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Danny Lum
(1) If the black shirt protestors turn up in Yuen Long to protest despite the ban - as it will cause escalation of violent clashes - then the protestors are breaking the law --- and all should be arrested.
(2) These protestors has been vandalising public property, beating up law enforcers, break down social order and economic order - and they should be prosecuted under the law.
(3) The senseless protest has gone on for too long - and it is time to bring back order to the city.
(2) These protestors has been vandalising public property, beating up law enforcers, break down social order and economic order - and they should be prosecuted under the law.
(3) The senseless protest has gone on for too long - and it is time to bring back order to the city.
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Tan Tuang Ser
Hi Danny don't need to be too kind they are rioters ...not protesters..enforce the law n lock them away for good
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长宁
Tan Tuang Ser
Agree. They have obviously taken kindness for weakness. If the UK police is unable to handle them, which clearly the case, then call it the PLA to settle the matter once and for all. Like they did to the June 4th Movement. 长痛不如短痛！Had it not been the PLA's action, China would have been a very divided society like Hong Kong today. There will probably be no bullet trains and Tian Gong space stations and other major developments. For what the Hong Kongers are doing now, Hong Kong will have really a hard time for the next few years. Business will be severely affected enforcing some enterprises to scale down on staff. Thus many Hong Kongers will become jobless.
Agree. They have obviously taken kindness for weakness. If the UK police is unable to handle them, which clearly the case, then call it the PLA to settle the matter once and for all. Like they did to the June 4th Movement. 长痛不如短痛！Had it not been the PLA's action, China would have been a very divided society like Hong Kong today. There will probably be no bullet trains and Tian Gong space stations and other major developments. For what the Hong Kongers are doing now, Hong Kong will have really a hard time for the next few years. Business will be severely affected enforcing some enterprises to scale down on staff. Thus many Hong Kongers will become jobless.
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Kaitlin Barnett
长宁 You provide a strange account of things.
It is the HK police, not the UK police.
The CCP did good but also bad. Millions died or suffered due to purges and famines. A few decades ago, Hong Kong was doing better than China.
Both systems can work as we have seen. There are democratic countries that are powerful and successful as well as ones which are weak and wracked with conflict. The same can be said of non-democratic ones.
These protests are going to keep occurring, the way to stop them is to reform the political system so they can select and elect their own chief executive as well as openly elect all the seats in the legislature. They can direct their energies into political change via elections. If they keep the rigged system then this will keep happening. Many young hong kongers are leaving.
It is the HK police, not the UK police.
The CCP did good but also bad. Millions died or suffered due to purges and famines. A few decades ago, Hong Kong was doing better than China.
Both systems can work as we have seen. There are democratic countries that are powerful and successful as well as ones which are weak and wracked with conflict. The same can be said of non-democratic ones.
These protests are going to keep occurring, the way to stop them is to reform the political system so they can select and elect their own chief executive as well as openly elect all the seats in the legislature. They can direct their energies into political change via elections. If they keep the rigged system then this will keep happening. Many young hong kongers are leaving.
Chromio Incog
When police worked for the security of the city, they physically attacked police. When the police carried their job captured those who broke the law, they demand release of these criminals. When police busy entertaining these people, they called the police thugs. When police foresee this protest may lead to bloodshed and banned it, they refuse to follow and act stubborn. And when something really happen, I bet they will blame the police for failure to protect them. They smashed Legco, they destroyed public properties, they hold the MTR for 2 hours at peak hour. They affecting the life of the normal citizen, attacking any of the people who has different views, causing chaos to the whole society. And you the media still telling me these are peaceful, kind, innocent protestors? A good will in initial stage doesn't justify all the crimes in current. Hong Kong, well known as a city of rules of laws? Now is a joke of the whole world! The government give you freedom of speech, freedom to protest, freedom to speak and act, not freedom of crimes and freedom to shamelessly destroying yours and your parents life! Try to smash properties in Pentagon, White House, Kremlin, Palace of Westminster, and expect no action will be taken on you?
