REACH 212 - How to protect community from online sexual violence (SK)

31 Mar 2021 (11am - 7pm)

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[11:05 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

💬 How can we do our part to protect our community from online harms or technology-enabled sexual violence cases?  

Chat groups similar to the now-defunct SG Nasi Lemak, which circulated obscene photos and video clips of women in Singapore, have resurfaced on messaging app Telegram. Some of the images show young women in the nude and are pornographic in nature. 

Pictures of female commuters on the MRT, selfies of women and TikTok video clips of girls in secondary school or junior college uniforms, with the usernames of the victims revealed, are also being shared in the groups and channels. 

Students for a Safer NUS, a group that advocates for a safer environment on campus, posted a statement on social media on Monday to notify students about the resurgence of the groups on Telegram.

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/chat-groups-circulating-obscene-images-of-women-in-singapore-re-emerge-on-telegram

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[11:11 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: I think more has to be done at the law level to protect women from sexual harrassments, stalking, molestation and even rapes. Lately too much such cases seen in the news and it is very disheartening. Imagine our own daughters facing the risk in their future... Singapore may no longer considered as a safe country any more?

[11:15 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Suggest for Obscene photos and video clips, the author / videographer and admins of such chat groups will face harsh punishment of at least 2 years jail + 3 strokes of cane, participants who are members of the obscene chat groups will be fined or jail up to 2 years.

[11:15 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Our sentences for molestation and rapes seem to be getting even more lenient...

[11:15 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree with Elena

[11:15 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I said this before going to say again

[11:16 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Dura Lex, Sed Lex

[11:16 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: The law is harsh but it is the law

[11:17 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: I'm assuming this is a tiny minority of men, which makes it hard to manage. Public information campaigns for women so they protect themselves, without pointing fingers at men in general, might help. Making it clear what is a sex crime and why it is wrong, which may sound ridiculous but clearly some don't know.

[11:18 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: I think for raping cases, the part on the age limit for caning should be removed or the offender should be chemically castrated especially if the victims are their own daughters.

[11:18 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Highlighting warning signs of potential trouble, eg are you being stalked?

[11:18 am, 31/03/2021] +Rama: agree on castration

[11:18 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: the reality is that a lot of these cases happen on a daily basis, only because it's reported, generates a lot of public interest, and in turn the reporters all go hunting down these cases to report. it's not a recent trend, unfortunately...

my view is a stronger deterrent sentence should be imposed. no matter what the reason, excuse or mitigating factor, it's never ok to commit these kind of offences against women. it's not like you're quarreling with another person until you're so pissed that you threw a punch. a sexual offence is not one of impulse but an active decision.

[11:18 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: It can be 2 way to impose. 1 is the law and the other is education.

[11:19 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Yes agreed

[11:19 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Agree... punching can be categorised as bad anger management, but not sexual assaults.

[11:19 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: There needs to be proper punishment and deterrent

[11:20 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Most important is to focus on teens and young adults so they are 100% clear about inappropriate behaviour so it doesn't escalate, and for women to feel able to report without fear of blame.

[11:20 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I think this starts at young age these days

[11:20 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: the "young and stupid" defence just shouldn't apply to sexual offences, whether upskirt or stalking.

[11:20 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: 👍🏻

[11:21 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Seeing how there’s a spike in cases in NUS and funny orientation “games” these days

[11:21 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Agreed

[11:21 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Ya coz Internet is easily accessible and younger people secretly went to certain sites but they were not educated properly on rights and wrongs.

[11:21 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree

[11:22 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Shouldn't the student council vet through all orientation proposals including the activities and games involved before giving approval?

[11:22 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: 🤷🏻‍♂️

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: My era orientation is taking a tin can go out ask for donations lol

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Lol

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Nowadays the games all quite lewd

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: yep, consent should be taught at a young age. our parents' were squeemish when they had to talk about the birds and the bees (that's how we all ended up "being picked up from dustbin"). these days the conversation should start a lot earlier and it should start at home. don't wait for the schools to do it

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Yes, maybe it's been too hidden away so all of a sudden its available and people don't know how to handle it? Perhaps we need to be more open and upfront so people can be better educated

[11:23 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: I think hum sup is the word.

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Haha yes

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Yes, let's take the conversation to young people. Teach them about consequences and victimisation

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Education in primary school perhaps?

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: And what’s up with ppl easily access NUS school halls and hostels

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: It should start there at some level, so the seeds are sewn for when they are older. Age Appropriate education of course, but not nothing

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: 🤷🏻‍♀️

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: all along it's been quite questionable. i remember the "passing tissue paper using the mouth" thing??? ewww, not about the squeemish but hello!! hygiene!!!!

[11:24 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Got guy can sneak in and stalk NUS girl while she not around

[11:25 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: What’s that game all about? 😨

[11:25 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Nowadays quite a lot of younger generation don't seem to have common sense....

[11:25 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: some orientation nonsense......

[11:25 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: it's not nowadays... it was my time, 20 years ago....

[11:25 am, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Everyone has cameras, social media etc. Very hard for teens and young adults now. Temptation without education can often lead to misbehaviour

[11:26 am, 31/03/2021] +Ben: Lol, true. That will never change. The opportunity is easier now maybe.

[11:26 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: But cannot just ban ar...

[11:26 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Education and discipline has to start somewhere.

[11:27 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: thus my point, a lot of mischief has just been going on for a very long time, just that you don't always hear about it and last time no camera no social media no tiktok

[11:28 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: you can set a broad guideline of "no inappropriate activities", but to the kids, what exactly is inappropriate? this is just a game what, fully clothed, no weird touching of body parts, and the adults aren't looking, who's gonna know.... you can't possibly list out every scenario, otherwise they say A cannot but never say B cannot.

[11:29 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I actually think tiktok might have some influence on it

[11:29 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: And parents cannot be overprotective of children and hide every info from them too. Coz ignorance has deeper consequences.

[11:30 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: Ya esp those stupid challenges.

[11:30 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I just installed and loaded TikTok now and immediately bombarded with videos liao

[11:30 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Lol

[11:31 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: most of the challenges are stupid but not inappropriate. but tiktok is just another social media platform. only cos tiktok is huge, that's why it's getting all the flak. this could easily have been an IG Story, FB, Snapchat, Clubhouse....

[11:32 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: And esp if the offender is highly educated, all the more the sentence should be heavier.

[11:34 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: education in itself shouldn't be an aggravating or mitigating factor, otherwise it will send the message that it's more ok for a lowly educated person to commit the offence than a degree holder, and that's problematic from a legal standpoint.

but what's already taken into account is the amount of thought and planning that goes into the offence, and whether the offender took steps to try to cover his tracks

[11:38 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: What i mean is both should be punished. But a highly educated person would have known that it is against the law to do so and should be more disciplined, and hence it will become 明知故犯, committing it deliberately. Just like a police officer who committed bribery will be sentenced heavier.

[11:38 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Actually all should be penalized equally

[11:38 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: But the more educated guy cannot get lighter sentence eg he can afford better lawyers

[11:40 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: actually ah... good lawyers don't get their clients off the hook... but it's the bad lawyers that somehow torpedo their client's case

[11:41 am, 31/03/2021] +Elena Woo: I see the recent sentences given I shake my head.

[11:41 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: 🤷🏻‍♂️

[11:42 am, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Road to hell is paved with best intentions

[11:50 am, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: I hope that the courts will put a gag order on the victims names so that the people who have seen the videos/photos cannot talk about it after court's ruling, so that the victim can move on and live with lesser whispering.  The emotional stress on the victims, victims' immediate family, in-law, children, other loved ones, should be reduced.  Anyone could breaking the gag order should be punished according to the new law.  人言可畏呀

[11:51 am, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

With the advancement of technology, everything can be put online instantly with a click of the button.

