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Ricky Lim
Singapore should try to stop further investment into Malaysia and should invest in more friendly Countries.
Malaysia Government is not able to honour signed international agreement - thus Singapore investors should stop investing in Malaysia as it will burn the money with whim and fancy in their favor. In other words, they are not trustworthy and reliable place to do business.
Singapore should also lodge a Court case with UN International Court of Justice for Justice if Malaysia breach the signed International Agreement.
Malaysia Government is not able to honour signed international agreement - thus Singapore investors should stop investing in Malaysia as it will burn the money with whim and fancy in their favor. In other words, they are not trustworthy and reliable place to do business.
Singapore should also lodge a Court case with UN International Court of Justice for Justice if Malaysia breach the signed International Agreement.
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Ricky Lim
Thinking aloud, should Singapore consider submitting this water agreement to International Court of Justice - to judge whether Malaysia has breached the water agreement.
If yes, instead of continuing with the agreement with Malaysia, submit a case for the International Court to award full compensation to Singapore for breaching the agreement to cover all the cost up to 2061.
Thereafter, with the awarded compensation terminate the water agreement and stop extracting water from Johore and then stop treating water for Johore.
Effectively, this will cut all the water agreement saga once and for all.
Singapore will have sufficient newater, desalination plants and reservoirs to sustain our needs.
This will stop all Malaysia nonsense for time and again trying to breach international agreements and wanted to keep negotiating the water price.
If yes, instead of continuing with the agreement with Malaysia, submit a case for the International Court to award full compensation to Singapore for breaching the agreement to cover all the cost up to 2061.
Thereafter, with the awarded compensation terminate the water agreement and stop extracting water from Johore and then stop treating water for Johore.
Effectively, this will cut all the water agreement saga once and for all.
Singapore will have sufficient newater, desalination plants and reservoirs to sustain our needs.
This will stop all Malaysia nonsense for time and again trying to breach international agreements and wanted to keep negotiating the water price.
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Andrew Guo
Honestly, its pointless to really pursue this matter aggressively because both parties know the realities of the situation, if Malaysia were to turn off the tap, then it'll very likely lead to an armed confrontation as its now about Singapore's survival and would be one that will be extremely costly for Malaysia.
If they don't turn off the tap, then all things goes along as usual, they can't ask for more money without an agreement anyways.
Hence Malaysia knows the realities and wouldn't do much about it, they're merely using this sort of things to create a distraction and take their people's attention away from the problems faced in an inamicable transition of power within the government.
If they don't turn off the tap, then all things goes along as usual, they can't ask for more money without an agreement anyways.
Hence Malaysia knows the realities and wouldn't do much about it, they're merely using this sort of things to create a distraction and take their people's attention away from the problems faced in an inamicable transition of power within the government.
Dave
Andrew Guo, Singapore will never lose coz its a businessman. Whatever the price the pap will welcome it coz it will sell back treated water at a profit. The losers will b Sg ppl n Johore ppl to foot the new bill of water at through the roof prices. So keep on shooting mys politicians or mys ppl n kiss pap‘s ass for selling back treated water to mys for a profit.
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Ricky Lim
Andrew Guo - I am saying if Malaysia officially approach Singapore to raise price - then Singapore have a choice to lodge it with the International Court.
I am not saying confronting them now - as they are saying things "within their flat" but loud enough to let us hear.
And also if Malaysia turn off the tap, Singapore water survival is not at risk - the one who is at risk is Johore - who is relying on Singapore treated water for their water source.
Singapore still have water to survive from our own newater, desalination plants and reservoirs --- Singapore very different from a decade ago when we will have to fight if Malaysia turn off the tap.
Now we just need to lug them into International Court to seek compensation.
Singapore can afford to play hard ball - if Malaysia play hard ball.
I am not saying confronting them now - as they are saying things "within their flat" but loud enough to let us hear.
And also if Malaysia turn off the tap, Singapore water survival is not at risk - the one who is at risk is Johore - who is relying on Singapore treated water for their water source.
Singapore still have water to survive from our own newater, desalination plants and reservoirs --- Singapore very different from a decade ago when we will have to fight if Malaysia turn off the tap.