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Tonyle Tan
This is the protesters/rioters' brand of " democracy" n their so called
" freedom ofspeech" ,listen to them and do as they said
Anything else is undemocratic
" freedom ofspeech" ,listen to them and do as they said
Anything else is undemocratic
Niko Nishi
If these protesters are protesting for a decent roof over their heads, which probably affect at least half the population, I would raise both hands to support them. But protesting with such violence against an extradiction treaty that probably does not even concern or affect 0.001% of the population and probably only concern fraudsters, criminals, and corrupt officials, this I really do not understand. They are just looking for a reason to protest and incite civil disobedience.
Chromio Incog
Truly say, they can, and they are allowed to do so, to protect their rights. That's why initially a lot people from overseas including chinese societies are supporting them, including me. But unfortunately, its gone too over now. Wicked, vicious, unacceptable attack on different view lawmakers, posted police officers' families details online and call people for bullying, violence and destroying public properties all over the city... These are not peaceful protest, these are not legal demonstrates. These are indeed riots!
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Tonyle Tan
Looks like HKies' pastime is to have violent protest.
I suggest let them do that for some time They are too stress
I suggest let them do that for some time They are too stress
Tonyle Tan
I read over n over again. There's nothing in their demands about better
housing, better economy or job opportunities. In fact they were chasing away
business.
May be that's because I don't know how to read !
housing, better economy or job opportunities. In fact they were chasing away
business.
May be that's because I don't know how to read !
Bbqute Bern Chiang
Young? They behave like kids living in their delusion.
People over the world are fighting for livinghood. Yet these protester fighting for attention and what? Please grow up kids.
People over the world are fighting for livinghood. Yet these protester fighting for attention and what? Please grow up kids.
Albert Kwek
The policemen in HK are too weak. How can they allow these protests go on and on. No major actions are taken for those protests. No wonder protestors are taking advantage of this. Police can just ask for help from PLA . I am sure the problem will be solved. Do you think those protestors are very brave? Most of them are just like flowers growing in a warm room. Everyday just ask for democracy and freedom. More and more HKers will be anger with them.
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Danny Lum
(1) The total HK police strength is 35,000 vs 100,000 or more who protest.
(2) Not all the Police are riot police.
(3) Sometimes the protest are decentralised - thus the police strength are depleted - and the protestors overwhelm the police though police are better equipped.
(4) Police are restrained from using more effective equipment like riot vehicles dispensing tear gas, rubber bullet, riot tractors to clear obstacles, tear gas etc --- as the media side the protestors more than the Police.
(5) HK police family are under threat - and thus they will be less effective when carrying out the duties.
(6) China PLA garrison deploy in HK is only 6,000 and their structure is more to protect against external threat - rather than internal riot.
Eg. they are armor unit, navy, army troops etc - and not for controlling riot.
If the China PLA garrions in HK are deployed - they are more accustomed to use their weapons and battle maneouver - than carrying riot gear to combat the protestors.
(7) Also 6,000 strength may not be sufficient to beef up the HK police of 35,000 ---- if they are facing more than 100,000 protestors.
(8) To be effective, PLA from mainland (trained in riot conttol) will be more effective --- and they most likely will come in through Yuen Long.
(9) All these HK black protestors - are playing with fire and testing the patience --- without knowing the consequences.
(2) Not all the Police are riot police.
(3) Sometimes the protest are decentralised - thus the police strength are depleted - and the protestors overwhelm the police though police are better equipped.
(4) Police are restrained from using more effective equipment like riot vehicles dispensing tear gas, rubber bullet, riot tractors to clear obstacles, tear gas etc --- as the media side the protestors more than the Police.
(5) HK police family are under threat - and thus they will be less effective when carrying out the duties.
(6) China PLA garrison deploy in HK is only 6,000 and their structure is more to protect against external threat - rather than internal riot.
Eg. they are armor unit, navy, army troops etc - and not for controlling riot.
If the China PLA garrions in HK are deployed - they are more accustomed to use their weapons and battle maneouver - than carrying riot gear to combat the protestors.
