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Ricky Lim
On Tuesday, Mr Saifuddin accused Dr Balakrishnan of making reckless remarks.
He said: “We are honouring the agreement, which is why we say we can review 25 years after the agreement is signed”.
“Clause 14 of the agreement says that the (agreement) shall be subject to review after the expiry of 25 years from the date it is signed, and not at 25 years.
"So I don't understand what English is used by the Singaporean Foreign Minister to interpret it in such a manner," he said.
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Can the water prices in the Agreement be revised?
Both Singapore and Malaysia must comply fully with all the provisions of the 1962 Water Agreement, including the price of water stipulated in it.
Neither Singapore nor Malaysia can unilaterally change the terms of this solemn agreement.
The 1962 Water Agreement provided for a price review after 25 years. Specifically, there was a right to review the price jointly in 1987. Malaysia, however, did not exercise this right in 1987. Since the right to review has lapsed, neither Singapore nor Malaysia can unilaterally change the price of water sold to Singapore.
In the event Malaysia chose not to review the water price in 1987, and on that basis, Singapore then took several actions which also benefitted Malaysia. This included building the Linggiu Dam at the cost of over S$300 million, which has increased the yield of the Johor River.
The terms of the 1962 Water Agreement were most recently reaffirmed between our two countries in January 2018 at the 8th Singapore-Malaysia Leaders’ Retreat.
He said: “We are honouring the agreement, which is why we say we can review 25 years after the agreement is signed”.
“Clause 14 of the agreement says that the (agreement) shall be subject to review after the expiry of 25 years from the date it is signed, and not at 25 years.
"So I don't understand what English is used by the Singaporean Foreign Minister to interpret it in such a manner," he said.
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Can the water prices in the Agreement be revised?
Both Singapore and Malaysia must comply fully with all the provisions of the 1962 Water Agreement, including the price of water stipulated in it.
Neither Singapore nor Malaysia can unilaterally change the terms of this solemn agreement.
The 1962 Water Agreement provided for a price review after 25 years. Specifically, there was a right to review the price jointly in 1987. Malaysia, however, did not exercise this right in 1987. Since the right to review has lapsed, neither Singapore nor Malaysia can unilaterally change the price of water sold to Singapore.
In the event Malaysia chose not to review the water price in 1987, and on that basis, Singapore then took several actions which also benefitted Malaysia. This included building the Linggiu Dam at the cost of over S$300 million, which has increased the yield of the Johor River.
The terms of the 1962 Water Agreement were most recently reaffirmed between our two countries in January 2018 at the 8th Singapore-Malaysia Leaders’ Retreat.
Ricky Lim
Malaysia will seek international arbitration if Singapore does not renegotiate the 1962 Water Agreement, said Foreign Minister Saifuddin Abdullah on Tuesday (Mar 12).
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If Malaysia feel that they can win in the international arbitration --- then they should go ahead and do it.
Stop wasting Singapore's time and everybody's time.
Feel that Singapore side should stop negotiating the water agreement with them.
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If Malaysia feel that they can win in the international arbitration --- then they should go ahead and do it.
Stop wasting Singapore's time and everybody's time.
Feel that Singapore side should stop negotiating the water agreement with them.
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Luigi Liew
Ricky Lim
Yes, Ricky. No need to negotiate. An agreement is an agreement. Not that there is a new one so negotiation is part of the process.
Go to international court.
Yes, Ricky. No need to negotiate. An agreement is an agreement. Not that there is a new one so negotiation is part of the process.
Go to international court.
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Ricky Lim
Luigi Liew - We have a very strong legal case - as per the agreement, subsequent actions to reinforce the agreement plus in Jan 2018 reaffirmation of the terms and conditions on the Water Agreement in the Leader's retreat.
We stand a very strong chance if the Water dispute is bring into the International Court.
We stand a very strong chance if the Water dispute is bring into the International Court.
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Ricky Lim
Joint statement at the 8th Singapore-Malaysia Leaders' Retreat, Jan 2018.
Both countries also affirmed the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, under which Singapore is given the full and exclusive right to draw up to a maximum of 250 million gallons of water per day from the Johore River.
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The above recent statement is a signed reaffirmation of all Singapore Rights in the 1962 Water Agreement.
Thus we indeed have a strong legal case against Mahathir and his gang on this water dispute.
Both countries also affirmed the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, under which Singapore is given the full and exclusive right to draw up to a maximum of 250 million gallons of water per day from the Johore River.
