Thursday, December 13, 2018

I hope that Singapore and Malaysia can find a 'win-win situation': Johor crown prince
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Singapore has never want any conflict and confrontation with Malaysia.
Singapore has always want to have mutual benefit with Malaysia.

It is always the old hat that started it.
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Analysts from both sides - analyse that :--
(1) It is always the old hat technique to choose an adversary (whether internal or external) - create a crisis - to divert away from his internal political problem.
This time - he pick Singapore to be his boogeyman.

We will not let him be easy to make use of us for his political gain.
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Lynn Lee
We understand the Royal family is in a difficult position under old snake. We have respect for the Royal family.
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K Tan Don
I am sorry, but what difficult position are they in? .they are still living comfortably, very rich,..one of the richest royal family in Malaysia and very powerful and respected by the Johor people..they are getting used to the new Johor MB .there are many more people in extremely difficult position...I don't agree with the assertion that the Johor Royal family in difficult position..well they have some disagreements and different ideas with our federal government, that's all..we don't need outsiders to create more enmity between the Johor Royal family and our federal government..thank u.
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Nur Bazilah Joha
K Tan Don you are funny. Difficult situation does not necessarily mean it has to do with financial. In this context, it means where it stands between the dispute.
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K Tan Don
Nur Bazilah Joha As long as royal families are not involved in politics, they will not be in difficult position..I am not sure how much you know about Malaysia affair or following the happening in our countries, it is best not to interfere into our country issue, especialy involving the royal families. Anyway, I can see our federal government, especially Tun is easy punching bag for Singaporeans..well, some issues may also be related to the state government..which nobody even seem to take note.
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Eric Foo
K Tan Don You are either a retard kid or trying to twist the facts.Tun a Singapore punching bag ? He draw first blood when he suggested Singapore should also change government, keep asking for revision of water agreement when they missed the opportunity in 1987, sending vessels into Singapore water etc....now go lick his hairy balls before he kick the bucket. But have to remind you that you are just a 2nd class slave to the bumis ..if your name goes as suggested.2nd class citizen has no right to talk
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Georgie Lee
Definitely, not the Johore Royal Family. Just that they do not want that 93 year old snake to poke his nose into their affairs.
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K Tan Don
Eric Foo, that is right, Tun will always be a punching bag..seriously have u guys ever considered the Johor port expansion is a state government initiative? Another example, Forest City land reclamation..who is involved ? Many lands are reclaimed near Singapore..why? Are these land reclaimation planned by Federal government? I would not deny that Tun created some problems tor u guys..we know u guys hated him very much, so naturally every single issue between Sg-Mys, u guys will curse n swear at him, no? Will u accept this fact ot will u deny this fact? Whether we are 2nd class citizens that is between us n our government..we will settle ourselves..well u are welcome to present some twisted facts too..thank u
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Adeline Cheo
Not all are like His Royal Highness who is very humble and open minded. The two countries have all along had many things in common especially food and inter marriages amongst both sides citizens who are residing and transiting very regularly between both Countries. Why allow outside interference to instigate you to instill hate and division and also attempts at muscle flexing, making a good relationship to feel sour????????
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Paul Tan
You r perfectly right From what i c the one state which wud b most impacted by sg/mys feud is none other than Johore
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Arthur Law
As a Singaporean Chinese. Johor crown prince has my respect.
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Georgie Lee
Mine too.
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Shaun Chng
Seconded
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Wan Wan
Comment by a wise man.
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Daniel Goh
...har??

