REACH - 80. Home based voilence - How to support fellow citizens (SK)
15 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[12:09 pm, 15/05/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 15 May]
COVID-19 Info Bot
😷 Should children wear masks?
- Yes, children 2 and above should wear masks
- Mask-wearing is not recommended for children below 2 for child safety reasons
- Exceptions for groups with difficulties wearing a mask, eg. children with special needs
🔧 Can I call for a repairman to come to my house?
- Yes, you can call for a repairman for emergency household services for: plumbing, electricity, cable, aircon, locks, consumer electronics/IT peripherals/household appliances
👵 Can I care for my elderly relative?
- Minimise physical interactions with seniors, avoid exposing them to risk of infection
- Can still visit elderly family members to assist with their daily needs, if there is no one else living with them who can do so
- Do not visit if you are unwell
- Support them by keeping in contact through phone/video calls, bringing food & essentials for daily needs
Have questions regarding COVID-19?
Find answers at: go.gov.sg/covid-infobot

[1:46 pm, 15/05/2020] : Dear contributors, welcome back!
⏰This chat will be open till 9pm⏰
📢Topic: 📢
With the extension of the circuit breaker to 1 June, some in the chat groups have expressed concerns on its social impact, including the mental well-being or violence and abuse.
The National Care Hotline has been set up to provide emotional support, while employers and workers are also encouraged to take steps to support mental well-being during this period. To prevent incidents of family violence, the authorities are also taking a more proactive approach to help high-risk victims, including enhanced measures by the police.
What can we as a community do to support the psychological well-being and resilience of our fellow Singaporeans during this time?
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/over-6600-calls-made-to-national-care-hotline
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/coronavirus-more-cases-of-family-violence-during-circuit-breaker-police-to
👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-landmarks-lit-in-blue-to-put-spotlight-on-mental-health
👉https://www.gov.sg/article/call-these-helplines-if-you-need-emotional-or-psychological-support
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[1:58 pm, 15/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
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CNA
14 May 2020 09:48PM
(Updated: 15 May 2020 08:46AM)
*All pre-school staff* to be swabbed for COVID-19 before centres resume full services

About 30,000 pre-school and early intervention staff, including teachers, principals, programme staff, administrative staff, cooks and cleaners, will take the one-time swab tests, the Early Childhood Development Agency (ECDA) said in response to questions from CNA on Thursday (May 14).
“After pre-school services fully resume, we will consider a *risk-based* testing system to protect children and staff,” an ECDA spokesperson told CNA.
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[8:51 pm, 04/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend comments - something we can improve upon:-

5. The most hideous part of this pandemic is that there are asymptomatic patients who may go around and pass the virus quietly. The gov *evidence-based approach* then become a *reactive*. Remember, how many times we were briefed that "there is no evidence that..."


[3:13 pm, 10/04/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Joint contribution with my close friend :-

Part 3 - What we can attempt to do better

Part #3:-
(1) I can understand that Singapore wants an *evidence-based approach*,  Scientific approach but the virus spread faster than evidence can proof. We need to adopt a *risk-based approach* to be proactive in tackling this virus pandemic.

[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend comments :-
(4) But every asymptomatic case that slip by can turn into a thousand cases in 10days. When it quietly spread until beyond control, we are finished.
(5) Really hope sg is doing aggressive testing.

My comments :-
(1) Aggressive testings is the right approach, but to test all 5.6 million residents in Singapore at one go - is a very challenging and daunting tasks.
(2) Thus we need to priorities our testing, I suggest that :-
Batch 3c - *Test all pre-school students and staff* who will be attending pre-school once circuit breaker ends - as some cases also come from this batch - number unknown --- but i guess quite a big number.

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[4:01 pm, 15/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
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1. It is important to determine the root cause of the home violence - in order to determine what help can be extended to the family.

2. The current virus pandemic have cause business to grind to a halt - and business owners will suffer from financial losses - that could put a strain on their family.

3. Some people may have lost their jobs which could be sole breadwinner - that strain family relationship on whether they will be able to place food on the table.

4. Some family violence could be deal to individuals who are aggressive or dominating by nature - and who tend to bully or abuse the weaker family members. Or some individuals may have tense relationship that cause conflicts at home.

5. Only by knowing the root causes - can social workers render the right assistance to the family violence.
eg. for those who needs jobs or finances, help them to find jobs in this difficult time.
eg. for those who have dominating or aggressive individual, social workers may have to step in to separate the individual and protect the victims.
eg. for neighbors that heard frequent commotion or victims crying for help - discreetly call the police or social workers to intervene and not let the violence escalates.

CQ (Candice Quek)
[4:04 pm, 15/05/2020] : Agree with the root cause investigation, otherwise we're just treating symptoms.

[8:49 pm, 15/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Is it a requirement for the barber and hairdresser to sanitize their equipment after each customer?
Feedback that small shop barber and hairdresser did not do it.

REACH - 79. Concern about community transmission (SK)
14 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[10:38 am, 14/05/2020] : Greetings from REACH 🙂
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[11:04 am, 14/05/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 14 May]
COVID-19: Stay vigilant
✏️ As restrictions ease, community cases may rise again. We must be cautious
- 2nd wave of infections in many countries after relaxing measures
↔️ Some measures will remain
- Safe distancing
- Safe Management at workplaces
➡️ Need to manage dormitory cases
- With tests and monitoring, workers can return to work safely as economy gradually reopens
👵👴 Visiting family members in other households
- May need to maintain restrictions
- Seniors are vulnerable. COVID-19 can be fatal for them
More: go.gov.sg/vigilant-12may

[11:14 am, 14/05/2020] : Public ‘should not be overly alarmed’ over high number of COVID-19 cases: Manpower Minister
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-public-not-to-be-alarmed-manpower-minister-12731084

[11:16 am, 14/05/2020] : COVID-19: Singapore records more discharged cases than new patients in a day
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-more-discharge-new-patients-single-day-12729156

