REACH 232 - Views on new vaccination strategies (SK)
18 May 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[6:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine authorised for children aged 12 to 15 years in Singapore
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-children-singapore-12-15-14833074
Singapore to extend interval of COVID-19 vaccine doses to between 6 and 8 weeks
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-to-extend-interval-of-covid-19-vaccine-dose-8-weeks-14832648
Singapore recommends wearing masks with better filtration capability as new COVID-19 variants spread
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/wear-masks-with-better-bacterial-filtration-surgical-variants-14832980
[6:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Sinovac's Covid-19 vaccine has shelf life of up to 2 years, HSA still waiting for more data
The Health Sciences Authority (HSA) is still evaluating the safety and efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine and waiting for data from the manufacturer, said Associate Professor Kenneth Mak on Tuesday (May 18).
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/sinovacs-covid-19-vaccine-has-shelf-life-of-up-to-2-years-hsa-still-waiting-for
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[6:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢
The Multi-Ministry Taskforce (MTF) made the following key announcements at a virtual press conference today (18 May):
• Those aged 40-44 years old can register for vaccinations from tomorrow (19 May)
• Interval between the doses will be extended to 6-8 weeks, speeding up its COVID-19 vaccination rollout and prioritising first doses for more people to increase the nationwide coverage
• Approval of Pfizer vaccine for those aged 12-15, more details to be shared in due course
• Recommendation of wearing masks with better filtration capability as new COVID-19 variants spread
💬 What are your views on the latest announcements regarding Singapore's vaccination strategy?
👉 Singapore extends interval of COVID-19 vaccine to 6-8 weeks, those aged 40-44 can register from tomorrow https://str.sg/Jvn9
👉 Singapore approves use of Pfizer vaccine for aged 12-15 https://str.sg/Jvny
👉 Singapore recommends wearing masks with better filtration capability: https://cna.asia/3ylWRA4
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[6:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: This loophole now then close... Please make sure got no other loophole
[6:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Can allow people who want to get this to jab first. Don't wait liao
[6:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Time is not in our hands ....
[6:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: 16 and 17 year old also not yet. Lol
[6:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: have this been tested locally sorry idid not read the article only know US CDC side 6 days ago recommend
[6:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but it is impt to ensure we do a thru test to make sure nothing is wrong
[6:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: You can immediately see the stark contrast between the old Heath Minister and the new Health Minister. One plays it safe but short term view one is long term view more strategic but also riskier cos it’s uncharted territory (no country let second jab in 6 to 8 weeks by default if I’m not wrong).
[6:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: a kids life time is much longer than adult ....
[6:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: alvin yes
[6:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: UK
[6:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: My hats off to Min Ong for taking a more strategic and risked move.
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: first jab feb
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: 2nd jab in may
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Oh they also 8 weeks second jab?
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Have. Think in US or UK at some point if time...
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: again those are numbers for reference
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: am sure locally for adults there are some behind the curtain test done
[6:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but kids vaccine is very rush
[6:37 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: only couple of weeks ago did US starts the jab for kids and now is our turn that is super fast
[6:37 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: or was there behind the curtain test ?
[6:37 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: call me paranoid but if any thing happen to the kid is going to be with him / her for 40-60 years
[6:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: compare to adults maybe 20-30 years
[6:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Think from the start, Pfizer is for 16.and above
[6:38 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. It is very clear that vaccination is being make the primary tool to tackle the covid-19.
2. With good filtration mask and social distancing measure as the supporting measures.
[6:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: good move what about helpers
[6:39 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is there a mandatory order also to have them jab while with the adult nation wide jab?
[6:39 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: u dun wan to have a weakest link in a household to again
[6:39 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
A covid-19 test cost $200.
[6:40 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: couple with national security in mind subsidy abit lah 150 also good is a jab only
[6:40 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: MOH says airborne transmission of Covid-19 'stronger possibility' in some settings; plausible factor in TTSH
Reports have emerged suggesting a stronger possibility of airborne transmission of Covid-19 in certain settings, particularly closed environments with limited airflow and poor ventilation, said Ministry of Health (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Tuesday (May 18).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/moh-says-airborne-transmission-of-covid-19-stronger-possibility-in-some-settings-plausible
[6:41 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: MOH says airborne transmission of Covid-19 'stronger possibility' in some settings; plausible factor in TTSH
Reports have emerged suggesting a stronger possibility of airborne transmission of Covid-19 in certain settings, particularly closed environments with limited airflow and poor ventilation, said Ministry of Health (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak on Tuesday (May 18).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/moh-says-airborne-transmission-of-covid-19-stronger-possibility-in-some-settings-plausible
[6:42 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: can request to have a deeper study on this as it could happen to changi case / and also how long and wide the virus and survive in the open with ultra violet lights? And does cremation kill the virus if yes at what degree of flame ......
