AGC looking into Li Shengwu’s comments on Singapore court system
Mr Li Shengwu giving an eulogy at the funeral of Mr Lee Kuan Yew. (Photo: Screengrab via Prime Minister's Office/YouTube)
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Ricky Lim ·
As a public figure, one have to be careful with his word as it carry weight.
(1) In the 1st place, are those comments about the Courts "break the law" - which fall under "contempt of Court".
If the comments are true, then it will not have broken the law.
But if the comments are not true, then it will have the effects of eroding the confidence and integrity of the Court - in which Singapore rely on to administer justice.
(2) So does putting "privacy setting" - that circulate among a small group of friends suffice to be charged under "contempt of Court" if the comments are not true?
(3) Comments that circulate among a small group of friends - articulated by a public figure that carry weight -- will it has the effect of being pass on as "rumour" to a large wider public audience - that has the effect of eroding the justice system of Singapore --- and harm the larger public?
I think all these are the considerations that need to be taken into account.
(1) In the 1st place, are those comments about the Courts "break the law" - which fall under "contempt of Court".
If the comments are true, then it will not have broken the law.
But if the comments are not true, then it will have the effects of eroding the confidence and integrity of the Court - in which Singapore rely on to administer justice.
(2) So does putting "privacy setting" - that circulate among a small group of friends suffice to be charged under "contempt of Court" if the comments are not true?
(3) Comments that circulate among a small group of friends - articulated by a public figure that carry weight -- will it has the effect of being pass on as "rumour" to a large wider public audience - that has the effect of eroding the justice system of Singapore --- and harm the larger public?
I think all these are the considerations that need to be taken into account.
Ricky Lim ·
If the above are all true, then it will have a "termite effect" - of slowly but surely eroding the Government and the Justice System of Singapore.
No one is above the law, be careful with "words" especially it carry weight.
Remember, the Country, Singapore - does not only belong to you or your Father.
It belongs to all Singaporeans who all have stake in the Country.
It is not any person's playground - and wifully use any foolish speech, actions - to destroy the Nation and harm everyone in it.
No one is above the law, be careful with "words" especially it carry weight.
Remember, the Country, Singapore - does not only belong to you or your Father.
It belongs to all Singaporeans who all have stake in the Country.
It is not any person's playground - and wifully use any foolish speech, actions - to destroy the Nation and harm everyone in it.
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Ricky Lim ·
Remember, Singapore Judicial System is not only carrying local laws dealing with domestic affairs.
Singapore is also an International Arbitration and Mediation Centre.
It is important that our Judicial System cannot be smear and affect our International Reputation - which will not only affect social outcome, economic outcome, but also diplomatic and political outcome.
So he should consider issuing apologies if what he say is defamatory and remove the comment - this will be a mitigating factor.
Singapore is also an International Arbitration and Mediation Centre.
It is important that our Judicial System cannot be smear and affect our International Reputation - which will not only affect social outcome, economic outcome, but also diplomatic and political outcome.
So he should consider issuing apologies if what he say is defamatory and remove the comment - this will be a mitigating factor.
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Richard Kee ·
Ricky
Lim Well said. We have a supposedlyvery good educational system, but
many remarks we have read on this matter show a terrible lack of
thinking on the part of the commentators.
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Ricky Lim ·
There
are tendency for people to respond to event and get emotional - because
people could also be doing similar things when their negative emotional
streak strike.
Thus it is natural for people to stand and speak in similar vein - a natural self-defense mechanism in work.
But thinking deeper and cast the wisdom wider --- will people able to visualise and conceptualise - that the negative emotion will in fact hurt themselves?
They are living and operating in a larger environment - in which they are part of it.
Most of the time, they only look at themselves and the immediate events that surround them.
But they fail to look at the larger context - in which they are a part of it.
Destroying and damaging the larger context in which they are part of it - in fact destroy and damage themselves.
Why Mr Lee KY and the PAP is so great?
Because they have the Wisdom to see further things and the larger context in which they are a part of - and respond with the further vision in mind --- so that Singapore and Singaporeans will have a bright future.
We must protect this Wisdom.