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The above recent statement is a signed reaffirmation of all Singapore Rights in the 1962 Water Agreement.
Thus we indeed have a strong legal case against Mahathir and his gang on this water dispute.
Kelvyn Chin
"..... it first needs to ensure that Johor state has ample water supply. "We need to work on zero dependency on water from Singapore,” he stated.
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So in other words - Johor is dependent on water from Singapore now. Thanks for clarifying that.
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So in other words - Johor is dependent on water from Singapore now. Thanks for clarifying that.
陈金宝
SG must not underestimate their resolve. It is easier and takes much shorter time for Johor and their federal gov to establish their own water treatment plants. In contrast, SG gov goal of being self sufficient in water is gonna take 40 looooong years, yes latest by year 2060. Taking 40 years is suicidal. SG gov must wake up now, release purse strings and draw down part of the financial reserves to fund the set up of more desalination water plants in SG, hopefully to be completed in a much shorter period of time as compared to 40 years
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Ricky Lim
陈金宝 - Are you Singaporean? You sounds more like a Malaysian.
Singapore has :-
(1) 5 Newater plants - each produce 50 mgd a day = 250 mgd
(2) 5 Desalination plants - 1 produce 70 mgd a day, 4 produce 30 mgd a day = 190 mgd
In total, Singapore required = 430 mgd a day.
Our 5 Newater plants and 5 Desalination plants can produce = 440 mgd a day - more than exceed our requirements of 430 mgd a day.
We have an additional 17 reservoirs that collect rainwater are all at full capacity (top-up by Newater) are unused as reserve.
Do you think we scared of Johor cutting water tommorrow?
Singapore has :-
(1) 5 Newater plants - each produce 50 mgd a day = 250 mgd
(2) 5 Desalination plants - 1 produce 70 mgd a day, 4 produce 30 mgd a day = 190 mgd
In total, Singapore required = 430 mgd a day.
Our 5 Newater plants and 5 Desalination plants can produce = 440 mgd a day - more than exceed our requirements of 430 mgd a day.
We have an additional 17 reservoirs that collect rainwater are all at full capacity (top-up by Newater) are unused as reserve.
Do you think we scared of Johor cutting water tommorrow?
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Ricky Lim
陈金宝 - Most Malaysia resevoirs which previously capacity at 80% level --- are now hovering around 27% to 21%.
Now you see Malaysia will be facing persistent drought year in, year out --- and in future when Johor don't want to buy treated water from Singapore ---- will Johor be able to survive when the drought sets in?
Now you can talk big about "Taking 40 years is suicidal. SG gov must wake up now,".
I think you have not wake up.
Your Mahathir has not wake up.
And in fact, your Malaysia government has not wake up.
Now you see Malaysia will be facing persistent drought year in, year out --- and in future when Johor don't want to buy treated water from Singapore ---- will Johor be able to survive when the drought sets in?
Now you can talk big about "Taking 40 years is suicidal. SG gov must wake up now,".
I think you have not wake up.
Your Mahathir has not wake up.
And in fact, your Malaysia government has not wake up.
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Uuthyam Dass
陈金宝 40 long years..we need only 4 more water treatment plant which if needed can build in 1 year
Kelvyn Chin
陈金宝 Johor can build up water treatment capability faster than Singapore? Are you sure? Maybe you are writing that from a time warp forty years ago, so in a sense you are right, it will take singapore 40 years to build up water sufficiency - forty years ago. See, singapore likes to plan ahead, four decades ahead, in fact.
So I suggest Msia first try to solve the chemical dumping of your river that has poisoned 200 kids and teachers in johor. Or didn't you read the news recently?
So I suggest Msia first try to solve the chemical dumping of your river that has poisoned 200 kids and teachers in johor. Or didn't you read the news recently?
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Lee Swee Hong
陈金宝 I wanna scold him 陈金宝 a Malaysian but claim he is Singaporean
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Augustine Teo
Ricky Lim
Bro . I am happy to hear this from you.
Sure ? We have more than enough of water as of today ? Then tell the snake he can turn river into fishing spot .
Bro . I am happy to hear this from you.
Sure ? We have more than enough of water as of today ? Then tell the snake he can turn river into fishing spot .
Ricky Lim
Augustine Teo - In year 2020, 2 last new desalination plants with 30 mgd per day each will be ready (which is next year).
We already have 5 Newater plants and 3 Desalination plants currently operating.
But we already have 17 reservoirs as reserve.
So we have no problem for our current water needs.
