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Liew James
To state the obvious, the press secretary is repeating and restating opinions rather than stating facts.Don't anyhow label someone as a traitor just because they purportedly cross an imaginary red line!
Ricky Lim
"cross an imaginary red line!"
Foreign intervention of domestic politics - is crossing a red line (not imaginary red line).
Even in US that champion free speeches ---- Muller is now investigating the possibility of foreign intervention in US election.
Even EU Countries are taking firm stand - against foreign powers from influencing their elections.
No Countries can tolerate "foreign intervention" into domestic politics.
ASEAN has a strong stand in "no interference" in member states politics.
Liew James - obviously you cannot differentiate what is "crossing an imaginary red line!" and what is "cross a real red line!"
Foreign intervention of domestic politics - is crossing a red line (not imaginary red line).
Even in US that champion free speeches ---- Muller is now investigating the possibility of foreign intervention in US election.
Even EU Countries are taking firm stand - against foreign powers from influencing their elections.
No Countries can tolerate "foreign intervention" into domestic politics.
ASEAN has a strong stand in "no interference" in member states politics.
Liew James - obviously you cannot differentiate what is "crossing an imaginary red line!" and what is "cross a real red line!"
Ricky Lim
Assume all these individuals have their way and organise a seminar with this foreign PM - to set the condition - for "Singapore to be part of Malaya" :-
(1) All Singaporeans must take Malay as the 1st language - and no more English and mother tongue - in Primary, Secondary, Poly, ITE and Uni.
(2) Singapore GDP must contribute half to Federal Gov in KL.
(3) Singapore Army, Navy and Airforce to disband - and KL will take over the planes, ship and armour vehicles - no guarantee it will be able to fly, sail or go on the road.
(4) No more supplying of water to Singapore from Johore - Singapore develop own water.
(5) Bumi Policy will take over Meritocracy for jobs and business.
(6) Singaporeans can only vote in Singapore state - and cannot vote for Malaysia Federal Gov.
(7) Airport and Seaport - can only land in KL and not Singapore.
(8) No more subsidy for HDB flat in Singapore.
(9) No representation of Singaporeans in KL Parliament - only can be State Government of Singapore.
etc policies that will be detrimental to Singapore.
--- now Singaporean critics who slam Singapore for going soft on these few individuals plus all those in this Board that support these few individuals.
The above will be the consequences if Singapore lose our Sovereignty.
Are Singaporeans supporting such political consequences for Singapore - if we lose our Sovereignty?
(1) All Singaporeans must take Malay as the 1st language - and no more English and mother tongue - in Primary, Secondary, Poly, ITE and Uni.
(2) Singapore GDP must contribute half to Federal Gov in KL.
(3) Singapore Army, Navy and Airforce to disband - and KL will take over the planes, ship and armour vehicles - no guarantee it will be able to fly, sail or go on the road.
(4) No more supplying of water to Singapore from Johore - Singapore develop own water.
(5) Bumi Policy will take over Meritocracy for jobs and business.
(6) Singaporeans can only vote in Singapore state - and cannot vote for Malaysia Federal Gov.
(7) Airport and Seaport - can only land in KL and not Singapore.
(8) No more subsidy for HDB flat in Singapore.
(9) No representation of Singaporeans in KL Parliament - only can be State Government of Singapore.
etc policies that will be detrimental to Singapore.
--- now Singaporean critics who slam Singapore for going soft on these few individuals plus all those in this Board that support these few individuals.
The above will be the consequences if Singapore lose our Sovereignty.
Are Singaporeans supporting such political consequences for Singapore - if we lose our Sovereignty?
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Ricky Lim
Dr Thum also believes Singapore should be part of Malaya, said Mr Lee, and declared that it was his "fervent wish" that Singapore "will one day return to our rightful place alongside our brothers and sisters in Malaya", and pointed that Dr Thum had made several other posts to similar effect.
"The three individuals claim that they are patriots. It is not patriotic to invite any foreign leader to intervene in Singapore politics, especially the leader of a country who has declared his desire to increase the price of water to Singapore by more than ten times, and with whom we seek to maintain close and friendly relations," Mr Lee added in his statement.
