REACH 237 - Views on enhanced support for business, workers & individuals (SK)

31 May 2021 (11am - 7pm)

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[9:59 am, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

An $800 million support package that includes enhanced wage subsidies under the Jobs Support Scheme (JSS) and rental relief will be rolled out to help businesses and workers cope with the impact of tightened Covid-19 restrictions.

💬 What are your views on the enhanced support measures for affected businesses, workers & individuals?

The Ministry of Finance (MOF) announced on Friday (May 28) that these support measures will include more wage subsidies for affected employers to retain workers, one-off payments for individuals and rental relief.

No additional draw on past reserves is expected at the moment, the ministry said, as the measures will be funded through reallocating development expenditure.

Speaking at a virtual press conference, Mr Wong added that the tightened measures have also been helping to curb the spread of the virus. "Therefore, we do not think there is a need for further tightening in our overall posture," he said. A fuller update will be given at a press conference by the multi-ministry task force on Covid-19 today (May 31).

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong will address Singaporeans on the country's approach to tackling Covid-19 in a broadcast today (May 31) at 4pm.

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[10:21 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Can we see our SafeEntry data that was scan with the token? It's PDPA, we have the rights to see.

[10:53 am, 31/05/2021] +REACH: $85 million in Jobs Support Scheme and Jobs Growth Incentive payouts withheld from 2,600 employers

A total of $85 million in Jobs Support Scheme (JSS) and Jobs Growth Incentive (JGI) payouts for March 2021 has been withheld from 2,600 employers.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/85-million-in-jobs-support-scheme-and-jobs-growth-incentive-payouts-withheld-from

[11:10 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ok ok to answer Reach else no one reply

[11:11 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ground feedback again is the usual some happy some not happy

[11:12 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: one aspect to look many sure does need help but their perception is wrong, they want 100% help or even more than what is allocated ....

[11:12 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: on the other hand getting this aid is neither easy also

[11:12 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: example i know of a case where a taxi uncle was trying to apply for some grant, he was given a stack of form to fill to prove certain requirement ...

[11:13 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ok he might be applying for the wrong grant but at least the person servicing him could direct him to apply the correct grant, this will end up as a negative expereince

[11:13 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is always somewhere down the line that gets screwed

[11:14 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: overall the public should now how much grant had been used regardless if it touches the reserved

[11:15 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is to instill prudency to all , doe snot meant we have money we can spend like fu er dai mindset (aka ah sia kia mindset)

[11:16 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hope this give reach a touch of what is happening on the ground .. no one is actually say good or no good middle ground cos ppl can see the effects from the last shut down and understand the burden by all sectors

[11:22 am, 31/05/2021] +Smiley face: Kelvinn, well done, your ground zero feedbacks to many of us...

[11:22 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: 👍

[11:23 am, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Applications for Covid-19 Recovery Grant (Temporary) to begin June 3

Applications for the Covid-19 Recovery Grant - Temporary (CRG-T) will begin on Thursday (June 3) and end a month later on July 2.

The grant, first announced on Friday (May 28), is meant to assist lower- to middle-income workers who have been financially impacted by the latest Covid-19 restrictions.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/applications-for-covid-19-recovery-grant-temporary-to-begin-june-3

[11:23 am, 31/05/2021] +Ken: It is normal, they just workers. Won’t go extra mile to help them take up the right grant. 

Even during MPS I seen people don’t write useful details and just write for the sake of writing. As most don’t understand and if letter data presented is the same outcome is the same.

[11:23 am, 31/05/2021] +Smiley face: That which is written without much effort is seldom read with much pleasure.

—Lee Kuan Yew

[11:24 am, 31/05/2021] +Valli: Before disbursing the funds,  authorities should really go on the ground to check the specific companies as some companies are registered but is idle. 

There are loopholes where companies are taking advantage of. 

Some have multi companies registered under them.

[11:24 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: to add this grp of ppl the mindset no cure wan, not say i bad mouth but be socially responsible the grant is for the society .. dun believe go read up the article when govt announce support measure for fitness sector and got voices in there of displeasure

[11:26 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: this SPM, not sure what this COVID resource hub is for when got nothing

[11:29 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: nosource hub

[11:30 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if these service ppl do not have details on how to direct ppl to the correct channel, more information must be provision ... else there will be more voices from the ground like "got say machim dun say better""take 700 like taking 7 million" , this 700 might be needy to certain industry of people not alot but it help them thru a few weeks

[11:31 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: compare to us happily typing and being keyboard warrior here, these 700 are temp life savers to ppl in taxi / phv / freelancer like tutors ....

[11:31 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: saying is very easy many but reality many of us are suffering too ...

[11:32 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if wanna so society work make sure equipped these folks with correct information and not make the public run all over and up either they give up or get nothing , which is not a good thing for the govt to come ...

[11:34 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: hope later PM speech will allow 2 pax to a grp to dine in

[11:34 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: if not all the F&B and attractions die

[11:34 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i hope we dun let loose so easily , the region is still in red ...

[11:34 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: from 13-June onwards

[11:37 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: thought we have all these great products...

[11:38 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hardly depoly ... can ask all the factories or even companies with dine in (die-in) areas

[11:39 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: hope gym can reopen, with mandatory of having air filters

[11:39 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: or mask must be on all times

[11:39 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: or both

[11:41 am, 31/05/2021] +Valli: Should wait for the clusters to close before allowing this

[11:43 am, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: or only allow ppl to dine in for people with no exposure alerts

[11:43 am, 31/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: To be fair, I think our Govt have already been doing a fantastic job, not just coming up with the assistance/grants, but also how quickly the funds have been disbursed. 

There are definitely those who really don’t know what financial assistance they are eligible for, and/or how to apply for it. Maybe we can setup more “community outreach” teams to assist directly on top of the current media campaigns. 

On the other end of the spectrum though, are fraudsters who take advantage of the situation to illegally enrich themselves. Assistance schemes/grants always seem to attract fraudsters who have no qualms exploiting loopholes and hide behind the letter of the law, intentionally misinterpreting the meaning/intent, at the expense of fellow Singaporeans who are in real need. 

I think the Govt should also channel some resources towards uncovering and punishing such dishonest people. Explore whistleblower programs to complement official efforts. 

Make the penalty disproportionately harsh so that people will think thrice before attempting it. Show that it’s not good enough to just follow the letter of law when the action obviously goes against its spirit.

[11:43 am, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: to those who think they can outsmart via cheating

[11:53 am, 31/05/2021] +Smiley face: One way is through IRAS, is this company inactive, domain, active or else?

What's was the last 3 years tax PAID? turnovers figures?

It must be a two-way for this noble reciproation efforts to reach out fullest and meaningfully - "NO ONE IS LEFT OUT"

[11:57 am, 31/05/2021] +Smiley face: Differentiate local or foreign entities, SME? Staffs strength too?

It is a complex indepth and length to ENSURE this government HELP will reach to the proper END points.

[1:22 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. This $800 million support package - is not a broadbase budget for everyone --- but a targeted assistance to those sectors, business and individuals - who are directly hit by the Phase 2HA lockdown.

2. Thus very clearly, those business such as tourism, retail, F&B, airlines, public transport etc as well as jobs in these sectors that are impacted due to no-pay leave, pay cut -- should apply for this support package.

3. Those business sectors and workers whose jobs or pay are not affected should not apply for the support package --- so that right financial assistance should be given to those that needed them.

4. For all individuals that need to stay at home to work and to study - electricity and water bill will go up. But I believe the U-save GST voucher that are given to the various strata of HDB household ---- should be able to subsidies the increase in power and water bill due to the need to work and study at home.

5. Also the GST voucher to be dispense in Jun and Aug 2021 - for lower and middle income earners as well as the CDC $100 voucher that will be dispensed at a later date - will help to cushion the impact of Phase 2HA lockdown.

6. We need to be careful on how we use our Budget - in particular the needs to dig into our financial reserves - as they are our many generations of hard-earned collective accumulation of National Wealth - that are vital to sustain our Country and our future generations.

[1:24 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/vietnam-hybrid-covid-19-variants-from-india-uk-spread-outbreak-14909808 

Mutants on mutants discovered in Vietnam.

Hybrid of B1617 and B117 mutants found.

31 of 63 cities infected in Vietnam.

Speed of infection unimaginable.

Vietnam like Taiwan and Australia are champions in border control, snap lockdown and speedy contact tracing.

But these 3 Countries are slow in vaccination.

Now these 3 Countries suddenly exploded with mutants variants that spread like wildfire.

Thus, good social distancing measures are not the best solutions.

Ramping up mass vaccination is the best solutions - as can be seen in Israel, US, UK, EU, and now Mexico and Canada joining the elite clubs - with plummeting infection, reopening of their Economy as their mass vaccination seen very positive outcome.

[1:25 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/b1617-will-not-be-the-last-strain-of-the-virus-seen-to-be-increasingly-dominant

B1617 double mutants will dorminate the whole world.

The best weapon is mass vaccination.

[1:34 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Om 2nd tot maybe it shows we humans race are not as clean as we ought to be hahahah aka bad social manners

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

19 new community COVID-19 cases in Singapore, and 1 new death

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-community-may-30-linked-death-ntuc-foodfare-14914186

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The 1 death is not vaccinated.

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I wonder whether can she be vaccinated as protection once she diagnosed as covid infected?

Could this help in subduing the infection like any other vaccinated ones?

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder can Mandatory vaccination be imposed for anyone that need to be hospitalised - if found to be medically eligible to be vaccinated with covid vaccination.

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This will help to prevent serious illness or death from covid complications.

[1:54 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or will the oral polymerase inhibitor pill - that are currently on trial by pharmaceutical companies such as Merck, Pfizer etc - that are used to treat covid by purging the virus in the body within 5 days be used?

[3:01 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 📢 [LIVE ADDRESS AT 4PM]

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong will address the nation today (31 May) at 4pm to provide an update on Singapore's COVID-19 situation. PM Lee's address will be broadcast live on his Facebook page, Mediacorp channels, as well as CNA's website Facebook page and YouTube channel.

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pm-lee-covid-19-updates-watch-live-4pm-14918734

Live Stream: https://youtu.be/Lb30d9s2gc4

[3:38 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

Thank you for your views so far, We want to HEAR MORE from you!

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan😊

[3:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Waiting for PM Lee speech first kek

[3:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Ya lor

[3:50 pm, 31/05/2021] +Stella Yip: If customer come into shop wearing exhalation mask, can shop staff tell the customer that G say cannot wear such mask and reject entry?

[3:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Especially gym, pls must check and reject

[3:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +Stella Yip: If it is not illegal, then the customer insists, then how?

[3:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Reach team, is good to see those mask

[3:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Stella Yip: Can taxi drivers reject customers wearing exhalation mask?

[3:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: can work on the same concept to get ppl to see doctor

[3:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like some ppl are confuse when to see doc

[3:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like sore thorat must see?

[3:53 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: fever + running nose - can self medicate ?

[3:53 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: will be good to have the same approach like those for the mask

[3:53 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: wat is this pattern mask ?

[4:01 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 🔊 [LIVE NOW] 

Tune in to Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's live address: 

- https://fb.watch/5QkiuOPupn/

- https://youtu.be/Lb30d9s2gc4

[4:02 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: don't understand our Gov, ask us don't go out unless necessary. THen Gardens by the bay open for what ah

[4:03 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: for exercise people hahahahahha

[4:03 pm, 31/05/2021] +chan5956: LOL....he's wearing jacket today....

[4:04 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 23 new Covid-19 cases in S'pore, including 16 in community, 7 imported

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/23-new-covid-19-cases-in-spore-including-16-in-community-7-imported

[4:07 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

PCR swab test = $150 - $200.

ART swab test (less accurate) = $30 - $60.

[4:10 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: S'pore should be able to ease Covid-19 restrictions after June 13 if community cases fall further: PM Lee

Singapore should be able to relax restrictions on social gatherings after June 13, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Monday (May 31).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/spore-should-be-able-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-after-june-13-if-community-cases

[4:20 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: DIY Covid-19 test kits will soon be available at pharmacies: PM Lee

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/diy-covid-19-test-kits-will-soon-be-available-at-pharmacies-pm-lee

Routine, large-scale, extensive Covid-19 testing to become part of new normal, says PM

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/routine-large-scale-extensive-covid-19-testing-to-become-part-of-new-normal-says-pm

All residents living in Yishun block told to take swab test

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/all-residents-living-in-yishun-block-told-to-take-swab-test

[4:20 pm, 31/05/2021] +An fan: There are foreign visitors, some from China. They come here for 14 days then go to US.

[4:20 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: u mean USS sentosa?

[4:22 pm, 31/05/2021] +An fan: Suggest some standby masks for these kind of people to wear.

[4:23 pm, 31/05/2021] +An fan: No USA. But I think they will visit USS right. Since they need to stay 14 days at least. Most are students returning to USA.

[4:25 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Singapore to also isolate household members of a close contact of Covid-19 case

Singapore will begin putting entire households in isolation, should one household member be identified as a close contact of a Covid-19 case, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Monday (May 31).