But if we have to double our water needs into the next 30 years, then we probably have to build more Desalination plants.
But we are already currently building DTSS (Deep Tunnel Sewage System) - that can double our Newater system - and can achieve 400 mgd per day - Phase 1 to be completed by 2025.
So for Singapore water needs --- Singapore is not afraid of what Mahathir want to do to us on our water needs.
We hope Mahathir will bring it to the International Court - then we will settle the water dispute once and for all using legal means.
Remember, our Water Agreement is also tie in to the Separation Agreement - and cannot be anyhow altered.
International Court will be the best place to settle everything once and for all.
We will wait and see.
We already have 5 Newater plants and 3 Desalination plants currently operating.
But we already have 17 reservoirs as reserve.
So we have no problem for our current water needs.
But if we have to double our water needs into the next 30 years, then we probably have to build more Desalination plants.
But we are already currently building DTSS (Deep Tunnel Sewage System) - that can double our Newater system - and can achieve 400 mgd per day - Phase 1 to be completed by 2025.
So for Singapore water needs --- Singapore is not afraid of what Mahathir want to do to us on our water needs.
We hope Mahathir will bring it to the International Court - then we will settle the water dispute once and for all using legal means.
Remember, our Water Agreement is also tie in to the Separation Agreement - and cannot be anyhow altered.
International Court will be the best place to settle everything once and for all.
We will wait and see.
Kwai Meng Tang
Hey bring it to international arbitration once for all settle the issue. If Malaysia is so confident of winning then do it instead of posturing. Whatever decision both country can get it out of the way forever instead of quarrelling like children every other year.
Vincent Tan
Someone might want to advise Malaysia that there isn't any other water buyer out there. Malaysia stands to lose $$$. Water can be extracted from air in humid Singapore and from sea in island Singapore.
Kwai Meng Tang
What is the point this issue comes out for posturing between the two country every other year. Get a verdict in the international arbitration court the going forward Singapore must find its own water source and not depend on Malaysia and Malaysia take care of it own water treatment and clean water supply. Until then the politicians on both sides can then talk about being good neighbors and make it believeable.
陈金宝
i am a singaporean. Johor's economy or state-level finances will not be much impacted if SG don buy water from them. But if SG fails to replace Johor's water supply with alternative sources, SG econcomy will flounder simply because many investors will put out and move elsewhere. So Msia is not desperate at all about selling water to SG. They do not need to find other buyers too
Kwai Meng Tang
陈金宝 then tell your government to stop selling water to Singapore. And we can move forward once and for all. What the f### all those threatening for? Tell your government bring to the international arbitration court and argue it out get a favorable verdict for Malaysia and make Singapore pay whatever the verdict dictate. Don't threaten like a bitch.
Kwai Meng Tang
No matter what the politicians from both sides telling us Singapore and Malaysia will never be "good" neighbors not in the past definitely not present and never will be in future. Call it fate destiny or whatever.
陈金宝
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Yes, they are forever jealous of SG's achievements. Obviously when they ejected us from Malaysia federation in the 60s, they were trying to teach SG a lesson and thinking that we will flounder since we are so small with no natural resources. But we did the reverse and surpass expections :)
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Unker Will
Is this not is what Singapore has been advocating all along? Any issues that cannot be settled amiably then get to settle in an international arbitrary court. Why the need to try and squeeze in this water agreement issue whenever there is an opportunity and why took them so long to decide to do that if they think they do have a valid case.
Lawrence Seow
Let me tell you in no uncertain terms that Malaysians and Singaporeans will always look at this issue differently. I spoke with Malaysian Chinese friends and they support Malaysia. This is like 2 soccer teams, say Arsenal vs Chelsea. When the ball goes out of touch, both sides claim it is theirs. No Chelsea player will say give it to Arsenal and vise versa. The real issue here is whether the terms of agreement can be re-negotiated or not.
Kwai Meng Tang
Forget about wanting to be good neighbors the politicians on both sides just wanted us to believe them. Singapore and Malaysia will never be good friendly or whatever neighbors the politicians will never make it to be good friendly or otherwise. It started since the day Singapore was thrown out of Malaysia.
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Niko Nishi
If Singapore agrees to the international arbitration, it will not be to renegotiate the water deal. It will be to intrepret the water agreement.
Raymond Goh
This foriegn minister wants to challenge our minister in English? He may not even have a degree , a fake one and same to the rest.
