REACH 270 - Views on the resurgence of Covid-19 cases? What can we do as a community to break this new wave of cases? (SK)
6 Sep 2021 (10am - 7pm)
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[0:00 pm, 06/09/2021] +REACH: ๐ข Topic ๐ข
At an MTF press conference on 3 Sept (Fri), Health Minister Ong Ye Kung emphasised that personal responsibility and community resilience are "alternate lines of defence" to keeping the Covid-19 situation under control. He said, "This next phase of the journey depends critically on everyone's civic consciousness and social responsibility. So let's take care of ourselves and the people around us."
There were 186 locally transmitted Covid-19 cases yesterday. Out of which, 32 cases were linked to staff at eight bus interchanges. There were also six new cases linked to the Changi General Hospital cluster, bringing the total there to 46.
๐ฌ What are your views on the resurgence of Covid-19 cases? What can we do as a community to break this new wave of cases?
MOH added that the Government will continue to strengthen our tools such as calibrating our safe management measures, testing more extensively and contact tracing more surgically to reduce and identify infections early.
Singapore will also begin transiting towards the next phase of our National Vaccination Programme by commencing a booster programme in September 2021. MOH will start to administer booster Covid-19 vaccination shots to those who are moderately to severely immunocompromised, those aged 60 and above, as well as residents of aged care facilities.
๐https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/number-of-covid-19-cases-linked-to-bus-interchanges-grows-to-469-with-32-new-cases
๐https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/spore-to-maintain-current-covid-19-measures-will-rely-on-vaccination-and-testing-to
๐https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-vaccines-are-40-effective-against-infection-in-spore-very-effective-against
๐ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-can-book-covid-19-test-at-20-quick-test-centres-from-oct-1
๐https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-booster-shots-for-seniors-aged-60-and-above-and-immunocompromised-people-from
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[0:07 pm, 06/09/2021] +YT: My views: People are getting careless and complacent. Many are not heeding safe distancing. When queuing, you can see people standing so close to one another. And there doesn't seem to be any regard for avoiding crowded places any more. There are too many people in the malls, etc., Also, there are too many inconsiderate people who insist on not seeing a doctor even though they are unwell. They prefer to self medicate or worse, some even go to work or school as normal. What we can do as a community is perhaps to strengthen the messaging again.
[0:46 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: Cannot believe that there are still cases in the migrant workers domitories despite all the measures and government funded IT system put up in place at construction sites since last year.
There must be still loopholes need to be patched.
One possible loophole likely to be are the site inspectors/supervisor/project managers that going in and out site on daily basis and, out of their duties, crossing and mingling with migrant workers across different zones.
We should seriously looking nto this and change the way how these group of inspectors/supervisors/project managers carry out their works, be it through technologies adoption, working off-site, or additional measure to segregate them from the workers.
[0:51 pm, 06/09/2021] +XaniceAfcai: I saw workers half mask, no mask etc...while working..
Took a photo n report via, oneservice app stating the company name.
[0:53 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ken Loh: If they work alone, I have no issue.
Not easy to work outdoor with mask
[0:53 pm, 06/09/2021] +XaniceAfcai: Not only that.. Some maskless already esp when loitering downstairs, walking around neighbourhood, take lift, go carpark etc.
When i avoid the lift with them, they still ask what wrong huh..
[1:01 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: ๐ฌ What are your views on the resurgence of Covid-19 cases? What can we do as a community to break this new wave of cases?
Haven’t I mention for the umpteen time before that we shouldn’t allow 50% back to office and WFH as the default mode?
This is call we deserve it. I don’t expect cases to come down soon and maybe even hit infection rate of 500 per day. You can expect Oxygen and ICU numbers to rise over time.
