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Ricky Lim
As long as Mahathir is still the prime minister - the chances of going to the International Court is very high.
Ricky Lim
Ricky Lim
If Mahathir study "Law of Contract" - he probably will not challenge us in Court.
The 4 elements of "Law of Contract" :-
(1) Offer
(2) Acceptance
(3) Consideration
(4) Mutual Agreement of legal consequences
--- non of them are fulfilled by Mahathir and his gang. (No offer from us, no acceptance from us, no Consideration perform by Malaysia group with monetary benefits, no legal documents signed - to the effect of revision of water prices).
Malaysia stand now is in effect "an invitation to treat" to revise price - in which we will not accept it - and thus the element of "Offer" does not materialise - and the subsequent elements of "Acceptance", "Considerations" and "Legal intention" --- will not take place - and thus Malaysia has no legal ground in the price revision.
Conversely, we have all the above 4 elements.
(1) Offer - to revise price in 1987 or status quo
(2) Acceptance - Mahathir want status quo in 1987, in Jan 2018, Najib sign reaffirmation
(3) Consideration -
(a) we build the Linggiu Dam at $300 million after 1987 to reinforce the water agreement.
(b) We supply 16 mgd a day to Johor as goodwill (above the 5 mgd a day - legal requirement).
(c) Singapore has so far spent more than S$1 billion on water projects in Johor.
These are committed based on the considerations that there will be no further revision in the water prices.
(4) Mutual Agreement of legal consequences -
(a) (i) in 1962 Water Agreement and in 1965, when Singapore was ejected from the Federation of Malaysia, Singapore took the precaution of ensuring that the 1962 Water Agreement was guaranteed by the governments of both Malaysia and Singapore.
(ii) It forms in effect part of Singapore and Malaysia 1965 Separation Agreement.
Any breach of the 1962 Water Agreement would call into question the Separation Agreement, and this Separation Agreement is the basis of our existence of an independent sovereign state.
Therefore, Malaysia and Singapore must fully honour the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, including the price of water stipulated in it,
Neither Malaysia nor Singapore can unilaterally change the terms of this agreement between the two countries.
(b) 1987 agreement not to revise water price - signed by PM of both Countries
(c) Jan 2018 reaffirmation of terms and conditions of the Water Agreement (including the water prices) - signed by PM of both Countries
--- All the above are legally binding document that are signed.
Based on the above legal ground, Malaysia has lost right to review the price of water.
That is why our legal ground are very strong ---- good thing they fall into our wish to go to Court.
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If Mahathir study "Law of Contract" - he probably will not challenge us in Court.
The 4 elements of "Law of Contract" :-
(1) Offer
(2) Acceptance
(3) Consideration
(4) Mutual Agreement of legal consequences
--- non of them are fulfilled by Mahathir and his gang. (No offer from us, no acceptance from us, no Consideration perform by Malaysia group with monetary benefits, no legal documents signed - to the effect of revision of water prices).
Malaysia stand now is in effect "an invitation to treat" to revise price - in which we will not accept it - and thus the element of "Offer" does not materialise - and the subsequent elements of "Acceptance", "Considerations" and "Legal intention" --- will not take place - and thus Malaysia has no legal ground in the price revision.
Conversely, we have all the above 4 elements.
(1) Offer - to revise price in 1987 or status quo
(2) Acceptance - Mahathir want status quo in 1987, in Jan 2018, Najib sign reaffirmation
(3) Consideration -
(a) we build the Linggiu Dam at $300 million after 1987 to reinforce the water agreement.
(b) We supply 16 mgd a day to Johor as goodwill (above the 5 mgd a day - legal requirement).
(c) Singapore has so far spent more than S$1 billion on water projects in Johor.
These are committed based on the considerations that there will be no further revision in the water prices.
(4) Mutual Agreement of legal consequences -
(a) (i) in 1962 Water Agreement and in 1965, when Singapore was ejected from the Federation of Malaysia, Singapore took the precaution of ensuring that the 1962 Water Agreement was guaranteed by the governments of both Malaysia and Singapore.