Kwai Meng Tang
If the people of Malaysia and the people of Singapore were liked enemies it is not because we are natural enemies but because the politicians of both sides turned us into enemies.
Raymond Goh
The Old Dog has forgotten that there are 400,000 or more Malaysians coming to work in Singapore daily. All the PH politicians are just rubbish people that possess bird brains. If any occurances goes beyond the normal, no entry for malaysians to work in Singapore will be a repercussion to their political standing. It's great and smart that PAS and Umno are now joining hands together to ultimate their aim and get the PH out of governance..
Frankie Chye
I really pity Malaysian. The land is very big. But the politician brain is situated at their ass.
Muhammad Fadris Prakash
Yup especially their new appointed hagged 90+ PM. Already too old 2 be in politics bt still wana b a hero n saviour to the country. PM, time for u to njoy the last few moments around wif ur wife rather than blabbering n utter nonsense. Ur queue no is not far behind
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Alan Tyc
Hope the MPs are clear what they are dealing now. Remember, anyone can pick up a quarrel, doesn't matter if you are nice or not. There can be 101 issues but so what; we have grown up in this environment, water supply has to be self-sustainable. Either SG increases the water supply or reduce the demand; look at the foreign workers, which area can replace with automation and reduce them ASAP. We are not getting anywhere with the water issue.
Bawihtei Bawihtei
What's there to arbitrate? This is purely a contractual relationship, which no one can interfere with.. if either party seeks to change or repudiate the contract, they have to apply to a court to do so, n not seek a arbiter, which does not HV binding powers to compel the parties to the contract to act..
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Georgie Tan
Why cannot SG only supply water to Malaysia under the agreed term? Meaning no extra water to be given at 50 sen. SG always say they want to be good but this is not what Malaysia want. So SG Govt, tell use what is going on. Time to show the agreement in BLACK AND WHITE.
Joseph Lau
Is that a threat to seek international arbitration? Long overdue! Do it before M is no more in government. Do not twist and turn.
Qian Lin
Obviously this new statesman, that is if he even deserves to be called a statesman, does not understand what an international agreement is. It can be renegotiated only if both parties in the agreement agree to it. Foolish to think that international arbitration can resolve that.
Jalil Sujari
Interesting indeed everyone wants to be a lawyer, can't wait for the saga to enfold further hope water tax is not increase more than it should
Joe Joe Bing
Lets go to court. Lets see how they argue their case. LOL. That would be a fun theatre to watch how they self-destruct.
Which part of "signed agreement" do they not understand?
Which part of "signed agreement" do they not understand?
Eric Koo
Political diversion. Politician(s) trying hard to show to his(their) Malaysia citizens that he(they are) is doing his(their) duty. Just like any office politics face by u and me.
If they want to bring it to IA, and as big as they think they are. I say just do it, and have them face the repurcurssion of Pedra Branch case (once more).
If they want to bring it to IA, and as big as they think they are. I say just do it, and have them face the repurcurssion of Pedra Branch case (once more).
Joe Joe Bing
For 2 neighbours to be living next to each other, the "poor" one looks jealously at the "rich" guy and start to plot how to get money from him. Instead of making their own business and economy better, they always choose the easy way out and try to get "free money" from their rich neighbour. History repeats again and again.
Singapore is sway (unlucky) to have such a neighbour but also very heng (lucky) that this "brother" is rubbish at governance and making business for their own people. If their government were 50% as "smart" as Singapore, with their huge land and resources, they would have overtaken Singapore easily in 1990s. Did they? No. Why?
Singapore is sway (unlucky) to have such a neighbour but also very heng (lucky) that this "brother" is rubbish at governance and making business for their own people. If their government were 50% as "smart" as Singapore, with their huge land and resources, they would have overtaken Singapore easily in 1990s. Did they? No. Why?
Peter Thomas
You Malaysia Minister got not brain.Just want to carry Mathathir's balls.The Sultan of Johor has more brain than the Mamak Mathathir,better go sell roti prata.Bodoh.
David Chua
They are Asian sick man and needs to see specialist doctor to cure their mindset. Always going backward instead of moving forward. What is past is history and should move forward. What type of politicians you call yourself
Harbans Khakh
Why are these jokers being so stupid? You go for arbitration if you have a dispute and BOTH parties agree to go for arbitration through third party they mutually agree upon.
The agreement that is current between both parties has not yet expired. So where is the dispute? If you want to abrogate the agreement you must do so according to the process laid down in the agreement. Otherwise you are under legal obligation to fulfill the terms of the agreement.