I heard the effects of covid are long lasting and those who recover still have varied lingering side effects. I hope these are worth the sacrifice for GDP. Tbh I don’t agree with these policies at all. My 2.14 cents
[1:03 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: The relaxation of measures are too fast. Suspect that the cases have already spun out of control due to so many unlinked cases. Now the unprotected younger generation are at high risk. ๐
[1:04 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: +1
[1:05 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: If the transition to endemic is after the younger generation are also protected, i think it is a better time but definitely not now.
[1:05 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: +1
[1:06 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: What if the long last effects hit the younger generation? As they are now more vulnerable? I think this sounds like it is trading the future pillars for current economy progress?
[1:09 pm, 06/09/2021] +Jack: Recent many unlinked cases going up and up.. Gov need to know why this happened? Is it because the device not working, batteries die or taking public transport no scan? Only the the root cause then can resolve the unlinked cases. For examples If need to gov should install auto scan in the MRT gate or buses when passengers take the mrt or buses like those shopping already have when people Bluetooth is turn on. Unless those people really never carried phone or the device. Just my thoughts.
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] +An fan: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-cases-linked-to-bus-interchange-clusters-rise-to-416-cgh-cluster-grows-to-36-with
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
So what are you suggesting?
Don't vaccinate is it?
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: think the whole game plan needs to be relook at
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: covid is a social virus , it need human as median to spread
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] +Jack: This is very concern for the unable to take vaccination like baby n young children
[1:11 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: thus the most acient way is to curb foot print in the society but like many other countries we cannot
[1:12 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: effects and shown ho the public cry for leisure activities / fnb to resume
[1:12 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: while business cry of closing down
[1:13 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is it possible to get a win win, yes but how much we are willing to give up the norm
[1:14 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/doctor-says-gunshot-victims-forced-154536833.html
Doctor says gunshot victims forced to wait for treatment as Oklahoma hospitals fill up with people overdosing from ivermectin.
[1:14 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
This is what you have suggested.
This is the outcome.
[1:15 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-vaccines-are-40-effective-against-infection-in-spore-very-effective-against Covid-19 vaccines are 40% effective against infection in S'pore, 'very effective' against severe illness.
[1:16 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: and instead of banging so much of opening up travel industry (100% open) can we not start to explore how we can self survival
[1:16 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: It's good the 60s and above can get their 3rd shot.
[1:16 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: in the basic of stuff thus opening new corners of economy ?
[1:17 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: time to consider about self survival thus enabling the gears of the scocial- economy to still run at gear 2 when things really needs to slow down
[1:17 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: does not mean got money can get you anything or everything you want .. one day even with money u will not be able to buy what u needs
[1:18 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: +1
[1:18 pm, 06/09/2021] +An fan: https://nus.edu.sg/newshub/news/2021/2021-04/2021-04-26/RISK-lhzb-26apr-p2.pdf
[1:18 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: I like the point of self-survivor....
Food security and energy security are the two interesting and fundamental aspect to start with... How can be self sustain while keeping the cost of living status quo.
[1:19 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: i see this as a cycle , your own market, = empolyment and purchase power (small but better than zero)
[1:19 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: socially residents of singapore a just being self fish and cntre
[1:20 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: seriously do we need to eat out ?
[1:20 pm, 06/09/2021] +XaniceAfcai: Regardless how much protection our gov is trying to protect us. We all must do apart to protect ourselves by following the smm.
Else all effort goes down the drain. It takes 2 hands to clap.
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is sickening to see how society is still asking for please open up for fnb
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: please open up for air travel and please no quarantine terms
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: hello singapore is vaccinated world top
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: so what
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Researchers find no serious health effects linked to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
mRNA vaccines are very safe for used
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEBucJHNLBJigGmEkaHrBa2gqMwgEKioIACIQZdRflS9INK7zM5FkBi3R3CoUCAoiEGXUX5UvSDSu8zORZAYt0dwwr47MBg?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958205
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines: No Serious Health Risks in Large Study.
[1:21 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: the rest of the world is still in shambles
[1:22 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: Or is no one looking into these unliked cases due to fatigue over the whole situation?