1. Online social media can be put to good use - promote goodwill, conduct online business, even provide solutions that can resolve complex global problems through "crowd brainstorming".

2. But online social media can also be misused by ill-intention people - propagating illwill, vice, embarrassing pictures, and subverting the society.

Hence responsible use of online social media platforms and tools become imperative.

[11:53 am, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Hope G will put some resources in AI detection of such traffic into SG data network to stop such intrusion/abuse/violation.

[11:54 am, 31/03/2021] +CQ: but likewise, the person charged should also be subject to a gag order, because you're innocent until proven guilty. there've been cases where the person accused of the offence was acquitted after trial, but along the way, his reputation has been dragged through the mud. like you said, 人言可畏. reputation lost cannot get back one lor.

[11:55 am, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Hope G will also put some resources in AI detection of such uploads too, and impose heavy punishment

[11:57 am, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: agree

[0:01 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Users of social media need to be careful what information, pictures they upload into their own social media space.

Eg. I noticed youngsters uploading their sensitive family information, family members information, pictures, videos, school activities picture and videos, internships videos and pictures --- that unscrupulous people on the web can misused.

It is important that netizens need to use social media wisely - to protect themselves and their families members and friends from being exposed to online threat.

[0:02 pm, 31/03/2021] +Rama: gag order has been in place for all sexual assault molest cases.

[0:04 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: not all, it's for parties to ask and judge will only grant if there's a need to put a gag order in place to protect the victim (esp vulnerable victims)

[0:05 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

2. Once information, pictures and videos are posted in the internet - it is almost very difficult and near impossible to remove - because netizens can download and keep a copy in their local media.

3. Even if social media platforms and authority can remove undesirable online content from the internet, people can upload it again.

4. It will always be a cat and mouse game.

[0:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/chat-groups-circulating-obscene-images-of-women-in-singapore-re-emerge-on-telegram

[0:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: time to clamp down on such chat groups

[0:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: because got demand, that's why got supply...

[0:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: look for the admin and prosecute them

[0:09 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: if the person is in sg make sure to catch

[0:09 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: one of my friend is inside one of these chat groups

[0:10 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: wondering if gov should go after those subscribers as well

[0:11 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: catch a few and publish in news

[0:11 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: kill one scare the rest

[0:12 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: cos these types of groups encourage stalkers and voyeurism and upskirts etc

[0:12 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: some people are added without their own request cos kena spam, or initially didn't know what it's about. but once you find out, you should get out already. if you stay in there then you should kena whack lor

[0:14 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: True.  That's why G needs to show clear intent, and firm stand to protect its citizens against such crimes.  So that SG will still be the safest country.  Investment in AI detection for such crimes will be a loud statement to potential offenders.  Unless the fellow is willing to take on SG G, better dont commit the crime within SG data network.  Just like drugs, unless that fellow willing to xxx, dont come within SG borders.

[0:16 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. Working with social media platforms become the only way to curb unscrupulous people uploading and sharing compromise videos and images.

6. Eg. Authorities need to work with telegram to sieve out chat groups that are circulating compromising content.

7. Same for WhatsApp.

8. Because both platforms use strong encryption and will need the platform providers to decrypt to monitor the chat groups and report those groups that circulate such contents.

[0:18 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: send them for education.  However, curiosity kills the cat.  So they have a choice.  There are legal and licensed service providers in this field.  They can opt for this but face risk of contracting aids and possibly death by choice.  It is not encouraged but still better than victimizing students in dorm bathrooms.

[0:21 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: if these platforms do not cooperate, then should ban its data flow within SG borders

[0:22 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: our G should let the world know how serious it is when it comes to protecting its people.

[0:23 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not possible to ban.

WhatsApp and telegram are widely use in many businesses, political platform, education etc other than social space.

Also even if ban, firewall block, it can easily be bypass using VPN.

[0:23 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: those who are stayed inside the group know what's going on

[0:23 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: just like last time korea got that celeb chat group sharing about sex with drunk girls or something

[0:24 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: they know the implications but still partake in such groups

[0:24 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: can't claim ignorance

[0:25 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: i think you're putting paid sex services and these stalking voyeurism molest together

[0:25 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. If ban WhatsApp and telegram - REACH WhatsApp group can close shop already.

[0:25 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: correlation is not causation

[0:27 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: if cannot ban, then should have strong laws to punish the offenders.  A strong message should be issued.  Deterrent laws are more important than sentences of punishment.

[0:27 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Facebook, big tech conglomerates will pull out of Singapore if we ban WhatsApp, telegram - and many Singaporean will lose their jobs.

[0:29 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: wah mai anything also ban pls

[0:31 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: just search and locate the admins

[0:32 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: go after them

[0:32 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: keep doing it for such chat groups

[0:32 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: eventually all will stop

[0:32 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There are always 2 ways to look at it.

1. Effective deterrence.

2. Ability to catch and punish law breakers.

Stiff punishment if no one is caught is no used.

It becomes a paper tiger.

Law with sufficient deterrence and yet able to catch the law breakers and put them into justice - will be more effective.

Education will also be important - to ensure people behave appropriately.

Finally rehabilitation must be part of the process to be effective.

[0:44 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Will not happen... supply demand, like porn website how many can you ban? 

Educate them well on the information the consume and having the right might set about girls. I have a daughter myself, but the thing is when you want to see you will always have supply and demand in such stuff.

Up to one person do decide how they want to do with such information. We can only educate, prevention don’t help much really. Can only educate them to make right choices. And the impact of sharing your personal photos even to your love ones the risk involved when in the wrong hands.

[0:45 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Must keep jobs.  Quite crucial now. Then at least should fine/penalty the platforms that do not cooperate with G to remove content/provide info on offenders for prosecution.  If offenders are foreigners and cannot be prosecuted, then ban these offenders from entering SG physically.

[0:50 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: We need guys or girls to be interested in sex so they would have kids no? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Cannot be suddenly once married they decided to do it. 🙃 just being more realistic.

[0:51 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Yes, of course.  But consent is quite important, correct?

[0:52 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Yes consent... most girls/guy photo are not consented. And share to others that’s the problem..

Supply demand, they have to be educated that once you share there is chance that it might leakout

[0:52 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: some guys seems to be delusional. They take no for a yes.  The girl is just playing hard to get.

[0:53 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: some guys think that the girl wearing until like tat, asking for it

[0:53 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: True but those websites are not hosted here. But if the chat group admins are here we can prosecute them.

[0:53 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: these guys need to be educated

[0:54 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: You can prosecute to reduce the tendency of having such open sites... but in close door no way you can finish catching them

[0:55 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: The more the are publicize, the more people search for it or even create their own..

I didn’t know nasi Lemak exist till the news comes out

[0:55 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: 🙃🙃 in a way giving people more ideas on the issue 🤣🤣

[0:57 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Just a quick search you find many on telegram and now also move on to Twitter 🤣🤣🤣 Then maybe discord and so on..

[0:58 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: If there is no deterrent law to prosecute the people who upload or share the videos/photos, then hope G quickly establish strong laws to minimize breach in the future.

[0:59 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Should try to break the chain

[0:59 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: if cannot stop the initiation from abroad

[1:00 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: if the chain starts locally, then prosecute with harsh punishment

[1:00 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: There is no international agreements on such small tribal stuff to make then enforce cross boarders

[1:00 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Trivial”

[1:00 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Borders”

[1:01 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: then at least stop local sharing

[1:01 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: there are provisions in the penal code now to tackle voyeuristic behaviour.

[1:01 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: 😅 very hard...

[1:01 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Just google Singapore sex scandal you can see a fair shares of what happen over the years.. anything happen to the person who share?

