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Ricky Lim
(1) Safety timeout doesn't means abolish NS - because if we do - we will be invaded by someone with ill-intent.
And someone suggest we use defense money to pay our welfare benefits -- is as good as committing suicide.
Perhaps people have forgotten the WW2 - where the ancient Jap invaded Singapore - slaugther, machine gun, chop head, torture Singaporeans, rape women.
Those people who suggest no NS - should be drill through the WW2 documentaries.
(2) Safety timeout doesn't means no IPPT or jogging.
It is reviewing whether we are too rigorous, tempo too fast or too demanding - and whether it is sustainable.
Eg. some feedback that machine are used to measure whether "a push up" is counted - and the machine is too sensitive - that trainee need to do a perfect 90 degree arm push up and chest touch near the ground - to be counted as valid --- maybe need to review --- because human is difficult to achieve "perfection".
For eg., the machine sensor may detect the :-
(i) the last mini-ounce of strength
(ii) the most perfected machine verifiable "push up posture"
- before the machine count it as "pass".
Thus a soldier may have to do say 50 push up to pass instead of say 30 - because 20 maybe counted as fail - due to the "imperfected" push up as verified by the machine sensor.
It end up many trainees who take the IPPT test fail - and need to go for remedial training.
Thus good to look into this.
And someone suggest we use defense money to pay our welfare benefits -- is as good as committing suicide.
Perhaps people have forgotten the WW2 - where the ancient Jap invaded Singapore - slaugther, machine gun, chop head, torture Singaporeans, rape women.
Those people who suggest no NS - should be drill through the WW2 documentaries.
(2) Safety timeout doesn't means no IPPT or jogging.
It is reviewing whether we are too rigorous, tempo too fast or too demanding - and whether it is sustainable.
Eg. some feedback that machine are used to measure whether "a push up" is counted - and the machine is too sensitive - that trainee need to do a perfect 90 degree arm push up and chest touch near the ground - to be counted as valid --- maybe need to review --- because human is difficult to achieve "perfection".
For eg., the machine sensor may detect the :-
(i) the last mini-ounce of strength
(ii) the most perfected machine verifiable "push up posture"
- before the machine count it as "pass".
Thus a soldier may have to do say 50 push up to pass instead of say 30 - because 20 maybe counted as fail - due to the "imperfected" push up as verified by the machine sensor.
It end up many trainees who take the IPPT test fail - and need to go for remedial training.
Thus good to look into this.
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Mark Chen
Yes
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Goh Jon Hin
Ricky Lim
Jogging is never rigorous, it's a form of running at a slow or leisurely pace. So it shouldn't be suspended even the regime is under review.
Jogging is never rigorous, it's a form of running at a slow or leisurely pace. So it shouldn't be suspended even the regime is under review.
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Ricky Lim
Goh Jon Hin - I have no privy to the review.
The jogging could have refer to the IPPT running test itself.
But the whole Army is not in a standstill.
I still see operational duty troops on duty - for e.g our F15SG still fly air drill patrolling the sky.
Our air-defense are still guarding the sky.
Our navy are still patrolling our water etc.
Only the training is on safety timeout pending review.
The jogging could have refer to the IPPT running test itself.
But the whole Army is not in a standstill.
I still see operational duty troops on duty - for e.g our F15SG still fly air drill patrolling the sky.
Our air-defense are still guarding the sky.
Our navy are still patrolling our water etc.
Only the training is on safety timeout pending review.
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Kok Chee Seong
Ricky Lim Navy and Air Force are run by full time proeffsional unlike army that despite Full time proffesional still draw in reserve army
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Ricky Lim
Kok Chee Seong - Are you sure?
There are many reservists whom I know of are in air force and navy.
(1) If BG Lee sign on - then we don't have a PM Lee.
(2) If Admiral Teo sign on - then we don't have a DPM Teo.
(3) If MG Chan sign on - then we don't have a Minister Chan.
(4) If many MG, BG, Admiral, Colonel, Major, Captain sign on - then we don't have many CEOs, Chairman, Head of Department etc to helm the Organisations.
(5) If many pilots sign on - then we don't have many pilots fly the SIA, SilkAir, Scoots planes.
There are many reservists whom I know of are in air force and navy.
(1) If BG Lee sign on - then we don't have a PM Lee.
(2) If Admiral Teo sign on - then we don't have a DPM Teo.
(3) If MG Chan sign on - then we don't have a Minister Chan.
