REACH 204 - Increase penalty for sex offenders (SK)
08 Mar 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[11:00 am, 08/03/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢
The maximum penalties for three sexual offences are set to be increased as the Government seeks to send a strong signal that it takes a tough stance against such crimes.
💬 What are your views on the proposed changes to increase maximum penalties ie. extending jail sentences, for sexual offences such as outrage of modesty and sexual communication?
The proposed changes come after a review of penalties for hurt and sexual offences, Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam said in Parliament on March 5.
1️⃣ Raising the maximum jail term for outrage of modesty from two to three years
2️⃣ The maximum sentence for two offences involving sexual communication with minors is also set to be raised, from a year to two years' jail.
3️⃣ A deterrent stance will be taken against adult offenders who commit certain hurt and sexual offences.
4️⃣ A guide will also be published to educate the public about the sentencing process.
5️⃣ An offender will not receive a lighter sentence just because he has higher educational qualifications or better prospects.
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parliament-stiffer-penalties-proposed-for-sexual-offences-to-reflect-governments-tough
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/budget-debate-review-of-sentencing-framework-for-hurt-and-sexual-offences
[11:04 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: hello
[11:04 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: the new singpass app update is horrible design
[11:04 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: the icon app is a i
[11:04 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: and the new look, the face got no eyes and nose
[11:04 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Is sooooo NOT SINGAPSSS!!!!
[11:05 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: OMG!
[11:05 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: and u going to sell this as a world passport?
[11:05 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: who is the human interface designer for this have they not tot how this singapsss had been so closely related to us singaporeans
[11:05 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: and sudden it becomes an i ?
[11:05 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: facepalm designed
[11:06 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: India?
[11:06 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: info counter?
[11:06 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: the i looks like a key hold
[11:06 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i for ICE CREAM hahahahahha
[11:07 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i understand singapore hot these day but no need make everyone have an i .... ice cream
[11:07 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: iPass?
[11:08 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ipass used to be a vpn application right
[11:08 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: no idea, i dont use vpn
[11:08 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: anyway those who are security aware will think this is a spam or had singpass been breach with a malware taking over
[11:08 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i used to use IPASS that was dinosaur age
[11:09 am, 08/03/2021] +Nat: First of all, Happy International Women's Day to the REACH representative of them all, Megan
Of course I know sexual offences aren't limited to one gender but it's 8 March anyway and back to the old thing, will we continue to see well-to-do students being pardoned just because they have good GPA and so on? Hope not.
(Will OG Megan pop up today to respond? 😝)
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Bobby Tan: I fully supported the increased penalty as message needs to pass through to these people clearly.
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: oh, i is International app!
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hahahahahahahahha
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: den tomorrow so back singpass logo again ?
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Alvin: Good change and support on proposed changes. We must send strong signal that sexual predators will be harshly punished and can’t get away so easily from the law.
[11:10 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: if international app den why my details are in there
[11:11 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: it cannot be international den cos pdpa
[11:11 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: support lah so what u educated
[11:11 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is a stupid reason
[11:11 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: the more educated and you commit crime the more sentence one to get
[11:14 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: i is international identity
[11:14 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTYG_jBc8dg
[11:19 am, 08/03/2021] +Caleb: international passport means what ah? no need bring our physical red passport?
[11:20 am, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Good to see this taken seriously, there were some shocking cases recently of students basically getting a slapped wrist for some awful offences.
[11:21 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: how can it be a passport
[11:21 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: when it contain so much of our personnel details with the govt
[11:21 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: education / housing matters
[11:22 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: passport now contain only name/ dob and pp number
[11:40 am, 08/03/2021] +Ken: Lol
[11:45 am, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Hope reach can feedback to LTA that double white line at cross junction is not obvious to motorists, especially at night and when it is raining. Think will kena heavy fine +demerit points. Too many low income drivers on the road these days. Too many people over worked, and stressed. The rich can afford to pay and hire drivers. Then the working class, salaried drivers 🥴
[11:46 am, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Shouldn't there be a yellow box rather than a single white line.