[1:03 pm, 31/03/2021] +REACH: 27,000 employers hired 2 locals each on average in first 3 months of Jobs Growth Incentive scheme 

Some 27,000 employers hired an average of two locals each between September and November last year, with support from the Jobs Growth Incentive (JGI).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/jobs/27000-employers-hired-2-locals-on-average-in-first-3-months-of-jobs-growth-incentive

[1:03 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: the face and name of victims should be blacked out lor

[1:04 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: 😅 then person taking should have taken account of that when taking it.. 

people want to share won’t have think so much lol

[1:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: But I do agree.. some sort of law should be in place to prevent revenge posting. 

However damaged done is permanent. Will forever on the internet.

[1:08 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: That's already in place, so just waiting for the cases to happen...

[1:09 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ken: Oh?

[1:09 pm, 31/03/2021] +CQ: Yep. Penal code

[1:26 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3127504/beijing-courts-southeast-asian-nations-bid-counter-south-china

Beijing courts Southeast Asian nations in bid to counter South China Sea backlash

[1:27 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Example use social media responsibly can even resolve complex global problems.

[1:27 pm, 31/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Beijing courts Southeast Asian nations in bid to counter South China Sea backlash

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi to host meeting in Fujian as part of effort to counter the Biden administration’s efforts to isolate China

A number of countries have criticised a new law that would allow Chinese coastguards to fire on foreign vessels

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said on Tuesday that Singapore’s Vivian Balakrishnan, Indonesia’s Retno Marsudi and Teddy Locsin from the Philippines would visit China from Wednesday to Friday. It is understood Malaysia’s Hishammuddin Hussein visit is scheduled from Thursday to Saturday.

Maria Siow and William Zheng

Published: 11:46am, 30 Mar, 2021

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1. Looking at the overlapping claims by the various Countries superimposed to the map in South China Sea --- it will look like a very complicated and complex issues to resolve :-

a. Looking at the China 9-dash lines claim in South China Sea.

b. Looking at the overlapping claim by Vietnam.

c. Philippines overlapping claim.

d. Brunei overlapping claim.

e. Malaysia overlapping claim.

2. It is an extremely intricate a very difficult issue to resolve giving the webs of overlapping claims by so many Countries that is presented by the maps and the superimposed overlapping claims ---- easily it will upset every claimants.

3. At the first look - Well a very "preliminary key" to resolve this complex web of seemingly unsolvable deadlock of claims in South China Sea is to examine the interpretation of the UNCLOS (United Nation Convention of the Law of the Sea) ---- that will be able to satisfy and meet all the claimants claim "half way" --- the "Middle Ground" approach :-

a. 12 nautical mile (22 km) - Territorial Water from the coast line.

b. Another 12 nautical mile (22 km) - Contiguous Zone from Territorial Water.

c. 200 nautical mile (370 km) - Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) from Contiguous Zone.

Total 414 km

a. and b. (24 nautical miles / 44 km) - which are the Territorial Water and Contiguous Zone --- should be reserve for Countries with coastal lines.

c. the EEZ with 200 nautical mile / 370 km ---- will be the areas where "Middle Ground or Meeting half way" ---- dispute resolution approach ---- can be made.

If 2 Countries have disputed claims that fall onto the EEZ - divide into half to be shared by the 2 Countries - each one get 100 nautical mile / 185 km.

If 3 Countries have disputed claims that fall onto the EEZ - divide into 3 to be shared by the 3 Countries - each one get 66.6666666.....7 nautical mile / 123.3333333 km.

4. As the distance between Vietnam to Philippines is about 1,564.67 km - taking into account the total 414 km of claimants claim - a total remainder of 1,132.67 km become (International water - outside Territorial Water) --- and is reserved for International sea of passage.

5. South China Sea problem solved ! ------ no more "hard feelings" among all claimants on South-China Sea --- and peace is restored. Prosperity and Economy can then thrive in Asia Pacific.....

6. So the resolution approach to resolve South China Sea dispute ---- is the "Middle Path Resolution" or "Middle Ground Resolution" ----- "Meeting each other halfway".

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[2:16 pm, 31/03/2021] +REACH: 1,200 new jobs in Jurong Innovation District over next 18 months 

The Jurong Innovation District will create some 1,200 new jobs in industries such as advanced manufacturing, urban mobility and urban solutions over the next 18 months. 

With another 3,300 jobs that are “relocated” when factories move their operations into the area, the district will account for a total of 4,500 jobs in that time period. 

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/jobs/4000-jobs-in-jurong-innovation-district-over-next-18-months

[2:47 pm, 31/03/2021] +Caleb: Can limit the number of purchase per pax?

[2:47 pm, 31/03/2021] +Caleb: And number of sales per hour

[3:03 pm, 31/03/2021] +Stella Yip: Can restrict those with history of domestic violence after drinking?

[3:07 pm, 31/03/2021] +Caleb: 👍

[4:14 pm, 31/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Can alcohol drinks sold thru vending machine ?

[4:14 pm, 31/03/2021] +Caleb: News said under testing

[4:14 pm, 31/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Where ?

[4:27 pm, 31/03/2021] +Valli: Online order is so easily available & delivered to home.  

Some provision shops are also doing this service undercover

[4:29 pm, 31/03/2021] +Valli: An example will be on Facebook

[5:35 pm, 31/03/2021] +Ben: [Sent by Gov.sg – 31 Mar]

As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed 1 new case of locally transmitted COVID-19 infection. 

Based on investigations so far, the case is in the community, and there are no new cases in the dormitories.

There are 33 imported cases, who had already been placed on Stay-Home Notice or isolated upon arrival in Singapore. In total, there are 34 new cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore today.

MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.

go.gov.sg/moh310321update

Vaccination data as of 29 Mar 2021

- Received 1st dose: 943,307

- Completed both doses: 375,605

- Total doses administered: 1,318,912

[5:36 pm, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Glad to see they approved our recommendation of including the vaccine stats! Well done REACH.

[6:45 pm, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[6:45 pm, 31/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan!

[7:00 pm, 31/03/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

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Beijing courts Southeast Asian nations in bid to counter South China Sea backlash

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi to host meeting in Fujian as part of effort to counter the Biden administration’s efforts to isolate China

A number of countries have criticised a new law that would allow Chinese coastguards to fire on foreign vessels

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hua Chunying said on Tuesday that Singapore’s Vivian Balakrishnan, Indonesia’s Retno Marsudi and Teddy Locsin from the Philippines would visit China from Wednesday to Friday. It is understood Malaysia’s Hishammuddin Hussein visit is scheduled from Thursday to Saturday.

Maria Siow

 and William Zheng

Published: 11:46am, 30 Mar, 2021

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1. Looking at the overlapping claims by the various Countries superimposed to the map in South China Sea --- it will look like a very complicated and complex issues to resolve :-

a. Looking at the China 9-dash lines claim in South China Sea.

b. Looking at the overlapping claim by Vietnam.

c. Philippines overlapping claim.

d. Brunei overlapping claim.

e. Malaysia overlapping claim.

2. It is an extremely intricate a very difficult issue to resolve giving the webs of overlapping claims by so many Countries that is presented by the maps and the superimposed overlapping claims ---- easily it will upset every claimants.

3. At the first look - Well a very "preliminary key" to resolve this complex web of seemingly unsolvable deadlock of claims in South China Sea is to examine the interpretation of the UNCLOS (United Nation Convention of the Law of the Sea) ---- that will be able to satisfy and meet all the claimants claim "half way" --- the "Middle Ground" approach :-

a. 12 nautical mile (22 km) - Territorial Water from the coast line.

b. Another 12 nautical mile (22 km) - Contiguous Zone from Territorial Water.

c. 200 nautical mile (370 km) - Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) from Contiguous Zone.

Total 414 km

a. and b. (24 nautical miles / 44 km) - which are the Territorial Water and Contiguous Zone --- should be reserve for Countries with coastal lines.

c. the EEZ with 200 nautical mile / 370 km ---- will be the areas where "Middle Ground or Meeting half way" ---- dispute resolution approach ---- can be made.