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-to-also-isolate-household-members-of-a-close-contact-of-covid-19-case

[4:34 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The key PM Lee message :-

1. Faster and more testings using various test tools.

2. Faster contact tracing and ring-fencing.

3. Faster vaccination to reach out to more people  - and hopefully everyone.

[4:34 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Elderly can just walk into the vaccination center to get Vaccination without booking.

2. Caregivers can call the Silver Generation Office to arrange for nurse or doctor to visit the Elderly house to get Vaccination.

[4:41 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pm-lee-full-speech-covid-19-new-normal-heightened-alert-14919816

[4:42 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Singapore planning for a new normal of living with the virus, says PM

Singapore is planning for a new normal, where its people can carry on with their lives while the virus is in their midst, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Monday (May 31).

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-planning-for-a-new-normal-of-living-with-the-virus-says-pm

[4:47 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: DIY kits, great. Mass testing, great. Can we also see testing for antibodies so people know if they had it and recovered.

[4:47 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, makes sense... didn't this happen already?

[4:47 pm, 31/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Agreed

[4:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Wasn't done previously. Essentially someone can kena quarantine but everyone else in his/her household can still go in and out in and out, until this person actually kena, then the household members will kena Q.

[4:50 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Got it, by which time of course it would be too late.

[4:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Hannor. Which is why this is a good move. Although I can feel the pain for people living in a big household..

[4:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Just until the test is negative though? A few days I guess.

[4:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Better than starting another cluster

[4:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: But there was also that case in Changi prison yesterday that this person tested negative 7 times before getting a positive result on the 8th test.

[4:53 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Gyms grateful for support measures amid difficult times

The latest round of government reliefs measures, including wage subsidies from the Jobs Support Scheme (JSS) and rental rebates from the Rental Support Scheme, have been a welcome announcement for gyms and fitness studios islandwide as they battle to stay afloat.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/gyms-grateful-for-support-measures-amid-difficult-times

[4:56 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alex: No. Friend of mine's wife and one kids were put on SHN and was told to quarantine upstairs with that one kid and he had to remain downstairs with other kid (in same house).  Only allowed upstairs to deliver 

MOH turned up at random times (incl 3am once) to check they were apart.....  

They nearly divorced.

[4:57 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: now is the whole household lor

[5:04 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Pregnant women can register for Covid-19 jabs from June 4; cancer patients on active treatment can also be vaccinated

Pregnant women and cancer patients on active treatment are among the sub-groups of individuals that can also be vaccinated, said the multi-ministry task force (MTF) in an update on Monday (May 31).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/pregnant-women-can-register-for-covid-19-jabs-from-june-4-cancer-patients-on-active

[5:05 pm, 31/05/2021] +Anne: Hmm... surprise our G is going ahead with vaccinating those age 12-15.

In US, a few in this age group suffered heart inflammation and CDC is investigating. Thought our G will wait for the investigation outcome before vaccinating this age group.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-cdc-investigating-heart-problem-few-young-vaccine-recipients-nyt-2021-05-22/

[5:06 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: Why divorced? Not any fault of any partners wat. Should take up the issues with MOH right?

[5:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: https://youtu.be/UyaTP649Olk

[5:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: up to the parents to decide lor

[5:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: but once they want to take, they can make a booking immediately

[5:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: My views are as follows.

1) Doing very well so far. Applaud the test kits for sale soon and testing as a new normal so we can enjoy events and gatherings in the future.

2) Good that gov target kids first as they seem to be particularly vulnerable for new variant. Another Visionary move I may say.

3) My concern is the number of open clusters and unlink ones. Currently we have 39 open clusters and 20+ unlinked cases per week. If we allow dine-in too early in June we might have another wave of infection.

My 2.14 cents

[5:32 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: MOH to allow other Covid-19 vaccines through private sector, reviewing mRNA jabs for those with anaphylaxis

The Ministry of Health will allow access to other Covid-19 vaccines under the Special Access Route (SAR) in order to enhance the overall vaccination coverage.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-to-allow-other-covid-19-vaccines-through-private-sector-reviewing-mrna-jabs-for

[5:34 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: More than 400,000 students aged 12 and above to receive COVID-19 vaccination invite from Jun 1

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-students-school-moe-14919972

Ample supply of food and essential items in Singapore: Gan Kim Yong on supply concerns arising from Malaysia lockdown

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/ample-supply-food-essential-items-in-singapore-gan-kim-yong-14920098

People who want alternative COVID-19 vaccines can get them under special access route

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/alternative-covid-19-vaccines-special-access-route-moh-14920192

[5:40 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Singapore's tightened Covid-19 measures working, but not the time to relax: Lawrence Wong

The current tightened community measures are working and bearing fruit, but it is not the time to relax or let our guard down, said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong on Monday (May 31).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapores-tightened-covid-19-measures-working-but-not-the-time-to-relax-lawrence

[5:55 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: agree that we should not let down our guard many countries which are performing well let down their guard and the breeches open

[5:55 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: we shoudl maintain a new norm

[5:55 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: boarder still open but as long as a country is escalating in their cases block immediate till further results

[5:56 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: locally as long as we have cases in a clustered do community swap like what is happen in hdb flats now

[5:56 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: remember no one wants a shut down neither can we always be like aussie open and shut (windows mgt)

[5:56 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: must be resilient and agile

[5:57 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: the public had to ween off the concept every time govt will step in and help, bank account will be zero in time to come

[5:58 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: once our society is well, the gears of internal economy will move again

[5:59 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: at least that wil spur internal spending -> generate imports -> means got business -> got job

[5:59 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Just wonder how the execution on private healthcare in administrating the vaccination. After all, supply is limited...

[6:00 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in terms of blue collars external workers instead of letting them go, possible to extend them, by now the current group here will had been certify clean state of health ....

[6:00 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 6 key announcements from PM Lee Hsien Loong's address on Covid-19 plans

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Monday (May 31) addressed Singaporeans on the country's approach to tackling Covid-19 in a live broadcast.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/6-key-announcements-from-pm-lee-hsien-loongs-address-on-covid-19-plans

[6:03 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: and also the cost for the public....

[6:06 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: For the self-testing approach, there may have a higher false alarm...  (both ways) Wondering the behavioural of people...??

[6:06 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Is like baby test kit lor

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: wait before we jump into intermediate level

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: But that one sure know la

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: What they did few nights before

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: basic things still not address

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: people who are sick dun wanna see doc

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: If posit5 sure see doc

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is serious ....

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Positive

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Or worse, what if it throws up a false negative and the person goes about his/her daily life even though the virus is incubating or lagi worse, showing mild symptoms??

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: See doc still cheaper.

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: espically those with combo symptoms

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: $10

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Test kit think will cost more

[6:07 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Got no medicine also

[6:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: suggest we tackle the base issue first

[6:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like how to kick ppl to see doctor

[6:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: espically those combo type

[6:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: fever + running nose ; fever + die-rear: fever + cough - alert 1 level

[6:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: OK lah, at least yesterday don't have the "showed symptom on x date but didn't seek medical attention"

[6:09 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yesterday only

[6:09 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: sakali tomorrow we see every day have symptons on x see doc y

[6:09 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hahahaha

[6:09 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Maybe paste this at each test kit. Like cigarettes box

[6:10 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i think at every RC notice board is good

[6:11 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Yesterday's ST had an article that talks about the symptoms where people should go to a doc. At least 1 symptom of fever, headache, cough, runny nose, diarrhoea, body aches.

[6:13 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: actually 1 is very subjective

[6:13 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: cos example ladies mthly will have such symtpoms headache

[6:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but fever is a no no must go

[6:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like smokes some smoke after 1 stick will cough like tio tb but after a while is ok

[6:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: how to classify such case

[6:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Everyone know their own body best

[6:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: some take msg (since many need to da bao now) will kenna here ache that ache and headache .. how

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this one need medical ppl to come scope down further

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but no excuse for combo

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Hannor. And people with arthritic conditions will have bodyache everyday...

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is the single symptoms that is stopping ppl from gong to see doc i think

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: combo we dun care must go see doc simple

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Students to get Covid-19 jabs from June 1: All you need to know about the vaccination exercise

Amid more infections among children in the recent Covid-19 outbreak, Singapore will roll out its vaccination exercise to more than 400,000 students in schools and institutes of higher learning, including autonomous universities, polytechnics and the Institute of Technical Education. 

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/faqs-on-covid-19-jabs-for-students

[6:15 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Behavioural science la... So the policy and strategy got good intent.... It is the execution that will generate confusion or negative feedback loop

[6:16 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is always the down stream of instruction that diverts somehow

[6:16 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Urge to walk thru the execution

[6:16 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: B become p

[6:16 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: b d p q

[6:17 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: those in army will understand

[6:17 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: But I feel that maybe the issue holding people back from going to see a doctor is the MC policy. Cos 14 days will run out damn fast. And some companies esp the SMEs frown on their people taking MC. 

I'm not sure if there's already a guidance note issued by MOH or MOM, but the MC policy shouldn't become an impediment to people delaying to see the doctor. If push comes to shove, it may require a regulation for companies to suspend MC policy during this pandemic.

[6:18 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: also local work culture

[6:18 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if boss see u kenna too many shn (due to symptoms) will think you chao geng

[6:19 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yes we cannot exclude the % of chao geng as well

[6:19 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: No need army la... Those coding will know also... need to take care of errors

[6:21 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: This bopian... if the intent is to open and not lag behind from other countries eg US, then there is trade off need to make.  Between tackling Chao Geng and biz not able to operate, the employer has to weigh himself

[6:23 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: If the bosses can't trust this person, then why still keep this person employed right? And as a boss, whether this is a chao keng kia or a legit case, can tell one what.

[6:23 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not many mgt think openly even in mnc with the non local they will think local chaos keng

[6:23 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is a very bad culture

[6:24 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i rather the chao keng dun come cos is a calculated risk -> who know it is real anot right

[6:24 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Racism?  Something we should shoot them?

[6:25 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: Agreed

[6:25 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: And honestly, a boss who thinks that a person is a good worker is chao keng kia just because he/she has weak health is not worth working for lah.

[6:25 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: 👍

[6:26 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Like for ladies (at least for me), I normally get very bad cramps and I need to be out at least 1 or 2 days a month. Of course I do make up for my absence on other days, but it's not like I can choose not to feel the pain.

[6:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: Actually many staff nowadays suddenly no MCs as I think the common flu has also been curbed by everyone’s wearing masks

[6:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: nothing to do with racisim and please dun go there

[6:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: It is i said somewhere before wear a mask is actually a good thing

[6:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: cos in asean we have very bad social manners

[6:29 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: puttin on a mask can make one less sick espically to airborne sickness

[6:29 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: of cos help with those who are bad breathe also

[6:29 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hahahaha

[6:30 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: Yes. The new normal

[6:30 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: actually is not new

[6:30 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: sorry ugly word from typo

[6:31 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: the stigma with ppl is mask means u are a sick man with terrible sickness and you should not be in public

[6:31 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i had personally tired putting on mask for 2 years way before covid due to my job nature and hey i dun fall sick that often

[6:32 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Eh can I just say here (sorry to digress), but some reporters quite no manners ah. Like Salma from Straits Times, the way she asked the question earlier was so aggressive and rude!! Even with the best intentions, a bad tone just throws everything out the window. That was so rude!

[6:32 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: maybe that time of the mth she cannot control

[6:32 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hormones at play

[6:33 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Yeah, indeed. When I had the flu previously and I wore a mask to office, literally EVERYONE asked me what was wrong with me. Like my name suddenly became Disease

[6:33 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i was even label

[6:33 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Eh.... That's sexist....... Rude is rude. Nothing to do with hormones please. If men are rude, no one asks them "hormones ah?"

[6:34 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yes mans is menopaused worst (starting as early as 30s)

[6:34 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hais u dun wan meet a man with that is worst den lady....

[6:37 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Wah lau... This kind really damn aggro about everything, damn bullish about their decisions and think they're always right. And I notice it's always an all or nothing, either their (very wrong) way or the highway. OK lor. You want to die I let you die.

[6:37 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: I think is the mental model and culture in our employment.  If you read some mgmt publication recently, most talents want to have flexibility in working hours and mode  - not 9-5 in office.  

Trust, adaptability and flexibility need to be ex by employers to attract these talents.  

Old mindset will not help.

[6:38 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Pilots of large-scale Covid-19 tests in venues like hostels and malls to be rolled out here

Pilots of large-scale Covid-19 tests in places like students hostels and malls will be rolled out here progressively, as Singapore ramps up its testing regime to prevent the spread of the disease.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/pilots-of-large-scale-covid-19-tests-in-venues-like-hostels-and-malls-to-be-rolled-out

[6:38 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: But there was also a recent article that the bosses are itching to get everyone back in office cos they can't trust people to be working when they're not seen to be working.

[6:39 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Not sure how long this boss or biz will last...