[11:47 am, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Yeah. Once they hack they have my every details
[11:48 am, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Easier to find and fine 😌🥺
[11:54 am, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: already got so many identity thefts on IG & facebook. If hackers have all our details, 😱😱😱👻.
[11:55 am, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: I hope not 2.
[11:57 am, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yellow box cannot any hor braw de have to get lta sme to assess the road situation and condition there
[11:59 am, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: I am sure many parents feel the same
[0:01 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Covid-19 has undermined women's progress, says President Halimah, highlighting areas for change
The Covid-19 pandemic has undermined women's progress, and there are three areas that countries around the world can focus on to advance gender equality, President Halimah Yacob said on Monday (March 8).
She called for governments to prioritise gender equality and place it at the centre of their development programmes and to ensure that women have equal access to education and training and labour market information.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-has-undermined-womens-progress-says-president-halimah-highlighting-areas-for
[0:06 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Especially point 5. Hope schools will support G by imposing a deterrent punishment to students who commit such crimes - expel from school (secondary, ite, jc, poly, uni). Too heavy a punishment? Then dont break the law.
[0:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Where is this place ?
[0:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Thanks .
[0:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: They should try to rectify the violation rather than punish
[0:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Budget debate: New engagement office to train Malay/Muslim volunteers, improve outreach
A new government-led office will be set up by the middle of this year to better organise Malay/Muslim volunteers and manage community resources more effectively.
This move to improve engagement efforts will come under the M³ collaboration by three key Malay/Muslim organisations, announced Minister in the Prime Minister's Office Maliki Osman on Monday (March 8).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budget-debate-new-engagement-office-to-train-malaymuslim-volunteers-improve-outreach
[0:31 pm, 08/03/2021] +Franco: So wats next after being expelled from school? Wat will the offender do when the school gave up on him? School is to educate, please dun give up on deterrent students by expelling them, literally kick them out of school. Sounds like school can choose to avoid problem children by expulsion.....
Just my personal opinion.
[0:33 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Expel from higher cut off point school, then down grade to lower cut off point school
[0:33 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: So there should be civic lessons on respect, proper behavior towards girls. How to relate meaningful.
[0:33 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: I think dad's for life movement did a wonderful job of helping parents be parents
[0:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Especially fathers
[0:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: And mothers
[0:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Too
[0:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +Alvin: I think proper punishment like attend counseling and social work for first time offenders will be good. But if repeated offenders then need to be harsher.
[0:35 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: These offenders are tertiary students ; where there is such system of cut off points among these institutions ?
[0:36 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Agree ; also I understand eventually some were diagnosed with mental sickness . These required to be treated
[0:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: I think the root cause is the parents don't want to discipline. I met a filipino maid who discipline a Singaporean child because the child's mother told her too. Mother wants to be the good person maybe because she's working and felt guilty. How many maids wanna do that.
[0:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Expel from NUS, a high ranking uni, then they apply for lower ranking uni.
[0:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: They should not be in the same alumni group with victim
[0:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: So what happen to the rest of the Universities in Singapore, will they be labelled as crooks’ Universities since they harvest sex offenders ?
[0:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: What if he is not an undergrad. Free hand for undergrads whoo hoo 😊
[0:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: There are plenty of universities all over the world. The well being of the victims must be prioritised over the offender's.
[0:45 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Agree agree. It's trauma for life for the victim. That can affect generations.
[0:47 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: As I see it , leave to the law to manage the severity. Schools have to make the case to the authority for their judgement .
[0:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +Dan: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/new-hangout-maids-being-piloted-former-rgs-site-prevent-overcrowding-popular-spots
On a side note, please don't make it mandatory for helpers to go to these sites during off days. Lets respect their wishes on how to spend their off days.
[0:56 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Offenders should not be in the same alumni group with victim lor
[0:57 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: What does this mean?
[0:58 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: That shouldn't even be there, they should just make it into a normal junction like seriously
[0:58 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Agree
[0:58 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: It's double apparently, but yeah from the angle looks like single, probably why the van passed through
[0:59 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Lol but they need money
Shady gahmen agency for you 👀
[0:59 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: U the transport guy here, so if u can help, pls do
[1:00 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Dad's For Life is a wonderful movement!
