REACH 359 - What are your views on the current set of quiet hours in helping to promote a harmonious living environment? Do you agree with the current quiet hours? What noises should be avoided, regardless of the time of day? 

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10 Jun 2022 (10am - 7pm)

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[10:53 am, 10/06/2022] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

The Community Advisory Panel on Neighbourhood Noise is looking at ways to mitigate neighbourhood noise, which includes noise from neighbouring units or residential common areas. 

Currently, agencies have been promoting quiet hours between 10.30pm to 7am daily. Residents should avoid making noises in their homes or in the neighbourhood during this period. 

💬 What are your views on the current set of quiet hours in helping to promote a harmonious living environment? Do you agree with the current quiet hours? What noises should be avoided, regardless of the time of day? 

The maximum permissible noise levels set out by the National Environment Agency for construction work is 75dBA, a decibel scale measure, at residential buildings located less than 150m from the construction site.

It is the maximum noise level for a continuous 12 hours from Mondays to Saturdays, 7am to 7pm. For a continuous five minutes during the same time period, up to 90dBA is allowed.

The Panel is also embarking on a survey and series of public engagements to listen to views and ideas from the community. If you would like to contribute more to this topic, do share your thoughts through this link: www.go.gov.sg/neighbourhoodnoisesurvey 

👉🏼https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/panel-set-up-to-define-unacceptable-neighbourhood-noise-by-year-end

👉🏼https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/mediation-helped-ease-the-worst-of-noise-for-aljunied-hdb-resident

👉🏼https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/woman-who-suffered-noise-from-upstairs-neighbour-for-three-years-lost-sleep-job

For more information about the Panel, check out this link:

👉🏼www.go.gov.sg/communityadvisorypanel

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[10:58 am, 10/06/2022] +Uncle Law: Neighbourhood events should cease by 930pm instead of the current 1030pm

[11:07 am, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Complaints of noise from empty flat: Some issues defy explanation, says Tan Chuan-Jin

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/complaints-of-noise-from-empty-flat-some-issues-defy-explanation-tan-chuan-jin-says

However, Mr Tan stressed that residents in a community "just need to learn to live and let live, be as considerate as we can, and reach out to know our neighbours better".

- - Speaker Tan Chuan Jin

[11:14 am, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Can it be sounds come from flat above floor when strong wind enter each windows unit room.

[11:23 am, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022 

"'Questions & Concepts -' that decibel thingie will not solve'..? "

- - annoymous 

Multi-Racials, Multi-Cultures, Multi-Religions, Multi-Nationals means MULTIPLE ways of livings (habits & behaviors) in a community living environment? 

Common or Uncommon Ways of Life

 Habits and Habitats

Reimaginng the Kampong styles into Coexist styles of living? 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/complaints-of-noise-from-empty-flat-some-issues-defy-explanation-tan-chuan-jin-says

     - -  in progress - -

[11:39 am, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: How Singapore Fixed Its Affordable Housing Problem  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-23/the-housing-legacy-of-singapore-s-first-prime-minister-lee-kuan-yew-who-passed-away-last-sunday-at-the-age-of-91

[0:19 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Encounter 2 types of noises:-

1. The unit above in the high rise building - keep making noise throughout the day and night - even at odd hours.

Eg. Dragging chair, banging etc.

It stops only when the family move out.

2. This morning, above unit suddenly start hacking and drilling the toilet - without notifying their neighbours that renovation works including hacking and drilling will take place.

[0:21 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Lotsa Inconsiderate people these days. 

They r either ignorant,  stupid or just plain selfish!

[0:22 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Take down the unit no. and call HDB.

[0:22 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder how to make people more considerate and less selfish?

