Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/always-better-to-settle-disagreements-through-peaceful-talks-ng-11145416
(Updated: )
Straits Times: Johor MB’s visit may derail Iskandar’s prospects
Last week, Osman visited Malaysian Marine Department vessel MV Pedoman which was anchored within Johor Baru’s new port limits. — Picture by Ben Tan
KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 16 — The recent controversial visit by Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Osman Sapian to waters off his state may adversely affect the future of the Iskandar region, Singapore’s Straits Times (ST) reported today.
The paper pointed out that Singapore is the economic zone’s second biggest foreign investor after China, and this is exacerbated by the latter that is expected to taper off its investments in Malaysia amid tepid ties with the new Pakatan Harapan (PH) administration.
“Singaporean interest in Johor, especially Iskandar, is going to be crucial in the near future as Chinese investments pull back.”
The paper said Singapore’s investment makes up nearly a quarter of the foreign investment in Iskandar as at November 2017, at RM22 billion.
Quoting anonymous official sources, ST said Osman had defied instructions by Putrajaya to not visit the vessel due to the sensitivity of the disputed waters.
The delay in the joint meeting came amid Johor’s economic downturn with the state now having the largest residential overhang in the country, ST said.
Unsold units in Johor, as at September last year, were reportedly worth over RM10.6 billion, which made up more than a third of the total overhang in the country worth RM27.4 billion.
“There is an oversupply of apartments and condominiums in Johor Baru because developers were ‘enthralled’ with Iskandar Malaysia when it was first announced, considering all the initiatives that they undertook like Educity and pushing the industrial sector in the region,”
The newspaper said Johor is also suffering when it comes to gross domestic product per capita among the states — at RM34,362 compared to the national average of RM42,228 — and facing one of the highest inflation rates in the country.
Last week, Osman visited Malaysian Marine Department vessel MV Pedoman which was anchored within Johor Baru’s new port limits. — Picture by Ben Tan
KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 16 — The recent controversial visit by Johor Mentri Besar Datuk Osman Sapian to waters off his state may adversely affect the future of the Iskandar region, Singapore’s Straits Times (ST) reported today.
The paper pointed out that Singapore is the economic zone’s second biggest foreign investor after China, and this is exacerbated by the latter that is expected to taper off its investments in Malaysia amid tepid ties with the new Pakatan Harapan (PH) administration.
“Singaporean interest in Johor, especially Iskandar, is going to be crucial in the near future as Chinese investments pull back.”
The paper said Singapore’s investment makes up nearly a quarter of the foreign investment in Iskandar as at November 2017, at RM22 billion.
Quoting anonymous official sources, ST said Osman had defied instructions by Putrajaya to not visit the vessel due to the sensitivity of the disputed waters.
The delay in the joint meeting came amid Johor’s economic downturn with the state now having the largest residential overhang in the country, ST said.
Unsold units in Johor, as at September last year, were reportedly worth over RM10.6 billion, which made up more than a third of the total overhang in the country worth RM27.4 billion.
“There is an oversupply of apartments and condominiums in Johor Baru because developers were ‘enthralled’ with Iskandar Malaysia when it was first announced, considering all the initiatives that they undertook like Educity and pushing the industrial sector in the region,”
The newspaper said Johor is also suffering when it comes to gross domestic product per capita among the states — at RM34,362 compared to the national average of RM42,228 — and facing one of the highest inflation rates in the country.
This is our 1st intelligent pointed sharp elbow jab at the cunning old man bruised sore mid-rib - for making intrusion into our Tuas water.
It cost him over RM10.6 billion.
We don't see how we can reward our adversary who keep antagonising us for some cheap gains.
We will administer punishment with big pain - to punish every single act of provocation - to deliver the message that provocation don't pay.
《孙子兵法》第三篇谋攻篇，谋攻，最好是不用攻，不攻而下。
It cost him over RM10.6 billion.
We don't see how we can reward our adversary who keep antagonising us for some cheap gains.
We will administer punishment with big pain - to punish every single act of provocation - to deliver the message that provocation don't pay.
