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Let see this apple polisher can do it or not?
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Ricky Lim
Johor Crown Prince Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim has thanked the Singapore Government for helping the Malaysian state during droughts.
Calling Singapore "a neighbour and a friend", Tunku Ismail said in a tweet on his official JohorSouthernTigers account on Thursday: "Thank you to the Singaporean Government for helping Johor during the drought seasons & when we had our water crisis. We have always helped each other. May the close ties & friendship forged hundreds of years ago last forever."
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Johor has been consistently facing drought and its reservoirs and rivers have been drying up - affecting more than 800,000 residents in Johor every time.
This happen from 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and now 2019. And the droughts will normally last for many months.
Singapore have been providing more treated water to Johor - more than the Water Agreement allows - in times of drought.
Johor government is grateful to Singapore for providing help in times of needs.
But not this ungrateful old hat.
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Let see this apple polisher can do it or not?
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Ricky Lim
Johor Crown Prince Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim has thanked the Singapore Government for helping the Malaysian state during droughts.
Calling Singapore "a neighbour and a friend", Tunku Ismail said in a tweet on his official JohorSouthernTigers account on Thursday: "Thank you to the Singaporean Government for helping Johor during the drought seasons & when we had our water crisis. We have always helped each other. May the close ties & friendship forged hundreds of years ago last forever."
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Johor has been consistently facing drought and its reservoirs and rivers have been drying up - affecting more than 800,000 residents in Johor every time.
This happen from 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and now 2019. And the droughts will normally last for many months.
Singapore have been providing more treated water to Johor - more than the Water Agreement allows - in times of drought.
Johor government is grateful to Singapore for providing help in times of needs.
But not this ungrateful old hat.
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Singapore must be prepared to haul Malaysia to the International Court - if they break the Water Agreement.
If any alteration threaten our Sovereignty or Our Right of Existence - we must bring our case to International Court - and if cannot resolve ---- we must be prepared to resort to military actions.
If any alteration threaten our Sovereignty or Our Right of Existence - we must bring our case to International Court - and if cannot resolve ---- we must be prepared to resort to military actions.
Lateef Majid
Ricky Lim no need to haul them even if singapore wins the court decision , ‘HE’ will said we are a bully.
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Lateef Majid You are right
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By hauling Malaysia to International Court - is to provide us the legal muscle to determine who has flout the International Law and also determine that our Separation Agreement 1965 remain intact and Singapore Republic is still a Sovereign Independent Country.
Whatever actions take by the Malaysia side on the Water Agreement 1962 - does not compromise Singapore Republic as a Sovereign Nation.
Whatever actions take by the Malaysia side on the Water Agreement 1962 - does not compromise Singapore Republic as a Sovereign Nation.
This will give us very strong mandate in the International scene to determine our next course of actions.
Singapore approach to this old hat is very simple :-
(1) Use diplomatic bi-lateral approach such as negotiation to resolve dispute
(2) If diplomatic negotiation fails - use 3rd party arbitration or International Courts etc for resolution according to International Laws.
If all the above fails, we may have no choice but to resort to military actions to safeguard Our Right of Existence, Our Sovereignty and Our National Interests.
This will be our last least preferred resort.
And Our Military Forces are ready and confident to deliver a swift and decisive Victory - if come to the last resort.
Georgie Tan
FAKE JBCM, only at planning stage and you are boasting. You only boast when it is 95% ready. SG will wait long long to see what happen next.
Smin Sky
Singapore should stop relying on Msian workers especially those commuting daily to work in Sg. At least only allow those who have a rented room here. It also help to relieve the congestion at the immigration points. Also immediately implement a $5 toll for motor cyclists coming in to Sg.
Sharil Bin Saharudin
Yes. Please proceed with your plan to be self-sufficient in treated water supply. While we will continue to buy raw water at 3 sen/kilo mgd until 2062, you will not have to draw down your foreign reserves by not buying treated water from us. We may even buy treated water from you if the price is right.
Therefore, it's a double win for you (and us, as we still get to benefit from raw water at 3 sen/kilo mgd until 2062, without having to subsidize you with treated water anymore)
So, as long as you dont tear up the Water Agreements, we welcome it becoz unlike your current bosskau, Mahdey, we dont believe in his zero-sum, 'beggar-thy-neighbours' views.
