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Jm Chow
Who is GCT ?
Has he the authority to appoint the next PM...or to order young leaders to choose their own leaders?
Should young leader be choosing the next PM....Is this how PM are appointed in Singapore ?
Has he the authority to appoint the next PM...or to order young leaders to choose their own leaders?
Should young leader be choosing the next PM....Is this how PM are appointed in Singapore ?
Stella Wong
I just dont understand how do you not understand a simple article?
How is GCT appointing the next PM?
GCT's remarks acts as a REMINDER (emphasis for this) to the 4G team which is within he's duty as an advisor
grow a brain...
How is GCT appointing the next PM?
GCT's remarks acts as a REMINDER (emphasis for this) to the 4G team which is within he's duty as an advisor
grow a brain...
Ricky Lim ·
ESM GCT is our ex-PM and appointed as ESM as senior adviser to the Cabinet.
Out of respect for the current PM, the current Cabinet will not initiate the appointment of potential 4GL PM.
It require a Senior Statesman to initiate and catalyse the 4GL to appoint the 4GL PM soon - and what the ESM GCT do is not out-of-line.
Out of respect for the current PM, the current Cabinet will not initiate the appointment of potential 4GL PM.
It require a Senior Statesman to initiate and catalyse the 4GL to appoint the 4GL PM soon - and what the ESM GCT do is not out-of-line.
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Ricky Lim ·
Ricky Lim ·
If no one initiate, but the current Cabinet take the initiative - it will be seen as disrespectful to the current PM (which is a taboo).
So don't understand why such comments.
So don't understand why such comments.
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Swee Meng Ling
Ricky Lim
I concur. It would be better if LHL asked for it. But why he did not? My guess is GCT did that out of good concern. He did not insert a Goh into the PAP princelings, that is respectable (I hope I am not speaking too soon).
I concur. It would be better if LHL asked for it. But why he did not? My guess is GCT did that out of good concern. He did not insert a Goh into the PAP princelings, that is respectable (I hope I am not speaking too soon).
Ricky Lim ·
Swee Meng Ling -
Can imagine the scenario.
PM say to Cabinet - pse elect among yourself the next PM to replace me.
How will the Cabinet react - to replace their boss?
The PM may have initiated, but it is not easy for Cabinet to do so.
A senior Statesman seconded - will have provided the impetus.
Can imagine the scenario.
PM say to Cabinet - pse elect among yourself the next PM to replace me.
How will the Cabinet react - to replace their boss?
The PM may have initiated, but it is not easy for Cabinet to do so.
A senior Statesman seconded - will have provided the impetus.
Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
The PM should be fairly voted by people's choice.
Ricky Lim ·
Like Donald Trump ah?
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Ricky Lim ·
You will likely get a populist like Donald Trump instead of a competent PM.
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Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim Think your mind is in U.S. Singapore is different as the people mindset still far off to catch up with U.S mindset, in terms of politics.
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Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
Unless the Singapore citizens work closely with the potential PM and know his caliber, Singaporeans will not be able to know who has the PM caliber.
Unless the Singapore citizens work closely with the potential PM and know his caliber, Singaporeans will not be able to know who has the PM caliber.
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Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
If you still think that Singapore public can tell who has the PM caliber among the Cabinet, pse list down the strength of each candidate - and we will believe your hypothesis is correct.
If you still think that Singapore public can tell who has the PM caliber among the Cabinet, pse list down the strength of each candidate - and we will believe your hypothesis is correct.
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Ricky Lim ·
And if your selection criteria is based on :-
(1) hear say
(2) i like him or her - he or she is friendly
(3) i work with one of them - he or she is good (but i have not work with the rest)
---- then you are leaving everything to chance, perception or ti-kam.
It is not a systematic, robust and reliable method of choosing the potential 4GL PM.
(1) hear say
(2) i like him or her - he or she is friendly
(3) i work with one of them - he or she is good (but i have not work with the rest)
---- then you are leaving everything to chance, perception or ti-kam.
It is not a systematic, robust and reliable method of choosing the potential 4GL PM.
