REACH 187 - As we vaccinate, how to ensure social distancing in CNY (SK)
25 Jan 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[11:30 am, 25/01/2021] +: π’ Topic π’
π¬ As Singapore tightens its measures against COVID-19 and steps up its vaccination drive, how can we as a community continue to encourage each other to observe these measures?
New restrictions and measures against COVID-19 ahead of the Chinese New Year period were introduced and these included to keeping to groups of eight, no shouting or cheering while tossing yusheng and dragon and lion dances cancelled according to Covid-19 ministerial task force announcements made on Jan 22.
More than 60,000 people in Singapore have already received Covid-19 vaccines and it is being rolled out faster, with seniors receiving vaccination starting Jan 27, added COVID-19 multi-ministry task force co-chair Minister Gan Kim Yong.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/8-visitors-a-day-and-no-shouting-while-tossing-yusheng-8-ways-cny-will-be-different-this
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/seniors-to-receive-covid-19-vaccinations-from-wednesday
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-than-60000-people-in-singapore-have-received-covid-19-vaccines
π https://www.gov.sg/article/safe-management-measures-and-chinese-new-year
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/stricter-measures-ahead-of-cny-disappointing-but-singapore-must-remain-vigilant-in-covid
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Nats
[11:34 am, 25/01/2021] +: You see ah, all these are just recommendations or advisories for now, big question is how to enforce (especially the first and second)? And sorry to derail but more and more people are starting to install CCTVs at their units when it's supposedly illegal to do so? Not like baotoh anyone got money to earn liddat, why people gotta be so antagonising huh?
Phyllis
[11:40 am, 25/01/2021] +: Many illegal watch dogs around our neighbourhood. Beware!
Caleb
[11:44 am, 25/01/2021] +: Everyone plays a part.
So when go ppl house, all make sure we follow law by law.
YT
[11:47 am, 25/01/2021] +: Yes, enforcement will be tough. Agree.
Caleb
[11:48 am, 25/01/2021] +: If not will get fine and jail.
This part need to be communicate tog with the guidelines
Nats
[11:51 am, 25/01/2021] +: For those who wanna be responsible hor, I suggest writing down somewhere who you//visited (either you visited or visited you)
Maintain some sort of a record at least
Caleb
[11:53 am, 25/01/2021] +: Take photo with whoever u met also can
Alvin
[11:53 am, 25/01/2021] +: We dun really encourage others. Sometimes a friendly reminder to a stranger might get challenged and asking for a fight. It’s just better to report the person. Unfortunately this means many others might “baotoh” other people and that isn’t how you encourage others. All I can say is it’s up to the government to carry out this encouragement. Reward those who follow the rules and others will follow suit. My 2.14 cents
Nats
[11:54 am, 25/01/2021] +: Prone to unnecessary baotoh tho
Caleb
[11:57 am, 25/01/2021] +: I observed that coffeeshops most don't put alot of the QR codes for SafeEntry for easy of customers to scan.
Can ramp up on this.
Since eating is high risk
[11:58 am, 25/01/2021] +: Parks and public basketball courts too.
My MP said the basketball court is not require for SE.
Nats
[11:58 am, 25/01/2021] +: Parks don't have? Which park?
Ken
[0:00 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Err youngster mainly and who can make sure they scan? Lol
Caleb
[0:01 pm, 25/01/2021] +: MacRitchie Reservoir
Nats
[0:02 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Better than not having any SE to begin with
Not all youngsters are as irresponsible as you think they are
Linda
[0:04 pm, 25/01/2021] +: That basketball court has lot of youngsters coming to play.
[0:05 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Agreed
Berny
[0:06 pm, 25/01/2021] +: If i'm not wrong, the street soccer court near parc vista condo have SE qr code at the gate
Caleb
[0:08 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Integrated Shield Plans to cover hospitalisation due to COVID-19 vaccine complications https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-integrated-shield-plans-cover-vaccine-hospitalisation-14036592#.YA5ER1-p--M.whatsapp
Alvin
[0:09 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It’s better to bring token or turn TT app on when going for sports
[0:09 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It’s the best way to track
Ken
[0:09 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Not all but it just take one person to start the infection among them.
Caleb
[0:10 pm, 25/01/2021] +: The coverage will be provided until Dec 31
Boon
[0:10 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Dear REACH, Shouldn’t the TaskForce or whoever recommended the CNY restrictions also come up with these guidelines? For one, please do not turn our community into a distrustful one where citizens will report on citizens, and household will report on households. Your question here has this really negative potential.
Caleb
[0:13 pm, 25/01/2021] +: So funny one. Then go stadium run need to do SE right?
[0:14 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Basketball is worst, run around in a smaller area
Nats
[0:14 pm, 25/01/2021] +: While I was washing my dishes I already thought of a reply to you:
If just one of them scan, if just one, also can help with the contact tracing if need be
Just one.