(4) If many MG, BG, Admiral, Colonel, Major, Captain sign on - then we don't have many CEOs, Chairman, Head of Department etc to helm the Organisations.
(5) If many pilots sign on - then we don't have many pilots fly the SIA, SilkAir, Scoots planes.
Georgie Lee
If joggijng is strenous than better to sleep. Bear this in mind Aloysius's case is an accident.
Ricky Lim
Jag Tan - A professional army - assume salary $5,000 a month - will have cost the Government S$78 billion a year for a 1.3 million standing army on salary only.
Are you willing to pay this amount of tax to have a professional army?
Singapore total budget government spending is S$80 billion a year.
Are you suggesting the whole Government budget spend on a professional army paying salary and nothing else?
Are you also suggesting Singaporean men become soldiers - but no one work in the Economy?
Are you willing to pay this amount of tax to have a professional army?
Singapore total budget government spending is S$80 billion a year.
Are you suggesting the whole Government budget spend on a professional army paying salary and nothing else?
Are you also suggesting Singaporean men become soldiers - but no one work in the Economy?
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Ricky Lim
China has the largest professional standing army in the World - and they find it unsustainable paying salary for the professional army.
They have already lob 1 million soldier off.
They have already lob 1 million soldier off.
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Goh Jon Hin
Jag Tan
Some ARSE HOLES will complain why employing FT.
Are our Armed Forces personel have become so soft? There's even a gold standard bearer, at times had to push himself hard to complete 2.4km, due to whatsoever excuses. How was that gold achieved?
Aloysius' death was an unfortunate accident, nothing to do with jogging and certainly, it's incredulous to call it strenous.
Our neighbours are going to laugh at us. Sad indeed.
Some ARSE HOLES will complain why employing FT.
Are our Armed Forces personel have become so soft? There's even a gold standard bearer, at times had to push himself hard to complete 2.4km, due to whatsoever excuses. How was that gold achieved?
Aloysius' death was an unfortunate accident, nothing to do with jogging and certainly, it's incredulous to call it strenous.
Our neighbours are going to laugh at us. Sad indeed.
Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim why need 1.3m? You know what's our population? Just spend 20b get an aircraft carrier for 50-year service to house our new flashy F-35Bs. Get the cheap and short one, no need nuclear power. Less than 5000 professional crew. Can scare everyone in (Southeast) Asia.
Ricky Lim
Jack Sparroww - you are not general and is oblivious to military strategy.
How do you know we don't need so many soldiers?
You don't need to hold ground?
How do you know we don't need so many soldiers?
You don't need to hold ground?
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Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim where you get all these 'unofficial' figures? Let me try another crude way. 20k male babies per year. Mobilise ALL from age 18-40, 22 years. 440k, suppose no one keng or get out of country. A far cry from your million figure.
Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim and how do you know we need so many soldiers? Because the MIW generals told you so.
Jack Sparroww
Jag Tan he didn't even think when he pasted that REACHING MILITARY AGE ANNUALLY: 53,000 from some dubious source. We'll be so happy if there are so many FT kids and gurkhas coming in every year to fight for us. Or use common sense and look around himself, out of every 4 persons he see in the streets (uncles, aunties, school kids, FT workers included), 1 of them is involved in military? 😂😂😂
Ricky Lim
Jag Tan, Jack Sparroww - i don't have to prove to you whether the figure is accurate or off.
You can choose to believe it or not.
1st thing, you don't know our military strategy - and need how many troops.
PM Lee himself say that we have over 1 million troop (including standdown troop - not in reservist cycle) - this means those active and in reservist cycle - half a million.
Those standdown out of reservist cycle - another half a million.
Note :- PR kids also need to serve NS.
Even for half a million troop (not counting standdown) - will cost S$30.3 billion per year in salary - about 40% of the whole Government budget for a professional army - can we sustain a regular army?
You can choose to believe it or not.
1st thing, you don't know our military strategy - and need how many troops.
PM Lee himself say that we have over 1 million troop (including standdown troop - not in reservist cycle) - this means those active and in reservist cycle - half a million.
Those standdown out of reservist cycle - another half a million.
Note :- PR kids also need to serve NS.
Even for half a million troop (not counting standdown) - will cost S$30.3 billion per year in salary - about 40% of the whole Government budget for a professional army - can we sustain a regular army?
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Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim there is nothing for you to prove. Your figures are obviously bullsh!t from dubious source. Lol 1.3m out of under 6m. 6m inclusive of elderly and late middle-age, kids, FT and.... women. One quarter of these will take GRAB to camp when mobilised.... Hahaha
Ricky Lim
Jack Sparroww - I think you know naught.
