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Ricky Lim
Ricky Lim
Nevertheless, Singapore is encouraged that Malaysia has undertaken to take all effective measures to de-escalate the situation on the ground, and handle the situation in a calm and peaceful manner.
In the meantime, Malaysia reiterates "the importance of strong bilateral relations" between the two countries, said the ministry, adding that the country hopes discussions will "commence expeditiously".
Singapore said - Malaysia will be responsible for any untoward situations on the ground that arise from continued deployment of its vessels into this area.
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This means Singapore's patience is wearing thin.
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Nevertheless, Singapore is encouraged that Malaysia has undertaken to take all effective measures to de-escalate the situation on the ground, and handle the situation in a calm and peaceful manner.
In the meantime, Malaysia reiterates "the importance of strong bilateral relations" between the two countries, said the ministry, adding that the country hopes discussions will "commence expeditiously".
Singapore said - Malaysia will be responsible for any untoward situations on the ground that arise from continued deployment of its vessels into this area.
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This means Singapore's patience is wearing thin.
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Surjeet Sanghar
Well when u hv high ranking ex military officer's as leader's this sort of confrontion is bound to happen it time we learn to respect live n at live attitude in such situations. Wat a shame we have highly paid minister's n technology yet we got into such a situation looks the ppl in charge of our Frontline protection been caught sleeping on the job again a lesson from the little India riots hv not taught our home team much sad fingers are pointed at all direction the truth our defense team are over contented.
Ricky Lim
Surjeet Sanghar - When US naval armed ships drive through China's claim South China Sea - China can only send its armed ship to intercept - but still have no choice to stop it but to let it "intrude".
Singapore have sophisticated radar and is able to see intruding ships coming and intercept them - and "did not sleep in the job" as what you have said.
To stop unarmed ships - you can escort it out with bigger ships or storm its ship.
But when encountering armed ships - the interception and forcing it out --- is no longer that easy - because it can fire its weapons - and to stop it is to fire back --- and both will suffer collateral damage.
As we have superior tech assets - that can overwhelm the intruding vessels - such as sending unmanned steatlh warship to ram it out or fire on it to stop the intrusion ----- what comes is the "unintended consequences of long term hostility".
Do we want to transform South East Asia into Middle East?
This is the consequences we have to ponder over - before we act.
Unless, we have exhausted all diplomatic means - and they still want to do unreasonable provocation - and our patience have completely run out (that is they have breached our tolerance limit) ---- then it become justifiable to do the "kill" and get all intruding vessels out.
Under International Law - we can do so - if anyone intrude into our territory and refuse to leave despite numerous warning - and we have exhausted all diplomatic means.
(Note :- Of course I am not suggesting sacrificing one stealth unmanned warship - as we have better assets to do a clean job).
Singapore have sophisticated radar and is able to see intruding ships coming and intercept them - and "did not sleep in the job" as what you have said.
To stop unarmed ships - you can escort it out with bigger ships or storm its ship.
But when encountering armed ships - the interception and forcing it out --- is no longer that easy - because it can fire its weapons - and to stop it is to fire back --- and both will suffer collateral damage.
As we have superior tech assets - that can overwhelm the intruding vessels - such as sending unmanned steatlh warship to ram it out or fire on it to stop the intrusion ----- what comes is the "unintended consequences of long term hostility".
Do we want to transform South East Asia into Middle East?
This is the consequences we have to ponder over - before we act.
Unless, we have exhausted all diplomatic means - and they still want to do unreasonable provocation - and our patience have completely run out (that is they have breached our tolerance limit) ---- then it become justifiable to do the "kill" and get all intruding vessels out.
Under International Law - we can do so - if anyone intrude into our territory and refuse to leave despite numerous warning - and we have exhausted all diplomatic means.
(Note :- Of course I am not suggesting sacrificing one stealth unmanned warship - as we have better assets to do a clean job).