[11:16 am, 14/05/2020] +65 8637 2164: 22% increase in family violence reports since start of circuit breaker period: SPF
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/family-violence-domestic-abuse-police-reports-circuit-breaker-12731056

[11:51 am, 14/05/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! ☺️
⏰ Our chat will be open from 12pm to 8pm today.
🗒 REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
The topic will be posted shortly.
- Megan

[11:59 am, 14/05/2020] : ⏰ Our chat will be open till 8pm today ⏰
📢 Topic 📢
Although cases have surpassed a total of 25,000 yesterday, a total of 958 COVID-19 patients were discharged, in a new daily high. In all, more than 4,000 have fully recovered and discharged from hospitals and facilities. The number of new and unlinked cases within the community also continues to see a downward trend.
About 3,000 tests are being conducted daily within the foreign dormitories, and developments such as the mobile swab station (MSS) and mobile express scanner (MExS) allow for safer and faster testing of migrant workers.
Manpower Minister Josephine Teo has urged the public to not be "overly alarmed", even as the number of COVID-19 cases in Singapore remains elevated because of “comprehensive testing” among migrant workers.
Given the Government's calibrated approach and all the measures that have been implemented to contain the virus, how concerned are you with community transmission as we head towards Week 7 of the Circuit Breaker?
👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-25000-may-13-workers-dormitories-citizen-pr-12726762
👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-swab-tests-faster-safer-migrant-workers-dormitory-12728062
👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-public-not-to-be-alarmed-manpower-minister-12731084

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Rama
[12:08 pm, 14/05/2020] : Forum: Reconsider need to wear masks beyond circuit breaker period https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/forum-reconsider-need-to-wear-masks-beyond-circuit-breaker-period?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[12:19 pm, 14/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Without wearing masks, it is a sure guarantee of another wave of reinfection.
Look at US and Europe infection number and death rate that defy wearing masks versus the Asian number.
The lesson is not learn and foolhardy to suggest not wearing masks when the virus has no vaccines and no effective treatment.

Rama
[12:22 pm, 14/05/2020] : Have to educate those who still cannot accept and understand

SuperHero
[12:22 pm, 14/05/2020] : agree

Ben
[12:23 pm, 14/05/2020] : Agreed

Elena Woo
[12:23 pm, 14/05/2020] : Some of them educate also no use

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Alvin
[12:20 pm, 14/05/2020] : "Experts" are saying to use TraceTogether as mandatory when 1st June CB restrictions loosen
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Laurent
[1:29 pm, 14/05/2020] :
Harvard and MIT researchers are developing a face mask that lights up when it detects the coronavirus
 https://www.businessinsider.sg/coronavirus-face-mask-light-up-screening-tool-test-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

[2:10 pm, 14/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) This could be a game-changer in face mask.

(2) The face mask can behave like a test kit - to detect well but undetected infected person.

(3) Wonder if ST Engineering that produce face mask collaborate with A*Star or equivalent medical R&D lab produce such a face mask - where the sensor light up upon detection of covid-19 virus.

(4) The person with lit up sensor - indicate infection - and can be immediately send for treatment - and this will prevent community spreading.

Ben
[2:26 pm, 14/05/2020] : Presumably this detects when someone infected nearby breathes on you as well!

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CQ
[6:50 pm, 14/05/2020] : I was suggesting in this group yesterday that maybe if it's possible to issue dongles for the whole population for contact tracing instead of using NRIC or QR, so that there's less personal data that is at risk should the system/app/phone becomes compromised somehow. at least the information collected via the dongle would be isolated from all the other information.

REACH - 78. Use SafeEntry and TraceTogether (SK)
13 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[1:03 pm, 13/05/2020] : 📢 Topic 📢
1. Do you agree with the Government's approach to test aggressively as a mean to contain the virus (even if it means high number of reported cases now)?
2. How can we encourage more of the community to adhere to safe distancing, checking in to TraceTogether and SafeEntry, in support of the Government’s calibrated approach in reopening the economy?
The Multi-Ministry Taskforce implemented various initiatives to reduce the number of COVID-19 infections in the community, and stabilise the infections at the foreign worker dormitories.
The Taskforce has also implemented plans to clear the migrant worker dormitories and ensure that migrant workers are well and safely go back to work when their sectors gradually re-open after the end of the circuit breaker period.
Our extensive testing regime  and contact tracing capabilities have helped to detect these cases quickly. This early intervention has prevented large clusters from forming and most importantly helped reduce deaths.
Controlling the outbreak, preparing for the next phase
https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/controlling-the-outbreak-preparing-for-the-next-phase
Singapore eyes cautious easing of curbs if new cases stay low
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-eyes-cautious-easing-of-curbs-if-new-cases-stay-low
Reopening of the economy will be gradual and phased
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/reopening-of-the-economy-will-be-gradual-and-phased
Minister Lawrence Wong
https://www.facebook.com/LawrenceWongST/photos/a.597730213601659/3759957170712265/?type=3

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[2:27 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Do you agree to test aggressively even though high number is reported now?
(1) Answer is yes.
(2) We cannot fool ourselves by not testing and ensuring everyone is safe, happy that the number is low vis-a-vis other Countries - because the virus will do its jobs quietly to expose us and caught us flat-footed.

How to encourage people to adhere to safe-distancing, use SafeEntry and Tracetogether --- so that we can re-open the Economy in a calibrated approach?
(1) We need to ensure the working condition is safe as we open up our Economy in a calibrated approach.

(2) Because business is suffering and people are losing jobs and income - if we don't open up - but must do so in a calibrated approach to ensure that people are safe and yet able to keep the Economy, business and jobs going to bring in income.