The source is a Global military source (who tap the figures from Mindef) - and PM Lee himself speak publicly that we have over 1 million troop.
You obviously are not in NS and know nothing about Singapore military.
You do a mental count - you will find the source is very close to the truth.
And under Global Militarization Index - Singapore is the 2nd most militarised in the World - even surpass all the Superpowers - in terms of military density.
You can choose not to believe - but i conclude that you know naught about us - i suspect you are foreigner and have never trained under NS.
Every Singaporeans and PR kids male - will have undergo NS and trained in various form of weapons and military assets.
That is why Singaporeans and those trained in NS know is true or not -- but not you.
The source is a Global military source (who tap the figures from Mindef) - and PM Lee himself speak publicly that we have over 1 million troop.
You obviously are not in NS and know nothing about Singapore military.
You do a mental count - you will find the source is very close to the truth.
And under Global Militarization Index - Singapore is the 2nd most militarised in the World - even surpass all the Superpowers - in terms of military density.
You can choose not to believe - but i conclude that you know naught about us - i suspect you are foreigner and have never trained under NS.
Every Singaporeans and PR kids male - will have undergo NS and trained in various form of weapons and military assets.
That is why Singaporeans and those trained in NS know is true or not -- but not you.
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Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim oh yes oh yes 20k male births (which may already included FT births) and somehow we have 53k reaching military age yearly hahaha. So many FT or maybe you included the girls as well. So proud of your FBI source 😂😂😂
Your past copy and pastes on other topics must be dame reliable too.
Your past copy and pastes on other topics must be dame reliable too.
Ricky Lim
Jack Sparroww - you don't know reservist cycle reach up to 40 years old?
Those exceed 40 years or reservist cycle are considered standdown troops but military trained and still can fire weapons. Obviously you are a foreigner and don't know how our NS operate.
Do you know that even our PM Lee is a standdown reservist Brigadier General - which count to the standdown reservist cycle troop that make up the other 1/2 a million troop.
He can still command division of troops if a war break out as a Brigadier General.
You don't know we have exceeded millions of male?
Do you know what is the population of Singapore?
Do you know that some female has signed on in Army?
Do you know that there are army volunteers?
Talk to you like talking to a cow.
Enough talking to you - because you really know naught.
Those exceed 40 years or reservist cycle are considered standdown troops but military trained and still can fire weapons. Obviously you are a foreigner and don't know how our NS operate.
Do you know that even our PM Lee is a standdown reservist Brigadier General - which count to the standdown reservist cycle troop that make up the other 1/2 a million troop.
He can still command division of troops if a war break out as a Brigadier General.
You don't know we have exceeded millions of male?
Do you know what is the population of Singapore?
Do you know that some female has signed on in Army?
Do you know that there are army volunteers?
Talk to you like talking to a cow.
Enough talking to you - because you really know naught.
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Ricky Lim
Jack Sparroww - BTW why you did not serve National Service - are you taking a free ride here?
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Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim oh yes Ricky standing in an MRT train. Suddenly his pager goes beep beep beep and 1 out of 4 persons on his train hurry to draw rifles from an armskote room somewhere. A PRC young man who works in a factory approaches him and ask, "你知道克兰之在哪里吗?"
😹😹😹
😹😹😹
Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim keep blurting more sources of fighting forces like female and volunteers. You can top up to 1.3m by next year. As if only you know about the sources.
Ng At
Nothing to do with time in or out. Importantly as if the higher in-charge seriously review after so many accidents or just sit on it This could have done earller or even better. COI set up but form by internal commitment do not make sense at all. Get foreign expert or perhaps US army to investigate. If it proves to be a lack of management, the chief need to be replaced. This is a democratic society. Afterall, 4 life have been taken out.
Janice Seah Teo
they're completely flummoxed. Never have they faced this level of transparency, scrutiny or accountability
Tommie Vale
Will they abolish NS?
Mohamed Firdaus
Chua Kian Hin False equivalance fallacy.
Road = Military
Car accident = accident
Drivier being forced under threat of imprisonment to drive against his will when he never drive 11/12 months a year and is forced to drive even when he is tired or not confident = NS
Road = Military
Car accident = accident
Drivier being forced under threat of imprisonment to drive against his will when he never drive 11/12 months a year and is forced to drive even when he is tired or not confident = NS
Yi Yong Ke
Whether there is time-out or not, accident can happen.