The agreement that is current between both parties has not yet expired. So where is the dispute? If you want to abrogate the agreement you must do so according to the process laid down in the agreement. Otherwise you are under legal obligation to fulfill the terms of the agreement.
Tony Mok
First both countries must agree to have internation arbitration and agree to abide to by the ruling. It take years to reach an agreement. By the time Tun M would have finished his term as Pm7 or may have expired.
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Wei Chye Kwan
Raw water is a commodity only if there's a buyer else it is as good as worthless , not even 3 Sen per thousand gallons . Dr Mati thinks he can ask Singaporean to pay more and earn $$$ . I would rather drink my own pee water which we call Newater than to buy it from you . We are no longer in 1980s where desalination technology cost 20 times more than water treated from raw water . It shows how out of touch Dr Mati is. His idea and his style of governance still stagnant in 1980s when he first became PM. I laughed when Dr Mati proposed to build another national car .If his idea is working, he doesn't need another Proton after more than 30 years when he first build it
We , Singaporeans , all stand tall and will not bow to your bullying tactics even though as Dr Mati described, we are only a small red dot
We , Singaporeans , all stand tall and will not bow to your bullying tactics even though as Dr Mati described, we are only a small red dot
Jay Ng
The river is in Johor state right? Johor Sultan owns all the lands in Johor state right? Did Johor Sultan utter a word about the 3sen raw water sold to Singapore? The treated water that Singapore supplied to Johor is for Johor citizens right? If Johor people and Sultan didn't make any noise about this so called "unfair" agreement, then why Putrajaya need to be so kpo to make noise "on behalf" of Johor state? According to a statement made by The Prince of Johor in June 2015, Johor can choose to depart from Federation of Malaysia and become independent should the Federal Government interferes with the State Governance. At this point, I believe majority of Singaporean and Johor citizens are looking forward to Johor's independence day. To date, this option appears to be the only way Johor can avoid being the victim of Malaysia's collapse under the so called " new Government " led by the ex-BN PM.
Sharil Bin Saharudin
Actually, KL role is to guarantee that Johore supply water at 3 sen/kilo mgd. They then want to bypass the Sultan and take over management of Johore water and sell raw water at higher price, thereby contradicting the agreements. Without apparent support from sultan, KL then tried to cocok the peoples of Johore and Singapore, claiming the agreements are obsolete and pricing raw water at 3 sen/kilo mgd is unfair for the seller and immoral for the buyer.
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Seng Fook Wong
Some monkey brains living over the causeway say..when their peoples aloud to work in Singapore , earned a lot of S$ back to their country.. they blamed us for taking away their talent.. And i can't turn my brain to understand them at all..
Yee Adeline
Just have this feeling that M is just settling his personal own agenda, his own personal scores with Singapore, something he could not get the upper hand during lky time. And now at it again? He is also trying to.wrangle $$ in whatever way he could, sparking water issues is one of them.
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Sharil Bin Saharudin
Msian minister claim they APPARENTLY, gave us subsidies of up to RM2.4 billion (US$587 million) in selling raw water to Singapore since the 1960s. This translated to RM42 million a year or about RM100,000 a day in subsidies.
Very interesting argument this becoz this raw water is direct FOC subsidy from god to msia. And then, WE PAID millions, if not billions, treating the water, OURSELVES. Not to mention the pipes, dams, catchment areas, treatment plants that have and will be passed on to Johore (AGAIN, FOC). And selling back - no, WE SUBSIDISED, their treated water at 50sen/kilo mgd. And finally, supplying them treated water above and beyond in excess of what is stipulated in the agreements - AT NO EXTRA CHARGE SOME MORE.
And so I look forward to arbitration. Becos I want to see the msian minister make a fool of himself in front of an international audience when he provide his details and computations showing how the subsidies came from them, not US. Lol.
Very interesting argument this becoz this raw water is direct FOC subsidy from god to msia. And then, WE PAID millions, if not billions, treating the water, OURSELVES. Not to mention the pipes, dams, catchment areas, treatment plants that have and will be passed on to Johore (AGAIN, FOC). And selling back - no, WE SUBSIDISED, their treated water at 50sen/kilo mgd. And finally, supplying them treated water above and beyond in excess of what is stipulated in the agreements - AT NO EXTRA CHARGE SOME MORE.
And so I look forward to arbitration. Becos I want to see the msian minister make a fool of himself in front of an international audience when he provide his details and computations showing how the subsidies came from them, not US. Lol.
