to use ILS?? After so much taxpayers money wasted, and now its became another white elephant?????
It's others air space, for goddess sake! If you want to do something., it's just a basic courtesy to get others permission first.
How can you just proceed to do it before getting other permission???
Too arrogant is the cause!!!
It's others air space, for goddess sake! If you want to do something., it's just a basic courtesy to get others permission first.
How can you just proceed to do it before getting other permission???
Too arrogant is the cause!!!
Ricky Lim
How do you know Singapore did not inform Malaysia about the ILS?
The implementation of ILS was communicated to Malaysia (Najib Administration) - and they did not raise any objection - that is why ILS is planned for Seletar Airport - for all turbo jets.
Now Mahathir is giving us problem.
Also if ILS is not used for Malaysia flight --- I believe it can be used for Indonesia flight from Jarkata and Batam - 2 budget airlines --- so I don't think is wasted.
A full blown airport need to have ILS --- not manual "eye-ball" especially if air-flight become more and more congested and run 24x365.
The implementation of ILS was communicated to Malaysia (Najib Administration) - and they did not raise any objection - that is why ILS is planned for Seletar Airport - for all turbo jets.
Now Mahathir is giving us problem.
Also if ILS is not used for Malaysia flight --- I believe it can be used for Indonesia flight from Jarkata and Batam - 2 budget airlines --- so I don't think is wasted.
A full blown airport need to have ILS --- not manual "eye-ball" especially if air-flight become more and more congested and run 24x365.
Frank Kam
Bullshit !!! They agreed becos their Budget Airline is losing million of dollars every month. It's freaking hurting their pockets that's the only reason that I can see for this result !!!
Clifton Foo
Spot on haha. Their budget airline lose money. Their national carrier looking for buyers after decades of losses.
Malaysia's majority race are just too lazy. If not for palm oil and petroleum, long ago economy gone case. Too many najib kinda people there. All makan money too.
Malaysia's majority race are just too lazy. If not for palm oil and petroleum, long ago economy gone case. Too many najib kinda people there. All makan money too.
Eddie Lim
everything changes when old snake dies..
Steven Mok
Clifton Foo
Before 2020 more likely, based on unnecessary extreme used of his brain and old blood vessels can choking and collapsed abruptly. It may occurred this coming April when he was Beijing.
Before 2020 more likely, based on unnecessary extreme used of his brain and old blood vessels can choking and collapsed abruptly. It may occurred this coming April when he was Beijing.
Georgie Tan
They have poor Maths and miscalculate the amount that are going to lose. Now have to sell MAS.
Also for water, M has changed his mind 3 times from 45 sen to 60 sen and to RM6.25 sen between 2000 to 2002. Who is to be blame? SG has allowed Malaysia to increase the price but M is taking advantage and at the end he lost.
Also for water, M has changed his mind 3 times from 45 sen to 60 sen and to RM6.25 sen between 2000 to 2002. Who is to be blame? SG has allowed Malaysia to increase the price but M is taking advantage and at the end he lost.
Eddy Khong
People with fake Universities degrees what can the country expect? Should have sack them long ago.
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Singh Prem
A good start....and best to work on mutual benefit for the people on each side.
Steven Mok
AY Lim
if one's goes close or believed Mahathir, you are sleeping with crocodile or pythons either been swallowed or coiled you. Sure DIED including his own handpicked trusted ministers like Anwar, Abdullah Badawi, Najib. Next come Azmin and LGE. Time will tell.
Azmin still blurred about M cunning wicked plans. Maybe Azmin has his own secret ways to shallowy goes against Mahathir.
if one's goes close or believed Mahathir, you are sleeping with crocodile or pythons either been swallowed or coiled you. Sure DIED including his own handpicked trusted ministers like Anwar, Abdullah Badawi, Najib. Next come Azmin and LGE. Time will tell.