It is human error.
It is a matter of when, where, what and how it happen.
The why it happen is after the COI.
So train with responsibility and responsibily.
No complacency.
Life is at stake.
It is human error.
It is a matter of when, where, what and how it happen.
The why it happen is after the COI.
So train with responsibility and responsibily.
No complacency.
Life is at stake.
Foong Mun Loh
just abolish SAF lah.......the defence budget can pay the interests on our national debt liao.....
Chow Yoon Seng
Outsource...!?
Like how the camps kitchen are outsource. Carry your own Maggie mee and sardines if go into action.
Transport already outsource.
Outsource fighting forces too lah. Employ mercenaries... just hope xenophobia regarding FTs ( or whatever) doesn’t stop the troops.
Why haven’t full time commanders say something now?
Like how the camps kitchen are outsource. Carry your own Maggie mee and sardines if go into action.
Transport already outsource.
Outsource fighting forces too lah. Employ mercenaries... just hope xenophobia regarding FTs ( or whatever) doesn’t stop the troops.
Why haven’t full time commanders say something now?
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Unker Will
This decision for SAF to temporary suspend and implement a safety timeout of strenuous activity is the right path going forward and in fact, they should conduct an overhaul assessments of all their training methods long time ago. Let's be realistic, the individual physical condition of each soldier is different and cannot be forced across the board to perform as a standard expectation. Likewise, the mentality and experiences (or how well trained it might be) of each soldier also differ and as such expecting them to perform a job unsupervised can put a great risk not only to himself but to others too.
Gerrard Villa
Crazy! Should be SOC and tekan sessions all suspended. Jogging or IPPT is chicken feat
Joseph Lau
Could it be that our young are getting weaker physically. Using mobile phones for too long. Possibly brain is affected due to long hours on the mobile phones.
Eddie Lim
this is very good decision. as a physically fit person myself who used to get gold standard, at times i had to push myself hard cos i was feeling lethargic due to working shift before the moment of IPPT that i even felt a great pain in my abdomen during the 2.4km run but i had to finish the run.. i also suffered knee cap injury. I can imagine worse can be for those who are really unfit and struggling to pass and can be fatal. i hope changes can be made to IPPT system that allows servicemen to take IPPT up to 5times a yr on their own timing and reward extra incentives to the best out of the 5 which also allow the others to fail....
Roland Yeo
I for one think that our NS is too long. Taiwan only 12 mths and SK is going to reduce theirs to 18 mths.
I wonder is it becos the OCS course itself is already 38wks. Adding in the BMT its almost a yr to train an officer. So everyone else has to serve longer NS because of these officers.
I wonder is it becos the OCS course itself is already 38wks. Adding in the BMT its almost a yr to train an officer. So everyone else has to serve longer NS because of these officers.
Tan Siong Koon
IPPT and Jogging is strenuous? Maybe one day going to the cookhouse will be a strenuous. The boys can get their food delivered to their bunk by Grabfood or Foodpanda. Hahaha.
On the other hand it will be interesting for MINDEF to release the figure on the number of deaths annually, NS and Reservist from day one of national service to now.
On the other hand it will be interesting for MINDEF to release the figure on the number of deaths annually, NS and Reservist from day one of national service to now.
Michael Thomas
The army has become too soft.
Augustine Teo
Fight , tab on glass top .. keyboard army
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Ng At
Nothing to do with time in or out. Importantly as if the higher in-charge seriously review after so many accidents or just sit on it This could have done earller or even better. COI set up but form by internal commitment do not make sense at all. Get foreign expert or perhaps US army to investigate. If it proves to be a lack of management, the chief need to be replaced. This is a democratic society. Afterall, 4 life have been taken out.
Janice Seah Teo
they're completely flummoxed. Never have they faced this level of transparency, scrutiny or accountability
Olarious GE
When there is fatality at workplaces, MOM will investigate and fine the company invloved. When it comes to army...
Muthu MV
Soon man don't have serve NS. Will have robots to manned. Surely there will be Zero lost of lives and tears.
ST should be exploring Next Generation 'unmanned army'.
ST should be exploring Next Generation 'unmanned army'.
Ricky Lim
Unmanned Robots with AI run wild - killing any human along the path - whether self, friends or foes?
Then humanity will extinct on Earth - because unmmaned AI robots with lethal weapons will dominate Earth and kill all human and animals that move.
How does AI robots recognise - a human is self, friends or enemies - the forehead printed "Self, Friend, Foe"?