If 2 Countries have disputed claims that fall onto the EEZ - divide into half to be shared by the 2 Countries - each one get 100 nautical mile / 185 km.

If 3 Countries have disputed claims that fall onto the EEZ - divide into 3 to be shared by the 3 Countries - each one get 66.6666666.....7 nautical mile / 123.3333333 km.

4. As the distance between Vietnam to Philippines is about 1,564.67 km - taking into account the total 414 km of claimants claim - a total remainder of 1,132.67 km become (International water - outside Territorial Water) --- and is reserved for International sea of passage.

5. South China Sea problem solved ! ------ no more "hard feelings" among all claimants on South-China Sea --- and peace is restored. Prosperity and Economy can then thrive in Asia Pacific.....

6. So the resolution approach to resolve South China Sea dispute ---- is the "Middle Path Resolution" or "Middle Ground Resolution" ----- "Meeting each other halfway".

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Draft WHO coronavirus report pours cold water on lab-leak theory: AP

News agency says it obtained document from diplomat from WHO member country

Investigators also appear to give little weight to possibility that virus came into China via imported frozen food

The virus that causes Covid-19 most likely passed from bats into humans via an intermediary animal, but it is “extremely unlikely” that it came from a laboratory leak, according to a draft of a highly anticipated World Health Organization investigation report into the origins of the virus.

Simone McCarthy

Published: 9:28pm, 29 Mar, 2021

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(1) See China can take an elegant approach to resolve - wrong allegations levy at China --- without resorting to "tic-for-tac" retaliation that result in collateral damage. Using "tic-for-tac" retaliation will not only hurt the accusers, but will also hurt self --- and leave a "bad taste" as other neutral parties watch the "brawl" unfold.

Let's picture the aftermath of a brawl - both left with panda eyes and mouth - bruised face.

(2) An "elegant" approach to debunk inaccurate accusations - will make the accusers look silly and lose credibility in the eyes of the World.

While winning respect from the World - for the ability to handle a dispute or crisis well.

Remember how historical "Kong Ming" approach difficult to resolve or overwhelming handicap battle situation?

Cool, calm and elegant approach - to resolve "deadlock" or seemingly unsolvable battle situation with finesse - without resorting to sledgehanner or brute force.

Use Wisdom, not brute force.

(3) WHO's report vindicated accusation that the covid is leak out through the lab --- as medical profession rule out the possibilities based on scientific facts.

This mean accusers is making false accusation and lose their credibility in the eyes of the World -- without China needing to go for "tic-for-tac" retaliation.

(4) Other accusations can similarly be debunk - if the accusations are not true.

Hence solutions to such "containment strategy" - will "don't attack, self destruct".

And China as a result will stand tall in the eyes of the World.

This is the coming of a mature power - through "Soft Power".

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The 1st few seconds of the Big Bang

30 Mar 2021

 

[2:43 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. In one pointedness nimitta concentration, the nimitta is very small bright light.

(This infant universe as described - also say the initial universe is extremely small like a peach) - "singularity".

2. From a one pointedness nimitta - it suddenly explode and expand outwards that cover the world Universe.

(This article say Universe then expand known as inflation and form the current vast Universe).

So divine attainment of Jhana Samadhi 1 pointedness nimitta and explode into Nirvana fruition = similar to infant universe formation from black hole into the current vast Universe.

Divine = Mundane

Mundane = Divine.

空 = 色。

色 = 空。

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Joe Biden invites China and Russia to first global climate talks

Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin are on the list of 40 leaders getting invitations for the virtual summit in April

The event will pose a very public test of whether Biden and the US can still drive global decision-making after years of Trump

Associated Press

SCMP

Published: 3:57am, 27 Mar, 2021

Babe B.

1. Finding common ground - is one way to do the ice-breaking. 

2. Once a common destiny is work upon - other thorny issues can also be tackle albeit it will takes time and alot of patient.

Just now

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User since Mar 2021

Babe B.

1. If both sides refuse to talk - despite a window of opportunity comes along ----- tension can escalate and run out of control.

Just now

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REACH 211 - Encourage working in office (SK)

29 Mar 2021 (11am - 7pm)

REACH

[10:46 am, 29/03/2021] +REACH: Dear contributors,

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[11:00 am, 29/03/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

The multi-ministry task force tackling Covid-19 announced on Wednesday (March 24) that more restrictions will be eased as Singapore moves forward with its vaccination programme and continues to keep the pandemic under control.

💬 How have you been preparing to go back to your workplaces while keeping safe?

More employees can return to workplace (from April 5)

Up to 75% of employees can be at the workplace at any one time, up from 50%. The restriction on how long a worker spends at the workplace will be lifted. 

Split-team arrangements are also no longer required. Social and recreational gatherings, such as team bonding events, will be allowed but must be limited to no more than eight people.

Singapore's largest employer, the Government, is encouraging public servants who can work from home to return to the office three out of five working days as a general guideline. 

The private sector is expected to take a cue from the public service as it persuades employees, many of whom have become used to the convenience of working from home, to return to the workplace more.

👉 Further easing of Covid-19 measures in Singapore: What you need to know: https://str.sg/J92M

👉 Public Service new working arrangements: https://str.sg/J9CA

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[11:01 am, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: When mrt breakdown. All shld wfh for that day

[11:02 am, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: Else later covid spread

[11:04 am, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Lol

[11:06 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: if all continue wfh, then bosses don't have to worry about staff coming late because mrt broke down

[11:07 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: To answer the question: nope many don’t follow such rules. Masks off when inside office, jiak breakfast and drink Kopi. Chat without masks etc. it’s like things are back to normal liao so I expect another community cluster coming soon.

[11:08 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yep.....

[11:08 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: i second that observation!

[11:09 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Take a look at all other countries when they let down their guard you will know.

[11:09 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Unless you tell me you have Heath officers patrolling all offices

[11:10 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: even with SDAs now and they remind people to wear  their masks properly, all they do is pull it back up, then pull it back down when the SDA walks off. you can't be policing everyone every second of the day

[11:11 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: so practically, why are we then opening up when the virus is still clearly lurking around? it's clear based on the one-two community cases that come from dunno where

[11:17 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Up till today MOH still dunno where the Mandarin Orchard Hotel cluster come from

[11:17 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: lol

[11:17 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Roster 2 days for every staff to work at home, and 3 days in office as per the 75% / 25% guidelines.

2. Request all staff to maintain social distancing measure eg. Put on mask, 8 person maximum in a group etc.

3. Encourage all staff to vaccinate when their turn come and where they are medically fit to vaccinate. Preparing to lead a pre-covid working life is the aspiration.

4. Boss lead by example to vaccinate when their turn come, put on the mask and maintain social distancing in office.

[11:20 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: i don't even think it should be a roster. it should still be WFH default for those, but you can increase the quota for the number of people allowed in office to g up to 75%

[11:21 am, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: 👍

[11:21 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

More countries has reported positive outcome that vaccination indeed have curb covid infection.

Vaccination now become the de-facto solution to defeat the covid pandemic.

[11:21 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: not all offices have the ability to "socially distance". workstations are usually in a cluster. when you have a 75% capacity, there's no way that you can do the alternate seating anymore. so there will be people who are seated next to each other, and with masks off in office, that's just disaster waiting to happen

[11:21 am, 29/03/2021] +Timothy Low: Working from home is the safest. It will help to reduce road traffic and thus carbon emission and its more time efficient to work at home

[11:22 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agreed

[11:25 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yes yes, i get that vaccination is key. but shouldn't we reopen only AFTER a good proportion of the working population have been vaccinated?

