REACH 233 - Views on new vaccination strategies (SK)
19 May 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[10:00 am, 19/05/2021] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
π¬ What do you think of Singapore’s vaccination strategy? How are you adapting to the new tightened measures so far?
In the Multi-Ministry Taskforce (MTF) press conference yesterday, Minister Lawrence Wong said that Singapore is in a critical period of its fight against Covid-19, and new cases will continue to be picked up before tapering off in about two weeks.
Minister also called on Singaporeans to "do everything we can" to slow down the spread of the virus - by getting vaccinated, staying at home and being properly masked - noting that they have cooperated with the measures so far and taken the restrictions in their stride.
This was announced amid the new strategy for Singapore's vaccination programme which includes:
• Those aged 40-44 years old can register for vaccinations from today (19 May)
• Interval between the doses will be extended to 6-8 weeks, speeding up its COVID-19 vaccination rollout and prioritising first doses for more people to increase the nationwide coverage
• Approval of Pfizer vaccine for those aged 12-15; Ministry of Education to provide an update soon.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-delays-2nd-vaccine-dose-to-6-8-weeks-later-those-aged-40-44-can-register-for-jabs
πhttps://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-in-critical-period-of-covid-19-fight-infection-numbers-should-come-down
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/delaying-2nd-dose-of-vaccine-will-not-impact-overall-protection-ong-ye-kung
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[10:02 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: If not useful why agree with just any mask in the first place π€¦π»π€¦π»π€¦π»
[10:02 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Now we have a rush for mask again
[10:03 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Should have outright ban anything other than issued or certified mask.
Now people just wear anything cover face can already
[10:03 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: think takes time to SG to ramp up production of surgical mask
[10:03 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: I see a few local brands, made the mask in SG
[10:04 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: recently getting more and more
[10:04 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: How to enforce when the initial implementation of mask is not enforced π€¬
[10:04 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: but majority here wear single use mask, so far I see in the public
[10:04 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Really hard to tell which are certified…
[10:05 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: MOH got to educate the public on this liao lor
[10:05 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Waste money to buy Uniqlo, under amour mask.. now tell you actually not very good π€·π»♂️
[10:06 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: because of the new variant lor...
[10:06 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Enforcement for the lady.. haha no badge, what can you do? π€¨
[10:07 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: if got not much community cases, think u can wear these
[10:07 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: The enforcement not serious enough? People take it as a joke π€¬π€¬π€¬
[10:08 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: I think 6 to 8 weeks still make sense. But MUST ensure that people dun think I get one dose of vaccination already i can go out anywhere anytime i want, ignore social distancing and wearing of masks measures. Actually I am wondering why fully vaccinated persons still get infected. The only point I can think of is the recovery time after vaccination. During vaccination, our immunity trigger response to fight back. During this period our immunity system will weaken slightly as we try to recognise the virus pattern, adapt to it and build up immunity. Probably after 1st vaccination, our recovery time is unable to complete within 3 weeks and then 2nd vaccination comes in and the immunity system is weakened again. And the 2nd time it weakens, it will take an even longer time to boost back immunity. My guess is that the recovery time is probably abt 3 mths after 2nd vaccination (one of the earliest was 2nd vaccination is in Feb if I remember correctly?) and then we are really well protected. Also it means our education to vaccinated people needs to buck up, as they seem to have the impression once I get fully vaccinated I am protected already.
[10:08 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: why don't allow 12-15 years old to pre-register? with this Gov know the percentage of this grp want to be jab
[10:08 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Vaccinated don’t mean you are immune π
[10:09 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Efficacy 95% means you still have 5% of getting it based on the strain they studied.
[10:09 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: 100 will have 5 still gets it even fully vaccinated
[10:09 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Ya but our numbers of vaccinated people being infected is past that 5%
[10:10 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: That’s is not how is being counted
[10:10 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: And not all are being picked up yet.
[10:10 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Total numbers vaccinated vs vaccinated and got it.
Is way way lower. And you need to sample correctly.. so it is not fair to judge that way
[10:11 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Anyway if you realise no countries really share vaccinated and still gets it in their case reported lol..
[10:12 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Why you should understand people will use it… see vaccinated still get it vaccine for what?
[10:12 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: π€£π€£
[10:13 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: List of possibilities
Non vaccinated
Vaccinated
Recovered and reinfected
Vaccinated recovered and reinfected.
How much data you can process for normal human with not much understanding on the subject
[10:17 am, 19/05/2021] +Anne: It will be good for our G to release some figures. Currently we are in the dark as to what is the outcome of vaccination. The number of fully vaccinated who got infected (with what strain) and the number of unvaccinated (with what strain). The number who need hospitalisation with what treatment, the number who died (got complications?). The number of all the adverse reactions, serious and non-serious. The type of adverse reactions reported but doctors found no link to the vaccines. The numbers will give us a feel of what is really happening.
[10:18 am, 19/05/2021] +Anne: Or they can release more detailed medical information without patient data. I’m sure there are always data scientists who are willing to assess the data. But then, the data pool may be too small.
