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It is good to keep the house. It's a historical heritage site. Good for young Singaporeans to understand how modern Singapore came about from the decisions made in the house.
This is the issue I fully agreed with you.
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02 Apr 2018
Ricky Lim · Singapore
Given the significant heritage, historical values of Oxley House --- it should be preserved as National Monument - Suboption 1 - while preserving the privacy as wanted by Mr Lee.
It will be a great loss to Singapore Heritage and Singapore descendants will stand to lose big in Singapore Heritage if altered or demolished.
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02 Apr 2018
Ricky Lim · Singapore
Given the significant heritage, historical values of Oxley House --- it should be preserved as National Monument - Suboption 1 - while preserving the privacy as wanted by Mr Lee.
It will be a great loss to Singapore Heritage and Singapore descendants will stand to lose big in Singapore Heritage if altered or demolished.
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As for "He concluded his post with the fact that probate was granted for Mr Lee Kuan Yew's will in October 2015, so it is the "full, final, and legally binding statement of his wishes for the house".
"Combined with Lee Kuan Yew's numerous and unwavering public statements on the matter, there is more than enough documentary evidence for a future government to understand - and hopefully grant - our father's last wish," he concluded.
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Both siblings have to understand this :-
"The Preservation of Sites and Monuments (PSM) is the national authority that advises on the preservation of nationally significant monuments and sites in Singapore. It is guided by the Preservation of Monuments Act to provide "for the preservation and protection of National Monuments".
This will supersede a legal personal will - irregardless who this person is.
"Combined with Lee Kuan Yew's numerous and unwavering public statements on the matter, there is more than enough documentary evidence for a future government to understand - and hopefully grant - our father's last wish," he concluded.
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Both siblings have to understand this :-
"The Preservation of Sites and Monuments (PSM) is the national authority that advises on the preservation of nationally significant monuments and sites in Singapore. It is guided by the Preservation of Monuments Act to provide "for the preservation and protection of National Monuments".
This will supersede a legal personal will - irregardless who this person is.
If these 2 siblings are unable to see how this Oxley Heritage can benefit Singaporean descendants. that help Singaporean descendants to understand their history, the struggle that their predecessors have to overcome to become a successful Nation ----- then these 2 siblings lack the Wisdom of 大义 --- but plain blind faith, blind filial piety.
Only if they know 大义 for the sake of greater good for the future descendants --- will they understand what is (True Filial Piety).
Only if they know 大义 for the sake of greater good for the future descendants --- will they understand what is (True Filial Piety).
A true filial son and daughter --- will rather let her father and mother - scold them in the public, or in the afterlife as "不孝“。
But benefit many others, notably Singapore future descendants ---- by contributing the Oxley as Heritage for National Monument --- so that 世世代代，新加坡后代 - can benefit, learn the Singapore Heritage, learn Singapore early struggle - that build a successful Singapore as a Proud Nation ---- and become ”大孝“。
Now, these 2 siblings by following blind faith are "愚孝" ---- "大不孝”。
But benefit many others, notably Singapore future descendants ---- by contributing the Oxley as Heritage for National Monument --- so that 世世代代，新加坡后代 - can benefit, learn the Singapore Heritage, learn Singapore early struggle - that build a successful Singapore as a Proud Nation ---- and become ”大孝“。
Now, these 2 siblings by following blind faith are "愚孝" ---- "大不孝”。
Yes it is good to keep the house.
No it is not good to say LKY wished to keep the house.
No it is not good to say LKY wished to keep the house.
Breeke Lo - No I did not say that.
Mr Lee KY could have acted on the belief of "No-Self" 无我 - refuse to embolden himself as personal cult or his personal life.
But the Government has want Mr Lee KY to look beyond that - whereby the historical events that has taken place in Oxley - go far beyond emboldening of personal cult.
It mark the historic significance of the formation of the 1st Government - that bring about a Nation building - that have make Singapore successful and anchor Singaporeans to be a successful proud Singaporeans --- that as a little red dot, where there are no natural resources, where politically we will have not survive as a Nation --- make it - because of fearless early politicians who have risked their lives - bravely form a Government to make Singapore successful.