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Who is Dr Thum to decide that Singapore should be part of Malaya?
If such wish and such act is not "traitor" - then what is?
"The three individuals claim that they are patriots. It is not patriotic to invite any foreign leader to intervene in Singapore politics, especially the leader of a country who has declared his desire to increase the price of water to Singapore by more than ten times, and with whom we seek to maintain close and friendly relations," Mr Lee added in his statement.
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Who is Dr Thum to decide that Singapore should be part of Malaya?
If such wish and such act is not "traitor" - then what is?
Watari Jin
who are you start the name calling?
all your "quote" are accusation made by Sunny Lee. Don't be confused.
all your "quote" are accusation made by Sunny Lee. Don't be confused.
Ricky Lim
Watari Jin - where is the confusion.
These few guys met in Malaysia to request the foreign PM to interefere in Singapore politics during Malaysia independence day.
Where is the confusion Watari Jin?
Watari Jin - you are the most confused individual - and you have no Singapore's interest at heart - like these few individual.
And if you agree with the actions of these few individuals to harm Singapore interest - you are also a traitor.
These few guys met in Malaysia to request the foreign PM to interefere in Singapore politics during Malaysia independence day.
Where is the confusion Watari Jin?
Watari Jin - you are the most confused individual - and you have no Singapore's interest at heart - like these few individual.
And if you agree with the actions of these few individuals to harm Singapore interest - you are also a traitor.
Kah Hock Tan
Watari Jin Don"t bother with people with narrow minded person. Let them be the boots polisher and bless them best.
Harry Wee
Ricky, you are a weak person. By agreeing to allow these three guys who has their own agenda to speak out on our behalf. This is unacceptable and insulting to all Singaporean. Dr. M, since LKY time had all along hated our 'little red dot' for progressing so well than M'sia. He had enough headache on their current issues than to interfere with other sovereign countries.
用李
Is like getting out of hand!
I think is time to take tough action if our democracy country still need to bring have democracy bring in by foreign head of state.
Frm source there is "another Malaysian" is with the 4 + 1 crowns while meeting the old man.
That malaysian is dangerous to SG too.
I think is time to take tough action if our democracy country still need to bring have democracy bring in by foreign head of state.
Frm source there is "another Malaysian" is with the 4 + 1 crowns while meeting the old man.
That malaysian is dangerous to SG too.
Derek Ee
LKY himself addressed this issue stating that eventually Singapore may return to be Part of Malaysia. It is not just Mr Thum or any other Singaporean. Shanmugam loves to run down Fellow Singaporeans who speak up for Singapore. What a Shame witnessing Singaporeans Fighting Amongst Singaporeans. And worse still Those in Authority amongst Everyday Singaporeans.
Ricky Lim
All these Singaporean people go to Malaysia on their Independence Day and tell foreign PM to interfere in Singapore Sovereignty and interests -- and you say is ok.
It is done at the time when this foreign PM want to increase our price 10 times - and you say is ok?
You must be one of these few people or comrades of these few people - who are trying to harm Singapore's interest.
Derek Ee - who gave them the right to represent Singapore's interest?
And who gave you the right to say what these people did - represent Singapore's Sovereignty and interests?
Are you saying these few individuals including you --- are given rights to represent the fate of all Singaporeans?
It is done at the time when this foreign PM want to increase our price 10 times - and you say is ok?
You must be one of these few people or comrades of these few people - who are trying to harm Singapore's interest.
Derek Ee - who gave them the right to represent Singapore's interest?
And who gave you the right to say what these people did - represent Singapore's Sovereignty and interests?
Are you saying these few individuals including you --- are given rights to represent the fate of all Singaporeans?
Ricky Lim
These few Singaporeans -- without authority to represent Singapore ---- by presenting the view that "Singapore is part of Malaya" to a foreign PM --- is infringing Singapore Constitution.
Is this not an act of "treason"?
Derek Ee - and you say this is "ok"?
Expressing personal view - is one's prerogative - but presenting it to a foreign PM is another thing all together - when these people have no authority to do so nor did they represent the interest of all Singaporeans.
Is this not an act of "treason"?
Derek Ee - and you say this is "ok"?