(3) Maintaining safe distancing is a must - to ensure the infection won't flare up - as people are coming out into the Society - and human interaction will happen - that make virus infection a fertile ground.
What are the safe distancing measures to observe :-
a. Wear reusable mask at all times when step out of home, in work.

b. Maintain social distance of 1 meter apart between colleagues and customers and public.

c. Wash hands regularly with soap or sanitizer - and observe personal hygiene.

d. If feeling unwell, don't report to work and consult doctor immediately.

e. Only allow ta bao for breakfast, lunch, break, dinner. Ensure eating alone and not eat together with colleagues, friends or strangers and maintain at least 1 meter apart - because when eating or drinking, mask is off and saliva fly.
If people eat together, cross infection is highly likely to happen.

f. Avoid crowded places when going outside.

g. Avoid socializing, talks and keep meeting short - while maintaining a social distance of 1 meter with mask on.

h. Avoid shaking hands and physical contact.

i. Use SafeEntry by scanning QR code when enter into office, mall, or any establishment to check-in and when leaving the premises, to check-out.
- SafeEntry is a location based contact tracing and tracking mechanism - so that the time in and time out are recorded to facilitate contact tracing on all people in the premises at the same place, same time - in the event if contact tracing need to be conducted.

j. For those who are working and those opening up for, Tracetogether is a requirement as announce by the Government and workers will need to install the apps and activate the Bluetooth (as Government must have done a cost-benefit analysis assessing its benefits versus the risk - and decision is make to go ahead).
- Tracetogether is for the purpose of human-to-human contact tracing who come close to one another to facilitate contact tracing using Bluetooth.
- As individual (especially working people who uses their phone for business purpose or handling confidential transaction using your phone) - to protect your data, remember to activate the setting to save non-confidential data, contact list or other non-confidential apps to the Google Cloud (for Android users).
- For confidential data that should not be stored or save into the Google Cloud, backup your phone folder and data to your laptop harddisk and personal portable harddisk using versioning.
- Do Security virus scan to your phone and use security cleaner to clear your cache and memory at the end of the day - to ensure your phone is free from virus.

k. Will also like to hear about the roadmap of rolling out bluetooth dongle for those who like to adopt Bluetooth dongle as alternative to TraceTogether - which is also touted to do human-to-human contact tracing.


Candice Quek
[2:20 pm, 13/05/2020] : 1. Agree with the aggressive testing strategy. Would rather be seeing high numbers but at least we know the extent of the infection, rather than having low reported numbers just because we're not testing and we wouldn't know what we're dealing with. However, due consideration must be given to the fact that a negative test result is not a "free pass". The concern is whether the general population will form the mindset that "yay, I've tested negative. So I can go anywhere and do whatever I want because I'm certified 'clean'." This would be a dangerous mindset to have because for as long as you have just one person who has not yet been picked up, the rest of those who had previously tested negative is at risk of infection.

2. Think the main concern with TraceTogether (as an app) and SafeEntry (using QR codes) is the amount of personal data being collected, which is at risk if there should be a breach in data security. Especially when so much activity (online shopping, ebanking etc) is done on our phones, any breach would mean that there is a lot more information which is potentially at risk, and this in itself would make the more savvy individuals wary of the potential issues. Perhaps if dongles can be issued to everyone for the purposes of SafeEntry, it may serve to alleviate some of that concern, because even if that information is compromised, it would be limited solely to information in that dongle and not all other information which would be linked to our phones. You will also not have to depend on people to install the TraceTogether app, which is a voluntary action and honestly even if you manage to somehow coax, convince or coerce someone to install the all, they can easily uninstall it the second you turn your back. Standalone dongles would also solve the issue of people who do not use smartphones.


[2:57 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

Joint Contribution with my close friend :-

(1) Another thing to note and emphasize :- why SafeEntry location based tracking system is so important?

(2) Some may argue that having a human-to-human contact tracer is good enough - why need a location base contact tracer?

(3) The reason being, human-to-human contact tracing is not good enough - even though all human contact with the infected person are identified and trace and quarantine.

(4) Why, because the infected person may be touching lift button, handrail, tables, chairs, unload the saliva and phelgm onto the water basin, toilet bowl, door handle and everywhere.

(5) If no location-tracking such as SafeEntry --- there is no way immediate lockdown on the premises can take place to disinfect the whole premises.

(6) As such infection source don't come from the infected person - but the contaminated premises in which unsuspecting persons can get infected - even though they don't come into contact with the infected person.


Rama
[3:00 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agree

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[3:04 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

Joint Contribution with my close friend :-

(1) Having say so, we still have one missing link.

(2) What happen if the infected person take bus, take taxi, take MRT, walk around and cycle around - where he don't sign in into SafeEntry or even though he use Tracetogether (it can't identify the place he visit and the places he contaminated).
He will have touch the bus hanger, bus rail, bus seat, taxi door, taxi seat, mrt hangar, mrt seat with his contaminated hands.

(3) Then what will be the solution?
You need a GPS --- to track the route he take.

(4) But what happen, if he go underground where GPS cannot detect - as it is a satellite based system that need line-of-sight?

(5) Durn Durn Durn --- you will probably need the mobile data signal and GPS extender (that extend GPS signal out from underground to the above surface to receive satellite signal) to track him .......

Blue and White Flag Guy
[5:06 pm, 13/05/2020] : I'm sorry what? Bus Hanger? MRT Hangar?

[5:07 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Hahaha.
Handle.
Poor English.

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[4:08 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend contribution:-
People can be creative.
Social distancing when travelling on trucks.
Suggest this to be implemented when our FW return to work after quarantine.

Rama
[4:09 pm, 13/05/2020] : Inhumane!

[4:11 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This idea come from the workers themselves who want to protect themselves from mutual infection.

Candice Quek
[4:13 pm, 13/05/2020] : The main issue is whether having those dividers would have an impact on the safety if eg sudden braking occurs. I'm not sure whether the physics of inertia would cause the boards to collapse and crush the ones sitting on the inside closest to the driver. Perhaps someone with a stronger physics grounding should weigh in!

[4:13 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Good suggestion.

Candice Quek
[4:14 pm, 13/05/2020] : if there's no safety concern, then i have to say that the MW(s) who came up with this idea are GENIUSES!

[4:15 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
But notice the partitions are locked down, only not sure if they can withstand the force of a sudden brake.