[11:27 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If all work at home, that means boss can engage and outsource to foreign workers who demand much lesser salary who are working overseas at home to do Singaporean work.

2. Also boss prefer staff to value add from people to people interaction in office, meeting clients for opportunities and brainstorming for ideas.

[11:28 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: er... no.... not all work can be outsourced. please stop fearmongering...

[11:29 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not all work can be done working from home.

[11:31 am, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Agree. Let them have the freedom to choose and negotiate

[11:31 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: exactly. thus those who cannot work from home can go back, those who can should still WFH as default. you can increase capacity to 75% to allow for greater collaboration within the team, but it should not be mandated/rostered/scheduled/coerced/pressured.

[11:34 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There is no need to pressure or coerce.

Those staff who perform well in hybrid arrangement working in office and WFH - will get good appraisal.

Those who insist on WFH and not appear in office despite the need to do so but cannot perform as well will get poorer appraisal.

[11:34 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: personally i've found it more efficient working from home. i haven't had any disruptions so far, better ergonomics since i can customise my workstation in a way that works for me. minimal disruption during the day cos it's a lot faster for me to grab a pack of biscuits from my kitchen than it is for me going downstairs to buy a bao. at home i've configured my workstation with an additional screen, in office i don't have that 2nd screen to work off cos we're hotdesking. whatever materials i need are available remotely. if anything, we chat on the phone or schedule a zoom call.

[11:36 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: that IS coercion isn't it? and it's a false equivalence to equate WFH and performance. if you can perform well on 100% WFH, it shouldn't matter whether you're physically in office. likewise if you're kan chui in your outputs, it doesn't matter whether you're WFH or physically in office cos you're not adding value to the company.

[11:38 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well simple as that.

If staff don't meet clients in person, I can't see how clients will want to zoom with staff.

[11:40 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: you're assuming that every job is a sales job... and even if we're talking about sales jobs, you can move around to meet clients, we're not in a lockdown. but it still doesn't mean you MUST go back to office after that. it's still a choice whether you can complete your paperwork in office or at home

[11:42 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Look like boss can sell off the office already.

Why need an office and pay high rent when staff don't turn up for work.

[11:42 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/dbs-joins-global-banks-surrendering-office-space-in-hong-kong

As more staff work from home, DBS release more office space due to high rental.

[11:43 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: you can give up office space and hotdesk. that's cost saving for the company, which is a good thing

[11:43 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Including employing more foreign staff.

[11:44 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Many backend jobs can engage cheaper foreign staff.

[11:45 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

No need to pay CPF some more.

[11:46 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: 🙄 sure. everything outsource. sg has no value except showing face. such high regard.

[11:49 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Showing face with no value add - has no value to boss.

Boss want staff to have initiatives, value creation, able to bring more business opportunities to work, brainstorm new ideas to improve work process, bring in new business, transform business etc.

Zooming can't produce all the above.

Hiding at home working like a donkey don't produce such dynamics.

[11:51 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I think in future will be hybrid of onsite and wfh. If you need to wfh today just tell boss and can do so.

[11:51 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: that is not true. you CAN produce these results even via zoom. the only question is capability. are you zai enough to deliver these results nonetheless?

[11:52 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Agree.

That's the right way going forward.

[11:53 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: so who's the better worker? one who can produce value add only when they're physically present, or one who can bring value to the company regardless where he/she is?

[11:53 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Out of sight of mind.

You don't understand human dynamic and human psychology.

[11:53 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: End of the day wfh should always be an option for those who want

[11:53 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: But this isn’t the case now

[11:53 am, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Bosses might say all must go to office

[11:54 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Out of sight out of mind.

You don't understand human dynamic and human psychology.

[11:55 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: i may not understand them but i still did well enough for my appraisals, tyvm.

[11:55 am, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: That’s why companies go into digitalisation. After business process re-engineering , more and more jobs can be performed remotely if the company built secured and high available infrastructure .

Singaporeans has to smarten up to identify what’s we can do best in SG and those skills set that can be developed and aced here .  

By then so long the job permits , anyone can choose to work from home .

[11:55 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: amazing how little you need to understand to do well huh?

[11:56 am, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Tweak the kpi,  supervisors would drive things differently .

[11:58 am, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Haha then don't need Boss 👄

[11:58 am, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: AI boss 😜

[11:58 am, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

You will be surprised what boss can do.

[11:59 am, 29/03/2021] +CQ: if according to you employees all have to come up with ideas, do everything, meet clients, bring in biz, by that reason boss really no value add

[0:00 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Hopefully

[0:00 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I have seen quite a number of restructuring.

I am sharing my experience.

Don't cry one day suddenly a person's job are loss - because it was outsource.

[0:01 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I actually torn between the two

[0:01 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Sometimes really need to go back to office

[0:02 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: It had been the case for many IT companies . Note that IBM and HP started work from home concept in 1995 .   I enjoyed the flexibility .  The success is because the mgt measured me on my performance and of course the org has to provide collaboration tool so that we can meet from home with our colleagues too

[0:03 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Of course .. major meetings, system maintenance etc . Got to go back office .

[0:05 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

DBS at one time outsource all the IT backend work to India - and the whole local IT staff lost their jobs.

After a few years, DBS in-source back.

[0:06 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: DBS outsource to IBM since early 2000 .

[0:07 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes. That's is the shockwave - the 1st major outsource where local IT staff lose their jobs.

[0:07 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yeah, having this kind of flexibility is great. it allows cost savings on the company's part also, because you don't need to factor as much overhead costs per employee in terms of 1-employee-1-desk. you can have a ratio of 3 employees to 2 desks, then whoever needs to book can book. you can still maintain that same office space if you want to, but you build more meeting/collab rooms for discussions, cos this is sorely lacking in a lot of offices

[0:09 pm, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Canon sales folks no office. Sales folks should be on the road 🥺

[0:09 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So does canon staff feel a sense of identity or belonging?

[0:10 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yes my wife just move desk cos they release one more floor space

[0:10 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why I say - Out of sight out of mind.

Singaporean need to understand human dynamic and human psychology.

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Why not?

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Sense of belonging doesn’t just need a desk

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: good one!

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: I’ve worked in org where I’ve a desk but no one talks to me at all

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: End up I feel so lonely didn’t stay long

[0:14 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Agree .. it saves space and spaces are created mostly for collaboration or labs . 

In my context , project delivery and engineering also can work  from home too .  Unless the clients’ security requirement , the default is staff all can work from home .

[0:14 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ben: Whilst community cases are very rare, it's not clear why gov is recommending  people go back to work while the vaccination programme has only just started for those under 60. Surely waiting for the vaccine to be administered to the majority of working age people would make more sense?

[0:14 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well there are 2 group of staff previously in my office.

1. Onsite mainstream staff.

2. Remote moving staff that don't have office.

Group 2 turn out to have lower corporate identity, and lower sense of belonging.

[0:15 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yep, totally agree

[0:16 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: There was one role previous where I’m a roving engineer and I mix with lots of different team members. I felt very strong sense of belonging.

[0:18 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well a mix is the best.

In office and roving and work at home.

Cannot be always stay at home, or always roving or always stay in office.

[0:19 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: It is difficult . You either pay a space or don’t .  It is a waste of $ just to keep a space for a wfh worker .

[0:20 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why there's a combination of fixed office space and hotdesk.

[0:21 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Hotdesking bro

[0:22 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Hot desking does not guarantee space for workers .  Besides with the safe distancing required in office ..   I would not recommend hot desking in long run

[0:22 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else when boss always see office empty, what comes to the boss mind is - let's sell the office since no one wants to use it.

This is boss mentality.

[0:22 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree this hotdesking concept before covid

[0:23 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Finance .  Business Rental is not cheap in SG .

[0:23 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: that's a good mentality. reduce office space, convert to hotdesking, save on monthly rental.