Good luck and all the best.
Therefore, it's a double win for you (and us, as we still get to benefit from raw water at 3 sen/kilo mgd until 2062, without having to subsidize you with treated water anymore)
So, as long as you dont tear up the Water Agreements, we welcome it becoz unlike your current bosskau, Mahdey, we dont believe in his zero-sum, 'beggar-thy-neighbours' views.
Good luck and all the best.
Yawn...... Can they achieve what they boast??? Yawn.....
Colin Tan
Can you trust a person who has no qualms to cheat on his academic qualification?
Ricky Lim
The problem is, all Malaysia water treatment plants are to treat rain water and river water.
If the rivers or reservoirs are polluted by sea water - the water treatment plants become useless.
Also Johor and whole of Malaysia have been facing drought of many months more and more frequently --- that start from 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and now in 2019.
If no rain and river dries up - you think his water treatment plants useful?
That is why the whole Malaysia is talking about water rationing now.
Let see what this fake degree liar and the old hat -- can do with their water treatment plant - whether they help or sabotage the Johore people.
We will fold our arms and see.
If the rivers or reservoirs are polluted by sea water - the water treatment plants become useless.
Also Johor and whole of Malaysia have been facing drought of many months more and more frequently --- that start from 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and now in 2019.
If no rain and river dries up - you think his water treatment plants useful?
That is why the whole Malaysia is talking about water rationing now.
Let see what this fake degree liar and the old hat -- can do with their water treatment plant - whether they help or sabotage the Johore people.
We will fold our arms and see.
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Ricky Lim
Paul Tan - The Tuasspring desalination plant can only provide water to Singapore under the tender terms and conditions for the whole tender period of 25 years from 2013 to 2038. Hyflux cannot move this plant out.
Malaysia Maybank is only a bank creditor and cannot breach the tender terms and conditions.
Singapore is not even worry to bail out the plant - as we have so many other desalination plants and newater plants
Moreover, the engineers who build and operate the plants are in Singapore.
BTW, the CEO of Hyflux Olivia Lum is a Singaporean though she was born in Malaysia.
She received her degree education at NUS.
Malaysia Maybank is only a bank creditor and cannot breach the tender terms and conditions.
Singapore is not even worry to bail out the plant - as we have so many other desalination plants and newater plants
Moreover, the engineers who build and operate the plants are in Singapore.
BTW, the CEO of Hyflux Olivia Lum is a Singaporean though she was born in Malaysia.
She received her degree education at NUS.
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Ricky Lim
Johor's Linggiu Reservoir, which enables Singapore to draw water have fallen from 80 per cent in early 2015 to 20 per cent in October last year, before making a "slow recovery" to the current 27 per cent. The situation has been made worse by the "frequent and prolonged" dry weather.
This Osman Saipan say Johor stop relying on Singapore for treated water --- will have little water in this Johor reservoir for water treatment ---- and Johor people will definitely face water shortage without Singapore supplying water to Johor.
This Mahathir and Osman Saipan ---- are in fact using Johor state and Johor people as a pawn ---- to make things difficult for Singapore.
Eventually, Johor people will suffer thereon.
This Osman Saipan say Johor stop relying on Singapore for treated water --- will have little water in this Johor reservoir for water treatment ---- and Johor people will definitely face water shortage without Singapore supplying water to Johor.
This Mahathir and Osman Saipan ---- are in fact using Johor state and Johor people as a pawn ---- to make things difficult for Singapore.
Eventually, Johor people will suffer thereon.
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Ricky Lim
Conversely, Singapore have beef up our Newater to 5 - that will supply 40% of Singapore water needs.
Singapore also have build our 5 Desalination plants - that will supply 30% of Singapore water needs.
In addition, Singapore have 17 reservoirs to hold rainfall - to supply the rest of 30% needs.
Singapore will not be short of water.
But Singapore will have to ensure that Malaysia will not breach our Separation Agreement 1965 and compromise "Our Right of Existence" and "Our Sovereignty".
As for Johor people --- they can leave their faith on this Mahathir and Osman Saipan for their water needs - as the Johor reservoir and rivers start to dry up --- to see whether they can prevent Johor people from thirst with sufficient water in future or not.
Let us fold our arms and see.