Now we just need to lug them into International Court to seek compensation.
Singapore can afford to play hard ball - if Malaysia play hard ball.
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - Malaysia is now $1 trillion ringgit in debt - still got money to build water plant?
If Malaysia refuse to go to Court, then we can stop giving Johor treated water.
Also Singapore is the second-biggest investor in Johor alone, with our investments totalling RM20.17 billion (S$6.55 billion) as of early-2017.
I think Singapore should start pulling back our investment and do it elsewhere who are more reliable, trustworthy and respect international agreement.
What can you do?
If Malaysia refuse to go to Court, then we can stop giving Johor treated water.
Also Singapore is the second-biggest investor in Johor alone, with our investments totalling RM20.17 billion (S$6.55 billion) as of early-2017.
I think Singapore should start pulling back our investment and do it elsewhere who are more reliable, trustworthy and respect international agreement.
What can you do?
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - Currently, the Singapore factor is worth at least RM50 billion (S$16.6 billion) a year to the Johor economy, state executive councillor for tourism and domestic trade, Datuk Tee Siew Keong, told Malay Mail Online.
"An average of 16 million tourists a year from Singapore visit Malaysia and a vast majority enter the country via Johor Baru. It is their first stop and assuming they spend a night or two here before moving to other places, the money they spend is substantial," Datuk Tee was quoted as saying.
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Singaporeans can show solidarity by visiting Batam instead of Johore for cheap food and shopping and spend the S$16.6 billion in Indonesia instead of Johore.
Why visit a Country and boost their economy that cut our water supply?
"An average of 16 million tourists a year from Singapore visit Malaysia and a vast majority enter the country via Johor Baru. It is their first stop and assuming they spend a night or two here before moving to other places, the money they spend is substantial," Datuk Tee was quoted as saying.
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Singaporeans can show solidarity by visiting Batam instead of Johore for cheap food and shopping and spend the S$16.6 billion in Indonesia instead of Johore.
Why visit a Country and boost their economy that cut our water supply?
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - Try playing hardball and ask for higher water price ---- S$16.6 billion will be gone immediately by garnering all Singaporeans to stop shopping in Johor and Malaysia.
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - Malaysia had in many occasions face drought in many states.
In fact, water rationing was done a couple of time.
In addition, the Johor rivers and reservoirs had been facing very low water level for many years - if not because of Singapore building dam to help Johore increase its water level.
Singapore had also in the past many times, giving Johore more water than is contracted by the water agreement.
If without Singapore, Johore and many states will face a possibility of water shortages without Singapore help.
If Johore build its own plant it will be too expensive for it to afford and the consistent low water level will make Johor plant become white elephant when the water level consistently become low due to drought.
Also Singapore treated water that are sold to Johore is much lower than if Johor build its own plant.
Seriously, if Malaysia play hardball, then the people who will really be sufferings are Johoreans and Malaysians --- not Singapore.
Mark my words - and see for yourself.
In fact, water rationing was done a couple of time.
In addition, the Johor rivers and reservoirs had been facing very low water level for many years - if not because of Singapore building dam to help Johore increase its water level.
Singapore had also in the past many times, giving Johore more water than is contracted by the water agreement.
If without Singapore, Johore and many states will face a possibility of water shortages without Singapore help.
If Johore build its own plant it will be too expensive for it to afford and the consistent low water level will make Johor plant become white elephant when the water level consistently become low due to drought.
Also Singapore treated water that are sold to Johore is much lower than if Johor build its own plant.
Seriously, if Malaysia play hardball, then the people who will really be sufferings are Johoreans and Malaysians --- not Singapore.
Mark my words - and see for yourself.
Georgie Lee
Another dua kali lima trying to impress the voters. You and that 92 year old snake can bring this matter to the highest court of law. After that you and him will have to hang down your head in shame
Jeffery Tan
Ricky Lim our desalination plant and newater is not enough to sustain us , we are still reliant on water bought oversea
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Ricky Lim
Ricky Lim
Jeffery Tan - 5 Newater plants provide us 40% (173 mgd) of our current water needs.