[1:01 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: 👍
[1:01 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Didn't know they made it mandatory, how can it be called an off then? Aiyo
[1:02 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: I dont think it is mandatory, only space for 300!
[1:03 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I'll see see look look on Google Street View later
[1:03 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: I know ToC isn't the best source, but put that to one side. Is it so bad for a male born person who now wants to be seen as female to grow long hair?
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2021/03/07/ite-transgender-student-allegedly-disciplined-for-using-womens-bathroom-threatened-with-criminal-prosecution-if-she-continues-to-do-so/
[1:04 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Actually the whole short hair for boys rule is really old fashioned. Another example of Singapore needing to modernise. It would be good for PAP to embrace more modern thinking about things that are quite trivial for society but important for the individual.
[1:05 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: International Women's Day is a good opportunity to think about gender balancing for everyone.
[1:17 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Lorong 25A Geylang
Only one left turn arrow, no mandatory (blue) signs informing drivers left turn only or prohibitory signs prohibiting right turns since Sims Avenue is a one-way road (not everyone knows that)
I understand why the double white lines are there, it's for safety: Lorong 25A Geylang being a small street compared to Sims Avenue being a primary road, a left turn is definitely safer than a straight drive through
If LTA wants to make the junction safer, they should create a physical barrier in place of the double white lines. Otherwise, something that can be done is to allow drivers to pass straight through when traffic along Sims Avenue is stopped at the traffic light
I also understand why drivers would drive straight through, being famili…
[1:19 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: 👏👏👏
[1:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I'm surprised there isn't a left turn only sign, it's usually seen on T-junctions I guess
[1:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: LTA awards $356 million contract for Cross Island Line tunnel works
Construction works for a 3.2km tunnel which will hold two Cross Island Line MRT tracks was awarded on Monday (March 8) to Taisei Corporation of Japan and the Singapore branch of the China State Construction Engineering Corporation.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/lta-awards-356-million-contract-for-cross-island-line-tunnel-works
[1:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Can u suggest to LTA to add one there?
[1:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I'm much more in favour of the go straight when traffic along Sims Ave is stopped but only if there's quite a lot of traffic on the stretch (Lor 25A Geylang) that does that
[1:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: I think if they change ic gender then we should respect the legal gender. But they cannot switch back. Cannot male then female then male again, right?
[1:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Anything to help the blur blur ah peh ah gongs
[1:28 pm, 08/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Put some plastic barriers ..
[1:28 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Hahaha I don't even have a traffic engineering degree (might get one in the future maybe?) and I already solved this issue straight away
No wonder LTA needs scholars and new blood so badly
[1:29 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: I think there is no law against that. Bruce Jenner mentioned that he may have made mistake being Caitlyn and is may revert back
[1:29 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Marked pedestrian crossings lor
It's quite obvious roads like these are naturally dangerous to pedestrians
[1:32 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Sentence must be effective as deterrent.
- Keeping in view that sex offenders are still on the rise despite wide publicity, heavier sentence is justified to deter sex offence.
- Agree that academic achievement is immaterial in sentencing - and agree with the Minister that academic potential can be exploited after offenders have served the sentence - and offenders have "turn over a new leaf".
2. Rehabilitation must be part of the "entire legal process" - in deterring offences, punishing offenders with effective deterrence and eventually rehabilitating offenders upon serving their sentences and have repented.
- Society must not be of the view that a person has commit an offence - after serving the sentence - condemn offenders for life.
- If offenders feel there are no hope of rehabilitation, the following could be one of the consequences :-
a. when committing crime - they can be more ruthless by silencing victims to prevent from being caught.
b. after serving sentence - continue to be a menance to the Society - as Society abandon them.
c. commit suicide - as there are no hope for their remaining life.
- Hence the spirit of "yellow ribbon" and the mission of Prison SCORE - to rehabilitate offenders to equip offenders who have repented - with skillsets to help offenders to rejoin the Society and contribute to the Society as well as to help offenders stand back on their own feet.
- If the offenders have serve their sentences, have repented and rehabilitated with assurance of no reoffending, the offenders should be able to reapply to continue their Education.