Azmin still blurred about M cunning wicked plans. Maybe Azmin has his own secret ways to shallowy goes against Mahathir.
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Singh Prem
AY Lim we can only hope that the happy relationship of the 2 nations' people will be the paramount consideration. No political mileage, please. Malaysia needs Singapore, and vice-versa and we must get the relationship back on mutual respect pedestal. So close but not actually be caring of each other is a sad state of affairs. So much to do together, and be progressing, on all scores, to the envy of others.....Hope Mahathir's team and LHL's team can be decisive together, to forge a stable relationship between the 2 countries, founded on mutual respect and understanding. Nothing is impossible, unless.....
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Yi Yong Ke
Lum Pah...
Pah Lum...
All the same...
back to square one ...
Hopefully no accident on the approach... by firefly...
Pah Lum...
All the same...
back to square one ...
Hopefully no accident on the approach... by firefly...
Manenough Tan
"...in a joint statement that the agreement was made “in the spirit of bilateral cooperation”." So everything back to the original. So what's the fuss before? TCSS?
Bernard Pang
Hmm what a bilateral agreement!The ILS is a std norm 3 degree G/S and shoudnt interfere its passage over pasir Gudang.Its an agreement sign n approve by ICAO long b4 Seletar r/w was lengthen.
Ridzuwan Aziz
Let's work in the spirit of ASEAN brotherhood n solidarity to achieve prosperity n harmony for the good of future generation
Alan Tyc
The governments have to ensure that aircraft can land safely without ILS. They are responsible to the population living near the airport. Perhaps Firefly can replace their propeller plane with MAS jet and use Changi airport instead. The governments need to ensure and do not compromise on safety, people lives are at stake.
Niko Nishi
Again another face saving move for them to back down from the corner and trap they have put themselves in. This face saving move will put flights to Seletar at risk when poor visibilty is poor and will be a bad reflection of their knowledge and competency to manage the airspace they are fighting to claim back. Any discussions on air navigation arrangements must fundamentally be based on technical and operational considerations, for the purpose of ensuring the safety and efficiency of civil aviation and done properly in accordance with the rules, requirements and decisions set out by the International Civil Aviation Organization. Look like their Transport Minister has just screwed himself.
Soen Seng Thio
typical style of DR M policy.. political driven just to give Singapore a stomach ache. next time they will give headache.
Soen Seng Thio
typical style of DR M ., once in a while he will give a small stomach ache or headache. it has 2 functions.
1. to let Singapore knows who is the boss around here.
2. to train his incompetent ministers. n learn from Singaore ministers. how to handle matters.
1. to let Singapore knows who is the boss around here.
2. to train his incompetent ministers. n learn from Singaore ministers. how to handle matters.
Lu Pin
Ok everything snowballed because of ILS. Now that ILS is scrapped, everything will be alrite.
Teo Huai Wei Edmund
Without ILS means landing at Seletar during a thunderstorm relies on mere visual aids rather than using instruments to help as is the case in any reputable airport.
If you think this is alright in terms of passenger safety, then go ahead and use it. A nation-wide boycott appears to be in order, and the Malaysian govt must be taken to task to accept any responsibilities for any mishaps which may occur.
If you think this is alright in terms of passenger safety, then go ahead and use it. A nation-wide boycott appears to be in order, and the Malaysian govt must be taken to task to accept any responsibilities for any mishaps which may occur.
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Steven Mok
Whoever goes close or to believe Mahathir you surely be destroyed or swallowed due to his "Nature Born" evil hearted and cunning man.
He is blatantly openly telling lies and break promises without carry a shame on his face. And yet he thinks he is smart, in reality he's a pity and selfish old man who unable to enjoy his golden year with family and grandchildren.
He used his brain on the wrong path that brings many Malaysians disappointed and sickening of his repeatedly old wicked strategies.
He is blatantly openly telling lies and break promises without carry a shame on his face. And yet he thinks he is smart, in reality he's a pity and selfish old man who unable to enjoy his golden year with family and grandchildren.