So, just let it be reported, look into it later?
Or r we short of manpower to look into it?
Or do these unlocked cases not carry their TT devices w them ? Or just not forthcoming w the info in wher they hv bn?
[1:22 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: We have to import (almost) everything including the fundamentals like food and energy... Hence we have to open up and trade and allow movements of people.
I do strongly agree that it takes all hands to clap, so everyone must do their part.
At the same time, constantly hunting for systemic loopholes and have it patched.
[1:22 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: +1
[1:23 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: what WHO says is valid and worthy to consider , as long as 1 country is not vaccinated even for 1st shot the chances of recover is economical recovery is low as these rich countries will be fighting the new variants instead
[1:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: the real approach to the problem is globally
[1:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: minus all the politicians and their hands
[1:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: let WHO run the show
[1:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: stop the different pharma from competing (how many solutions we need to a problem 10 / 100 / million)
[1:25 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: consolidate the direction and consolidate all medical resources and make it grid networking
[1:25 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is crap to see flip flop reporting of each brand in the media on their results and effects almost every day
[1:26 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is pure misleading
[1:26 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/world-health-organization-corrupt-wasteful/
[1:26 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: yeah scrap them den let who run
[1:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: No intention to take credit away from anyone, but it would be risky to just rely on one entity to take up and run the whole show.
[1:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: the pharma ?those are commercial motivated organisation
[1:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is just like say no NATO is shit and corrupted
[1:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: at this point in time who can do the work other than WHO who have resources of the medical world
[1:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: o i forget yeah we shoudl let each govt run their show as well
[1:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: yeah see whats happening in usa/ uk/ isreal / japan / taiwan .......
[1:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: Amid everything else tt we r all experiencing now, I m extremely concerned over how much worse it can become if we were to open up our borders.. ...
We shd contain our own house first, plug more loopholes, b4 we can say tt we r ready to open.
Having said tt, I understand the nd to do so, but we shd do it on a more cautious note & the gov shd constantly keep on their toes to safeguard this country first - not clammed for rapid growth in GDP.
As long as the rest of the world is not fully towing the line, we shd not let our guard down.
[1:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: is a never ending cycle till human starts to work together .....
[1:29 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: we should be selective in who to let in and not let our guard down so what if ppl dun like quaratine
[1:29 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: do u want your society again to be lock down when these visitor leave?
[1:30 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: ** clammer for
[1:31 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: also people espically singapore have to be reminded vaccinated does not mean u in god mode !
[1:31 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: infact at this stage with information update vaccinated is 50% as dangerous as those not vaccinated cos they are the sleeper cell just that they do not die terribly as those not vaccinated
[1:32 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: Like the word 'God Mode' -- Way more complacent than complacent you mean? LoL...
[1:32 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: how come talk until WHO liao? lulz
[1:33 pm, 06/09/2021] +~RH: Implementation is key.
I think everyone is fatigued by the whole situation.
Unfortunately, the virus doesn't take a break.
We nd to hv more teams to back each other up then.
The gov shd consider having a secondary team to assist... One tt may help to inject new ideas to continue w fighting this virus.
So tt the old guards can take a step back to re assess the situation in a new light...
Sth like tt.. Hope u get wat I mean.
[1:33 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: if only someone ironfist like LKY around to steer us out of this
[1:34 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: we need leaders who are clear headed and very focus driven to get out of the woods
[1:34 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: then we need really stringent measures to curb the spread
[1:35 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: during these times, a little use of more draconian and authoritarian laws could help
[1:35 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: but i'm not sure what's the game plan from our leaders
[1:35 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: because this is not a country effort, it need global effort else is a endless cycle we are running into and resources will be ran out soon
[1:36 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: i can't sense it anyway, not from MMTF, NDP Rally, even from the different MPs
[1:36 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: like we maintain status quo revert back to pre-pandemic
[1:36 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: but didn't we already say "new normal"?
