REACH 179 - Views on Vaccine strategy (SK)
05 Jan 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[0:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: π’ Topic π’
Health Minister Gan Kim Yong shared details of Singapore’s vaccination roll-out on Monday (Jan 4) in Parliament.
π¬ What are your views of our vaccine strategy in our fight against the pandemic?
️⃣ More Covid-19 vaccines, including those from Moderna and Sinovac, are expected to arrive in Singapore in the next few months.
️⃣ You’ll need to make a prior booking before getting vaccinated.
️⃣ Those who opt to get vaccinated against Covid-19 will not be able to choose which vaccine they want as this will "unnecessarily complicate the already complex vaccination programme".
️⃣ The vaccines which will be distributed in Singapore should protect against the new, more transmissible strain from the UK
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Caleb
[0:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: No 2: hope will make easier for ppl who are less tech savvy to make a booking.
Alvin
[0:11 pm, 05/01/2021] +: TBH, I do not like the policy of not being able to choose which vaccine. Gov should allow those who wants to choose their respective vaccine to pay for it. Give them an option. However, since all vaccines side effects will be covered by Gov, it will still give ppl a good reason to get vacinated.
[0:11 pm, 05/01/2021] +: My 2.14 cents
Caleb
[0:12 pm, 05/01/2021] +: No. 4: saw in CNN I think, vaccine may not work for Africa mutated virus
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[0:13 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Agree that prior booking is required before getting vaccination. This is essentially giving our own consent to vaccinate.
2. As for not able to choose the type of vaccines to vaccinate - appreciate that the government could release more information which group of people are more suitable for what type of vaccines - to reassure the public that the best safety and efficacy are accorded to the different groups of people.
Nats
[0:14 pm, 05/01/2021] +: From a Supply and Demand perspective, how can we weigh options across everyone? Surely we'll have to try all of the approved vaccines
If everyone gets to choose I think it'll lead to even more problems
[0:15 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Gahmen is trying to reassure people but I think if the point wasn't pointed out, people wouldn't think much either
Cuz it's obvious the word "should" isn't assuring
[0:16 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
British scientists worried vaccines may not work on South African coronavirus variant: Media
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/uk-scientists-worried-vaccines-may-not-work-on-south-african-coronavirus-variant-media
Alvin
[0:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Agree to disagree. If you ask ppl to pay if they want to choose vs free one and both side effects are covered by Gov. Kiasu sinkies will take the free one since if got side effects just claim from Gov lor. Why need to pay for free vaccine leh?
[0:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Yet there may be some who wish to get specific vaccine and they can afford then by all means go ahead.
Nats
[0:18 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Ya ah but eventually is how to estimate the demand so we don't bring in too many or too little
Ken
[0:18 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Lol... don’t think too much one problem at a time.
If not required don’t travel full stop. If they come in we can control we go out is up to chance
Alvin
[0:30 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Gov dun have to manage this. If a person wants a specific vaccine, it's up to them to find the clinics or hospital with those vaccine. If they can't find any they will give up and go for the specific one. But at least give them an option. My 2.14 cents.
[0:30 pm, 05/01/2021] +: *go for the generic one
Nats
[0:32 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Sorry ah but I don't get your 2.14 cents for this one
It's the nationwide stock that we're talking about, how can we gauge?
[0:32 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Then the pandemic is not resolved - and come back to the square one.
Ken
[0:33 pm, 05/01/2021] +: The thing is there is no way to solve it.
Soon will become a norm, since the death rate is actually quite low
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Then why vaccinate if cannot resolve?
Caleb
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I thought is high?
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] +: if not all will just treat it like flu
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] +: like the H1N1
Ken
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Compare to Ebola and MERS
[0:34 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Is consider quite low bah
[0:35 pm, 05/01/2021] +: We have more death from dengue if I am not wrong
[0:35 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Just like flu we have to jab every 2 years change arh
[0:35 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Due to the high mutation rate
[0:40 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Tweaking the mRNA type of vaccines to tackle the mutations seems easier.