Then humanity will extinct on Earth - because unmmaned AI robots with lethal weapons will dominate Earth and kill all human and animals that move.
How does AI robots recognise - a human is self, friends or enemies - the forehead printed "Self, Friend, Foe"?
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Jack Sparroww
Ricky Lim if your family is like mine with no NS personnel, we can do shyt-talking all day.
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Alvin Leong
I will not put much faith in ST to design anything good. Remember, they designed the Primus, which is the smallest SPG in the world, so small that it will crush its crew. Little wonder that there are no customers for this POS other than SAF.
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Richmond Ang
Aloysius actually escaped Death once in a car he was found drunk when driving on the early morning of 8th May 2017. He couldn't escape this 2nd round in an amoured tank. His Untimely Tragic Death in a Metallic vehicle brings me back to 31st August 1997 of the late Princess Diana who also died being CRASHED in a Luxury car(Death due to being inside a Metallic Vehicle also). Notice sthg? Both of them when inside BIG METALLIC Vehicles, they faced FATAL OBSTACLES. WHY??? It can be all explained in theirs Birthprofiles charts.
Richmond Ang
The Full Detailed Explanation will be all ready by Tuesday 29th January 2moro. U can read more about it & be more alert with yours own safety.
Tah Por
A total overkill when you have no solution....every thing also can just anyhow hantam in....these do not solve the real issue and placate the public anger and dont treat us like idiots...get to the root cause and address the real problem...
Janet Yap
Will SINGAPORE invade attack other country in future? Will SAF help other country in defending if it was invaded ?
If the answers are " NO" to the above queries, may I know why our government needs to spend so much money to send our NS men go for FIELD TRAINING in overseas.
Now, the new style of war is INTERNET WAR and TRADE WAR. I really can't understand why our government still continue on to train our NS men in field. Besides, SINGAPORE has no jungle.
Can someone clarify my queries please !
If the answers are " NO" to the above queries, may I know why our government needs to spend so much money to send our NS men go for FIELD TRAINING in overseas.
Now, the new style of war is INTERNET WAR and TRADE WAR. I really can't understand why our government still continue on to train our NS men in field. Besides, SINGAPORE has no jungle.
Can someone clarify my queries please !
Augustine Teo
No sure when you were born Janet. Ah loong was born in troubled times. We can be overrun easily . I am not pap gang. But I am for defence. Viet took cambodhia in a day. All balls shrank including thai and malaysia in 1980. DO NOT PLAY WITH DEFENCE.
Francis Zhou Hong Quan
So stupid of MINDEF to even think of suspending such physical training. What kind of army are we with such pampered and physically unfit soldiers. Might as well disband the whole SAF.
Robin Leslie Lee Robert
During my NS days, there are so many accidents and some my platoon had downgraded pes and excuse from NS. There specialists and cadets trainee had lost their lifes during training and oversea execises, MINDEF responds effectively and assist their families but there no changes in training?
Corperal Pang was reckless and lack Dilligentness that led his death
Corperal Pang was reckless and lack Dilligentness that led his death
Addie Salleh
The onus is on each individual soldier to practice what have been taught and follow procedures. How does this initiative help with anything? The processes are already in place. We need to be serious. Can we afford to relax a bit amidst political tension in the region?
Aren't we putting ourselves at a higher risk? We are no longer as resilient as others. How will we or the younger generations defend SG then? Will the enemy be so considerate and be lenient?
Remember the oath... last three words..
'With Our Lives'...
We should not be jumping to conclusion and decide on such things irrationally. Do i respect SAF? I apologise that its a NO for me for what they failed to do for my case. But we have to take a step back, look at things and move forward rationally.
Just my personal thoughts. No need to respond pls. Tired of reading all these...
Aren't we putting ourselves at a higher risk? We are no longer as resilient as others. How will we or the younger generations defend SG then? Will the enemy be so considerate and be lenient?
Remember the oath... last three words..
'With Our Lives'...
We should not be jumping to conclusion and decide on such things irrationally. Do i respect SAF? I apologise that its a NO for me for what they failed to do for my case. But we have to take a step back, look at things and move forward rationally.
Just my personal thoughts. No need to respond pls. Tired of reading all these...
Hadassah Foong
Suspend jogging? What a joke. They are not even targeting the root issue. Aloy's death is an accident. The problem lies in the implementation and execution of proper safety protocols. Implementing safety measures is more than just giving some instructions from the top. They have to follow closely constantly to ensure that the instructions are executed correctly without compromise.