...if you are a Special Branch officer and a SF commander/operator would you make your identity known...?
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Georgie Lee
They are no more with the Special Branch. So no harm.
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Georgie Lee
If only that 93 year old snake and his baruas have a little brain and be respectful of Singapore there will be no problem.Was there any problem when Najib was the PM? We were like brothers. But now there is endless problem everyday. Even that ex Defence Minister advocate war against Singapore. He is a real Bodoh who doesnt know the consequences.
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K Tan Don
That is why we booted out Najib..he is a zombie with no brain at all, only thinking about $$$ to enrich himself and his witch..ex Defence minister advocate war against Singapore..now you know BN people are not to be trusted..
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Georgie Lee
K Tan Don That ex Defence Minister is about to change coat because he needs a job. Otherwise, there is no smoke in his kitchen. Najib has not been proven guilty as yet. Dont think MACC is capable of handling Najib's case. We never had any problem when Najib was the PM. Do you remember that 93 year old snake came to Singapore to renegotiate the water agreement which he had signed. What is an agreement then? Who is more trustworthy then- Najib or that 93 year old snake.
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Georgie Lee
Johore has always been our good friends. We need to help them. Be it water or anything else. Unlike that 93 year old snake they are always grateful and respectable people.
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Georgie Lee
When come to the LAW OF THE SEA we have an expert in Prof Tommy Koh. Has Malaysia anyone who can come close to him? No Lah! Only those half baked or they call dua kali lima type. Strangely there are many of those type in Malaysia today who profess to know alot but actually they know nothing. That is why Malaysia is still so backward.
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Tommie Vale
The crown prince is life long but Dr M is going to say good bye soon to another place. So Singapore and Malaysia are best friends forever BFF.
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K Tan Don
That depend on how your govern react..if they react strongly to the issues now, giving no room to our government, the hostilities may last longer than you though..
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Jim Ihope
It seems that most of the time, the dirt is always kicked up by our closest neighbour. We have live peacefully & always find ways to work on positive matters that will benefit all. In this instant it is evident that the air & sea dispute arises from the New Administration. Unfortunately the leader is the 93 years old who has always envied Singapore & have been a "stone in his shoes". It has always been a "win win win" situation for Malaysia & Singapore. Our integrity goes way beyond our borders & are well respected worldwide. However, this 93 year old PM who is most likely suffering from "OCD" & "Post Menopausal Syndrome" just cannot live with it. The only time he can accept us with respect is when he "RIP".
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K Tan Don
Nope it has not always ending with win-win situation..for you guys is win-win..but for us is most of the time losing situation..otherwise these issues will not reappear and new issue will not pop-up. Your win-win situation is stick to agreement..Don't you know the ghost will always pester you unless it gets what it want ? The longer it wait, the more it will pester you..what happen if Tun lives longer than you guys hoped for ? Also what makes you think Anwar will definitely kowtow to you guys like Najib did and what makes you think he guarantee will be PM ?
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Jim Ihope
K Tan Don
Is it a good culture to make agreement & change it? At the government level, all legal matters are thoroughly studied & all parties agree to sign willfully. Maybe dishonouring agreements is a Malaysian culture but is not an international norm. This is why Singapore has good standing worldwide & we are recognize as a first world country. Malaysia not only keeps breaking agreements but your politicians even use cronies to use explosive to killed those they do not like. Your country has multiple problems regarding race discrimination, corruption & leaders that cannot keep their words. Ask yourself, why is your country with many resources & yet in financial difficulties? Simply because your leaders do not know the meaning of honour, integrity,honesty & legality. Your PM says must follow the " rule of law",what he meant is follow the "kampong rule of law". You must be from the "kampong" too. You still wear "sarong"? Behind time!! Hihihihihi
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K Tan Don
Jim Ihope : We are trying to stick to agreement, for example, we only ask to renegotiate the price of water for once, but Singapore perversely interpreted it that if we didn't ask for that in 1986, we have no right to ask for revision now..so is that a win-win situation ? If you guys are more for a win-win situation, the least you should do is to negotiate a lower tariff than what we asked for, example, we ask for 50 sen for raw water, you propose 30 sen..then we come to a consensus..terms and conditions fullfilled..case closed..that will be a win-win situation..let me know if my argument is flaw. The more longer this smalll issue drag, this will create more frustration and more new issues..will pop up..so tell me how do we deal with people who make use of loopholes in agreement..if you guys are serious to avoid more new bilateral issues to pop-up, it may be the best interest for you guys to work on those long term dispute which you guys can afford...it is not that we demand your government to return the CPF monies to our workers from Penisula Malaysia..that will have more serious implication..
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - your old hat will always find any sort of excuse with Singapore - to divert attention from his political problem - whether he pick his internal people such as his successors as adversay or he pick Singapore.