[6:44 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Home vaccination service to be offered for those who are homebound
Those who are unable to leave home but want to receive the Covid-19 vaccine will soon be able to get the jabs at home, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said on Tuesday (May 18).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/home-vaccination-service-to-be-offered-for-those-who-are-homebound
[6:44 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: If they are unable to leave home, unlikely they will get infected I think
[6:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Good! rope in the taxi companies to send all these home call medical staff ....(helping each other mah)
[6:45 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Good initiatives - for homebound people!
[6:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if it is air borne how ...
[6:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Ventilation is very important
[6:46 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Open windows and use fan, not always use aircon
[6:46 pm, 18/05/2021] +~N: They have caretakers who can pass it to them
[6:46 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Yeah that is true.
[6:52 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/retailers-call-for-support-sales-fall-tightened-covid-19-rules-14827652
A heightened measures lockdown can cause severe impact to retail business.
[6:52 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Retail business hurt.
2. Workers hurt.
3. If new Budget is needed - our financial reserves hurt.
Thus mass vaccination to defeat the covid - is the only way out to prevent such economic and financial mauling.
Periodic lockdown when infection rise should not be the preferred choice.
Mass vaccination, and as last resort - Mandatory Vaccination - should be the best option if persuasive approach to Vaccination is not effective.
Just like mandating face mask wearing in public.
Vaccination like wearing masks - should be made a National Duty - amidst a virus pandemic crisis.
[6:52 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: For phase 2 vaccination, Should Jab the younger age grp first.
[6:53 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: For phase 2 vaccination, Should Jab the youngest age grp first. 13 to 18 year old
[6:53 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: As they take O and A level exam
[6:53 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Once in a lifetime
[7:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: All indoor sport and physical activity for youth aged 18 and below to be suspended
All indoor sport and physical activity classes and programmes for youth aged 18 and below will be suspended and moved online from Wednesday (May 19) to June 13 as part of heightened measures amid a sharp spike in Covid-19 cases in the community, Sport Singapore (SportSG) announced on Tuesday.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/all-indoor-sport-and-physical-activity-for-youth-aged-18-and-below-to-be-suspended
[7:10 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: I thought all the children caught it from the tution center?
[7:11 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: If school need to open split the session else let some level go for earlier holiday
[7:12 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Primary 2 pupil at Catholic High School tests positive for Covid-19
A Primary 2 pupil who attends Catholic High School has tested positive for Covid-19.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/primary-2-pupil-at-catholic-high-school-tests-positive-for-covid-19
[7:12 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Why still taking the risk of clustering into 1 session
[7:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: Tuition cluster
[7:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: Now we know why cannot wear face shield
[7:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: At least one pupil is family member of TTSH nurse.
[7:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +Rama: Super Spreader!?
[7:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: Long exposure mah
[7:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: Classes
[7:24 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: NTUC FairPrice worker in Woodlands tests positive for Covid-19; all staff to be swabbed and store shut
A worker at the NTUC FairPrice outlet in Champions Court in Woodlands Avenue 1 has tested positive for Covid-19, prompting swab tests for all staff and the store closed for two days.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ntuc-fairprice-worker-in-woodlands-tests-positive-for-covid-19-all-staff-to-be-swabbed-and
[7:29 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Good to see decisions and action being taken.
[7:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, good to see bolder action.
[7:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yup but not any Asian countries
[7:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: UK US and other counties all delay 2nd jab to get more people thier first dose more quickly. It proved very effective in the UK to do this
[7:31 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: It’s also not the default
[7:31 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: 👍
[7:31 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Up to 12
[7:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yeah but it’s not the default
[7:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I expect UK and US to have another wave
[7:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Are employers allowed to make it mandatory?
[7:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: This time the B1617 variant
[7:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Unless you visited White Sands...
[7:33 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: It can infect vaccinated people
[7:33 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: If unable to leave home why is vaccination a priority?