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Ricky Lim
Under Article 3 - UN Law of Sea
Peacetime use of Force, Military Activities, and the
New Law of the Sea
B. USE OF FORCE IN THE TERRITORIAL SEA
Apart from a situation of belligerency, the occasions in which the
territorial sea has been the theater for acts of force arise in two typical
situations.
The first occurs when coastal states react against what they
perceive as a provocative or offensive act by foreign ships.
The second situation arises when a foreign state acts to assert navigational claims
against the coastal state.
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Malaysia intruding vessels infringe both situation --- that justify our Armed Forces - can use force to deal with the intruding vessels in Singapore Territorial Water.
Peacetime use of Force, Military Activities, and the
New Law of the Sea
B. USE OF FORCE IN THE TERRITORIAL SEA
Apart from a situation of belligerency, the occasions in which the
territorial sea has been the theater for acts of force arise in two typical
situations.
The first occurs when coastal states react against what they
perceive as a provocative or offensive act by foreign ships.
The second situation arises when a foreign state acts to assert navigational claims
against the coastal state.
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Malaysia intruding vessels infringe both situation --- that justify our Armed Forces - can use force to deal with the intruding vessels in Singapore Territorial Water.
Ricky Lim
Breeke Lo - Well my statement is "When US naval armed ships drive through China's claim South China Sea".
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Swee Meng Ling
Ricky Lim
Ageed on the first part. We cannot afford to go into a conflict, not for short term and definitely not for long term. Worst to have is a small conflict, and having it for a long time. If conflict is unavoidable, it cannot be a small one, that can drag long and drag us down. It has to be made a big short one that has a redefinition effect, so we can be protected, and any factors that can be a long term pain need to be addressed at the beginning.
He knew, wasn't stupid then, dont think going to stupid this time also.
Ageed on the first part. We cannot afford to go into a conflict, not for short term and definitely not for long term. Worst to have is a small conflict, and having it for a long time. If conflict is unavoidable, it cannot be a small one, that can drag long and drag us down. It has to be made a big short one that has a redefinition effect, so we can be protected, and any factors that can be a long term pain need to be addressed at the beginning.
He knew, wasn't stupid then, dont think going to stupid this time also.
Swee Meng Ling
Breeke Lo
I disagree with you on the South China Sea things. Anyway, she shall need everyone support if we really have to take action, and without China support, it shall be extremely difficult.
He only stopped when we send a strong signal that we going to play BIG. Last round, he walked off defeated, bitterly and started his NS programme in Malaysia. He is trying us again to see if we can play BIG. He knows we cannot afford to play small for extended period of time. After warnings, shall br more international medias and roadshow, then.....
I disagree with you on the South China Sea things. Anyway, she shall need everyone support if we really have to take action, and without China support, it shall be extremely difficult.
He only stopped when we send a strong signal that we going to play BIG. Last round, he walked off defeated, bitterly and started his NS programme in Malaysia. He is trying us again to see if we can play BIG. He knows we cannot afford to play small for extended period of time. After warnings, shall br more international medias and roadshow, then.....
Ricky Lim
Swee Meng Ling - No one in the right mind wants confrontation and conflict.
Everyone knows it.
In ASEAN - no body wants conflict.
But this old man is a total disposition - where he like to pick fights with almost everyone - all his successors - and external neighbors and even SuperPowers.
We have a tolerance limit. As long as he is doing it within our tolerance limit - unlikely we will want a fight.
But once he exceeded our tolerance limit - with unreasonable provocation and exhausted all diplomatic means ----- we may have no choice but to act in accordance to International Law.
As I quote the UN Law of Sea - it is within our jurisdiction to use force to chase the intruding vessels out --- if we have exhausted all diplomatic means.
Hopefully we don't have to use it..........
Everyone knows it.
In ASEAN - no body wants conflict.
But this old man is a total disposition - where he like to pick fights with almost everyone - all his successors - and external neighbors and even SuperPowers.
We have a tolerance limit. As long as he is doing it within our tolerance limit - unlikely we will want a fight.
But once he exceeded our tolerance limit - with unreasonable provocation and exhausted all diplomatic means ----- we may have no choice but to act in accordance to International Law.
