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Ricky Lim
While keeping an open mind of the outcome of the townhall and reviewing the entire disciplinary framework, will urge the Disciplinary Board to always keep in mind the :-
Ricky Lim
Principles and guidelines of dealing with crime
(1) I don't condone crime - and all crime must be properly addressed.
(2) All crime must be dealt with - with appropriate, effective deterrence to discourage crime from occuring but not excessive.
(3) Offenders upon punishment - must be accorded the chance for rehabilitation with the view of allowing them to rejoin Society to be a better person and not condemn him/her eternally or ruin his/her lives forever eg :-
a. drug offenders - drug rehabilitation
b. terrorist - religious rehabilitation
c. convicted criminal - "yellow ribbon"
d. education institiution - police working with school authoritites
e. military camp - police working with military punishment eg. charge, DB, SOL, confinement, extra guard duties etc - without "black record".
f. home - police, welfare institutions working with parents, guardians and family members
and many others.
(4) The above justice are carry out for less serious offences (not serious crime like rape, murder, drug trafficking, bomb, discharge of firearms etc) occuring in the various institutions :-
a. with the mind to administer justice appropriately to deter crime,
b. with mind to encourage offenders to be remorseful and to become a better person.
c. to foster rehabilitation - without ruining his/her lives - in the moment of folly.
d. without going into extreme punishment, "go everything by the book" - to ruin a person's life who can be rehabilitated.
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Ricky Lim
Principles and guidelines of dealing with crime
(1) I don't condone crime - and all crime must be properly addressed.
(2) All crime must be dealt with - with appropriate, effective deterrence to discourage crime from occuring but not excessive.
(3) Offenders upon punishment - must be accorded the chance for rehabilitation with the view of allowing them to rejoin Society to be a better person and not condemn him/her eternally or ruin his/her lives forever eg :-
a. drug offenders - drug rehabilitation
b. terrorist - religious rehabilitation
c. convicted criminal - "yellow ribbon"
d. education institiution - police working with school authoritites
e. military camp - police working with military punishment eg. charge, DB, SOL, confinement, extra guard duties etc - without "black record".
f. home - police, welfare institutions working with parents, guardians and family members
and many others.
(4) The above justice are carry out for less serious offences (not serious crime like rape, murder, drug trafficking, bomb, discharge of firearms etc) occuring in the various institutions :-
a. with the mind to administer justice appropriately to deter crime,
b. with mind to encourage offenders to be remorseful and to become a better person.
c. to foster rehabilitation - without ruining his/her lives - in the moment of folly.
d. without going into extreme punishment, "go everything by the book" - to ruin a person's life who can be rehabilitated.
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Ricky Lim
The above principles and guidelines have served us well for Singapore Society for many decades - characterise by low crime rate and a more inclusive society where we don't eternally condemn a crime and give no chance for remorse - by totally ruining a person (who in the moment of folly - commit a crime).
This refer to the less serious crime - not those serious crime such as rape, murder, arson, firearm discharge, terrorism firing and bombing, drug trafficking etc - that cause death and serious injuries.
While we got anger by crime that hurt the victims - we must also be composed - and always be mindful of the priniciples and guidelines --- that guide us to ensure a more inclusive society.
This refer to the less serious crime - not those serious crime such as rape, murder, arson, firearm discharge, terrorism firing and bombing, drug trafficking etc - that cause death and serious injuries.
While we got anger by crime that hurt the victims - we must also be composed - and always be mindful of the priniciples and guidelines --- that guide us to ensure a more inclusive society.
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Ricky Lim
For eg.
(1) There is a boy who is very rebellious in school - and has violate many school rules such as hooliganism, fighting etc.
But he was not expelled from the school and is given chance through intensive counselling.
One day he is remorseful - work hard - to enter law and become a lawyer.
He is now a famous lawyer and has help many for free (who can't afford lawyer fees).