But for those that takes the inactivate virus type of vaccines, tweaking the vaccines don't come easy according to earlier report.
Wonder how to help this group of people who are given the inactivate virus type of vaccines to counter mutations?
Caleb
[0:41 pm, 05/01/2021] +: take another jab?
Ken
[0:42 pm, 05/01/2021] +: The inactive virus takes time to culture mah.. and to have similarities with the live virus but yet retain the effectiveness. Of course hard
mRNA is quite common and easy to make.. just take time but the storage is not stable need very cold
[0:43 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
So those who get the inactivate virus vaccines - suay lah?
Then seems like those who get the mRNA get jackpot.
[0:44 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Understand that China is setting up a new plant to develop the mRNA vaccines as well.
Alvin
[0:51 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Don’t need to gauge. Just roll out as per normal. Those who want specific vaccine it’s their on onus to search for it. But give us an option to do that, that’s all.
Ken
[0:58 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Not really... we only know when we get hit by it. π€·π»♂️
Caleb
[0:59 pm, 05/01/2021] +: https://www.todayonline.com/voices/noise-renovations-hdb-could-do-more-notify-work-home-residents-digital-means?cid=tdy%20tg_tg-am_social-msging-free_09102018_today
I totally agree with this article
[1:01 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Inactivate virus vaccines means mutations hit - then culture the new virus and then make vaccines like taking another new vaccines.
mRNA is only tweaking the spike protein - like from version 1 to version 2.
So those who take the inactivate virus vaccines is like getting another jab for new virus.
[1:02 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Or 2 jabs to be effective.
Nats
[1:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Especially when all the drilling come together at the same time like walao tak boleh tahan
Ken
[1:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: The inactive virus means they have everything a virus but reaction variable due to that also..
How your body breakdown and recongise the virus.... so maybe strong have better vaccine then others depends on luck.
mRNA is everyone get the same one.. so if don’t work all don’t work.
REACH
[1:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Parliament: World Economic Forum participants to undergo rigorous Covid-19 testing
Participants attending the World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting in Singapore this May will have to abide by strict public health requirements, said Minister of State for Trade and Industry Alvin Tan on Tuesday (Jan 5).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-world-economic-forum-participants-to-undergo-rigorous-covid-19-testing
[1:04 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
So we need the government to release more information - to reassure the public what vaccines for what group of people.
So that public will not do the guessing - and will take the vaccines as prescribed.
Ken
[1:05 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Err I not expert, is based on my understanding of life sciences just sharing some views might not be totally correct π€·π»♂️
Rama
[1:06 pm, 05/01/2021] +: We cannot choose vaccine at the moment as there's only one. What about later when there's more!?
Ken
[1:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Cause not enough supply arh... if you choose then everyone also want to choose then the other vaccine how?
Caleb
[1:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: they said cannot choose
Ken
[1:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: In a ideal if we have enough vaccine to go around this won’t happen mah
Rama
[1:08 pm, 05/01/2021] +: For now i understand. Later, how will each type of different vaccine be allocated?
[1:08 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I lagi not expert in medical sciences.
I only use logic and analysis to discuss the facts as presented.
We only can rely on government medical experts to make decisions for us based on the best conscientious outcome.
Caleb
[1:08 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I guess random
[1:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: most vaccines will be for about 16 years old bah
[1:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: *above
[1:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: depending on the stock
[1:09 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Random is not a good answer.
Appropriate vaccines for appropriate health group is the right answer.
Caleb
[1:12 pm, 05/01/2021] +: is it better multiple reno in the block to do at the same time? or spread out on a continue weeks?
[1:13 pm, 05/01/2021] +: maybe HDB can allocate week of the month, renov is being able to do for the blk.
So residents of the blk can work from somewhere else for that week.
[1:14 pm, 05/01/2021] +: base on the 2 upcoming brands, I think they are all for the same health group.
Nats
[1:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I'd rather spread out tbh, if everything at the same time, your ears will bleed, your brain will baozha
[1:16 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Don't know, government medical experts should provide the answer.