3 Desalination plants provide us 30% (130 mgd) of our current water needs.
In total we need 430 mgd per day.
We have 15 reservoirs - to produce 127 mgd ----- do you think enough?
We are also coming up with the new 4th desalination plants in Tuas.
3 Desalination plants provide us 30% (130 mgd) of our current water needs.
In total we need 430 mgd per day.
We have 15 reservoirs - to produce 127 mgd ----- do you think enough?
We are also coming up with the new 4th desalination plants in Tuas.
Jeffery Tan
K Tan Don jesus christ, are you a naive idiot or a idiot? Your country is trillion of ringgits in debt and you say you can build a water plant before you cut the water supply? Hello,Realism pls?
Raymond Goh
This is another clown whom does not understand about Rule of Law. No difference from the Sly Old man . They can suggest not after year 2061. Now we suggest they can go and Fly a Kite.
Richard Kee
LOL. I smell Dr M "The Recalcitrant" behind this. All this noise. Likewise we will sell the treated water back to them at1600percent
Shaun Chng
Then we also sell back at 1600%.
If they refuse to buy back treated water, the 1600% price is unacceptable.
It does not make sense to buy water at such a remarkably increased rate and sell back at the price agreed in the 1962 agreement.
If they refuse to buy back treated water, the 1600% price is unacceptable.
It does not make sense to buy water at such a remarkably increased rate and sell back at the price agreed in the 1962 agreement.
Andrew Wang
Welcome to revise the price of water but don't increase current price of water in singapore because it is already too high price now.
Isaac Hezekiah Goh
Hmm, perhaps we can raise the selling price of our treated water by 1600% as well? I believe the Johor government will accept it and that’s our hope too.
Lam Ah Kao
Well...There's nothing Singapore can do about it if Malaysia turns off the tap(If We refuse to pay).
1)Our water treatment plants aren't enough to support the current 5.6 million population
2)Our NSmen/NSFs are pissed with the government Pro-Foreigner policies
3)We are heavily outnumbered by Malaysia armed forces
It's better We give in to their demands to avoid any bloodshed.
1)Our water treatment plants aren't enough to support the current 5.6 million population
2)Our NSmen/NSFs are pissed with the government Pro-Foreigner policies
3)We are heavily outnumbered by Malaysia armed forces
It's better We give in to their demands to avoid any bloodshed.
Romain Clouet
israel is also outnumbered by their neighbor and they are still the strongest one so
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Lam Ah Kao
Romain Clouet In Israel ALL men & women are enlisted & they're ALL willing to die for their one & only country. In Singapore, there're MORE work permit holders(about 1.1 million) than ALL the NSmen+NSFs+Regulars=about 80,0000) add together.
Out of millions of PRs & New Citizens, only 700+ are willing to join the SAFVC during peace time. If war comes, most of them would just pack up & return. How many NSFs/NSmen do you think would fight for a country full of freeloaders?
:D
Out of millions of PRs & New Citizens, only 700+ are willing to join the SAFVC during peace time. If war comes, most of them would just pack up & return. How many NSFs/NSmen do you think would fight for a country full of freeloaders?
:D
Lam Ah Kao
Wil Tan Singapore is NOT ready for any war or conflict whether it's with Malaysia over water supply or China at South China Sea.
Lam Ah Kao
Desmond Ang If you go into a war knowing you've ZERO chance of winning. It's called STUPIDITY not chicken.
Ngoh Kin Kong
We need to do a better job in telling our youngs about the water issues w Dr. M. We need to win the heart of our own people while we deal with this snake. The next thing the snake will do when he found himself unable to gain from water negotiations he will make comments to stir up race n emotional issues to divide us.
Raymond Yip
Our govt is trying to raise funds from every corners to make ends meet and u want them to give u a slice?
Wood Peter
One after another dont just talk to press conference. Be a man have the balls talk direct in the face of Singapore government.
Valen Chen Tany
I will be surprised if our govt can agree to it. And I will be worried if they cannot accept our disagreement.
Lateef Majid
Singapore buys water from johore 1600% higher and singapore should sell it $0.50 x1600% too. Singapore should not depend on Mahathir’s water. Mahathir is a swindler and MB just follow blindly if not he will loose his MB position.