[10:22 am, 19/05/2021] +james: agreed!
[10:23 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Sometimes data if in the hands of people who don’t understand… and makes it even harder to push for vaccinations.
In terms of context and figures…
Even educated and trained personal takes awhile to understand. Be it normal non trained individual.
In layman overall answer is vaccination will help to reduce serious illness and there is chance to still get the virus but it will be lower.
[10:24 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: If no data is released, more and more people are questioning what is the use of vaccination since can get infected again.
[10:25 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: At least have some facts and figures to help educate people. Accurate and correct knowledge is power.
[10:25 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Ignorance cause chaos and confusion
[10:25 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: And hostility
[10:28 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Even release how many can actually understand?
And they only see the infected not the percentage… and more resource put in the track and follow up.
It is a ever changing landscape. With various strain having different infection rate. Present to everyone is super hard for the person to prepare the data. Be it to even do it daily or weekly.
Educated enough… if they explain it correctly who is there to correct it if it is wrong?
[10:32 am, 19/05/2021] +jimmy chew: I was at JEMs on May 1 and is encourage to take a swab. But resources does not seem to support it. I can't seem to register for swab test on Fullerton health Care website their verification codes didn't appear. The bookings at the Jurong club earliest visit is May 30. Appreciate if you could inform the folks Fullerton health about it. I have wrote to them and there is no pick up on their General number
[10:33 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: To be fair it worked for a year....
[10:34 am, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Student Learning Space system used for home-based learning 'back on track' after slowdown: MOE
The Student Learning Space (SLS) system has been restored to normal after a "slowdown" on Wednesday (May 19) morning as primary and secondary schools, junior colleges as well as Millennia Institute entered their first day of full home-based learning.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moe-student-learning-space-down-online-home-based-learning-14838502
[10:34 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, let's remind people the vaccine does not make them 100% immune but will significantly reduce harm to them. It's a shield not a suit of armour.
[10:34 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Excellent suggestion
[10:35 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: We don't know that
[10:35 am, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: For the new vaccination strategy, I think it’s a bold and visionary move after taking in calculated risks. ππ» to Min Ong and team. It will protect more people while we get more vaccines in for second jab and that will “bubble wrap” our people while still wearing masks. I expect infection rates to fall very low later on.
For the tightened measures, I guess most of us are ready adapted. This is like Phase 1 except most shops are opened and we can still go about doing our stuff.
My 2.14 cents
[10:35 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: We don't know how many people would have got Covid if they were not vaccinated, so we cannot know the % that are vaccinated who contracted Covid.
[10:36 am, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Student Learning Space system used for home-based learning 'back on track' after slowdown: MOE
The Student Learning Space (SLS) system has been restored to normal after a "slowdown" on Wednesday (May 19) morning as primary and secondary schools, junior colleges as well as Millennia Institute entered their first day of full home-based learning.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moe-student-learning-space-down-online-home-based-learning-14838502
[10:36 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, stats would help reassure and prevent panic.
[10:37 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: π
[10:38 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: 1m vaccinated and only 10 of those got covid...... of course that is not a useful statistic I know, but way better than saying out of 40 cases 10 were vaccinated so 25% is the success rate. That's even more misleading!
[10:39 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Spent 30 minutes telling teachers we couldn't connect due to a Wrong Password error. I did manage to connect on my phone OK, but how can this be so hard to organise??
[10:41 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Lol… we are not expert give data, how many can interpret it well..
And if anyone want to present is bias also… you know what is outlier elimination lol… data can be altered so don’t bother.
We can only see the end results.. although too late but even if you make noise. Does it help? Will it improve the process or hinder it further? Lol
[10:42 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: To get accurate numbers, you need to:
1) Put a group of vaccinated people (lets say 1000) in the room.
2) Release pathogens (Covid) into the room.
3) Find out how many infected.
Repeat step 1 to Step 3, to find results for Covid variants.
[10:43 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: lol
[10:43 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Data collection bias
Sample personal to do the check bias
Pathogen representative bias
Data recongise bias
That’s why we need peer review for research to point out all these… how to present daily?
[10:43 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Are you and 999 vaccinated friends volunteering? π
[10:44 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: Definitely not... Unless I grow whiskers.
[10:45 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Even in the study of efficacy of the vaccine many vaccinated, they only follow 1000 individual to do the study. For both side vaccinated and non vaccinated.
[10:46 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Go read the details and how the remove and count which is consider you read till you blur
[10:46 am, 19/05/2021] +Valli: As cases have increased & more swabbing is done, has GOV thought of setting up more such centres in residential areas to eliminate crowding at the current designated locations. To prevent transmission to bigger groups.
To prevent infected people from travelling far to get tested.
Swab centres set up to be sheltered, open, spacious & airy .
GPs & Polyclinic are aircon & crowded.
[10:49 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: One question why there is only recommended swab test for only a few places… not all affected areas? How they choose which area to do swab test?
[10:51 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: Can do at schools. Since now is closed
[10:52 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: Not completely closed.
