Friday, May 24, 2019

'Not tenable' for Singapore to go easy on Malaysian drug offenders: Shanmugam
Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/shanmugam-pannir-selvan-death-penalty-drugs-trafficking-malaysia-11561192

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Lam Chian Leong
(1) Interesting that some netizens argue against death penalty for drug trafficking - and don't think drug abuse is as serious as murder that justify the death penalty.

(2) Murder kill one, drugs hurt hundreds, thousands - and affect not only the drug abusers, but also their families and the Society at large.

(3) During opium war in China, the whole Country is bogged down by opium and make many people in China hook on drugs and destroy many lives and families.

(4) Currently, in US and UK by legalising drugs - the drug abuse has go out of control for both US and UK.

(5) In the UK, 1 million people are addicted to over-the-counter (OTC); that’s significantly more than the number addicted to illegal drugs.


(6) US has lose its fight over drug addiction. Opioid Overdose Crisis.
Every day, more than 130 people in the United States die after overdosing on opioids.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that the total "economic burden" of prescription opioid misuse alone in the United States is $78.5 billion a year, including the costs of healthcare, lost productivity, addiction treatment, and criminal justice involvement.

(7) Thus drug traffickers will deserve the death penalty as much as murderer if not more deserving.

(8) Malaysians should respect Singapore law and refrain from trafficking drugs to Singapore - if want to avoid the death penalty.
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Pher Kim Huat
Spot on and well elaborated with those facts.
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Raymond Chan
Maybe we can increase the weight of drugs smuggled that attracts the death penalty.
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Wei Ong
Just do it for drug trafficking. No mercy. Don't double standard of Malaysia..
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Lynn Lee
Death penalty should only be reserved for murder related offense, a life for a life.

Drug addicts are alive, not dead. Drug trafficking can ruin a country and Duterte has many supporters. Because the general population is against drugs

How to punish fair without capital yet address the menace of drugs?

Lower 1 step. Mandatory life imprisonment for drug trafficking.

Those who are mules and get certificate of cooperation lower imprisonment to 20 years.See More
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用李
Nonsense. Hang if needed no other way!
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Megan Ram
用李 hang people like you better
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Georgie Lee
Megan Ram Is Pannir your brother in law? Be prepared to shed tears.
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Raymond Goh
Megan Ram Tell me this when your kids become a drug addict.
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Tun Osman
Megan Ram wow you still around.
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Tun Osman
Leelynn, no death penalty to drug traffickers ? Ooo, that's a very bad idea n wrong sympathy feeling. It'll only open a floodgate for these useless peoples to come into Singapore with more drugs. They know they wont be hang and can stay in Singapore with free foods n lodging. Than what ? Give them PR status ? Drugs destroy many families in Singapore n around the world. Death to drug traffickers is a fair punishment.
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Caroline Chung
Georgie Lee . Regan Ram a malaysian of course.
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Pher Kim Huat
We should be firm to uphold our own S'pore's law & order, no two-ways about it otherwise we'll lose respect from others in our legal system.
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黄柏安
Yes, no drug traffickers are allowed to loom around in Singapore. Especially now that Canada has legalise the use of marijuanas, drugs will be freely available in Canada and spread to Singapore. We must therefore tighten instead of loosening the grip.
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AY Lim
Pher Kim Huat.👏 Well commented!
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用李
U bring drug in anyway to Singapore to harm Singaporeans even foe decades Singapore make it clr we hang u if u failed to defend yourself in court.