And it is this part of the Heritage - that we must preserve it, and pass it on to Singaporean descendants - to inspire them, to motivate them, to let them learn the historical lessons - that nothing - whatever most insurmountable obstacles, and difficulties --- can be overcome --- as our predecessors in Oxley has demonstrate it.
By demolishing Oxley House ----- Singaporean descendants will LOSE BIG ----- REAL BIG !!!
This is the real reason - I will defy Mr Lee KY --- and in the afterlife ---- I am willing to convey this to Mr and Mrs Lee KY --- this 大义。
I hope his 2 siblings - read this and understand this.
Mr Lee KY could have acted on the belief of "No-Self" 无我 - refuse to embolden himself as personal cult or his personal life.
But the Government has want Mr Lee KY to look beyond that - whereby the historical events that has taken place in Oxley - go far beyond emboldening of personal cult.
It mark the historic significance of the formation of the 1st Government - that bring about a Nation building - that have make Singapore successful and anchor Singaporeans to be a successful proud Singaporeans --- that as a little red dot, where there are no natural resources, where politically we will have not survive as a Nation --- make it - because of fearless early politicians who have risked their lives - bravely form a Government to make Singapore successful.
And it is this part of the Heritage - that we must preserve it, and pass it on to Singaporean descendants - to inspire them, to motivate them, to let them learn the historical lessons - that nothing - whatever most insurmountable obstacles, and difficulties --- can be overcome --- as our predecessors in Oxley has demonstrate it.
By demolishing Oxley House ----- Singaporean descendants will LOSE BIG ----- REAL BIG !!!
This is the real reason - I will defy Mr Lee KY --- and in the afterlife ---- I am willing to convey this to Mr and Mrs Lee KY --- this 大义。
I hope his 2 siblings - read this and understand this.
Ricky Lim with all due respect, I beg to differ. If it is like you believed, the house will bring about greater long-term good of Singapore, Mr LKY would not have decided to demolish it, it's just not his style. I do believe he believed that it is for Singapore's interests that he decided to demolish it. That's the real LKY.
Breeke Lo - Mr Lee KY is a respectable elder statesman and is right in many policies he has done for Singapore.
But he do have blindspot - which I does not want to elaborate with due respect to Mr Lee KY - and Mr Lee KY when being informed and convinced with undisputable facts will change his view. He is not stubborn unlike this 2 siblings.
In this particular Oxley issue - you did not articulate why Mr Lee KY think it is good for Singapore to demolish Oxley.
There are no real arguments to convince me that Mr Lee KY is right.
In fact, Mr Lee KY after listening to the Cabinet acknowledge that he may not be able to demolish Oxley.
If you have convincing reasons that Mr Lee KY has good reasons, present it and let everyone see and be convince by it.
But he do have blindspot - which I does not want to elaborate with due respect to Mr Lee KY - and Mr Lee KY when being informed and convinced with undisputable facts will change his view. He is not stubborn unlike this 2 siblings.
In this particular Oxley issue - you did not articulate why Mr Lee KY think it is good for Singapore to demolish Oxley.
There are no real arguments to convince me that Mr Lee KY is right.
In fact, Mr Lee KY after listening to the Cabinet acknowledge that he may not be able to demolish Oxley.
If you have convincing reasons that Mr Lee KY has good reasons, present it and let everyone see and be convince by it.
Ricky Lim it's been said many times. Here's a good articulation of the same reasons of why LKY wants the house demolished, copied from reddit :
Long story short, it is for Singapore. LKY dedicated his life for Singapore. Even his will is about protecting the long term interest of Singapore.
The house is more than just a house. It is a symbol of LKY. LKY holds a very special place in our hearts and he knew that. He did not want PAP to use his name as a political tool to retain power as his love for Singapore is far greater than his ego. If PAP is to retain power, it has to be done based on results that they had achieved and not the use of a cult personality. LKY does not want Singapore to go down the path of North Korea and China. LKY cannot be what Mao Zedong or Kim Il-sung is to China and North Korea.