Which group are more suitable for which type of vaccines - based on the best medical outcome.
Not because of random or no stock.
REACH
[1:22 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Electricity demand expected to rebound as economy recovers from COVID-19 fallout: MTI
Electricity demand is expected to rebound as Singapore’s economy recovers from the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the Government is working to diversify energy supplies, said Second Minister for Trade and Industry Tan See Leng on Tuesday (Jan 5).
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/electricity-demand-dropped-covid-19-expected-to-rebound-mti-13895548
[1:35 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Else many people will want to choose mRNA thinking is the best for them - when actually the inactivate virus vaccine is more suitable for them based on the medical outcome.
Medical experts prescribing the right types of vaccines for the right groups - with detail information will be the best approach to allay the fear of the public and the desire for people who want to choose the type of vaccines thinking it is the best for them but actually the other type provide the best medical outcome.
[1:59 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Eg. There are reported cases where some who takes the mRNA vaccines got serious allergic response.
But no reported cases (or not reported) - of serious allergic reaction for those who take the inactivated virus vaccines.
[2:03 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
So this type of medical outcome or information for example - will allay the fear of public that the medical experts based on the best medical outcome prescribed the appropriate type of vaccines to the appropriate group.
This will help to prevent people from choosing or worst choose the wrong type for themselves.
After all public trust the government medical experts to make decisions that is best for us - not because of inadequate supply or other reasons.
Alvin
[2:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Those who want to choose pay for their own vaccine
[2:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: End up many won’t choose
[2:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: That’s the likely scenario
Ken
[2:04 pm, 05/01/2021] +: The problem is don’t have supply for public sales bah...
If not countries won’t have to queue so long
Alvin
[2:04 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Not public sales. You make appointment and find out if have the vac you want. If have you pay online before going to Jab.
[2:05 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Simple process
Ken
[2:05 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Available?
Alvin
[2:05 pm, 05/01/2021] +: You mean availability?
Ken
[2:05 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Have this option meh?
Ken
[2:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Nope so I’m suggesting to REACH
[2:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Hopefully it reaches higher up ears
Ken
[2:08 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I see... for now unlikely till 2024... π
Gobal demand too high don’t think any hospital can get their hands on it
Alvin
[2:15 pm, 05/01/2021] +: True
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: But my guess is the general public may not take the vaccination until it’s almost mandatory or the free vaccination is going to be over
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: That’s my gut feeling
Ken
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Unless you don’t mind Sinovac think should have a lot lol
Alvin
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Eg if you need to vaccine then can travel abroad then ppl will start taking
Ken
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Tested by billions of people by now I guess? π€£
Alvin
[2:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Or if gov announce free vaccination is almost over then you’ll see a mad rush to queue for the vaccine
[2:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: My 2.14 cents
[2:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: It’s a psychological thing
Ken
[2:18 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Depends like the mask now also no one wants Liao
Alvin
[2:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Cos supply more than demand now
[2:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Pull the rug underneath
[2:20 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Cut the supply and will have a mad rush again
Poh S Lim
[2:31 pm, 05/01/2021] +65 9617 1577: Masks not equal to vaccine, supply is still below demand and needs pharma manufacturing, not the same as masks which is not a technology item
Ken
[2:32 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Not many companies can switch over easily like making mask. Takes years to have a teams to scale to workable factory.
Fulgrim
[3:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I think the vaccine we had to buy
Sinovac also for political reasons
[3:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: We cannot be seen to be pro US too much also
[3:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: As for efficacy
[3:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Just don't be the first ones to take the vaccine
[3:20 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Wait for more pple to be "clinical trial" group π
[3:20 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I more concerned with the trace together info being accessed by the police
[3:21 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Does that mean the trace together token is here to stay permenantly?