As I quote the UN Law of Sea - it is within our jurisdiction to use force to chase the intruding vessels out --- if we have exhausted all diplomatic means.
Hopefully we don't have to use it..........
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Breeke Lo
Pls exercise our rights to protect our sovereignty. Fire a few rounds to show we're no pushovers. It's self defence, it's a legitimate response anywhere in the world. It is NOT a declaration of war.
And it WILL NOT escalate to war. Both sides know that the side who make the first strike loses. Both are FPDA members and as soon as either side is attacked, notwithstanding that the attacker is another FPDA member, the FPDA arrangement is invoked.
The attacker will be easily subdued by Britain, Aussie, Nz, and will then face economic sanctions from rest of world and starve like DPRK. Neither SG or MY is like Russia, who can ward off allied retaliation AND can self sustain without others. There will be no war. Defend our sovereignty now.
And it WILL NOT escalate to war. Both sides know that the side who make the first strike loses. Both are FPDA members and as soon as either side is attacked, notwithstanding that the attacker is another FPDA member, the FPDA arrangement is invoked.
The attacker will be easily subdued by Britain, Aussie, Nz, and will then face economic sanctions from rest of world and starve like DPRK. Neither SG or MY is like Russia, who can ward off allied retaliation AND can self sustain without others. There will be no war. Defend our sovereignty now.
Philip Chan
The MY vessels maybe will leave once their food supply onboard runs out. SG needs to make sure that no other MY vessels re-enter the area again.
Ricky Lim
Breeke Lo - you can do so by mining the boundary with sea mines.
But this will have the consequences of commercial ships accidentally hitting the mine - and got damage.
In peace time, no one will plant sea mines along its territorial water -- it will be crazy (and it could infringe UN Law of Sea - too thick a document to dig)
No Countries in the World can stop naval intrusion - unless ramming it or destroying it.
By ramming it - we are wasting our asset by damaging it.
By destroying it - means we fire a missile when it is approaching.
What we have done - is already maximum restraints and patience. But our patience are starting to run out.
But this will have the consequences of commercial ships accidentally hitting the mine - and got damage.
In peace time, no one will plant sea mines along its territorial water -- it will be crazy (and it could infringe UN Law of Sea - too thick a document to dig)
No Countries in the World can stop naval intrusion - unless ramming it or destroying it.
By ramming it - we are wasting our asset by damaging it.
By destroying it - means we fire a missile when it is approaching.
What we have done - is already maximum restraints and patience. But our patience are starting to run out.
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Swee Meng Ling
Ricky Lim
If we cannot play just at Tuas. Once we play, it is the whole game because Singapore as a whole is not much bigger than Tuas.
If we cannot play just at Tuas. Once we play, it is the whole game because Singapore as a whole is not much bigger than Tuas.
Swee Meng Ling - I know what you mean.
But we have to see how this old man play things out.
Every measures is on the desk.
Be calm and unite behind our Singapore Government.
But we have to see how this old man play things out.
Every measures is on the desk.
Be calm and unite behind our Singapore Government.
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Alvin Leong
Question: if we shoot at their ship from our side, will we not be firing into their water and therefore an act of war?
If we shoot from the other side, then will our warship not need to enter their waters to do it? Also an act of war. Plus not sure if shooting towards Singapore is a good idea.
If we shoot from the other side, then will our warship not need to enter their waters to do it? Also an act of war. Plus not sure if shooting towards Singapore is a good idea.
Jm Chow
Breeke Lo
Well said.
ALL Singaporeans, (most are NS man)...are standing behind them....want to drive the Malaysian ship away from our waters.
Our SAF is ready .. (CCS said...with the Malaysian ship inside our waters, accident can happen...Defence Minister Ng said our war ships have been deployed to stop intruders)
Singaporeans are prepared... (the outpouring against Malaysian intrusion is palpable.)
NO reason whatsoever for our leader...to act like NATO.
It is puzzling ...and very disappointing . Our leader FAILED to stand up ...to stand tall ....for our soverign rights.