[6:39 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/alternative-covid-19-vaccines-special-access-route-moh-14920192                                                                                                                            People allergic to mRNA vaccines like Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines - can be vaccinated through special access route take other vaccines like Sinovac (when WHO approve), Sinopharm, Astrazenenca, Johnson & Johnson (approved by WHO).

[6:39 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Means got to pay? Or gov pay?

[6:40 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: To prove the value of SPH journalist?

[6:40 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: 🤷🏻‍♀️ Some people keep repeating "you don't come back, I will outsource your job"

[6:40 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yes i know of one company, even till this stage can argue heaven and earth to have ppl go back... duhhhh

[6:40 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: I actually feel that this totally explains why they're totally going downhill.

[6:41 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Eh... shouldn’t Govt take action on these bosses? To fine a co dun feel pain

[6:41 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Sinopharm? Approved by WHO

[6:43 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.who.int/news/item/07-05-2021-who-lists-additional-covid-19-vaccine-for-emergency-use-and-issues-interim-policy-recommendations

WHO lists additional COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use and issues interim policy recommendations - include Sinopharm

[6:43 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Yah... I know of a company who's taking this opportunity to downsize the office. But instead of moving to hotdesking, guess what? They're squeezing everybody into smaller work spaces by moving them into cubicles!! All I'm seeing is a petri dish where people are sitting in close proximity for 8 hours....

[6:44 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: BEST PART SOME COMPANIES LIEK I SHARE IN HERE BEFORE DUN ENFORCE SAFE DISTANCING LIKE WHAT cd MENTIONED

[6:44 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: darn sorry for the caps

[6:44 pm, 31/05/2021] +Serene Lim: Government should  consider giving vaccination to sibling of PSLE, GCE 'O', 'A' student    level at the same time  to prevent passing of virus from one to another sibling as sibling are in the same household

[6:45 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: some even dun enforce mask wearing .. is like hey u guy are not even my relatives why should we not wear mask just because the top man do not wear

[6:45 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Exactly!!! I cannot take it!

[6:46 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: and when shit happen they blame that 1...... that 1 that only 1 infected staff

[6:48 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Dear contributors,

We will be extending the chat to 10pm today 

Thank you.

[6:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: I don't mind if you want to take off mask if you have your own office and you close door. But not in cubicles lar, omg.... And so what if you put up acrylic? It doesn't stop the air around you from being contaminated what. Alternate seats still OK, but packed side to side and facing each other. Omg....

[6:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not refer to thos eindividual those ok lah is u and urself

[6:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but in the public open office all dun wear mask

[6:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: faint

[6:50 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Exactly lor. This kind I damn scared. Shock and horror.... And SDAs don't ever walk into the offices one. Only if people baotoh then the company will kena

[6:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: no will not kenna they are given 3 to 4 times of warning den only a smack on their hands

[6:51 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Eeyer...... Then when cluster, they blame the person.

[6:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: cos an ex company of mind kenna last year with over the limit workforce ....

[6:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: den is 4 times of warning not surprise 5th time also have

[6:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Or worse "heng you negative ah.... Otherwise the whole office kena". What the heck......

[6:52 pm, 31/05/2021] +Matthew: I think both employers and employees have parts to play. A lot of times it also boils down to personal responsibility. Companies can have policies and reminders, but it's really up to the employees to abide also. 

HR/Management cannot be expected to monitor every single employee's movement and micromanage everyone. A lot of employees remove masks to drink water/coffee/tea but slowly drink for a long time; it makes it very hard for the HR/management to enforce too (cos the HR/management will look bad if they tell the employee to finish drinking the coffee within 2min, for example)..

[6:55 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: Eh wrong chat ah. Dun make us hungry leh😁

[6:56 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Companies can ensure that the quota is adhered to, and the people coming in are not sitting in desks which are immediately opposite/adjacent to each other. At least that limits the spread somewhat. Of course, the employees also have to deal with the masks, so WFH if you can lar... But when both the companies and employees don't play ball, that's when everything goes downhill.

[6:59 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Singapore hopes to resume normal international travel, but insufficient data to lift restrictions for now: Ong Ye Kung

Singapore hopes to resume normal international travel, but there is not enough data to decide whether lifting travel restrictions is possible for now, said Health Minister Ong Ye Kung on Monday (May 31). 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-travel-overseas-stay-home-notice-restrictions-14920466

[7:10 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: 7pm liao no close shop yet?

[7:13 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: Extended opening hours until 10pm

[7:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: 👍🏻

[7:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: So far feedback still only we regulars always keep giving

[7:14 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Like to see those lurkers giving their opinions

[7:24 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Channel 8 news NCID expert - urge parents to get their children 12 - 15 years old vaccinated.

2. Trials and many US children in this age group reveal that Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is safe for this children similar to adults.

3. Children infected with covid-19 is far more serious as it will have long term damage to many vital organs such as brain, lungs and heart.

NCID comments.

[7:26 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

NCID expert say don't procrastinate and wait - as the mutants variants are spreading very fast.

Protect your children.

[7:27 pm, 31/05/2021] +Wilson Leong: I think can wait for WHO to give the go ahead for sinovac then government can give those that can not be jabbed by mRNA

[7:33 pm, 31/05/2021] +BP: Why not sinopharm that was approved?

[8:16 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because we only bought Sinovac and not sinopharm.

[8:16 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心:

 Because we only bought Sinovac and not sinopharm.

[8:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yes I’m puzzled as well

[8:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: But I heard Sinopharm isn’t for sale

[8:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: It’s only for use in China

[8:30 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Huh

[8:30 pm, 31/05/2021] +Caleb: Then WHO approve for what

[8:31 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinopharm is state run pharmaceutical company.

It supply Sinopharm vaccines to quite a number of countries.

Sinovac is produced by private company. We bought them pre-approved.

[8:35 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Seychelles also mainly use sinopharm vaccines.

[8:36 pm, 31/05/2021] +CQ: https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/5/

These are the countries which have approved Sinopharm

Argentina

Bahrain

Bangladesh

Belarus

Bolivia (Plurinational State of)

Brunei Darussalam

Cambodia

Cameroon

China

Comoros

Egypt

Equatorial Guinea

Gabon

Guyana

Hungary

Iran (Islamic Republic of)

Iraq

Jordan

Kyrgyzstan

Lao People's Democratic Republic

Lebanon

Maldives

Mongolia

Montenegro

Morocco

Mozambique

Namibia

Nepal

Niger

North Macedonia

Pakistan

Peru

Republic of the Congo

Senegal

Serbia

Seychelles

Sierra Leone

Somalia

Sri Lanka

United Arab Emirates

Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)

Zimbabwe

[8:46 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: S'pore will take risk-based approach in allowing overseas travel in coming months: Lawrence Wong

A risk-based approach will be taken in allowing travel for Singaporeans in the coming months, even as more of Singapore's population gets vaccinated, said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong on Monday (May 31).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ability-to-travel-overseas-will-still-depend-on-risk-profile-of-countries-lawrence-wong

[8:49 pm, 31/05/2021] +Elena Woo: Already our community are infected due to leakages through those imported cases. Now to remove quarantine for travellers from countries deem as safe? How safe is safe then? It seems to open up loopholes for new infections without quarantine?

[8:58 pm, 31/05/2021] +Valli: All travellers coming in & out, should make it mandatory to be vaccinated then allow entry.

[9:03 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If impose overseas travellers to quarantine for 14 days - no tourists will come - because they will have to pay to stay in hotel for 14 days doing nothing - and pay high price per day in hotel.

2. Thus allowing tourists from low risk countries with test conducted before hand make more sense.

3. In fact, I support vaccinated overseas travellers. It will be safer for the community and the tourists - in this new normal.

4. As most if not all Singapore population are vaccinated - we are pretty much protected against the virus.

[9:08 pm, 31/05/2021] +Simon: 👍

[9:10 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Yes vaccinated with a negative test on departure and a negative test on arrival, and a negative test every 3 days while here.

[9:11 pm, 31/05/2021] +Ben: Also for citizens already here. Once the simple test is ready then we can start opening up for vaccinated people who test negative regularly

[9:18 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Currently, SIA as a group is burning cash $150 million every month.

2. In endemic stage, where we have to coexist with covid like common flu or dengue fever - we will have to adapt ourselves to new normal - and revive our air hub and our tourism sector.

3. Testing, contact tracing and vaccination are our protection - when we adapt to new normal - while receiving overseas travellers.

4. Else our external economy cannot be revived.

[9:25 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. Those who do not get Vaccination - become a high risk group - because they are not protected - but have to face the risk of exposure to infectious covid.

6. Hence eventually, Mandatory vaccination - will become a natural choice.

7. That's why, government announced vaccination strategy for all people including pregnant women, breastfeeding women, allergies people, children, those who refuse vaccination etc.

8. The idea is to cover every single one - so that every single people are protected - when we enter into an endemic stage.

9. This is the scenario with no choice - and the only choice.

10. Those not vaccinated - is suicidal.

[9:28 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: 8% of unvaccinated Covid-19 patients developed severe form of disease in last six weeks: Ong Ye Kung

Eight per cent of unvaccinated Covid-19 patients here in the past six weeks had their condition worsen to the point of requiring supplemental oxygen, said Health Minister Ong Ye Kung on Monday (May 31).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/8-of-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients-developed-severe-form-of-disease-in-last-six

[9:46 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[9:46 pm, 31/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan

[9:57 pm, 31/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. People can wait.

2. Covid virus won't wait.

3. Get Vaccination fast.

4. Protect ourselves and our loved ones.

[9:59 pm, 31/05/2021] +Smiley face: In short, any country that can FULLY open its border to trades and travels with SECURED perimeters in checks in containing covid to a minimal insignificant, will be an ABSOLUTE UNFAIRLY ADVANTAGE over all counter parties!

Confidence through CONTAINMENT, 

SECURING our tomorrow through today's hardwork!

UNITED, WE FIGHT THIS ON (Covid)!

[10:00 pm, 31/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

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REACH 236 - Views on further tightening border measures & vaccinating 12 - 15 years old (SK)

28 May 2021 (11am - 7pm)

REACH

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[10:03 am, 28/05/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

From 11.59pm on May 29, Singaporeans and permanent residents (PRs) will have to test negative for Covid-19 before returning to or transiting through Singapore, as the country further tightens its border measures to manage the risk of imported cases and virus transmission in the community. 

Tightened measures have also been introduced in the community, and vaccination roll-out ramped up - with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine authorised for use for children aged 12 to 15. 

💬 What do you think of the further tightened border measures to reduce the risk of imported cases? Parents, what do you think about vaccination for kids between 12 and 15-years old as part of the nation's efforts to protect Singapore and Singaporeans against COVID-19? 

All travellers will have to present a valid negative COVID-19 polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test result within 72 hours before they depart for Singapore. They will have to show their results again upon arrival in Singapore, before taking a PCR test and serving a 21-day stay-home notice (SHN).  

The Government has lengthened the SHN period for travellers from higher-risk countries or regions, and stopped accepting new entry applications for work pass holders from higher-risk areas for now. Long-term visit pass holders and short-term visitors who have been in Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka within the last 21 days have also been barred from entering Singapore.  

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-extends-pre-departure-covid-19-testing-requirement-to-spore-citizens-and-prs 

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-tightens-border-measures-travellers-victoria-australia-14899098

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-children-singapore-12-15-14833074

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[10:06 am, 28/05/2021] +Ken: Should have done long ago… 😅

Hopefully we can manage to prevent further spread. If not many business is not gonna make it

[10:08 am, 28/05/2021] +Ken: Vaccination done on Wednesday, first 2 days really no joke. 

Tired, mild fever, arm pain. 

Guess is one of the way we have to do to prevent further spread and help to get back to normal faster with locally high percentage inoculated

[10:11 am, 28/05/2021] +REACH: https://www.facebook.com/916503765030893/posts/4589040704443829/

[10:23 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Currently to stop further community spread, further tightening of the border measures is necessary.

2. But population need to ramp up our vaccination to protect ourselves - as we cannot close our borders perpetually - without incurring big impact to our economy.

3. The current foreign workers shortage in the construction sector already showing the negative impact - and many public projects are delayed not withstanding many private projects.

4. I support the vaccination of the age 12 to 15 years old to protect them as many students are infected in this current wave of infection.

5. The after effects of infection has long term damage to the patients.

[10:25 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Now in US, only 7 cases per day - after mass vaccination.

At peak was 250,000 cases per day.

[10:26 am, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I agree with PRs, Pass holders and other foreigners needing for negative test before returning or transiting. But Citizens should be tested upon arrival, we shouldn't let our own ppl stranded somewhere if they can't get a swab test. Anyway, Citizens got nowhere to run, swab and SHN until result is clear. If they commit any offense then charge them. My 2.14 cents.

[10:26 am, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: No comments on kids vaccination as I'm impartial to it.

[10:27 am, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I agree with Danny. The virus doesn't care what race you are.

[10:28 am, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yet we cannot close our borders totally.