Listen here - we will not easily give in - in any of the issues he raise - whether how uncomfortable the situation is - and whether how long your old hat last.


We can adopt tougher stands in all the issues -- because your old hat has not much leverages against us - not water, not eggs, not vegetables, not even military, not economics.

And one more thing, we still reserve our right of action - on your last intruding vessel.
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don -
(1) Johor economy - S$16.6 billion (RM$50 billion) - come from Singapore's shoppers. If we boycott you - Malaysia economy will be down by S$16.6 billion (RM$50 billion).

Now you are facing (RM$42 billion) deficit - if we stop going to Johor - you will have (RM$92 billion) deficit.

(2) If your side decide not to sell your eggs to Singapore - we will buy from Thailand plus other sources - Brazil, US etc. Thailand eggs is as competitive as Malaysia - and if we switch to Thailand --- your eggs business will bye bye from now on.

(3) If your side decide not to sell vegetables to Singapore - we will buy from Philippines plus China (2nd largest supplier to us) etc. Philippines and China vegetable prices are as competitive as Malaysia - and if we switch to Philipines - your vegetables business will bye bye from now on.

In total, few hundred millions of dollars agriculture business from Malaysia - will be wipe out overnight.

You want to talk some more --- we have still many economic measures in the pipeline.
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Jim Ihope
K Tan Don
The gest is that, what if the table is turn around and we ask for water prices to be lower? Prices of water agreements was signed at an international level & recognized by United Nations. We honour that in 1986 the price of water can be change either way but nothing happened. There are always loopholes in any agreements but is for those leaders responsible to iron it out and agree. There is no such thing as 100% fool proof agreements. But they are irrevocable & there are penalties for any party who fail to honour it.This is to safe guard all interest fairly. Either party can break an agreement but must be prepared to pay the penalties. Using bullying tactic is not the answer. Most honourable countries do not like to break international treaties or agreements because it will set precedence to more conflicts. Therefore all government has the responsibility to study all cases thoroughly before putting it on paper & signing it. With regards to LKY & Mahathir negotiation on water , it was almost concluded but the issue was, when can the price be effected. According to the agreement, it can only be effected after the first agreement expires ie. 2062. But the whole issue was not about the water agreement, it was a disguise to cover the issue about the loan that Mahathir wanted from LKY during the currency crisis of 1998.Mahathir wanted an interest free loan from Singapore. However, LKY did not agree because the funds would have come from the CPF of citizens of Singapore & those Malaysians working in Singapore. How will Singapore service the CPF interest if the loan is granted without interest? Many a time Mahathir has been incoherent & irresponsible in his decisions,creating uncomfortable relationship which is unnecessary. In this case there is a very obvious similarity. Malaysia is in debt of M$1 trillion.
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K Tan Don
Jim Ihope :You got to be kidding us..3 sen is not low enough ? Sir, can you put up a stronger argument ?
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - you know what is a signed international agreement?
You don't know how to respect signed agreement is it?

I have said before - if you not happy - contest it in the International Court - we will always be ready for you.

And every issues that your old hat raise --- we will have very effective economic measures to counter it - and your side will have more pain than us.
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - Our AVA just announced that we are monitoring the supply and prices of eggs coming from Malaysia.
So far not much changes.

But AVA standy ready to ramp up supplies from other sources for egg supplies - if any changes come from Malaysia side.