(7) Also 6,000 strength may not be sufficient to beef up the HK police of 35,000 ---- if they are facing more than 100,000 protestors.
(8) To be effective, PLA from mainland (trained in riot conttol) will be more effective --- and they most likely will come in through Yuen Long.
(9) All these HK black protestors - are playing with fire and testing the patience --- without knowing the consequences.
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Danny Lum
(1) In retrospect, these HK black protestors fail to size up the context they are in.
(2) HK is part of China. China will not let HK declare independent - and this HK protestors fool themselves by demanding so.
China will commit troop if these HK protestors force this agenda through --- this is the 1st moment of truth that they must realise and accept.
(3) HK protestors demand that their governor must be elected by universal suffrage.
But HK governor during British time are never voted in - they are appointed by UK.
Similarly, the currect governor are "elected" by a group of committee (improvement from appointment).
So to China - the protestors demand is excessive and unreasonable. ---- this is the 2nd moment of truth.
(4) HK protestors must realise that China will gradually exert influence in HK from now and all the way until 2047 where they will then takeover.
HK protestors must not be naive to think the China will not do anything - and come 2047 - take over in a "cold turkey" manner --- then start to infuse China mainlanders in, China system and law come in - and brawl will broke up ---- as the 2 systems are vastly different from 2 opposing ends. -- this is the 3rd moment of truth.
(5) China will emphasize economy and social well-being like in the mainland --- while enforcing a less open system in politics, where China will put high priority in stability - political stability, social order and economic order - this is the 4th moment of truth that HK people must realise and accept.
(6) If HK protestors fail to accept the above 4 moment of truth ---- the deadlock will continue and the protest will not stop --- until a stronger force come down to restore order.
(2) HK is part of China. China will not let HK declare independent - and this HK protestors fool themselves by demanding so.
China will commit troop if these HK protestors force this agenda through --- this is the 1st moment of truth that they must realise and accept.
(3) HK protestors demand that their governor must be elected by universal suffrage.
But HK governor during British time are never voted in - they are appointed by UK.
Similarly, the currect governor are "elected" by a group of committee (improvement from appointment).
So to China - the protestors demand is excessive and unreasonable. ---- this is the 2nd moment of truth.
(4) HK protestors must realise that China will gradually exert influence in HK from now and all the way until 2047 where they will then takeover.
HK protestors must not be naive to think the China will not do anything - and come 2047 - take over in a "cold turkey" manner --- then start to infuse China mainlanders in, China system and law come in - and brawl will broke up ---- as the 2 systems are vastly different from 2 opposing ends. -- this is the 3rd moment of truth.
(5) China will emphasize economy and social well-being like in the mainland --- while enforcing a less open system in politics, where China will put high priority in stability - political stability, social order and economic order - this is the 4th moment of truth that HK people must realise and accept.
(6) If HK protestors fail to accept the above 4 moment of truth ---- the deadlock will continue and the protest will not stop --- until a stronger force come down to restore order.
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Kaitlin Barnett
Danny Lum
"HK protestors demand that their governor must be elected by universal suffrage.
But HK governor during British time are never voted in - they are appointed by UK.
Similarly, the currect governor are "elected" by a group of committee (improvement from appointment).
So to China - the protestors demand is excessive and unreasonable. ---- this is the 2nd moment of truth."
Because the UK didn't permit it, China cannot permit it? What sort of logic is this? If your child was kidnapped and abused, would you take that as a benchmark on how to raise your child when you got them back?
The protestors demand for universal suffrage is neither excessive nor unreasonable. People should be able to elect who governs them. China had in the past actually agreed to this change. They just decided to walk it back later. So clearly they themselves didn't think it was excessive or reasonable at one point.
What is the benefit of letting them select and elect their on Chief Executive as well as opening all the seats in the legislature for open elections? HK citizens can direct their energies into achieving political change via legitimate means in a fair system that is not rigged. If their leaders don't do well they only have themselves to blame and can learn from their mistakes next election instead of blaming Beijing.