[10:53 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: Shopping centers
[10:53 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Good idea - localised test centres where people can get checked. Is it possible to be free? It's not a nice experience so people won't be queuing unless they are genuinely concerned. lol
[10:54 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: π
[10:58 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Actually can all students and teachers in all schools get swabbed this month and Jun?
[10:58 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: I think necessary coz we dunno what extend the school clusters have spread. Students tend to mingle cross schools as they go for tuition and enrichment classes.
[10:59 am, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Even across CCAs they have their own inter-school groups of interest where they are friends.
[11:05 am, 19/05/2021] +Valli: Agree.
A mass swabbing should be conducted for all school staffs & students.
[11:09 am, 19/05/2021] +Valli: Swabbing to be done at the nearest school to their house. No need to travel far.
[11:25 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: doubt we have such testing capabilities...
[11:25 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: I rem, 1 week we have about 80K test capabilities.
[11:26 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19
[11:26 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: I strongly object.
[11:27 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/how-singapore-made-covid-19-breathalyser-works
We need this...
[11:27 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: This is all our money π₯
Hopefully they can find a cost effective way to do it
[11:27 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: for people who are scared of poke into nose
[11:28 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: If you understand the technology… it is not cheap to run.. but is fast
[11:28 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: good for children also
[11:29 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: if not poor thing, getting poke into nose
[11:30 am, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Oops this is different from another breathe one.. this one not sure
[11:30 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: π
[11:31 am, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Curious why?
[11:33 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: U guys know where I'm coming from.
[11:34 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: 1) No school clusters.
2) Schools are isolated institution. you cannot see all schools as an entity. If you can, then everyone who resides in Singapore should get one.
[11:35 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: The agony and crying screams of school children all over Singapore because Valli suggested it in Reach. I shuddered at the thought of it.
[11:41 am, 19/05/2021] +Valli: If the cases increase drastically with more & more unlink cases, eventually we end up having to do swabbing for the majority.
[11:43 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: You go to Bedok Pri, I'm in Jurong Pri. Bedok Pri has Covid, why do you swab someone in Jurong Pri?
[11:44 am, 19/05/2021] +Dong Liang: Currently the swab is still voluntary, it may come to a stage that swab has to be compulsory.
[11:44 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: You should go get a Singapore map, everyone within 100m radius of Bedok Pri takes a swab test. I thnk its more effective that way.
[11:45 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: thought for sch, is compulsory?
[11:46 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: With technology advancement, if they can do it like how u use a thermometer. I think many will be happy to oblige.
[11:47 am, 19/05/2021] +Dan: U mean those with infected cases.
[11:47 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: I mean those sch, got covid then they test the whole sch
[11:49 am, 19/05/2021] +Dong Liang: All citizens should be issued a 'Green pass', valid for 2 weeks after negative swab test. Without the green pass, they are not allowed to move out of the house.
[11:50 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: like in dorms ah
[11:50 am, 19/05/2021] +An fan: You see some cases, sometimes it can not be detected by swab. Only a few days later it becomes positive. So unless we isolate each and every one 21 days and test then we may find all cases.
[11:50 am, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: no test, no work
[11:51 am, 19/05/2021] +Dong Liang: No test, no salary
[0:15 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Yes everyone ideally, but have to start somewhere
[0:15 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Plenty of kids have had it. We don't stop doing things because kids don't want them.
[0:16 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dan: Quantify yourself.
[0:16 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Makes sense. Swift action
[0:16 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Which statement?
[0:16 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dan: ππ»
[0:17 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: My kid often says he doesn't want to do something, like going to the dentist. It doesn't mean he doesn't go to the dentist
[0:17 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Any kids who went on a cruise to nowhere had the test done.
[0:17 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: That's a lot of kids.
[0:18 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Children are much less likely to follow the rules, wash hands etc.
[0:19 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Lol… not just children bah π
Me also guilty
[0:19 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: π€£
[0:19 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Lol
[0:19 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://sg.style.yahoo.com/b1617-coronavirus-strain-attacking-children-101455171.html
New B1617 Coronavirus Strain: This Is What Is Attacking Children In Singapore
[0:19 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-effective-against-171414872.html
US study show that both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are still effective against India double mutants variants - though less effective as compared to other variants.
[0:20 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/biden-says-unvaccinated-may-end-174922868.html
Biden warning those who refuse to vaccinate - "may end up paying the price".
Blunt but factual, no mincing of words or niceties.
[0:21 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: No bullshit president π
I also agree with his not accepting bullshit job when given, will remove support for covid.
[0:22 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
In time of crisis, tough President is needed.
[0:22 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dan: Your argument of having the school children tested because you want to test the whole population, but you have nowhere to begin, so you choose them?
[0:22 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/us-weekly-deaths-from-covid-19-fall-to-lowest-in-14-months-14829592
US weekly deaths from COVID-19 fall to lowest in 14 months
[0:23 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Let's try to stop calling it Indian variants....
[0:23 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dan: π
[0:24 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: We are seeing cases of school kids appearing. They are all out of school at the moment. Seems like a good place to start.