[1:36 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: one thing for sure is many here still living in lala land like telebubbie, everythign is good we have the iron curtain over our head , the weather will not fall we have TONS OF CASH IN OUR COUNTRY BANK....
[1:36 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: that's not "new normal" to me
[1:38 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
My comments :-
Recently, the infection number hit 3 digits and make record with 250 cases.
My close friend comments :-
When cases rise, serious cases rise proportionately.
Still can overwhelm healthcare capacity.
Open up carefully.
My comments :-
I think we need to do the following effectively :-
Part 1 - Vaccinate the remaining 20% population - to prevent serious illness and death.
Part 2 - Actively explore solutions that block the infection.
Part 3 - Important to keep track of effective treatment drug such as monoclonal treatment drug.
Part 4 - Keep current restriction measures intact, eg. wearing face mask, maintain 50% WFH and other social distancing measures. Ramp up test, trace and ringfence.
[1:38 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: You are placing so much confidence in a study involving less than 1000 people, which showed a very slight (possible) improvement in odds, but have doubts about a vaccine developed from studies stretching over 30 years, has over 4 billion doses administered to a few billion people worldwide .... ๐
[1:41 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: My take is:
1. Open up as soon as possible becos a small city state like us cannot just keep our doors shut.
2..we put in place measures to restore activities that we are confident with the number of cases that our health care system can cope with, and
3..we keeping a close eye on how the situation develops and relax/tighten as necessary --- and we have to do it this way becos no one really know the full picture of our enemy -- the ever mutating/evolving virus....
and our strategy has to evolves as the virus is evolving...
[1:43 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: One curcial unknown to the public is: what is the figure that our healthcare system can cope with ....
(Perhaps a strategic topic that cannot me made public?)
[1:44 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: that's not a long term plan, that's very myopic actually
[1:45 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: all these can be done at the MMTF level
[1:45 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: i'm talking about long term projects and visions
[1:46 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: Don't agree that we should put all eggs in 1 basket
Healthy competition is good for progress
You see "flip flop" (or lies?) .. i see it as updating or "marking to reality" as we gather more information and data. The virus is mutating, the situation, evolving, so it should not come as a surprise that there will be revisions and changes made along the way.
Which is more likely? That "they" got it right from the very beginning and hence no changes should ever be needed? Or decisions were being made based on the least negative outcome based on available information, weighed against prevailing risks of inaction...then adjusted along the way as experience/understanding/knowledge improves?
[1:46 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/italy-may-eventually-make-covid-19-vaccine-shots-compulsory-all-draghi-says-2152966 Italy could be the 1st EU country to make covid vaccination Mandatory for the whole population.
[1:46 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/governments-keeping-up-with-shifting-covid-19-vaccination-goals Governments around the world moving to scaling up vaccination - as new covid strains strike.
[1:46 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Vietnam sets Sep 15 deadline to vaccinate adults in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City.
Vietnam impose mandatory vaccination for all adults.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/vietnam-sets-sep-15-deadline-vaccinate-adults-hanoi-ho-chi-minh-city-2157901
[1:46 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
HK aim to achieve 100% Vaccination.
[1:47 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-moh-hsa-adverse-effects-facebook-post-2156761
To date, there have been no deaths directly linked to vaccination in Singapore, said the Ministry of Health.
[1:47 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
No Deaths From Vaccination In S’pore, Some Fatalities Due To Concurrent Medical Conditions: MOH.
https://mustsharenews.com/no-deaths-linked-vaccination/
[1:49 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: Can someone enlighten me why it takes so long and what's that real concern of 'mandating' vaccine? (Lack of full scientific data ? ...?)
[1:50 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: the WHO is not running the whole show.... they are nothing more than an attempt to unify and share medical knowledge and resources amongst members.
