Friday, October 4, 2019

The colonial-era law that gives Hong Kong leader sweeping powers
Jerome TAYLOR
ricky l
  • 2 seconds ago
    (1) Invoking the Emergency Order - though only cover the "anti-mask" law - is a good 1st start to give more power to the Police to deal with the protestors better.

    (2) It can help police to identify the identity of the violent protestors and make arrest later. It also provide a proof of evidence to charge the protestors in court. This will serve as deterrent to dissuade protestors from committing violent act.
    For those who refuse to remove their mask, arrest can be made and prosecute them under the Emergency Order - "anti-mask law" - and this will have prevent such mask protestors to commit violent act before he/she reaches the intended destination.

    (3) However, still feel that the Emergency Order - did not go far enough to empower the Police (who are over-stretched) to nip the protest at the bud ---- which will be more effective to quell the unrest quickly.
    Eg. :-
    (a) imposing curfew when an impending violent protest is expected - and make arrest of protestors before they form up for violent actions. (eg forming up at Legislative Council, China Liasion Office, PLA HQ, MTR station, or other sensitive sites).

    (b) banning all protest movement (even peaceful ones) and political activities.

    (c) invoking control of communication channel - eg. making order for media to toe official lines, block social media that organise protest.

    (d) Make arrest without warrant and detain suspected violent protestors for at least 1 year without trial.

    (e) Make any law necessary to bring back law and order - and make HK people go back to school, work and home - and prevent people from hitting the street to protest.

    (4) But as reported, "On Friday Lam said she would consider making new regulations under the emergency law if the violence continued to escalate."

    (5) Only when law and order are restored under the Emergency Order - HK Government should move on to initiate National Dialogue and map out a MasterPlan to address all the grievances of the HK people - which should cover 3 broad categories :-

    (a) Economic grievances - eg. affordable housing, healthcare, education, job prospects etc.

    (b) Social spaces

    (c) Acceptable political freedom
  • ricky l
    13 seconds ago
    (1) The reason :- When implement "anti-mask" under Emergency Order - it will make protestors angry and come out to protest.
    (2) Then if violence escalate, another part of Emergency Order is implemented - to see effective or not - then another angry protest etc etc.
    (3) If implement Emergency Order of all effective measures one shot - the most you get is angry turnout one time ---- and the measures can then put in place to quell the unrest. Only then reconcilliation can take place.
    (4) With incremental implementation of Emergency Order - it may cause each angry turnout per incremental measures.

  • ricky l
    2 seconds ago
    (1) Emergency order cannot be done piecemeal.
    (2) It has to be implemented one full set of interlocking integrated measures to be effective.
    (3) To put out a big fire, one pail of water is not enough.
    (4) It has to be a continuous high speed running hose of water to put out the big fire.
    (5) Emergency Order - denotes "Sweeping Power” means a comprehensive set of effective measures to put out the big fire in one fell swoop.
    (6) Piecemeal measure not so effective to stop big fire.
    (7) Emergency Order (with full set) give the Police the power at the top and higher end of the food chain - pre-emptive and proactive measures to prevent protestors from forming up and fester unrest. It is also the least violent with least bloodbath.
    (8) Anti-mask is lower down the food chain - as it still allow protestors to form up and ignore the anti-mask - and will still overwhelm police strength - more reactive than pre-emptive. Violent and bloodbath will still happen.




  • 殖民時代的法律賦予香港領導人全面的權力

    法新社新聞
    杰羅姆·泰勒
    法新社新聞2019年10月4日
    ricky l2秒前
    (1)援引緊急命令(儘管僅涵蓋“反掩蓋”法律)是一個良好的第一步,可以賦予警察更多權力以更好地與抗議者打交道。

    (2)它可以幫助警察識別暴力示威者的身份並在以後逮捕。它還提供了證據來起訴示威者。這將起到威懾作用,以勸阻抗議者實施暴力行為。
    對於拒絕取下面具的人,可以根據“反面具法”緊急命令對他們進行逮捕和起訴,這將防止此類面具抗議者在到達預定目的地之前實施暴力行為。