[0:23 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"VIDEO | S’porean luxury car driver dumping rubbish in M’sia parking lot"

 https://theindependent.sg/sporean-luxury-car-driver-dumping-rubbish-in-msia-parking-lot/#:~:text=M%27sia%20parking%20lot-,VIDEO%20%7C%20S%E2%80%99porean%20luxury%20car%20driver%20dumping%20rubbish%20in%20M%E2%80%99sia%20parking%20lot,-%E2%80%9CIn%20Singapore%2C%20don%27t

[0:24 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The more we confront, the worst it become.

[0:24 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Hard to do. 

Cos they're alredi grown up. 

Such values nd to be taught from young. 

Which therefore reflects on their upbringing. 

Another thing is culture.  If they r not fr SG,  they wud not hv lived in HDB. 

Therefore, they dun understand wat noise is until it happens to them. They take for granted things r 'normal' ... Like they living in their own house back in their country.

[0:25 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Not necessarily. 

Just get HDB to chk on them to see if they hv engaged prof contractor etc.

[0:27 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Contractors wise - not so concern - because they only make noise one or 2 days.

Don't want to create bad blood - and then they turn nasty by creating more noise deliberately in future.

[0:28 pm, 10/06/2022] +~N: Agree. Please ensure quite hours. Noises to be avoided: drilling, renovation works (except with permit), heavy construction, roadworks, aviation.

[0:29 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Notice that more civic education is needed in our education system.

Becoming more affluent must commensurate with good upbringing.

Notice that this is lacking.

[0:29 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: 🤔

Agree. 

Just monitor the sitn tho. 

If it gets out of hand,  u hv to do sth,  for yr own peace of mind.

[0:33 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Also agree.

Parents not doing enough "parenting".

Either they r busy at work or with their own lives. They spend $$$ on sending kids to tuition, take kids out on staycations,  go travelling. 

But they dun teach values .  They let the kids develop on their own,  allow them to make choices (at the wrong age), follow American style parenting...  which lets the kids run wild...  Lacks discipline,  do not know right from wrong. 

We shd still inculcate our Asian values into our kids when they r young...  Not let them spend hours on iPads,  tablets, etc to do their own thing ....

[0:34 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022 

To: All Living In Singapore 

"Attitudes, Habits, Behaviors (Cosmopolitan City - 大都会城市)"

"kopi kosing, kopi siewtai or kopi susu?" 

- - annoymous 

Divergence - Convergence:

There is a divergence of the 3 social- economics components in today's cosmopolitan cities, this case we examine Singapore, one such city. 

When we compare these key components of the living habitats, there is a need to investigate the sub cultures, beliefs and practices. 

One, the "natives" residents aka citizens (Singaporeans whom stayed 20 years and longer since 1965). Two, the "recently arrived" residents (10 yrs to 15 years stay) can either be PRs or on long term work permits. 

Three, the "just arrived" ones (under one year to 5 years). 

Each group has its own unique sets of cultures, habits, attitudes and behaviors. This group can be further different by religion and or race and or age. 

"it is more than that db alone. ..?" 

- - annoymous 

            - -  in progress - -

[0:54 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I lost touch of the current primary and secondary education - as my children and siblings children all grown up.

Wonder is civic education still taught in schools?

During my younger days, civic education are taught with many stories on how good people behave.

Those stories still itch into my mind and this is how we taught our children.

Our children are all well behave, kind and considerate.

Wonder such civic education are still taught in primary and secondary education?

As our population get more affluent, I hope our character and moral values also move up in tandem.

Else we will live in a more wealthy but more self serving society without consideration for others.

[0:55 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: The entirety, public and private housings.

[0:55 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Danny,

Civic minded!

[1:05 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Yes, still taught in primary schools but not emphasised. 

These days, children r either... 

at home, left very much in the care of third party helpers, or

after school, go from tuition to tuition,  no time to rest , 

or

given iPad,  tablet, HP too early (like baby 1 year old) to keep them amused,  etc. (I hv seen). 

Notice 👆🏻how ther is very little mention of parent's active involvement in child's life to educate , instill , reinforce values.