If cannot, probably, the Johor people will start to lynch Mahathir and Osman Saipan - and tear them apart with their bare hands.
Singapore also have build our 5 Desalination plants - that will supply 30% of Singapore water needs.
In addition, Singapore have 17 reservoirs to hold rainfall - to supply the rest of 30% needs.
Singapore will not be short of water.
But Singapore will have to ensure that Malaysia will not breach our Separation Agreement 1965 and compromise "Our Right of Existence" and "Our Sovereignty".
As for Johor people --- they can leave their faith on this Mahathir and Osman Saipan for their water needs - as the Johor reservoir and rivers start to dry up --- to see whether they can prevent Johor people from thirst with sufficient water in future or not.
Let us fold our arms and see.
If cannot, probably, the Johor people will start to lynch Mahathir and Osman Saipan - and tear them apart with their bare hands.
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Ricky Lim
Paul Tan - Yes.
Why should we see Johor suffer - just because of the vendetta of this Mahathir old hat and his apple-polisher Osman Saipan?
This old hat and apple polisher started it - then they will have to face the consequences.
If they stop it - we will stop.
Else we need to guard against those evil people who want to harm us.
Why should we see Johor suffer - just because of the vendetta of this Mahathir old hat and his apple-polisher Osman Saipan?
This old hat and apple polisher started it - then they will have to face the consequences.
If they stop it - we will stop.
Else we need to guard against those evil people who want to harm us.
Niko Nishi
Ya, the chief minister already has the grand plan to be self sufficient in treated water but since it is still in the planning stage and so cannot reveal it yet. I think the Sultan of Johor better plan how to seced Johor from Malaysia when you have a CM with false credentials working for an old mad dog stirring all sorts of problems for Johor and Singapore.
Shi Jie Sang
What does this guy want from us? first play play with boats now wanna use power up water card
Frank Kam
What plan ?? Only now ??? Ask yr snake if he dare to sit and debate this issue one to one with our Dr. Bakakrishnan ??? Our FM, during his educational days had been won 'Top Debater ' awards many times ! Want ti try ??? You Osnan Sapian lued about your educational achievements snd still not ashamed !!! Malu sedikit la...
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Tony Nat
Malaysians should stop biting the generous hand that feeds them.
- What if Singaporeans stopped visiting Malaysia? Singapore provides as many tourists to Malaysia as the rest of the world combined! In 2017. In 2017, 12.5 million Singaporean tourists visited Malaysia. - Thus Singapore provided nearly half of the 25.9 million tourists who visited Malaysia (more Indonesian tourists visited Singapore than visited Malaysia. Only a paltry 1.1 million Malaysian tourists visited Singapore.
- What if Singaporeans stopped investing in Malaysia? Singapore is -- by far -- the largest foreign direct investor in Malaysia.
- What if Singaporeans stopped buying Malaysia’s product/service exports?Singapore is the largest destination for Malaysia’s exports.
- What if Singapore stopped employing Malaysians and sent them back? 400,000 Malaysians are employed in Singapore on work permits (this does not include another 400,000 Malaysians who are permanent residents). -
Malaysia’s economy will crash.
Why should Singapore keep giving to Malaysia's economy when there is no mutual give and take?
- What if Singaporeans stopped visiting Malaysia? Singapore provides as many tourists to Malaysia as the rest of the world combined! In 2017. In 2017, 12.5 million Singaporean tourists visited Malaysia. - Thus Singapore provided nearly half of the 25.9 million tourists who visited Malaysia (more Indonesian tourists visited Singapore than visited Malaysia. Only a paltry 1.1 million Malaysian tourists visited Singapore.
- What if Singaporeans stopped investing in Malaysia? Singapore is -- by far -- the largest foreign direct investor in Malaysia.
- What if Singaporeans stopped buying Malaysia’s product/service exports?Singapore is the largest destination for Malaysia’s exports.
- What if Singapore stopped employing Malaysians and sent them back? 400,000 Malaysians are employed in Singapore on work permits (this does not include another 400,000 Malaysians who are permanent residents). -
Malaysia’s economy will crash.
Why should Singapore keep giving to Malaysia's economy when there is no mutual give and take?