Rama
[4:21 pm, 13/05/2020] : Comments from LTA/TP/MOM!?
[4:22 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agree

Stanley
[4:24 pm, 13/05/2020] : Why so many theories
Safest is to charter buses
Like fetching factory workers
Cost more but safety first

Rama
[4:24 pm, 13/05/2020] : You have a point

Ben
[4:25 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agreed. Good first step in improving conditions and respect.

Rama
[4:25 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agree

Candice Quek
[4:25 pm, 13/05/2020] : indeed!

Ben
[4:27 pm, 13/05/2020] : Let's see Singapore come out of this tragedy a better place for all her people, including FWs

Rama
[4:31 pm, 13/05/2020] : Yes

Ben
[4:35 pm, 13/05/2020] : I always remember the phrase... "I may not be able to make the world better for everyone, but I can try to make it better for someone." As we start to think about Post Covid - maybe it's a good time to think about small changes we can each make to build a better Singapore for those who make it the country we love.

[4:37 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Some people may not like the idea.
The idea come from the workers themselves based on the video narrative.
REACH is for brainstorming.
Any ideas can be raised.
If people like the idea adopt, if not just put aside if not socially acceptable.

Rama
[4:37 pm, 13/05/2020] : Yes

Ben
[4:38 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agreed - all ideas are valid and worth exploring!
[4:39 pm, 13/05/2020] : Certainly this makes sense in the short-term and any changes take time to implement.

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[5:37 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Come to think of it:-

Actually hired air-con bus, virus will stay inside the bus and circulate. More FW will be infected.

But in this lorry that is open air, virus get blow away and dissipate. In fact, less chance of getting virus infections as the partitions serve as physical barrier to virus transmission.

Bus don't have partitions as physical barrier.

Rama
[5:42 pm, 13/05/2020] : True

[5:39 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
The only drawback:-
1. Whether is it socially acceptable.
2. Whether the partition will collapse under a hard brake.
But no hard push to adopt it if people cannot accept the idea.

Rama
[5:42 pm, 13/05/2020] : Agree

Ben
[5:39 pm, 13/05/2020] : Should Singaporeans also use these open air transportations with partitions then?

[5:40 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
No hard push to adopt the ideas....

Ben
[5:41 pm, 13/05/2020] : Can't imagine why.... 😉

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Candice Quek
[6:13 pm, 13/05/2020] : https://www.todayonline.com/world/personal-information-collected-fight-covid-19-being-spread-online-china
And this is what can happen if we're not careful with the data collected for contact tracing...

Rama
[6:15 pm, 13/05/2020] : Cyber security extremely critical!

Ben
[6:16 pm, 13/05/2020] : Yes which is why Trace Tracker keeps data on your phone rather than the cloud and doesn't store personal information.

Rama
[6:16 pm, 13/05/2020] : Good to know @

Candice Quek
[6:20 pm, 13/05/2020] : https://cna.asia/2Lq4ONe

Candice Quek
[6:21 pm, 13/05/2020] : Unfortunately if the app itself becomes compromised, all the data on your device becomes at risk. That's why people who are more sensitive towards issues of data privacy generally prefer to keep their devices/information separate. Thus the earlier suggestion that having a purpose-built dongle may be advantageous so that any information collected for the purpose of tracking is isolated from what we have on our personal devices.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:25 pm, 13/05/2020] : Oh my tian Zen Beng got partner now

Phyllis
[6:26 pm, 13/05/2020] : 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

Rama
[6:27 pm, 13/05/2020] : Possibilities being considered,  I believe

Ben
[6:28 pm, 13/05/2020] : Not disputing the dongle. Any app can be compromised. Best to avoid owning a smart phone if you are worried. I'm not getting into this any more. 😃

Candice Quek
[6:32 pm, 13/05/2020] : Yeah, no. Not pushing a point. Just sharing some concerns. Cheers

[6:39 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Ha hahaha.
Now I am giving Candice the honour to share your thoughts.


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[7:35 pm, 13/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend contribution :-
1. Do you agree with the Government's approach to test aggressively as a mean to contain the virus (even if it means high number of reported cases now)?

Whether the numbers are high or low, don't we want know the truth? But we need to be clear when and why we conduct aggressive testing. Examples:

(1) SC/PR community. Cases are trending downwards and reach single-digit. There is no need to perform aggressive testings. Widening the test criteria to include people at risk is a better approach. As shared before, examples are people who face the general public at work and falling ill, people who are working in healthcare settings or face infected patients etc

(2) Migrant workers in dorms. The dorms have little room for social distancing, and if there is an outbreak, widespread is inevitable. Furthermore, in large projects, there are many sub contractors supplying migrant workers from various dorms which will fuel cross infections across different dorms. Our  economy is reliant on all these migrant workers. Aggressive testing for dorm occupants will enable authorities to quickly isolate the infected workers, offer appropriate treatment and keep the not-yet-infected workers safe. When the economy is ready to reboot, can we operate with just generals and lieutenants and no soldiers? I was hoping that they all can be tested before CB ends, but at this moment only about 10% tested. There needs to be careful, selection who should be released into the work force.

(3) Nursing home staff/residents. Aggressive testing for nursing home staff/residents when the home in question is linked to an infection. This will ensure that they don't spread to the elderly who are vulnerable to falling severely ill and higher fatality. While SG total cases is high, our death rate is amongst the lowest. This vulnerable group can tilt the fatality scale.

(4) Prisons' inmates. Not sure how social distancing is being implemented.  Might be good to test them before they are released.

(5) Schools have implemented measures quite early such as suspending inter-school activities and General assembly. Targeted Testing should be sufficient if outbreak is detected.