[10:28 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Closing borders entirely does not guarantee no infection.

2. Taiwan close their borders very well.

Now community cases exploded.

3. Australia also close their borders very well - but now Melbourne reported many cases of infection.

4. Hence vaccination is vitally important to protect local community.

[10:29 am, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: All travellers will have to present a valid negative COVID-19 polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test result within 72 hours before they depart for Singapore. They will have to show their results again upon arrival in Singapore, before taking a PCR test and serving a 21-day stay-home notice (SHN). 

Answer:

What's the quality of these foreigns PCR tests? 

Any lapses and FABRICATIONS at these foreign countries?

When these foreigners arrived into our Changi Airport (SPACE), are there RULES to REFUSE enter based on failed PCR tests at our side?

[10:29 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/travel-tourism-reopening-covid-19-pandemic-summer-2021-14894880                                                                                                                               As vaccination pick up speed in many Countries, more Countries are eager to reopen travel - to reboot their Economy.

[10:31 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

For countries that have done well in vaccination - many such countries are eagerly opening up their borders for tourists.

But they are inviting vaccinated overseas travellers.

[10:32 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/eu-summit-welcomes-covid-19-certificate-to-unlock-travel-14885172                                                                                                                                  EU allow inter-Bloc travel with vaccination certificate.

[10:33 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/donation-vaccines-poorer-ramp-up-rollout-programmes-14855960                                                                                                                                       Every Countries in the World need to get vaccinated right away - to end the Global pandemic.

[10:33 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/vaccines-versus-variants-will-the-world-ever-reach-herd-immunity

New strains and Vaccination hesitancy are the greatest obstacle in helping the world reach herd immunity - and reopening of the world economy.

This problem is face by Countries worldwide - US,  UK, Israel, Arab Countries, EU, Japan, Thailand, HK etc ---- Singapore to some extent.

Indonesia, Israel, Arab Countries are taking tougher measures to make population comply.

US, EU are offering incentives and free gift.

[10:33 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-saudi-arabia-ups-pressure-on-anti-vaxxers-14875412                                                                                                                                                                Saudi taking tough measure on anti-vaxx group - that derail vaccination, propagate misinformation that cause vaccination hesitancy, prevent opening up and economic recovery. Many Gulf Countries are following the footstep of Saudi.

[10:35 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-shuns-stringent-lockdown-looks-to-vaccination-to-overcome-covid-19                                                                                                                                          Balancing lives and livelihood - half-hearted lockdown - trigger covid surge (follow by slow vaccination).

[10:35 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3133689/fresh-local-covid-19-cases-china-trigger-run-vaccines                                                                                                                                   People in China scramble to be vaccinated as fresh covid cases break out.

[10:38 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So to conclude, based on so many case studies out there :- vaccination is currently the most potent solution to protect population within the Country.

And the most effective solution to defeat the covid pandemic - emerge from the crisis - and help us to reopen our economy and keep our business and jobs going.

[10:46 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The long term effects of contracting covid - are very serious.

It can damage many of our vital organs.

So do protect ourselves, our family members and our young ones from covid - by vaccination.

Don't lottery our life and our loved ones away.

[11:03 am, 28/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: been telling ppl this

[11:03 am, 28/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: no one bother and in fact the Govt shld bring such news to ppl attentioned

[11:04 am, 28/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: imagine the kids are being affected how can we have a strong singapore core

[11:04 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Great to see these new measures. A bit confused why we didn't already have them.

[11:05 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: As a parent I'm OK with my kid being vaccinated. I am not aware of problems with Pfizer.

[11:06 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: I would like to see the use of tests to determine if people have the antibodies l, which is probably nie as useful as knowing if they are testing negative.

[11:07 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Still testing well

[11:08 am, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/immunity-to-the-coronavirus-may-persist-for-years-scientists-find                                                                                                                                                    

Study shows that immunity after vaccination can last much longer than a year.

Though anti-bodies at blood level drop, memory B cell laid dominant in the bone marrow - that will trigger an antibodies response if infected.

[11:08 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: We should see this increase dramatically

[11:08 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Great job on delivering both doses

[11:09 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Yes managing outbreaks and increasing vaccinations is key. We can't keep borders closed and we can't keep locking down.

[11:10 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Fair questions, despite the🤔 tone 🙂

[11:12 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/rich-countries-cornered-covid-19-vaccine-doses-four-strategies-right-scandalous

[11:12 am, 28/05/2021] +YT: I support vaccination for children between 12 to 15 years old. Parents who refuse to get rheor children vaccinated should not be allowed to send their children to school when school starts. I recall during P1 registration, children need to have the necessary vaccinations before they can complete their registration. The Covid-19 vaccination should should be made mandatory.

[11:13 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Would be good to see vaccinated people have some benefit to being vaccinated. Currently there is none so little incentive if you believe you won't get infected.

[11:14 am, 28/05/2021] +YT: There was a letter circulating recently by some doctors who made known their personal preferences that children in this age group should not be vaccinated. Those doctors should be censured and a strong message should be sent by the government that anti vaxxers, whatever their agenda may be, have no place in this fight against the health crisis we are facing.

[11:14 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: At least once the vaccine is rolled out to all ages.

[11:14 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Agreed, unless there is actual substantiated evidence

[11:15 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Remember the whistle blowers in China. The gov there censured them and look what happened.

[11:16 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-residents-remember-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-a-year-after-his-death

[11:17 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Yes personal preference is not a qualified position to publicise

[11:17 am, 28/05/2021] +YT: Anti vaxxers are often motivated by religious beliefs. Despite religious teachers and elders coming out to reassure their followers, anti vaxxers are still spreading unverified information to dissuade others from getting vaccinated. They have infiltrated chatgroups and may post seemingly innocuous messages but they all have the same theme. Don't trust the vaccines. Don't trust the government. 

I hope the government is aware of such groups and act swiftly to nip them in the bud.

[11:17 am, 28/05/2021] +Sam: How does an infected Singaporean feel when he is not allowed to return home. How does the family of the infected Singaporean feel when the loved is denied entry? Of course we got to be fair to passengers of the same plane. But I guess, risk containment measures can be imposed to minimise the risk. For an asymptomatic infected person, I guess the risk should be already low. With enough distancing, and minimal contact, we should bring our people back.

[11:20 am, 28/05/2021] +~: Any preference for vaccine on ppe 50-55 age or ppe above 75

[11:21 am, 28/05/2021] +Valli: I was of the opinion that this has been implemented for all incoming travellers that they should be swabbed negative then allowed to come in , excluding citizens & PR

[11:34 am, 28/05/2021] +Valli: Should legislate 

All those wanting to travel should get tested negative & have a vaccination cert. 

For both outgoing & incoming travellers. 

Otherwise there is no end to containing this virus. 

Does not make sense in letting in people who are infectious.

[11:43 am, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: One may adhere to GOLD standards while others just merely pass....

[11:44 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, in and out regardless of nationality.

[11:46 am, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: https://tdy.sg/2ToulxG

[11:48 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Where do they go if they test positive, and how are the people they were in contact with handled?

[11:50 am, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: They should not fly in when they are infectious. Just like in Sg those that have covid are being bring to a place. And not allow to roam around Sg

[11:53 am, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: REFUSE entry upon failed test results and immediate REPATRIATE next flight out, even if it was the last, following day 1st flight out! 

Policy to look into?

[11:55 am, 28/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, exactly. Not sure why this wasn't in place immediately. How does an airline not insist on a negative test before boarding.

[11:55 am, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: It is a fact that people fabricate their education diplomas, what's there to stop this behavior of cheating a swab test?

Singapore is ranked the BEST place to live in, this covid times. IS A FACT!

[0:03 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: Airlines only verify for negative test results. Simply a paperwork process and filling up the seats! Almost like an Import & Export business. 

The challenge starts when the arrivals touch down into one's SPACE!

That's the beginning of this government to check and verify on the spot.

[0:04 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ken: Lol totally

[0:05 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ken: They are not a country… cannot set such rules.. you want then country to ban you? 🤣

[0:07 pm, 28/05/2021] +Vivian: Should have more dine in areas for people who needs it. Kreta Ayer - Kim Seng has implement this and it's job well done! 👍

[0:08 pm, 28/05/2021] +Vivian: Especially in town areas

[0:09 pm, 28/05/2021] +CQ: A lot of places have this, some malls took the initiative to start. This place isn't the first.

[0:09 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ben: UK now doesn't even allow UK national to enter without a negative test before boarding

[0:10 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: It will be logistical challenge to "send" a SWAB TEAM on the day flight back to country of origin to conduct on the spot tests.

One, one way flight out to the country of origin, may well be over 3 hours or more (12 hours work span), catching last flight out and back to home - a day trip! (for South Asia Countries, this case) 

Two, there may be a risk of infecting members of this small SWAB TEAM?

Three, this SWAP TEAM will have to Q or SHN upon arriving back home.

[0:11 pm, 28/05/2021] +Vivian: I'm just saying as I seen a post from FB. Also should not limit to drivers only.

[0:11 pm, 28/05/2021] +Vivian: A lot of people really need an eating place. #makestheworldabetterplace

[0:16 pm, 28/05/2021] +Angelica: Then if they test positive where do they go?

[0:47 pm, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: Today is 28 liao

[0:47 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Digitally altered banner of dine-in area for essential workers in poor taste: Josephine Teo

Communications and Information Minister Josephine Teo on Friday (May 28) has slammed as crude an altered image of a dine-in area set up in Lower Delta Road for taxi drivers and delivery riders.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/digitally-altered-banner-of-dine-in-area-for-essential-workers-in-poor-taste-josephine-teo

[0:52 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think our community cases are in the downward trajectory.

It has improved from 20 over cases.

[0:54 pm, 28/05/2021] +YT: Hopefully

 But let's not count the chickens before they hatch. Or rather, let's not count those not detected yet before they are detected. There are obviously inconsiderate, socially illiterate people who are sick but choose not to consult a doctor. As long as there are such people around, no one is safe. Stronger messaging needed to tell/advice/remind people to be socially responsible and see a doctor when sick and not go to work or school or for that matter, shopping malls.

[1:10 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: MC to re-enter to schools or workplace...

[1:15 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: Being able to fully open up and secure are the TWO BEST UNFAIR competitive advantage a country has, importantly this covid times!

[1:16 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: my worry now is dorm and still have unlink

[1:16 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: our open clusters have risen to 35

[1:18 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus our best protection is vaccination because it sprout everywhere.

[1:18 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree. All must vaccinate

[1:18 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Even if one jab better than no jab

[1:36 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ken: Err just wait for more days to see bah

[1:49 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ben: correct - it reduces the spread, reduces symptoms, reduces hospitalisation and death. Let's roll it out quicker and to more people and worry less about those who don't want it. Once everyone who does want it has had it, then we focus on opening up and encouraging the remaining people to take it.

[1:49 pm, 28/05/2021] +Ben: This is a very simple policy to take, also the cheapest and puts our resources where needed most. Will get a lot of support from all the people keen to have the vaccine but currently not able to get it.

[1:53 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://mothership.sg/2021/05/yishun-elderly-men-gather-not-scared-covid/?fbclid=IwAR0n0M_DDF_pfYtsE24fX7kNV7KVAKCr2p1pDZIBtFOpIWOQJDPpTVBYHIg

[1:53 pm, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: Now we have SINOVAC, the gov have not allow even for those with allergy and can't take the RNAs One

[1:54 pm, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: Isn't now emergency use?lol

[1:54 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I’ve heard of some news that Chinese workers over here want this jab

[1:54 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Once approve they confirm rush for this vaccine

[2:04 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

1. So picture will only become clearer if all medically eligible adults are vaccinated by August.

2. In the meantime, phase 2HA can relax by 13 jun?

We still have to maintain good controls to win back likes of WEF, Shangri-la type of high profile international meetings.

3. Vaccination alone is only 1 aspect. 

Bloomberg has several criteria in their covid resilience ranking.

[3:23 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Jobs Support Scheme extended to retailers, gyms and arts sector

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/jobs-support-scheme-covid-19-phase-2-rental-retail-gyms-14903738

[3:24 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: $800 million Covid-19 support package to help firms and workers, including enhanced wage subsidies, rental relief

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/800-million-covid-19-support-package-to-help-firms-and-workers-including-enhanced-wage

[3:32 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: $800 million Covid-19 support package to help firms and workers, including enhanced wage subsidies, rental relief

An $800 million support package that includes enhanced wage subsidies under the Jobs Support Scheme and rental relief will be rolled out to help businesses and workers cope with the impact of tightened Covid-19 restrictions.

Announcing the measures on Friday (May 28), Finance Minister Lawrence Wong said affected gyms, fitness studios and performing arts and arts education centres will get 50 per cent of salary support for local employees under the Jobs Support Scheme (JSS).

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/800-million-covid-19-support-package-to-help-firms-and-workers-including-enhanced-wage

[3:33 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Likely no need to further tighten Singapore's Covid-19 rules as community cases have stabilised: Lawrence Wong

Prevailing measures to curb the spread of the Covid-19 virus have been working so far as the number of new community cases have stabilised, said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong on Friday (May 28).