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Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim Your unless will never happen as it is fully pre-planed and manipulated. take PE election as an example and many people have knew.
Ricky Lim ·
The Lucas Lee - tell us, who do you think has the caliber of potential 4GL PM - and pse state your justifications.
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Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
While doing so, pse indicate have you work with him/her?
Have you also work with the rest of the candidates and understand each and everyone's strength and potential capabilities?
If you have not, how did you come out with your justifications?
While doing so, pse indicate have you work with him/her?
Have you also work with the rest of the candidates and understand each and everyone's strength and potential capabilities?
If you have not, how did you come out with your justifications?
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Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim There should be a fair system in place beforehand on the 4G PM vote. Call out tender to reach out to 4G calibre of PM and more will come. let the people vote and determine who should be the best to lead. This is a fair demoratic system i mean. It seems like you look like a forever frog staying in a well, from the way your comment is.
Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
HA ha ha ha --- call out tender and people will vote?
Many ah tu, ah niao, ah kau will come.
HA ha ha ha --- call out tender and people will vote?
Many ah tu, ah niao, ah kau will come.
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Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
Good people need to be fish out.
Not call tender --- ha ha ha ha
Good people need to be fish out.
Not call tender --- ha ha ha ha
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Ricky Lim ·
And Lucas Lee - you fail to address the fundamental issue - of how you go through the process of identifying competent candidate.
Not call tender please - ah tu, ah kow, ah niao will come.
Not call tender please - ah tu, ah kow, ah niao will come.
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Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim Don't jump the gun of suggesting selection criteria you have indicated. Are these are your criteria coming out from your mind? Again please, let the people decide, in the name of lord, Jesus. Amen.
Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee - Just to please you.
You volunter yourself to be the PM and let voters vote - just to end this discussion.
You volunter yourself to be the PM and let voters vote - just to end this discussion.
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Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim set up the criteria framework, qualifications and its process of elected PM under the rule, similar with the P.E before.
Call tender may work in other forms of strict process...you think out of box pls, Ricky. we are in 4G era.
Call tender may work in other forms of strict process...you think out of box pls, Ricky. we are in 4G era.
Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim what kind of fundamental issue? pls eloborate since u spark this.
Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim thanks for putting high hat on me but sorry to you that i don't favor this.
Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee - Then all with Doctorate can be the PM.
All those without Doctorate or Professor cannot be PM is it?
All those without Doctorate or Professor cannot be PM is it?
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Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee -
As a potential PM, he will have the caliber to have broad knowledge across all Ministries - Finance, Defense, Home Affairs, Health, Trade and Economy, Social, Education, Environment, Transport etc
In addition, he will also must have deep knowledge of main pivotal Ministries that make the Nation tick.
A PM without such knowledge will not be a competent PM.
Calling a tender - and let public choose - will fail this important criteria miserably.
This show how ignoraant you all - in determining the caliber of a PM.
As a potential PM, he will have the caliber to have broad knowledge across all Ministries - Finance, Defense, Home Affairs, Health, Trade and Economy, Social, Education, Environment, Transport etc
In addition, he will also must have deep knowledge of main pivotal Ministries that make the Nation tick.
A PM without such knowledge will not be a competent PM.
Calling a tender - and let public choose - will fail this important criteria miserably.
This show how ignoraant you all - in determining the caliber of a PM.
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Ricky Lim ·
And a potential PM must be visionary - able to identify likely problems and issues many years down the road, strategise, implement correct policies - so that such problems and issues will not arise to cause problem to Singapore and Singaporeans.
And a potential PM will be able to - understand the complex global landscape - understand any opportunities, threats that arise - and position Singapore to benefit from the opportunities and navigate Singapore from potential threats.
And a potential PM will be able to work for the benefits of all Singaporeans.
--- You think throwing a tender - you as a public can identify a potential PM?
And a potential PM will be able to - understand the complex global landscape - understand any opportunities, threats that arise - and position Singapore to benefit from the opportunities and navigate Singapore from potential threats.