Long story short, it is for Singapore. LKY dedicated his life for Singapore. Even his will is about protecting the long term interest of Singapore.
The house is more than just a house. It is a symbol of LKY. LKY holds a very special place in our hearts and he knew that. He did not want PAP to use his name as a political tool to retain power as his love for Singapore is far greater than his ego. If PAP is to retain power, it has to be done based on results that they had achieved and not the use of a cult personality. LKY does not want Singapore to go down the path of North Korea and China. LKY cannot be what Mao Zedong or Kim Il-sung is to China and North Korea.
Breeke Lo - Yes Mr Lee KY is worried about personality cult.
My above view - has said "The Government want Mr Lee KY to look beyond it" ---- for the greater good of Singaporean descendants.
And I do not want to keep repeating why it is good for future descendants like a recorder.
You can read the above text again.
When you demolish a historic treasure - everything will be lost - and future descendants won't be able to learn anything from it.
Eg. if you destroy all our heritage in Singapore ---- do you and Singaporeans know our history - and how we become Singaporeans --- and how to unified all Singaporeans - when we face crisis?
My above view - has said "The Government want Mr Lee KY to look beyond it" ---- for the greater good of Singaporean descendants.
And I do not want to keep repeating why it is good for future descendants like a recorder.
You can read the above text again.
When you demolish a historic treasure - everything will be lost - and future descendants won't be able to learn anything from it.
Eg. if you destroy all our heritage in Singapore ---- do you and Singaporeans know our history - and how we become Singaporeans --- and how to unified all Singaporeans - when we face crisis?
Eg. do we keep remembrance of our ancestors, our heritage --- so that we can remember them, know our roots and where and how we come about?
Of course we do - we don't destroy them, and if we did - we don't know our ancestor and how we exist.
This is a very real and simple analogy.
Of course we do - we don't destroy them, and if we did - we don't know our ancestor and how we exist.
This is a very real and simple analogy.
And preserving Oxley House - it is not about preserving the power of PAP.
If PAP did not perform - common sense will tell everyone that people will look for a better platform to lead Singapore. An Oxley House can't be a rallying force.
Common sense will tell you that.
Oxley House is more than a party.
Oxley House is a electrifying historical place, a rallying place for a group of visionary Singaporeans who want to group themselves up to save Singapore from sufferings - by forming a political party to lead all Singaporeans.
Oxley House is more than a party.
Oxley House is about a place - how the 1st Pioneer risk their lives - to want to lead Singapore from a place of sufferings into a place of Paradise now.
Oxley House --- will be an "Inspiration Place" ---- to motivate, inspire our future descendants, our children, our grandchildren - that Nation Building is full of danger, the real chance that we cannot survive as a Nation - but we make it - because of the unwavering, determination of our Pioneer Leaders.
And we want our future descendants, your kids, your grandkids - to live with this place of legacy to inspire them --- if they feel lost, they feel threatened, they feel down, they feel unwanted --- that we can make it against all odds.
Why demolish such a House ?
If PAP did not perform - common sense will tell everyone that people will look for a better platform to lead Singapore. An Oxley House can't be a rallying force.
Common sense will tell you that.
Oxley House is more than a party.
Oxley House is a electrifying historical place, a rallying place for a group of visionary Singaporeans who want to group themselves up to save Singapore from sufferings - by forming a political party to lead all Singaporeans.
Oxley House is more than a party.
Oxley House is about a place - how the 1st Pioneer risk their lives - to want to lead Singapore from a place of sufferings into a place of Paradise now.
Oxley House --- will be an "Inspiration Place" ---- to motivate, inspire our future descendants, our children, our grandchildren - that Nation Building is full of danger, the real chance that we cannot survive as a Nation - but we make it - because of the unwavering, determination of our Pioneer Leaders.