[1:06 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Technology is advance the future allow child to learning.

[1:10 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Children must be taught the right values.

Adults must also learn the right values.

[1:13 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: I hv seen both well behaved and not so well mannered kids in the tuition centres tt I work in. 

Sad to say, sometimes even the parents themselves need to be educated in manners. 

Ther is always a "balance" ... Meaning,  for every well-mannered kid, ther is always one who is not.

[1:16 pm, 10/06/2022] +JC: Please discuss this topic next time @Reach

[1:16 pm, 10/06/2022] +JC: Big issue that affects all of us but no consultation

[1:27 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Scientists create film for windows that blocks noise and plays music

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/scientists-create-film-for-windows-that-blocks-noise-and-plays-music

[1:27 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: https://noiseplaster.com/blog/2020/7/27/a-new-apartment-should-not-just-look-or-feel-right-it-should-sound-right-too

Higher is noisier – noise travels upwards and that is why higher floors tend to be noisier (it usually starts to reduce from around the 15th floor). Banging from construction work nearby can be heard acutely on higher floors even through the source of the noise can seem very far away.

[1:28 pm, 10/06/2022] +Poh Seng Lim: Moral education has to begin at home and civic education in elementary schools during which wider social norms are being inculcated at a national level. 

Both need to be harmonised otherwise the dissonance can be felt by the child. 

The problem is that this has not happened in recent decades due to many factors. 

I would be glad to contribute to this conversation.

[1:37 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I always remind and teach my kid 3 type of mindfulness:-

1. Mindfulness of our thoughts.

2. Mindfulness of our speech.

3. Mindfulness of our actions.

If we can guard our mind, our speech and our actions - anchor on good heart and mind - most of the time - our behaviour will be wholesome.

The backdrop must be - the ability to emphatise.

1. What we do can we accept as wholesome.

2. What we do to others, can we step into their shoes - and accept as wholesome.

If we cannot accept, them we cannot impose and do it to others.

This is how I remind and teach my kid.

[1:38 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022

What's the TC, Police and Policy can do to deter noise pollution or unpleasant encounters and or inconsiderate behaviors?

Are these enforceable by new laws or any other ways to civilly encourage awareness of communal livings?

"when you are in Roma, lives and behaves like a Roman...?"

- - *annoymous

[1:48 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Asia's largest cell-cultured chicken facility to be up and running in Bedok from 2023"

 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/asias-largest-cell-cultured-chicken-facility-to-be-up-and-running-in-bedok-from-2023#:~:text=Asia%27s%20largest%20cell%2Dcultured%20chicken%20facility%20to%20be%20up%20and%20running%20in%20Bedok%20from%202023

[2:11 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: Lol wonder what nutrient broth is made from? 🤣 you think totally no meat involved?

[2:13 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: https://gfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/clean-meat-production-volume-and-medium-cost.pdf

[2:13 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: So called more healthy

[2:14 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: FGF is a hormone 😅

[2:16 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: Less water… err not really… to have super pure water.. you use more instead. 

I have biology background.

[2:16 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 30% Cultured Meats

70% Good Old Meats

Follows through all foods cat... 30/30 sustainability initiatives!

[2:17 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://gfi.org/science/the-science-of-cultivated-meat/

[2:17 pm, 10/06/2022] +Ken Loh: To get all this chemical you use lots of water

[2:19 pm, 10/06/2022] +Guillermo Cabeza: This is a very well put together survey :

www.go.gov.sg/neighbourhoodnoisesurvey

[2:19 pm, 10/06/2022] +Guillermo Cabeza: Much better and comprehensive than a survey in OneService which i saw a few months ago.

[2:20 pm, 10/06/2022] +Guillermo Cabeza: Personally I think quiet hours should be 11pm to 6am. Covers many needs while giving some flexibility for those who work late or get up early.

[2:20 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Two factors,

Economies of scaling these "New Meats "

Importation of "Old Meats"

What's the final retail price of these nee meats? 