Expressing personal view - is one's prerogative - but presenting it to a foreign PM is another thing all together - when these people have no authority to do so nor did they represent the interest of all Singaporeans.
Ricky Lim
THE REPUBLIC AND THE CONSTITUTION
Republic of Singapore
*3. Singapore shall be a sovereign republic to be known as the Republic of Singapore.
* Section 2(1)(d), Constitution (Amendment) Act 1965 (No. 8 of 1965) and the Republic of Singapore Independence Act 1965 (No. 9 of 1965).
Republic of Singapore
*3. Singapore shall be a sovereign republic to be known as the Republic of Singapore.
* Section 2(1)(d), Constitution (Amendment) Act 1965 (No. 8 of 1965) and the Republic of Singapore Independence Act 1965 (No. 9 of 1965).
Kah Hock Tan
Well said, any where are these guys politician. Are they involved in any politics and they are only ordinary people. They are at liberty to invite anyone with basic principles and integrity to speak at any forums.
Kah Hock Tan
Ricky Lim we are living in the first world and be sensible in talking about any issue. Need to show proof which part of our national interest and security is at stake.
Christopher Bong
That is the reason why we need true democracy in Singapore, many here still do not understand that it is supposed right of everyone to have their own opinions and thoughts. Just because the opinion and ideas do not agree with others does not make one a traitor.
James Shon
Derek, who are these few clowns to speak on behalf of we Singaporean! Thum and gang are plain disgrace to Singaporean.
James Shon
Kah Hock Tan, our singapore national pride is at stake with these clowns trying to speak on our behalf.
Damien Vesper
Christopher Bong But the ideas Mr Thum has is that Singapore is a illegally created state and looking at his FB page, it is clear he wants merger with Malaysia again. Now he claims he is not a traitor? Calling your country's independence an illegal act?
On 31 August 2013, he wrote.
50 years ago today: Lee Kuan Yew, frustrated with the delay in the creation of Malaysia, unilaterally announced the independence of Singapore. In a rare show of unity, the international community rolled their eyes and ignored him. Happy 50th Illegal Independence Day, Singapore!
On 31 August 2013, he wrote.
50 years ago today: Lee Kuan Yew, frustrated with the delay in the creation of Malaysia, unilaterally announced the independence of Singapore. In a rare show of unity, the international community rolled their eyes and ignored him. Happy 50th Illegal Independence Day, Singapore!
James Shon
Christopher Bong, they can have their own option and thoughts, but don't speak on our behalf. I almost vomitted when i read thum saying he loves his people. Who the fxxx is he to call we Singaporean his people.
Damien Vesper
On 9 August 2016, he wrote:
Happy 51st National Day to all Singaporeans. On this day in 1965, we separated from Malaysia. It is my fervent wish that we will overcome narrow politics and one day return to our rightful place alongside our brothers and sisters in Malaya.
Democracy is a fine idea and people should have the right to choose their leaders and hold them accountable but this isn't about democracy. If it was, he won't go to the guy who once said democracy is an invention by the Jews and ruled his country with an iron fist for decades. Mr Thum's opinion and idea is to end singapore's sovereignty.
Happy 51st National Day to all Singaporeans. On this day in 1965, we separated from Malaysia. It is my fervent wish that we will overcome narrow politics and one day return to our rightful place alongside our brothers and sisters in Malaya.
Democracy is a fine idea and people should have the right to choose their leaders and hold them accountable but this isn't about democracy. If it was, he won't go to the guy who once said democracy is an invention by the Jews and ruled his country with an iron fist for decades. Mr Thum's opinion and idea is to end singapore's sovereignty.
Norah Arc
The strongman here wants to establish a “win-win” relationship with the strongman they have very low opinion of so what if, they(as offended as you) take a win-lose stand instead?Is that “interference”?
You will then be pressured to up your “prosperity gospel”
with your congregation of supportive tithers?
Lessons in court taught you nothing?
You will then be pressured to up your “prosperity gospel”
with your congregation of supportive tithers?
Lessons in court taught you nothing?
Bernard Lim
A good Singaporean will do good things to their community. Those that want to bring harm or hardship to common folk in Singapore should be treated as traitor.
