The Prime Minister's Press Secretary Chang Li Lin says the courts will decide on the merits of the case against Mr Li, and the points made on detention and interrogation were "not accurate".
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18 Aug 2017 09:49AM (Updated: 18 Aug 2017 03:27PM)
Kingspade Kingspade
The FACT is the court threw out Tan Cheng Bock's claim that Ong teng cheong is the FIRST elected president & INSISTED halimah is Malay Muslim when in BOTH cases are NOT true. Would you want to be tried in such a court? Even those Pro-PAP supporters who attempted to sue their beloved governemnt had their cases(NS death/injury, accidents due to lift malfunctions, negligence in government hospitals...etc) THROWN OUT.
These Pro-PAP Sheeples are like CHC followers. They lack the ability to 'Think'(a bunch brainwashed draft) & even courage to voice out their dissatisfactions. No wonder they're victimized one by one at the hands of imported criminals & it amuses me EVERYDAY when I read the news about their MISFORTUNATE end & ordeal
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These Pro-PAP Sheeples are like CHC followers. They lack the ability to 'Think'(a bunch brainwashed draft) & even courage to voice out their dissatisfactions. No wonder they're victimized one by one at the hands of imported criminals & it amuses me EVERYDAY when I read the news about their MISFORTUNATE end & ordeal
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Kingspade Kingspade
Jojo Long Kang I think you should ask yourself this question whether you'd still want to support a government who manipulates the laws & constitution just to keep itself in power. Look at President Maduro, Singapore economy is losing steam(bottom 3 worst performing GDP among ASEAN since 2014) & We're slowly but surely becoming the NEXT Venezuela. BTW, Don't whine & cry like when 'Misfortune' hits you in the future :D :D :D
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Ricky Lim ·
Kingspade Kingspade - I think you make 2 accusations about the system which without understanding how the system function.
There is a need to address them :-
(a) You fail to understand the Executive function that legislate the laws and the Court System that administer the law.
(b) You fail to understand the underlying reasons of Executive decision being made in which Court has no jurisdiction to administer them.
(1) Let address your accusation of why Court throw out Tan Cheng Bok's claim that Ong teng cheong is the FIRST elected president.
(a) It is not the Court function to determine the count on reservation for Malay as President - it is the Executive function that determine when the new system start - which is decided and passed in the Parliament.
(b) Now there is no articulated reasons why this round is reserved for Malay as President and not the next round.
But it will not be too difficult to guess - given that there are some sesimic development that give the impetus to reserve for Malay candidancy that is not convenient for Government to make public:-
(i) Geopolitical shift that will have great impact in the Asia Pacific region.
China is increasingly influential in the Asia Pacific region. Singapore being a Chinese majority - will cause disquietedness to our 2 Malay neighbors.
As Singapore is cooperating with China on many project initiatives - there is a need to provide comfort to our 2 Malay neighbors that Singapore is still a multi-racial Country and not a China vassal state.
Thus having a Malay as President will be an appropriate representaton of Singapore's political, cultural and social makeup.
(ii) ISIS terrorism is rearing its head in SE-Asia. Having a Malay President will certainly help in networking and working with the neighboring Muslim Community.
(iii) If you read Mr Lee KY memoir, Singapore deliberately wait for Indonesia and Malaysia to establish diplomatic relationship with China before Singapore do.
So Kingspade Kingspade - don't assume that the Govt is trying to squeeze Tan Cheng Bok out by exercising the reservation for Malays. You are only spreading unnecessary rumor for discord.
There is a need to address them :-
(a) You fail to understand the Executive function that legislate the laws and the Court System that administer the law.
(b) You fail to understand the underlying reasons of Executive decision being made in which Court has no jurisdiction to administer them.
(1) Let address your accusation of why Court throw out Tan Cheng Bok's claim that Ong teng cheong is the FIRST elected president.