These New Meats will have to be cheaper than the Brazilian Old Meats!

[2:21 pm, 10/06/2022] +Poh Seng Lim: I’m curious if we could and would drink alcoholic beverages which was derived from petroleum? 

As we know from chemistry we can obtain ethanol from refining petroleum and converting it to ethanol. However, our alcoholic beverages are from plants e.g. wine from grapes, beer from barley etc. fermentation process but it is identical to ethanol except perhaps the flavours. If we can synthesize the flavour molecules and use petroleum-derived ethanol, would we drink it?

[2:24 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Synthesise and deodorise... That's food tech and science.

Palm oil (cooking oiks) does the two processes...

[2:24 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: It’s said 

https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2022/01/18/Alcohol-and-COVID-19-Good-news-for-red-wine-drinkers-but-blow-for-beer-boozers

[2:26 pm, 10/06/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We’d love to hear more from you on today's topic 😊

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan

[2:28 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie,

Old saying, " the devils is in the process....?"

- - annoymous

Next comes the natural digestive system of a human body, how much and how fast it will Chew all foods or drinks in waste and importantly passes out and not to be retained in the liver, kidney or the long colon.. That's will be TOXIC waste, no good!

[2:29 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: "One group thinking smart but the others are no fools too? "

“一群人的想法很聪明，但其他人也不傻? ”

- - annoymous

[2:29 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: 😨 much less to drink and body can tell limit drink. Those who no experience drink are over drunk.

[2:30 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't drink alcohol and beer.

So can't comment.

[2:35 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Planet Earth:

Climate changes

Overly populated world

Toxic wasted of farm animals

Farmers becoming City folks 

Emerging Middle class

[2:36 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The future of meat will likely to be sustainable meat - because global climate will make land infertile - drought, flood - and land for crops will be greatly reduced while world population will grow beyond 10 billion.

Now is 7.9 billion.

If we do not look for meat substitute such as the lab grown meat that uses very little land and infinite food source (cell can multiply and replicate) - we will go hungry as food protectionism and export ban of meat become more rampant.

[2:41 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

When we are concern with water supply, we turn sewage water, urine and drain water into drinking newater.

As long as it is drinkable and non-toxic.

So if meat substitute are medically proven to be safe for human and approved by HSA to be edible by human - do we reject a sustainable food meat?

I won't and in fact praise our government for having good foresight to secure such food source for Singapore - and ensuring our food security.

For looking ahead - food supply shortage will be even more serious and more acute.

It will not be better off.

[2:42 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I drank newater when it was 1st launch - and it taste as good as the current drinkable water.

It is all in the mind.

[2:47 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-say-nations-corn-belt-has-lost-third-its-topsoil-180977485/

"Dont loose the corn or the poultry and the piggies were be affected too!"

- - annoymous

Top Soil:

Ukraine, in particular, Eastern Ukraine has the thickest and blackest black (up to 60m deep) top soil in the world. It is also the best  quality, a Mother nature given asset to Ukraine - wheat and corn are big agricultural produces, this warring nation.  Next is China, it is a big producer of wheat.

[2:48 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

How do you feed 7.9 billion people?

Lab grown meat, vertical farming will be the only way to feed the exploding world population - as traditional animal farm and crops farm no longer produce enough yield to feed the world population.

https://www.czarnikow.com/blog/how-do-you-feed-7-9-billion-people

[2:50 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Luckily Singapore is ahead of the curve in lab grown meat and vertical farming!

A tremendous good foresight of our government!

[2:50 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Danny,

Talking about water,

No two areas or two countries or two regions has the same chemical composite.. That's the uniqueness of WATER! (that sweet water...) 

WATER will become a scarcity thing comes 2050!

"no water, no life...?"

- - annoymous

[2:52 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore can survive with our current methods of producing drinkable water:-

Recycled water - newater.