And a potential PM will be able to work for the benefits of all Singaporeans.
--- You think throwing a tender - you as a public can identify a potential PM?
Most important, a potential PM - will be a strong Leader - that command the respect of not only the Cabinet, the MPs, his Party and the Civil Service.
A potential PM will also be a team player - where his Cabinet and Civil Service will support him and make him succeed.
A potential PM will also be respected by the leaders of the World as PM for Singapore.
A potential PM will also be a team player - where his Cabinet and Civil Service will support him and make him succeed.
A potential PM will also be respected by the leaders of the World as PM for Singapore.
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Ricky Lim ·
Ricky Lim ·
Lucas Lee - You think throw a tender, voters vote, and the above will support ?
This show how ignorant you are in choosing the next PM ----- and I think Singaporeans will shudder if go by your proposition of choosing a PM.
Most likely you will get a Donald Duck for Singapore.
This show how ignorant you are in choosing the next PM ----- and I think Singaporeans will shudder if go by your proposition of choosing a PM.
Most likely you will get a Donald Duck for Singapore.
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Ricky Lim ·
Ricky Lim ·
And finally, the potential PM will be able to lead his Party to win election - by getting Singaporeans to support him, confident of how he will lead Singapore to succeed.
Now only at this juncture, you can start to vote - the Party that will make Singapore succeed.
Now only at this juncture, you can start to vote - the Party that will make Singapore succeed.
This is how the democratic system that make Singapore work.
Not any oh how - copy only.
Not any oh how - copy only.
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Lucas Lee ·
Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim your tender in your mindset in only 1 form is the way you think. so u still a frog always in a small well.
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim not my ignorant you have think so, but the way you sound like you know the inside out of current system which u are in favor of. You should not biased against any opinion of others and be open to all feedbacks and not stick to your own rule, for the sake of your own selfish frog opinion.
Lucas Lee - enough say.
People will see whether your proposition is workable or not.
First you copy US system.
Then you copy PE system.
Then you talk about the civil service tender - and you don't understand the intricacies of tender.
This show you don't understand what is best for Singapore and how the Government operates.
Will not respond to you anymore.
People will see whether your proposition is workable or not.
First you copy US system.
Then you copy PE system.
Then you talk about the civil service tender - and you don't understand the intricacies of tender.
This show you don't understand what is best for Singapore and how the Government operates.
Will not respond to you anymore.
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Firros Rajah
And there is a saying, ' you can be married to someone for a lifetime and you would still not know him or her enough. So much for working with candidates and knowing their strengths and weaknesses
Firros Rajah
Looking at some discussions identifying a long list of criteria required of an aspiring PM, I do not think the pioneer leaders had most if not 20% of the criteria listed but they had one thing that fuelled their leadership. Strong survival instinct, commitment and dedication. That made the difference. Looking at the criteria discussed, absolutely no one would qualify or come close.
Lucas Lee ·
Works at Armee de l'air
Ricky Lim This is not a copy and paste system of what you have concluded in your stubborn mind. It should be a "Fair system" across singapore. Don;t you want a fair system? or you prefer a 1 sided system?
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Ricky Lim ·
Firros Rajah - you mention that pioneer leaders does not have 20% of the criteria listed but leadership is based on strong survival instinct, commitment and dedication.
You are correct.
But during the 1960s, Singapore is a marshland, there are no sizable Ministries that will fuel a modern Nation - and everything start from scratch.
It is starting from "zero" - as there are no benchmark.
But now in the 2017, the Government system are very developed, very well structured, very well-oiled, well-run ---- to tackle new challenges that Singapore and Singaporeans faced.
The criteria and caliber of a potential PM will be very different from the pioneer Leaders.
And you will be very surprised that there are talented people in Cabinet there are up to mark ---- but just that public Singaporeans may not know.
I will elaborate further.
You are correct.
But during the 1960s, Singapore is a marshland, there are no sizable Ministries that will fuel a modern Nation - and everything start from scratch.
It is starting from "zero" - as there are no benchmark.