Every country is sovereign and has very obviously been implementing their own CV19 strategies
[1:51 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: totally agree
[1:51 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: Every country is sovereign and has very obviously been implementing their own CV19 strategies -> which does not bring them anywhere far,
[1:52 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: seems there is a race to see who is the winner , the country with least infection and can lead a normal life still hhahaha...
[1:52 pm, 06/09/2021] +An fan: Bren (@brenontheroad) Tweeted:
Tokyo's Medical Assoc. Chairman holds live press conference recommending #ivermectin to all doctors, for all Covid patients.
Japan's government is one of the most conservative and cautious in the world. Data is clear. Huge news.
https://t.co/rpuD8mSfJL https://t.co/B50sgryUDM
https://twitter.com/brenontheroad/status/1429624844379824129?s=20
[1:53 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: ivermectin - is this not advisable NOT SUITABLE FOR HUMAN as it is for animals? from the usa
[1:56 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: ok i'll give an example:
SG will invest 300 Billion in AI, Robotics and Biometrics for public infra and industries to rollout automated and bot services to minimize covid transmission and increase safety in coming decade.
1) Front Line Staff at points of entry to be augmented with Robots and Biometric systems.
2) Medical industry will utilize sophisticated AI to diagnose and predict possible infection of various diseases and viruses.
3) Transport and Logistics will be connected to Transport AI Node that can do predictive traffic load, routes the traffic amidst accidents and other advance automation.
Something like this but you get the gist
[1:58 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: That statement tells me "Bren" does not get out much nor understand Japanese society/culture .. in fact, also shows off ignorance of CV19 despite so much news/information on the topic being freely available
[2:00 pm, 06/09/2021] +Liew@SG: Nice vision for the AI related industry, not sure how the SMEs, hawkers see this.
[2:07 pm, 06/09/2021] +Rama: 16 weeks' jail for woman caught not wearing mask at MBS and several places https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/16-weeks-jail-for-woman-caught-not-wearing-mask-at-mbs-and-several-places?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[2:12 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: with regards to vaccination for our young ones there are different school of thoughts on in both us and uk
[2:13 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: so i hope our govt will take serious look at this .. is not about now but long run .. is a double edge sword
[2:13 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: It’s just an example. But the thing is during NDP rally I didn’t really hear much about the future vision and long term plans. End up it was mostly on race and low wage issues.
[2:13 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: as for 3rd booster the word from WHO they are not sure if it is effective and they are concern about the long term effect of the 3rd shot which have not under gone extensive studies
[2:14 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: cannot blame for the lack of insight as these race and social issue dun settle it will be more problematic locally on top of the global fight every country is facing
[2:15 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: also to go into ai path we need to grown an army of people to be able to handle this new sector else what depend on others again ..
[2:16 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: and when global crisis happen the supply got cut, local resident talent might take flight then how
[2:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Alvin Lim: I know these are teething issues that need to be resolved but they can be done at Ministry level. You can probably just mention it a bit and move on to bigger picture things. I mean we are quite harmonious with all races in sg.
The real gap is between the elites and the common man. Not so much of race but elite privileges. The growing gap is the real issue that should be address and I don’t mean just low wage workers but middle class as well. We are mostly taking the brunt of the rising cost of living. Just after PM Lee announce we need to support low wage workers by playing our part, my little girl’s infantcare sent out a circular informing of increase of fees starting Jan 2022 next year! That was pretty timely I must say! Lulz
Again my 2.14 cents.
[2:25 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: Ya. The top earn tok much!
[2:25 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: *too
[2:26 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: Too much, Until not enough to give more to the middle and lower income.
[2:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: in all society is the middle class that suffer the most .. like in army sergent always kenna the most
[2:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: till our society can wake up i think any social program (pay gap / living cost / race and harmony / covid) will still be an issue
[2:29 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: fyi parents if you have todlders and pre schoolers, i feel it is better to mask them up
[2:29 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: i still see people going out with these 2 types of kids wihtout mask
[2:29 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: seriously they think the covid got eye can ID these are toddlers / babies / pre schooler and skip them?