Desalination water - from seawater.

[2:55 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And I remember when the old M laugh at us for drinking sewage and urine, I took one bottle of newater and drink it in front of my Malaysia relatives - when they repeat the same statement.

My relatives grimace and look sheepish.

I say the newater taste good.

[2:56 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Clean water for manufacturing of semiconductors (chips).

Super clean water, this, the Japanese is the forerunner!

[3:06 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: The future DRAM (complex circuitry) will be the intermediary for 5G/6G sensors, signals and fastest processing. Taiwan (TSMC) and South Korea (Samsung) are fighting for breakthroughs in technologies and market dominance! Where is that old household name, Intel?

[3:07 pm, 10/06/2022] +~RH: Good for u,  Danny. 

We can continue this topic another time. 

Today's focus is elsewhere .... 😅

[3:08 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: Hahaha..

[3:28 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Neighbor noises can be managed with open discussion (pre-arrange for activity, if any) or shut the windows to reduce noise pollution. There are noises near the Long term work site and small airport/base that the path of take-off and landing cannot eliminate with door and windows closure. HDB should consider using soundproof material in these types of areas.

[3:56 pm, 10/06/2022] +Kelvin Tan M L: @+REACH I think the issue here is whether current regulations can be enforced by any agency, eg. HDB, NEA, Police, CMC (Community Mediation Centre), Town Council, or it cannot be enforced due to the resident that caused the problem was not willing to cooperate. If this issue is not resolved, it will not make sense to have the regulations and not being able to apply to the real-life situation.

[4:00 pm, 10/06/2022] +Kelvin Tan M L: @REACH Singapore @Reach Singapore @REACH Singapore @+65 8340 2049 @REACH Singapore @REACH Singapore @REACH Singapore @REACH Singapore @REACH Phone 2 @REACH Singapore @REACH Singapore

[4:15 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Actually, if floor is not made up of solid concrete but soundproof flooring - then even if people jump up and down, or drag furniture - lower floor units will not be so affected by the noise upstairs.

Maybe HDB can consider this.

This will prevent future trouble - like government need to mediate noise emitted by neighbours.

Housing design can help to reduce future trouble - and can devote attention on other more pressing national issues.

[4:16 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Condo developers should also consider soundproof flooring.

[4:18 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And soundproof ceiling.

[4:29 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

In fact, HDB could explore with soundproof experts - to offer solutions to HDB units affected by recalcitrant noise maker - how to soundproof their ceilings.

Especially when all laws or mediation fails.

Then heart wrenching efforts to stop noise - can be resolved.

[4:30 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Kelvin,

Good points.

Who to enforce or involve should cases arise like noise pollution or litterings especially comes next year the banning of plastic waste bags and so on.

Who's going to lead this initiative?

[4:34 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Danny,

Good point on noise and floor /ceiling /partition walls between 3 units.

Prefab concrete has different composite compared to say brick or concrete block.

The builder, this case can be  HDB or private developer. Who can we SOUND PROOF - floor, ceiling, walls of a flat or apartments?

[4:38 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If technology can solve the noise problem - offer an option for the troubled household - if all mitigation and rules don't work out - and can close the chapter.

[4:38 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: As for enforcement, the steps before the ultimatum of issuing a summon. Perhaps to have each block an AREA committee to mitigate and identify area of Concerns before escalating to the authority which can either be Police and or TC follows by HDB. A lengthy process, often add to  confusing, conflicting and competing consequences?

[4:39 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Identify, engage, connect with the resident(s) or household, issue of concerns with the good intent of resolving amicably with GRACE.

Workable?

[4:40 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Then setup every units with sound box alert so police can receive whom make it noise 😅

[4:42 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie,

Old Kampong days, use whistle... Blow when concern arise!

[4:43 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Prefab is one issue... Can be resolved if one is concern about inter units noise...

Dimensionally, center, left, right, above and below!