"Therefore, we do not think there is a need for further tightening in our overall posture," he said, adding that Singaporeans will still need to remain vigilant and play their part by minimising their activities and movement outside of their homes.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/likely-no-need-to-further-tighten-spores-covid-19-rules-as-curbs-are-working-lawrence-wong

[3:36 pm, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: 👍

[3:43 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: Some thoughts to share with all.... 

Our Singapore:

Singapore's covid strategies for the next 2 years are OPEN LOGISTICAL AND TRANSITS using digital technologies to pack the new covid order. There will be a reshuffle in terms of the competitive nominal roles of each country and inter-competiveness. Singapore is well aware of its challenges and opportunities moving into 2023 and beyond. Singapore has the means to financial capital, technological capital (includes Fintech) and political capital to leverage Asean as a whole to a new level of playing field with the superpowers of the world. 

The last 15 months of covid invasions have brought about a significant digital commerce opportunities across the world and this instant Asean.

[3:50 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: 15 new COVID-19 community cases in Singapore, including 4 unlinked infections

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-community-may-28-moh-unlinked-quarantine-imported-14902254

[3:50 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: "... play to win..."

United, We Fight On this (covid)

[4:01 pm, 28/05/2021] +Rama: We are doing well

[4:17 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: How better ventilation in buildings could help stem the spread of COVID-19

Improving ventilation and the flow of fresh air inside buildings could help to prevent the concentration of aerosol particles, though experts that CNA spoke to had differing views on how effective this would be in reducing COVID-19 transmission.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-reduce-transmission-fresh-air-experts-14903768

[4:35 pm, 28/05/2021] +Smiley face: Summary

Situational (open, partial or confined), airflow, velocity (seasonal), ventilate and importantly the physical distance and VOLUME (lxbxh) speaks the loudest!

Afterwords:

Identifying the range of variables and challenges, we can proceed to check and eliminate these pointers to solve an existing problem or issue with a higher confidence of positive outcome.

Ventilation is like a Social Distancing initiative! SPACE is a nature given, free (not in a modern economics of space)! 

There is need to qualify and quantify a given SPACE from private to public whether is a toilet, a room, a building or a populated city!

[4:40 pm, 28/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Can I clarify. Friends were saying that  if you use token. You need to call MoH to find out if you are infected if you passed those areas. I thought the token will trigger by trace together app to show if I am near an infected person because all is linked by nric?

[4:51 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Singapore planning for possibility that Covid-19 becomes endemic here

Singapore has started planning for the possibility that Covid-19 may become endemic here, said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong on Friday (May 28).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-planning-for-possibility-that-covid-19-becomes-endemic-here

[4:54 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Rental rebates to be passed directly to tenants in privately-owned commercial properties

Small and medium-sized enterprises as well as non-profit organisations (NPOs) in privately-owned commercial properties can expect to receive cash payouts directly from the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore (Iras).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/rental-rebates-to-be-passed-directly-to-tenants-in-privately-owned-commercial-properties

[5:11 pm, 28/05/2021] +CQ: Can this be made into a BCA requirement or something please? Sick Building Syndrome is a thing. There are so many offices where the flu bug just keeps making its round over and over and over that you fall sick again before you can even recover from an earlier round. And this was accepted as commonplace! It shouldn't have to take a pandemic for this to change, but now that we're here, please make this a thing...

[5:24 pm, 28/05/2021] +Caleb: But current measures may extend?

[5:33 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Luckily we don't have to dig into past reserves - but funded through reallocation of spending.

2. Also look like this round of budget is more targeted to those business sectors and jobs that are impacted and need help.

[5:41 pm, 28/05/2021] +Kevin: No please don’t

[5:42 pm, 28/05/2021] +Kevin: It will harm hawkers business

[5:44 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: S'pore will not dip into reserves to fund new Covid-19 support package, says Lawrence Wong

Singapore will not dip into its reserves to fund a new $800 million Covid-19 support package, said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong on Friday (May 28).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-will-not-dip-into-reserves-to-fund-new-covid-19-support-package

[6:02 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/seeking-a-pill-to-cure-covid-19-drugmakers-eye-alternative-to-vaccines                                                                                                                                         Promising oral drug to cure covid-19 - coming out. Alternative to vaccination.

[6:02 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Very promising oral treatment drugs by various pharmaceutical companies on the way.

- Merck

- Pfizer

- Roche

- Atea

2. All undergoing human trials showing very promising results.

3. They are oral polymerase inhibitor - that prevent covid virus from replication.

4. Given when patients got infected.

5. Trials show that virus in the body are gone within 5 days.

6. If successful, covid-19 become bad cold that can be treated by oral drugs.

[6:02 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. Covid virus not able to cause damage to human organs - as oral polymerase inhibitor prevent covid virus from replication.

[6:05 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

8. However, vaccination as the foundation of protection for everyone is necessary.

9. Relying on such oral polymerase inhibitor pill - when infected - though can heal - could also cause harm to our organs if the infection is asymptomatic - and if not detected early.

[6:20 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Thus if covid-19 is endemic - that's it will stay in this world for good - and not going away like any seasonal common flu or common cold - and will flare up time and again :-

- Mandatory vaccination will be the most likely option that the government has to consider.

- Without mandatory vaccination, those unvaccinated people will get serious illness or even death - as vaccination give protection to vaccinated people and build up their immune system.

2. Opening up our borders and economy will be inevitable - for our economy to recover and revive business and people's jobs.

3. Promising oral polymerase inhibitor pill - will be on our radar after human trials are over - and if effective - will become our treatment drugs against covid-19.

4. Then we truly can go back to pre-covid state - and relive our normal lives.

[6:35 pm, 28/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. To summarize:-

- we cannot solely rely on vaccination alone - but mandatory vaccination as the foundation for protection is required for everyone. 

Without the vaccine protection - the person if infected with covid-19 can fall very sick or even death.

- we need treatment drugs for covid-19.

The current ongoing human trials for oral polymerase inhibitor pill develop by few pharmaceutical companies looks very promising.

6. With both vaccination and treatment drugs complementing one another - Singapore can safely and confidently prepare ourselves for the covid endemic - without having to take drastic lockdown measures.

7. In endemic stage, we will just treat covid-19 as any harmless seasonal flu - provided mandatory vaccination is enforced on everyone and oral polymerase inhibitor pill are ready.

[6:47 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[6:50 pm, 28/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan

[7:01 pm, 28/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

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 【禅】

  

【禅】 

1、智者不锐，慧者不傲，谋者不露，强者不暴。

2、身做好事，言说好话，心存好念。

3、大悲无泪，大悟无言，大喜无声，大爱无言。

4、君子 随方就圆，无处不自在。

5、示弱而不逞强，示拙而不逞能。缘来要惜，缘尽就放。

6、忍人之所不能忍，方能为人之所不能为。

7.   遇事先沉心。静中自得悟 。

8.   淡定于心。从容于行。 没欲则刚。

禅有何精髓？ 

色既是空，空即是色。

虚中有实，实中有虚。

虚虚实实，实实虚虚。 

能分虚实，方为禅师。 

禅有何获益？ 

有心栽花花不发。  

无心插柳柳成荫。  

如来智慧、般若智慧。

能知、能生。

见闻觉知。

能生万法。

不动气秘笈

别人气我，我不气。

自己生气，伤身体。

若是动怒，中他计。

清心冷静，最适宜。

见招拆招，登峰造极。

内观法 （4  观禅）

观身不净。

观受是苦。

观心无常。

观法无我。

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 *Vesak Day (卫塞节）*

26 May 2021

*开示 - 1 - 学佛*

俩个 徒弟跪在祖师面前。

祖师问徒弟 1 - 你为何要学佛？

徒弟 1 说 - 我的师父要我向你学佛。

祖师用手上戒尺打徒弟 1 手臂。

祖师再问徒弟 1 - 你自己没主见吗？

徒弟 1 又说 - 我自己要学佛。

祖师又用手上戒尺再打徒弟 1 手臂。

徒弟 1 很无辜的看着祖师 - 但没有跑掉。

祖师点头说 - 很好 - 打你也不跑。我收你学佛。

祖师问徒弟 达摩 - 你为何要学佛？

达摩 说 - 我学佛之心非常坚定。无论任何障碍， 我也不会动摇。

祖师点头说 - 很好 - 我收你为徒。

Discourse 2 - Mindfulness (Staying at the present moment) （活在当下）

My Son - Got distracted and thought he did not pay for his meal - while I say you have already paid.

I say - Did you not practice Mindfulness meditaion? If you have you will be mindful - and will stay at the present moment)（活在当下）. 

Then you will be very focus in every thought, speech and action (staying at the present moment) - and will not get distracted - and you will do no wrong --- because you are mindful at every moment.

My Son say - I did not see progress when observing my breath in and breath out in meditation, that is why I feel discouraged. 

(My Son is an engineer and want scientific method to measure his progress).

I say - Then I will teach you a scientific method to practise your meditation (Anapanasati meditation - Mindfulness meditation of the breath and Satipathana meditation - 4 Foundation Mindfulness)

1. Observe your breath in and breath out --- then Count 1.

2. Continue counting until 10. (Breath meditation)

3. If you get distracted by stray thoughts, sounds, pain etc --- draw your mindfulness of the phenomenon - and then pull back to your breath and continue counting).

4. If you successfully count group of 10 say 50 times in 15 minutes meditation or group of 10 say 100 times in 30 minutes in meditation.

Then you have "very good mindfulness and concentration in meditation".

5. Next meditation if your group of 10 count increase to say 51 times in 15 minutes meditation --- then you have progress in Mindfulness and Concentration.

6. This is a scientific method to measure your progress in meditation.

7. Resolve in meditation for 15 minutes or 30 minutes every day --- is a measure of determination (like need to eat lunch and dinner everyday).

8. Scientific measurement of progress in meditaiton - is by how many group of 10 count in breath meditation.

9. Breath meditation is (Staying at the present moment) （活在当下）.

My Son say - I will use this "Scientific method" - to measure my progress in meditation.

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内观法 （4  观禅）

观身不净。

观受是苦。

观心无常。

观法无我。

REACH 235 - With community cases on the rise, how are you adapting (SK)

24 May 2021 (11am - 7pm)

REACH

[9:56 am, 24/05/2021] +REACH: Dear contributors,

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[10:00 am, 24/05/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

It has been a week since Singapore tightened our COVID-19 safety measures on 16 May, including banning dining in and restricting social gatherings. In addition, the Government ramped up testing and surveillance so as to detect and isolate COVID-19 cases early. 

💬 How are you adapting to the tightened COVID-19 measures? What are your views on Singapore’s response in tackling the COVID-19 community cases?

Speaking at a virtual event on Saturday (22 May), Minister of Health Mr Ong Ye Kung said that the number of coronavirus cases here was stabilising, with around about 20 to 30 cases a day since the heightened measures were introduced. However, Mr Ong cautioned that “We still have to watch for a few more days before we know which direction the cases are heading. But also continue to do our part, so that we can suppress it".

Over the weekend, two infections were detected after residents living at Block 506 Hougang Ave 8 underwent a mandatory COVID-19 test, after some residents were found to have tested positive for COVID-19. Residents living at Blk 559 Pasir Ris St 51 will also undergo a mandatory COVID-19 test from 24 - 25 May. 

Mr Ong also said in a Facebook Post that close to 80 per cent of recent cases involve those who have not been vaccinated. Many of the vaccinated COVID-19 cases are front-line workers.

In addition, MOH announced that Jem and Westgate would be closed for two weeks for deep cleaning, after investigations found that there is likely transmission among visitors to the malls. The closure aims to break any potential chain of transmission.

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-cases-in-spore-have-not-spiked-due-to-stricter-restrictions-ong-ye-kung

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/disinfection-underway-at-jem-westgate-on-first-day-of-two-week-closure

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/80-of-cases-in-current-outbreak-not-vaccinated

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ring-fencing-intensified-to-avoid-a-second-circuit-breaker

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[10:16 am, 24/05/2021] +65 9830 3652: Sound and tailored preemptive steps had been prescribed. Let's see the data on the trend before deciding on next steps

[10:17 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: The Hougang cases, an engineer friend said it might because of aircon. He said it is an old building. The aircon main body sits in somewhere like a cabinet in the bedroom. When aircon does ventilation,  it may cause the infection. Maybe this can be a clue to investigate. Lift can not pick same floor unit to infect right.

[10:18 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: still see people not wearing mask properly, youths at skate parks do not observed 1 meter safe distance.

[10:19 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: What are your views on Singapore’s response in tackling the COVID-19 community cases?

1) Singapore reactive plans are very good and 2020 had proven itself when the world luff at us for locking in - no doubt it was good

[10:19 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: 2) but we became complacent - > took the gamble with the air borders

[10:21 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: even the public felt more can be done here, before anyone say Border shut again READ PLEASE NO ONE IS ASKING BORDERS TO BE SHUT, instead the public hope we can reactively close flights to high risk countries (exception for citizen and prs)

[10:21 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: just like how hk did to us .. flights found with covid ban for 2 weeks......