Tony Nat
Hemlin Mohd Ali Malaysia will have few visitors. In 2016, more Indonesian tourists visited Singapore (3 million Indonesians) than visited Malaysia (only 2.8 million Indonesian tourists). In other words, tourists from Malaysia’s largest neighbor Indonesia – a predominately Muslim country with 268 million people – preferred to visit Singapore than Malaysia.
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Unker Will
If the current dry weather would to continue for a couple more months, he will be singing a different tune. If the reservoir is drying up, what’s the use of a water treatment plant?
Kiang Low
If separation or divorce heard someone, then last resort join back. And is water depending on rain, also whether depending on its population incr or not. The northern state which is far away so ask other country to supply water to them, if we think treating water is so difficult. The passenger ship how they make water. Or supertankers of 230000 ton which cannot come into shallow water, how they make water.
Engchai Tan
WHAT IF...
Malaysia 🇲🇾 cut off water from Singapore 🇸🇬 In the very near futures. How are we going to be totally self reliance on water.. and other issues as well?
Singapore reclaimed lands.
Instead of just reclaim land, we should reclaimed reservoir as well..AT THE SAME TIME..
Reclaim a Perimeter land that stretches out from our shoreline and close back to form a largest reservoir possible.
Seawater inside the ‘reservoir’ is then replace with natural rain water, like the Kallang Basin.
Difficult, but possible. We do reclaim land. Dubai create the ‘Palm’ & the ‘World’ into their shorelines. Many airports in the world are built into once the sea, etc. It might takes 10, 20 yrs to do it, but with the population at 10 millions or so WHAT IF......Malaysia holds us at ransom, are we going to war with our neighbour?
The futures cannot tell.
Malaysia 🇲🇾 cut off water from Singapore 🇸🇬 In the very near futures. How are we going to be totally self reliance on water.. and other issues as well?
Singapore reclaimed lands.
Instead of just reclaim land, we should reclaimed reservoir as well..AT THE SAME TIME..
Reclaim a Perimeter land that stretches out from our shoreline and close back to form a largest reservoir possible.
Seawater inside the ‘reservoir’ is then replace with natural rain water, like the Kallang Basin.
Difficult, but possible. We do reclaim land. Dubai create the ‘Palm’ & the ‘World’ into their shorelines. Many airports in the world are built into once the sea, etc. It might takes 10, 20 yrs to do it, but with the population at 10 millions or so WHAT IF......Malaysia holds us at ransom, are we going to war with our neighbour?
The futures cannot tell.
Ricky Lim
If Malaysia decide to cut water today, Singapore is already self-sustained in our water supply.
(1) We have 5 newater plants - supplying 40% of Singapore water needs.
(2) We have 3 desalination plants - supplying 25% of Singapore water needs. 2 additional in the pipelines (ready by 2020) - will increase supply to 30% of Singapore water needs.
(3) We have 17 reservoirs - will be able to cover up to 30% of Singapore water needs.
Note :- reclaim more lands for reservoirs is not a long term solution - as it consume premium lands where we can use for other economic, industrial or residential needs.
Also reservoirs have to depend on rainfall or rivers (dependent on rainfall). The truth is Global Climate has made rainfall unpredictable - and has caused droughts for many years (lasting for many months in a year).
Also our reservoirs are keep full - by occasionally pumping Newater into the reservoirs.
Our desalination plants are designed to supply Singapore water needs that will double after 2061 (2 x 430 million gallon per day).
Just look at Malaysia, since 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 - the drought is getting more and more severe and last for many months.
Their rivers and reservoirs are drying up and often go below the critical level.
It will be unsustainable in the long run.
(1) We have 5 newater plants - supplying 40% of Singapore water needs.
(2) We have 3 desalination plants - supplying 25% of Singapore water needs. 2 additional in the pipelines (ready by 2020) - will increase supply to 30% of Singapore water needs.
(3) We have 17 reservoirs - will be able to cover up to 30% of Singapore water needs.
Note :- reclaim more lands for reservoirs is not a long term solution - as it consume premium lands where we can use for other economic, industrial or residential needs.
Also reservoirs have to depend on rainfall or rivers (dependent on rainfall). The truth is Global Climate has made rainfall unpredictable - and has caused droughts for many years (lasting for many months in a year).
Also our reservoirs are keep full - by occasionally pumping Newater into the reservoirs.
Our desalination plants are designed to supply Singapore water needs that will double after 2061 (2 x 430 million gallon per day).