Isthofa Mabrur
SAF military are getting soft and pampered nowadays. The era of social medias are giving undue pressure and stress to govt, authorities in tackling expectation and aspiration of societies. I've met nos of NS enlistees in SAF. They even admit the training rigours are not tough nowadays compare to days of their father nor uncles who served in past. Nowadays any incident/accident could not escape in limelight of public in this online, social media era. I served NS in early 80s. The 'tekan' regime and rigourous tough training is unexplainable. Push beyond limits. The mental, physical endurance of enlistees during that period nor earlier are exemplary. Even those matured ex SAF I met before know of incidents/accidents happened during that time but its closed case. Cause internet, hps nor social/online media non existance.
If we observed our regional neighbours m'sia, indonesia, thailand and world never heard of toning down military training rigours just because of unfortunate few accidents happened in their force. They're steadfast and tough. Its ingrained in their military force the risk factors they have to face. Spore.. sigh. Too sensitive to the furores / noise in social n online medias.
If not, in time of crisis/breakout our SAF soldiers will not be in physical and mental attributes the endurance factors to sustain in defence of homeland.
Do note.
If we observed our regional neighbours m'sia, indonesia, thailand and world never heard of toning down military training rigours just because of unfortunate few accidents happened in their force. They're steadfast and tough. Its ingrained in their military force the risk factors they have to face. Spore.. sigh. Too sensitive to the furores / noise in social n online medias.
If not, in time of crisis/breakout our SAF soldiers will not be in physical and mental attributes the endurance factors to sustain in defence of homeland.
Do note.
Tham Serene
What they shd review is efficiency in allocation of human capital. Abolish compulsory NS but pay well to those who really out there to serve the country in professional manner. All these whatever stupid war that you anticinamed it needs professional training the whole life, not the 2 years plus part time refreshment course can cope one. Well, i know the ATAS stupid one wont even consider thus as an alternative at all. I also prepared to let that dirty old fart called Lee Yong to shoot me with his bloording idiot SAF pledge rhetoric. Here to warn him first . I wont reply. This kind of people is just a dirty smelly rat who seek attention everywhere pestering everybody to reveal the identity in public, hoping to get data to implement hia grand scam scheme, a stupid idiotic control freak that capitalize on everybody's precious time.!
Keehong Lu
There is no doubt that each time a Sgp son's life was lost while in SAF is one too many.
At the same time I cannot fathom the link behind halting IPPT, etc. activities ordered by our generals (in consultation with Minister Ng n gov??) to the tragic n most unfortunate death of the young good actor.
The last 3 deaths out of 4 in the last 18mths involved our Sgp boys dealing within heavy equipment/vehicles, the safe operating of these must b improved IF the existing procedures hv flaws. How does stopping IPPT. etc. help?
Any unfriendly forces will perceive these actions as "irrational decision making by our generals"?
Or our current operating procedures r so bad that each time a life is lost, the SAF then decide to review them?
At the same time I cannot fathom the link behind halting IPPT, etc. activities ordered by our generals (in consultation with Minister Ng n gov??) to the tragic n most unfortunate death of the young good actor.
The last 3 deaths out of 4 in the last 18mths involved our Sgp boys dealing within heavy equipment/vehicles, the safe operating of these must b improved IF the existing procedures hv flaws. How does stopping IPPT. etc. help?
Any unfriendly forces will perceive these actions as "irrational decision making by our generals"?
Or our current operating procedures r so bad that each time a life is lost, the SAF then decide to review them?
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Sam Wee
One solution is to outsource our country's defence.
No joke, some countries are already doing this.
Just pay another country's military to defend us.This practice will solve hell a lot of problems.
We won't have have unnecessary life's loss anymore.
We won't have shameless people who take super high salaries and shy away from responsibilities anymore......
No joke, some countries are already doing this.
Just pay another country's military to defend us.This practice will solve hell a lot of problems.
We won't have have unnecessary life's loss anymore.
We won't have shameless people who take super high salaries and shy away from responsibilities anymore......
Ricky Lim
Singapore outsource the defense to ancient British in WW2 - Singapore was invaded by the ancient Jap - and Singaporeans are slaughter, rape, machine gun, chop head.
Singapore surrender without a fight.
US tell Korea, Japan, NATO to give more money every year - as protection money if not no protection.
You want to put your head up first to get chop?
Singapore surrender without a fight.
US tell Korea, Japan, NATO to give more money every year - as protection money if not no protection.
You want to put your head up first to get chop?
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