"HK protestors demand that their governor must be elected by universal suffrage.
But HK governor during British time are never voted in - they are appointed by UK.
Similarly, the currect governor are "elected" by a group of committee (improvement from appointment).
So to China - the protestors demand is excessive and unreasonable. ---- this is the 2nd moment of truth."
Because the UK didn't permit it, China cannot permit it? What sort of logic is this? If your child was kidnapped and abused, would you take that as a benchmark on how to raise your child when you got them back?
The protestors demand for universal suffrage is neither excessive nor unreasonable. People should be able to elect who governs them. China had in the past actually agreed to this change. They just decided to walk it back later. So clearly they themselves didn't think it was excessive or reasonable at one point.
What is the benefit of letting them select and elect their on Chief Executive as well as opening all the seats in the legislature for open elections? HK citizens can direct their energies into achieving political change via legitimate means in a fair system that is not rigged. If their leaders don't do well they only have themselves to blame and can learn from their mistakes next election instead of blaming Beijing.
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Danny Lum
Kaitlin Barnett -
(1) Is Hongkong part of China?
If yes, why should you as outsider determine how China govern their people.
(2) You come from Florida?
Similarly no one interfere in how your Government is elected.
Why should you interfere in others?
(1) Is Hongkong part of China?
If yes, why should you as outsider determine how China govern their people.
(2) You come from Florida?
Similarly no one interfere in how your Government is elected.
Why should you interfere in others?
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Albert Kwek
Kaitlin Barnett : your argument is completely wrong.
1. If you are the son, can you do what you want without permission from the father? Unless you are not consider China and Hong Kong are two different countries. But HK is part of China.
2. HK leased to UK for many years. Many HKers are not think of China is their motherland. If the chief executives are elected by those anti-china protestors and then they are asking independent , it should be a dead end for HK. Sovereignity is very important to every countries including USA.
3. China agrees to the changes of HK? For them to independent, never dream of that. It is just your personal opinion.
4. Just see the behaviours what protestors are done in the past few weeks. You agree them to run the HK government. It must be a joke.
If you born in poor family, never blame your parents why they are so poor . Only you change yourself and work hard and make fortune for yourself. Democracy will not give them butter and breads. They should ask for are housing problems etc.
1. If you are the son, can you do what you want without permission from the father? Unless you are not consider China and Hong Kong are two different countries. But HK is part of China.
2. HK leased to UK for many years. Many HKers are not think of China is their motherland. If the chief executives are elected by those anti-china protestors and then they are asking independent , it should be a dead end for HK. Sovereignity is very important to every countries including USA.
3. China agrees to the changes of HK? For them to independent, never dream of that. It is just your personal opinion.
4. Just see the behaviours what protestors are done in the past few weeks. You agree them to run the HK government. It must be a joke.
If you born in poor family, never blame your parents why they are so poor . Only you change yourself and work hard and make fortune for yourself. Democracy will not give them butter and breads. They should ask for are housing problems etc.
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Danny Lum
(1) There is no right or wrong about a political system - it is whether the Society are ready for it - whether remaining as communism or slowly evolved into democracy.
(2) First and foremost, the Governance must be able to ensure :-
- Political stability
- Social order
- Economic order.
(3) No one can guarantee that a democratic system - will not throw a Society into chaos.
--- We can see many examples of populist, nationalist, protectionist Government on the rise through democracy.
--- Communism also doesn't guarantee success.
(4) But as for now China adopting Communism in politics but market economy in economics seems to work very well for China - as more than 400 million people have been elevated from poverty - and turn China economy to be the 2nd largest Economy in the World - and will likely to become the larget Economy in the World given another decade of economic growth.
(5) I must say that I am not an admirer for Communism - as democracy work for our Country.
But this does not mean that China is ready for democracy at this point in time.
(2) First and foremost, the Governance must be able to ensure :-
- Political stability
- Social order
- Economic order.