Rama
[3:26 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Possibly
Ken
[3:26 pm, 05/01/2021] +: https://www.facebook.com/129011692114/posts/10157601316632115/?d=n
Wonder if they used it to track them down? Lol
Nats
[3:27 pm, 05/01/2021] +: So this was what the paid surveys meant by fear of erosion of privacy
Ken
[3:28 pm, 05/01/2021] +: If not how to earn so much from survey... some survey can earn up to $50 per survey
Nats
[3:28 pm, 05/01/2021] +: No that's not the point
[3:36 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Cell base information with location tracking system like GPS more effective.
Can track location and location coordinate up to 1 feet.
Nats
[3:36 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Please not again.
[3:37 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Tracetogether is only for proximity and contact tracing - it does not provide the location of crime.
Rama
[3:37 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I believe so
Ken
[3:39 pm, 05/01/2021] +: But you can identify people they have high contact with... so to identifying cell members.
Example of the person sell drugs, you will go back to him/her more often if the person is the supplier. And have no relationship other than purchasing.
[3:40 pm, 05/01/2021] +: That’s what I thought I would do if I given the data.
[3:42 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes. As secondary proof of evidence.
Cell base information also provide the same with exact coordinate information with date and time stamp.
Before tracetogether - cell base information is use to track crime, prosecute, and even can target terrorism.
Ken
[3:42 pm, 05/01/2021] +: If the person is in contact with certain people at given time, if the person willing to share the data TraceTogether with cell phone data. Will able to narrow the location of the person easily π
[3:42 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes as added confirmation.
Ken
[3:43 pm, 05/01/2021] +: But those can use for prosecution? Or just for confirmation?
[3:43 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Many are not discussed other than maybe used for criminal investigation
[3:44 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Confirmation during investigation for prosecution to proof he is in the vicinity just like CCTV.
[3:45 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
How top terrorists are track is because they switch on their handphone and communicate.
No need tracetogether.
Ken
[3:48 pm, 05/01/2021] +: TraceTogether can act as a layer to remove the noise.
As if you are terrorist you more likely not to on your TraceTogether, but still hold a cell phone. Anyway off topic lol just interesting to know how much can be done
[3:49 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Recently one guy got assassinated by satellite base GPS triggering machine gun on him.
That's is what cell base can do.
Rama
[3:52 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Iranian civilian head of nuclear programme
[3:52 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes
Ken
[3:52 pm, 05/01/2021] +: That is advance predator UAV wor...
[3:53 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Predator drone also use the same technique.
IoT, AI, face recognition, image processing etc...
[3:54 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why tracetogether is just chicken feet.
No need to get upset by it if police want to use it.
Ken
[3:55 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Not really upset just a useful tool only.. anyway there are more tools that we dont know TraceTogether just a known tool that’s all
[3:55 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
R&D produce alot of things that many don't know.
Bobby Tan
[3:57 pm, 05/01/2021] +: TraceTogether needs to be improved. Only can scan QR code unlike SingPass Mobile whereby will show the nearby locations for check in.
Nats
[3:58 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Yes, we need this
Downside is people will anyhow check in (whether accidental or deliberate), plus side is beat the queue
[4:00 pm, 05/01/2021] +: If you guys noticed, if you scan those taxi SE QR, after the thing like expires, you will be redirected back to a long list of check-in locations, which actually should be done for SE in general too
I know LTA Hampshire SE also split into different levels per block, something worth knowing about too
REACH
[4:01 pm, 05/01/2021] +: 28 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore, with 26 imported and 2 in community
There were 28 new coronavirus cases confirmed as at Tuesday noon (Jan 5), taking Singapore's total to 58,749.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/28-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-including-2-in-the-community
Rama
[4:15 pm, 05/01/2021] +: https://mothership.sg/2021/01/tracetogether-how-to-delete-data/
Caleb
[4:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Delete. Then can't go anywhere when they start ToS at ALL places with SafeEntry.
[4:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: π€
Rama
[4:16 pm, 05/01/2021] +: π€·♀️
Nats
[4:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Then don't go out lor, either cooperate or maybe get someone to get you whatever from wherever lol
Ben
[4:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: π€
Caleb
[4:17 pm, 05/01/2021] +: https://www.facebook.com/93889432933/posts/10157999172322934/
[4:22 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Took alot of effort in design this TraceTogether.