[4:45 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: As for internal noise reduction, certain spec of glass window will do the trick plus blocking sunray too!

[4:48 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Caution:

We do not want Singapore to be known as a place FULL OF RULES, every mm, everywhere there are rules in play!

That makes living NO FUN!

CAN WE ALL BRAINSTORM "LIVING 4.0" ?

[4:49 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: I would say personally every family has own issue in unit making noise small either big at midnight.

-Baby cry

-wife and husband quarrel 

-dog braking 

-water drop

-child playing

While quiet time is calming down.

[4:51 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 自动, 不自动或活动?

[4:52 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie,

Good life examples! 

These are VARIABLES, part & parcel of communal livings...

[4:55 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: How about helicopter these variables and drop it say....

The future Marina Bay public /private housings /amenities/etc, inclusively!

[4:57 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: It took, a generation to stop spitting, stop littering and stop vandalising.... Today, its working...

[4:58 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Micro managing or?

[5:00 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Feeling awesome sound helicopter we are defensive Singapore is good day time.😁

Have you been student sing in school every morning? It’s same example noise.

For midnight is quiet time everybody going to bedtime.

[5:02 pm, 10/06/2022] +danielhl chua: In a metropolitan city like Singapore, its difficult to determine the amt of work that needs to be done in the day or night. 

I had just seen a complaint online at potong pasir, complaining abt road works in the wee hours.

There are citizens working in unearthly hours, how can we minimise noise when even flushing toilets will wake neighbours up?  How much rules should we implement to keep everyone happy?

[5:02 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: The future singapore is technology advance do you believe in 2050?

[5:03 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: https://2050.earth/artworks/singapore-2050

[5:05 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Enforcement help, but it soon will be a vicious cycle of resource allocation for enforcing vs. the number of cases in the long run. Alternatively, tackling the issue from physical installation/ design of airflow engineering and natural ventilation may help to manage the issue  permanently

[5:06 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Fresh toilet god idea.

How about developers innovative.

[5:07 pm, 10/06/2022] +danielhl chua: On the other hand, I empathised with those who need to put up errant neighbours such as the one in Hougang.

I think that we need to empower authorities to deal with issues like that, but on a case to case basis. A lock up is required for this hellish neighbour to change his terrorist behaviour.

[5:10 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

For some people, authority can change their behaviour.

But for some people, rules and enforcement will turn them into monster.

My preference is less confrontation, but look for more creative ways such as technology to solve human problems.

Sometimes human problems are more difficult to handle than technology.

[5:15 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Empower committee may have new potential risks. Currently, any noise pollution complaint is to respective agencies.

[5:17 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Possibility it may end up in mediation centre and.......?

[5:19 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie,

One good thing, students signing national anthem. During circuit breaker period.... Total silent, school closed HBL very sad!

[5:19 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: Some people may not even turn up in the mediation centre.

[5:20 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: And escalate more noise problem.

[5:22 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Soundproof windows and paint may reduce the DB level. “Relationships between noise complaints and socio-economic factors in England, 2021” does provide some insight into the noise pollution issues. I remember someone in  NUS wrote a report on the law and economics of noise nuisance also

[5:27 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Agreed it’s helpful soundproof 

Hope HDB make it’s innovative about window and wall

[5:29 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. My neighbour face a problem of upper unit throwing dog fur down and blow into his balcony after trimming the dog fur.

He show it to me.

I offer him 3 solutions:-

1. Walk up to the unit - and talk to them not to do it. (It may change their behaviour or worsen their behaviour).

2. Complaints to town council without showing face. (It may change their behaviour or worsen their behaviour).

3. Close the window - no fur blow in.

He chose no. 3 - problem solved.

Another person complain about upper unit smoking and the smoke go into the lower floor unit.

I offer 3 solutions:-

1. Talk to him.

2. Call town council.

(Both have the above similar consequences).