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REACH - 77. How to prevent from reinfection as we open up (SK)
12 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[11:13 am, 12/05/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 12 May]
COVID-19: Safe Management
From 12 May, some retail activities may resume:
💇‍♂ Hair salons (basic haircuts only)
👚 Laundry services
🐈 Pet food & supplies
⚖ TCM medical halls
Other on-site retail services remain suspended
Full list: go.gov.sg/gobiz-ess
Retail customer-facing operations must adhere to safe management measures:
🤳 SafeEntry at malls, supermarkets, hair salons
🌡 Temperature screening
↔ 1m spacing between customers at all times
😷 All staff & customers must wear masks
🧴 Place hand sanitisers close to high touch surfaces
🧼 Regular cleaning and disinfection of common spaces
More: go.gov.sg/esg9may

[12:00 pm, 12/05/2020] : Dear contributors, welcome back!
⏰The chat will be open till 8pm today.
📢 Topic 📢
From today, businesses such as cake and dessert shops, hairdressing and barber services and traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) halls can reopen with safe distancing and contact tracing measures in place. This includes setting up digital check-in system SafeEntry to facilitate contact tracing of patrons, and requiring staff to use contact tracing app TraceTogether.
As new global cases spark fears of a second wave of the pandemic while some businesses re-open in Singapore, how can we ensure we keep our guard up against COVID-19?
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/businesses-ensure-safe-distancing-contact-tracing-measures-in-place
👉https://www.straitstimes.com/tech/safeentry-applications-surge-ahead-of-reopening-of-businesses
👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-rules-from-may-12-as-singapore-eases-tightened-covid-19-circuit-breaker-measures

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[1:25 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
As business re-open, how we guard against covid-19?

(1) Wear resusable face mask during work and outside home all the time.

(2) Keep social distancing of 1 metre with minimum human touch point and do less socializing with fellow workers or customers to prevent infecgtion.

(3) Use SafeEntry for check-in and check-out to facilitate contact tracing - (location based tracking)

(4) For those workers who working and need to install Tracetogether apps - install the apps to facilitate human-to-human contact tracing. (not going to debate further on this (have said enough) - as Govt require workers to install in order to start business).
But backup phone data and do virus scan everyday - to safeguard your own data (and to recover your phone data if required to) and ensure your phone is not compromise by digital virus infection.

(5) Watch personal hygiene by washing hands with soap when need to.

(6) Ta bao food during breakfast, lunch, break or dinner - and eat alone (so as to prevent cross contamination) - when face mask is off.

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[2:34 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/homophobia-poses-obstacle-to-south-koreas-coronavirus-strategy-as-nightclub-cluster

SKorea open up, night club flare up to 101.

Valli
[2:43 pm, 12/05/2020] : This is to be expected.
Illogical move to open up nightclubs or bars.

[2:44 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Drinking and eating openly in public can cause cross infection - because the mask is off.

[2:50 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Socializing with human touch and contact also increase the risk of infection.
Social distancing to keep 1 metre apart and avoid social contact is the only way to prevent virus spreading.
Until vaccines are developed.

[2:55 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Lessons learned from SKorea nightclub flare up :-
(1) Drinking and eating in.
(2) Face mask off when eating and drinking
(3) Human contact and socializing
--- increase the risk of infection.

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REACH
[6:44 pm, 12/05/2020] : Coronavirus: 20,000 recovered workers ready to be discharged by end-May:
By the end of the month, about 20,000 workers will be discharged from care facilities, and more will be expected to recover next month and be ready to resume work, said National Development Minister Lawrence Wong, co-chair of multi-ministry task force tackling the coronavirus outbreak at a virtual press conference on Tuesday (May 12).
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-20000-recovered-workers-ready-to-be-discharged-by-end-may

[6:46 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This will be the best news ever.

Rama
[6:47 pm, 12/05/2020] : Great job! Well done!

Desmond Koh
[7:28 pm, 12/05/2020] : @☸️  Danny 心
please see if keen :)
https://www.developer.gov.sg/covid-volunteering/

[7:30 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Thanks for the invitation.
I most likely to contribute through REACH.
Want to take a rest from too much techie stuff.

Desmond Koh
[7:36 pm, 12/05/2020] : Eh I only ask you are keen to see the website only...

[7:37 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Oh will take a look the website ...

Desmond Koh
[7:39 pm, 12/05/2020] : Ya project sg govt doing

[7:40 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Thanks good to know.

Desmond Koh
[8:52 pm, 12/05/2020] : can see this where DS Kok Yam & DCE Cheow Hoe talk about the CV19 issues :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRYGpTEVlIs

David Murugan
[8:57 pm, 12/05/2020] : No audio leh.

Desmond Koh
[8:58 pm, 12/05/2020] : Due to technical issues, the audio for the video will start from 2:51 onwards haha
[8:58 pm, 12/05/2020] : the comment section got say

REACH
[9:00 pm, 12/05/2020] : Hi REACH Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight,
Megan ☺

[9:01 pm, 12/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Cannot hear the audio.

REACH - 76. Companies return JSS to Government (SK)
11 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[11:12 am, 11/05/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 11 May]
COVID-19: Safe Management measures for workplaces
Some economic activities will gradually resume as local transmission numbers fall ↘️
👩‍💻 Staff should telecommute from home wherever possible
🗒️ Businesses allowed to resume operations must
- Implement safe management systems
- Ensure safe distancing
- Stagger work/break hours
- Have shift/split team arrangements
with no cross deployment across teams
- Adopt contact tracing requirements
- Ensure masks are worn
- Implement health checks
- Manage potential/confirmed cases
Action will be taken against errant employers (eg. cessation of operations)
❌ Tighter measures may be introduced if above are not well-implemented
More: go.gov.sg/safe-mgt

[11:31 am, 11/05/2020] : Coronavirus: Direct School Admission exercise for students to be conducted online
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/coronavirus-direct-school-admission-exercise-for-students-to-be-conducted-online?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-05-11%2011%3A05%3A31

[12:20 pm, 11/05/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! ☺️
⏰ Our chat will be open from 12:30pm to 8pm today.
🗒 REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
The topic will be posted shortly.
- Megan

[12:30 pm, 11/05/2020] : ⏰ Our chat will be open till 8pm today ⏰
📢 Topic 📢
How can we encourage more people embrace the Singapore Together movement to help more families affected by COVID-19?
Some companies have decided to return the Government's Jobs Support Scheme (JSS) payments and decline future payouts, while others are donating the money to charity, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat on Sunday (May 10) evening.
Mr Heng, who is also Finance Minister, added in a Facebook post: “I am very encouraged by their sense of responsibility and shared community. I hope their exemplary action will inspire other companies that are doing well to consider doing the same.”
Mr Heng thanked companies for their commitment, contributions and confidence in Singapore as the country ta…

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[1:05 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
For those opening up to work, other than SafeEntry, also need to download tracetogether app.