Watari Jin
Stop confusing people by addressing the press secretary Sunny Lee as Mr Lee.
Sham is the defendant of this complaint. Of course he stands by comments, and continue to made accusation to Dr Thum.
To CNA/ng. NG= No good. So stop writing nonsense.
Sham is the defendant of this complaint. Of course he stands by comments, and continue to made accusation to Dr Thum.
To CNA/ng. NG= No good. So stop writing nonsense.
Watari Jin
It is not doubt. All the Lim(s), Ricky Lim, Bernard Lim, or Lim Kopi is the same Limp. 2.2 billion facebook users, 60% are just like Lim!
Watari Jin
There are 2 types of reader, and their comment indicate which one they belongs to.
S-type that has great imagination, creativity.
T-type are meticulous, and critical.
how are they categories by their comment is simple.
S-type will use vocabulary such as traitor, migrate, treason and etc. Such creative words require a certain amount of imagination.
T-type will look on both side of the story. Verify the facts, and only comment when necessary.
Well, seems like most commenters here belongs to the S-type. Kind of like S whole people.
S-type that has great imagination, creativity.
T-type are meticulous, and critical.
how are they categories by their comment is simple.
S-type will use vocabulary such as traitor, migrate, treason and etc. Such creative words require a certain amount of imagination.
T-type will look on both side of the story. Verify the facts, and only comment when necessary.
Well, seems like most commenters here belongs to the S-type. Kind of like S whole people.
Ricky Lim
Watari Jin - Read the following fact :-
PJ Thum, Kirsten Han, Jolovan Wham and Sonny Liew met with Dr Mahathir on Thursday. Dr Thum invited Dr Mahathir to bring democracy to Singapore.
PJ Thum went further the next day. On August 31, Malaysia’s “national day”, he posted an unusual greeting, “Selamat Hari Merdeka to the people of the former Federation of Malaya”, and suggested that Singaporeans should also rejoice on that day since it was Singapore’s “unofficial independence day”.
Separately, in a comment on a TOC video post, Teo Soh Lung said that "Singapore is part of Malaya la".
PJ Thum, Kirsten Han, Jolovan Wham and Sonny Liew met with Dr Mahathir on Thursday. Dr Thum invited Dr Mahathir to bring democracy to Singapore.
PJ Thum went further the next day. On August 31, Malaysia’s “national day”, he posted an unusual greeting, “Selamat Hari Merdeka to the people of the former Federation of Malaya”, and suggested that Singaporeans should also rejoice on that day since it was Singapore’s “unofficial independence day”.
Separately, in a comment on a TOC video post, Teo Soh Lung said that "Singapore is part of Malaya la".
Ricky Lim
Watari Jin - Did they infringe Singapore's Constitution?
Who gave them the authority to present views that infringe Singapore's Constitution?
Including you?
THE REPUBLIC AND THE CONSTITUTION
Republic of Singapore
*3. Singapore shall be a sovereign republic to be known as the Republic of Singapore.
* Section 2(1)(d), Constitution (Amendment) Act 1965 (No. 8 of 1965) and the Republic of Singapore Independence Act 1965 (No. 9 of 1965).
Who gave them the authority to present views that infringe Singapore's Constitution?
Including you?
THE REPUBLIC AND THE CONSTITUTION
Republic of Singapore
*3. Singapore shall be a sovereign republic to be known as the Republic of Singapore.
* Section 2(1)(d), Constitution (Amendment) Act 1965 (No. 8 of 1965) and the Republic of Singapore Independence Act 1965 (No. 9 of 1965).
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Ricky Lim
Watari Jin - Are you supporting all these individual's actions and views - that contradict Singapore's Constitution?
This is not about supporting or opposing any political parties.
This is talking about our fundamental Sovereignty, Constitution, National Security, National Interests, fate and future of every Singaporeans - where Singaporeans will upheld and fight with blood and sweat to protect and safeguard.
This is not about supporting or opposing any political parties.
This is talking about our fundamental Sovereignty, Constitution, National Security, National Interests, fate and future of every Singaporeans - where Singaporeans will upheld and fight with blood and sweat to protect and safeguard.