He used his brain on the wrong path that brings many Malaysians disappointed and sickening of his repeatedly old wicked strategies.
Sharil Bin Saharudin
Might as well as close down Seletar Airport. Or convert Seletar Airport to be used exclusively for MY carriers, like MAS, Airasia, Firefly, etc.
Jeffrey Lee
How much does the Instrument Landing System total installation cost to install and what will happen after suspended?
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Nicole Tan
I am boycotting Firefly, Air Asia and other malaysia airlines. I hope the handlers at changi airport do their clearance for these airlines a little slowly too. I hope KLIA reciprocate the same treatment to singapore's airlines as well so that less people will go to malaysia through our airlines as well.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
Tan Kee Hian
Bilateral coorperation?? I thought Malaysia got what they wanted and Singapore got nothing. Singapore basically have to remove their ILS. Might as well removed it months ago when Malaysia asked
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Jeffrey Lee
How much does the Instrument Landing System total installation cost to install and what will happen after suspended?
Nicole Tan
I am boycotting Firefly, Air Asia and other malaysia airlines. I hope the handlers at changi airport do their clearance for these airlines a little slowly too. I hope KLIA reciprocate the same treatment to singapore's airlines as well so that less people will go to malaysia through our airlines as well.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
Tan Kee Hian
Bilateral coorperation?? I thought Malaysia got what they wanted and Singapore got nothing. Singapore basically have to remove their ILS. Might as well removed it months ago when Malaysia asked
Kok Jin Li
ILS (Instrument Landing System)is to help/guide pilots during landing. Hence, it will help to enhance the safety of passengers and crew. Don't understand why Malaysia objected to the introduction of ILS in Seletar Airport when pilots of FireFly aircraft will benefit from it. Well, I guess even without the ILS in place,Seletar airport can still function efficiently, effectively and safely. Just hope Malaysia will see the benefits of ILS one fine day.
Swee Meng Ling
Firefly loss RM250 mil in 2015, loss RM36.65 mil in 2017. Monthly loss by Loke on suspending Firefly flight to Seletar was about RM20 mil, so RM80 mil gone so far for MAS.
Timeless Zim
nothing to rejoice , stay alert 24/7, stay sober , be situation aware , never let go your sword , you never know when & where the serpent will strike again.
Yeok Fong Yong
Singapore wanted the ILS is for safety. Look like because Malaysia made political noise, Singapore switched back to previous practice which I assume is less than safe! So, it there is a plane crashes with loss of lives and property damages because of a lack of ILS, who should be blamed....Malaysia for making political noise or Singapore sucumbing to political pressure?
Jeffrey Lee
How much does the Instrument Landing System total installation cost to install and what will happen after suspended?
Boris Panov
It's around 1.5 Million USD and 150,000/year to maintain. They can simply sell it or install it somewhere else to avoid losing money on maintenance.
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Nicole Tan
I am boycotting Firefly, Air Asia and other malaysia airlines. I hope the handlers at changi airport do their clearance for these airlines a little slowly too. I hope KLIA reciprocate the same treatment to singapore's airlines as well so that less people will go to malaysia through our airlines as well.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
There must be a reduction of trade of good and services between Singapore and Malaysia. Whatever we trade from malaysia, lets trade it with people who respect us and most importantly have honor. Malaysian cannot be trusted as they have none.
Boris Panov
So your solution to hatred in this world is more hatred? Not sure how that has worked out in the past. Thankfully politicians are much more level-headed than you are.
Tan Kee Hian
Bilateral coorperation?? I thought Malaysia got what they wanted and Singapore got nothing. Singapore basically have to remove their ILS. Might as well removed it months ago when Malaysia asked
Kok Jin Li
ILS (Instrument Landing System)is to help/guide pilots during landing. Hence, it will help to enhance the safety of passengers and crew. Don't understand why Malaysia objected to the introduction of ILS in Seletar Airport when pilots of FireFly aircraft will benefit from it. Well, I guess even without the ILS in place,Seletar airport can still function efficiently, effectively and safely. Just hope Malaysia will see the benefits of ILS one fine day.