[0:24 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Soon Singaporean will have no office.

And bosses will be thinking, can employ foreign workers who can permanently work off-site.

[0:25 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Yeah . My usual room for 4 can only takes 2 now .  I got to pay rent for 4 .. I might well surrender and use the  $$$ to fund my team’s wfh or rent co space eg justco which is still cheaper .

[0:25 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I have seen quite a few such cases.

DBS is just one example.

[0:26 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ben: Agreed

[0:26 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: This has Already started many years ago just that many  didn’t realise .   That’s why co-space companies were doing well for past 5 years

[0:28 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

When Singaporean can't see this trend, more jobs will be outsource.

Then more Singaporean will lose jobs.

[0:30 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Singaporeans workers has to start appreciating cost and finance .  So long they don’t value add and yet expensive , they will be easily replaced

[0:30 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless Singaporean workers can convince boss keeping and continuing engaging local staff - has much more values than engaging foreign workers to do your job.

Else Singaporean will have to worry what is our value add.

[0:32 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Shares office space is now the trend

[0:32 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Just pay membership and you can use the space any of their offices

[0:33 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: Six F&B outlets ordered shut for breaches of Covid-19 measures, three fined

Six food and beverage (F&B) outlets were ordered to close and three were fined for breaching safe management measures, said the Ministry of Sustainability and the Environment (MSE) on Monday (March 29).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/six-fb-outlets-ordered-shut-for-breaches-of-covid-19-measures-three-fined

[0:33 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Yup .. it is the trend and more conventional office space will be let go

[0:35 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yep! this is awesome actually. you have shared facilities like shared pantry, printer/copier, receptionist (who can receive documents), meeting rooms.... you don't need to maintain your own which means lower costs!

[0:36 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim hope businesses move towards that

[0:36 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Just be mindful of security and confidentiality work .. that’s why these people also can choose to work from home .

[0:36 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Free up space and more flexi for workers

[0:38 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: definitely! just need to be mindful of that but all you need to do is to tweak your operations slightly to cater for that. but of course, co-working spaces work better for some industries than others.

[0:41 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Besides all ,  hope more workers  understand and practiced techniques to stay productive ..  eg effective meetings , effective email communications , develop better digital business processes .   Many things can be achieved within the daily workday .

[0:42 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yes!!! and if it can be an email, put it in an email! not everything has to be a 1-hour meeting!

[0:43 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Meeting has to be conducted properly .. very organised with proper agenda so that don’t waste time .

[0:44 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: +1

[0:46 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: for sure! i've attended so many meetings where the person leading is just going through the draft point-by-point painfully instead of focusing on just the key issues. i find that this is a skill which is lacking, but nothing that some mentoring and experience can't fix! I make it a point to provide feedback to my juniors after the meeting (privately of course) to encourage them and how to do better for the next meeting they're chairing.

[0:48 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ben: 🙏

[0:51 pm, 29/03/2021] +KS Foong: Those who had good mindset and self motivation will remain productive no matter where they are. Issue is, what and where are the norm ?

[1:35 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Examples of how WFH (Work from Home) - can do a social media pseudo diplomacy - without incurring political prices.

[1:35 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So my posting in SCMP is effective.

[1:37 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sat, March 27, 2021, 12:59 AM

U.S. needs new understanding with China or it risks conflict, Kissinger says Speaking at a Chatham House event in London via Zoom, Kissinger said the ultimate question was whether or not the United States and its Western allies could develop an understanding with China about a new global order. "If we don't get to that point and if we don't get to an understanding with China on that point then we will be in a pre-World War One-type situation in Europe, in which there are perennial conflicts that get solved on an immediate basis but one of them gets out of control at some point," he said. 

"It is infinitely more dangerous now than it was then," Kissinger said. He said the high-tech weaponry on both sides could lead to a very gave conflict.

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[2:24 pm, 25/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: America if emulate what Henry Kissinger do - geopolitical tension will instantly be released.

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[1:56 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahahaha.

MRT need to be in tip top condition - if people are to go back to office to work.

Today's problem look like a complex signalling issue - where Thales the France conglomerate need to rectify.

[2:02 pm, 29/03/2021] +Stella Yip: True but how can our public bus service be an effective alternative to serve the public when such issues happen again.

[2:03 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Public bus service should provide redundancy to MRT service - to pre-empt such breakdown.

[2:05 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore now has higher bandwidth submarine fibre directly to US.

[2:07 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That means social media content now becoming increasingly important.

[2:13 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: +1

[2:42 pm, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Inevitable. Matter of time they will take over our jobs 😜

[2:43 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: for the wheelchair people too

[2:43 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: bus may be a better option

[2:46 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Then Singaporean must value add to make our presence felt and cannot be replaced by off-site foreign workers.

That is precisely my flurry of messages here.

Else thinking as a boss, if I spend so much money to pay local staff salary, what other value add local staff are giving me - in which foreign workers can't give?

I am not opening a business for charity - I need to make money.

Working hard is not good enough.

\[2:48 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: 👍 totally... if your job can done outsource likely it will be outsource

[2:48 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because I can engage 2 foreign workers at the salary of 1 local staff - who can work equally hard and give me double the output.

[2:49 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Sometime 2 also can’t do out one job... but our pay can hire more than 3 or 4 than it makes a big different

[2:51 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why Singaporean must be smart to think about our and our future.

1. We must think like our boss.

2. We must be careful foreign workers don't replace our jobs that can be done remotely.

3. We must be able to value add - in which foreign workers can't replace our jobs if work remotely.

This is the gist of my whole list of messages here.

[2:51 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: Job.

[2:54 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Hence the need to improve and getting relevant to the gobal economy.. we really have to go out to learn from others and bring it in. Rather than we bring in talent to teach us which sometimes are not as cutting edge. 

Balance of both side so we can gain over our ASEAN counter parts. Of course to a high extend stable government also why we are doing so well here in Singapore as investors are more willing to invest in us.

[2:56 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus local Singaporean must not only need to work hard, but also need to work smart.

[3:02 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/581807/amp

Having a degree makes you top 6% of the world population. So if we were to go overseas.. you should know how valuable we are.

[3:03 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Yes . I agree

[3:05 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Most degree graduates are in cities.. as supply demand.. that’s why we feel under paid. 

If only we dare to explore 🤣

Lol... if...

[3:06 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Realistically , once moved overseas .  Wages vary and its about PPP and we can’t use Sing$ as a yardstick

[3:08 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Living standard is different everywhere... if we paid the same 3rd world.. lol should be more than most manager/GM.. realistic not possible.. but to climb up higher in overseas for sure yes possible.

[3:08 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To cite an example, previously our group is bidding for an international project.

1. One US very strong conglomerate bid.

2. One EU conglomerate bid.

3. One local conglomerate bid.

To beat all these strong overseas conglomerates - our solution need to be very niche.

1. We shouldn't use the products that we traditionally source from that US conglomerate.

2. We know what are the product solutions and it's prices that both US conglomerate and EU conglomerates will be - based on our many dealing with them.

3. We just need to come out with hybrid solutions that are source from our own R&D, source from non-traditional sources and even get those products from the 2 conglomerates that we can't get from other sources - but as technically sound as the 2 conglomerates but bid at a much lower price than their.

Even at a high bid price than the local conglomerate, we won the bid - because we are price competitive and yet technically competent.

Thus working hard is given, we must must also work smart and must be able to beat global competitors.

[3:09 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Big fish is a small pond, or small fish in the big sea.

[3:09 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Agree . Just be realistic and opportunities are there .