Can put more effort on communication to citizens?
+65 9231 3513 left
[5:05 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I just did some preliminary check.
Tracetogether token only broadcast its Mac address.
I couldn't detect any IP v4 or IPv6 addreess.
This means it is not an IoT and thus not possible to be hack through internet - the token can't cross a router.
So look like tracetogether token is a good source of integrity.
Handphone come with ip address that is routable and can be access by internet.
Rama
[5:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Thanks for the update
Alvin
[5:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Wow nice work ππ»
Ken
[5:09 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Oh you are IT back ground?
[5:10 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yap.
Caleb
[5:20 pm, 05/01/2021] +: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=407151043730823
REACH
[5:26 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Singapore retail sales fall 1.9% in November as events like Black Friday boost recovery
Retail sales in Singapore dipped 1.9 per cent year-on-year in November, an improvement from the revised 8.5 per cent fall in October, according to figures released by the Department of Statistics (SingStat) on Tuesday (Jan 5).
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/retail-food-beverage-sales-black-friday-singles-day-recovery-13896162
[5:34 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Tracetogether token - Mac address.
Not hackable through internet.
So those who carry the tracetogether token is safer.
[5:37 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Handphone ipv4 address.
Can be hack through internet.
So those who use tracetogether token is safer.
Caleb
[5:43 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Why Vivian kept quiet when be knew about the CPC where Police can request it for investigation?
[5:45 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Actually from the start I don't believe the gov will not allow police to have the data for investigation.π€£
[5:45 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Especially SafeEntry
[5:46 pm, 05/01/2021] +: The day they said it's strictly for MOH contact tracing.
Alvin
[5:46 pm, 05/01/2021] +: SaferTogether
[5:47 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why I propose to the government that token is safer.
[5:48 pm, 05/01/2021] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Through good faith, not through blind faith.
REACH
[5:49 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Dear contributors, please be reminded to keep to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Nats
[5:50 pm, 05/01/2021] +: It's robust and active when the topic derails, and then you'll ask yourself
Alvin
[5:51 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I still think we shouldn’t restrict those who want to “choose” the vaccine. They will have to pay for it and wait or hunt the vaccine themselves.
YT
[5:51 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Any one has any idea when or how the TT tokens will be distributed to school children? I recall reading that the government will be issuing to all students. So, I didn't collect for my kids.
Alvin
[5:52 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Psychological there will be an initial wave for those who are front line staff to get vaccinated
[5:52 pm, 05/01/2021] +: After that likely there will be a vacuum of vaccinations
Caleb
[5:52 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Thru the sch lor
Alvin
[5:53 pm, 05/01/2021] +: You will see more trickle in when travel opens up and ppl need to be vaccinated to be able to travel
Nats
[5:53 pm, 05/01/2021] +: He ask when bruv not where
Alvin
[5:53 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Beyond that ppl will still likely not be vaccinated unless have some push factor
Nats
[5:53 pm, 05/01/2021] +: "Die! Or you die!"
Alvin
[5:53 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Like when the free vaccination program is ending
[5:54 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Then will xiasuay rush again
Caleb
[5:54 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Oh, ard end Feb lor. When all the stock arrived
[5:54 pm, 05/01/2021] +: 60percent say they will take ma
Alvin
[5:54 pm, 05/01/2021] +: My 2.14cents pending GST increase
[5:54 pm, 05/01/2021] +: π€
Nats
[5:55 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Sounds like the uptake of TT lol
Caleb
[5:57 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Will the vaccine end up become mandatory like the ToS?
Nats
[5:58 pm, 05/01/2021] +: It's a possibility, if there's such a thing called COVID passport, there'll be vaccine passports too
Question is whether we really need to go there in a local context
Bobby Tan
[5:59 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Very good initiative and vaccines should not be allowed to choose. As we are not medical experts and we should let the medical experts decide. Vaccines maybe a yearly affairs to ensure minimum covid-19 infection or spread.