[7:33 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Lol yes
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Wouldn't the caretakers be vaccinated? Seems like that is the priority.
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Vivian: I hope during this period - eating places can be open for people who really cannot eat at their own places because their landlord doesn't allow them to. It's so sad to see they have to eat at such places. Why isn't we able to extend help for them?
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: Think of the extend… tekong
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Rama: 😨😱😞😔🤦♀️
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Concern wan will bring their helpers for jab
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Makes sense
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ken: BMTC cluster then we will see full lockdown
[7:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: There is no mandatory direction yet
[7:35 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: All non essential events should be suspended, including worship IMO.
[7:36 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Wow, popping up everywhere. Is TT just not working anymore?
[7:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: 12 weeks is the default: https://www.nationalworld.com/health/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-second-dose-timing-of-pfizer-and-astrazeneca-jabs-in-the-uk-has-it-changed-and-side-effects-3090360
[7:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: 100% agree. They act like it's all over. The first dose will be wearing off. The new variants are more contagious
[7:39 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: From Pfizer?
[7:39 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Both AZ and pfizer
[7:40 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Just recently right?
[7:40 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Last year their advice is within 4 weeks thereabouts
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: US still need ppl get second dose before maskless
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-french-hope-bad-weather-won-t-rain-off-reopening-14825176
France join the elite club of economy reopening as mass vaccination bring good outcome.
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/french-covid-19-daily-deaths--number-of-critical-patients-drops-14823028
French COVID-19 daily deaths, number of critical patients drops
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/several-countries-delaying-second-covid-19-vaccine-dose
Several countries delaying second Covid-19 vaccine dose
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/first-covid-vaccine-study-pregnant-151150938.html
First Covid vaccine study for pregnant women launches in the UK
[7:41 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: They have many supplies for vaccine cos it’s produced over there so they don’t have to space out the weeks
[7:42 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: summer holiday once over u will see US \UK\EUROPE all out break the first 3 to go US\UK\BELGIUM\SPAIN.....
[7:43 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Oh sure, the UK gov did it this year against medical advice in order to reduce the spread. Now the advice is that its ok to do to lol
[7:43 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Like people take any notice of that lol....
[7:44 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: As long as mask still ok can just first jab and wait for more vaccines
[7:44 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: It’s not like you jab already the virus all go away
[7:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: And I agree with the medical advise to wear the 2 ply mask instead of cloth one
[7:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Dong Liang: Too early to say, it may be the other way, by the time they declare complete CB it will have a much higher price to pay.
[7:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, surgical really. Especially on mrt and other close spaces
[7:46 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: True, no way of knowing but that what bold leadership is about.
[7:47 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I didn’t say we doing good just that bold leadership may take calculated risks.
[7:47 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: And you can see the difference
[7:47 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Rather than status quo until another CB
[7:48 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: from now till the next cb is based on ground situation
[7:48 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: risk assessment must have been done they have better brains up there dan all of us here .....
[7:51 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but end of the day accointability must be clearly spelt ... is not always the society at fault
[7:52 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: My BFF waiting for this to be approved. He said he doesn’t want the mRNA vaccines, so he decided on Sinovac when HSA announced they will be assessing it.
[7:54 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Hopefully people will have a choice
[7:55 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: sorry i highjack ok
[7:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Sad about this
[7:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is such a one sided news ...
[7:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We need positive messages of support for our health care workers
[7:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: taxi stand die die espically now at least got 2 taxi there but what happen the staff prefer to take PHV
[7:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: why not they say PHV reject them
[7:57 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in the same industry we saw HOW PHV reject trips to TTSH
[7:57 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I hope it doesn’t lead to the supermarket run cluster
[7:57 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Xiasuay cluster
[7:57 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in this times society is to help each other such reports just drift the sectors aprt
[7:58 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: small super market outlet but it is smack in the heart of a clustered blocks .... so assume 20% of resident go to this outlet how much will that affect?
[7:58 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: we talking about those in the same area not across the rd yet
[8:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Is it me or I feel that the current situation is worse that previously cause there are more unlinked cases and community cases?
[8:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: send wrong channel ?
[8:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: so u win tot we got lucky dinner anot hahahahaha
[8:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: GRAB FOOD ON U ! HAHAHAHA
[8:01 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Agreed,creates division and anger
[8:01 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: kind of, last year was dorms
[8:02 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Definitely worse yes, that's why such quick action was needed.