This include ramping up supplies - from Thailand and other sources. Once we go to other suppliers from other Countries - you will lose us for a long long time. Then you will have to consume it internally and if there are excess you can use your rotten eggs to throw at one another.

We don't talk tough - we will act and will respond effectively according to your old hat action.


AVA has secured food supply chain from 127 sources from as many different Countries - if food source don't come from Malaysia - no problem to Singapore. 
The one who lose big is Malaysia - not Singapore.
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Jun Sheng Lim
K Tan Don Do u know how to even put up an argument? Singapore bully Malaysia??? Joker lah how is it possible when we say we want to be friends while mahatir tries to create trouble for us?
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Brian Soh
K Tan Don Mind explaining why you keep harping it is a win-lose for SG and MY respectively, barring all that have been known via the social media?
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K Tan Don 3 sen again....till now, this is all you can say? Then should we talk about the 50 sen of which it isn't even the true price of the treated water being sold back to Johore?

Do you know what is the total water usage of Johore? Do you know why this agreement which was signed not once but twice was enforced?

Can you debate in a better manner which is more constructive other than harping on a need to review the water agreement etc?

You are beginning to show me that you are pretty shallow.
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K Tan Don
Brian Soh whether is 3 sen, 50 sen for raw water, or price for treated water, are we in position to negotiate ? No..then what's the use of you commenting on it..if it is open for negotation..then let the governments discuss.
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K Tan Don
Ricky Lim : You are welcome to source food from various countries..did I ever mentioned you don't have that freedom.. I believe the eggs issue is because we don't have enough eggs for our people..
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Jim Ihope
K Tan Don
My point is that either party can be incoherent. If both parties keep to the signed agreement, there will be no issues at all. Who is the one who rock the boat???
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Brian Soh
K Tan Don Base on your reply, why are we all on this since that's your take. Most, if not all news presented so far are not within our control/influences nor decision making. So why are you still here commenting? :)
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Ricky Lim
Brian Soh - Never mind - let him comment. His comment has helped us.
We can espond accordingly.
Most of the times, the message is not for him.
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Yves Lee
Jim Ihope What a good and true statement...The whole world is always watching
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K Tan Don
Brian Soh : I apologise if i comment too much..maybe I picked up this habit one year ago, commenting against tons of BN cybertroopers..suddenly they are all gone after BN lost...but I promise I never comment on Singapore internal policies.I also refrain calling your leaders by any nickname..just make some comments related to SG-MYS issues..
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Yves Lee
Just like his grand father,Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim has a personal wish.He wishes that one day during his rule,Johor will be fully independence from the Malaysia federation.And form an alliance with Singapore and Brunei.All the very best to the Prince.
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K Tan Don
See you are interfering with our internal affairs.
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Yves Lee
K Tan Don This is not interference...this is his comment in his facebook go check it out.
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K Tan Don
Yves Lee : It is up to TMJ to put whatever he wants in his facebook. Please note that to breakaway from Malaysia is a betrayal to Agong..which is a serious charge in Malaysia..so by advertising that claim of TMJ, do you want TMJ to carry that charge ?
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Yves Lee
K Tan Don Go check the constitution in msia first to see if there is such a clause
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Tan Alan
Of course, amicable negotiation between neighbouring countries (even so for HDB neighbours) does not put our young men/women in jeopardy of unnecessary posturing of war!

Stirring "Fake NATIONALISTIC SENTIMENTS" khaw-bei-khaw-bu and sending in "naval ships" against "neighbour's government vessels" is treacherous and treasonous!!!