- However, safeguard have to be put in place to ensure that offenders will not have re-offended.
3. With heavier sentence, comes the responsibility of ensuring the legal process are not abuse or misuse - that could have put innocent person to be accused as offenders - as it is difficult to prove innocent.
It is the word of the accusers against the accused.
[1:35 pm, 08/03/2021] +KS Foong: For repeat offenders, consider medical castration ?
[1:38 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
You can't castrate his hands and his mind.
[1:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +KS Foong: Well, this is the most severe punishment. The offender has to think twice of the conseeuence. As long as the law is clearly defined and communicated, it will have deterrent effect. Think of the likelihood of lossing his manhood for doing the act!
[1:44 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Physical maim - are no turning back.
Given no hope of rehabilitation.
[1:45 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This seems like medieval punishment.
[1:47 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Seems like a v reasonable suggestion
[1:49 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I'm against this whole LGBT thing because it creates more and more confusion
Even paid surveys have Transgender and not just that, Transgender Male and Transgender Female in their options, this is chaos
[1:49 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: 🙏😬
[1:49 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Regardless of legal gender, why can't a male have long hair?
[1:49 pm, 08/03/2021] +KS Foong: Any turning back for death sentence ? If confirm the person has done the act, he needs to pay the price! Giving a second chance? Who to judge and what is the basis. Many of these offenders are good actors!
[1:50 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Stealing - chop hands?
2. Sexual offence - castrate?
[1:51 pm, 08/03/2021] +KS Foong: I m not saying punishment for LGBD, i am talking about sex offences. Especially those committed rape.
[1:53 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: I think people should have freedom to have hair length and hair style choices. But at the same time, schools and workplace should also be allowed to have their rules on such matters. I would think that NAFA, Laselle type of schools prob have no issue with hair length or styles.
[1:54 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
In my view, it is a difference between deterrence versus cruelty.
For repeat offenders, longer jail sentence plus mandatory rehabilitation process is a better legal process than cutting human parts.
[1:59 pm, 08/03/2021] +KS Foong: Well, the guy can still hv his part, but medication can disarm him. 🥲
[1:59 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Healing the mind is more superior than chopping human parts and hardening his hatred.
[2:00 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Besides long jail term, perhaps the offender should also pay for the mental health bills of the victim within G guidelines.
[2:01 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: So true! People keep emphasizing on the perpetrators they always forget about the victims!
[2:01 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: The victims would need professional help and such help does not come free, so the offender should be held financially responsible within G guidelines
[2:02 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: 🙏😬
[2:02 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I've also mentioned this point a couple of times, less the financial aspect
The victims are always forgotten for some reason
[2:12 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: aiyo simplest terms: commit a crime pay for it can liao
[2:12 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: why talk till heaven and earth
[2:12 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: dun come and tell us what stress, mental ....
[2:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: a crime is a crime and like some others say what about the victims
[2:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: such a very mental and emo for them
[2:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: what come from good school or not does not mater
[2:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: a crime is a crime simple as that
[2:14 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: even a mentally challenge also know how to rape what make a normal educated different....
[2:15 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: sorry for saying this but i think we should stop being hypocrite of being kind and humane......
[2:19 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: sorry i am very old school some may not agree but a cat is a cat, u dun call a cat a tiger even though are the same family....i do not know if i make sense ...
[2:20 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: I don’t think anyone would think it is ok for a male boss to say women must wear short skirts?
[2:20 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: else what the law is for is every "come from good school, come from good family ïs able to get a lesser sentence. If like that every god dam family will claims their family members is from good family right
[2:20 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Good idea, accountability
[2:21 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Choices have consequences
[2:21 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: agree, u want shiok, u wan challenges den face the music
[2:21 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is like drugs
[2:21 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: u wanna take it u wanna earn quick trafficking dough den face the hang man
[2:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Prevent the elite from abusing power. Like some former President or CEO
[2:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: not only the rich and power or famous ...
[2:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: else why is lady justice blind folded ask the lawyers!
[2:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: cos infront of her ALL IS FAIR AND ON THE SAME LEVEL!