[0:25 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. When Trump is around, many Americans die and hospitals are overwhelmed.
2. When Biden helm the White House - he makes everyone wear mask and ramp up vaccination.
Now Americans are seeing a dip in infection and hospitalisation.
3. Strong leadership, decisive right actions - can change the course of the crisis.
[0:26 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yahoo and AFP call it.
[0:26 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/entire-families-wiped-out-by-covid-19s-carnage-in-rural-india
Live: 50 doctors die from Covid across India in one day as infections cross 25 million
[0:26 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/live-50-doctors-die-covid-042155912.html
Live: 50 doctors die from Covid across India in one day as infections cross 25 million
[0:27 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: I know, but we don't need to repeat it in out own text.
[0:27 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Then call it b....?
[0:30 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Just one hesitancy in vaccination by people in India - the largest vaccines producer and exporter - the variants outbreak cause the largest virus outbreak and the global outbreak.
[0:34 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/taiwan-covid-19-vaccine-in-talks-us-biden-14830908
Taiwan mobilises diplomats to seek out vaccines as infection cases soar.
[0:39 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: I just say variant - it doesn't really matter where it was identified....
[0:40 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
No problem.
As long as message is clear.
Just can't remember the long code B ... Something.
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: b1617 v2
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: lol me neither and people's eye glaze over at that point. They are all variants by now anywhere... the original virus must have mutated all over the place!
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: that's the strain in singapore
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: per last nite MOH release
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if not wrong b1617 have 3 strains
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I think more than 1 code if I can remember.
[0:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: lol and probably everywhere else they just haven't identified them.
[0:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Just feels irrelevant - only useful for the scientists to know. It's not like we can see the difference on someone...
[0:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: or do anything about it
[0:43 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
A news article say the original covid has run its full course - and no longer exist.
I can't find that article as I read it while on the move.
[0:43 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: And does it get names after the country, region, town or person??? India is a huge place, as is China or the US....
[0:44 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Just seems very unhelpful to name it like that, and causes friction and awkwardness.
[0:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: each country variant have a code
[0:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but for this so call india variant there are 3 i remember but ti starts with 1617 ....
[0:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: brazil / uk / south Africa/ each have a code tagged as well
[0:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Daphne See: B1617
[0:46 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: that's how they scientifically name them for now
[1:17 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: ’No truth' in India news reports claiming Singapore variant of COVID-19 virus: MOH
The Ministry of Health (MOH) on Tuesday (May 18) said that there is “no truth whatsoever” in the assertion in several news reports in India that there is a Singapore variant of the COVID-19 virus.
More https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-variant-covid-19-no-truth-india-reports-moh-14834998
[1:28 pm, 19/05/2021] +Poh S. Lim: India is a hot bed of conspiracy theories. All bad actors find an outlet through the press there and thereby try to gain credibility.
Any news coming out from India should be viewed with skepticism and fact-checked before they can be believed.
[1:34 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: On Tracetogether App & Token:
I hope MOH will inform me on close contact based on Tracetogether Bluetooth exchange of a person with COVID.
With no need SafeEntry for those shops within malls, this will be a important function to have.
[1:34 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: Now it only show alert based on SafeEntry data and not Tracetogether data.
[1:40 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: MFA expresses 'concerns' to India High Commissioner over Delhi chief minister's comment on 'Singapore' COVID-19 variant
Singapore's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) has expressed its concerns to India's High Commissioner over comments made by Delhi chief minister Arvind Kejriwal about a purported COVID-19 variant found in Singapore.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/india-high-commissioner-delhi-chief-minister-covid-19-variant-14839478
[1:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: Actually we should be careful too. Cause a virus can mutate in Sg too
[1:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: #justSaying
[1:42 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/malaysia-selangor-covid-19-quarantine-centre-maeps-challenging-14826674
'Increasingly challenging' situation at Selangor quarantine centre due to growing admissions: Health department
[1:44 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Lockdown, face mask, social distancing and vaccination - will prevent mutations from happening.
If infectious people are keep closely together for a sustain period of time, mutations can occur.
I think our current measures can prevent mutations.
[1:49 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Even if virus mutate due to RNA virus replication as it does not have error correction ability - as long as all the above measures prevent them from jumping hosts.
Mutants will die a natural death.
[1:50 pm, 19/05/2021] +Smiley face: Pls refer to the fight on TB, how, what, when, now....
There are similarity of pointers to learn.
[1:52 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
The fight against TB is successful - because there is an near 100% vaccination rate.
No one cast doubt about vaccination or spread resistance to BCG vaccination.
[1:55 pm, 19/05/2021] +Smiley face: A metaphorical instance...
'When you go to your world class tailor for a custom suit... very often the FIRST fitting can never be the final fit....'
"QUIK FIX NEVER FITS"
[1:56 pm, 19/05/2021] +Smiley face: Look at the time line graph, how many years to flatten?
[1:57 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
By the time India wait for the right fix - multiple million has succumb and thousands of death are reported.