(ii) It forms in effect part of Singapore and Malaysia 1965 Separation Agreement.
Any breach of the 1962 Water Agreement would call into question the Separation Agreement, and this Separation Agreement is the basis of our existence of an independent sovereign state.
Therefore, Malaysia and Singapore must fully honour the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, including the price of water stipulated in it,
Neither Malaysia nor Singapore can unilaterally change the terms of this agreement between the two countries.
(b) 1987 agreement not to revise water price - signed by PM of both Countries
(c) Jan 2018 reaffirmation of terms and conditions of the Water Agreement (including the water prices) - signed by PM of both Countries
--- All the above are legally binding document that are signed.
Based on the above legal ground, Malaysia has lost right to review the price of water.
That is why our legal ground are very strong ---- good thing they fall into our wish to go to Court.
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Kwai Meng Tang
Singapore should put this water issue with Malaysia to rest once and for all to avoid their constant use of this issue to put us edge. And the only way to deal with them is to use the international arbitration court to come to conclusion.
Yeok Fong Yong
Let me tell Dr Mahathir and media director of Bersatu’s Johor chapter Mohd Solihan Badri about your standard of Morality:
What is "Morally Wrong": Malaysia sells the water to Malaysia consumers = RM$3.60 sen (per 1000 gallons) but buy from Singapore at RM$0.50 sen (per 1000 gallons). You ripped off Johoreans RM3.10 per thousand gallons!
What is "Morally Wrong": You complaint that RM 3 cents per thousand gallon is too cheap now, yet in 1987 when you can review the price, you choose not to because you know the TREATED water you get from Singapore then was "DIRT" cheap, YET you never complained to Johoreans that those DIRT CHEAP water was MORALLY WRONG to get from Singapore
What is "Morally Wrong": Singapore invested over a Billion Singapore dollars in your Linggiu dam, all paid by Singapore citizens. Malaysia need not have to pay ONE CENT! Singapore will return the whole Damn Dam to you in good condition by 2061. Yet, You stoke anger with Malaysians on 3 cents but covered up the over 3 Billions Ringgit Malaysia will received in 2061!
What is "Morally Wrong": Singapore supplied extra treated water to Johore way above the water agreement to help Johoreans whenever there are problems with water supply. This is in the spirit of goodwill and good-neighbourliness and Singapore does not expect anything in return BUT Singapore does not deserved being called a “profiteer” or skimming poor neighbour! What Moral Principle is Mahathir and his cronies based on?
What is "Morally Wrong": This 1962 water agreement is part of Singapore Independence agreement. You tear this water agreement will open up other agreements which jeopardise Singapore as a sovereign nation. What stop you from complaining later that the “divorce” in 1965 was unfair because Malaysia did not ask for compensation just like EU requires UK for Brexit “divorce bill”! So, if Singapore agrees to adjust the water price, Singapore should also pay “Divorce Bill” too, right?
What is "Morally Wrong": Malaysia sells the water to Malaysia consumers = RM$3.60 sen (per 1000 gallons) but buy from Singapore at RM$0.50 sen (per 1000 gallons). You ripped off Johoreans RM3.10 per thousand gallons!
What is "Morally Wrong": You complaint that RM 3 cents per thousand gallon is too cheap now, yet in 1987 when you can review the price, you choose not to because you know the TREATED water you get from Singapore then was "DIRT" cheap, YET you never complained to Johoreans that those DIRT CHEAP water was MORALLY WRONG to get from Singapore
What is "Morally Wrong": Singapore invested over a Billion Singapore dollars in your Linggiu dam, all paid by Singapore citizens. Malaysia need not have to pay ONE CENT! Singapore will return the whole Damn Dam to you in good condition by 2061. Yet, You stoke anger with Malaysians on 3 cents but covered up the over 3 Billions Ringgit Malaysia will received in 2061!