Thus it is natural for people to stand and speak in similar vein - a natural self-defense mechanism in work.
But thinking deeper and cast the wisdom wider --- will people able to visualise and conceptualise - that the negative emotion will in fact hurt themselves?
They are living and operating in a larger environment - in which they are part of it.
Most of the time, they only look at themselves and the immediate events that surround them.
But they fail to look at the larger context - in which they are a part of it.
Destroying and damaging the larger context in which they are part of it - in fact destroy and damage themselves.
Why Mr Lee KY and the PAP is so great?
Because they have the Wisdom to see further things and the larger context in which they are a part of - and respond with the further vision in mind --- so that Singapore and Singaporeans will have a bright future.
We must protect this Wisdom.
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Ricky Lim ·
An example to illustrate the larger context in operation.
The geopolitical situation is changing dynamically and internal adjustment need to be make to respond positively to the larger geopolitical dynamics.
The Elected Presidency reservation for Malay candidate may seems "strange" to many by the count of "elected President".
But looking at the larger context, we need to amplify the sensitiveness of our multi-racial context, our physical location, the makeup of our neighbors - in responding with the geopolitical dynamics.
Singapore is not just "one race" and the makeup of the Governance should represent that - so that our sovereignty is safeguarded.
The geopolitical situation is changing dynamically and internal adjustment need to be make to respond positively to the larger geopolitical dynamics.
The Elected Presidency reservation for Malay candidate may seems "strange" to many by the count of "elected President".
But looking at the larger context, we need to amplify the sensitiveness of our multi-racial context, our physical location, the makeup of our neighbors - in responding with the geopolitical dynamics.
Singapore is not just "one race" and the makeup of the Governance should represent that - so that our sovereignty is safeguarded.
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Ricky Lim ·
Many people tends to respond to "one sole event" - but fail to see the dynamics of the larger context.
It is like seeing "one jig" in the jigsaw puzzle - and responding and jumping at the one jig --- but fail to see the whole jigsaw puzzle - the larger context.
It is like seeing "one jig" in the jigsaw puzzle - and responding and jumping at the one jig --- but fail to see the whole jigsaw puzzle - the larger context.
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Ricky Lim ·
One
core philosophy that will make Singapore ensure our surival, thriving
and continue prosperity with everchanging geopolitical dynamics is to
adopt the following principles:-
"Make friends with all and make no enemies".
"Forge mutual benefits with Win-Win outcome". -- This is protecting our National Interest while also accomodating the interests of others.
广结善缘。
善哉，善哉。
"Make friends with all and make no enemies".
"Forge mutual benefits with Win-Win outcome". -- This is protecting our National Interest while also accomodating the interests of others.
广结善缘。
善哉，善哉。
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Ricky Lim ·
Most
important thing --- we must respond to internal threat - that are done
wilfully, unintentionally, intentionally, done with ignorance ---- by
explaining, providing facts, educating, highlighting, communicating
(carrot approach) --- and for recalcitrant, stubborn, unyielding
(despite repeatedly given carrot) - may sometimes need to administer a
cane (stick approach) to teach a lesson --- if it harms the Nation and
the people as a whole.
Whether the stick is necessary will depend on whether people really repent and not wilfully repeating it again and again distracting everyone from many challenges ahead.
Whether the stick is necessary will depend on whether people really repent and not wilfully repeating it again and again distracting everyone from many challenges ahead.
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Jeff Phua
Ricky Lim. He did not and there's nothing to fear. Thanks for the reassurance.
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Ricky Lim ·
He should just concentrate on his studies or his work - and think of ways on how to contribute to the Nation.
Constructive comments to improve the system - is wholesome.
Destructive criticims to bring down the system - will harm the Nation.
Constructive comments to improve the system - is wholesome.
Destructive criticims to bring down the system - will harm the Nation.
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Ricky Lim ·
Imagine if a "credible source" constantly criticise a system - will become a "self-fulfilling prophecy".
No matter how good and reliable system is, it will discouraged and frighten off investors who are putting money here - and will bypass us and put it elsewhere.
This will cause damage and harm to Singapore and hurt Singaporeans - due to business loss, financial loss and translate into job loss.