(3) No one can guarantee that a democratic system - will not throw a Society into chaos.
--- We can see many examples of populist, nationalist, protectionist Government on the rise through democracy.
--- Communism also doesn't guarantee success.
(4) But as for now China adopting Communism in politics but market economy in economics seems to work very well for China - as more than 400 million people have been elevated from poverty - and turn China economy to be the 2nd largest Economy in the World - and will likely to become the larget Economy in the World given another decade of economic growth.
(5) I must say that I am not an admirer for Communism - as democracy work for our Country.
But this does not mean that China is ready for democracy at this point in time.
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Albert Kwek
When I first stepped in China in 1989, I also scared of communism. But it made me change my mind. As long as you are not doing bad things over there, there is nothing to be worried and frightened. With the 30 years of development, China has become the second largest economy country in the world and people are in general living very well. No matter whether it is communist or democratic or semi-democratic, it depend on the leadership and the quality and hard work of people over there.
Danny Lum
Albert Kwek -
(1) Communism work for China now - as China is too big and central control works for them.
Else China will end up like USSR - break apart.
(2) As long as China don't export communism to other Countries - it is fine for us.
(3) China has some sort of "democracy" - eg. their leaders are voted by a group of elite party, business, professionals --- but not by their people at large.
(4) It will take time for China to evolve their political system.
But China is not ready for democracy as of now.
(1) Communism work for China now - as China is too big and central control works for them.
Else China will end up like USSR - break apart.
(2) As long as China don't export communism to other Countries - it is fine for us.
(3) China has some sort of "democracy" - eg. their leaders are voted by a group of elite party, business, professionals --- but not by their people at large.
(4) It will take time for China to evolve their political system.
But China is not ready for democracy as of now.
Sin C.K.
the chinese gov shld just take back the control n issue a curfew from 7pm to 7am for as long as the riots cont. arrest anyone who broke the curfew. n anyone attack the police shall b jailed max without parole. democracy also means law n order.
in USA if u try to attack the police they shoot u like a dog n daz ok with these ppl.
in USA if u try to attack the police they shoot u like a dog n daz ok with these ppl.
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Keynes Goh
To HK protestors, especially those who attacked police, damage properties, delay train service, etc, I have the belt to tell them :
1) China is not your enemy, the government is very very willing to help you if you need, if you ask, the people are very willing to mingle with you and be your friends,
2) China does not need the extradition bill, if she wants to get their criminals back for trial, Chinese Communist Party (CCP) can always make special extradition request to HK government to bring their criminals back. The extradition bill is fully an initiative of HK government, and not from CCP, to plug a legal loophole. Just like China has asked Singapore a few times to send her criminals back to China for trials, even though Singapore does not have a formal extradition law with China,
3) your Chief Executive (CE), Carrier Lum has already apologized, you still want get to step down? Do you have a better person to replace her? Even yes, is that person willing to be a CE of HK, after seeing so many protests in HK?
4) your CE had proposed and implemented housing policy which will to solve the problem of housing shortage, just give her more time, the problem will be eradicated eventually,
5) if you are looking for HK independence, ask yourselves, is HK ready? Let's put aside whether China agrees or not. You ask yourselves, does HK have a strong political leaders, army, etc? Most importantly, do you think the majority of HK residents want independence? You won't cross the 30% mark if you hold a national referedum,
6) what you did are a clear case to tell the whole world HK is ungovernable, tourists, businessmen, investors leave, the damages you created in a few weeks will last for a few years.
If you need, pay China a visit, talk to the people in cities and villages, understand them, listen to their perspectives, you can come to Singapore and take a look too.
1) China is not your enemy, the government is very very willing to help you if you need, if you ask, the people are very willing to mingle with you and be your friends,
2) China does not need the extradition bill, if she wants to get their criminals back for trial, Chinese Communist Party (CCP) can always make special extradition request to HK government to bring their criminals back. The extradition bill is fully an initiative of HK government, and not from CCP, to plug a legal loophole. Just like China has asked Singapore a few times to send her criminals back to China for trials, even though Singapore does not have a formal extradition law with China,
3) your Chief Executive (CE), Carrier Lum has already apologized, you still want get to step down? Do you have a better person to replace her? Even yes, is that person willing to be a CE of HK, after seeing so many protests in HK?