Hope ..our leaders have the courage to do the right thing soon.
Well said.
ALL Singaporeans, (most are NS man)...are standing behind them....want to drive the Malaysian ship away from our waters.
Our SAF is ready .. (CCS said...with the Malaysian ship inside our waters, accident can happen...Defence Minister Ng said our war ships have been deployed to stop intruders)
Singaporeans are prepared... (the outpouring against Malaysian intrusion is palpable.)
NO reason whatsoever for our leader...to act like NATO.
It is puzzling ...and very disappointing . Our leader FAILED to stand up ...to stand tall ....for our soverign rights.
Hope ..our leaders have the courage to do the right thing soon.
Ricky Lim
Alvin Leong - I think when all the diplomatic means are exhausted, if the intruding vessels still refuse to leave - when the issue is submitted to the International Court -- we may act.
Under the UN Law of Sea - it is within our jurisdiction to use forces on the intruding vessels - as it has intruded into our Singapore Territorial Water - despite numerous warnings and all diplomatic means have been exhausted.
It is not act of war.
Under UN Law of Sea - it is "Peacetime use of Force, Military Activities, and the
New Law of the Sea" --- where the force is restricted to the used on the unauthorised foreign vessels intrusion into our Territorial Water - where forces are used to remove the foriegn vessels out of our water (using whatever means).
But of course our Armed Forces must stand ready - in case there is an escalation of conflict.
I believe there are many ways to force the intruding vessels out.
- for unarmed vessels
- for armed vessels
How we shoot from which sides --- our Armed Forces will know how to do it. It may not be even from either sides.
When we do so, we do not guarantee the safety of the intruding vessels.
Under the UN Law of Sea - it is within our jurisdiction to use forces on the intruding vessels - as it has intruded into our Singapore Territorial Water - despite numerous warnings and all diplomatic means have been exhausted.
It is not act of war.
Under UN Law of Sea - it is "Peacetime use of Force, Military Activities, and the
New Law of the Sea" --- where the force is restricted to the used on the unauthorised foreign vessels intrusion into our Territorial Water - where forces are used to remove the foriegn vessels out of our water (using whatever means).
But of course our Armed Forces must stand ready - in case there is an escalation of conflict.
I believe there are many ways to force the intruding vessels out.
- for unarmed vessels
- for armed vessels
How we shoot from which sides --- our Armed Forces will know how to do it. It may not be even from either sides.
When we do so, we do not guarantee the safety of the intruding vessels.
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Abdul Hameed
Ricky Lim
Have You See The Videos Of The Tengku Abdul Rahman Arguments With LKY ?
He Pushed The Boundries Beyong Expectations Or Thinkables And He Is Above The Leagues. He Was Laughed At And Took Every Humalatings , Criticism And Sarsactics Waiting Patiencely For A Pin Hole And Pound On It And Feed The Late Tengku With His Own Words. He Won The Battle But Loss The War When The Late Denouse Singapore From Part Of Malaysia. Tengku Was Later Being Criticism And Judged By His Own People. But What He Did Is Saving BN Or UMNO From PAP Ruling Malaysia And That Is A True.
Leaders With Great Visionarie
Is A Skilled Borned Leader.
Forget Not , So Is Dr.M Too.
If Were Not Agreeing He Is Borned
Leader , But He Learned And Mastered.
LHL is Not A Borned Leaders Like His Father LKY So Does His Parliment Ministers. He Failed To Pick Up The Skills From Our Great Visionary When He Was Alive.
Now THe Safe Guarding OF The Country Soverity Patroctics Words From Our Ministers Will Be Push Down Forcefully Into Thier Throats When Dr.M Retrive The Delegation Of The Malaysian Airspace.
LKY Won On The Logics Beyond Imaginations And Expectatioms But Loss The Ground To The Facts Who Has The Final Said.
History Do Repeat By Itself.
Have You See The Videos Of The Tengku Abdul Rahman Arguments With LKY ?