Johnny Ching
Ricky Lim Singapore is a democracy country, what wrong with invite Dr M to bring democracy to Singapore?
Ricky Lim
Johnny Ching ~ invite me to your house and I will speak to say all bad things about you to your wife and your children in the name of democracy.
Are you happy?
Are you happy?
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Lau Lan Chu
Johnny Ching as we are democratic and yet we need someone to bring democracy. Something wrong?
Singh Prem
There's the General Election, which has taken place every 5 years since 1965, and the PAP has prevailed each time. The majority of the people voted for the PAP, and one would have thought that's true democracy at work. There was no intimidation or threat made against any voter, and the voting process has been transparent, above board [no hanky-panky], and completely trusted by the people. Then, we all remember there's the minority. They could either accept the results, or they could go form a political party to contest the GE. Seems to me, Thum and "comrades" [excluding Sonny Liew, for whom I have a high regard for his literary works], for choice of a better description, are not prepared to do even the latter, as they know they are likely to be humiliated at the Polls. So, they take a different [but rather dubious] route to try and slap the faces of the contented majority. Thum, for instance, pokes fun about our nation's "illegal" independence.
They are frustrated that the PAP has been in power for the last 53 years, and now they try to exploit the Mahathir's return to power, upseating UMNO/BN, as what is needed also in Singapore. They give no respect to the majority, they have no credible agendas to better the current government's policies, agendas and action. They have no viable alternatives to offer, on anything. They are just aiming for one thing - topple the PAP from the government. Why? The answer is fairly obvious - they simply cannot digest the hard truth that the majority of the people understand that governing the nation, and her people, is not an easy task; and that no government can be immaculately good in the job, but the PAP, in government, has done wonders over the years, though there are presenly some sticky issues which require deep analysis, review, and probably changes for the better. The term 'democracy" really means nothing if there is no good governance. The PAP has been challenged over the years at the poll by several political parties but the PAP won a resounding victory each time to form the government, because it does offer good, though not perfect, governance.
Perhaps Thum and "comrades" ought to take their case to the Speakers' Corner. Alternatively, they may wish to consider meeting up with LHL to learn from the PM how the PAP continues to be loved, and respected, by the majority of the people. This meeting will be more fruitful than the one with Mahathir, for with "true enlightenment" comes understanding, instead of living in endless confusion and misery. .
They are frustrated that the PAP has been in power for the last 53 years, and now they try to exploit the Mahathir's return to power, upseating UMNO/BN, as what is needed also in Singapore. They give no respect to the majority, they have no credible agendas to better the current government's policies, agendas and action. They have no viable alternatives to offer, on anything. They are just aiming for one thing - topple the PAP from the government. Why? The answer is fairly obvious - they simply cannot digest the hard truth that the majority of the people understand that governing the nation, and her people, is not an easy task; and that no government can be immaculately good in the job, but the PAP, in government, has done wonders over the years, though there are presenly some sticky issues which require deep analysis, review, and probably changes for the better. The term 'democracy" really means nothing if there is no good governance. The PAP has been challenged over the years at the poll by several political parties but the PAP won a resounding victory each time to form the government, because it does offer good, though not perfect, governance.
Perhaps Thum and "comrades" ought to take their case to the Speakers' Corner. Alternatively, they may wish to consider meeting up with LHL to learn from the PM how the PAP continues to be loved, and respected, by the majority of the people. This meeting will be more fruitful than the one with Mahathir, for with "true enlightenment" comes understanding, instead of living in endless confusion and misery. .
Steve Foley
Of course foreigner leaders shouldn't be involved. They would only call the government out on the lies that they happily feed their populus. That would get in the way of the fearmongering, so of course it's a "no-no".
Paula Tan
Yah lah dont any how meet foreign ministers
..if meet must not anyhow ..hv a tape recorder .. can hv wine sessions like when trump n kim here play host can lah ..
Talk jokes can
No jokes .. turn to our old comedians ..ye fung wan sai or crazy rich asians .. can do all these ..
..if meet must not anyhow ..hv a tape recorder .. can hv wine sessions like when trump n kim here play host can lah ..
Talk jokes can
No jokes .. turn to our old comedians ..ye fung wan sai or crazy rich asians .. can do all these ..