And we want our future descendants, your kids, your grandkids - to live with this place of legacy to inspire them --- if they feel lost, they feel threatened, they feel down, they feel unwanted --- that we can make it against all odds.
Why demolish such a House ?
Ricky Lim demolish it, build a monumental park (it doesn't even need to be at the same spot), would have achieved the same. Future generations will learn abt him through books (tons of them exists), parents, youtube, wikipedia etc etc. There is nothing to learn at 38 Oxley, there are only emotions there, the very thing LKY wants to demolish
Ricky Lim ·
Must as well you demolish merlion and put it in pulau brani.
Must as well you demolish sir stamford raffles and put it outside your house.
Must as well you demolish old parliament house and build a model at your garden.
No point arguing further - as i have put all the points across - and further argument - will be fringe on absurdity.
Must as well you demolish sir stamford raffles and put it outside your house.
Must as well you demolish old parliament house and build a model at your garden.
No point arguing further - as i have put all the points across - and further argument - will be fringe on absurdity.
Breeke Lo - Do you have all the facts on the merits and demerits of preserving or demolishing the National Library?
I don't have and I should not comments on the issue when I don't have all the facts.
And it means I will reserve supporting or not supporting whether National Library should be preserved or demolished.
And also the National Library is already gone.
You can present all the facts now, cry over it, kpkb over it ---- it is pointless to talk about it because it is gone.
No matter how you cry - won't make it come back once gone.
This is precisely the point i want to bring across on Oxley.
Once you demolish it - it is gone --- no matter how you tear hair, how much you curse, how much you thump your chest - will not bring it back === especially if future descendants found out later.
I don't have and I should not comments on the issue when I don't have all the facts.
And it means I will reserve supporting or not supporting whether National Library should be preserved or demolished.
And also the National Library is already gone.
You can present all the facts now, cry over it, kpkb over it ---- it is pointless to talk about it because it is gone.
No matter how you cry - won't make it come back once gone.
This is precisely the point i want to bring across on Oxley.
Once you demolish it - it is gone --- no matter how you tear hair, how much you curse, how much you thump your chest - will not bring it back === especially if future descendants found out later.
Xian Lian Zeng - What is gone, there is no point crying to want it back.
What is not gone, we have to justify with good strong argument to keep, to preserve --- for our future descendants.
We owe it to the future descendants - to protect their future.
What is not gone, we have to justify with good strong argument to keep, to preserve --- for our future descendants.
We owe it to the future descendants - to protect their future.
Breeke Lo - I will only worship right facts, good arguments.
I already told you I do not want to talk about National Library devoid of facts and is already gone - and no point to talk about it.
And this is my last response to you.
I already told you I do not want to talk about National Library devoid of facts and is already gone - and no point to talk about it.
And this is my last response to you.
Ricky Lim ....YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!!!!
Under conservation laws......who make the laws ???
Is the bungalow more than half a century old ??? Maybe a century old ??? Does that fall under conservation laws ????
Many old houses are gazetted as conservation houses....why number 8 OXLEY road bungalow is an EXCEPTION ?????
Under conservation laws......who make the laws ???
Is the bungalow more than half a century old ??? Maybe a century old ??? Does that fall under conservation laws ????
Many old houses are gazetted as conservation houses....why number 8 OXLEY road bungalow is an EXCEPTION ?????
Victoria Vic - The PSM (Preservation of Sites and Monuments) division is formed in January 1971 under the then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew (1959 to 1990).
Mr Lee KY knew that the law will supersede his personal wish and will - that is why he talk about restoration as an option.
The 2 siblings and some supporters here refuse to acknowledge this law enacted by Mr Lee Kuan Yew. --- Checkmate !
This people 不守法 - enacted by non other than Mr Lee Kuan Yew - 大不孝 （无法无天）- 愚孝。(挟天子，令诸侯） - 大不孝！
I say again - I worship right facts and good arguments -- not those 婆婆妈妈 type like a broken recorder.
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