[1:05 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
So for those who need to install tracetogether, pse backup your phone data every day into your folder with version using date.
To help recover your phone data in case you need to do factory reset when your phone kenna virus or ransomware.
Don't backup by overwriting previous backup in case the malware are also backup with your phone data.

Ben
[1:07 pm, 11/05/2020] :
Danny, are you suggesting that anyone with Bluetooth switched on needs to do this?

[1:07 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Also do virus scan on your phone every day, do security clean up of all cache - to detect any virus.

[1:08 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
No I didn't suggest.
It is one of the requirements for those opening up for work.

Ben
[1:08 pm, 11/05/2020] : To do all the back ups and virus scans every day?
[1:09 pm, 11/05/2020] : The covid virus is biological, not digital.

[1:09 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Now I am suggesting how people can protect their phone data and recover from it in case anyone kenna.

Ben
[1:10 pm, 11/05/2020] : Yes but having Bluetooth enabled on your phone doesn't require all this action every day.

[1:10 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I do it to my phone every day.
A daily routine.

Ben
[1:10 pm, 11/05/2020] +65 8481 6751: Of course everyone is free to do as they wish, but its not a requirement

[1:11 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Unless you don't have new data created every day - then you don't have to backup every day.

Ben
[1:11 pm, 11/05/2020] : I worry you wil put people off installing the Traceatogether app
[1:12 pm, 11/05/2020] : Google and Appe both automatically back up your phone constantly
[1:12 pm, 11/05/2020] : Its a simple one off setting

[1:12 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Not all data.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:12 pm, 11/05/2020] : Sigh

Ben
[1:13 pm, 11/05/2020] : Perhaps invite people to contact you offline if they wish to discuss, or point people to a website
[1:13 pm, 11/05/2020] : We have had so many of these messages from you, and this forum isn't about phone security


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REACH
[1:14 pm, 11/05/2020] : 🔔 reminder to stick to the topic, please 🔔

Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:14 pm, 11/05/2020] : Megan agrees

Phyllis
[1:14 pm, 11/05/2020] : YES

Rama
[1:15 pm, 11/05/2020] : Agree

David Murugan
[1:27 pm, 11/05/2020] : Bluetooth and Trace?  😱 not again.

Phyllis
[1:28 pm, 11/05/2020] : 🤣🤣🤣

Kevinn Wang
[1:28 pm, 11/05/2020] : The moderator has spoken!!!!!!
[1:30 pm, 11/05/2020] : Buay Sian meh every day bt security. Why no talk about wifi that is more weak!!

Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:30 pm, 11/05/2020] : Shh don't encourage him later he say WEP WPA WPA2 I go bang head

Kevinn Wang
[1:30 pm, 11/05/2020] : Topic is how to do the sgunite or together not security ley

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[1:47 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Well just a feedback.

In social media, some people are already talking about what compensation they'll get if their phone data is compromised.
And what rights will they have.

In case you think I am paranoid of bringing this issue out - as this requirement is highlighted by REACH in today's message.

[1:52 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This includes confidential business data.

[2:12 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This means that not only public, but business may sue if their confidential business data are compromised.

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REACH
[3:46 pm, 11/05/2020] : 486 new coronavirus cases taking tally in Singapore to 23,822
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/486-new-coronavirus-cases-taking-tally-in-singapore-to-23822?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-05-11%2015%3A05%3A37

[3:57 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Security experts point out the nightmare of pushing out Bluetooth contact tracers in the haste of tackling covid-19 that put citizens at risk.
https://www.securityweek.com/covid-19-contact-tracing-apps-effective-virus-risk-management-tools-or-privacy-nightmare

Rama
[3:58 pm, 11/05/2020] : 😨😱

[4:11 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
ZeroFOX reported that government-sanctioned COVID-19 mobile applications are affected by vulnerabilities and privacy issues that put citizens at risk.

An analysis of dozens of nation and government-sponsored mobile applications for Android revealed the existence of privacy risks, vulnerabilities and backdoors.

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Potential lawsuits can run up to billions of dollars if citizens and businesses sue if their confidential data are compromised.


Rama
[4:13 pm, 11/05/2020] : Comments from our government!?

[4:56 pm, 11/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
In interviews with a dozen current and former government officials and cybersecurity experts over the past month, many described a "free-for-all" that has spread even to countries with only rudimentary cyber ability.

"This is a global pandemic, but unfortunately countries are not treating it as a global problem," said Justin Fier, a former national security intelligence analyst who is now the director of cyberintelligence at Darktrace, a cybersecurity firm.

"Everyone is conducting widespread intelligence gathering - on pharmaceutical research, PPE orders, response - to see who is making progress."

The frequency of cyberattacks and the spectrum of targets are "astronomical, off the charts," Fier said.

Rama
[4:59 pm, 11/05/2020] : 😨😱

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REACH - 75. Ensure safe distancing when we open up (SK)
10 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[11:13 am, 10/05/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 10 May]
Use SafeEntry
From 12 May, SafeEntry will be mandatory at selected venues:
- Workplaces
- Schools
- Healthcare facilities
- Residential care facilities
- Hair salons
- Supermarkets
- Selected popular wet markets
- Malls
- Hotels
Updates at go.gov.sg/SEdeploy
What you need to do
- Check in when you enter these premises
- You can either scan the QR code & fill in your personal details; or use your NRIC or any official ID with a barcode
- Check-out when you leave the premise
You can be turned away if you do not use SafeEntry
Your personal data is protected; it will be used only for contact tracing during the period of Covid-19
Help us keep you safe

[11:59 am, 10/05/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Our chat will be open from 12pm to 8pm today.
REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.