[0:20 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZDa4rKxNg Early data from Israel - where 20% of its population has been received the Pfizer jab - suggests it could lead to a 33% decline in infections among the over-60s, just two weeks after the group were vaccinated.
While COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to reduce the risk of serious disease, this new data suggests the UK may have to rethink it's decision to delay the second jab.
[0:20 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israel+success+story+in+vaccination Many videos from many foreign news touting the success of Israel vaccination drive. This will boost the World confidence in getting their population vaccinated. Israel success hinge on 2 vaccine doses - not 1 jab and delay the 2nd jab (that is used by UK).
[0:22 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Israel Plans to Vaccinate Everyone by March. Here’s How. | WSJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btQ-4jcd9s
[0:24 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Coronavirus: New variant up to 30% more deadly, Johnson warns as tighter border rules loom
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/quarter-uk-deaths-covid-19-204239262.html
[0:26 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
CNA news on 22/1/2021 5pm and 23/1/2021 12pm - broadcast a segment on Israel vaccination drive - and Israel Health Authority project that the pandemic in Israel will end when the vaccination is completed in end Mar 2021.
[0:42 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Vaccination is the best hope to end the pandemic - Israel is showing the way - a shining model of impending success.
2. But meanwhile as many of us are still not vaccinated, we need to ensure covid will not spread among our community.
3. CNY is an event we cannot be complacent about - as many people desire to meet and people congregate with our loved ones.
4. This pose a real risk for virus to spread if we are not careful.
5. Hence I will urge for this year to observe the social distancing guidelines as meted out by our government.
6. As our turn for vaccination comes, bravely sign up for the vaccination.
7. I believe the doctors or staff nurses at the vaccination center will check each and everyone health carefully before administer vaccine for us to ensure we are suitable for the vaccination.
8. Should if a few rare adverse reaction happen, anti-allergy treatment can be administered on the spot so that such cases can be recovered on the spot.
9. There is real hope the pandemic will be over when our vaccination is completed.
But meanwhile we need to stay vigilant and ensure we will not trigger community spreading by being complacent in the coming CNY.
Ben
[1:17 pm, 25/01/2021] +: We raised the problem of this ambiguous language before. 'Impose a cap' is a clear rule. 'Should limit' means don't have to. 'As much as possible', is totally discretionary.
[1:19 pm, 25/01/2021] +: This is unhelpful communication and causes doubt, uncertainty and conflict among households. One parent says invite lots of households, the other parent says, no mustn't. How does that get solved? The regulations are totally unclear.
Matthew
[1:37 pm, 25/01/2021] +: No offence Ben, i personally find it quite clear. One is the law, the other is just a recommendation.
Nats
[1:38 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Nah man the point is to change these recommendations into something legally-binding so people don't have much option to do otherwise
Matthew
[1:38 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It's hard to enforce
Nats
[1:39 pm, 25/01/2021] +: We all know that, thus my first message
Alvin
[1:40 pm, 25/01/2021] +: no one will take the 8 pax seriously until ppl get fined for it'
Nats
[1:41 pm, 25/01/2021] +: If we can't enforce, we can at least encourage people to do their own "note-taking"
Having something is better than having nothing
Alvin
[1:41 pm, 25/01/2021] +: the problem is we will create a culture of backstabbing if neigbours follow the advise and others didn't and they start reporting those who flout the rules
Boon
[1:47 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Agreed!
REACH
[2:33 pm, 25/01/2021] +: All bicycles used on S'pore public paths, roads will soon be required to have brakes
All bicycles used on public paths and roads must soon have at least one functioning handbrake after the Government accepted a proposal to mandate such a move.
Safety concerns from the use of brakeless bicycles arose following a fatal accident last year.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/all-bicycles-used-on-public-paths-and-roads-must-soon-have-brakes
[2:52 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
"Severe allergic reactions to Moderna coronavirus vaccine appear rare, says CDC report, United States News & Top Stories - The Straits Times" https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/severe-allergic-reactions-to-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-appear-rare-says-cdc
Caleb
[2:54 pm, 25/01/2021] +: hmmm, is they why HSA not yet approve for emergency use
Alvin
[2:56 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Isn't Moderna the one using traditional method in their vaccine?
Caleb
[2:57 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Nope
REACH
[2:57 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Integrated Shield Plan now covers Covid-19 vaccine complications that lead to hospitalisation
All seven Integrated Shield Plan (IP) insurers are extending coverage to Covid-19 vaccination complications that result in hospitalisation.