Just look at Malaysia, since 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 - the drought is getting more and more severe and last for many months.
Their rivers and reservoirs are drying up and often go below the critical level.
It will be unsustainable in the long run.
Agrosk Kar
When the agreement was signed decades ago both singapore and malaya were equally poor. One can see mahathir's logic now is basically the kind that is from a twisted perverted old dotard who is not able to accept their own shortcomings. It is always easier to blame others when in reality he should have blamed his own malays for being dedak dependant, drunk on race and religion, and unwilling to stand up on their own two feet.
Seng Wan Tan
(1) Shame on you, "SNAKE". I always believed in taking care of my own staff (own people) and to the extend of protecting them. You use your "own people" as pawns... Snake, you are so shameless to make use of your own people !!! (2) Many times, I sacrifice a lot and have to remain very humble to make sure my company is stable (as I will not make my staff suffer)... And you being a PM, you cannot see (or do not even care) your own people in Johore "might suffer" as they might not have enough treated water due to your "high and mighty attitude" (3) Seem like you are trying to score political points by sacrificing your "people" in Johore... real disgusting. (4) You have so much "internal problems" that require your attention and you choose to "play games" rather than use "your brain" to stabilise many issues in Bolehland.
Vincent Tan
Ha! mr. mentri... if you build your own water plant ...I think everyone also scare to drink JB water.
Engchai Tan
Ricky Lim
In 10 to 20yrs our population will probable be in the region of 10 millions people. The future I am envisage not the present. Furthermore it will be silly to built it on premium land areas.
In 10 to 20yrs our population will probable be in the region of 10 millions people. The future I am envisage not the present. Furthermore it will be silly to built it on premium land areas.
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Ricky Lim
Engchai Tan - Singapore 17 reservoirs already form 2/3 of Singapore total land spaces.
We can't build more reservoirs.
Also the water yield from reservoirs are dependent on rainfall - which is a poor yield - as drought is a common sight nowadays.
Both Singapore and Malaysia are facing serious drought for 5 years already.
Building desalination plants make sense as sea water is abundant.
Building reservoirs does not make sense - for land-scarce Singapore.
We can't build more reservoirs.
Also the water yield from reservoirs are dependent on rainfall - which is a poor yield - as drought is a common sight nowadays.
Both Singapore and Malaysia are facing serious drought for 5 years already.
Building desalination plants make sense as sea water is abundant.
Building reservoirs does not make sense - for land-scarce Singapore.
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Ricky Lim
Engchai Tan - Currently our Southern Coastline are for cargo shipping and for port activities.
How do we have space for reclaimed lands?
If we reclaim lands on our sourthern coastlines - the cargo ships cannot sail.
For northern coasline - it is a very narrow straits, how to reclaim lands?
If we reclaim lands on our northern coastlines - the old hat mad dog will jump up and down - as their ships cannot sail.
Rainwater yield is very poor and unpredictable - so even we can reclaim land - it is not useful.
Our 5 newater plants and 5 desalination plants - can produce 70% and in future 80% of our water needs - whereas our 17 reservoirs (form 2/3 of our land spaces) - can only provide 20 - 30% of our water needs.
You compare the land spaces occupied by the newater and desalination plants versus the 17 reservoirs land spaces == and compare their water yield.
The math computation already give you the answer.
How do we have space for reclaimed lands?
If we reclaim lands on our sourthern coastlines - the cargo ships cannot sail.
For northern coasline - it is a very narrow straits, how to reclaim lands?
If we reclaim lands on our northern coastlines - the old hat mad dog will jump up and down - as their ships cannot sail.
Rainwater yield is very poor and unpredictable - so even we can reclaim land - it is not useful.
Our 5 newater plants and 5 desalination plants - can produce 70% and in future 80% of our water needs - whereas our 17 reservoirs (form 2/3 of our land spaces) - can only provide 20 - 30% of our water needs.
You compare the land spaces occupied by the newater and desalination plants versus the 17 reservoirs land spaces == and compare their water yield.
The math computation already give you the answer.
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Engchai Tan
Ricky Lim
If one limit to what one have or what one have achieved is liken to ‘the frog living in the well’.
If one limit to what one have or what one have achieved is liken to ‘the frog living in the well’.
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