[2:30 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: this is especially for certain group of parents whom i observed seriously dun like to mask up their kids is really anti social behavior ....
[3:07 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/post-vaccine-infections-less-likely-to-lead-to-long-covid-19-study
Vaccinated people less likely to experience long covid if infected by covid.
[3:09 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/half-of-covid-19-patients-had-lingering-symptoms-one-year-later
Half of covid patients suffering from lingering symptoms of long covid - research shows - leading a miserable life.
Symptoms include pain or discomfort, difficulty breathing, lung damage, brain fog, mental problems such as depression and anxiety.
[3:09 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-symptoms-last-many-patients-020000930.html Covid symptoms last a year for many patients: study. Lingering long covid effects.
[3:10 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Report shows that 50% of those unvaccinated will get long covid.
Fully vaccinated people does not show any sign of long covid.
[3:12 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Malaysia toying with regular testing in endemic or mandatory vaccination.
[3:16 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: The fee hikes almost always come soon after G announce fiscal packages, especially when the handout is intended/targeted at supplementing childcare costs ... which makes one wonder, is the G supplementing the citizens or the childcare centre? ๐
[3:17 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: Hope SG can bring down the lower cost of ART test in SG too
[3:17 pm, 06/09/2021] +Caleb: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-can-book-covid-19-test-at-20-quick-test-centres-from-oct-1?utm_source=Telegram&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STTG&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
In fact, we want to strongly encourage everyone, whether you are vaccinated or not, to self-test regularly with antigen rapid test (ART) kits as a matter of social responsibility."
“We would encourage employers to see how they can make regular testing at workplaces a new norm
We want to encourage everyone to consider testing regularly, especially, for example, if you're going to participate in a high-risk activity or attend a large-scale event and you want to ensure you are free of the virus, test yourself on a regular basis," said Finance Minister Lawrence Wong, a co-chairman of the task force
[3:17 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
1. I try to convince an elderly that the vaccine has now granted full approval and is safe to use.
2. But he again repeat how the vaccine cause heart inflammation and quote several misinformation examples that people die after the jabs - despite I corrected him that the boy did not die but is now recovering and some death are not related to the vaccines.
3. I was informed that MOH call him to persuade him to vaccinate - but to no avail.
4. I have used soft, hard approach, persuade, coax, cajole - but just cannot make the harden vaccine fearful elderly from vaccination.
5. Someone say - maybe "nasal spray" - he can be persuaded - as a solution to block virus infection through the nose and mouth.
6. So I will like to suggest Government push out "nasal spray" as the vaccine option for those harden vaccine hesitant unvaccinated people. They could be more acceptable to the "nasal spray" vaccine option.
7. If tablet form is also available - maybe those harden vaccine hesitant unvaccinated people - will have less resistant to take.
8. This alternative vaccine delivery options maybe more palatable and less resistant to the last unvaccinated groups to vaccinate.
[3:17 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-experts-think-nasal-sprays-are-the-best-approach-for-covid-19-vaccines Why Some Experts Think Nasal Sprays Are the Best Approach for COVID-19 Vaccines.
[3:18 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: more like toying with another avenue to earn kopi $ ๐
[3:19 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: For Part 1, it shd also be enforced for younger than 12 yo when it is available. I dun agree with part 4 on allowing 50% wfh. This shd increase to at least 70% ba.
[3:20 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: Got english article for this?
[3:22 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-cardiologists-covid-vaccine-heart-patients.html
Medical specialists say that those who have undergone patients have survived heart failure, had bypass surgery or other surgeries to replace or fix heart valves or put in stents, - COVID-19 vaccine can help them prevent further heart and health complications. Vaccines is highly recommended for such patients.