Massive FEAR n DESPERATION of a DISHONOURABLE SON will be "amplified"...from another 3rd party INTERNATIONAL SHAME... period!!!
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TMJ - you have to tell your 93 year old snake not to be too defiant and be respectful of Singapore.
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K Tan Don
Hello, that 93 years old is even defiant with his daddy..come on..don't make him quarrel with an old man...ask your PM to tell that to our PM..
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Georgie Lee
K Tan Don Our PM doesnt want to waste his breath talking to a 93 year old snake. He can flip flop anytime. He is two sides of the same coin. Never heard that 93 year old snake has a father. Does your 93 year old snake any etiquette? As a PM he is a disgrace.
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K Tan Don
Georgie Lee : Doesn't want to waste time, or doesn't dare to tell the grand old man ? It is open for interpretation...you need our prince help to tell the grand old man..you asked our Prince to tell Tun not to be defiant....you want TMJ to get into trouble with Tun..tsk tsk..naughty u..
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Georgie Lee
K Tan Don It all depends how you want to interprete it. Your TMJ is our good friend.He is very appreciative of us supplying FW to Johore. Time and again he doesnt agree with your 93 year old snake. Did you read his last twit?
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K Tan Don
Georgie Lee : If TMJ is your good friend, then you should ask his help to speak something logical to Tun..not ask him to tell Tun not to be defiant..you want to put your good friend in trouble ?
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Georgie Lee
K Tan Don Sorry, no time to waste with a kid like you.
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K Tan Don
Georgie Lee Then why are you responding to me ?
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Sundar Kannan
Finally the rubber has hit the road. Racism was so prevalent and painful in this country that folks like me actually left. Now, the notion of being self righteous (hilarious calling Dr.M a snake when the biggest one hit the bucket few years ago)Not long ago my mom could not sit in a bus being stared at by the boat people who was running away from communist China.She used to say how ungrateful they were after accepting them with open arms. Made fun of my language which was 4000 years old as opposed to you know what. Now China is your saviour, LOL. The chicken has come to roost. Let's play this out and see who wins: I'm watching from a theatre of dreams.
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S A Nathan Nathanji
Thank you RH for your concern and kind hearted in wanting to see the closest neighbours to live harmoniously. That's not possible as long as the sly old fox is around. His itching nature always wanted to find fault with Singapore. Our hope is that the PM-in-waiting takes over as soon as possible for stability sake. Otherwise the old man may do irreparable damageso for bilateral ties.
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Steven Mok
No need or possible to hope for win-win solutions between Malaysia and Singapore if the one's sided adopts gangsterism bullying demand.
The world will adhere and recognise law and rules if mutual negotiations failed.
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Yves Lee
Just like his grand father,Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim has a personal wish.He wishes that one day during his rule,Johor will be fully independence from the Malaysia federation.And form an alliance with Singapore and Brunei.All the very best to the Prince.
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K Tan Don
See you are interfering with our internal affairs.
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Yves Lee
K Tan Don This is not interference...this is his comment in his facebook go check it out.
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K Tan Don
Yves Lee : It is up to TMJ to put whatever he wants in his facebook. Please note that to breakaway from Malaysia is a betrayal to Agong..which is a serious charge in Malaysia..so by advertising that claim of TMJ, do you want TMJ to carry that charge ?
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Yves Lee
K Tan Don Go check the constitution in msia first to see if there is such a clause
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Georgie Lee
If only that 93 year old snake and his baruas have a little brain and be respectful of Singapore there will be no problem.Was there any problem when Najib was the PM? We were like brothers. But now there is endless problem everyday. Even that ex Defence Minister advocate war against Singapore. He is a real Bodoh who doesnt know the consequences.
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K Tan Don
That is why we booted out Najib..he is a zombie with no brain at all, only thinking about $$$ to enrich himself and his witch..ex Defence minister advocate war against Singapore..now you know BN people are not to be trusted..
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Georgie Lee
K Tan Don That ex Defence Minister is about to change coat because he needs a job. Otherwise, there is no smoke in his kitchen. Najib has not been proven guilty as yet. Dont think MACC is capable of handling Najib's case. We never had any problem when Najib was the PM. Do you remember that 93 year old snake came to Singapore to renegotiate the water agreement which he had signed. What is an agreement then? Who is more trustworthy then- Najib or that 93 year old snake.
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Brian Soh
K Tan Don We do not know who else is wanting a war with us from Malaysia. All I know is that there is a certain twitter account that namingly stated it is from Malaysia and incited to war against SG, just last week.