[12:00 pm, 10/05/2020] : On Tuesday (12 May), some Circuit Breaker measures would be eased and more businesses can resume operations.
In a press conference on Friday (May 8), Minister Lawrence Wong said that "there is no need to rush to go out" with circuit breaker still in place despite the easing measures.
He also added that more precautions for better contact tracing will be taken when circuit breaker measures are lifted, such as digital check-in system SafeEntry even in workplaces.
📢 Topic 📢
Despite the easing of measures, how do we ensure safe distancing continues beyond the Circuit Breaker period?
👉 https://str.sg/JQHd
👉 https://str.sg/JQVZ
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[12:08 pm, 10/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend contribution :-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296487/Boris-Johnsons-Covid-19-lockdown-exit-plan-explained-full.html

[12:09 pm, 10/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Australia and Britain also have exit plan to open their economy.
Every countries are learning how to open up safely while resuming work life.

[6:47 pm, 10/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
UV lamp as pandemic fighter.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-uv-lamps-kill-virus-tests-12718546

[6:53 pm, 10/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend contribution :-
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-accelerates-again-in-germany

[6:53 pm, 10/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If not careful once open up, the infection flare up again.

SuperHero
[6:53 pm, 10/05/2020] : Agree

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REACH - 74. Test Elderly to stay safe (SK)
9 May 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[12:08 pm, 09/05/2020] : Dear contributors, welcome back! The chat will be open till 8pm, please be reminded to adhere to our terms of use so as to have a conducive discussion😃
📢 Topic 📢
Seniors are at higher risk of developing serious health complications if infected with COVID-19. As such, the Multi-Ministry Taskforce has implemented measures to safeguard the health and well-being of our seniors. Efforts include active testing and safe management measures at senior residential care homes, as well as outreach to vulnerable seniors in the community.
What do you think of the measures taken to support our seniors as we continue the fight against COVID-19?
👉Support measures for seniors during COVID-19: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/support-measures-for-seniors-during-covid-19
👉All staff, residents at homes for the elderly to be tested for Covid-19: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/all-staff-and-residents-at-nursing-homes-to-be-tested-for-covid-19-starting-with-those-who
👉Coronavirus: Vulnerable seniors being supported during circuit breaker: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vulnerable-seniors-being-supported-during-circuit-breaker
+changed this group's settings to allow all participants to send messages to this group.

[12:09 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://www.facebook.com/LawrenceWongST/posts/3745102008864448
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Straits Times
Life will not go back to normal after Covid-19 circuit breaker ends on June 1: Lawrence Wong
PUBLISHEDMAY 8, 2020, 6:50 PM SGT UPDATED MAY 8, 2020, 11:23 PM
National Development Minister Lawrence Wong during a virtual press conference on Friday (May 8).
He said more precautions will have to be taken, including measures which make use of technology - such as the digital check-in system SafeEntry in workplaces, an enhanced TraceTogether contact-tracing app, and possibly dongles which people can carry around to help with contact tracing.
The solution will be announced when ready, and everyone will be expected to have it in place, Mr Wong added. He said they are also exploring other ways of enhancing contact tracing which do not require the use of a smartphone.
“We are also looking at possibilities, like a wearable, a dongle that people can carry with them when they go out. So for those without smartphones the possibility of being able to track them remains, for contact tracing purposes.”
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Superhero
[12:37 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/who-readies-coronavirus-app-for-checking-symptoms-possibly-contact-tracing?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1nQBAP6jL9H6GQf6Ub3KQitHDsCbLGNnivm5KNo-5e-FtKLTLlP5tLNbI#Echobox=1588984840

Rama
[12:38 pm, 09/05/2020] : I will stick to trace together

Superhero
[12:39 pm, 09/05/2020] : Am glad that the SG govt said in the press conference last night that they are looking at ways to help improve the trace together app in Singapore and exploring ways for those without mobile devices

Jonathan Lam
[12:42 pm, 09/05/2020] : But having said that they should improve on the security aspect of the app

Superhero
[12:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : Agree hopefully they will take that in consideration too

[12:49 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Government proposing a dongle to speed up contact tracing for those who does not have smartphone.
Wonder can people choose to use dongle even though they have smartphone?

[12:54 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
No liability to government as they do not have to ensure Bluetooth security in smartphone.
Dongle with Bluetooth (I presume) don't offer incentive for hackers to hack dongle.

XaniceAfcai
[1:08 pm, 09/05/2020] :
Dongle.. Hmm..
Maybe can merge with hpb tracker since most of them even elderly also have tracker.

Desmond Koh
[1:39 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://estimote.com

[3:24 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Just wonder how much it cost for one contact tracer  Bluetooth dongle?

Desmond Koh
[3:26 pm, 09/05/2020] : Erm not this brand la, just saying there’s available technology...
It was 95USD for 3 when I used them for development

Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:26 pm, 09/05/2020] : Hahaha Desmond reveal surname ah because too many Desmonds in GovTech? 😆

[3:27 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Huh about USD 30 for one - quite expensive.

[3:29 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If got cheaper one pse let us know.
Better to get for the whole family then risking handphone hack.

Desmond Koh
[3:38 pm, 09/05/2020] : As I said, is for POC, not for production usage
https://estimote.com/products/

[3:39 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Then let us wait for government to announce when ready.

[3:47 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/08/us/covid-19-at-home-saliva-test/index.html

[4:22 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
See I use Google satellite map to do location tracking - 22 places I last visited.
Can even zoom in to actual location.

[4:22 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Got even date and time.

[4:22 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
All these will greatly speed up contact tracing.

Desmond Koh
[4:26 pm, 09/05/2020] : Talk to him haha
https://blog.gds-gov.tech/@jasonbaysg

[4:31 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I only suggest various approaches. This is what REACH feedback forum is for.
Ultimately it is up to the government to propose what is best for the people.
If government finally decide to use Bluetooth, I will like to opt for a Bluetooth dongle for my family instead of using our smartphone.
Most people I talk to with IT background are not comfortable to turn on their smartphones Bluetooth in public for the obvious reasons.
Some work in high security organisation.