[1:58 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
US, Israel, UK, Spain, Italy go for the fix available to them - and they are now reopening their Economy and the death rates go down.
[1:58 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: Dear Reach, this is great but please run more comms to educate people on proper mask hygiene. No more half masks, don't "wu dai boh dai" pull down or open up the mask, don't leave the masks on surfaces etc etc.
[1:58 pm, 19/05/2021] +Smiley face: The problems of abundance (population, living conditions and etc)
The paradox of success (failure)
[1:59 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Taiwan - champion in mask and distancing - now see an outbreak - and now plead for the quick fix vaccines.
[1:59 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: And how to wear a surgical mask properly. Like pull down to the chin level.
[1:59 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: I see some the mask are already badly Frey
[1:59 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Decisive leadership that take calculated risk is needed in a crisis.
[2:01 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Some kiasi can wait and wait until a perfect solution come out.
It could take 2 years, 10 years - by that time like India - many death will be lying on the street, economy devastated, massive job loss.
This is the price you pay for going for the so call optimal solution.
[2:05 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Nothing is perfect.
But what solution that have come out - and can fix the problem - though not perfectly - is a good solution.
Waiting for perfect solution - is as good as wait lie in a coffin or gasping for oxygen.
India situation is for everyone to see - and yet some are still not learning the lesson.
[2:35 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Tongue twisted media crap!
[2:37 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Covid-19 restrictions fairly aggressive but necessary; not all viable in long term: Experts
The Republic's current slew of Covid-19 restrictions, though fairly aggressive, are necessary given the country's current Covid-19 trends.
More https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-restrictions-fairly-aggressive-but-necessary-not-all-viable-in-long-term-experts
[2:39 pm, 19/05/2021] +Smiley face: Just for the casual coffee and coffin chat... This covid will be long run game, like a marathon. I'm drawing on past pandemics since the 18th century. What are the lessons learned, the challenges, victims and victories?
Big population comes with big challenges of all shapes and sizes, a different dynamics and matrixes, country to country.
For India, 2021, there were two major lapses, the physical election campaigns/events and the recent Ganges celebrations that led to today's calamity.
If the world runs solely on ONE banker, one should portion some money under one's bed...
With it Pro Vac or Pro Choice, we need a private space and think before one decides a choice.
MEANTIME, some issues will be handled in a world class lab experiment to proof the rights from the wrongs, importantly seek for improvements!
An old saying... "the meals are readily served on the table with plates, forks and spoons..." that's the conveniences of the modern HOME that we inherited from this table of content(ment)...
After all is a REACH to share and improve things!
[2:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: MFA meets India High Commissioner to express concerns over Delhi minister's claims of S'pore Covid-19 strain https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/mfa-meets-india-high-commissioner-to-express-concerns-over-delhi-ministers-claims?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[2:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dan: ππ½π€πΌ
[2:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alex: My kids have each had 3 Covid tests aged 6, 4 and 2.
Two year old wasn't massively happy for first two but fine for third. It's not a problem.
[2:48 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. One wrong move - we go the India way.
2. One right move - we go the US way.
3. India do well initially and the moment they hesitate in vaccination - all hell break lose.
4. US refuses to wear mask and vaccinate under Trump - and US infection is world champion.
5. Under Biden who enforce mask and vaccination - they now reopen their economy as infection plummet.
6. We are now facing life and death and everyone livelihood.
There are little margin for error.
Wrong decision or indecisive leadership - will sacrifice many lives and livelihood.
We can have little of this.
[2:50 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, let's not make this an issue
[2:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not surprise cos we have a cocktail of virus locally but transmistting one is 1617-2
[2:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: some report (local) did mentioned we already saw traces of Brazil / s.Africa / UK but these been quarantine so assume no run loose of these
[2:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if yes get ready for a ala singapore sling C19
[2:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +YT: The world has India to thank for not doing enough and allowing millions to get infected, thereby allowing the virus a chance to mutate. So, we are back to 2020 because of India. What audacity does he have to claim WE gave them the virus. Either this guy is living in his own world or he is just malicious and out to deflect attention away from his own incompetence by putting the blame on others.
[3:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: ππ
[3:02 pm, 19/05/2021] +KS Foong: Fully agree
[3:02 pm, 19/05/2021] +Valli: Yes. India politics π
Taichi the blame to others.
Hide their own irresponsible behaviour & inability to contain the virus.
[3:11 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. And just to add on, the current mRNA is not a quick fix vaccines.
2. It started many years ago to resolve fast evolving coronavirus such as SARS, MERs.
3. Many trials have been conducted on animals and humans.
4. Why this mRNA can be produced so fast is because:-
a. Many scientists share genetic code and facts - aided by internet.
b. The advent of AI and data analytics has helped to speed up the vaccines development without compromising safety.
5. Why BCG vaccination to curb TB takes 10 years because there is no internet for scientists to share code. There is no AI and data analytics to trawl trove and trove of information to expedite the development of vaccines.