Tony Mok
Singapore water treatment plant in Linggiu Dam have the economy of scale and the technology. It treated water at $RM 2.40 PER 1000 GALLON.
However, I doubt that JOHOR can match the price of water to the same QUALITY and COST of Singapore at RM2.40.
But Singapore is selling them treated water at RM 0.50 PER 1000 gallons.
Only if JOHOR can treat water below RM 50CENTS. Then it make sense NOT to buy from Singapore. It not, there are an idiot not to buy from Singapore.
As they have to come out RM 200 MILLION EXTRA TO TREAT THEIR OWN WATER ASSUMING THEY ARE AS EFFICIENCY AS SINGAPORE. At the current rate they are receiveing RM 144MILLION PER YEAR FOR NETT PROFIT FOR DOING NOTHING.
However, I doubt that JOHOR can match the price of water to the same QUALITY and COST of Singapore at RM2.40.
But Singapore is selling them treated water at RM 0.50 PER 1000 gallons.
Only if JOHOR can treat water below RM 50CENTS. Then it make sense NOT to buy from Singapore. It not, there are an idiot not to buy from Singapore.
As they have to come out RM 200 MILLION EXTRA TO TREAT THEIR OWN WATER ASSUMING THEY ARE AS EFFICIENCY AS SINGAPORE. At the current rate they are receiveing RM 144MILLION PER YEAR FOR NETT PROFIT FOR DOING NOTHING.
Kelvin Ong
Its time to get tough and stay steadfast as a nation against the continuous nonsensible request by the current fragile and politically instable Malaysian's govt, in attempting to repudiate and disregard an Internationally recognisable water deal contract executed and witnessed in 1962, by intimidating the other contractual party to give in to whatever demand its seem fit at its advantage. Because the current water deal concerns the survival of the entire nation. Our govt may even need to consider sending in our military troops to secure the reservoir and water supply pipe lines just as what our formal PM intended to do in the past when the similar bi-lateral water crisis surfaced by none other the same "old" snaky leader of our neighbor.
Gintobi Ju
Before Mahathir rule again, never heard any of this water nonsense. Both countries were okay with it. Great ties. Everything so peaceful. This shows what kind of leader is their new PM.
Felicia Chen
Must thank Ms Vivian for "red herring" undiplomatic ranting!
International tribunal will be neutral third party arbitration for "sticky" leeconyou 1962 Water Agreement!!!
International tribunal will be neutral third party arbitration for "sticky" leeconyou 1962 Water Agreement!!!
Jewel Superior
We should move large majority of all levels of our economy away from them. Will we be able to do that? They have been very ungrateful and no matter how we tried over the many long years to be fair and nice to them, they backstab us repeatedly and tried arduously to exterminate us. I'm not even making a exaggerating statement here and it's such a true fact if one recalls the past.
Perhaps the traitors and greedy men will still exploit whatever they can to their benefits, but I say to amost Singaporean and businessmen, let's all stop and or reduce our trade reliance on them and let's also stop visiting them. It's always wise never to put all eggs into a single basket especially when you already know it's an unreliable one.
And for those Singaporean that trampled your own and acknowledge the other, you disgust me!
Perhaps the traitors and greedy men will still exploit whatever they can to their benefits, but I say to amost Singaporean and businessmen, let's all stop and or reduce our trade reliance on them and let's also stop visiting them. It's always wise never to put all eggs into a single basket especially when you already know it's an unreliable one.
And for those Singaporean that trampled your own and acknowledge the other, you disgust me!
Georgie Tan
Why always say go to IA but no action? Mad dog say SG Govt did not agree to go, so who is right or wrong. Time for action now and not talk with no action.
Georgie Tan
Malaysia say RM100,000 a day in subsidies for water to SG. So SG sell treated water at 50 sen mean full profit + RM100,000 + extra water sold to JB. No wonder SG so VERY RICH. What has SG Govt got to say. Do not keep quiet because Malaysia never say SG subsidies water sold to them although Singaporean know that is not true.
Tony Nat
In the 1962 Water Agreement, Section 14 allows for the price to be revised (a) after the expiry of 25 years’ time and (b) IN LINE WITH THE RISE OR FALL IN THE PURCHASING POWER OF MONEY, cost of labour, and power and materials for the purpose of supplying the water. Section 17 (iii) allows for any dispute or differences to be referred to arbitration.