So when will tolerance and patience snap - will depend on what harm it cause to the Nation - and when to put a stop to it.
No matter how good and reliable system is, it will discouraged and frighten off investors who are putting money here - and will bypass us and put it elsewhere.
This will cause damage and harm to Singapore and hurt Singaporeans - due to business loss, financial loss and translate into job loss.
So when will tolerance and patience snap - will depend on what harm it cause to the Nation - and when to put a stop to it.
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Ricky Lim ·
If AGC decide to charge him, that means there is a case against him.
If AGC decided there is no case, that means he did not.
Since this is reported in the news, as a public figure it will naturally attract attention - as a big hoo-haa was created earlier on - that draw in worldwide attention and escalate into a Parliament session dedicated into it.
If AGC decided there is no case, that means he did not.
Since this is reported in the news, as a public figure it will naturally attract attention - as a big hoo-haa was created earlier on - that draw in worldwide attention and escalate into a Parliament session dedicated into it.
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Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua -
It does not material what is written?
It is the "intent" that is material.
(1) Both his father and his aunt say that they will stop posting on the dispute in social media.
But he as a son to his father and his aunt - posted the link in the social media to a Wall Street Journal article on the family feud - which become a proxy to his father and his aunt of "breaking the truce".
Indeed, his posting has draw in his aunt into the social media and has broken the truce.
What he wrote about the dispute is not important - his "intent" has fuel the whole saga all over again and distract the Govt having to devote resources to deal with the matter all over again.
Whether he post it with "privacy setting" meant for a small group of friends or to the larger public domain is immaterial - as he broke the truce in proxy and has draw his aunt into the fray and now involve the public and the Govt institution.
(2) Both ChannelsNewAsia and Straits Times reported that he posted "critical comments on the Court" and AGC is looking into it.
Are you suggesting that both mainstream media are doing "false reporting" and suggest that both media should repeat "his statement - whether inflammatory or not" - while investigation is ongoing?
(3) You posted that everyone should apologise to him.
Are you suggesting that he has broken the truce and draw in his aunt, the Govt institution - the comments make on Court, AGC and now the public - and the public should apologise to him - when he started everything all over again?
Are you his proxy as well?
It does not material what is written?
It is the "intent" that is material.
(1) Both his father and his aunt say that they will stop posting on the dispute in social media.
But he as a son to his father and his aunt - posted the link in the social media to a Wall Street Journal article on the family feud - which become a proxy to his father and his aunt of "breaking the truce".
Indeed, his posting has draw in his aunt into the social media and has broken the truce.
What he wrote about the dispute is not important - his "intent" has fuel the whole saga all over again and distract the Govt having to devote resources to deal with the matter all over again.
Whether he post it with "privacy setting" meant for a small group of friends or to the larger public domain is immaterial - as he broke the truce in proxy and has draw his aunt into the fray and now involve the public and the Govt institution.
(2) Both ChannelsNewAsia and Straits Times reported that he posted "critical comments on the Court" and AGC is looking into it.
Are you suggesting that both mainstream media are doing "false reporting" and suggest that both media should repeat "his statement - whether inflammatory or not" - while investigation is ongoing?
(3) You posted that everyone should apologise to him.
Are you suggesting that he has broken the truce and draw in his aunt, the Govt institution - the comments make on Court, AGC and now the public - and the public should apologise to him - when he started everything all over again?
Are you his proxy as well?
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Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua -
The whole dispute is about "abuse of Govt and lose confidence in leadership".
He has revive the topic again which was debated in the Parliament - and the above statement is found to be false.
Now he use a foreign report to revive and support his posting in his social media - while a truce is declared by his father and his aunt.
What he say is under investigation. But his link to the foreign report already revive the allegation all over again and has broken the truce.
You want everyone to apologise to him while you act on behalf of him as his proxy?
The whole dispute is about "abuse of Govt and lose confidence in leadership".
He has revive the topic again which was debated in the Parliament - and the above statement is found to be false.
Now he use a foreign report to revive and support his posting in his social media - while a truce is declared by his father and his aunt.