4) your CE had proposed and implemented housing policy which will to solve the problem of housing shortage, just give her more time, the problem will be eradicated eventually,
5) if you are looking for HK independence, ask yourselves, is HK ready? Let's put aside whether China agrees or not. You ask yourselves, does HK have a strong political leaders, army, etc? Most importantly, do you think the majority of HK residents want independence? You won't cross the 30% mark if you hold a national referedum,
6) what you did are a clear case to tell the whole world HK is ungovernable, tourists, businessmen, investors leave, the damages you created in a few weeks will last for a few years.
If you need, pay China a visit, talk to the people in cities and villages, understand them, listen to their perspectives, you can come to Singapore and take a look too.
Allen Chen
Hong Kong Police Commander in charge of New Territories North where Yuen Loong is located should do that long time ago. But the new generation of Police Officers have different mindsets from those old school type Force Officers. Now internet, whatsapp and tweets are half of their daily lives!
TJ Tan
People here talking as if they're the experts. Arrest the protestors and throw them all into jail? Did you even read that millions are protesting now? Which prison(s) are able to house them all? Your house?
Bbqute Bern Chiang
Hahahaha... I doubt you fully understand their meaning of arrest the protestors. There are different between peaceful protest and violent protest. Out of the millions, how many are violent.
After millions protested dated few weeks back, does the rest of the protest had the volume of millions protester.
Did you even think?
Obviously they meant start making arrest of violent protester especially those instigated it, leaders of the violent protests.
After millions protested dated few weeks back, does the rest of the protest had the volume of millions protester.
Did you even think?
Obviously they meant start making arrest of violent protester especially those instigated it, leaders of the violent protests.
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Tonyle Tan
Track down the ringleaders and their hidden masters. Deal them some heavy blows . The rest will disband and disappear in no time.
The protests n their endings in violence were organised and financed
by some at the back
The protests n their endings in violence were organised and financed
by some at the back
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TJ Tan
Bbqute Bern Chiang You need to read more news. Leaders of the previous protests were thrown into prison. Did the volume of current protests increase or decrease? And do you even know of their demands? One of them is to strike off the riot charge of previous protests. If you think by capturing hundreds or even thousands of "violent" protestors is going to stop them, you're dead wrong.
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Danny Lum
Danny Lum
TJ Tan -
(1) You underestimate what the PLA can do.
(2) How big is Xingjiang population?
It is 23 million people - and the PLA has subdue the unrest there and keep them under control.
(3) How big is Tibet population?
It is 3.18 million people - and the PLA has subdue the unrest there and keep them under control.
(4) How big is HongKong population?
It is about 7 million people.
You think PLA can't keep them under control?
(5) PLA don't need to build prison to keep the protestors in control.
They just need to wire up their housing area - and keep them control like concentration camps.
You obviously have very little knowledge about the cap of PLA.
(1) You underestimate what the PLA can do.
(2) How big is Xingjiang population?
It is 23 million people - and the PLA has subdue the unrest there and keep them under control.
(3) How big is Tibet population?
It is 3.18 million people - and the PLA has subdue the unrest there and keep them under control.
(4) How big is HongKong population?
It is about 7 million people.
You think PLA can't keep them under control?
(5) PLA don't need to build prison to keep the protestors in control.
They just need to wire up their housing area - and keep them control like concentration camps.
You obviously have very little knowledge about the cap of PLA.
Jim Ihope
It is sad that HK is in turmoil! Probably instigated by outside forces. China has been very patient & restrain. There are forces who is testing China's resolve. Make no mistake that if China goes into action,this situation will stop immediately & many lives may be loss. Let's hope that those who are being used,should come to their senses & terminate these lawless acts. After all, their leaders already declared that the "extradition law is dead!"
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