- In other words, Malaysia is not entitled to a revision of more than 20 sen per 1,000 gallon for raw water in 2019. That's because the only factor is the change in the purchasing power of Malaysian ringgit ( Singapore bears the raw water supply costs). In 2019, the purchasing power of the Malaysian ringgit has fallen to about one-sixth of what it was in 1962. Thus 3 sen x 6 is all Malaysia is entitled to ask for.
- On the other hand Singapore can ask Malaysia to pay at least RM3 per 1000 gallons for treated water based on both the fall in the purchasing power of the Malaysian Ringgit as well as the rise in water supply and treatment costs. 50 sen x 6 + increase in water supply costs.
- Malaysia, Singapore and their media conveniently omit to publicize in full the original contents of the 1962 water agreement.
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Singapore does not need to cave in to Malaysian demands above 20 sen for 1,000 gallons per day. Singapore is already sufficient in water should Malaysia attempt to cut off water supply. The PUB claims that Singapore's water demand is currently about 430 million gallons a day (mgd). Singapore's own domestic water supply capacity is currently at least 450 mgd (probably more): (a) 150 - 180 mgd from Singapore's 19 reservoirs; (b) 170 mgd from NEWater; and (c) 130 mgd from 3 desalinization plants.
- In other words, Malaysia is not entitled to a revision of more than 20 sen per 1,000 gallon for raw water in 2019. That's because the only factor is the change in the purchasing power of Malaysian ringgit ( Singapore bears the raw water supply costs). In 2019, the purchasing power of the Malaysian ringgit has fallen to about one-sixth of what it was in 1962. Thus 3 sen x 6 is all Malaysia is entitled to ask for.
- On the other hand Singapore can ask Malaysia to pay at least RM3 per 1000 gallons for treated water based on both the fall in the purchasing power of the Malaysian Ringgit as well as the rise in water supply and treatment costs. 50 sen x 6 + increase in water supply costs.
- Malaysia, Singapore and their media conveniently omit to publicize in full the original contents of the 1962 water agreement.
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Singapore does not need to cave in to Malaysian demands above 20 sen for 1,000 gallons per day. Singapore is already sufficient in water should Malaysia attempt to cut off water supply. The PUB claims that Singapore's water demand is currently about 430 million gallons a day (mgd). Singapore's own domestic water supply capacity is currently at least 450 mgd (probably more): (a) 150 - 180 mgd from Singapore's 19 reservoirs; (b) 170 mgd from NEWater; and (c) 130 mgd from 3 desalinization plants.
Lee Tan
If your malaysia government is good, then why all these problems you guys are facing? 60 yrs...see where are you guys now? Please lah...go look in the mirror before pointing finger at others. For once, be man enough to say your government sucks...your politicians sucks and worse of all your PM sucks!
Forbes Campbell Mark
There must be a reason why this deal was signed years back. Now, just because Singapore is doing much better than Malaysia, our neighbour country starts to create nonsense. should they have perform better than us, do anyone think that they will offer us water free of charge ?
A wake up call for all Singaporeans. Stop expending your funds in this nonsense country . The more you spend, the louder will be their voice .It's time to shut their mouth up!
A wake up call for all Singaporeans. Stop expending your funds in this nonsense country . The more you spend, the louder will be their voice .It's time to shut their mouth up!
Christopher Bong
I would really like to know the Malaysian subsidies amounting to RM42 million annually for selling raw water to Singapore? Yes, let’s resolve this in the international court and stop bitching about it every now and then.
Shooter Shoot
Singapore should stand firm & fight even the result is bad. Must show Malaysia & this Old Man 93 we are not afraid of our Big Northern neighbour. If Singapore going to give way to Malaysia Govt. ....What is the next issue ?? Never End !
Just Fight till the End, Singapore !!!
Just Fight till the End, Singapore !!!
Yeok Fong Yong
Malaysia said Singapore is "Morally Wrong" to insist on 3 sen of water. Let's see who is "Morally Wrong":
What is "Morally Wrong": Malaysia sells the water to Malaysia consumers = RM$3.60 sen (per 1000 gallons) but buy from Singapore at RM$0.50 sen (per 1000 gallons). You ripped off Johoreans RM3.10 per thousand gallons!
What is "Morally Wrong": You complaint that RM 3 cents per thousand gallon is too cheap now, yet in 1987 when you can review the price, you choose not to because you know the TREATED water you get from Singapore then was "DIRT" cheap, YET you never complained to Johoreans …See More
What is "Morally Wrong": Malaysia sells the water to Malaysia consumers = RM$3.60 sen (per 1000 gallons) but buy from Singapore at RM$0.50 sen (per 1000 gallons). You ripped off Johoreans RM3.10 per thousand gallons!