What is "Morally Wrong": Singapore supplied extra treated water to Johore way above the water agreement to help Johoreans whenever there are problems with water supply. This is in the spirit of goodwill and good-neighbourliness and Singapore does not expect anything in return BUT Singapore does not deserved being called a “profiteer” or skimming poor neighbour! What Moral Principle is Mahathir and his cronies based on?
What is "Morally Wrong": This 1962 water agreement is part of Singapore Independence agreement. You tear this water agreement will open up other agreements which jeopardise Singapore as a sovereign nation. What stop you from complaining later that the “divorce” in 1965 was unfair because Malaysia did not ask for compensation just like EU requires UK for Brexit “divorce bill”! So, if Singapore agrees to adjust the water price, Singapore should also pay “Divorce Bill” too, right?
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Lim Chye Hock Phillip
Yeok Fong Yong He will hide this half of the story to his gullible ignorant people and they believe him whole sale the 3 sen story and he also know full well the rain water fall from the sky FOC. So the 3 sen is money for nothing.
On top of this he is also "profiteering" from the Johoreans by selling them treated water from Singapore. And by 2061 the 3 Billons RM will be much more than today's price. Too bad he won't be around to see it. What he blabbers and does is not only Morally Wrong but EVIL.
On top of this he is also "profiteering" from the Johoreans by selling them treated water from Singapore. And by 2061 the 3 Billons RM will be much more than today's price. Too bad he won't be around to see it. What he blabbers and does is not only Morally Wrong but EVIL.
Kianpheng Ong
what is interesting Malaysian believe dr m able to change country for a better tomorrow. what i call vote by emotions vs intelligent.
用李
The old man just want more $$$ frm Singaporeans & it Johoreans.
It had attack his johoreans on water issue.
It ku ku pet (dun kn frm where) try to disrupt Singaporeans & it GOV by commanding Singaporeans with his boss fake truth... This pet had crossed a serious red line in attacking Singapore peace by spreading distorted facts to sour politically relationship between the citizens with their GOV!
Luckily it is just a Ku Ku figure.
It had attack his johoreans on water issue.
It ku ku pet (dun kn frm where) try to disrupt Singaporeans & it GOV by commanding Singaporeans with his boss fake truth... This pet had crossed a serious red line in attacking Singapore peace by spreading distorted facts to sour politically relationship between the citizens with their GOV!
Luckily it is just a Ku Ku figure.
Kianpheng Ong
dr m is wasting tax payers money and man power from both sides. malaysia is bleeding financially daily having need to pay compensation to Singapore and China.
Raymond Goh
We are waiting for this Old Dog to pay cost on water arbitration issue cos most people who understand English will know that the agreement is in Singapore's right more so in our favour. The Old Dog is going to waste malaysia tax payer money with us on arbitration. Most of his ministers have fake degree and that leds to them unable to comprehend simple text in the agreement.
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Georgie Tan
Why this fool did not tell V that we should go to court to settle water issue. Talk big to his people only. But for this talk will continue for years to come and will end by 2061. We also do not know how Anwar work and think of SG. He is quietly hearing and seeing all this issue. Currently he hears, see and talk no evil.
Niko Nishi
The truth is Mahathir also doesn't know how much he want for 1000gallon of untreated water. He just wants to muddy the water. He asked for 45 sen per thousand gallons in August 2000, to 60 sen in February 2001, to RM6.25 in September 2002. Now he is asking for 1000% increase which is a mere 30 sen at an exchange rate of MYR3 to SGD1.
Kwai Meng Tang
Dr M must have figured out another way to resolve their financial burden after the 1MDB saga, at RM 3 or may be RM 5 a litre that he can squeeze out from Singapore in the water issue would go a long way to lighten that financial burden that Malaysia is currently carrying. 1 trillion RM burden as per his FM earlier report. Just a thought take this thought with a pinch of salt. But anything about Dr M one will never know.