《孙子兵法》第三篇谋攻篇，谋攻，最好是不用攻，不攻而下。
Ricky Lim
孙子曰：夫用兵之法，全国为上，破国次之；全军为上，破军次之；全旅为上，破旅次之；全卒为上，破卒次之；全伍为上，破伍次之。是故百战百胜，非善之善者也；不战而屈人之兵，善之善者也。
打仗不是为了杀敌，因为杀敌要付出代价，杀敌一千，自伤八百。最好是不战而屈人之兵，晓之以利害，让他投降，全城全人全财全货的尽归于我。
这就是孙子的“求全”思想。把敌人围起来，让他绝望，认清形势，投降，那是最好不过。他若作困兽之斗，我们攻城击破他，那就要付出代价，得到的也不是全城，而是一个破城。更何况，战场上什么都可能发生，不一定能胜利。
打仗不是为了杀敌，因为杀敌要付出代价，杀敌一千，自伤八百。最好是不战而屈人之兵，晓之以利害，让他投降，全城全人全财全货的尽归于我。
这就是孙子的“求全”思想。把敌人围起来，让他绝望，认清形势，投降，那是最好不过。他若作困兽之斗，我们攻城击破他，那就要付出代价，得到的也不是全城，而是一个破城。更何况，战场上什么都可能发生，不一定能胜利。
Like · Reply · 1m
Ricky Lim
孙子这里总结“谋攻”，谋攻就是谋全，全利原则，自己不损失，敌方资产也不破坏，全取其利。要全取其利，就要“三非”：非战，非攻，非久。不战而屈人之兵，不攻而拔人之城，不久战而毁人之国。
Like · Reply · 1m
Ricky Lim
孙子兵法 ------ 三“不知” 的败笔 ：-
孙子兵法 ------ 三“不知” 的败笔 ：-
第一个“不知”，不知道军队不可以进，你逼他进。不知道军队不可以退，你逼他退。
第二个“不知”，是不懂得军队事务，却要参与军队管理。
第三个“不知”，是不懂得军队的权变，却要参与军队的任命。不得其人，就会满盘皆输。
第二个“不知”，是不懂得军队事务，却要参与军队管理。
第三个“不知”，是不懂得军队的权变，却要参与军队的任命。不得其人，就会满盘皆输。
Like · Reply · 1m
Ricky Lim
Another pointed elbow jab at the old cunning mid rib - Singapore Chinese Retail Association reported that 30% of Singaporeans are not travelling across Causeway to shop for CNY goodies - and Singapore Retailers has seen a sharp rise of Singaporeans shopping for CNY goodies by 30%.
Like · Reply · 1m
Justin Lee
Recently a good move by RCs to organise for CNY shopping at Woodland factories to prosper our SG economy.
All should boycott MY after Dr M's unwelcome message at Oxford!
All should boycott MY after Dr M's unwelcome message at Oxford!
Sundar Kannan
Ricky Lim Chinese trolls in full force...lol. If Chinese investments are stopped its a win-win. BTW, what did you just say here that it had to be chinese...called someone 'small eyes':)
Eddie Lim
Minister Ng, problem is we have someone who actually don't want to have peace and agreements at all... its in their dna, they are the descendants of cain. they chose the yin and the dark..... eventually they will end up with the dark matters of universe aka hell.
Breeke Lo
We will not hesitate to take firm actions to ... *drum roll pls*.. talk peacefully?
Khaw BW - "Singapore will not hesitate to take "firm actions against intrusions and unauthorised activities in our waters to protect our territory and sovereignty".
Chan CS - "Malaysia must get its ships to leave Singapore territorial waters immediately"
Ng Eng Hen (that's YOU) - "their intrusions are "serious violations of Singapore's sovereignty.. I strongly caution violators to leave Singapore territorial waters"
Heng Swee Kiat - "the ships' presence is a violation of Singapore's sovereignty and international law. This is a serious matter of national interest. We will not hesitate to take firm actions to protect Singapore's sovereignty and territory."
Khaw BW - "Singapore will not hesitate to take "firm actions against intrusions and unauthorised activities in our waters to protect our territory and sovereignty".
Chan CS - "Malaysia must get its ships to leave Singapore territorial waters immediately"
Ng Eng Hen (that's YOU) - "their intrusions are "serious violations of Singapore's sovereignty.. I strongly caution violators to leave Singapore territorial waters"
Heng Swee Kiat - "the ships' presence is a violation of Singapore's sovereignty and international law. This is a serious matter of national interest. We will not hesitate to take firm actions to protect Singapore's sovereignty and territory."
Unker Will
It is not that peaceful talks to settle disagreements are not effective but rather can Singapore afford not to. I really wonder what if all these round and round of 'peaceful talks' eventually ended to nothing, would Singapore really want to be the first to fire the shot or initiate any physical move to compel these vessels away from territorial waters? Yes, we have the means to do so, I am not doubting our capablities but in doing so it would not do any good to our bilateral relationship. Worst still if we do nothing then we would be seen as weak. So meantime, what better option do we have than to talk and talk and bring the dispute matters to the International Courts for more talks!!!
Yonghua Lin
Big business to blame ? Tanjung Pelepas Port private owner pressured/ enticed maritime authority official to expand port limits as the passage into and out of the port have been affected by the 4 man-made islands of the Forest City project 1/5 owned by the Johor palace opposite Tuas ?