[8:02 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: I’m kind of worried about the vaccination strategy because how many young kids are vaccinated in other countries?
[8:02 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
The community cases and unlink cases far exceeded the 1st CB.
No one has clue where the unlink cases come from.
This is the scary part.
[8:02 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Is Singapore one of the first country making this first move to vaccinate the young kids and on what basis?
[8:03 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Israel has run vaccines on kids
[8:03 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Proven safe and risk level ? Sorry, didn’t keep track, so just throwing some queries. 😅 too much bad news these days
[8:03 pm, 18/05/2021] +Timothy Low: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/singapore-virus-can-be-india-s-3rd-wave-extremely-dangerous-for-kids-warns-arvind-kejriwal-101621329215829.html
Now the Indian government is scare of us
[8:03 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01061-4
[8:04 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Yep exactly how I feel. And I think it seems like we need to tighten further as much as we don’t like it cause the risk in community feels higher now. 😪
[8:04 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Also this: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/adolescents.html
[8:04 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/singapore-virus-can-be-india-s-3rd-wave-extremely-dangerous-for-kids-warns-arvind-kejriwal-101621329215829.html
wow
[8:05 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/10/israel-says-600-children-given-covid-jab-had-no-serious-side-effects
Ssrael-says-600-children-given-covid-jab-had-no-serious-side-effects.
[8:06 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/10/pfizer-covid-vaccine-fda-clears-use-in-kids-ages-12-to-15.html
US FDA give approval to vaccinate kids 12 to 15 years old.
[8:07 pm, 18/05/2021] +65 9236 9570: No wonder so many schools got it sigh
[8:07 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-children-idUSKBN2BF36G
UK plans COVID-19 vaccinations for children from August: Telegraph
[8:08 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Testing also for under 5s: https://www.npr.org/2021/05/17/997029362/clinical-trials-underway-for-5-and-younger-covid-19-vaccinations
[8:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We know the vaccine is not fool proof, but we also know it has a negligible chance of bad side effects. 100s of millions have taken it.
[8:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Effects of tightened COVID-19 measures will only be seen in 1 or 2 weeks due to 'time lag': Lawrence Wong
The effects of tightened COVID-19 measures may only be evident "one to two weeks later" as there is a "time lag" in picking up cases, said Mr Lawrence Wong, co-chair of the COVID-19 multi-ministry task force.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-tightened-measures-cases-time-lag-lawrence-wong-14833426
[8:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Good sharing on the articles guys. At least it has been trial and tested in quite a few countries. Just hope it is effective in SG too.
[8:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: It has probably saved millions of lives and reduce infection rates and symptoms 100x.
[8:09 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: 👍
[8:10 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: This feels similar to what they said when we had our first CB that time and after that we had an extension of one more month. 🥲
[8:10 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, we can't expect drops to zero again for quite a while, I suspect it'll be worse before better but hopefully we turn the corner by end of June.
[8:10 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Exactly
[8:11 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: I’m actually hoping that they can just be stricter so we can all get through it faster.
[8:11 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes totally lockdown for non essentials
[8:12 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: But we do need a plan for when it comes back again, can't keep locking down
[8:12 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We are lucky it was a year after the first one. SG has been very lucky through good policies and community suport
[8:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: https://youtu.be/fr3LdiX6mCQ
[8:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Yep but looking at what other countries have been doing, this is unfortunately the most efficient method and we have proven it last year with our CB.
[8:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We have benefited from a good approach to this pandemic
[8:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We were number 1 remember!
[8:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, it's not sustainable though. Maybe we rely on the vaccine and have everyone covered by the end of September.
[8:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Covid won't go away but maybe become like a flu.
[8:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: It is a fast and painful method but better than prolonging the pain and eventually having to lock-down ultimately again. 🥲
[8:15 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: This
[8:15 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Covid will be another flu deadly to us now but not so next time
[8:16 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Hope so 🙏🏻
[8:16 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Actually I wonder how many billion we will be burning this round for the lockdown.
We cannot keep doing periodic lockdown and burning billion of dollars as we lockdown each time.
Mass vaccination is to prevent outbreak and refrain from future lockdown.
[8:16 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Dont be too happy about another flu .... way better than covid19 though! https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
[8:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Cannot no. My hope is this new CB gets us to a time when we are all vaccinated.