[3:23 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: https://www.nuhs.edu.sg/sites/nuhs/NUHS%20Assets/News%20Documents/NUHS%20Corp/Media%20Releases/2021/Oral-hydrochloroquine-and-povidone-iodine-throat-spray-can-reduce-spread-of-covid-19-in-high-transmission-settings.pdf
[3:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/throat-spray-and-hydroxychloroquine-found-to-reduce-risk-of-covid-19-infection
[3:24 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: These findings ☝️ were revealed by a local study of more than 3,000 healthy young migrant workers who were quarantined in Tuas South Dormitory in May last year.
[3:25 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: Ya agree, esp the test is to be done regularly.
[3:27 pm, 06/09/2021] +Elena Woo: All the more we shd consider those younger than 12 coz vaccination is not yet an option for them.. ☹️ although most look mild or asymptomatic, but can also get long covid too.
[3:38 pm, 06/09/2021] +An fan: https://twitter.com/therightmelissa/status/1433986508441198600?s=21
[3:40 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
US FDA and WHO already disapproved ivermectin from consumption.
Many Americans have been hospitalised due to poisoning and many people die due to consumption of this drug.
[3:42 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Nuh trial on nasal spray is totally different from consumption of ivermectin.
Don't try to confuse the issue here.
[3:43 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/anti-vaxx-police-officer-had-205911204.html
Anti-vaxx police officer who had been taking horse worm medicine Ivermectin dies from Covid.
[3:43 pm, 06/09/2021] +YT: Goes to prove that there are some incredibly stupid people out there. Sorry for being so blunt.
[3:45 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/fda-warns-against-using-livestock-201936759.html FDA Warns Against Using Livestock Drug To Treat COVID-19.
Paige Lavender
Sun, August 22, 2021, 4:19 AM
The Food and Drug Administration warned against using ivermectin — a drug often used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasites in animals — to treat or prevent COVID-19 in humans.
“You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it,” the FDA tweeted Saturday morning, linking to a piece explaining the dangers of self-medicating with ivermectin doses intended for horses.
[3:45 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/mississippi-poison-calls-soar-vaccine-035845930.html Mississippi Poison Calls Soar As Vaccine Skeptics Turn To Livestock Drug swallowing ivermectin For COVID-19.
Medical experts call this people crazy ignoring medical guidelines while believing in anti-vaxx messages.
[4:00 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: Don't worry... they will probably get Covid sooner than they will get what we are saying ๐
[4:03 pm, 06/09/2021] +Joseph Ong: Wow ... his name ... how "not to believe" ๐๐๐๐๐
[4:13 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Part 1 - Vaccinate the remaining 20% population - to prevent serious illness and death.
1. Vaccination provide the baseline protection from serious illness and death.
2. Vaccination is a necessity for the following reasons:-
a. It can prevent serious illness and death.
Medical report reveals that :-
- Vaccination boost immunity system through :-
i. Anti-bodies - which is a protein that fuse with covid virus that enter the body - to prevent the covid virus from attaching and infecting the red blood cell. But overtimes, the anti-bodies wanes and reduce in number - hence not as effective to prevent covid from infecting the red blood cell. Our local study reveals that the vaccine is 40% effective over time to produce anti-bodies that prevent covid Delta from infecting our cells - and 60% will breakthrough as the anti-bodies reduce in number.
ii. T-cell - produce by our white blood cell - that will attack the covid the moment they realise the covid has bypass the anti-bodies and infect the red blood cell. This T-cell trigger by the vaccines are more than 90% effective in killing the covid virus - and hence prevent fully vaccinated people from developing serious illness or death.
b. It can prevent long covid.
- as vaccines destroy the covid virus that enter into our body and prevent the covid from causing long covid - that damage our multi-organs like brain, lungs, heart, blood clot - causing losing smell and taste, pain or discomfort, difficulty breathing, lung damage, brain fog, mental problems such as depression and anxiety.
3. Vaccination according to our local study and US study reveals that mRNA vaccines are very safe and do not induce any long term side-effects --- and is suitable for public for used against covid-19 as baseline protection and to some extent - from infection.