[3:10 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Chemical engineering for instance .. it is a plenty of opportunities overseas

[3:11 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Yup... I want to go.. but wife don’t let me 🥲

Still trying to convince her haiz.. I have a chem eng degree lol doing quality

[3:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Easily a manager when go overseas 😅

[3:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Rather than small executive here 🙃

[3:12 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: My son is in Chem also ; I am trying to push me out of SG too .   There are more demands for Chem qualification in developed countries too

[3:13 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: Him*

[3:13 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Lol too comfortable out government made here 🤣🤣

[3:14 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Seen many even without degree go out made it well there.. but if course the loneliness and longer work hours comes with it..

[3:15 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Being bilingual we are high in demand..

[3:16 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: i've had friends who moved to Australia and Canada. neither of them are particularly high fliers here, yet they're much happier where they are now and it's a more comfortable life. not hard to see why, esp with SG bosses who expect their employees to "bao sua bao hai bao ti bao dueh", don't want to pay a lot, expect staff to be always visible and value add, but perpetually hanging the threat of outsourcing to someone cheaper better faster in India.

[3:18 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Lol cause we are quite good at Bao Sua Bao Hai.. lol that’s why we are still hired..

Not many countries can take such high load.

[3:18 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: They will flip table lol.. we won’t just complaint and continue to work 🤣

[3:18 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yah, but that's why SG is so high stress right? no matter how much the staff can do, the bosses are never satisfied

[3:19 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Oh well squeeze what they can.. lol

I junior executive take over AM role lol.. for 3 years still not even Senoir 🙃🙃🙃

[3:19 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Not happy leave lor lol

[3:19 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Just wait for my hours clocked then will be good bye move on

[3:20 pm, 29/03/2021] +Poh S Lim: 😂doing senior job for junior pay

[3:20 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Very common isn’t it?

[3:20 pm, 29/03/2021] +CQ: yah lor. just that boss will never look out for your interests, you have to look after your own...

[3:21 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: Err cannot... cause must follow rules... so I promote every 2 years lor.. the only compromise lol

[3:21 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: AM if promote every 2 years I would that 8 years 😑

[3:22 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ken: 5 years will move on to be manager Liao.. who want to wait 8 years 😒

[3:28 pm, 29/03/2021] +Leonard Lau: It’s not about the MGR role ; it’s the exposure as well .  Highly Engineering feat usually can be experienced in developed countries where we don’t usually see here

[3:32 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why we must do our own R&D.

Then we can match highly engineering feat of developed countries.

Our standard are not too far off from theirs.

This is the value add to our boss that I am talking about.

[3:52 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Previously, many of our technical people and sales people mindset - is to source from foreign high tech products, package it, integrate it and then bid for the tender.

Then I ask what is your value add if your competitors do the same as you do.

It is then who cut price better and compromise profit margin to win bid and work very hard to put the solutions together.

Do you think boss will be happy?

We must attempt to R&D products and solutions, source from non-traditional sources, come out with creative and innovative solutions - in which your local competitors and foreign competitors don't have.

Then you can win the bid with niche solutions - in which no other competitors can beat you - and yet earn a good profit margin.

That's is our value add.

[4:03 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

With such niche solutions, customers will have to keep renewing maintenance with us - because no other vendors can maintain our niche solutions.

Then we secure recurrent business.

For competitors who package off-the-shelf solutions, customers if not happy with the service can easily outsource the maintenance to other competitors - and you will lose the recurrent maintenance contract.

This is the value add - the boss want to hear - not just show face in office.

[4:13 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: 21 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all imported

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moh-covid-19-new-cases-singapore-imported-community-march-29-14514782

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[4:18 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Good R&D stuff.

[4:18 pm, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: Wonderful idea..the auto safe gadget. Making checking in easy 👍👍👍

[4:18 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is what I mean - value add.

[4:21 pm, 29/03/2021] +jimmy chew: We should praise government when they do well

[4:22 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

I am fair and objective.

[4:51 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: In Sg also have but very little

[5:26 pm, 29/03/2021] +Rama: PSI hits unhealthy level due to high ozone:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/psi-hits-unhealthy-level-due-high-ozone?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[5:27 pm, 29/03/2021] +Rama: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/malaysia-reimburses-singapore-102-million-for-costs-incurred-in-terminated-kl-spore-hsr?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg

[5:51 pm, 29/03/2021] +Ben: Curious, are these arrivals by plane and are they tested before boarding?

[5:58 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: As population ages, Government committed to ensuring affordable, quality healthcare: DPM Heng

As Singapore’s population ages, the Government remains committed to making sure citizens have access to affordable and quality healthcare, Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat said on Monday (Mar 29) as he marked Singapore General Hospital’s (SGH) bicentennial celebration. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/ageing-population-singapore-healthcare-sgh-heng-swee-keat-14516944

[6:11 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: Hong Kong calls for mandatory vaccination in travel bubble talks with Singapore

All passengers taking advantage of a travel bubble between Hong Kong and Singapore should be vaccinated, the government of the territory proposed on Monday (March 29).

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/hong-kong-calls-for-mandatory-vaccination-in-travel-bubble-talks-with-singapore

[6:31 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: https://youtu.be/mDytggB26bg?t=93

[6:35 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Which poll is this done by bro? Straits Times?

[6:35 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: should be

[6:35 pm, 29/03/2021] +Caleb: video is by ST

[6:38 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: 👍🏻

[6:45 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Another example of what WFH social media pseudo diplomacy can do and work wonders to resolve complex global problems - without incurring political costs.

[6:45 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[6:45 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

China will not surpass US as global leader on his watch, says Biden

26 Mar 2021 03:32AM (Updated: 26 Mar 2021 08:32AM)

CNA mews

Biden, who plans to unveil a multi-trillion-dollar infrastructure proposal next week, said he would ensure increased US investment in promising new technologies, such as quantum computing, artificial intelligence and biotechnology.

He said he aimed to return US investment in research and technology development closer to the 2 per cent of GDP invested in the 1960s from the current rate of about 0.7 per cent.

"We are going to make real investments," he said, noting China spending three times more than the United States on infrastructure.

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[1:46 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

eg. 2 not planning strategic competitiveness of industry and business -- left to market forces whereby business will just sell their business for money when become profitable. Thus strategic industry like telecoms, semiconductor, 5G, etc are lost --- because Government fail to do long-term strategic planning.

eg. 3 no long term planning for infrastructure upgrade

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CNA News 26 Mar 2021 03:32AM (Updated: 26 Mar 2021 08:32AM)

"He (Xi) doesn't have a democratic - with a small 'd' - bone in his body, but he's a smart, smart guy," Biden said.

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[1:45 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Part 1 - Socialism System vs Democratic System ---

Into a Hybrid System (Democracy in Communism) and (Pre-qualified elected candidate in a Democratic System)

1. Democracy in Communism - Core Leaders are elected by the Party - according to meritocracy, compassion, and ability to bring progress, peace and prosperity to the Country. 

(In future if confidence develop, the Party-elected core leaders --- can open up to the citizens --- whereby Core Leaders sell their governing visions to the citizens --- and citizens can vote whether they support the Party vision or not. If more than 50% is secured - then the Core Leaders will form the Government. Else a new set of core leaders needed to be re-elected by the Party.

This could be a new kind of democracy in Communism --- whereby continuation of Governance, long-term strategic planning, political stability can be ensured.

[4:03 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The solution is to move the 2 Superpowers into middle ground - where their differences are reconciliable.

[4:04 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Like what the China diplomats always say - meet each other half way.

This is the middle path resolution.

[4:07 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

From 2 opposing extreme irreconcilable poles - move them into the middle - hence the middle path resolution.

[4:08 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And first have to start with their system of governance.

[4:39 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

When both system of governance are corrected and move into middle ground - all their differences and core interest will automatically be solved.

[4:54 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the Thucydides trap can't apply to China - because China win its legitimacy and support from other Nations - based on its merits and relationships - through wholesome governance, domestic support, ties with international countries, trade and business.

The accusations of autocratic government no longer apply.