What he say is under investigation. But his link to the foreign report already revive the allegation all over again and has broken the truce.
You want everyone to apologise to him while you act on behalf of him as his proxy?
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Ricky Lim ·
If it is a family feud - and if inflammatory statement are make against one another in private - then no one really care as it is between the family members.
But if it involve the Nation, the Govt institutions - then it is entirely a different matter altogether.
By discrediting the Nation and the Govt institutions - as it has a big impact because it hit everyone not within a family.
The dispute centre around "abuse of Govt and lose confidence in leadership" - goes to the very core and the heart of everyone's survival if the leadership fall and the Country go into disarray.
You seems to be supporting this cause - by being a proxy to his cause.
But if it involve the Nation, the Govt institutions - then it is entirely a different matter altogether.
By discrediting the Nation and the Govt institutions - as it has a big impact because it hit everyone not within a family.
The dispute centre around "abuse of Govt and lose confidence in leadership" - goes to the very core and the heart of everyone's survival if the leadership fall and the Country go into disarray.
You seems to be supporting this cause - by being a proxy to his cause.
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Ricky Lim ·
There are many challenges up at the doorsteps that threaten our safety, economic survival and the future of our descendants:-
(1) ISIS that are right at our doorsteps - and we have to be constantly vigilant as they try all ways and means to penetrate our defense
(2) Cyber security threat that will pull down our critical infrastructure system - eg banking, traffic, environmental, power, water etc
(3) Geopolitical dynamics that have reached inflexion point and if we are not watchful and adjust accordingly - it will threaten our safety, security, economy and jobs
(4) Artic Sea route - which in long term will threaten our seaport
And there are many more challenges.
Mr Lee KY in his lifetime was very attentive to such signs that are threatening Singapore survival - and always look 10 step ahead and even further to ensure Singapore will be able to counter threats and seize opportunities so that Singapore continue to survive and thrive.'
Now our Government is playing this role.
He if for the interest of Singapore thinks of ways to help to solve the challenges - then he is a positive contributor to the well-being of Singapore.
But this chap and his family are constantly distracting and diverting Govt attention to the challenges that will threaten us and overwhelm us.
And you seems to support his cause.
So when there is a need to stop further nonsense, a cane if need to come down will have to come down until and unless such nonsense stop.
(1) ISIS that are right at our doorsteps - and we have to be constantly vigilant as they try all ways and means to penetrate our defense
(2) Cyber security threat that will pull down our critical infrastructure system - eg banking, traffic, environmental, power, water etc
(3) Geopolitical dynamics that have reached inflexion point and if we are not watchful and adjust accordingly - it will threaten our safety, security, economy and jobs
(4) Artic Sea route - which in long term will threaten our seaport
And there are many more challenges.
Mr Lee KY in his lifetime was very attentive to such signs that are threatening Singapore survival - and always look 10 step ahead and even further to ensure Singapore will be able to counter threats and seize opportunities so that Singapore continue to survive and thrive.'
Now our Government is playing this role.
He if for the interest of Singapore thinks of ways to help to solve the challenges - then he is a positive contributor to the well-being of Singapore.
But this chap and his family are constantly distracting and diverting Govt attention to the challenges that will threaten us and overwhelm us.
And you seems to support his cause.
So when there is a need to stop further nonsense, a cane if need to come down will have to come down until and unless such nonsense stop.
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Ricky Lim ·
As son and daughter and grandson of Mr Lee KY - instead of inheriting his Wisdom and Mission of making Singapore safe, survive and prosper - they are doing exactly the opposite - of distracting, poking the Govt and disturbing the public - while everyone are responding to the challenges and try to pull down the system.
And you are his proxy.
And you are his proxy.
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Jeff Phua
Ricky Lim. Hah?
It does not material what is written? It is the intent that is material? Material is fact. Your interpretation of his intent is supposition. Your supposition is your supposition alone and that is immaterial to this forum.
It is fact that he was sharing his thoughts privately with close friends. Somehow that got leaked into the public and we are at where we are now. You can speculate how you want about his intent but that is immaterial.
You want to share some of your private FB postings with the public for scrutiny? I guess not.