[10:21 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: For the tightened measures, I'm sure everyone is coping well. In fact, I think we have it too good in some aspects. Still see people clustering out doors (not might not be related, just that too many people).

Everyday I see new clusters popping up and it's really a cause for concern. I'm sure this is eventually taper down but from what I feel, it's going to get worse after Jun school holidays when people bring their kids out. My 2.14 cents.

[10:22 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: or like germany ban flights from uk once they noted the b1617 trend is going up

[10:22 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: why want to gamble the society stability -> look is this current situation worth it

[10:24 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: society is handicapp / cag closed / malls closed / hospital, school, airport , housing flats clustered / govt to throw in subsidy from health sector to transport to malls / lost of 2 big events ...... is it worth it to risk just to have high risk countries pax in ......

[10:25 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: 👍

[10:26 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is an invisible agent we fighting here and frankly globally there is no concreate report on the characterisictis of this agent C19 AND ITS COUSIN so why are we taking chances when we was able to fend off the worst with Phase1 2020. we were soooo closed to make to normal , a good 70% society back in business , safe environment .....

[10:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: eveyone was able to do their business but certain sector have to slow down abit due to risk of well import of man pwer

[10:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: What are your views on Singapore’s response in tackling the COVID-19 community cases?    I look at other parts of the world and can't decide if we are now being too cautious. A handful of cases - are people getting seriously ill from them? What are our ICU and hospitalisation numbers like? We can't eradicate this virus, just as we can't with flu, which is also deadly to some.

[10:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Jem and Westgate to close from Sunday to June 6, 10 recent Covid-19 cases linked to both malls

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/jem-and-westgate-to-close-from-sunday-to-june-6-10-recent-covid-19-cases-linked-to

[10:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: All the mega mall close

[10:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Seems like Tracetogether is not foolproof.

[10:30 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: 2 huge malls close for 2 weeks each because of 10 cases? What % of visitors was that? The loss of business is huge, and while TT is here to combat the spread, do we really need to close Malls for 2 weeks?

[10:31 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: What is Singapore's end game here? No cases for a month, 2 months? I do agree with being cautious and we can't allow the virus to spread out of control. Why not just CB for 2 weeks then? Otherwise we are just playing whack-a-mole and it'll not end until we are all vaccinated by 2022...

[10:38 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: How much will be the cost for air-conditioned mall to do a deep cleaning daily? Before malls open. Is it feasible?

[10:39 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: And how about airport terminals deep clean daily? Take turn to open different terminals where one is being cleaned.

[10:39 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I still find it hard to be believe that covid is so contagious that it has become airborne

[10:41 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: It is. Definitely

[10:41 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I know it is just finding it hard to swallow it’s now airborne 🤣

[10:44 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Ah Fan is touching in perhaps 1 GAP for potential airborne spread of diseases.... AIRCON...

One step more, MRT stations that are enclosed should also be on this high alert areas.

Second, what's the frequency of CLEANING these aircon system? Chemical washing? Or other better efforts?

[10:44 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Are we looking at doing serology tests for those who were previously infected but now recoved? Maybe useful to help know who to prioritise for vaccinations, and then how vulnerable the community is. We may find a large number of people now have natural immunity.

[10:44 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: I mean doing the serology test to identify those previously infected but now recoved.

[10:46 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: MRT and buses

[10:47 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: "SPACE"

CONFINED vs OPEN

These are gaps of transition for diseases!

[10:48 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Perhaps

Taxis and private hires should LOWERED all windows during their JOURNEYS AND TRIPS....

[10:50 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Key is VENTILATION....

[10:50 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Airport MAIN entrance be FULLY OPEN

[10:57 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: Good idea! We should enforce this.

[10:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: since when it is not airborne? tot in 2020 it was stated as airborne?

[10:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: not officially from WHO and MOH

[10:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: taxi are allowed but i sthe pax that do not allowed ... scare hot .. warm

[10:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: think WHO did mentioned do a search ,

[10:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: anyway if not airborn why wear mask right

[10:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Do we have any evidence to show this is a problem?

[10:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: dun tell me is to prevent the silvia from jump out stupid reason there

[11:00 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/05/04/who-coronavirus-airborne/?sh=1070d05c4472

[11:00 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: you're wrong bro

[11:00 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: just this year

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: nono last yeah there is a mentioned

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: u see your title ....

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: finally .. it's too late

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: there is a mentioned .......

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103601/singapore-coronavirus-active-cases-breakdown/

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is just not strong emphsis

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: mentioned doesn't mean official

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: As of May 16 there were just 2 people on ICU.

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: pls find the article

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like the after effects of c19 is never strong emphsis globally

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: where is your source?

[11:01 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: and 200 in Hospital

[11:02 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: my source is internet read lah

[11:03 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: show me the link

[11:04 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i told you is from 2020

[11:04 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: can u go search

[11:05 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if you think i am not valid den so be it

[11:05 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: after all u got the latest link fromforbes stating is too late

[11:05 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: can't find

[11:08 am, 24/05/2021] +Valli: Agree

[11:08 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: can't find can't dinf lor

[11:09 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Although I might get hated for this, can I suggest the Ministry to continue the no dine-in until after Jun holidays?

[11:09 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I worry about more tranmission if allow dine-in since the virus is airborne.

[11:09 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: or 2 pax can dine-in as a grp?

[11:09 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: or outdoor dinning is allow

[11:09 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: air-con not allow

[11:10 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: since can exercise, outdoor but not indoor

[11:11 am, 24/05/2021] +REACH: COVID-19 breath test gets provisional authorisation in Singapore, to undergo trial at land checkpoint

A locally developed COVID-19 breath test that can generate results within one minute has received provisional authorisation from Singapore’s Health Sciences Authority (HSA). The breath test system underwent clinical trials at three locations between June 2020 and April this year.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-breath-test-breathonix-hsa-trial-land-checkpoint-14874824

[11:12 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in fact no need find also can see the rate of infacetion is soo fast that if not via airborne den by wat physical meh ...

[11:15 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: monologue again?

[11:15 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: lol

[11:17 am, 24/05/2021] +Valli: Jem Westgate is a hotspot, crowded as it link up to MRT, IMM, NGTF hospital. 

Should look into how to redirect the crowd, create an alternative route for bypassing, if possible.

[11:18 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: any thing as long as you self entertainment happy can liao...

[11:19 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: i'm happy thanks lol

[11:24 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: If someone is vaccinated and has a negative test, why can't they dine in?

[11:25 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Singapore needs to start focusing on how to have a normal life and live with Covid. We can't shut the country down when 30% are vaccinated already.

[11:25 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Another 10% might have natural immunity - we don't know.

[11:26 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: We need to look at measures to allow normality while not putting people are risk.

[11:26 am, 24/05/2021] +Ken: Many jobs are lost haiz

[11:26 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: It feels like we are approaching this based on weakest link. If 1 person might get ill then everyone has to stay home.

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Ken: Tourism dead, airline half dead, KTV dead, retail semi dead. 🤦🏻

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Let's  look after the vulnerable but try to open up as much as possible.

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yes

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: No one is safe until everyone is safe

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Enable easy access to testing, so people can check they are not infectious.

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Unless the eatery has onsite swab test

[11:27 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: we were in a good condition

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Or the new breath test maybe?

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Ken: Can’t we just vaccinated and then let Covid go through the population.. atleast it is less deadly. 

😥 if not there is no end to it 🤦🏻

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but the risk assessment was not heed and gamble was taken against it

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yes that too

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Which is impossible really.

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: now we paid for the price....

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Cos one bad egg can make the whole tray all rotten

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: We don't take these measure against the flu each year, which is also a deadly virus.

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: like mentioned earlier ur reactive process is good

[11:28 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: am sure in the next 2 weeks we can better and much control the situation

[11:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: after that what gamble again ...

[11:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, what is the plan for after this mini CB?

[11:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: den cycle repeat itself?

[11:29 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Or just the same....? Do we have a new revised approach?

[11:31 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: details plans ask the brains up there which am sure not 100% will be made known, watever can be made kown is already open into press

[11:32 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: 2) are there further gambles going to be made while listening to the ground ...

[11:33 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/malaysia-muhyiddin-yassin-covid19-mco-interview-economy-safety-14869452

[11:33 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: 3) how much MORE from the bank we going to draw .. is there a limit to call for stop (this one no need let public know any one will be able to think of this)

[11:33 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: 4) till date we are finghting still with people who treat this whole crisis as a joke not following the basic of masking up

[11:35 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: One purpose of these community BLITZ swapping exercises are to QUANTIFY and QUALIFY to derive a model of infection, variant and rate of penetration. It would be of better accuracy if this exercise can be completed within 14 days or shorter! It is a RACE against time, time is of the utmost essence!

[11:36 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: They may still be infected even they are full vaccinated.

[11:37 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: This big data samples will give the decision makers (inter-ministries) a better hand in planning for example MEDICAL resources such as sick beds, vaccines, masks and PPEs, medical staffs, targeted and selective CBs and etc. The idea is to come up with a list of things that are CRUCIALS as well as relooking at the essentials from each Ministry (too many essentials are counter- productive) for a country and economy to continue with minimal disruption (destruction) to lives and livelihoods!

[11:38 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: negative test and vaccinated? Yes maybe, so we should all stay home forever then?

[11:40 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Obviously I don't mean that literally, but the point is that we cannot hide from this forever. It needs to be managed and yes some people will fall ill (just as they do with other viruses), but once serious illnesses are very rare, and all reasonable precautions are taken - then we should open up.

[11:41 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: It would be good to know the Gov position on this - what is the aim? what do they consider reasonable? Not right now clearly, but when?

[11:41 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: negative test result is when he is tested, unless we can test at restaurants. Let us so due to poor ventilation in the restaurant, he may still be infected. Open space dining should be fine.

[11:42 am, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not really if the air is still type

[11:42 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: All Outdoors activities should be fine

[11:43 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Maybe people who feel vulnerable can stay home and not see anyone.  People who are recovered and/or vaccinated can be a little freer to go out?

[11:44 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: If I ran a restaurant and all my staff are vaccinated, why can't I open to guests who are also vaccinated? The chance of spread is negligent.

[11:45 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: If we can't allow vaccinated people to meet other vaccinated people then who do we ever open up?

[11:45 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: *how?

[11:46 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: And then what's the point of vaccination if it doesn't change anything?

[11:47 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: RANGE - "the length and depth of solving challenges... "

Going forward into 2022, we need a unified approach with a range of tools to activate a cluster CB, targeted area of CB and last resort a full CB, as and when the covid situation evolves to a medically /socially /economically undesirable level. Thus we need to come up a set of MATRIXES to qualify and quantify a foreseeable or an unforeseeable scenario.

Given this civid is a moving goalpost, to match this continuously changing covid challenges. We need range, range of procedures, perimeters and positionings. Gathering of resources is an advantage to an extend of using what one's have in hand to the FULLEST use.

[11:48 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: May not be fair to that who can't get jab due to medical issues or 40 years old and below where it's not available to them yet.

[11:48 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: Meet at nearby park for the time being?  Little risk with proper social distancing, for all

[11:49 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: True - also not fair to people who are vaccinated to keep them home. Also not fair some people get covid and others don't. Life isn't fair, we just have to do the best we can for as many people as we can.

[11:49 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: We aren't even allowed to do that.

[11:52 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Ben's good pointers to think about...

Private space vs Public space

[11:53 am, 24/05/2021] +An fan: You see the Hougang cases, one of them is security guard at airport, definitely vaccinated right? Still be infected and infected others. Correct me if I am wrong

[11:54 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Yes it will happen. I wonder how many other vaccinated people were infected and how serious any of the cases were. Just a fever for a day or two?

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: The point is that we cannot expect this to go away completely, and if we wait for that it will be years unless we keep our borders closed

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: So we need to adjust and accept there will be cases.

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Ya loe

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Lor

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Like flu bug

[11:55 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: And dengue

[11:56 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Dengue can have lockdown? Then stop?

[11:56 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: https://www.healthhub.sg/live-healthy/869/doctor-i-have-flu#:~:text=In%20Singapore%2C%20influenza%2Dassociated%20hospitalisation,about%201500%20hospitalisations%20per%20year.

[11:56 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Over 100 people per month hospitalised for Flu

[11:56 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Is a MOVING GOALPOST...

Just when one secured the garden flame, next comes another...

[11:56 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: That's way more than Covid

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Then car accident lei

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Lock down also?

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: They are not contagious lol

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: But the death rate

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Again, Ben is INVESTIGATING DEEPEP...very good! 

Chicken vs Eggs

[11:57 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: But yes, it's a fair point. We can't stop everything that is a public health problem

[11:58 am, 24/05/2021] +Ben: 6 people a day die from Smoking, but we don't ban it: https://www.healthhub.sg/live-healthy/597/questions_smoking#:~:text=In%20Singapore%3A,are%20the%20nation's%20top%20killers.