[2:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Not sure it is good for our schools to teach kids that only girls can have long hair and wear skirts. Why is that a rule?
[2:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: It's basic indoctrination.
[2:23 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: stop feeding too much on westernized ideas can already
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Singapore is a global city. Many Japanese warriors have long hair lah
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: each race and culture have our practice and is the responsibility of each generation to pass such down
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Indian, Latin American, African. How is long hair Western?
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: japanese warrior i know is those mecha hahahahah they no hair
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hahahaha
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Thomas: Last time men wear skirts like the Scottish
[2:24 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: kilts lah those are not skirts
[2:25 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: must use the correct terms
[2:25 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: They still do. And the Romans conquered the world in skirts
[2:25 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: 😅
[2:25 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: roman are mini shirts
[2:25 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Wah our in-house Wang Lei very the educated sia 😂
[2:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ehh not sure but i think in hanfu "those ancient chinese fashion"i think the guys also like wear "skirts but long version let's call it long skirts
[2:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: I just think these aren't worth talking about, not sure why but it always seems to be that same person raising the insane questions
[2:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in asia we have guys who wear "skirts" but is call SARONG!
[2:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: WHO
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i just say what Minister KS did was good
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is to deter more crazy and horny kids and people to do stupid things
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is not japan
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is not korea
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: nor india
[2:27 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: this is Singapore we respect woman / children / men here
[2:28 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Good to hear! I agree the changes to the law are a good move
[2:30 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Every one has a right to introduce an idea. No one should be called insane for it. That's disrespectful, whoever you are talking about
[2:31 pm, 08/03/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ehh so what about the BIG i issue
[2:33 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: It's you I'm talking about
[2:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Last time make a big fuss over wording, now introduce dunno what can wear cannot wear issue
Like what exactly are you fighting for? If you call yourself a male ally, that's not it fam
[2:34 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Budget debate: $20m arts top-up includes new grant for freelancers
Arts freelancers and businesses will get more support, as the Government pledges another $20 million to help the sector tide over the pandemic.
Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Edwin Tong on Monday (March 8) announced the top-up to the Arts and Culture Resilience Package (ACRP), which will cover the cost of new grants for self-employed workers and business transformation, as well as the extensions of other support.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budget-debate-20m-arts-top-up-includes-new-grant-for-freelancers
[2:35 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Then you need to learn some manners and not call me insane, thanks.
[2:36 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Over 150,000 staff in educational institutions to be offered Covid-19 vaccine from March 10
More than 150,000 teachers and other staff in educational institutions will be offered the Covid-19 vaccine from March 10, said the Ministry of Education on Monday (March 8).
The MOE said that this is in line with the Ministry of Health's efforts to extend vaccination to personnel who offer essential services.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/over-150000-staff-in-educational-institutions-to-be-offered-covid-19-vaccine-from
[2:36 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: You don't get it, I understand that. Young people in Singapore are disillusioned with this Gov because they are seen as old-fashioned. Times are changing and you need to embrace a modern world rather than being stuck in old dated ideals.
[2:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Oh no, you need to understand that your POV is way too westernised
[2:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: What does that even mean?
[2:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Oh here we go again, generalising "the young"
[2:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Why be stuck in a model of anything? Why not take the best of ideas from anywhere in the world?
[2:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Why should we be open to what other countries do straight away?
[2:38 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Straight away? Many attitudes here are stuck in the 50's!
[2:38 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: If we have been conservative all along we can keep it that way, not say why this cannot wear that
[2:38 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Boys must have short hair, I mean seriously....
[2:38 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Terrible mentality
[2:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Yes, keep it that way. Get left behind as the world moves forward. Stick to your diesel engines.
[2:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Terrible to impose standards like this on children yes.
[2:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: You wanna use automotive for your analogies? Don't regret it when I use terms you probably won't understand then
[2:40 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Go on, dazzle me. I'm sure we'll all be suitable impressed.
[2:40 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: No, terrible of you to think that guys should be allowed to have long hair when it's a other country, not SG thing
[2:40 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: suitably, you mean?
[2:40 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: It's an anything SG wants it to be.