While TMJ has openingly rebuked your old politician who is ALWAYS against SG and has never meant well...I don't see why Singaporeans shouldn't support TMJ in his quests for a better Johore as well as relationship with SG.

I can't say the same for Putra Jaya.
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K Tan Don
Brian Soh There is always bad people always wanting war..
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Ricky Lim
If laid our force by force, unit by unit ----- no one in their right mind will want to start a war with us.

They are joking or try to act funny.


We only activated 5 squadrons from the airforce in the Open Mobilisation - and it is more than the 3 squadrons they have - and their 1 full squadron is not functioning - and the other 2 squadrons has not much activity.

We have 100 over squadrons - and all 100 over squadrons are combat ready.

They say want to start a war - i think they are some children playing sands in the beach.


Their external debt is = RM$273 billion
and their reserve is only = RM$97.4 billion
(You think economically - they can sustain a war?)
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K Tan Don
Ricky Lim : Hello, you don't need to start a war..if you trigger some actions that made those angry mobs in Malaysia upset just like the recent ICERD gathering, you can start calculating the loss of investments in our country plus stock market...then you can start minusing some billions from your calculations.
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - I say your side don't trigger war - we are not a pushover.
Think before you act.
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Jm Chow
Tunku Ismail Sultan Ibrahim, the Crown Prince is indeed a very wise man. He is also a GOOD leader. The people of Johor is lucky to have such a good and wise leader. We are fortunate to have such a good neighbour.

His words is significant ..has profound meaning. .."Here I am in the middle between Singapore and Malaysia..." Johor is between Singapore and Malaysia. He is speaking as the leader of Johor...not as someone speaking on behalf of Malaysia.

His words also clearly suggest... Johor is separate entity like Singapore and Malaysia....and He is not siding with Dr. M (not bias for Malaysia)

The Crown Prince is very much like his grandfather...who wanted independence ... who wished to have a separate political union with East Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore.
Johor has a special Army, a special force ( the JMF Elite Forces), which have undergone special training... the same type of tough training for the Navy Seal (in the USA). This JMF army is under the direct command of the Sultan of Johor.

With leaders like Najib and Dr M... I fully understand the position wisely chosen by the Crown Prince.
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Yves Lee
Brian Soh fully agreed
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K Tan Don
Ricky Lim : We Malaysian Chinese always think..we always argue and debate in forums but we can't control the anger of the angry mobs from other races..they are very sensitive..even PH is having 70% to 80% Malay components, those ultra Malays from UMNO and PAS will always fault DAP..and they akin DAP to Singapore PAP...there is no deny you guys are richer than us..but the moment you did something make those angry mobs very angry, you need to start calculating your losses..our government are not able to control them in that circumstances...for example, even our government cancel the signing of ICERD, those ultra Malays still gather a force about 80k to rally. in the capital...seriously we don't even need to trigger a war..the angry mobs will surround your embassies, your properties, etc..I think you had experienced a small rioting in SG last year..that is only ikan bilis..
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - I am saying your hawkish side if ever want to trigger an armed war against us ----- tell them to think carefully.

Because if they ever want to trigger a war --- there will be no standing building on your side - and your sides will have no mob.
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K Tan Don
Ricky Lim : Well there are always hawkish people from both side..it always noise and drama..relax..since independent the only country that attacked both Malaysia and Singapore is Indonesia..Malaysia and Singapore is always like brothers quarrelling on and off..
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Ricky Lim
K Tan Don - as long as your hawkish don't start a war, we will not take action.

But your one intruding vessel is still in our Territorial Water.
Under the UNCLOS - UN convention of Law of Sea - we have the right to act to use force - when the time and condition ripen and all diplomatic channel have been exhausted.

Don't 2nd guess us.
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