[4:55 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Difficult issues like HK, Xinjiang, Tibet and possibly Taiwan - can also be resolve.

[5:01 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Got time then elaborate.

This is the key to resolve the seemingly unsolvable deadlock.

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CNA News 26 Mar 2021 03:32AM (Updated: 26 Mar 2021 08:32AM)

"China has an overall goal ... to become the leading country in the world, the wealthiest country in the world and the most powerful country in the world," Biden told reporters at the White House. "That's not going to happen on my watch because the United States is going to continue to grow."

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[2:08 pm, 25/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Mr LKY say, we can punch above our weight - not because we are big, not because we are rich, not because we are powerful.

It is because of our soft power, our ability to emphatse, our ability to work with anyone and our ability to work out mutual benefits with everyone.

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CNA News 26 Mar 2021 03:32AM (Updated: 26 Mar 2021 08:32AM)

"He (Xi) doesn't have a democratic - with a small 'd' - bone in his body, but he's a smart, smart guy," Biden said.

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[6:21 pm, 24/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Btw, I have posted all my comments about the key to resolve China and US tension in SCMP (South China Morning Post).

Our politicians need not bring up any solutions that are deem sensitive to China politicians that could compromise our national interest.

China leaders are very smart people.

They will determine whether it will help them or not.

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CNA News 26 Mar 2021 03:32AM (Updated: 26 Mar 2021 08:32AM)

In an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, the Chinese ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, said China's goal is to "meet the growing aspiration of the Chinese people for a better life". "Our goal is not to compete with or replace any other country. This is never our national strategy."

He said dividing the world is not a solution that will help get rid of the coronavirus, tackle climate change or eradicate poverty.

"We don't think any attempt to divide the world into different camps or even build confrontational military blocs, we don't think that this kind of approach is a solution."

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[5:21 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Trump fast track the breaking the world apart into 2 Blocs with his :-

1. Trade war (turn inward) - force China to do dual circulation.

2. Tech war - force China to develop its own tech instead of trade in tech parts.

3. Financial war - force China to develop digital yuan and break away from US dollars Swift system.

Now in front of us is impending head-on confrontation that need to be defused quickly before it degenerate into 2 blocs and trigger World war 3.

Alaska spark and fury - also give indication how urgent it is to defuse the 2 Superpowers tension.

[4:02 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If countries take sides, then world war 3 will break up - because of irreconcilable differences between 2 blocs.

This is what happens to world war 1 and 2.

[5:13 pm, 22/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because 2 blocs will snatch scarce resources - as they are not sharing it and trade on it for mutual benefits - hence world war break out.

In world war 2, nazi facism and ancient jap want to snatch rich resources in China and SE Asia - started World war 2.

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Coincidental or Biden read and echo?

It is anybody's guess.

The good thing is, wise man thinks alike - and if can defuse a global disaster - all the better.

My guess is :- cannot be so many identical comments - just a few days apart.

Both could have read my postings in SCMP.

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[6:45 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Yahoo online news diabled "Comments" in 2020 due to US Presidential election, whereby online netizens no longer able to comment on Singapore news or International news.

2. Similarly, CNA online news also remove the "Comments section" in 2020 just before the General Election 2020 - and never open since.

3. A goggle search also reveal many online news worldwide disable "Comments" - even though they express values in feedback from online news readers. Many World mainstream media eg. AL.com, Reuters, Chicago Sun-Times, The week, Mic,Recode, Popular Science, The Washington Post

a. Mainstream media can engage readers

b. Get feedback

c. Online audience interactions

d. Ensure more online readership - that will bring more online ads and sponsorship for the mainstream media

e. Build a strong community - and be able to monetise readership.

f. Retain once-loyal print readership to the digital platform and not annoying them by disabling the "online comments section"

g. Comments section contributed by online netizens - are "content" too.

4. The "comments" are disabled or remove citing :-

a. Abusive comments

b. Hateful speech

c. Bully

d. Ridicule correspondents and reporters' news article

e. Fearful of legal liability

f. Not enough resources (or no budget) from mainstream media to moderate or filter the netizens comments.

g. Inciting hatred or social unrest against the Government or Society or influence elections.

5. The only mainstream online media that still allow reader online comments is SCMP (South China Morning Post).

Surprisingly, China is more liberal than US and the West to allow online expression of free speech.

SCMP online comments are very structured :-

- SCMP cover not only China news, HK news, but also International news that are categorised according to region eg. US, EU, East Asia, SE Asia, Africa, Russia, Middle East etc --- just like any other international media.

- it allow comments only for 14 days for every news article.

- 1500 words are allow for each comments.

- healthy comments are seen for each news articles. It can go up to few hundred comments for popular news.

- it is well patronised by not only China and HK netizens, SCMP is equally well patronised by Americans, Britsh, Canadians, Aussie and other nationalities - based on their self-expressed profile.

- the comments are of high quality, constructive - regardless of whether they are supportive or critical of the news.

- but I noticed something, China netizens mainly posts supportive of their government official line. Whereas the Western netizens are critical toeing the US, and the West official line.

- What is lacking are impartial, neutral and solutions that are able to resolve and break deadlock.

- Also noticed that all comments are carefully collected, organised and i believe analysed by SCMP (sanction by China Authorities).

- I won't be surprised that US and the West news intelligence will also carefully monitor SCMP news as well as netizens comments ---- since China and US are tussling for geopolitical influence.

- Hence look like posting good opinion, views and even solutions that can resolved China-US geopolitical tensions in SCMP could be a good approach - a psuedo foreign affairs diplomacy that will prevent backlash if voice by politicians.

- SCMP for comments can only sign-in via facebook, google, apple and email - so it is targeting many foreigners and China nationals who have privilege with such accounts to access. 

6. In fact, with China-US tension rising, all the more important, social media comments to influence politicians thoughts and actions become of vital importance.

a. A couple of years ago, Trump get ready 80 nuclear bombs, and US nuclear stealth bombers run a few sortie to test run dropping of nuke bombs near NKorea.

b. De-classified documents mention ex-Defense Secretary sleep with his military uniform on, to get ready in case Trump activate him to do live bombing any time.

c. Whereas NKorea missile test launch Intermediate range ballistic missile that landed near Guam. In one false alarm, Guam residents scrambled into sewaage hole thinking nuclear missiles have been launched.

d. Luckily in the nick of time, a flurry of social media comments in Yahoo online news and CNA news online manage to convince the NKorea leader to pull back just in time through his new year speech and averted a near nuclear attack. Else the world won't be able to talk about "bromance" and take up the suggestion to come to Singapore Sentosa for peace talk. Asia will be breathing nuclear radiation.

e. 1 nuclear bomb is 10 times more powerful than the atomic bomb drop in Japan. 80 nuclear bombs will have the effect of 800 times more powerful - and the whole of East Asia will be cover with nuclear cloud - and the whole of Asia could have died a slow and painful death through cancer from the nuclear radiation.

7. Hope SCMP online comments (the last online platform - to hear the public voice) will remain open and not disabled. This coming decades won't be a peaceful world - it can be turbulent. 

Mainstream Politicians may not be enough to hold back any geopolitical tussle, may need to enlist the help of social media netizens to hold back any eventual "Holocaust" confrontation....... (but mainstream online media are not helping ---- like Yahoo online, CNA online etc...)

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[6:46 pm, 29/03/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Trump on the verge of nuking NKorea with 80 nuclear bombs previously - each nuclear bomb 10 times more powerful than the atomic bomb drop in Japan.

If NKorea leader didn't pull back in the nick of time - the whole Asia Pacific region will now cover with nuclear cloud - a human calamity.

And we will now be bombarded by nuclear radiation - dying slowly from cancer.

[6:47 pm, 29/03/2021] +Alvin Lim: Gdnite Megan!

[7:01 pm, 29/03/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

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