6. So to say we are taking a quick fix vaccines is not entirely true.
[3:14 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Airborne transmission of Covid-19 plausible factor in Tan Tock Seng Hospital cases: MOH:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/airborne-transmission-covid-19-plausible-factor-tan-tock-seng-hospital-cases-moh?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[3:15 pm, 19/05/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
7. In fact medical scientists mention that this mRNA vaccines can prevent future coronavirus that is not covid-19 or curb its spread.
8. So taking this mRNA vaccines has many benefits - not only to solve this current covid-19, but will also give some protection for future disease X that are coronavirus in nature.
[4:02 pm, 19/05/2021] +Timothy Low: Just curious, is Singapore Government able to issue POFMA against him?
[4:02 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: I doubt so as diplomatic channels is used instead.
[4:06 pm, 19/05/2021] +Caleb: Can POFMA meh? Overseas news lei
[4:07 pm, 19/05/2021] +Timothy Low: Cause I saw this:
What Happens If a Falsehood had Originated from Overseas?
If a falsehood had originated from an overseas source but is being communicated in Singapore, it will still fall under the purview of POFMA which applies to communications of falsehoods in Singapore.
https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/singapore-fake-news-protection-online-falsehoods-manipulation/#overseas
[4:08 pm, 19/05/2021] +Timothy Low: So just curious if can apply POFMA or not
[4:09 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Wait for our government to clarify
[4:09 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Numbers not out yet right?
[4:09 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: can, under the Act. by right can POFMA, but it's a strategic decision whether you want to be taking action from SG overseas.
it'd be tricky to POFMA the Chief Minister, but there's nothing stopping a "correction notice" through the diplomatic channels, i.e. SG govt speaks to High Commission, High Commission goes back to India's comms people and say "hey, you should issue a correction because that's a false statement".
[4:10 pm, 19/05/2021] +Timothy Low: Will be good to issue POFMA to shut the critics’ argument that POFMA is only issued to local oppositions
[4:11 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Yes
[4:11 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: i do believe that as far as international relations are concerned (esp coming from someone of a certain standing), SG's approach is to try the "soft approach" first
[4:12 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Agree
[4:14 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevin: Covid-19 vaccinations helped S'pore stave off second circuit breaker so far: Experts https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-restrictions-fairly-aggressive-but-necessary-not-all-viable-in-long-term-experts?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[4:18 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Try not to rise to the bait. Let's not make this a them and us thing. Many people are suffering in India. We have much to thank India for, but no one deliberately spread a virus, so can't blame anyone for this.
[4:18 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Sacrifices needed by businesses, workers to endure short-term pain from latest Covid-19 measures: SNEF
Sacrifices must be made by both employers and employees to endure the "short-term pain" from the latest Covid-19 measures, in order to keep businesses afloat and save jobs, said the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sacrifices-needed-by-businesses-workers-to-endure-short-term-pain-from-latest-covid-19
[4:20 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: It's also sad to see Israel engaging in conflict at a time when the world needs to come together. The effects of this pandemic will last for years to come. Lesser able countries are being devastated right now. Let's avoid petty squabbles about who said what and when.
[4:22 pm, 19/05/2021] +YT: Wow, such a noble idea. Then why did our MFA meet their High Commissioner? Obviously it's serious enough to get the government's attention. So, please don't sound noble here when we should be united in combating falsehoods.
[4:23 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: 2 issues here lah bro
[4:24 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: 1. Falsehood
[4:24 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: 2. Thank India
[4:24 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Still no numbers yet?
[4:25 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: I'll take that as a compliment lol Gov has to do their job, but the public don't need to get up in arms about it
[4:25 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: All this anti-India talk is best left alone, that's all. No good comes of it.
[4:25 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Keep kalm
[4:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: This time gov act fast about the falsehood
[4:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, correctly.
[4:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Not like the Count On Me fiasco π
[4:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Wait until Ang Moh come out say then gov also say
[4:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: ππ€£π
[4:27 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: This time fast cos their government official made that comment
[4:27 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Y
[4:34 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: π€
[4:35 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Akan datang
[4:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Which masks have good filtration efficiency? What you need to know about the updated mask guidelines
Singapore updated its guidance for the use of masks on Tuesday (May 18) on the back of rising COVID-19 infections in the community.
The Ministry of Health (MOH) is advising that members of the public use masks with better protection, such as those with better filtration efficiency, to mitigate the higher risk of infection.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coronavirus-choose-masks-filtration-efficiency-surgical-14839020
[4:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: Filtration how good also useless when people are wearing half masks....
[4:43 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevin: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/34-new-cases-of-locally-transmitted-covid-19-infection19may
[4:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alex: What does that even mean?!
[4:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: The writer…
[4:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Non Singaporean lol
[4:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: The actual composer who is a Canadian
[4:49 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: You didn’t follow the fiasco I take it
[4:50 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Guarding against pandemic fatigue in Singapore's COVID-19 fight
As Singapore experiences a rise in COVID-19 community cases, pandemic fatigue could be a concern as the country once again tightens its COVID-19 measures to address the spike in infections.