Boris Panov
ILS requires planes to be at a specific altitude which is quite low to the ground. The ILS' flight path would be going over Malaysia and would prevent them from developing the area in the future as any crane or bulding would be directly in the flight path.
As for the safety, don't worry. There's likely around 100,000 planes per day that land without ILS around the world.
As for Malaysia seeing the benefits, they definitely do considering it's installed at KLIA and other airports.
As for the safety, don't worry. There's likely around 100,000 planes per day that land without ILS around the world.
As for Malaysia seeing the benefits, they definitely do considering it's installed at KLIA and other airports.
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Ricky Lim
Boris Panov - In case you don't know, Firefly CEO is the one that request for ILS if it is going to relocate to Seletar Airport.
Firefly CEO sit in the safety review board when MAS MH370 gone missing - and one of the item to enhance safety is to have an ILS.
Anyway for Singapore, we always look at technologies to complement manpower - an ILS is a good instrument (24 hours) on service.
Your suggestion to use manpower (flight controller) to control flight is like an analogy :-
- use paper and pen to maintain an account
- while we want to invest in computer spreadsheet to maintain our account - where we can easily edit, store, print and store in a computer file.
If a computer spreadsheet has better productivity, why use calculator?
If calculator is better, why use abacus?
If abacus is better, why use finger to count?
Firefly CEO sit in the safety review board when MAS MH370 gone missing - and one of the item to enhance safety is to have an ILS.
Anyway for Singapore, we always look at technologies to complement manpower - an ILS is a good instrument (24 hours) on service.
Your suggestion to use manpower (flight controller) to control flight is like an analogy :-
- use paper and pen to maintain an account
- while we want to invest in computer spreadsheet to maintain our account - where we can easily edit, store, print and store in a computer file.
If a computer spreadsheet has better productivity, why use calculator?
If calculator is better, why use abacus?
If abacus is better, why use finger to count?
Swee Meng Ling
Firefly loss RM250 mil in 2015, loss RM36.65 mil in 2017. Monthly loss by Loke on suspending Firefly flight to Seletar was about RM20 mil, so RM80 mil gone so far for MAS.
Timeless Zim
nothing to rejoice , stay alert 24/7, stay sober , be situation aware , never let go your sword , you never know when & where the serpent will strike again.
Yeok Fong Yong
Singapore wanted the ILS is for safety. Look like because Malaysia made political noise, Singapore switched back to previous practice which I assume is less than safe! So, it there is a plane crashes with loss of lives and property damages because of a lack of ILS, who should be blamed....Malaysia for making political noise or Singapore sucumbing to political pressure?
Boris Panov
The person to be blamed in that case would most likely be the Singaporean air traffic controller. ILS is only used in low visibility situations and it's up to the air traffic controller to redirect the flight if visibility is too low and no ILS is in place.
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Timeless Zim
hope the python is wise enough to handle putrajaya anaconda and not get swallowed up during the retreat up north .
Oliver Weng
If like that, then cut defence Budget and increase healthcare Budget for Poor. Stop buying new aircrafts F35 .
Georgie Lee
Singapore - you ought to learn your lesseons by now. Never never trust this 93 year old snake and his baruahs. Everyone knows that this Firefly is bleeding to death. Now that Singapore has given them an inch tomorrow these baruahs will demand more e.g. their two vessels now in Singapore water at
Tuas are in their port limit. Actually, what brain have they got?
Tuas are in their port limit. Actually, what brain have they got?
Kua Hoe Say
May be Msia Air force can outsource to RSAF like Nz did to Oz, SQ take over MAS & Airasia, so all airspace issue settle.
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