(a) It is not the Court function to determine the count on reservation for Malay as President - it is the Executive function that determine when the new system start - which is decided and passed in the Parliament.
(b) Now there is no articulated reasons why this round is reserved for Malay as President and not the next round.
But it will not be too difficult to guess - given that there are some sesimic development that give the impetus to reserve for Malay candidancy that is not convenient for Government to make public:-
(i) Geopolitical shift that will have great impact in the Asia Pacific region.
China is increasingly influential in the Asia Pacific region. Singapore being a Chinese majority - will cause disquietedness to our 2 Malay neighbors.
As Singapore is cooperating with China on many project initiatives - there is a need to provide comfort to our 2 Malay neighbors that Singapore is still a multi-racial Country and not a China vassal state.
Thus having a Malay as President will be an appropriate representaton of Singapore's political, cultural and social makeup.
(ii) ISIS terrorism is rearing its head in SE-Asia. Having a Malay President will certainly help in networking and working with the neighboring Muslim Community.
(iii) If you read Mr Lee KY memoir, Singapore deliberately wait for Indonesia and Malaysia to establish diplomatic relationship with China before Singapore do.
So Kingspade Kingspade - don't assume that the Govt is trying to squeeze Tan Cheng Bok out by exercising the reservation for Malays. You are only spreading unnecessary rumor for discord.
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Ricky Lim ·
Kingspade Kingspade - You mention that halimah is Malay Muslim is not true - because her father is an Indian Muslim and her mother is a Malay.
Then how do you classify Peranakan - are the Chinese or Malay?
I have a friend who speak Hokkien, Malay and English very well and he look like Chinese.
So does he means that being a Peranakan - he cannot be Chinese and he must be Malay.
But he look every bit like Chinese and he is has been leading a Chinese life.
So if he put himself up as Chinese - then can you say no?
And if he put himself as a Malay - then can you say no?
If Mdm Halimah has been always and accepted by the Malay Community, then what is wrong to be a Malay Muslim?
Dr M has always called himself a Malay muslim even though he has a Indian Muslim blood - but Malaysia think he is alright to be a Malay muslim.
And assume an Italian, Spanish, German, etc called themselves Eurasian and want to contest as candidate for Eurasian, are you going to stop them - Mr Kingspade Kingspade?
Then how do you classify Peranakan - are the Chinese or Malay?
I have a friend who speak Hokkien, Malay and English very well and he look like Chinese.
So does he means that being a Peranakan - he cannot be Chinese and he must be Malay.
But he look every bit like Chinese and he is has been leading a Chinese life.
So if he put himself up as Chinese - then can you say no?
And if he put himself as a Malay - then can you say no?
If Mdm Halimah has been always and accepted by the Malay Community, then what is wrong to be a Malay Muslim?
Dr M has always called himself a Malay muslim even though he has a Indian Muslim blood - but Malaysia think he is alright to be a Malay muslim.
And assume an Italian, Spanish, German, etc called themselves Eurasian and want to contest as candidate for Eurasian, are you going to stop them - Mr Kingspade Kingspade?
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Ricky Lim ·
Kingspade Kingspade - You mention that "Even those Pro-PAP supporters who attempted to sue their beloved governemnt had their cases(NS death/injury, accidents due to lift malfunctions, negligence in government hospitals...etc) THROWN OUT."
Now again there are 2 parts :- Executive function that legislate law and Court function that administer the law.
If Court is not given the jurisdiction according to the law, Court have to throw out the case.
So does that mean there are no justice for the victims of such cases?
It is not true.
There are justice to handle such cases --- because they involved National Security - and cannot be sue in open court.
Eg. NS are trial by military court.
Minister can convene Commission of Inquiry.
Disciplinary actions will also be taken. Compensation are also made to the victims - but whether the victim family accept it as adequate is another matter - the same logic goes even if it goes to the Court.
And everyone who are in National Service should be convinced that Mindef take safety and security very seriously and in fact did ensure that the soldiers are trained in a safe and secure environment without compromising training.