[11:59 am, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: I think the key issue is ppl become complacent and rotten apple spoiling market

[0:00 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: If ppl are disciplined and follow the regulations don’t think this will occur

[0:02 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: VJC had no aircon. Virus was blown away by fan. No school infection. Learning point, the air is polluted, social distancing and masks can not help much.

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: The TTSH male nurse , full vaccinated,was infected and infected his family members

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Alvin great point....

DISCIPLINE and personal HYGIENE, can we hurrily encourage and rehabit a given population to be better? 

Yes, it takes time! Time happens to be a very expensive variable these days....

[0:04 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Regardless of calculated models, geniuses on occasions are not fool proof! Over time and history when the world looks back, then one can verify lapses or successes. Meantime, it will be a fair game to all, the "rights" and "wrongs"... !

[0:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Given a perimeter, all things lying outside of this space are the WHAT IF and the unintended consequences. Therefore it is paramount to continuously investigate outside of this SECURED perimeters in order to minimise any miscalculated steps before it mushrooms into a larger bloom. 

Simply, nothing is bulletproof when dealing with this evolving organic pathogen-covid 19!

[0:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Perimeter can be one's home, office, community, public transport system, markets (confined or open ) schools,.... Etc lastly our Singapore!

[0:08 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: ALL FOR ONE... 

ONE FOR ALL...

[0:13 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

The community cases is in downward trajectory though the community cases remain high.

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/two-covid-19-shots-effective-against-india-variant-14867452                                                                                                                                                   England study shows that 2 jabs Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has high efficacy against B1617 double mutants - 88% efficacy.

[0:15 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-effectiveness-moh-ong-ye-kung-14869342

300 unvaccinated COVID-19 cases in current outbreak vs 78 vaccinated: Ong Ye Kung

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-safe-efficacious-for-those-aged-12-to-15-says-expert                                                                                                                          Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is currently the only vaccine approved by HSA for Singapore aged 12 to 15 years old.                                                                                                                                             mRNA don't alter DNA.

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: "Putting this "TRAVEL BUBBLE" idea into use... "

HOW CAN WE BETTER AND IMPLEMENT OUR INTERNAL TRAVEL BUBBLE? 

770 Sqkm, that's our perimeter 

Six broad initiatives that I  summerised:

1) TT initiatives 

2) Mandatory Maskings 

3) Social Distancing 

4) Partial physical workforce 

5) Deliveries of goods and foods 

6) Cancelling of Non essential activities

Can we ALL brainstorm to RELOOK where are the unseen or missed CRACKS AND GAPS that need to be CLOSED UP, soonest! 

What are the SOCIAL, PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND ECONOMICS implications and unintended outcomes?

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/israel-end-covid-19-restrictions-182705364.html

Israel open border for some foreign tourists.

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-testing-value-shrinks-vaccines-121435423.html

US vaccines beat back virus and value of covid test shrink.

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Referring to the Bukit Ho Swee fire in the 1960s...

What were the lessons?

Infrastructures and building materials were not READY to meet the big flames.

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-uk-15-virus-cases-events-attended-by-60-000-14860544          

UK control experimentation of big opening up with mass vaccination and many without mask.

It shows that only 15 virus cases out of 60,000 people.

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Similar stories in US

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: A happy problem, a LONE burger store at the corner of 5th avenue, waiting for the big footwork to happen soonest...

You maybe ready happy, others not so yet...

One is clever while others are smart too...

[0:36 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/-vaccines-are-satanic---bolivia-battles-fake-news-in-inoculation-drive-14852746                                                                                                   Anti-vaxx group in Bolivia spreading vaccine misinformation - that threaten Bolivia vaccination drives, public safety and economic recovery.

[0:36 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/latin-america-and-caribbean-surpass-million-covid-19-deaths-14861956                                                                                                                             Latin America only has 3% vaccinated - and is seeing million of covid death and multiple millions of infection.

[0:40 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: Something aside. I felt that this pandemic shows up a lot of xenophobia in our people and fortunately only a minority. Unfortunately, opposition has been feeding to this xenophobia even before this pandemic and to frighten , cause class envy to ultimately to win votes through this way.  It is a quiet cancer to our fabric as multi-cultural identity and need to nib this soon. I think it is high time we throw the book at those promoting xenophobia, call out the opposition party to debate on CECCA in parliament as what our Minister challenge them recently. The announcement by Ministries that flight has been banned by India since March was met with accusation of lying on the ground. We should call out the opposition to bring this up in parliament and repeat this accusation, if true, it will be gold mine for them and prove they are speaking up. Quite tired of the whispering campaign on the ground  and it is a quite cancer that erode the trust in the institution on long term. LKW, would confront his headon and call them out. Our Government may like to be consultative but do not behave like a big customer service department which they are not . They are to govern and call out forcefully .

[0:42 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: *LKY

[1:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Firstly I do not think this is all xenophobia, I think the concern was more from a safety perspective  since the new variants and case are coming from India, whether measures are in place to screen or temporarily halt inflows. Direct Flights were banned but many skipped it through going through transit countries

[1:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Incidentally this are also countries with raging infections now

[1:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Also the terminal and areas for High risk arrivals should be separated earlier

[1:06 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: All these measures are no xenophobic. We should do this to all countries who show high risk or have infectious variants

[1:06 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Mixing it up with xenophobia is just muddying the waters and I wonder if it fits a certain narrative

[1:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Same with the linking this with oppositon

[1:07 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/japan-osaka-covid-19-wave-hospital-icu-medical-system-collapse-14874362

High vaccination hesitancy, low vaccination rates, led to Osaka hospital overwhelm and large infection.

[1:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Their are some crazy fringe groups but not all opposition are like this.  I don't believe wp and spp expressed any xenophobic views.  Private Singh himself is indian

[1:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Pritam

[1:08 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Why would be xenophobic against himself ?

[1:09 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: This is not the time to stir politics . It's a national crises and all responsible parties are united in this

[1:09 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Though this doesn't mean blind following without accountability  and questioning

[1:10 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: As Tommy koh said，Singapore needs its loving critics

[1:12 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: It’s ok with critics but once attacking institutions and erosion of trust is another altogether

[1:13 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: They are always fringe pple but majority are not like this

[1:13 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: It was reported that mental illness is on the rise

[1:14 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: It’s not so much of opposition leaders propagating the narrative but their supporters they need to control and educate. Sometimes we have to throw the book at them if overboard

[1:15 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: I am sure the leaders know, we just have to call them out like CECCA

[1:16 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: What does ceca mean?

[1:17 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: Gahmen already has Pofma to this liao

[1:17 pm, 24/05/2021] +Fulgrim: It should be working right?

[1:20 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-breath-test-breathonix-hsa-trial-land-checkpoint-14874824                                                                                                                         Making covid test less daunting.

[1:20 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) between Singapore and India. This has been a cudgel used every election and the fundamental reason for xenophobia. POFMA is only correction of fake news but do not address the basis of issue

[1:20 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: agree and do not understand why ppl wanna stir shit at this hour ......

[1:25 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: Agree this is not the time. But unfortunately, there are people stirring big time ever since the variant hit us.

[1:26 pm, 24/05/2021] +Thomas: Politically, need to address it or allow it to fester

[1:28 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. We can't keep our border close perpetually - because Singapore Economy is very dependent on opening our borders with overseas Countries - for trade, tourism, workers, investment, MICE etc.

2. India and China has population more than 1.4 billion people - our largest export market, source for workers (in jobs that Singaporeans are not doing), investment, tourists etc.

3. We can see that the moment we close our border now to India, no more construction workers can come in --- and many of our construction projects stall - because we don't have enough Indian workers.

4. Thus the long term solution - is mass vaccination to achieve herd immunity for our population. 

Eventually, once this is done, we need to open our borders to India - as we need their construction workers --- else our Construction sector is in doldrum.

[1:33 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. By going automation can help to improve the Construction sector - but will still need skilled construction workers to operate it.

6. Straits Times reported that most HDB projects are automated, where many units (which are identical) - can be moulded by automation.

7. But landed properties, condo with different design, MRT projects, and other infrastructure projects - cannot be automated like HDB flats and need skilled construction workers - which India has many of these trained construction workers.

8. It is too simplistic to assume that automation can be dispensed with Indian construction workers - and we can close our borders perpetually from India.

[1:34 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/skilled-workers-hard-to-replace-despite-technology-advances-in-construction-sector

[1:39 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Wuhan lab staff sought hospital care before COVID-19 outbreak disclosed: Report https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-origins-wuhan-lab-staff-treatment-illness-flu-14873524#.YKs76gj6x5I.whatsapp

[1:39 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

9. 12 mega construction projects in Singapore have to be delayed - because of shortage of Indian construction workers.

10. With the exception of 2 strategic projects - Tuas port and Deep Tunnel Seweage System - where our new port must go ahead and our water recycling system cannot be delayed.

11. Many private construction projects that are stalled are not mentioned in the news articles.

12. Going forward, such closing of borders to construction workers - will cause our construction sector into a downward trajectory --- and many of our construction companies may not be able to survive.

---

[1:53 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: Danny has a good point...

Strategic projects

CRUCIALS vs ESSENTIALS

[2:03 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: A matrix building block:

CRUCIALS 

Essentials

Non essentials

Insignificants

Four quadrants, assumption is that these variables are subject to constant evaluations and evolving too..

The idea of HERO becoming a ZERO...importantly we "PLAY TO WIN... "

"... this covid is a moving goalpost"

[2:36 pm, 24/05/2021] +REACH: 11 firms fined for not ensuring work-from-home as default arrangement; authorities to increase workplace inspections

Eleven companies have been fined for failing to ensure work-from-home as a default arrangement for employees who are able to do so, said the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) and Ministry of Trade and Industry (MTI) on Monday (May 24).

The penalised companies were among more than 530 workplaces inspected between May 8 and May 21, the ministries said in a press release.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/firms-fined-work-from-home-default-covid-19-workplace-inspection-14875588

[2:37 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: goooddddd also check work places in CBD please many are ignoring the safe distancing measure recommendation ... these are the hero who think they are safe in their own envrionment whole forgetting these are "public" places....

[2:37 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: so while authorities try to curb the left, the right is doing other wise

[2:38 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: and possibility the cycle will once again repeat when left is ok while right is being check

[2:41 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: In my opinion, the Govt should adopt more stringent measures when dealing with incoming travalers as this will allow us to eventually relax internal/domestic measures. Australia and China are perfect examples. 

Require ALL incoming/returning travelers to serve at least 21 days (or more?) of Quarantine in a dedicated facility with regular testing before allowing the individuals to return to the community.

Doing so allows us to ring-fence our healthy/uninfected community from potential external/imported infections. With the community free of the virus, we may even be able to lift most, if not all, restrictions so there is less disruptions to the majority. Sure, international travel, for business, we be disrupted, but businesses will adapt. This may be the pe…

[2:41 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://mothership.sg/2021/05/companies-fined-not-wfh-default/

[2:43 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i like this statement for border controll ->

[2:43 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: We are not Xenophobic....but we have to be Corona-phobic ... and stopping the VIRUS at our front door may be the only way forward.

[2:43 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: others will find reason to play race and whatever xeno causes we have to refute that cos anything can fall into such argument but the common enemy is C19 AND its cousin

[2:45 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Just want to reiterate/qualify that statement .. i don't mean lock/close our borders ... I saying, let them in, BUT make sure to quarantine and ensure virus-free, then release

[2:46 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: again no one is saying we must lock up noooo u are saying please screen and take appropriate measure , me  earlier also said we have to be reactive to take measure like temp blocking flight from high risk countries other countries too do that)

[2:46 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Unlike many countries, Singapore actually require an open economy with free movement of goods and services to survive ... we are not Australia, China, US etc ... which has sufficient resources to endure extended periods of isolation from everyone else

[2:47 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: dun use this ....

[2:47 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: whatever reason there is the aim is stop possible breech of the defense line we built ...

[2:47 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: simple

[2:48 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Change of topic, but I was shocked to read this. https://coconuts.co/singapore/news/suspect-arrested-in-gut-wrenching-singapore-train-attack-no-one-tried-to-stop-video/

[2:48 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: we can talk till the cows fly no many will still not understand ......

[2:48 pm, 24/05/2021] +Kevinn Wang: will come out with this reason , economy reason, well my input had been given from the start ....

[2:54 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: I wonder if the law can do anything if the victim is too afraid to press charges.

[2:55 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Victim don't have to press charge.

Police will press charge.

This is a criminal case.

[2:56 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: I assume this is a criminal offense so doesn't need a civilian to press charges?

[2:56 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: How abt the onlookers? Not doing anything.

[2:56 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Not sure I understand why no one on the train did anything? Have people become so scared and isolated from each other they would just sit and watch?

[2:57 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Not even press the alarm....

[2:57 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: #sgunited  ??

[2:57 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: People are so brazen nowadays becos we are so blasè.