[8:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +Suma pamu: Is it another variant emerged here😳?
Didn't understand properly😟
[8:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: Haha passing the blame I guess 😂
[8:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +Suma pamu: 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
[8:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: the article is iffy about it, but i gathered that they're concerned that since the current outbreak in Sg seems to be hitting kids, this could be a new jam which could end up going back to bite them.
[8:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: It’s politic. If there is one from Singapore, the WHO will assign a variant number. Passing blame
[8:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: yes, passing the blame. what a position to take.....
[8:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: I think our FM should refute him
[8:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: that's why i posted here, so that REACH can take this back to whoever
[8:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Another good reason to stop these country names for variants.
[8:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Maybe not good to get into a bickering match,or give credibility to him. Arguing with a foolish statement doesn't go well for anyone.
[8:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: This type of statement will cause some anti Indian feelings here
[8:21 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: Although maybe for own domestic consumption
[8:21 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: I meant India politician own domestic
[8:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: Hope Gov can allow SINOVAC, so more people can get some protection, better then none.
[8:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +65 9739 7222: The piece of story written in that newspaper is rumous.
[8:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: it's not anti-Indian. it's anti-falsehood and it's an issue of national image. here we are trying so hard to establish cross-border relations with various countries, with a headline like that, it will negate whatever efforts that our govt has been putting in.
[8:24 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: That’s why our FM need their government to refute it else not good
[8:24 pm, 18/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Yeah especially those who have businesses in China and also for those who wants to set up businesses in China
[8:26 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: This
[8:26 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Hate to say it but 50% efficacy is better than 0%
[8:27 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: As long as no deaths occurred and we still wear our masks it should be ok
[8:27 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: But I think the initial batch might have already expired
[8:28 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: no ah, they said the shelf life is 2 years.
[8:29 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: 😱
[8:29 pm, 18/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: So long?
[8:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: just jab la
[8:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: no point keep
[8:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: need $$$ to keep them also
[9:06 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
Thank you for your views so far, We want to HEAR MORE from you!
We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan😊
[9:11 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: For teens 12-15 years old, I do not think we need to rush. Again it is still experimental. Let us adults take first. Maybe monitor 2 years.
[9:12 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: O matter what we all need to have social distancing and masks on. and regular classroom ventilation will help.
[9:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: I see a major problem not having the kids vaccinated. I hope we can extend to a younger group soon.
[9:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Agree. Let other countries try it first and see the results. Eg we now know that AZ and J&J causes blood clots for some people in Europe and US
[9:13 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Maybe they have a milder dose if people are worried, but otherwise they are completely vulnerable.
[9:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, they have been trying it. That's what the trials were doing.
[9:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: True, but it was a handful of people out of 100s of millions of doses.
[9:14 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: No system is perfect, we have to take the odds.
[9:15 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: In the long run maybe there are more.
[9:15 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Getting covid as a kid could create health problems for the rest if their lives.
[9:16 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: But we can only act on what we know or what we can estimate.
[9:16 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: We can't do nothing, "just in case."
[9:16 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: If there is no evidence of harm it doesn't mean there will never be harm, just a very low likelihood.
[9:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Even fully vaccinated people still catch virus. And those had it can catch it second time. How can we risk kids so young to have blood clots in the future
[9:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes and those who get infected are not dying or suffering badly like those not vaccinated
[9:17 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: The evidence shows us vaccination is safe and reduces harm
[9:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: The rare blood clots happened within a few weeks
[9:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: It is still too early to say.
[9:18 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Not to early to say covid kills and causes major health issues
[9:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: I'd rather we deal with problems we know about, that are affecting us today.
[9:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: All infected kids have mild symptoms right? According to news.
[9:19 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Otherwise we take no action because one day something bad might happen.
[9:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: I'm not saying anything is 100% one or the other. That's the point. We have to take decisions on balance.
[9:20 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Look at countries with no vaccinations, compared to those with. Which would you choose?
[9:19 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
[9:21 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Which one is worst?
To get infected or to get vaccinated?
Parents decide for your kids.
[9:21 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: So all those fully vaccinated people in SG have no symptoms?
[9:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Only very mild or asymptomatic, I dont know about every case.
[9:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: But let's assume it's a 70% reduction, for example. A bad case or a vaccinated person could have led to death without the vaccine.
