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Kenneth Avan
The death penalty solves nothing. Good to see a more enlightened future generation. The day will come when it will be abolished because it is in line with societal views.
Lam Chian Leong
(1) Are you saying that drugs should be abused and allow in Society?
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong (1) No, I am not saying drug abuse is ok. Which part of my sentence says drug abuse should be allowed? There are other forms of penalties, other than death, that can be handed out to traffickers. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that?
One of the biggest lies proponents of the death penalty keep propagating is that those who are against it, must be for the abuse of drugs. How you people make such a connection is beyond my comprehension.
One of the biggest lies proponents of the death penalty keep propagating is that those who are against it, must be for the abuse of drugs. How you people make such a connection is beyond my comprehension.
Lam Chian Leong
(1) Drug traffickers enrich themselves by harming individuals, families and societies.
(2) Death penalty is the best deterrent to display our resolve that drug trafficking cannot be tolerated.
(3) Singapore being a major transit hub - will not allow itself to be exploited by drug traffickers - to harm our Society nor harm others.
(2) Death penalty is the best deterrent to display our resolve that drug trafficking cannot be tolerated.
(3) Singapore being a major transit hub - will not allow itself to be exploited by drug traffickers - to harm our Society nor harm others.
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong (1) So do rapists, rioters, gamblers, cheaters, thieves and assaulters. We don't apply the death penalty to them.
(2) Because you say so? Without even showing proof you can arrogantly declare that it is the best deterrent? For every study you can produce, I can also produce one that shows that a long jail sentence is just as effective. As long as it is not definitive, we should not be playing god by taking a human life.
Of course one can argue that the death penalty is the best deterrent because there is no chance for the offender to re-offend. But at what cost does it come with? Why don't we apply the death penalty to all crimes and criminals because it is also the best deterrent to reoffending?
(3) Let's impose the death penalty to arms smugglers, wildlife smugglers, money launderers and importers of chewing gum as well. We don't want Singapore's reputation as a major transit hub to be tarnished, do we?
You can keep repeating the same arguments, but as long as you don't (or cannot explain) why a long jail sentence is not effective AT ALL, then you really haven't made the point for the death penalty.
(2) Because you say so? Without even showing proof you can arrogantly declare that it is the best deterrent? For every study you can produce, I can also produce one that shows that a long jail sentence is just as effective. As long as it is not definitive, we should not be playing god by taking a human life.
Of course one can argue that the death penalty is the best deterrent because there is no chance for the offender to re-offend. But at what cost does it come with? Why don't we apply the death penalty to all crimes and criminals because it is also the best deterrent to reoffending?
(3) Let's impose the death penalty to arms smugglers, wildlife smugglers, money launderers and importers of chewing gum as well. We don't want Singapore's reputation as a major transit hub to be tarnished, do we?
You can keep repeating the same arguments, but as long as you don't (or cannot explain) why a long jail sentence is not effective AT ALL, then you really haven't made the point for the death penalty.
(1) Not I say so. The law say so.
(2) Majority support.
(3) Drug trafficking in Singapore is low.
(4) Death penalty stay - for those who dare to drug traffick in Singapore.
(2) Majority support.
(3) Drug trafficking in Singapore is low.
(4) Death penalty stay - for those who dare to drug traffick in Singapore.
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong the law doesn't pass judgment on the efficacy of its prescribed penalties. Nice try to but poor attempt to cause confusion 🙂
As I said, majority support is dwindling. The time will come when the majority does not support the death penalty. That is the gist of my first comment. Would you also say that it is fair for the law to be abolished once there is no more majority support?
Drug trafficking is also low in some countries that do not have the death penalty. How do you explain that?
(4) is incomprehensible and illogical. I won't bother with it.
As I said, majority support is dwindling. The time will come when the majority does not support the death penalty. That is the gist of my first comment. Would you also say that it is fair for the law to be abolished once there is no more majority support?
Drug trafficking is also low in some countries that do not have the death penalty. How do you explain that?
(4) is incomprehensible and illogical. I won't bother with it.
Lam Chian Leong
(1) Washington Post - Singapore is winning the war on drugs. Here’s how.
People pass the skyline of the central business district in Singapore on April 27, 2016. (Edgar Su/Reuters)
Regarding the March 2 news article “At opioids summit, Trump suggests executing dealers to help end crisis”:
Singapore is one of the few countries that have kept drug abuse under control. We take a clearheaded approach.
(2) Singapore's policy keeps drugs at bay
Michael Teo
Many criticise using the death penalty against those in the drug trade, but our strategy has saved thousands from addiction
Sat 5 Jun 2010 16.00 BST
(3) Majority of the young Singaporeans still support death penalty.
(4) As they grow older and gain more wisdom - those young one who think that trafficking drugs is small matter will change their perception if they gain the right wisdom.