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: thought the alarm is to e stop the train

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Not a proud moment for Singapore.

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: It alerts the authorities

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: If the onlookers cannot help, then dont take public transport.

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Remember when the Singaporean was attacked in London. People came to help.

[2:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Be prepared to help if one is in a public tpt.

[2:59 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Take the bag on the floor and throw on that bully.

[2:59 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: the G must say clearly that if passengers see fight, can press alarm, otherwise, kena fine how, so expensive

[3:00 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: I'd pay a fine, and I'm sure people would contribute. Sad if this was about money

[3:00 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Aiya. I m sure that can be taken into consideration.

[3:00 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Although odd no one intervened, at least it was filmed...

[3:01 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Presumably cctv on the carriage as well

[3:02 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: If cannot help, pls take Grab.

[3:02 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Hope the prosecution is successful, and he sees jail time.

[3:03 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: yes !

[3:04 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. One way to help is to shout "Police coming, police coming".

2. It may help.

3. Unless you are very sure you are strong enough to overcome the bully.

[3:04 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: if cannot run, cannot fight, body not fit, how to help, want to go in and get beaten? Video evidence lah

[3:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: number 3 is the key

[3:05 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If many people shout together, the effect could be a deterrence.

[3:06 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Just like in other countries.

[3:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: surely the guy already know SG pattern, sure take phone out to film one, but he also not scared, so why would he be scared to see police, he probably all ready to go in

[3:07 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Psychologically, it will have a deterrence effect.

[3:08 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: then if suay suay dont have how

[3:08 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Better than doing nothing.

[3:08 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: u man army trained, we woman not train for any fight at all leh

[3:09 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: where got do nothing, video mah

[3:09 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The best, crime experts should advice the public what to do under this circumstances.

[3:09 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: yes yes

[3:10 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

One person video is enough.

The rest can lend your throat to scare him.

Once I come across 2 gangs fighting, suddenly someone shout Police, Police - all scramble and run.

[3:11 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: On the train where that guy run to?

[3:11 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

At least he will stop

[3:11 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: That bully shd stay prison, not stay home.

[3:11 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: hide in bush shout police can lah, on train how to hide, later that guy come over, then si liao\

[3:12 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

He did run when the train stop in the next station.

[3:12 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Hopefully

[3:12 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Otherwise he might just go and whack the person who shout police police lol

[3:12 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Stay in prison and given few stroke of the rotan - then this is justice.

[3:13 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Psychologically as long as you don't join the fight - quite unlikely the bully will go around to pick fight.

[3:14 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because after a fight his stamina is drained and his mind is blank.

[3:15 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The surrounding hostile effect - will have a deterrence effect on him.

[3:16 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Hell with him.

[3:16 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Would be easier to help if you are in a group of fit/strong people ... otherwise might not be so easy. Anyone who has ever tried to restrain an enraged person would understand...

Also, if you help, be really careful not to accidentally hurt the fellow badly or worse, kill him, because you can be charged with a very serious offence even if it was to intervene or it is accidental.

The "safest" course of action may still be to record the incident, and then verbally try to intervene/tell the fellow to stop.

Especially if, aged or physically weak, I would advise against engaging the fellow  😓

[3:17 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Throw water at an enraged person.

[3:18 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't engage him physically if you are not strong enough to stop him.

Definitely he will retaliate.

But shout at him to stop or scared him with Police - may stop him.

[3:19 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: that's assuming he is not psychologically impaired 😰  there are actually a lot of people with unsound mind roaming the streets 😰

[3:20 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If that guy is mental - then tough luck.

[3:21 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: it seems to be true though, that most will run if they hear someone shout Police 😅

[3:21 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: safer to get SMRT to install speaker, and play pre-recorded message from Police when such things happen

[3:22 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: should be police and smrt working together on this for public safety, not ask the non combat trained public to put their safety at rish mah

[3:25 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: Heros like Ben, very few liao

[3:26 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Sorry to have to say this .. but my own experience with the SPF is that they best at "Taiji" ... after seeing video of the Little India Riot incident .. Collyer Quay high-on-drugs taser-immune guy incident.... my confidence level not particularly high 😅

[3:26 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: how many man still keep fit after NS

[3:27 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

NS teach us how to fight a war - not to fight gangster.

[3:27 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Anyway fighting will land you with black record.

[3:28 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: oh so u only want to shout Police ah. i thought if u are there, u will try to stop the man

[3:28 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Shout Police.

Not to join in the fight.

[3:29 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: there was no fight lah, more like just one man beating another man

[3:29 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Not necessarily need to resort to physical violence to stop the assault ... just as physical violence may not necessarily stop the assault as well 😅

[3:29 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If anyone join, then it become a fight.

[3:31 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: if got fishing net, or sports net or other nets can throw over the man? then try to restrain the man?

[3:31 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: maybe get sued

[3:31 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Throw water.

[3:31 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: throw water can stop him meh

[3:32 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Yes.

[3:32 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: why

[3:32 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Anger is fire. Water douse fire.

[3:33 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This guy is a trained fighter.

The way he uses his fist, elbow and knees are either muay Thai or MMA fighter.

Don't engage him physically.

[3:34 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Police need at least 3 or 4 well built man to overcome such trained fighter.

[3:34 pm, 24/05/2021] +Noraini: Learn Krav Maga.

[3:36 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Yes... come to think of it.. the lady who was seen running away... probably was rushing off after managing to secure a last minute booking of a Krav Maga crash course 😂

[3:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +Smiley face: I don't know much about muay, thai, mma, fishing nets or 5 policemen.

I do know there is no place for gangsterism nor Street fighting.

Suggest minimum 1 week jail and ONE stroke of the cane by our prison services.... to "cool" things down across areas of conflicts!

[4:04 pm, 24/05/2021] +Simon: Best help one can render in these situations is to alert the authorities and record the incident. We are not trained to intervene in a fight like this one.

[4:05 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: 👍

[4:49 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: https://www.cingta.com/detail/17175

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: Malls’ washroom

[4:52 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Train moving how to shout police 🚨

[4:53 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Agree he flips knife that it and goes amok like a rat caught in a corner. Worse

[4:54 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: wah, thanks for sharing, this is new info.  Always better to take more precautions than less

[4:54 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: If lady I will intervene. If that guy will need support from the rest of male passengers. If none.

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: They carry stun guns too

[4:58 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Haha sometimes anger is burning oil 🪔

[4:59 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Street fighters are experience. They may dig your eyes out. It's survival for them and and every day affair

[5:01 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: Our airport workers and officers should not share washrooms with passengers!

[5:01 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Yeah if rich and influencial person or break his chin or jaw 🤣🤣😅😅

[5:01 pm, 24/05/2021] +65 9690 0939: Changi Airport to segregate workers based on COVID-19 exposure risk

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-changi-airport-segregate-workers-vaccinated-risk-zones-14876198

Again, I'm surprised that this isn't already done. But better too late than never.

[5:02 pm, 24/05/2021] +An fan: Let our airport officers have locked washrooms for staff use only

[5:02 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: Muay Thai their shin are harden by training.

[5:05 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Trained fighter hardened their punch, kicks, elbows and knees by hitting sand bags 

They also trained to take hit and can endure pain 

The only way to beat a trained fighter is to strike his vital points and this may result in serious injuries or even death.

He may also know how to do the same to you.

Thus, is best to scare him then engage him in the fight.

[5:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +jimmy chew: I user to tell dog lovers to chain their big dogs. They obliged. One day this big size man pushed me to to Wall and say why so Kaypo. He said His dog is trained and asked me to mind my own business. Now I just take photo and report to the authorities. Let them fine him

[5:09 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: MOM, this is the time to be decisive and forceful. If you can make it MANDATORY for employers to give FDWs at least 1 day off per week, I don’t see why you can’t pass a temporary law during this critical period, to stop FDWs from roaming the streets on their off days and instead, place the burden on employers to enforce a “non-law”. 

While i have no problem encouraging my FDW to stay home because she has been with our family for over 10 yrs and is equally terrified of catching CV19, I can imagine there are many others who don’t enjoy this same privilege. 

If you have been keeping an ear close to the ground, you would probably be aware that FDWs now have the upper hand when it comes to negotiations of employment terms due to the availability of replacement …

[5:09 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Take video and give it to police is needed to prosecute him later.

To stop his assault, using psychological fear could be a good method - as inherently, subconsciously - people are fearful of authority.

Anyway crime experts are best to advise the public the right way to do under such circumstances.

[5:10 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: yesterday I see, looks  ok lei.

[5:11 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Apologies for hijacking the conversation.. but the chat was closed last week right after this was posted. Think this is very important since community cases, some unlinked, are rising.

[5:11 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, agreed. Should be mandatory anyway really. Can't be right forcing someone to work 7 days a week without a break.

[5:15 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Of course must have day of rest. But during this period when everyone is on heightened alert due to the rising community cases, everyone has to do their part to minimise unnecessary outings. Making it mandatory to stay indoors, makes it easier for some employers who may otherwise face objection from their FDWs.

[5:21 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: To release a "strong advisory" creates unnecessary tension since the Employer may want to restrict their FDW's outings while their FDW is also right to want to exercise their right to go out since the law does not explicitly state otherwise. 

Would have been better if the Govt did not release the "Advsory" in my opinion.

[5:22 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Changi Airport workers to be segregated into risk-based zones; travellers from 'very high-risk' places to use T2 remote gates

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/airport-workers-to-be-segregated-into-risk-based-zones-take-more-frequent-tests-as-changi

We stand guided by the best advice," he added, noting that in the past, prolonged activity was seen as high risk. This has since changed, with any kind of activity in zones where workers interact with passengers regarded as risky.

[5:22 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: think will be more effective if domestic helper given $ from employer for staying home during off day during tighten measures period.  Employer to be funded by levy rebate

[5:23 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: MOH may got to use TT data and start ring fance

[5:23 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Public transport how?

[5:24 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Oh I see, employers are not letting the helper stay home? Isn't that bad for the helper and the employer?

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: I think we are all amazed this wasn't already happening.

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Ya lor

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Yes, how do they get to and from work?

[5:32 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: As in those covid positive cases and took public transport

[5:34 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Ahhh.. that's not what i mean 😅

MOM issued an "advisory" last week, to "strongly encourage" FDWs to stay home on their off days.

My point is, issuing this toothless advisory is meaningless since FDWs who are matured/sensible, would anyway ask to stay home on their days off or ask to cancel their weekly leave (and be paid for work) instead.

On the other hand, for FDWs who are taking the situation lightly, they would probably insist on exercising their right to go out on their legally mandated weekly off-day against their Employers' wishes/concern.

So, if the Govt is really concerned that FDWs mingling irresponsibly on their day offs is a potential threat during this period when community cases are rising, then they should make it explicit and enact a temporary law requiring FDWs to stay home even on their days off.

[5:36 pm, 24/05/2021] +Simon: Ah yes. Was a bit confused by ur earlier argument😅

[5:40 pm, 24/05/2021] +Stella Yip: u wanna just take away their right without giving them anything in return. how can. sounds so unfair. can give incentive for them to stay home. but will still be optional. cannot force.  they will think why employer can go out but i cannot. why maybe i bring covid home, employer also can bring covid home wat.

[5:42 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: Agreed - this is a bit odd. There is no where for anyone to go to, but none of us are mandated to stay home.

[5:45 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: If the Govt can force Employers to give FDWs a day off every week, permanently, regardless of the Employers' circumstances for hiring an FDW in the first place, I don't see why the Govt cannot now, pass a temporary law if necessary.

Besides, no one is saying don't pay your FDW for working. The current rule/law mandates that your FDW may choose to stay home on their days off, but they must be allowed to rest and not be made to do household chores etc.

[5:46 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: While MPs were fighting on the Reserve we have. Lol

[5:46 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: I think we are confused about the temporary law - forcing only FDWs to stay home while everyone else can go out?

[5:47 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: but it's ok for the FDW to go out during the week, just not on their day off?

[5:49 pm, 24/05/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Oh .. you are right.. it is a bit harsh mandate that our FDW cannot leave the house  😅  maybe too used to my FDW voluntarily staying home to rest in her room on some of her off days when she doesn't feel like going out 😅

[5:57 pm, 24/05/2021] +Ben: 👍

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Changi Airport workers to be segregated into risk-based zones

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/airport-workers-to-be-segregated-into-risk-based-zones-take-more-frequent-tests-as-changi

So is MOH going to fine CAG?

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: For not having SMM

[6:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: Never even split into 2 zones

[6:07 pm, 24/05/2021] +Caleb: As what MOM guidelines on having at least 2 work groups

[6:38 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-community-cluster-moh-may-24-unlinked-14874594

24 new community COVID-19 cases in Singapore, including 2 unlinked infections

[6:46 pm, 24/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[6:47 pm, 24/05/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan!

[6:51 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Channel 8 news say - the woman asking for badge - appear in court without mask.

[6:52 pm, 24/05/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

She is film without mask outside court.

[6:59 pm, 24/05/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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