Liew James
To state the obvious, the press secretary is repeating and restating opinions rather than stating facts.Don't anyhow label someone as a traitor just because they purportedly cross an imaginary red line!
Ricky Lim
"cross an imaginary red line!"
Foreign intervention of domestic politics - is crossing a red line (not imaginary red line).
Even in US that champion free speeches ---- Muller is now investigating the possibility of foreign intervention in US election.
Even EU Countries are taking firm stand - against foreign powers from influencing their elections.
No Countries can tolerate "foreign intervention" into domestic politics.
ASEAN has a strong stand in "no interference" in member states politics.
Liew James - obviously you cannot differentiate what is "crossing an imaginary red line!" and what is "cross a real red line!"
Foreign intervention of domestic politics - is crossing a red line (not imaginary red line).
Even in US that champion free speeches ---- Muller is now investigating the possibility of foreign intervention in US election.
Even EU Countries are taking firm stand - against foreign powers from influencing their elections.
No Countries can tolerate "foreign intervention" into domestic politics.
ASEAN has a strong stand in "no interference" in member states politics.
Liew James - obviously you cannot differentiate what is "crossing an imaginary red line!" and what is "cross a real red line!"
James Shon
Inviting foreign leader to intervent into our domestic affair is not a traitor? Do what WP and SDP did, then that is honourable.
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Ricky Lim
Assume all these individuals have their way and organise a seminar with this foreign PM - to set the condition - for "Singapore to be part of Malaya" :-
(1) All Singaporeans must take Malay as the 1st language - and no more English and mother tongue - in Primary, Secondary, Poly, ITE and Uni.
(2) Singapore GDP must contribute half to Federal Gov in KL.
(3) Singapore Army, Navy and Airforce to disband - and KL will take over the planes, ship and armour vehicles - no guarantee it will be able to fly, sail or go on the road.
(4) No more supplying of water to Singapore from Johore - Singapore develop own water.
(5) Bumi Policy will take over Meritocracy for jobs and business.
(6) Singaporeans can only vote in Singapore state - and cannot vote for Malaysia Federal Gov.
(7) Airport and Seaport - can only land in KL and not Singapore.
(8) No more subsidy for HDB flat in Singapore.
(9) No representation of Singaporeans in KL Parliament - only can be State Government of Singapore.
etc policies that will be detrimental to Singapore.
--- now Singaporean critics who slam Singapore for going soft on these few individuals plus all those in this Board that support these few individuals.
The above will be the consequences if Singapore lose our Sovereignty.
Are Singaporeans supporting such political consequences for Singapore - if we lose our Sovereignty?
(1) All Singaporeans must take Malay as the 1st language - and no more English and mother tongue - in Primary, Secondary, Poly, ITE and Uni.
(2) Singapore GDP must contribute half to Federal Gov in KL.
(3) Singapore Army, Navy and Airforce to disband - and KL will take over the planes, ship and armour vehicles - no guarantee it will be able to fly, sail or go on the road.
(4) No more supplying of water to Singapore from Johore - Singapore develop own water.
(5) Bumi Policy will take over Meritocracy for jobs and business.
(6) Singaporeans can only vote in Singapore state - and cannot vote for Malaysia Federal Gov.
(7) Airport and Seaport - can only land in KL and not Singapore.
(8) No more subsidy for HDB flat in Singapore.
(9) No representation of Singaporeans in KL Parliament - only can be State Government of Singapore.
etc policies that will be detrimental to Singapore.
--- now Singaporean critics who slam Singapore for going soft on these few individuals plus all those in this Board that support these few individuals.
The above will be the consequences if Singapore lose our Sovereignty.
Are Singaporeans supporting such political consequences for Singapore - if we lose our Sovereignty?
Green ICT Technology Sharing
KBW is a Malaysian's scholar - what he never invite a foreign politician to intervent with Singapore politic. Than why all the new citizen into Singapore for your political votes. Many or all of us are from somewhere else due to our ancestors and today are global citizen.
Christopher Bong
We don’t need Malaysia to threatened to increase the price of raw water, PAP is doing it on their own with the 30% increment.