Kwai Meng Tang
Correction should be RM 3 or RM 5 per 1000 gallon. If at RM 3 per thousand gallon Singapore has to pay Malaysia 250,000 (per thousand) X RM 3 = RM 750,000 per day taking for granted Singapore draw up to 250 millions gallon each day as per agreement. Hope my maths is correct. If every month we draw the water to the maximum that will be RM 750,000 X 30 days = RM 22.5 millions a month. See how the figure making sense to Malaysia to take up the water agreement.
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Kwai Meng Tang
So now we know where all those rhetorics are coming from when Dr M lamenting how rich Singapore is and where can one get water so cheap at 3sen per 1000 gallon. Smart move Dr M but I am sure we also have smart people from Singapore
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Kwai Meng Tang
Do you know with that kind of money we are supposed to pay Malaysia if they get their way how many NewWater and desalination plants Singapore can build to ensure our water security.
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Georgie Tan
This trouble maker do not understand English that is why Saifuddin ask what type of English our FM used? Maybe if we used JUNGLE or ANIMAL english he will understand better. Like dog bark cat meow etc.
Pigmoon K
Wheres there to even discuss. The bloody treaty was signed in 1962!!
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Sebastian Png
Mahartir had been destructive instead of constructive since he is in power today, maybe he trying to make a name for himself but i doubt so his reputation is gone,he make a bad name for himself
Georgie Lee
VB - you are wasting your precious time with this 93 year old snake, his baruahs and bodohs.
Just tell them lets settle in court. You have to be brave with them.
Just tell them lets settle in court. You have to be brave with them.
Gamat Emas Permatang Pauh
Musnahkan saja pipeline pergi ke singapore. Natural disaster.
Kwai Meng Tang
Singapore should build hugh water retention tanks underground at various strategic location around the island. Divert all drains to those underground tanks to collect and store rain water.
Kwai Meng Tang
We should have a master plan work out on how to collect and retain rain water through out the island to ensure we collect every drop of rain water.
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Kwai Meng Tang
One such example of a hugh underground water tank collecting rain water is built in the city of Tokyo, Japan
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Shooter Shoot
Singapore should not give way, even it is going to I.A Court. Just fight it out there, even we lost, we must show the OLD MAN 93 we are not hello kitty. !!
If Malaysia is Tiger, Singapore is Lion !!
If Malaysia is Tiger, Singapore is Lion !!
Gesus Low
WOW! Finally something positive has develop, "NOTHING".
Talk is cheap so let's talk Dr.M to death! Will not be very long before he "Kicks the bucket."
Typical Malaysia style,they like to talk, probably should join "NATO." No action talk only!
Nothing constructive that can help them recover their losses in 1MDB case. This is what we call "KAMPONG SPIRIT."
Just talk all day long and wait for money to drop from the sky,this is morality! "SELAMAT TUNGGU!"
Talk is cheap so let's talk Dr.M to death! Will not be very long before he "Kicks the bucket."
Typical Malaysia style,they like to talk, probably should join "NATO." No action talk only!
Nothing constructive that can help them recover their losses in 1MDB case. This is what we call "KAMPONG SPIRIT."
Just talk all day long and wait for money to drop from the sky,this is morality! "SELAMAT TUNGGU!"
Yi Yong Ke
Becareful... sabotage can happen like the case of the methane poisoning in pasir gudang river, sungei kim kim.
Danial Fernando
Malaysia lost its right to review the water agreement with Singapore after Mahathir as PM-4 forget to review in 1987 (the only chance) hence the price will be the same till 2061. Singapore made many investment decisions in Johor base on the same water price and Malaysia benefitted from Singapore selling subsidized treated water too. But now Mahathir want to make noise just for political purposes is NOT right and ethical. Singapore will have a much bilateral ties with Malaysia if it was Najib Razak's BN administration which has initiated RTS, High speed rail to KL and even one checkpoint clearance for both countries. But now all is gone thanks to Mahathir and DAP trying to bully Singapore hence their country economy is going bad to worse.
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