3. Close the window and use hi-velocity fan to blow against the windows - problem solved.

My neighbour choose 3.

[5:30 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes I support quiet hours. My upstairs neighbours are up at 5.30am cooking (I assume for a local hawker), and the helper is cleaning and filling buckets. I asked if they could wait until 6.30 and was told everyone in Singapore gets up early....

[5:30 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, sometimes the music goes on very late and doesn't need to he so loud.

[5:31 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: I agree that law does help, but an alternative solution is required to resolve the root cause. There are residents moving houses, visitors, foreigners visiting units, etc.; effective enforcing means more high-tech gadgets necessary to identify the culprit and resources needed to charge the offender. With the amount spent on hi-tech gadgets, any consideration of the old way - installing soundproof material?

[5:31 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: I over heard news Covid-19 may come back again wave hit next month July to Aug. Hospital is preparing more bed.

Maybe we are stay on circuit breaker again.

[5:31 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Easy to say, but doesn't always work thay way. No one wants to argue with neighbours, but what to do?

[5:31 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, or echoing

[5:32 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes often the case.

[5:33 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: The slot is wasted, and a new meeting is scheduled. The cost of compliance becomes much higher right?

[5:33 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, although it's the day to day noise thay is an ongoing problem. Moving furniture at midnight, treadmill at 6am... those are ongoing.

[5:34 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Our other neighbours kid practices drum until 10pm.  They are electric, but the noise goes right into my kids bedroom every school night.

[5:35 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Arguing with neighbors will only destroy the relationship between 2 households. The unfriendly situation will continue until one household move house.

[5:35 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes double glazed windows are  a big help to prevent outside noise.

[5:36 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, there was tension between us, but we diffused it and they tried to be quieter. I still don't understand why they are using their hdb for mass catering every morning.

[5:37 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Neighbourhoods seek helping maybe mental illness

[5:38 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Not mentally ill, perfectly nice people actually. Just up very early each day and busy preparing food at 5.30am

[5:38 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Human has their preferable time to do their things. From the discussion can see that if a building is with something on noise reduction installed, everyone can continue its own preferable timetable doing what they want without affecting others right?

[5:38 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: I see maybe neighbourhoods own a hawker to prepare cooking early morning.

[5:39 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Maybe due to various reason, I just quote (for example need to prepare food for family, earning leaving, working shift etc)

[5:40 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, which is an unfair imposition on the neighbours.

[5:40 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022 

Busybody chat (市民心声) 

- - annoymous and pure fiction

"Neighborhood (4方8面)" 

Helen - Hey Ah Seng, wow, garmen going to catch noisy people like you!

Seng - catch what, 10. 45pm only, Police also human leh, I talk logic to police sure win!

Raju - Helen, really ah, garmen summon noise?

Jenny (RC) - ah yah, not yet, they always survey survey, ask ask then start lah! Don't worry got Jenny the RC take care!

Rahimah - Ah yah, why summon summon, my KAMPONG days all are friends!

Sekali - ai say, Rahimah, Kampong spirt, bagus!

Seng - how to balik Kampong now, we are modern city leh? 

Rahimah - ah Seng, you must make friends not make noise ! 

Sekali - so easy meh? Make friends? 

Jenny (RC) - hey all of you, you HELLO to your neighbor left, ri…

[5:40 pm, 10/06/2022] +BL: Yes, and they should be able to do that. Just as I should be able to sleep. 🤣

[5:40 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: New Stall is become small they no have choice to prepare at home.

[5:41 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: 😂

[5:42 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie,

Hidden meanings 话中有话

[5:43 pm, 10/06/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

That's why, I often choose not to adopt confrontation.

But look for creative ways to resolve problems.

[5:44 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: I don't think moral by itself is still part of a standalone subject in the primary. Did not see that book in the schoolbag. not sure about secondary

[5:47 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Agree that with the current building structure, maybe talking to your neighbor to express your concern will be the best option unless it is financially ok to do soundproof oneself.