The statement from the AGC was they are looking into the comments. Not critical comments. The word "critical" was added by CNA to sensationalise that's all. And you fell for it like others.
I asked you and many others what was it he said. I got no answers. You even asked me to ask him. Meaning you don't know. So you are making an assertion without basis. You cannot find the graciousness in you to apologise for making assertions without basis. All I did was write on behalf of the readers who are gracious enough to apologise.
I shall not bother to answer the other post. It's just your interpretation of his intent and it is immaterial to this forum.
It would be good of you to shorten your posts a little. Makes it difficult to answer your questions. Try can?
It does not material what is written? It is the intent that is material? Material is fact. Your interpretation of his intent is supposition. Your supposition is your supposition alone and that is immaterial to this forum.
It is fact that he was sharing his thoughts privately with close friends. Somehow that got leaked into the public and we are at where we are now. You can speculate how you want about his intent but that is immaterial.
You want to share some of your private FB postings with the public for scrutiny? I guess not.
The statement from the AGC was they are looking into the comments. Not critical comments. The word "critical" was added by CNA to sensationalise that's all. And you fell for it like others.
I asked you and many others what was it he said. I got no answers. You even asked me to ask him. Meaning you don't know. So you are making an assertion without basis. You cannot find the graciousness in you to apologise for making assertions without basis. All I did was write on behalf of the readers who are gracious enough to apologise.
I shall not bother to answer the other post. It's just your interpretation of his intent and it is immaterial to this forum.
It would be good of you to shorten your posts a little. Makes it difficult to answer your questions. Try can?
Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua - he broke the truce and he draw in his aunt.
What do you have to say?
What do you have to say?
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Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua - he wrote in social media about the dispute (both his father and his aunt - say they will stop writing on the dispute in social media).
Now his aunt jump in to support him.
This is interpretation or facts?
Now his aunt jump in to support him.
This is interpretation or facts?
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Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua - he broke the truce, and his aunt broke the truce - that both his father and his aunt say they will cease.
Jeff Phua - did he broke the truce and did his aunt broke the truce, yes or no - a simple answer.
Jeff Phua - did he broke the truce and did his aunt broke the truce, yes or no - a simple answer.
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Jeff Phua
Ricky
Lim. I do not engage in speculation even though that seems to be your
preferred mode of communication. So you see for me to make a judgement
you have to present me the facts. It's difficult for me because I have
to stand by the words I utter. For you it's just say today tomorrow
never mind. What's the use writing long stories when the audience doubts
your credibility. I do not have an answer until you present me with
more facts. What did he say? What did his aunt say? Simple enough for
you? I do not want to make an apology again. This time to his aunt.
Understand?
Ricky Lim ·
Jeff Phua - never mind you just don't understand simple English.
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Jeff Phua
Ricky Lim. Again you show that you have no evidence to your baseless assertions. You make the apology to his aunt this time. I won't do it for you. My English is as good as yours if not better. The audience will decide.
There's no shame admitting defeat to a superior debater. None. You may go now.
There's no shame admitting defeat to a superior debater. None. You may go now.
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Jeff Phua
Ricky Lim. With all the abuse you've hurled I think everyone agrees I deserve more than one last word. I'm glad to expose you as the charlatan that you are. A wolf in sheep's clothing. We've all seen the likes of you before. Talk big and always the first to run at the first sign of trouble. So take note people. Ricky Lim. Run as far and as fast when you hear his name. I've answer all your questions as best as I could. When it came to your first question you run like the coward that you are and hide in your shell. Never mind you say just I predicted you would.
You are just a big talking coward with no spine to lean on. So what's the use all those long long stories you wrote. If it bears the name Ricky Lim the only place it deserves to be is in the toilet. Was it all worth it? Winning at all costs with your bullying and intimidation? I may write more I may not depending on how merciful I feel. You can only pray.
You are just a big talking coward with no spine to lean on. So what's the use all those long long stories you wrote. If it bears the name Ricky Lim the only place it deserves to be is in the toilet. Was it all worth it? Winning at all costs with your bullying and intimidation? I may write more I may not depending on how merciful I feel. You can only pray.
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