He is also an active grassroot leader - doing many voluntary work contributing to the society.
Now - if he is condemned by the school and not given chance to rehabilitate to become a better person -- Singapore will have lose this lawyer and grassroot leader who have contributed selfllessly to Singapore Society.
(1) There is a boy who is very rebellious in school - and has violate many school rules such as hooliganism, fighting etc.
But he was not expelled from the school and is given chance through intensive counselling.
One day he is remorseful - work hard - to enter law and become a lawyer.
He is now a famous lawyer and has help many for free (who can't afford lawyer fees).
He is also an active grassroot leader - doing many voluntary work contributing to the society.
Now - if he is condemned by the school and not given chance to rehabilitate to become a better person -- Singapore will have lose this lawyer and grassroot leader who have contributed selfllessly to Singapore Society.
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Ricky Lim
Eg.
(2) A talented civil servant has contributed tremendously to the civil service.
However, in one momentary lapse of negligence - he left a "classified document" behind - and was picked up by a reporter - who reported the content without official permission.
The civil servant was charged under OSA - but his career was not ruin.
After some years, he was picked to be a political leader --- and Singapore has benefitted tremendously from his many valuable contributions to Singapore - and he is well liked by many Singaporeans.
If he is ruined and eternally condemn for his momentary lapse of negligence --- Singapore will have lose this valuable Leader.
(2) A talented civil servant has contributed tremendously to the civil service.
However, in one momentary lapse of negligence - he left a "classified document" behind - and was picked up by a reporter - who reported the content without official permission.
The civil servant was charged under OSA - but his career was not ruin.
After some years, he was picked to be a political leader --- and Singapore has benefitted tremendously from his many valuable contributions to Singapore - and he is well liked by many Singaporeans.
If he is ruined and eternally condemn for his momentary lapse of negligence --- Singapore will have lose this valuable Leader.
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Ricky Lim
Thus I am still on the opinion of :-
得饶人处且饶人.
能原谅别人的过错，就是释放自己的痛苦。
--- especially if the offender is the 1st offender (not a recalcitrant repeat offender), has been punished, has express remorse and have genuine repent ---- rehabiliation process (without ruining his entire life) --- should be one of the important consideration.
If the Society forsake him - it sometimes may not only be his loss, the Society may also lose a potential talent (who has in his momentary lapse of folly - done a serious wrong) --- but have repented.
得饶人处且饶人.
能原谅别人的过错，就是释放自己的痛苦。
--- especially if the offender is the 1st offender (not a recalcitrant repeat offender), has been punished, has express remorse and have genuine repent ---- rehabiliation process (without ruining his entire life) --- should be one of the important consideration.
If the Society forsake him - it sometimes may not only be his loss, the Society may also lose a potential talent (who has in his momentary lapse of folly - done a serious wrong) --- but have repented.
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Ricky Lim
(3) 3rd eg.
A famous film director was accused of sexual harassment and was exposed for adultery.
The whole media was condemning his sexual exploit and misconduct.
He seek his wife and his kids forgiveness and stay out of limelight for a few years.
He was eventually forgiven and the media re-engage him in couple of drama.
And he produce many blockbusters from then on - ah boy to ah men 1,2,3,4 and many others.
Singapore will have lose the talented film director - if we witch hunt him and eternally condemn him.
A famous film director was accused of sexual harassment and was exposed for adultery.
The whole media was condemning his sexual exploit and misconduct.
He seek his wife and his kids forgiveness and stay out of limelight for a few years.
He was eventually forgiven and the media re-engage him in couple of drama.
And he produce many blockbusters from then on - ah boy to ah men 1,2,3,4 and many others.
Singapore will have lose the talented film director - if we witch hunt him and eternally condemn him.
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Ricky Lim
(4) A 4th eg.
A famous oversea actress turn citizen - sexual exploit photos was leaked in the internet --- and many netizens and media condemn her in her own Country.