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: SG has been successful through a pragmatic adaptable stance.
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: You're totally deluded dude, totally
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: No one knows where you're coming from and what you're doing all these for anymore
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Insults are a sign of weakness and ignorance. Are you insulting me?
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Speaking for everyone are you?
[2:41 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Not an insult, see it more of a statement
[2:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: It's your opinion, that's all.
[2:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Signs of weakness and ignorance are what you want it to be
[2:42 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: I thought this was a forum for debate, ideas and feedback. Not to be insulted, called Insane and Deluded.
[2:43 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Maybe you need to take a step back and considered your contribution.
[2:43 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Hahaha consider my contribution? C'mon, people know what I contribute and people know what to look for me for
[2:43 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Speaking for everyone again?
[2:44 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Isn't it obvious when people know what I can help them with? I don't need to speak for everyone, everyone speaks for me through their actions as such
[2:45 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: "Everyone speaks for me through their actions?" What does that mean? Honestly time to get back to the topic. This is pointless.
[2:45 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: On the other hand, it's you who need to think about why this spiralled out of control and into a you vs me situation when we have a topic on hand worth discussing and it's not whether someone should have long hair, be allowed to wear this or that thing
[2:46 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Man you're a waste of time I tell ya
[2:46 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Well, you have pointed out many times that the topic is whatever we decide it to be. As such on International Womens' Day I felt it appropriate to bring up the subject of Gender Discrimination.
[2:47 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: There you go again, you seem to take pleasure in being insulting.
[2:47 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: This isn't an insult, you're truly a waste of time at this point in time
Again, it's a statement and I'd rather go back to the topic, especially my topic of interest of emotional and social support for victims of sexual harassment/abuse, etc
[2:48 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Well then do so. I don't tell people what to say or not on this forum. How am I stopping you?
[2:49 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Some might say a person who states they wish to be treated as a female is a victim of gender abuse if they can't have long hair. What's so different?
[2:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Isn't that a form or emotion abuse to deny them?
[2:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +Alvin: Sorry what’s the topic again?
[2:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Lai lai we start afresh
[2:59 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: So I love this point, Stella
But what if the perpetrator doesn't have the financial capability? How can we continue to balance it out so that the victim still gets his/her compensation?
I legit think this is good topic for discussion
Then of course the other point is education for the perpetrator, which I agree cuz if it's 100% punishment, we might see more trouble
At what point should one be allowed to reintegrate with society and not be limited to academic options? And what is the point of no return?
[3:05 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Yes Ben, male boss should not make female staff wear short skirts for his eyeball pleasure. But I was referring to hair length only leh.
[3:08 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: When men skirt, it is called sarong, right?
[3:10 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Fight war, need hair that does not need to visit barber regularly mah
[3:11 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Aiyo let go of this hair topic and let down your hair already
[3:12 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Yes, you were only referring to hair style and length. Plenty of women do same job with long hair as man with short hair. Maybe the boss is worried he'll become attracted to the man because of his long hair? 🤣
[3:12 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Despite the insults, I'm equally happy to move on from the hair topic. Hahah
[3:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: This one not sarong, think it is qilt
[3:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: 👍
[3:13 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Ya Kevinn say liao, kilt
[3:14 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Sorry, catching up cos just back from lunch
[3:14 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: Plenty of reading ahead then if you're still at the kilt stage.....
[3:15 pm, 08/03/2021] +Ben: In Summary, we think you have made a good suggestion Stella, and there are some interesting questions that arose from it.
[3:15 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Hahaha it's ok 😂
[3:16 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: 🙏😬
[3:19 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Singapore's Covid-19 vaccination drive brought forward for seniors, extended to teachers, postmen and migrant workers
The nation's Covid-19 vaccination drive has been brought forward for all seniors, and will also be extended to more high-risk groups and essential workers, including teachers, postmen and migrant workers.
This is possible because more supplies of the vaccine have arrived, said the Health Ministry on Monday (March 8).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapores-covid-19-vaccination-drive-brought-forward-for-all-seniors-extended-to
[3:26 pm, 08/03/2021] +Anne: In general, the changes are pathetic. It’s like a 0.1 or 0.01 software upgrade.