But now in the 2017, the Government system are very developed, very well structured, very well-oiled, well-run ---- to tackle new challenges that Singapore and Singaporeans faced.
The criteria and caliber of a potential PM will be very different from the pioneer Leaders.
And you will be very surprised that there are talented people in Cabinet there are up to mark ---- but just that public Singaporeans may not know.
I will elaborate further.
Ricky Lim ·
There are 2 level of governance in Singapore.
(1) COPS - Committee of Permanent Secretary - that oversee and manage the Ministries and Statutory Boards.
(2) Cabinet - make up of political appointess - such as Minister, Minister-of-State etc.
A PM oversees the 2 level of governance.
(1) The COPS will held periodic meetings - chair by the Head of Civil Service - to discuss Ministries issues that cut across the various Ministries, Statutory Boards and Organs of States - discussion will touch on specific policies down to the lowest details.
(2) The Cabinet will also hold periodic meetings - chair by the PM - to discuss National issues - that cut across the various Ministries on policies with political considerations.
Cabinet Ministers will be heavily involved in the Cabinet meetings, plus many other appointment such as Select Committee, Party meetings etc ---- whereby issues that impact the Nation are vigorously discuss and debated.
Cabinet Ministers are profoundly expose to many important issues that cut across the Ministries - and will have a good grasp of the National issues and Global issues.
Outstanding candidates will stand out - that make the cut of a potential 4GL PM.
(1) COPS - Committee of Permanent Secretary - that oversee and manage the Ministries and Statutory Boards.
(2) Cabinet - make up of political appointess - such as Minister, Minister-of-State etc.
A PM oversees the 2 level of governance.
(1) The COPS will held periodic meetings - chair by the Head of Civil Service - to discuss Ministries issues that cut across the various Ministries, Statutory Boards and Organs of States - discussion will touch on specific policies down to the lowest details.
(2) The Cabinet will also hold periodic meetings - chair by the PM - to discuss National issues - that cut across the various Ministries on policies with political considerations.
Cabinet Ministers will be heavily involved in the Cabinet meetings, plus many other appointment such as Select Committee, Party meetings etc ---- whereby issues that impact the Nation are vigorously discuss and debated.
Cabinet Ministers are profoundly expose to many important issues that cut across the Ministries - and will have a good grasp of the National issues and Global issues.
Outstanding candidates will stand out - that make the cut of a potential 4GL PM.
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Ricky Lim ·
Basically, the potential 4GL PM - don't reinvent the wheel ---- but picked up from where the Pioneer Leaders, the 2nd GL Leaders, the 3rd GL Leaders from where it has build up ---- to further build on it and transform to lead Singapore into the 4GL and beyond.
So calling tenders and vote by Singaporean public is a no-no --- and it will be a Ha ha ha ha ---and Singapore may end up with a Donald Duck as PM rather than a competent 4GL PM.
So calling tenders and vote by Singaporean public is a no-no --- and it will be a Ha ha ha ha ---and Singapore may end up with a Donald Duck as PM rather than a competent 4GL PM.
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Ricky Lim ·
The potential 4GL PM - will be the BOB - "Best of the Best brain and heart" - to command the respect and support of the COPS and the Cabinet - who are at the Best.
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Ricky Lim ·
Ricky Lim ·
The 3rd level of governance - will be the MPs - and the veracity of Parliamentary debate to provide check and balance on the policies that emerge from the COPS and the Cabinet.
There are very tight, robust, reliable, veracity integrated interlocking systems - to fish, seive, hunt & pick up the best candidate.
Calling tender - public vote - can pick up the potential 4GL PM?
Probably, the ti-kam ti-kam method - will not be able to get pass the COPS level - not to mention the MPs and the Cabinet - much less the PM.
There are very tight, robust, reliable, veracity integrated interlocking systems - to fish, seive, hunt & pick up the best candidate.
Calling tender - public vote - can pick up the potential 4GL PM?
Probably, the ti-kam ti-kam method - will not be able to get pass the COPS level - not to mention the MPs and the Cabinet - much less the PM.
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