On Sunday (May 16), Singapore confirmed 38 COVID-19 infections in the community - the highest number of community cases in more than a year - with 15 active COVID-19 clusters.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/guarding-against-pandemic-fatigue-in-singapore-covid-19-fight-14827308
[4:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: ππ»
[4:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: This is encouraging - only a few unlinked and almost all are quarantined already.
[4:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ken: Still early π
[4:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: 34 new community COVID-19 cases in Singapore, including 4 unlinked infections
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-community-cases-may-19-linked-clusters-imported-moh-14838394
[4:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alex: I followed something which was blown out of all proportion; thought it made us look pretty small minded.
[5:14 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: On the issue of wearing of mask and compliance , is a statutory declaration required before enforcement can be done without law enforcement being present ?
[5:15 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: sorry, don't understand the question
[5:19 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: I would like to have seen him say "There is no Singapore variant. There is no Indian variant. There is just a mutating virus that we must all be united against."
[5:20 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: This is in reference to the recent case at MBS where a 53 year old Chinese female question the authority of SDA in requesting her to put on a face mask. Comment has been made that she is legally trained so she seems to know how to interpret authority on her by appointed people.
[5:20 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Equally we should ask the State newspaper to stop calling it an Indian Variant.
[5:20 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Not even the federal government agrees with this clown!
[5:21 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: It's irrelevant. She was breaking the law and any citizen had a right to tell her so.
[5:21 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: are you asking about the audio recording which sounded like a podcast, where this guy said she's right and Covid law is a "temporary law" and there's no "court-issued statutory law" which requires this?
[5:25 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: if so, this is my response:
Covid Temp Measures is an Act of Parliament, it IS statute. there is no such thing as a "court-issued statutory law", this is wrong on so many levels. This is the law:
Regulation 3A of the Covid (Temp Measures) (Control Order) Regulations prescribes a mask to be mandatory.
Section 35 of the Covid Act says the following classes can enforce any rules made under the Covid Act, which includes the Covid (Control Order) Regs:
(a) a police officer;
(b) a Health Officer appointed under section 4(1)(a) or (b) of the Infectious Diseases Act;
(c) a public officer;
(d) an officer of a statutory body;
(e) an auxiliary police officer;
(f) an employee of a prescribed institution under the Infectious Diseases Act, except for the purposes of subsection (2)(b).
This last paragraph (f) means that if under subsection (2)(b), it allows SDAs to direct businesses and individuals to comply with the Covid Regulations.
Subsection (6): any police officer or enforcement officer has the power to arrest anyone in breach without warrant.
Therefore whatever the podcast said is wrong. mask-wearing is mandated by law. enforcement people can require any individual/business to comply with the covid regs. any police/health officer CAN make an arrest without warrant.
[5:25 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Yes
[5:26 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Thanks for the clarification
[5:29 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: π
[5:30 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: any one knows the source of that podcast/audio recording?
[5:31 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: π€·♂️
[5:31 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: cos like people who don't know the law just shouldn't talk about it like they do. they're just perpetuating all the wrong information. now there will be a bunch of people thinking that the lady was right and the law has no effect
[5:32 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: π€¦♀️ππ
[5:32 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Beaches, lawns, and other outdoor areas will be closed temporaily when too crowded, to guard against Covid-19
Two food and beverage outlets have been ordered to close and another two have been fined for breaching safe management measures last weekend.
HooHa Restaurant & Cafe in Pasir Panjang and Darts Legend in One North will be closed for 30 and 20 days respectively, said the Ministry of Sustainability and the Environment (MSE) in a statement on Wednesday (May 19).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/beaches-lawns-and-other-outdoor-areas-will-be-closed-temporarily-when-too-crowded-to-guard
[5:38 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/woman-video-mbs-claims-trial-not-wearing-mask-separate-incident-060825175.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb
She's claimed trial for an earlier incident. Trial is happening on 24 May, if anyone is interested.
[5:40 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Open court definitely with updates on medicorp and sph
[5:40 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: State courts hearing list
[5:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: yeah... but would be fun to see if she tries to xialan the judge
[5:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Not remotely possible!
[5:44 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: don't know, we'll see... not sure what defence she's running. likely that she will challenge the validity of the law and/or enforcement action.
[5:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Then, medical assessment at IMH will help in applying sentencing.
[5:47 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: depends... she seems perfectly capable of reasoning and decision-making despite whatever condition her family says she's suffering from.. to qualify for mitigation, the mental illness needs to be a contributing factor towards committing the offence in question.
[5:49 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Possibly
[5:50 pm, 19/05/2021] +Dong Liang: A certificate from doctor that she is mentally unsound will be able to mitigate her case.
[5:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Outright discharge of any responsibility remains to be known.
[5:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: not true. it's more than just this. there're a lot more factors to be considered
[5:55 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Hopefully, MinShan will give his input in due course
[6:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/wrong-to-say-there-is-no-singapore-strain-says-delhi-health-minister-satyendra-jain-705570
[6:02 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: That’s not what MSF said wor
[6:04 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: sigh....