(5) Only for those young people who possess the right wisdom and right leadership that can bring peace, security, social stability, wealth and prosperity - will become the Government.
(6) As for years to come, death penalty for drug trafficking will stay.
People pass the skyline of the central business district in Singapore on April 27, 2016. (Edgar Su/Reuters)
Regarding the March 2 news article “At opioids summit, Trump suggests executing dealers to help end crisis”:
Singapore is one of the few countries that have kept drug abuse under control. We take a clearheaded approach.
(2) Singapore's policy keeps drugs at bay
Michael Teo
Many criticise using the death penalty against those in the drug trade, but our strategy has saved thousands from addiction
Sat 5 Jun 2010 16.00 BST
(3) Majority of the young Singaporeans still support death penalty.
(4) As they grow older and gain more wisdom - those young one who think that trafficking drugs is small matter will change their perception if they gain the right wisdom.
(5) Only for those young people who possess the right wisdom and right leadership that can bring peace, security, social stability, wealth and prosperity - will become the Government.
(6) As for years to come, death penalty for drug trafficking will stay.
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong now Google other countries winning the war on drugs, but without the death penalty.
Lam Chian Leong
(1) According to the World Drug Report by the United Nations office on drugs and crime 8.2% of the UK population are cannabis abusers; in Singapore it is 0.005%.
(2) For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore;
(3) and for opiates – such as heroin, opium and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore.
(2) For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore;
(3) and for opiates – such as heroin, opium and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore.
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Lam Chian Leong
(1) Even if the majority say one thing and a Leader through his incisive insights genuinely feel is wrong - a Great Leader will debate and argue on it ---- to change the perception of the majority.
(2) The empirical outcome - become the final Judge - on who indeed is right or wrong - the majority who fail to see the final outcome or the Leader with insights.
(3) Hence, democracy is not the best system - if run by a "populist mediocre leader".
(2) The empirical outcome - become the final Judge - on who indeed is right or wrong - the majority who fail to see the final outcome or the Leader with insights.
(3) Hence, democracy is not the best system - if run by a "populist mediocre leader".
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong as stated many times by our learned ministers, majority wins. And I'm glad the tide of opinion is shifting away from capital punishment.
Chen Xu
Kenneth Avan why not you help us out with that? You wouldn't want to use the tax payer money to keep these drug dealers alive. Considering the people and the family they could have destroy, Death may be the best treatment for them
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Lam Chian Leong
(1) When ten very different countries around the world have decriminalized drugs and found declines in usage, overdoses, and arrests, ------ but it has hide under the cover as public health issue rather than illegal drug abuse.
(2) Health Impact News
Legal Drug Addiction a far Greater Problem than Illegal Drug Addiction
By Dr. Mercola
In the UK, 1 million people are addicted to over-the-counter (OTC); that’s significantly more than the number addicted to illegal drugs.
US has lose its fight over drug addiction.
Opioid Overdose Crisis
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Revised January 2019
Every day, more than 130 people in the United States die after overdosing on opioids.1 The misuse of and addiction to opioids—including prescription pain relievers, heroin, and synthetic opioids such as fentanyl—is a serious national crisis that affects public health as well as social and economic welfare. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that the total "economic burden" of prescription opioid misuse alone in the United States is $78.5 billion a year, including the costs of healthcare, lost productivity, addiction treatment, and criminal justice involvement
(3) It is imperative madness -- for anyone to even suggest legalising drugs or go soft on drug traffickers.
(2) Health Impact News
Legal Drug Addiction a far Greater Problem than Illegal Drug Addiction
By Dr. Mercola
In the UK, 1 million people are addicted to over-the-counter (OTC); that’s significantly more than the number addicted to illegal drugs.
US has lose its fight over drug addiction.
Opioid Overdose Crisis
Share
Revised January 2019
Every day, more than 130 people in the United States die after overdosing on opioids.1 The misuse of and addiction to opioids—including prescription pain relievers, heroin, and synthetic opioids such as fentanyl—is a serious national crisis that affects public health as well as social and economic welfare. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that the total "economic burden" of prescription opioid misuse alone in the United States is $78.5 billion a year, including the costs of healthcare, lost productivity, addiction treatment, and criminal justice involvement
(3) It is imperative madness -- for anyone to even suggest legalising drugs or go soft on drug traffickers.
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Paul Tan
Lam Chian Leong appropriate that u give these numbers but they are out dated and prior to opening of the 2 mega casino. Just read the lastest head lines in Strait Time for the last years. It clearly Said drug-trafficking and abusing is rising fast. We are frequently here to sing praise to CNB.