What is "Morally Wrong": You complaint that RM 3 cents per thousand gallon is too cheap now, yet in 1987 when you can review the price, you choose not to because you know the TREATED water you get from Singapore then was "DIRT" cheap, YET you never complained to Johoreans …See More
Niko Nishi
It was reported that Malaysia seeks to increase the price of water sold to Singapore by 1000%, and that is MYR0.30 per 1000 gallons. Singapore can also increase the price of the 16M gallons of treated water back to Malaysia at cost. With this, Malaysia will gain a mere S$4M a year if Singapore agrees to it. Mahathir is sweating the small stuff and being penny wise, pound follish.
Yeok Fong Yong
Foreign Minister Saifuddin Abdullah said: “We are honouring the agreement, which is why we say we can review 25 years after the agreement is signed”. Unquote. However, he FAILED to disclose that in 1987 (25 years after the agreement) Your Mahathir 1.0 was asked whether to REVIEW the water price. He [Mathathir] found that it is more beneficial for Malaysia to draw treated water at RM50 CENTS because reviewing the price will also mean upping the treated water. Hence, the question is not whether Malaysia can or cannot asked for reviewing the water rate BUT whether Malaysia can asks as many times as they like to review the water rate after the review done in 1987! REMEMBER this agreement requires both government to agree on the review, while the FIRST review After 25 years of the agreement was automatically kick-in so both country need to review it {anytime after 25 years, whether either country likes it or not} BUT Malaysia has choosen to remain the water rate as it is in 1987. In another word, after 25 years, it was “MANDATORY” the both country must review the price, BUT once the Review was conducted and settled, any further review will be based on both country agreement. Malaysia has choosen to continue the ‘OLD PRICE’ when Singapore asked them to review it in 1987. Hence, now Malaysia wants to do a review will need Singapore to agree. I hope Mr Saifuddin Abdullah understands my poor English! ! Mathathier如意算盘打的很响 in 1987! hahaaaa
Pher Kim Huat
S'pore need to be firm and stick to the 1962 Agreement.
Just a word of caution here as we are fully aware that the vintage Old M is rather cunning, hence he may be using his usual "dirty strategy against S'pore", together with his "echo sounders" to agitate us to see if we may become furious and fall into his "dirty trap" to be lured into "Renegotiation" ?
This dirty vintage Old M is never a simple man even in his "borrowed time" at 93++ years old. Please RIP soonest !
Just a word of caution here as we are fully aware that the vintage Old M is rather cunning, hence he may be using his usual "dirty strategy against S'pore", together with his "echo sounders" to agitate us to see if we may become furious and fall into his "dirty trap" to be lured into "Renegotiation" ?
This dirty vintage Old M is never a simple man even in his "borrowed time" at 93++ years old. Please RIP soonest !
Yeok Fong Yong
"So I don't understand what English is used by the Singaporean Foreign Minister to interpret it in such a manner," he[Saifuddin] said. Unquote. Dear Mr Saifuddin, Dr Balakrishnan is stating a point in Law NOT English lah...please check with your AG Tommy Thomas....hahahaaaa
Tun Osman
I'm wondering where are all the oppositions ? They're very loud when asking Singaporeans to vote for them. So they can protect the interest of all Singaporeans. But they're missing now when Singapore are being " attacked " by our closes neighbour, Malaysia. Is this what n how they'll protect all Singaporeans n Singapore herself if they were to govern ? By hiding.
Un Revealed
Wow! Is this a threat? Government vessels into SGP waters is already declaring war. What is wrong with them? Already in debt still thinking of bullying their neighbours? Total terrorist!
Joseph Lau
Sai-fiddin, your standard of English is better than Dr Vivian? Do not delay for international arbitration. A lot of people from both countries are waiting for the Event.
Roger Lim
Seek whatever the F you want lah..
With your stupid mindset and blinded theory.. you think the IJC has the jurisdiction to change the contents in a contract? Based on "morals" or whatever the F you thought up?
How the F you became a minister? Oh I forgot, you got a roti prata boss.
With your stupid mindset and blinded theory.. you think the IJC has the jurisdiction to change the contents in a contract? Based on "morals" or whatever the F you thought up?
How the F you became a minister? Oh I forgot, you got a roti prata boss.
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