Joseph Lau
Agreed. Let malaysia talk big, act big. malaysians known they behave like an empty vessel, making a lot of noise.
Wow did he ask Vivien MFA to settle ? Steady.
Frank Kam
When you try to negociate to settle differences `throuhg peaceful talks', its always very difficult when the `snakes' you are talking to got not basic human brain intellengence to understand you !!!! They even cannot distinguish, from Maps that they themselve produced to identify boundry lines.... now the snake said that the CLOWN MB of Johore was in `International Waters' when he visited the Bouy Laying Vessel !!!
The problem is once we do them one more favor (HSR Singapore gives way), Malaysia will ask for more. Just like what Robert Kuok related how Malaysian govt kept asking for 30% shares!!!
ICJ is not a solution - PB took decades to resolve. Tuas port and seletar airport wun live to see that day.
Talks were futile. The day after 8 Jan, more ships came.
What's left is exactly what we should hv done at the outset. Enforce maritime law by expelling the ships.
These precedents show that it is the best way to avoid tension build up, like the dangerous situation right now.
May 17 - Taiwan shot rubber bullets at 2 Chinese vessels that refused to leave, injuring 1 person. China did not nuke Taiwan.
Sep 12 - Japan fires water cannons to expel 8 Taiwan coast guards ships and 40 vessels from "disputed" waters. No further escalation. Still good relations.
July 12 - Russian shot at and seized 2 Chinese vessels. No further escalation. Still good brothers.
Aug 06 - Russia coast guards shot at a Japanese vessel and killed the fisherman onboard. Japan was angry but there was nothing they can do as the ship had indeed intruded Russian waters.
Talks were futile. The day after 8 Jan, more ships came.
What's left is exactly what we should hv done at the outset. Enforce maritime law by expelling the ships.
These precedents show that it is the best way to avoid tension build up, like the dangerous situation right now.
May 17 - Taiwan shot rubber bullets at 2 Chinese vessels that refused to leave, injuring 1 person. China did not nuke Taiwan.
Sep 12 - Japan fires water cannons to expel 8 Taiwan coast guards ships and 40 vessels from "disputed" waters. No further escalation. Still good relations.
July 12 - Russian shot at and seized 2 Chinese vessels. No further escalation. Still good brothers.
Aug 06 - Russia coast guards shot at a Japanese vessel and killed the fisherman onboard. Japan was angry but there was nothing they can do as the ship had indeed intruded Russian waters.
There are few considerations if we want to physically force them out :-
(1) In Pedra Branca - there are maneouver to force one another vessels out (based on unofficial sources) - it turn ugly - though it did not result in shooting arms - but the vessels maneouvering happen in areas where the waterway is not congested.
(2) If we attempt to shoot water cannon or force the vessels out - the Straits is very narrow and there are commercial vessels pass by the narrow straits very frequently - accidents may happen.
(3) Their vessels are armed with navy weapons - auto cannon and machine guns - if we shoot water cannon at them - there is a possibility that they may open fire - and then we need to respond with lethat forces.
Commerical ships and even people at the coastal areas maybe hit by stray bullets or cannons.
Until and unless provocation escalate - physical contact at this point in time should not be consider.
(1) In Pedra Branca - there are maneouver to force one another vessels out (based on unofficial sources) - it turn ugly - though it did not result in shooting arms - but the vessels maneouvering happen in areas where the waterway is not congested.
(2) If we attempt to shoot water cannon or force the vessels out - the Straits is very narrow and there are commercial vessels pass by the narrow straits very frequently - accidents may happen.
(3) Their vessels are armed with navy weapons - auto cannon and machine guns - if we shoot water cannon at them - there is a possibility that they may open fire - and then we need to respond with lethat forces.
Commerical ships and even people at the coastal areas maybe hit by stray bullets or cannons.
Until and unless provocation escalate - physical contact at this point in time should not be consider.
Now the MB claims the MV is in Malaysian waters and he doesn't need Dr M approval to visit. Situation seems to be going downwards and the longer we allow things to remain status quo the bolder they become. We definitely need to give them a dateline
The dateline is when karma takes the cunning evil old man away.
He has caused 2 near war situation - one in water cut and now in Tuas intrusion.
He has caused 2 near war situation - one in water cut and now in Tuas intrusion.
When they got bolder, we activated 5 squadrons of airforce - ready to blow them away.
We stop only when they call for de-escalation.
If they misread our restraint and patience as weakness - they will be making a big mistake.
Daily, our latest fighter planes are practising sorties, air drill - to hone-in the skill - in the event we need to use it one day.
Our naval vessels are not relaxing.
We hope not to use our military assets - as long as we can resolve the disputes diplomatically.
But they should not take this as our weakness.
No comments:
Post a Comment