Of course we are in a Samsara world, no one can guarantee 100% accident free despite rigorous safety measures undertaken. Only a Pureland or Paradise can guarantee 100% accident free.
Even hospital negligence are dealt in a similar manner including lift maintenance - even though it involve enormous cost.
So Kingspade Kingspade - what say you?
Now again there are 2 parts :- Executive function that legislate law and Court function that administer the law.
If Court is not given the jurisdiction according to the law, Court have to throw out the case.
So does that mean there are no justice for the victims of such cases?
It is not true.
There are justice to handle such cases --- because they involved National Security - and cannot be sue in open court.
Eg. NS are trial by military court.
Minister can convene Commission of Inquiry.
Disciplinary actions will also be taken. Compensation are also made to the victims - but whether the victim family accept it as adequate is another matter - the same logic goes even if it goes to the Court.
And everyone who are in National Service should be convinced that Mindef take safety and security very seriously and in fact did ensure that the soldiers are trained in a safe and secure environment without compromising training.
Of course we are in a Samsara world, no one can guarantee 100% accident free despite rigorous safety measures undertaken. Only a Pureland or Paradise can guarantee 100% accident free.
Even hospital negligence are dealt in a similar manner including lift maintenance - even though it involve enormous cost.
So Kingspade Kingspade - what say you?
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Ricky Lim ·
Kingspade Kingspade - You mention that "Singapore economy is losing steam(bottom 3 worst performing GDP among ASEAN since 2014) & We're slowly but surely becoming the NEXT Venezuela. "
I think you fail to understand "mechanics of Economy" by making such a comment.
Firstly do you understand how economic growth and GDP are generated from a developing country versus a developed Country?
A developing country has low infrastructure development, larger base of lower income group, more agricultural base and less developed industrial sector. Lower absolute GDP numbers and low per capita GDP.
A developed country is one that its infrastructure is very heavily build. Many citizens have moved up the income status with big middle income group and high income group. Less agriculturlal base, stronger industrial base and service base. Higher absolute GDP and higher per capita GDP.
Given this context, it is not possible for a developed Country to have very high growth whereby most developed Countries all over the world hover around 0% to 3% - where even 1.5% to 3% will be a very good growth.
I suggest you read up on some Economic theory before you comments. Otherwse you sounds like a juvenile commenting on something that you don't understand and make yourself a laughing stock.
I think you fail to understand "mechanics of Economy" by making such a comment.
Firstly do you understand how economic growth and GDP are generated from a developing country versus a developed Country?
A developing country has low infrastructure development, larger base of lower income group, more agricultural base and less developed industrial sector. Lower absolute GDP numbers and low per capita GDP.
A developed country is one that its infrastructure is very heavily build. Many citizens have moved up the income status with big middle income group and high income group. Less agriculturlal base, stronger industrial base and service base. Higher absolute GDP and higher per capita GDP.
Given this context, it is not possible for a developed Country to have very high growth whereby most developed Countries all over the world hover around 0% to 3% - where even 1.5% to 3% will be a very good growth.
I suggest you read up on some Economic theory before you comments. Otherwse you sounds like a juvenile commenting on something that you don't understand and make yourself a laughing stock.
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Ricky Lim ·
I dislike wasting my time to write long story and rebutt you point by point.
But the accusations you make about "contempt of court" and "government abuse system to keep themselves in power" --- are serious allegation --- the like of what LiSW, LHY and LWL --- that have make about the Government and the system --- and it its imperative to waste the time to rebutt you one by one.
Else people may go away thinking what you write is true.
But the accusations you make about "contempt of court" and "government abuse system to keep themselves in power" --- are serious allegation --- the like of what LiSW, LHY and LWL --- that have make about the Government and the system --- and it its imperative to waste the time to rebutt you one by one.
Else people may go away thinking what you write is true.
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