But Singapore take her in and she become citizen.
She contributed quietly at the background - and in Star Award - invited as a guest star to present awards to local stars.
A famous oversea actress turn citizen - sexual exploit photos was leaked in the internet --- and many netizens and media condemn her in her own Country.
But Singapore take her in and she become citizen.
She contributed quietly at the background - and in Star Award - invited as a guest star to present awards to local stars.
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Paul Tan
Ricky Lim looking the way the criminal act was executed. It is likely that this is not his first time. The police should thoroughly scan all his mobile devices and computer as this should be the normal procedure to find out more.
Ricky Lim
Paul Tan -
Like what i have said, I don't condone criminal act.
If he prove to be a repeat offender - he deserve stern punishment - so that society will not subject to such kind of menance.
(Having say so, if he finally repent - "yellow ribbon" still apply - because we don't condemn people eternally).
I have see in my own eyes the beneficial power of "yellow ribbon" - when i can see the determination of how convicted criminals want to turn over a new leaf.
But as police has done the due diligence - I won't dispute the police handling of the case - unless i am proven wrong.
Like what i have said, I don't condone criminal act.
If he prove to be a repeat offender - he deserve stern punishment - so that society will not subject to such kind of menance.
(Having say so, if he finally repent - "yellow ribbon" still apply - because we don't condemn people eternally).
I have see in my own eyes the beneficial power of "yellow ribbon" - when i can see the determination of how convicted criminals want to turn over a new leaf.
But as police has done the due diligence - I won't dispute the police handling of the case - unless i am proven wrong.
Kh Tan
What if this case was perpetrated by a contractor that is not affiliated to NUS? This is not within NUS jurisdiction, the police has to take over. Our law must be applied without fear or favour.
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黄柏安
The police was involved and the court has already given the sentence. Miss Baey felt that the sentence given was too light and somehow NUS is now then involved. NUS or miss Baey can always appeal to the court. You can't make your own law neither can you change the law using the Internet unless you are doing it just to get famous.
Heng Choy Yuen
黄柏安 " ... and the court has already given the sentence." I think you better recheck your facts. The court did not sentence the sex offender because his case was not sent by the police for prosecution in a trial.
Heng Choy Yuen
黄柏安 sorry we are not dealing with a traffic offence. SPF investigates and sends reports to AGC for prosecution. Sentencing is done by our court judges which in this case was not even sent to court - but in your post, you seem to equate a court judge and the police as having the same roles in prosecuting criminal cases. The pervert in this case was not sentenced by a judge and therefore not by "the court" as you said. I do agree that she can pursue the case legally on her own and I understand that is a final option she can choose. But any lawyer would advise her to think carefully - an NUS student launching lawsuits is somehow more distressing because she has to think of graduating from NUS first.
Eng Hong Ong
黄柏安 nice.. so now I know SPF benchmark in punishing peeping tom's.. no law to punish peeping tom.. everyone can feel safe to start recording people bathing
Eng Hong Ong
黄柏安 do you understand what is criminal and civil case? If you don't please don't comment..
Eng Hong Ong
Heng Choy Yuen everyone is focusing on the wrong target.. I really like to understand why SPF did not think this was a criminal case.. instead asking the lady to pursue her civil rights..
黄柏安
Eng Hong Ong it has nothing to do with civil law please. Miss Baey is simply unhappy with the spf sentences. She can appeal to the court. We have the precedence that the jail term can be reduced by half if you can find the right lawyer. By pursuing the case over the Internet, she maybe thinking she is doing justice, but actually she is doing a lot of injustice to the others. What if the offender or his family cannot take the online humiliation and commit suicide. Do you think it is justice just because she's unhappy with the spf?
黄柏安
Heng Choy Yuen police is part of the law and spf is empowered to decide whether to proceed with court action after investigation. Since it is a criminal case, the state will prosecute the offender. Miss Baey is just a witness. Traffic offences in the past are similarly deemed too lenient sentenced by many of us.