Mikey Mikey
Lam Chian Leong - not all traffickers are there to enrich themselves. Some are duped while others are forced. Not sure if you can think clearly or just plain stupid. Do you take too much medication recently?
Lam Chian Leong
(1) Death penalty will stay for drug traffickers in Singapore. Stay out of drug if you want to avoid death penalty - simple message. Need to take your medicine to understand?
(2) Singapore drug abuse is one of the lowest in the World - UN.
(3) Preach your argument to those countries like US, UK plus others who are facing huge social problem from drug abuse. Don't preach your flaw argument on Singapore who is doing relatively well vis-a-vis the World in controlling drug abuse.
It is akin to a loser of a marathorn telling the winner how to run a marathorn.
--- end of story.
(2) Singapore drug abuse is one of the lowest in the World - UN.
(3) Preach your argument to those countries like US, UK plus others who are facing huge social problem from drug abuse. Don't preach your flaw argument on Singapore who is doing relatively well vis-a-vis the World in controlling drug abuse.
It is akin to a loser of a marathorn telling the winner how to run a marathorn.
--- end of story.
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Paul Tan
Lam Chian Leong read this "More arrested for drug abuse, CNB concerned with jump in first-time young offenders" published in ST FEB 25, 2019, 11:21 AM SGT. 40% up in drug abusers . How many drug-trafficker to supply them? The survy is about young generation and we should respect their view. Death may no longer be a deterence as they view death diffrerently from our generation.
Paul Tan -
1) But Singapore drug trafficking and drug abuse is still one of the lowest in the World.
(2) Remove the death penalty or legalised drug - you will see we go the way US and UK and other Countries that decriminalised go - totally out of control.
(3) Drug abuse go up precisely because so many Countries liberalised drugs and make drug legal and spreading it rampantly in social media.
(4) All those skewed news about legalised drugs are funded by commercial firms producing drugs who are obsessed by money - and yet many misinformed readers are actively promoting their sin.
(5) All the more we cannot go soft on drug trafficking.
1) But Singapore drug trafficking and drug abuse is still one of the lowest in the World.
(2) Remove the death penalty or legalised drug - you will see we go the way US and UK and other Countries that decriminalised go - totally out of control.
(3) Drug abuse go up precisely because so many Countries liberalised drugs and make drug legal and spreading it rampantly in social media.
(4) All those skewed news about legalised drugs are funded by commercial firms producing drugs who are obsessed by money - and yet many misinformed readers are actively promoting their sin.
(5) All the more we cannot go soft on drug trafficking.
(6) ISIS militants - also see "Death may no longer be a deterence as they view death diffrerently from our generation" --- does it means that we go soft on them and that "we should respect their view"?
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong Iran also has the death penalty for drugs offences but the opiate abuse rate is the highest in the world. How do you explain that?
Lam Chian Leong
Kenneth Avan -
(1) why should i explain the Iran case - when their economic circumstances are so different from us?
(2) they are suffering from economic sanction.
(3) their jobless rate is one of the highest in the World.
(4) Afghanistan - the largest drug producing region is just across the border etc..
(5) Singapore system has not fail and in fact being hail as one of the most successful system - you want to dismantle it?
(6) You should preach your drug philosophy to US and UK who are running out of control - not Singapore. Singapore don't need your advice on drug abuse - we are doing very well. Don't mess it up.
(1) why should i explain the Iran case - when their economic circumstances are so different from us?
(2) they are suffering from economic sanction.
(3) their jobless rate is one of the highest in the World.
(4) Afghanistan - the largest drug producing region is just across the border etc..
(5) Singapore system has not fail and in fact being hail as one of the most successful system - you want to dismantle it?
(6) You should preach your drug philosophy to US and UK who are running out of control - not Singapore. Singapore don't need your advice on drug abuse - we are doing very well. Don't mess it up.
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Kenneth Avan
Lam Chian Leong You conveniently pick and choose articles that supports your points and ignore those that don't. Your confirmation bias leaves you with no credibility.
Your willingness to sacrifice the rights of human beings to achieve a utopian society is chilling. Yet I don't hear you arguing capital punishment for other crimes. Why? Do you not agree that capital punishment will bring down rapes, petty thefts, cheating cases, maid abuse etc?
Your willingness to sacrifice the rights of human beings to achieve a utopian society is chilling. Yet I don't hear you arguing capital punishment for other crimes. Why? Do you not agree that capital punishment will bring down rapes, petty thefts, cheating cases, maid abuse etc?
Paul Tan
So call the majority of younger Singaporeans, 1 out of 3 is foreign immigrant. We cannot expect them to share the value. Anyway it is a good outcome that we all should show more tolerance during peace time. Government please shows more leniency and tolerance towards people as we have been seeing so many people being punished very harshly even for a very small wrong doing. During peace time, please govern the people with a big heart.
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