This will apply to all IP policyholders who receive Covid-19 vaccines approved by the Health Sciences Authority and are vaccinated in Singapore, the Life Insurance Association, Singapore (LIA Singapore) said on Monday (Jan 25).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/integrated-shield-plan-now-covers-covid-19-vaccination-complications-that-lead-to
Caleb
[2:57 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It is SINOVAC. China brand
[3:14 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Coronavirus: is China ready for the mRNA vaccine revolution?
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-china-ready-mrna-vaccine-111217918.html
[3:15 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/canadian-study-says-oral-medicine-effective-in-treating-covid-19
[3:18 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
There are reports that say inactivated virus vaccines - are more difficult to adapt to new mutated variants.
mRNA vaccines can adapt to mutated variants better.
[3:18 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Seems like Pfizer-BioNTech and moderna vaccines - are our current hope now.
[3:22 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
AstraZeneca use virus vector and Sinovac use inactivated virus vaccine.
Both are not using mRNA.
Caleb
[3:36 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Less car bah. With now most WFH
Alvin
[3:36 pm, 25/01/2021] +: No bro already many have gone back to work
REACH
[3:38 pm, 25/01/2021] +: 44 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore, all imported
There were 44 new coronavirus cases confirmed as at Monday noon (Jan 25), all of which were imported.
The imported cases had been placed on stay-home notice on arrival in Singapore, said the Ministry of Health (MOH).
There were no new cases in the community or from workers' dormitories.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/44-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-all-imported
Alvin
[3:41 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Especially if daily cases for import at always at 3 digits
Ben
[3:56 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It would be interesting to know the ratio of returning Singaporeans to foreign visitors. Do people on the same plane get told they were sharing with Covid positive passengers?
[4:05 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Just a question for MOH.
1. Will MOH evaluate if the vaccines such as AstraZeneca, spuntik that use virus vector and Sinovac, Sinopharm that use inactivated virus vaccines - effective against mutated variants such as the UK, SAfrica, Brazil strains?
2. If they are not found to be effective unlike the mRNA one like Pfizer-BioNTech, moderna or even our Lunar covid vaccine - will MOH consider not rolling them out as vaccines for our population?
3. As we do not have a choice to choose the vaccines we want, we need to be given the assurance that we are given a vaccine that does protect us for future mutations.
Caleb
[4:05 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Well the things is we don't even know how long the vaccine will last
[4:05 pm, 25/01/2021] +: So every year or after a period need to jab again
[4:06 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That one come later.
A booster may be required.
But if covid dies out like SARS - a booster may not be required.
[4:08 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
4. We do not want a case whereby we sign early with Sinovac, we are forced to use it - even though it doesn't protect us from the mutated variants.
Ken
[4:08 pm, 25/01/2021] +: 2. Spend Liao unlikely to throw away bah..
3. If you get to choose then so call less effective one no one want
[4:09 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
We should look at medical outcome.
Not spend must use - if it doesn't deliver the right medical outcome.
[4:10 pm, 25/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Note that China health authority have not approve any of their vaccines yet.
At the same time, they are ramping up mRNA vaccines production.
REACH
[5:08 pm, 25/01/2021] +: 10-year plan for Singapore manufacturing to grow 50% by 2030: Chan Chun Sing
A new 10-year plan to grow Singapore's manufacturing sector by 50 per cent and maintain its share of about 20 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) was announced by Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing on Monday (Jan 25).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/10-year-plan-for-singapore-manufacturing-to-grow-50-by-2030-chan-chun-sing
Valli
[5:15 pm, 25/01/2021] +: It touches 50, alarm bells should start.
Those workforce & visitors that we do not need for this period, should put a break on it.
REACH
[5:52 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Seniors may get up to 80% subsidy for shared caregiving service in S'pore's first assisted living flats
Seniors who wish to live in Singapore's first assisted living flats may be eligible for government subsidies of up to 80 per cent for shared caregiving service which includes showering, dressing and moving around.
The means-tested subsidy will be based on household income and the type of help required, said Minister for Social and Family Development Masagos Zulkifli on Monday (Jan 25), during a visit to the Community Care Apartments exhibition at the HDB Hub atrium in Toa Payoh.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/seniors-may-get-up-to-80-subsidy-for-shared-caregiving-services-in-spore-first
REACH
[6:20 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Dear contributors,
We would like to hear more from you on today's topic. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Meganπ
Alvin
[6:25 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Going to mention this again. We can use whatever word we want, encourage, advise, remind etc but for a person to say this to strangers it’s not going to be well received. Some many retort, ignore or even threaten. The best “encouragement” is to just do our own part.
REACH
[6:48 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Dear Contributors!
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Nats
[6:49 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Why everytime this new Megan open the chat then the OG Megan close it one ah hahaha you two on shifts isit
Alvin
[6:50 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Gdnite Megan!
REACH
[7:01 pm, 25/01/2021] +: Dear Contributors,
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