Tommie Vale
It's tempting when there is a concentration of fresh flesh in campus. You have to be steady to keep still. Girls in shorts and minis. Unless the university goes back to the days of proper dress code for its students, it's a tough thing not to be attracted by the flesh.
Eddy Lam
Temptations are incited in the mind.
Choices are made in the mind.
Actions are acted out from the mind.
Even getting drunk is a series of choices and actions. Nobody can force you to down 10 alcohol shots. You chose to do it 10 times.
Unless you've resigned to being a slave to temptation, I guess your only choice is to play the victim card in the court of law or public opinion. Good luck with that.
Choices are made in the mind.
Actions are acted out from the mind.
Even getting drunk is a series of choices and actions. Nobody can force you to down 10 alcohol shots. You chose to do it 10 times.
Unless you've resigned to being a slave to temptation, I guess your only choice is to play the victim card in the court of law or public opinion. Good luck with that.
Eng Hong Ong
If everyone drink 10 tequila shots and can starts robbing or rapping girls with diminished responsibility...
Eng Hong Ong
Tommie Vale So you are saying people deserve to be raped if they choose to wear shorts? Interesting....
Oliver Weng
Can our million-dollar Education and Law ministers say something? Please show us that u deserve your million-dollars paycheck.
Heng Choy Yuen
Waste of time and it's a desperate PR exercise to tame public outrage. The issue is simple: know the difference between A DISCIPLINARY CASE and A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. Ms Baey was the victim of a SEXUAL OFFENCE - if that same pervert was caught filming girls inside a toilet/bathroom in a location OUTSIDE of NUS, he would be arrested by the police, charged with outrage of modesty, sent to AGC for prosecution and be sentenced in front of a judge. There has been a spate of similar convictions in the past few months in 2018 & 2019. NUS is an educational institution and all offences that fall under the…See More
Christopher Liew
NUS seems to be making some attempt at change. Whether it's all just a wayang we'll only know after their deliberation.
On another note, Nus' jurisdiction only extends to the academic and school side of things while the police on the other hand can choose to charge the perp or not for a criminal offence. In this case, they chose not to despite all the provisions of evidence against him. We should be asking why the police didn't want to proceed.
On another note, Nus' jurisdiction only extends to the academic and school side of things while the police on the other hand can choose to charge the perp or not for a criminal offence. In this case, they chose not to despite all the provisions of evidence against him. We should be asking why the police didn't want to proceed.
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Eng Hong Ong
Christopher Liew agree fully! SPF and AG should explain what was lacking.. or is peeping Tom considered a civil case?
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TanChin
At one hand want to punish to deter, at another hand sayang if ruin a talented handsome sport man for non physical violation. Top 5% JC & Navy Diver is no joke. Give him a chance lah, Monica. But do go after NUS for simply shoved you aside.
Moral of the story, NUS management screwed up for not able to take care victim aftermath anger & trauma with its high handed style. 99.9% roll over & live in trauma for life or get silent with threat, one tigress took it out with media power.
NUSSU must take NUS MGMT to task. Pls help to field above qn, my future SG leaders we rely on.
Moral of the story, NUS management screwed up for not able to take care victim aftermath anger & trauma with its high handed style. 99.9% roll over & live in trauma for life or get silent with threat, one tigress took it out with media power.
NUSSU must take NUS MGMT to task. Pls help to field above qn, my future SG leaders we rely on.
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Eng Hong Ong
Nice!!! everyone going to be a peeping tom with a recording camera after this case.. we going to become S.Korea younger brother!
Timeless Zim
we should respect the decision of the Singapore Police Force , Singapore is already rotting away can't imagine if everyone go online to force government institutions to right every small wrong that we encounter everyday , he is also a son to some parents out there struggling with pain ,sorrow and heartache for mistake that their child committed .
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