[5:50 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Coexist or Conflict

[5:53 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Coexist in harmony way. We all are Singaporean. Here is our home. Talking and understanding each other concerns to resolve the issue may be the best way to bring back the kampong spirit

[5:53 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Tolerance, easy word, often hard to swollow!

Restrain, easier said than practice!

Understanding, perhaps, will be a self thought (taught) process?

[5:55 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: Tolerance and understanding the concern is not an easy task

[5:55 pm, 10/06/2022] +SL: But worth it a try

[5:56 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Sometimes, that NOISE, may means something to that person and to others are simply regarded as NOISY!

Understand the underlying situation and the psychology of that action, noise, will enlightened many brains and a path towards forgiveness?

[5:58 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: To view and assess tangible or intangible as negative, often will psych that person towards many unintended consequences that lead to the ultimate actions of no returning!

[5:58 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: De-stress our mind health sleep 8hrs per day till morning is fine day.

[5:59 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Yes, think, afterall is never a life & death issue UNLESS it becomeing a murder, then call police immediately!

[6:01 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: To each their own challenges 家家有本难读经

[6:01 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Forgiveness is forgiveness and make no sinful life. We are being human.

Harmony is happy

Joy is fulfilling 

Journey is path

[6:03 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Harmony - in a mental state of free and easy

Joy - strike lottery

Journey - sunrise and sunset must work work work

[6:05 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: What if you ask an American or an European or an Asian? 

What's Harmony, joy, journey?

[6:06 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Probable answers will be

INDIVIDUAL HUMAN RIGHTS!

NEIGHBORHOOD?

KAMPONG HOOD?

[6:07 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: In western own believe most Christ

[6:08 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Human rights!

Individual!

[6:08 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: Asian values...

[6:11 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: One answer :

"One united people, regardless of race, language or religion."

- - Sinnathamby Rajaratnam

[6:11 pm, 10/06/2022] +Frankie Wee: Right

[6:14 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: "We believe in a democratic society by governments freely and periodically elected by the people… We believe, in the virtue of hard work and that those who work harder in society should be given greater rewards… We believe that the world does not owe us a living and that we have to earn our keep." 

- - DPM S Rajaratnam, Minister for Foreign Affairs

[6:47 pm, 10/06/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:59 pm, 10/06/2022] +Smiley face: 10 June, 2022

To: Our Distinguished Ministers and All Honorable Members 

"A Better Tomorrow  (明天会更好) HOME " 

Mitigating Noise, Climate & Pollution:

Offset area between block of flats, offset area between primary road, expressway, and multi storey carpark. Wind, sunrise and sunset, these combined factors of a particular block and a cluster of blocks. The concrete materials used for these flats, windows and doors. 

Together all these big and small variables will add up to climate, environment and pollution, this discussion is noise level.

What's the level of sound tolerance grounds up at an interval of 5 storey say within a flat, outside/opposite of a flat and a cluster of blocks?

Architects and town planners have the expertise in creating a more liveable place and a smarter use of spaces for all and not forgetting our elderly.. Before tomorrow arrives, there is a need to investigate area of concerns that are known as lapses and existing in the current public housing designs.

Afterwords:

As for enforcement of noise, the steps before the ultimatum of issuing a summon. Perhaps to have each block an AREA committee to mitigate and identify area of concerns before escalating to the authority which can either be Police and or TC follows by HDB. A lengthy process, often add to  confusing, conflicting and competing consequences?

Identify, engage, connect with the resident(s) or household, issue of concerns with the good intent of resolving amicably with GRACE.

Workable?

Caution! 

We do not want Singapore to be known as a place FULL OF RULES, every mm and rverywhere there are rules in play!

That makes living NO FUN! Let  Tomorrow be better, our HOME (明天会更好)! 

     - -  in progress - -

[7:00 pm, 10/06/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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