[9:22 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: It would be interesting to know the stats.
[9:23 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: If they showed a huge reduction in symptons, would you support it?
[9:23 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Understand your point. But to me chances of infection is quite low. But getting vaccinated may trigger side effects.
[9:23 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: guess, end of the day is the parents to decide
[9:23 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: and if the child want it or not
[9:24 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: if scared of needle or what
[9:24 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Yes I see that. However the chances are no longer low. The side effects now have a lower risk than catching the virus, and then spreading it or getting seriously ill.
[9:24 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Chances of infection quite low?
I thought many community cases and unlink cases all over the place now?
[9:25 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Teen 12-15 must have parents’ signature to take jabs! How can they be vaccinated without parents permission!
[9:25 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: ya la
[9:25 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: so parents will decide
[9:26 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: no nobody say is a must to get jab
[9:27 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This is what India double mutants variants do to people.
Hundreds and thousands of people dying every day.
India is pleading for vaccination.
Down here people talk tough on not wanting vaccination.
[9:28 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
You must be a trump admirer.
[9:28 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/elites-worried-covid-cases-india-plummet-government-promotes-ivermectin-hydroxychloroquine-us
[9:30 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: No more. The problem is whatever he said will be objected. That is not right either
[9:31 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Thought Singapore did some study and found that HCQ is useful in helping to prevent infection? Anyway Trump is not the only one promoting HCQ. No need to associate HCQ with Trump.
[9:31 pm, 18/05/2021] +YT: Trump promoted drinking bleach and sanitizers.
[9:32 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Yes that is true.
[9:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: I believe those vaccinated people have protections to themselves only, so far created more problems to those not vaccinated people. That is why there are so many unlinked cases.
[9:34 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: 'Vaccine passports' not a free pass to travel abroad easily: Ong Ye Kung
Having proof of vaccination, or so-called vaccine passports, will not give people a free pass to travel abroad easily, said Health Minister Ong Ye Kung during a press conference on Tuesday (May 18) in response to a media query.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vaccine-passports-not-a-free-pass-to-travel-abroad-easily-ong-ye-kung
[9:34 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/indias-unusual-covid-19-vaccine-problem-plenty-of-shots-but-few-takers
Indian people hesitancy in Jan 2021 - nail their fate when double mutants variants hit.
Now India run out of vaccines and scrambling for vaccines.
[9:36 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Where did you get this theory from?
[9:37 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Classes at private and home-based tuition and enrichment centres suspended
Following the suspension of in-person teaching at private tuition and enrichment centres for students aged 18 and under, home-based providers learnt Tuesday (May 18) that they too will have to move these classes online.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/classes-at-private-and-home-based-tuition-and-enrichment-centres
[9:38 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: I read news and cases linkage and that is my own conclusion. My own
[9:39 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Good.
At least people can make judgement whether this come from a credible source or not.
[9:39 pm, 18/05/2021] +Thomas: We must not have any Trump like politician in Singapore. The damage Trump did to US is lasting . Trump is a would be dictator. In US , there’s alot of misinformation based on their first amendments right. No one can challenge it
[9:40 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Visitors to JEM or Westgate shopping malls from May 1 to May 14 urged to take free COVID-19 test: MOH
Members of the public who visited JEM or Westgate shopping malls from May 1 to May 14 are "strongly" encouraged to take a COVID-19 swab test after COVID-19 cases visited the malls during their infectious period.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-visitors-jem-westgate-malls-may-1-14-free-swab-test-moh-14834012
[9:41 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why alot of Trump's lies and fake news plus his base supporters such as QAnon conspiracy groups had caused tremendous harm to people worldwide reading alot of their fake news.
[9:41 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Walk through it to get to IMM must test or not? If walking through there is no safe entry record.
[9:42 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: It does feels like the measures are silently getting tighter with school closures and today's private tuition and enrichment closures.
[9:42 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: And Ministry hinting everyone to stay home as much as possible + how the measures can be tighten even further in 1-2 weeks time
[9:43 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Lucky we are free to speak. Those want to be vaccinated just go ahead. You will be protected. Those want to wait just keep mask on well and keep social distancing. Wait and see how the side effects will be. Why vaccinated people bother so much? Since they are already protected?
[9:44 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: As for kids vaccination, I think need to seek opinion from parents here. How many of the parents will volunteer their kids for vaccination. If parents are not willing, will it be mandatory and will it be effective for this implementation?