Goh Jon Hin
This episode created by TJT and his Co-horts dhas not come at the right time, right after the Double-headed Forked-tongue Roti-Prata come to power and commented on cancelling the HSR project.
This has given them the 'Free" bargaining chips to force SG government's hands, probably utilized to get SG government to agree to the postponement of the HSR project so that the Bolihland can delay the project without incurring any financial loss while the Red Dot has got financially everything to lose.
This has given them the 'Free" bargaining chips to force SG government's hands, probably utilized to get SG government to agree to the postponement of the HSR project so that the Bolihland can delay the project without incurring any financial loss while the Red Dot has got financially everything to lose.
Victor Land
What both Dr Thum and Dr Mahathir Mohamad did was to create "Chaos" within Singaporeans. Both have succeeded. Singaporeans SHOULD NOT fall into their trap. We should stay UNITED and FOCUS on building our nation to be a better place.
Democracy and freedom of speech will never be fully realised in the real world. They should come with national interest and personal responsibility. Otherwise, they are only a VERY SELFISH ideology which only benefit a small group of irresponsible individuals. Look at those nations that practice full democracy and freedom of speech, are they good enough to be a model for other nations to follow???
Democracy and freedom of speech will never be fully realised in the real world. They should come with national interest and personal responsibility. Otherwise, they are only a VERY SELFISH ideology which only benefit a small group of irresponsible individuals. Look at those nations that practice full democracy and freedom of speech, are they good enough to be a model for other nations to follow???
James Shon
May be these clowns trying to be another jho low, carry Dr M's balls and hopefully becoming a billionhair.
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Unker Will
Thum really stupid to write that kind of comment, If you have 'an axe to grind' with the Govt, you also don't make it so obvious. His comment on his FB was totally unnecessary and now find himself trying to defend his stupid mistakes. His actions and his intention that came along with that written comment clearly exposed his inner desire. Any Singaporean with a quick and sound-mind would be able to see it instantly. If he really love Singapore, how is it that he never write any comments to wish Singapore happy birthday or something like that on any of our National Day Celebrations?
Weng Cheng Ye
Please permit me to sit on the fence to guess that they are either traitors to Singapore's sovereign or stirring up sentiments to canvass for votes for the ruling party.
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Ricky Lim
These few chaps can start a political party and contest in election - campaigning using their theme.
Let Singaporeans decide whether we support them or not.
Let Singaporeans decide whether we support them or not.
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Kah Hock Tan
Ricky Lim you look like a professor. It is better to lost among the intellectuals than to crown among the fools.
Ricky Lim
Kah Hock Tan - Majority of the Singaporeans view these chaps and their supporters like you - working against the interests of all Singaporeans.
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Lau Lan Chu
Dave Tan why bring back the past when he curry favour Dr M on democracy? Afraid Dr M don't know or hinting Dr M as we are part of Malaya? Think connotations evidence is strong.
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Edward Frank
Actually the whole issue is how to replace PAP Government in power?? Using which path? From Dr Thum and Tan Wah Piow you can see very clearly they still continue from the 1987 conspiracy ideas to overthrow PAP, but is this still the right way? They claimed to admire Malaysian PM Tun Dr Mahathir's Harapan way to topple BN Barisan Nasional, but Tun's way was the same way as our Opposition in Parliament the The Workers' Party to be the co-driver in Government then later years to debate issues in GE trying to topple the ruling front one day! To face the ruling front in power in the same system and not using force to overthrow. But Tan's again does not change his mind to overthrow PAP, so actually it's a total different way from what we have now in Singapore and Malaysia! His is a total outdated path which we should not follow. Very strange Tun met and sided with them, may be can see Tun's ambitions against Singapore, he may be making use of them! Also I suggest Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) to be banned in next GE, as sided with the BS Barisan Sosialis the left-wing, Tan Wah Piow and many others following Vincent Cheng. These people all the same wish to overthrow PAP by the way of force!!
Yang Ming Tan
Please read more of Msian politics background before inviting them over. To the activies , please to an indepth study who you are inviting. Unless you have your own political motives.
Kianpheng Ong
The govt need to be firm and bring in all these traitors for investigation.
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