Ben
[6:00 pm, 05/01/2021] +: 1. Irrelevant since we can't choose and don't have much info about each of them.
2. Do we book or do we get selected?
3.yes very complicated, I agree. Maybe info can be provided about which is suitable for who so we don't feel like sheep, or refuse to take it
4. Yes, and continued evolving strains for some time
[6:02 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Gov should publish its strategy on vaccine rollout, which must be based on availability and/or demographics
[6:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: If there is no difference between vaccines then rollout is based purely on parameters such as age, job, health condition etc.
Rama
[6:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: GKY says it's possible current vaccine we have can inoculate against the new covid-19 strain. Based on sound scientific evidence?
[6:04 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Where the law is concern, it covers every Avenue without the neeΔ to specify.
[6:06 pm, 05/01/2021] +: There's a financial reimbursement for genuine setbacks when using the approved vaccine so choice is out.
[6:07 pm, 05/01/2021] +: What will happen to the vaccines shelf life with the prolong gap!?
Alvin
[6:11 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Eh? Don’t understand what you mean bro lol
Rama
[6:13 pm, 05/01/2021] +: For the pfizer vaccine. Should there be side effects, government has a scheme to offset the subsequent cost but they don't expect a volume of negative aude effects.
[6:13 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Side*
Dan
[6:13 pm, 05/01/2021] +: I'm grateful that the government is doing this for the people.
1 question I have is :
In view of the rise on cases from mutated coronavirus in UK, the government can further explain to the people if the vaccines work on the mutated virus.
REACH
[6:19 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Owning digital plans to 3D-print guns without licence to be made a crime after new Bill passed
Parliament on Tuesday (Jan 5) passed a Bill that would make owning digital blueprints of a gun or gun part without licence illegal.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/parliament-passes-bill-blueprint-gun-without-licence-illegal-13896430
Rama
[6:20 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Right move
Ken
[6:21 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Agree the risk is there..
Rama
[6:22 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Yes
Bobby Tan
[6:29 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Yes, very good move.
YT
[6:38 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Didn't even think this could be done. Now that they mentioned it, there will surely be people who want to try doing it. In any case, good that the government is anticipating this and looking out for the general population.
Nats
[6:38 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Ya ah sometimes don't mention is better lol
Alvin
[6:39 pm, 05/01/2021] +: But without gunpowder can the gun work?
Nats
[6:40 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Lol meanwhile rob bank without gun also can work hor remember Standard Chartered π
Elena
[6:45 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Agree with No. 2. Coz esp people with allergy issues, you won't know if ever they will trigger bad reaction if they get Pfizer or Moderna.
REACH
[6:46 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Dear Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
Booby Tan
[6:49 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Good night. Megan
Alvin
[6:50 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Gdnite Megan
Nats
[6:50 pm, 05/01/2021] +: If you try to rob a bank with a 3D printed gun dun cry when get shot by the security
Boon
[6:55 pm, 05/01/2021] +65 9127 4138: Dear REACH, would there be feedback to this (and other groups) on the tangible outcomes that these discussions have led to?
Rama
[6:59 pm, 05/01/2021] +: πππ€✋ππ
Desmond Koh
[7:02 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Erm not a good comparison since the virus is not wide spread..
REACH
[7:03 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
+changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group.
REACH
[8:08 pm, 05/01/2021] +: More than 300,000 Singaporeans have used SingapoRediscovers vouchers, with $35.9m in bookings made
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/consumer/more-than-300000-singaporeans-have-used-singaporediscovers-vouchers-with-359m
REACH
[8:18 pm, 05/01/2021] +: Police can access TraceTogether data only through person involved in criminal probe: Vivian Balakrishnan
Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan told Parliament on Tuesday (Jan 5) that the police can access TraceTogether data only by requiring a person involved, or assisting, in a criminal investigation to produce his smartphone or his token.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/police-can-access-tracetogether-data-only-through-person-involved-in-criminal
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