So far only the max penalties have been increased. How about min penalties?
I was having lunch with my former course mates and one of them was complaining about her landlord. Scold scold scold... and then, “Do you know he’s a molester?” And she showed us an AsiaOne news which showed a photo of her landlord. He was found guilty of “groping” a woman. He’s not young, and he’s not old enough to avoid caning. Guess what was his punishment?
Drumroll please....
A F-I-N-E.
Yes, FINE! No jail term, no caning. We were like, “WHAT?!?!?!” After enduring the humiliation of being groped, the victim had to endure another humiliation by being made to feel like a prostitute.
In social media, every time we talk about sex offences, somehow someone will inevitably compare with a certain 18-year-old boy who was caned for vandalism. Which makes one wonder... our G can cane a young boy who vandalized inanimate objects (ok, very expensive inanimate objects) so why can’t we cane many of those who vandalize human beings? Are properties worth more than human beings? We throw a person who attempts to commit suicide to prison but we can simply fine a molester. Where is the justice?
If I were ever attacked, I won’t even bother to report the crime. Seriously, don’t waste my time with such pathetic penalties. Especially for the case of the fine punishment. People spend so much effort catching and restraining these sex predators only to have them get away with warnings or fines or 1 month jail.
There have been lots of talk about young people getting away with sex crimes, so I will instead focus on old people. In one of my social circles, we have a “friend” - an old man - who was found out to be a sex predator. (He was never arrested for his crime.) One day a few of us were gossiping about this pervert, and we asked one guy who had just turned 50, whether old men tend to become molesters. His reply was somehow when a man becomes much older, he tends to want to go after younger ladies. Some of his friends turned to having mistresses.
So, if this is true, it means that there is likely to have an increase in molest cases when the baby boomers start retiring - they then have lots of free time to dream of having relationships with willing or unwilling young ladies.
The problem with these old men is they can’t be caned. For some of them, jail is like being rewarded with free food, free healthcare, and free accommodation after committing a sex crime. So, what is an adequate punishment for these old perverts?
Perhaps it is time to implement Shariah law for sex offences. Or, like in ancient China, parade these criminals in cages in public and let onlookers take photos or videos and post them on social media. Or let them stand on a stage and let people throw rotten eggs at them.
Other than punishments, I am also concerned about prevention.
I have read of two reports of convicted sex offenders who re-offended. There are definitely much more of them but I will just share two. The first was a man who went to jail for molest and raped his step daughter after he was released. So, he went in a molester and came out a rapist. The second was a paedophile who was caught preying on children. He had been convicted a few times for attacking Malay children, which made me think: “Why did society allow him to prey on children time and time again?” These two sex crimes are preventable, since the criminals were convicted sex offenders. This is one area which can be worked on - how to protect society and the sex offenders’ family members when convicted sex offenders are released. Perhaps we can release them in one of our deserted forested islands surrounded by shark-infested sea (Singapore-style Alcatraz) instead of unleashing them back to society.
Another aspect of prevention would be to prevent people from becoming 1st time offenders. I don’t have good ideas for this, but perhaps we can start off by the root cause of these offences - Pornography? Immoral lifestyle?
So, can we have a 10x revamp on all these sex offences in terms of punishment and prevention instead of just a 0.1 or 0.01 type of wishy-washy upgrades?[3:28 pm, 08/03/2021] +Rama: The enhanced sentences is peanuts!
[3:31 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Well said! So this was what I was waiting for and it was totally worth the wait!
And yeah from an educational institute perspective, sexual harassment cases tend to go silent, go silent on the victim that is
And then the victim doesn't know what happened, is the guy punished? Or perhaps to one's fear, the entire story is covered up? No one ever knows! There's simply no transparency, to the victim, ever!
[3:33 pm, 08/03/2021] +Smiley Face: How do you know the victim doesn't get updated by the police? I think they do. Not that I have been a victim of sexual assault or crimes, but I have experience with the police and the IO do update the "victims" on the cases, although not down to nitty gritty details.
[3:37 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Not by the police, by the campus security
[3:39 pm, 08/03/2021] +YT: Oh, I see.