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CM Micheal
It was a grave mistake to let Mahathir become PM again of Malaysia knowing fullwell he does not honor deals and agreements or even friendships.
CM Micheal
K Tan Don - Read your history facts properly. The Agreements are international treaties which are vital to Singapore's sovereignty and security. The terms cannot be changed unilaterally.
Under the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, Malaysia had lost its right to review water prices. The Water Agreement is guaranteed by the 1965 Separation Agreement. I referred back to the 1962 agreement and the terms of both the 1961 and 1962 agreements provided for a price review by Malaysia after 25 years, with arbitration being the agreed course of action if bilateral price negotiations failed. However, the Malaysia government chose not to revise the prices at both opportunities, in 1986 and 1987. So Malaysia has lost its right. The PM of Malaysia in 1986 and 1987 was none other than your Mahathir who failed his duties with regards on this water treaty.
Under the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement, Malaysia had lost its right to review water prices. The Water Agreement is guaranteed by the 1965 Separation Agreement. I referred back to the 1962 agreement and the terms of both the 1961 and 1962 agreements provided for a price review by Malaysia after 25 years, with arbitration being the agreed course of action if bilateral price negotiations failed. However, the Malaysia government chose not to revise the prices at both opportunities, in 1986 and 1987. So Malaysia has lost its right. The PM of Malaysia in 1986 and 1987 was none other than your Mahathir who failed his duties with regards on this water treaty.
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Alan Tyc
Malaysia had thousand of cyber troopers during their election. ...seem like some of them is here spreading the agenda. CSA please note.
Ricky Lim
Don't worry can shoot them down.
Cyber propaganda can only win if 理 is on your side.
Now Malaysia obviously is 理亏 - and can be shot down easily.
And Malaysia will suffer International reputation damage worldwide.
Cyber propaganda can only win if 理 is on your side.
Now Malaysia obviously is 理亏 - and can be shot down easily.
And Malaysia will suffer International reputation damage worldwide.
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Eng Hong Ong
To all the Kopitiam University lawyers, please go read up what are treaty/agreements/conventions before continuing to pee in your diapers.. it is embarrassing.
Treaty is like any agreement.. it's just the word treaty is used more commonly for agreement between countries.
Hundreds of inter-country treaties are broken and renegotiated.
The consequences? I would say very much dependent on the agreed international court or arbitration body selected and enforcment jurisdiction/agency.
The ruling could be as serious as supporting sanction against defaulting party or it could be as minor as a loss of credibility or paying damages.
The sad fact is.. even if court judgments are obtained who would be the enforment agency/"world police man".
Treaty is like any agreement.. it's just the word treaty is used more commonly for agreement between countries.
Hundreds of inter-country treaties are broken and renegotiated.
The consequences? I would say very much dependent on the agreed international court or arbitration body selected and enforcment jurisdiction/agency.
The ruling could be as serious as supporting sanction against defaulting party or it could be as minor as a loss of credibility or paying damages.
The sad fact is.. even if court judgments are obtained who would be the enforment agency/"world police man".
Ricky Lim
A Country that broken international agreement - will lose credibility in the eyes of the World Community.
Eg. Trump is one of them, Dr M is another.
What it means is that, other Countries in the World will avoid enter into any agreement with them or start having mutual beneficial trade, business and investment initiatives with them.
Foreign investors will also stop coming in.
Their Countries will suffer a loss in business, trade, investment - and their people will suffer.
This are the consequences of breaking international agreement. They are deem untrustworthy, unreliable and lack integrity - in the eyes of the World and other Government or businessmen will rather not deal with them.
Eg. Trump is one of them, Dr M is another.
What it means is that, other Countries in the World will avoid enter into any agreement with them or start having mutual beneficial trade, business and investment initiatives with them.
Foreign investors will also stop coming in.
Their Countries will suffer a loss in business, trade, investment - and their people will suffer.
This are the consequences of breaking international agreement. They are deem untrustworthy, unreliable and lack integrity - in the eyes of the World and other Government or businessmen will rather not deal with them.
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