He Pushed The Boundries Beyong Expectations Or Thinkables And He Is Above The Leagues. He Was Laughed At And Took Every Humalatings , Criticism And Sarsactics Waiting Patiencely For A Pin Hole And Pound On It And Feed The Late Tengku With His Own Words. He Won The Battle But Loss The War When The Late Denouse Singapore From Part Of Malaysia. Tengku Was Later Being Criticism And Judged By His Own People. But What He Did Is Saving BN Or UMNO From PAP Ruling Malaysia And That Is A True.
Leaders With Great Visionarie
Is A Skilled Borned Leader.
Forget Not , So Is Dr.M Too.
If Were Not Agreeing He Is Borned
Leader , But He Learned And Mastered.
LHL is Not A Borned Leaders Like His Father LKY So Does His Parliment Ministers. He Failed To Pick Up The Skills From Our Great Visionary When He Was Alive.
Now THe Safe Guarding OF The Country Soverity Patroctics Words From Our Ministers Will Be Push Down Forcefully Into Thier Throats When Dr.M Retrive The Delegation Of The Malaysian Airspace.
LKY Won On The Logics Beyond Imaginations And Expectatioms But Loss The Ground To The Facts Who Has The Final Said.
History Do Repeat By Itself.
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Abdul Hameed
Historý Repeat By Itself...
Won The Battles In Logics
Loss The War On Facts.
Who Has The Final Said.
Won The Battles In Logics
Loss The War On Facts.
Who Has The Final Said.
Abdul Hameed - This old man just want cheap publicity to divert attention to his internal political woes - he so called "born leader" - are just trying to do some sensational stunts and ploy - for some short term gain - with no long term benefits for his Country and his people.
Singapore on the other hand - has progress with leap and bound in Economy, Military, Social Cohesion, Wealth and Advancement in almost every fields.
This old man so call "achievement" pale in comparison.
Singapore can prevail in this confrontation - Singaporeans regardless of races or religions must unite behind our Government.
Looking at how our Government approach the issue - I think we are on the right track - measured, appropriate, exhausting all diplomatic means --- to give them opportunity to stop and retract their intrusion.
And finally when all peaceful means are exhausted and they still do unreasonable provocation - our Forces may act - and it will be "swift and decisive".
Singapore don't mince its words !
Singapore on the other hand - has progress with leap and bound in Economy, Military, Social Cohesion, Wealth and Advancement in almost every fields.
This old man so call "achievement" pale in comparison.
Singapore can prevail in this confrontation - Singaporeans regardless of races or religions must unite behind our Government.
Looking at how our Government approach the issue - I think we are on the right track - measured, appropriate, exhausting all diplomatic means --- to give them opportunity to stop and retract their intrusion.
And finally when all peaceful means are exhausted and they still do unreasonable provocation - our Forces may act - and it will be "swift and decisive".
Singapore don't mince its words !
Swee Meng Ling
Breeke Lo
If they are thinking what I am thinking. We need time to build up our case to our own people, and to the international audiences to gather for the eventual support. If it is a knee jerk reaction, we shall play right into his hand as he wished. They can afford tic for tac, small conflict over extended period of time we cannot. If all else fail, and after the many rounds of warnings, shall come siezures, or imprisonment on site, then we need to suffer causualty like sunken boats, then we can response in the way we want. Any long term pain that can surface in future need to taken care as early in the conflict as possible.
If they are thinking what I am thinking. We need time to build up our case to our own people, and to the international audiences to gather for the eventual support. If it is a knee jerk reaction, we shall play right into his hand as he wished. They can afford tic for tac, small conflict over extended period of time we cannot. If all else fail, and after the many rounds of warnings, shall come siezures, or imprisonment on site, then we need to suffer causualty like sunken boats, then we can response in the way we want. Any long term pain that can surface in future need to taken care as early in the conflict as possible.
Masa Soh Mengming
Breeke Lo If so, it will backfire. Under ESM and MM, the track record is us mobilising and becoming battle ready. I fully expect our dear PM to do the same otherwise I am going to call him "Pinky" too, or Ma Yingjeou II!
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