[3:48 pm, 08/03/2021] +CQ: Sentencing for criminal offences is never straightforward. Even in molest cases, there is a wide range from a fleeting touch (which might even be accidental) to the very serious cases where it involves a certain degree of exploitation. In each case, there has to be an evaluation of the facts and factors in determining what the suitable punishment should be.
While I do agree that the sentence is too light in some cases, there also has to be a balance to make sure that the offender doesn't become labelled for life. This would run contrary to one of the 4 sentencing principles of rehabilitation. One thing that must be highlighted is that the 4 principles are never mutually exclusive, the sentences must always consider all 4 principles and to seek a balance, a…
[3:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +Nat: Semo is OM ah
[3:50 pm, 08/03/2021] +CQ: oh oops! OM = outrage of modesty, aka molest
[3:51 pm, 08/03/2021] +CQ: paiseh paiseh, got carried away with the acronyms
[4:00 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: PUB campaign highlights impact of climate change on Singapore's coastlines, water supply
A future where Singapore's reservoirs have no more water after a prolonged dry spell, and rising sea levels threaten the low-lying coastline, may become a reality if nothing is done to fight climate change.
These are scenes from a new PUB television commercial, aired on Monday (March 8) as part of the national water agency's campaign titled "The Climate is Changing" launched this month to raise awareness of climate change.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/pub-campaign-highlights-impact-of-climate-change-on-singapores-coastlines-water-supply
[4:06 pm, 08/03/2021] +Rama: PUB campaign highlights impact of climate change on Singapore's coastlines, water supply
A future where Singapore's reservoirs have no more water after a prolonged dry spell, and rising sea levels threaten the low-lying coastline, may become a reality if nothing is done to fight climate change.
These are scenes from a new PUB television commercial, aired on Monday (March 8) as part of the national water agency's campaign titled "The Climate is Changing" launched this month to raise awareness of climate change.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/pub-campaign-highlights-impact-of-climate-change-on-singapores-coastlines-water-supply
[4:07 pm, 08/03/2021] +Smiley Face: https://www.mlaw.gov.sg/news/speeches/keynote-address-by-dpm-prof-s-jayakumar-at-the-iba-rule-of-law-symposium
[4:28 pm, 08/03/2021] +Stella Yip: On climate change, save the earth, recycling, reduce trash aspect, I hope reach will feedback to G to watch more K drama so that they can come up with incentives/guidelines to reduce food packaging waste. In k dramas we often see that black bean sauce noodles are delivered in proper bowls instead of one time use plastic/paper/foam bowls. The k drama food delivery man will come back to collect the bowls later in the day.
[4:55 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Budget debate: NHB to call for public to contribute items for Founders' Memorial
The National Heritage Board (NHB) will, from the third quarter of this year, begin collecting artefacts and stories for the Founders' Memorial, which is set to be unveiled in 2027.
These items sought from the public should relate to key milestones in Singapore's history and reflect the country's founding values, said Minister of State for Culture, Community and Youth Alvin Tan during the debate on his ministry's budget on Monday (March 8).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/budget-debate-nhb-to-call-for-public-to-contribute-items-for-founders-memorial
[5:18 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. To complete the rehabiliation process,
a. Woman support group - should provide emotional and mental support to women victims - to help their healing.
b. Minors - special attention should be paid to minor to ensure they get the appropriate help and support for minors to heal from the trauma cause by the sex offenders.
2. Depending on how the victims react and recover from the incidents, a more systematic process and procedure should be put in place - to ensure that the victims fully recovered from the trauma.
[5:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Alvin: To sum it up: Dura lex sed lex
[5:22 pm, 08/03/2021] +Alvin: My 2.14 cents
[5:28 pm, 08/03/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Healing of the mind and heart - is more effective and long-lasting.
(2) This applies to the victims as well as to the offenders.
(3) Legal process is to ensure :-
- justice, fairness in administering punishment when an offense is committed.
- but also include rehabiliation and healing if offenders have repented.
(4) As we are dealing with human lives and a Society that will offer hope.
[6:45 pm, 08/03/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
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