[6:07 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Take it with a pinch of salt
[6:08 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Sg should unite and not let issues divide us. When there is external “claims” regardless of issues, we should not view it as “flattery”. That’s my view.
[6:12 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Some condominiums going the extra mile to protect residents' health
Some condominiums have taken additional steps to protect their residents, going beyond advisories laid out by the Building and Construction Authority (BCA).
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/condominiums-covid-19-rules-residents-facilities-swimming-groups-14840182
[6:22 pm, 19/05/2021] +Timothy Low: Our Government need to take a stronger stand to stop this nonsense, if not will affect our tourism recovery in the future
[6:22 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: REACH are you going to extend feedback tonight?
[6:23 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: No point to fuss over such is already stated 1617 where did 1617 come all know
[6:30 pm, 19/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Yes agree
[6:33 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: You see, it just become a silly argument. Best not to give it credibility, or try to diffuse the whole thing
[6:35 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: And get out newspapers to stop calling it an Indian strain. Talk about throwing stones in glass houses!
[6:36 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: eh? i tot we've been using B1617 all along?
[6:37 pm, 19/05/2021] +Stella Yip: Our MFA already spoke to them about it liao, will they correct their news to their public, will they apologise to us formally?
[6:38 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: one example of many
[6:39 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: this was quite some time ago already what, no?
[6:40 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Well once it starts, it's hard to stop.... this was just a week ago:
[6:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: π€
[6:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: i keep using b1617
[6:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: cos easier to type
[6:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: lol
[6:41 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: :)
[6:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: and you can use it to buy 4D
[6:42 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: :3
[6:43 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: π€£π€£π€£π€£ huat ah!
[6:43 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Blady Moron
[6:44 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: tbh i dun really care if they use to as political tool and less ppl come over to sg even better
[6:44 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: *this
[6:44 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Classification of variant is in consultation relevant competent authorities worldwide
[6:45 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Y
[6:46 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: It is an India variant. Just like there is a UK variant, a South Africa variant and a Brazil variant. It’s ridiculous when we intentionally avoid the elephant in the room just to appear politically correct. And ... arguing about whether it’s right to say “India variant” or not is missing the point entirely. Pure strawman fallacy.
[6:46 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Does it matter what we named the variant by countries? UK or South Africa also didn’t object? It’s just a tag for everyone to understand where the virus source was and for all we know one day and we may have a S’pore variant? The thing now our MFA & S’poreans alike are saying there’s no scientific evidence yet. Countries whom are sensitive are only those whom thinks the world is pointing a finger at their poor management of their Covid issues
[6:47 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
[6:47 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: Exactly... when there finally is a variant that originates from Singapore, we will call it a Singapore variant.
[6:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Yes
[6:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: Remember how we stopped calling it the Chinese Virus?
[6:48 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Right and we all know that our Govt has done it’s part but virus will mutate anyways
[6:49 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: This is very different as there’s no evidence of the origin yet at that time
[6:49 pm, 19/05/2021] +Ben: You might be right - and so what's to gain by doing it? People use it negatively towards countries. It's a very damaging association. In the UK they called it the Essex variant so no one outside the the UK would know what it meant lol
[6:50 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Live and let live. Let the world call it what it wants
[6:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: We show the world by statistics
[6:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Not about names
[6:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: Chinese virus is different from saying China variant
[6:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: yes, but if it's plain wrong, you need to call it out. otherwise our song become theirs and their virus become ours.
[6:51 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: One is offensive, one is factual
[6:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: We can’t cure stupidity
[6:52 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: Hopefully people can differentiate one from the other
[6:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Yes and as for the rest let them be
[6:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: No is shld be Sg Sling c19
[6:53 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Hahaha famous like sg aling cocktail
[6:54 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Our MFA has done their part
[6:54 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Y
[6:54 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: yes they have, and the other side has doubled down. so draw your own conclusions, folks!
[6:56 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: Aiyo then how? Shoot missiles?
[6:57 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: ππ π€£π€¦♀️π€·♂️
[6:58 pm, 19/05/2021] +Rama: Delhi chief minister 'doesn't speak for India', has 'no competence on Covid variants', say India govt officials https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/delhi-chief-minister-doesnt-speak-for-india-no-competence-covid-variants-india-govt-officials?cid=tdy+tg_tg-pm_social-msging-free_09102018_today#.YKTvPChk3zc.whatsapp
[6:58 pm, 19/05/2021] +Anne: I just read something strange. Still digesting this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/05/11/covid-surges-in-4-of-5-worlds-most-vaccinated-countries-heres-why-the-us-should-worry/?sh=1b15952cd677
[6:58 pm, 19/05/2021] +CQ: no need shoot missile. just see and understand that there are no true friends, and remember for future reference.
[6:59 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: In the world of politics there are no such things as friends and u must also understand India political complexities also mah
[7:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan!
[7:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Simon: The CM of Delhi is Oppo
[7:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Joseph Ong: End of the day, they are Politicians. They will say what their constituents want to hear in order to remain elected. Don’t take it to heart π
[7:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +Kevin: Good night Megan
[7:00 pm, 19/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
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