4. We are on target to achieve 85% vaccination end of September.
This means, only 5% of adults has yet to be vaccinated.
That means 285,000 more adults need to be vaccinated - and Government must approach each and everyone to vaccinate --- because the current high daily infection number - reveals that covid-19 will indeed become endemic - and will infect many people like flu or common cold.
5. The remaining 10% infant (11 years and below) - should be vaccinated once the trial is over and safe for vaccination for this group.
6. 3rd jab booster for those immunocompromised should be roll out when more data are available.
[4:28 pm, 06/09/2021] +An fan: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021
[4:34 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Part 2 - Actively explore solutions that block the covid infection.
1. This is the World current weakest link - in preventing Delta variants infection.
2. Vaccination is very effective in preventing serious illness or death and long covid.
3. Vaccination initially is effective in preventing covid-19 - mRNA is 95% effective.
4. But Delta variants change the game plan. Vaccination is still very effective in preventing serious illness, death and long covid - more than 90% effective.
But Delta variants has reduce the effectiveness of 95% prevention of infection to 40% effective in Singapore context. That means there are 60% chance of breakthrough even for fully vaccinated people.
This is especially true if people remove their masks when interact freely - eg, bus interchange where bus captain remove their mask to eat, smoke and talk. Same for Fishery port and KTV.
5. Looking for solutions to block the infection at the source become vital - as vaccination can no longer effective in preventing infection at the source (ie. nose and mouth viral load transmission).
6. 7 Nasal spray that are currently on trial worldwide (eg. Israel, US, Singapore etc)- need to be closely look at.
7. If Nasal spray solutions can effectively block the covid viral load from being propagated - if people remove their masks to eat, talk, sneeze, cough, excrete mucous, saliva or running nose ---- then nasal spray will have cover the inadequacies of vaccination to prevent and block infection.
8. If nasal spray is effective, then covid spread will have been effectively curb - as it cannot jump host.
9. Having say so, vaccination must still be the baseline protection, because nasal spray may sometimes not apply correctly and covid can still infect eg :-
a. When nasal spray is applied to the nose, the nose will be sensititve and sneeze. Hence dosage may not be sufficient to protect the covid - and can still infect.
b. Mucous may flow out from the nose and dosage maybe loss.
c. Nasal spray like vaccination are not 100% effective and there could be breakthrough case.
d. People may not applied the nasal spray when the effect diminished and covid may infect.
Hence vaccination must still be the baseline protection.
10. Vaccine hesitant people who still fear the side effect of vaccination or misplace fear of vaccine trigger death - will be less resistance to get the nasal spray. This will be their 1st line of protection - and reduce the covid from spreading.
11. So nasal spray is something that the Government should explore in our fight with more and more new strains coming out and with infection number going up.
12. Nasal spray could also be our 3rd jab booster.
13. Alternative delivery options like tablet should also be explore.
[4:34 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ah Heng: ok
[4:35 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
More than 90% of our this age group have been vaccinated.
So this information is not very useful to us
[4:37 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ken Loh: Cannot ignore data is still data.. ๐
[4:43 pm, 06/09/2021] +Suma pamu: ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐๐
[4:50 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ken Loh: If not is data Bias you only consider the information you consider as data. ๐
[4:50 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-covid-19-hospitalisation-rate-for-children-soars US Covid-19 hospitalisation rate for children soars amid Delta-variant spread.
[4:52 pm, 06/09/2021] +Ken Loh: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/new-variant-of-interest-mu-unlikely-to-make-covid-19-waves-say-experts
Wait for mu to come we shall see if our policy will change
[4:55 pm, 06/09/2021] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/23/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html As Americans face a daunting surge of Covid-19 hospitalizations -- with rates for children and adults under 50 hitting their highest levels yet -- the US Food and Drug Administration on Monday granted full approval to the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people 16 and older.
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