    (3)但是,仍然感到緊急命令的執行力度不夠,不足以使警察(過度緊張)有權將抗議活動扼殺在萌芽狀態,這將更有效地快速平息動亂。
    例如。 :-
    (a)在預計將要發生的暴力抗議時實行宵禁-並在抗議者組成暴力行動之前逮捕他們。 (例如在立法會,中國聯絡處,解放軍總部,地鐵站或其他敏感地點組成)。

    (b)禁止一切抗議運動(甚至和平運動)和政治活動。

    (c)調用通信信道的控制-例如下令媒體發表言論,阻止組織抗議活動的社交媒體。

    (d)未經逮捕就逮捕,並在未經審判的情況下將涉嫌暴力抗議者拘留至少一年。

    (e)制定一切必要的法律以恢復法律和秩序-並使香港人重返學校,工作和家中-並防止人們上街抗議。

    (4)但據報導,“林在周五表示,如果暴力事件繼續升級,她將考慮根據緊急法制定新規定。”

    (5)只有根據《緊急命令》恢復法律和秩序時,香港政府才應繼續進行全國對話並製定總體規劃以解決香港人民的所有不滿之情,其中應包括以下三大類:

    (a)經濟不滿-例如經濟適用房,醫療保健,教育,工作前景等

    (b)社會空間

    (c)可接受的政治自由

  • ricky lricky l13秒前
    (1)原因:-根據緊急命令實施“反掩護”時,會使示威者生氣並出來抗議。
    (2)然後,如果暴力升級,則執行緊急命令的另一部分-看看是否有效-然後再進行一次憤怒的抗議等。
    (3)如果一次執行所有有效措施的緊急命令-一次得到的最多是憤怒的投票率-然後可以採取措施平息動亂。 只有這樣才能進行和解。
    (4)隨著緊急命令的逐步執行,每增加一次措施,就有可能導致每次生氣。

  • ricky lricky l2秒前
  • (1)緊急命令不能零星完成。
  • (2)必須實施一套完整的聯鎖綜合措施才能有效。
  • (3)要撲滅大火,一桶水還不夠。
  • (4)滅火必須是連續的高速水帶。
  • (5)緊急命令-表示“清掃力”是指一套全面的有效措施,可一次撲滅大火。
  • (6)零星的措施並不能有效阻止大火。
  • (7)緊急命令(全套)賦予警察在食物鏈最高端和更高端的權力-採取先發製人和積極主動的措施,以防止抗議者集結和化膿。 它也是暴力最少,洗手最少的人。
  • (8)防面具在食物鏈中處於較低位置-因為它仍然允許示威者形成並忽略防面具-並且仍將壓倒警察的力量-比先發製人更具反應性。 暴力和血腥屠殺仍然會發生。
  • 6 hours ago
    hey garbage, do you even understand what is communism?

    One day hundreds years later when the technological advanced insane and ambitious men of CCP put unreasonable demands on the world, they are going to destroy every single human right that ever existed on earth.

    When men have absolute power, what do you think will happen?
  • ricky l
    1 second ago
    @The Lazy SG Communists - You refering to Trump?
  • Samuel
    19 minutes ago
    Banning the mask will not stop the protestors from pushing for their 5 demands !
    What a dumb idea of using a colonial law at this time !
    ricky

    • OhPehSom
      31 minutes ago
      The protesters love British law.

    7 minutes ago

    Since these running dogs love to be ruled by the whites, they should have a taste of the laws the Brits used to control their colonized subjects. You think the extradition bill is draconian, have a taste of British law. Used only against the colonized yellows but not on their own.


1 hour ago
Every responsible government would have, and is expected to do this. Using the Emergency Law is way overdue. It is time for the HK government to do so, in order to prevent those lawless rioters from continuing to bully and abuse the law enforcement officers and hurting sound minded HK people from further injuries. And to prevent this lawless rioters from further burning and destroying HK.
If this lawless rioters have balls, let them take off their mask and helmet, and let China's GPS catch the image of their faces.
Law and order must be brought back to Hong Kong for the interest and sake of all those sound minded Hong Kong people. The uncivilised and barbaric behaviour of the lawless rioters must be put to a stop.
All those lawless rioters, including all those pigs brain students and their parents can go live in the US and UK if they don't like Hong Kong. They have absolutely no right to go about destroying public properties and facilities and disrupt the lives of those sound minded Hong Kong people.

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