[9:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Even vaccinated people please do not go here and there. The prison cases were caused be vaccinated too
[9:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Judging by the response from the HPV saga, most parents tend to trust the G and allow their kids to jab.
[9:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
[9:45 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: I also wonder if the vaccination options can also be open to those who have no choice but to go to work and with greater exposure and are hoping to be vaccinated soon yet not in the age group / work stated as priority
[9:46 pm, 18/05/2021] +Yan: I don't know. I'm not a parent. hahaha Any parents here can share some light?
[9:47 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
The problem is unvaccinated people will cause problems to the community:-
1. If infected will cause serious illness and crippled the ICU if there are too many of them.
2. More unvaccinated people cannot achieve the herd immunity to curb the virus spread.
3. Too many resources and money have been wasted to test and protect against the covid.
4. Economy got to lockdown as more unvaccinated people are infected.
[9:48 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Wait? Then you wait 10 years.
See by then you can make it without getting infected or not.
[9:49 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Why so evil?
[9:50 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's what you say mah.
Government want to protect everyone to be safe and sound.
To get vaccinated is to protect everyone.
Not to poison you or to harm you.
[9:51 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
If you want to wait you wait lor.
Don't discourage others from vaccinating.
No one is waiting for you to get ready.
[9:51 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: I’m asking why you sound so confident that a person is going to get the disease before she gets it? Maybe she won’t.
[9:53 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why you go ahead to wait lor - no one stopping you.
But stop discouraging others from vaccinating.
You are doing others a disservice - when government and every well meaning people are encouraging others to vaccinate.
[9:55 pm, 18/05/2021] +Wilson Leong: Is it a must to go?
[9:55 pm, 18/05/2021] +An fan: Since so many people want to get vaccinated, so leave the chance to them first, we do not have enough yet.
[9:55 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Am I discouraging people from vaccinating? If a person wants to vaccinate he will vaccinate regardless of what anyone says, and he will have his personal reason for doing so. Can you respect others opinion and show some tolerance even if other people’s opinions differ from yours?
[9:55 pm, 18/05/2021] +CQ: "strongly encourage"
[9:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Wilson Leong: Ok
[9:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: better go
[9:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Caleb: COVID, u may be asymptomatic and spreading to ppl without knowing
[9:56 pm, 18/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not sure if you will get a SMS but for changi case ppl does get an sms stating to go swap anyway is free
[9:57 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ya provided if you got it don't spread to others.
Why say don't wear mask. You are sovereign.
Respect your wish not to wear mask be tolerance.
Tell that to the government.
[9:58 pm, 18/05/2021] +65 8608 0023: What if the circuit breaker happens this weekend?
[9:59 pm, 18/05/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Suggest government equate vaccination to wear mask mandate.
Then no need to talk 3 talk 4.
[9:59 pm, 18/05/2021] +Anne: Did anyone here say don’t wear mask? The topic was on vaccines. And the person is only pointing out the risks, that’s all. So it’s ok for a vaccinated person to spread the disease but not ok for an unvaccinated person to spread it?
[10:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +65 8608 0023: SWAPPING & SAMPLING EXERCISE (SSE)
ALL ministries staffs of 150,000. (adults)
ALL schools from Primary to Tertiary at 150,000. (young ones)
Total sampler size at 300,000.
ALL Positive samplers will be advised, tracked and stay home for 7 days.
The entire population is assume at 6 million.
The test results will be NON DISCRIMINATORY, NON DIVISIVE AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL!
The purpose of this BLITZ swapping exercise is to QUANTIFY and QUALIFY to derive a model of infection, variant and rate of penetration. It would be of better accuracy if this exercise can be completed within 14 days or shorter! It is a RACE against time, time is of the utmost essence!
With this confidential big data, a MODEL and a set of MATRIX can be built to better prepare comi…
[10:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +Ben: Of course yes!
[10:00 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
[10:03 pm, 18/05/2021] +REACH: Can I continue to exercise?: SportSG answers questions on new Covid-19 rules for youth aged 18 and below
National agency Sport Singapore announced that all indoor sport and physical activity classes and programmes for youth aged 18 and below will be suspended and moved online from Wednesday (May 19) to June 13.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/suspension-of-indoor-sport-for-those-18-and-below-sportsg-answers-questions-on-new-covid-19
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