So dun cry. U asked for it. This is Singapore identity "tough in law"!
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Georgie Lee
Well done Mr Shanmugan. You stood for Singapore. Lets see what they have to say.
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K.w. Chan
Noticed it's always the mules, how about asking the Malaysian police to pursue the kingpins over there...only by getting to the source can the authorities decimate this flow of dangerous drugs..
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Georgie Lee
K.w. Chan The trouble is they are not like Singapore. Even our Law Minister Shanmugam has come out to speak against drug offenders/traffickers in response to this Pannir's case. They must learn to respect our law.
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AY Lim
Georgie Lee. Thanks. Yes, respect Singapore laws!
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Caroline Chung
They (Malaysia) cried foul now. Then catch the drug mules before they enter into Singapore. Period.
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Georgie Tan
Lynn Lee, are you sure drug addicts are still alive? Beside that families are destroy by drug addict as they need ton of money to buy it. SG law must stay regarding what Malaysia has done to their law. Malaysia can turn their country to all drug addicts who care. Some Malaysians or Flakers are just out to cause trouble for SG in whatever we do.
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Niko Nishi
Malaysia can do well if they have the capability and competency to catch the drug traffickers before they come over to our side of the causeway. That will solve their problem of wanting to spare these drug traffickers the death penalty.
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Edward Seng
早知如此, 何必当初.
当初早知, 何有如此.
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Pinkpink Pink
Not tenable definition: End of the road.
The wasted gets wasted.
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Caroline Chung
No..his family feel relieved for awhile and the malaysian authority feels good about themselves.
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Pinkpink Pink
Caroline Chung ?? But it's case closed, lid of the casket will drop for the drug runner and he runs no more....  or 
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Terence Tay
I am not a MIW supporter but i totally agreed to this LAW. No changes to dealth penalty for drug related
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Jeyan Raj
Yes must be punished high sentence must be given for drugs.
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Gsan Lee
if bring drug to singapore.hanged.
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Jackie Bary
Cant take risk on drugs.Death sentence stays.When one do drugs,they shld know is death.
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K Tan Don
By all means, please hang those drug traffickers the soonest and quickly...thank Q
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Edward Seng
In fact we Singapore are helping you Malaysia eliminated those toxic man.
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Raymond Goh
Hang him without further consideration. Singapore shall always be DRUG FREE country.. Hanging will stay forever in this country for drug mules.
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Raymond Goh
Well Said MR SHANMUGAM.
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John Low
Dear Sir, It is about clemency. It is not about going unpunished. We have a very nice neighbour up north selling us cheaper water to let all of our citizens able to quench our thirst. How about listening to their plea first. If you put a person away for a very very long time, he too cannot traffic and harm people. It is still a very severe punishment. We as human should not take it lightly to remove a life unless alternative is unavailable. If an offender is remorse and willing to turn over a new leaf, can we not give him a second chance. After all he will not be able to see freedom for a long long time. Please exercise goodwill for the sake of our children and children children. We need to live in harmony with our good neighbour. God will bless us all.
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Caroline Chung
No...they (malaysia) think we bow to them. Their head will swell and grows arrogant to demand more of singapore...especially Dr M
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KT Tan
Fully agree with the Law Minister. If there is no deterence, then anyone can just commit the crime and seek clemency. So what is the point of having the law?
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Pher Kim Huat
Correct, for those who had seen or gone through how the families of drug addicts are going through with broken hearts (especially the parents) then you can understand why S'pore is so strict on drug offenders as not only they cause serious negative impact on family lives but also on the whole society and country..
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Hujjathullah Sahib
It is good to know that Singapore differentiates itself from other "developed" states on the issue of narcotics. I am surprised that though clearly a secular country, Singapore hews closely, in these cases, to Islamic law: all crimes against the larger interest of society and its true integrity must be punished. Minister Shanmugam needs to be praised for strictly upholding the law.

Still, some flexibiliy in the case of clear mules like this poor Malaysian-Indian would be welcome too because the real kingpin culprits are still out there even eluding the Malaysian authorities too. Also given that, in practice, Asean has a culture different from that of the West; some adjustments would definitely be healthy !
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Zack Ben
You are taking a life! Considering his age he could have been rehabitated and contribute back to the soceity in another way. We use to laugh at the Chinese jurisdiction system and we are no difference if we insist to kill him for the sake of proving our rights.......People make mistake
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Joseph Convergence
So much arguments.
Solution ?
Some say death
Some say no death
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Very thorny drug issue.
Who started drugs in the first place
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Lateef Majid
No leniency....everyone cannot be above the law. Should not be pressured by any foreign countries request. If leniency is given then all ex drug traffickers should not be hanged.
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KS Lim
By the fact that it is death penalty to bring drugs to Singapore, people still do it for whatever reasons. If not strictly curb, Singapore prison has to dig deeper and wider to house all those drug traffickers, not to mention still have to feed them for very long period. On the other hand, it also sad to see life need to be executed this way.

Can only say once you get caught for making bad choice, you have to face consequences.
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Sudip Deb
Singapore is today one of the least infected from the manage of drugs because of the strict laws and it's been very effective. No point even discussing of changing it. Human rights are not for people who kill people slowly
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Jacky Syarief
This Singapore Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam's face and baldy head looks exactly like a Sime Darby Estate rubber tapper or perhaps like a rubber estate division Mandore.
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Zhang Jin
if you dont hang this thamby,there will be thousand & thousand more riding to Singapore just to deliver drugs.
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Colin Tan
Sir, dun need to explain so much just DO what our country's law dictates to minimize social ills in our country. Those MY ppl who oppose death penalty should tell their country men to traffic illicit drugs in their own country where these criminals shall not be subjected to this HARSH penalty when caught.
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Jacky Syarief
This Thamby Minister Shanmugam not long before said Malaysia and Singapore cannot be separated as akin to Umblical Cord? Why must this "Childish" Thamby Shanmugam make so much noise whereas the rarely talk Lee Hsien Loong is very quiet and the Halimah Yacob too is so Silent? This Thamby Shanmugam must always remeber that his Forefathers are also Rubber rubber tappers and working as Coolies under the British Malaya.
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