Desomnd Koh
[4:32 pm, 09/05/2020] : Orh

Blue and White Flag Guy
[4:34 pm, 09/05/2020] : So can close your case?

Leonard Lau
[4:34 pm, 09/05/2020] : Is  Jason the leader of the Govtech team that put up Blue Trace white paper ?

Desmond Koh
[4:36 pm, 09/05/2020] : He is SD GDS/GovTech
He lead the COVID-19 support projects
[4:36 pm, 09/05/2020] : All the HIVE people haha

Desmond Koh
[4:36 pm, 09/05/2020] : There no case lei, just comfortable or not comfortable with Bluetooth only...

Leonard Lau
[4:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : “Finally, the experience of Singapore’s contact tracers suggest that contact tracing should remain a human-fronted process. Contact tracing involves an intensive sequence of difficult and anxiety-laden conversations, and it is the role of a contact tracer to explain how a close contact might have been exposed — while respecting patient privacy — and provide assurance and guidance on next steps.” - Jason Bay .

The trace together and the safe together apps can be complimentary to the manual contract tracing process ..
So we still have to observe safe distancing and wear masks moving forward .

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[6:36 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
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Straits Times
PUBLISHED MAY 8, 2020, 10:00 PM SGT
Coronavirus: 40,000 daily tests have to be done in *strategic*, coordinated way, says Lawrence Wong
"The *tests have to be allocated to areas of priority*," he said, adding that the 40,000 daily tests "is probably ranked as one of the highest rates of testing in the world".
Among the top priorities he cited are *nursing homes*, *front-line medical workers in hospitals* and *migrant workers*, whom, he said, should be tested on a regular basis partly because they work in large groups.
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[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend comments :-
(1) UK targets to do 100000 tests per day.
(2) What it means is that the longer we delay aggressive testing the more we have to do to catch up because the silent spread is exponential on a daily basis.
(3) In mar south Korea started aggressive testing on a scale of 10000 per day. Our DMS on the contrary said yield little result.
(4) But every asymptomatic case that slip by can turn into a thousand cases in 10days. When it quietly spread until beyond control, we are finished.
(5) Really hope sg is doing aggressive testing.

My comments :-
(1) Yes. *Your suggestion of aggressive testing is the right strategy* to weed out the unlink cases in Singapore - which remain a stealth reservoir in the Community that are stealthly and silently infecting unsuspecting people in the Community.

My close friend response :-
(1) It's about maximising outcomes, minimising disasters. unless we are poor and cannot afford it. Economic shut costs much much more.

My comments :-
(1) Aggressive testings is the right approach, but to test all 5.6 million residents in Singapore at one go - is a very challenging and daunting tasks.

(2) Thus we need to priorities our testing, I suggest that :-
a. Batch 1 - *Dorms for foreign workers* are now undergoing aggressive testing. Majority of the infected people have been identified.

b. Batch 2 - *Foreign workers outside the dorms* are undergoing tests now concurrently - and this form the 2nd largest group after the dorms reported every day.

c. Batch 3 --- Note :- the community local transmission and the unlink cases that are reported everyday --- are coming from this group.
But this group are all the residents in Singapore - citizens, PRs, Long Term Pass Holders. --- which form about 3 to 4 million people.
To conduct aggressive testings to this large pool of people to weed out the 30 to 20 over cases --- will be a challenge.
So I suggest we do the following :-

(i) Batch 3a - Test all essential workers that are working now - as some unlink cases come from this batch - about 300,000 workers.

Batch 3b - *Test all nursing homes* - where some unlink cases - have been uncovered through this batch - number unknown - but not a big number, I guess.

Batch 3c - Test all pre-school students and staff who will be attending pre-school once circuit breaker ends - as some cases also come from this batch - number unknown --- but i guess quite a big number.

Batch 3d - Test all workers that will be going to work for non-essential services when circuit breakers end - as few cases are reported from this group - a big number - potentially about 1 to 2 million workers?

Batch 3e - Test all school going children eg. primary, secondary, JCs, IHLs - that need to go to schools and pose a risk of cross infection - before circuit breaker ends - potentially about 1 to 2 million students?

(ii) Note :- by testing all the Batch 3a to 3e ---- if there is any discovered cases --- their family members or those living with them or come into with them will be tested --- and these will have weed out the unlink cases.

(iii) Can we take the risk of not testing all those staying at home --- yes i think we can --- because if the above batches are tested - with no infection - very likely that those stay at home are not infected.

(iv) If anyone of the tested batchs have people infected, then likely that those stay with them will be infected - and this stay at home can be tested.

(v) Believe in this way --- we have a systematic aggressive way of testings to weed out all the unlink cases in the Community.

My close friend contribution :-

Pleased to see that community cases are dropping. The next step is enlarged the test criteria for the community to institute testing for
(1) those under quarantined/SHN before lifting their movement restrictions. When the community cases start to clear up, there is no reason to release those close contacts without testing them.
(2) occupationally higher-risk groups should be tested once they showed symptoms e.g. *Public facing personnel*, *healthcare support workers* etc.

Rama
[6:46 pm, 09/05/2020] : Needs to be done!

REACH
[6:48 pm, 09/05/2020] : Ministry of Manpower: Requirements for Safe Management Measures at the workplace after Circuit Breaker period
As announced by the Ministry of Health (MOH) on 2 May 2020, as local transmission numbers come down, we can gradually relax our restrictions and selectively resume economic activities. This will help support our businesses and protect livelihoods. To prevent the re-emergence of community cases, our workplaces should begin to put in place safe management measures ahead of time.
More: https://www.mom.gov.sg/covid-19/requirements-for-safe-management-measures

[6:48 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
SKorea with 0 case for a few days open up and contracted a new cluster in a nightclub with 18 cases.
Today CNA, announce it has grown into 40 cases today.

Rama
[6:50 pm, 09/05/2020] : All because one inconsiderate guy decides to bar hop!

[6:51 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
We need to maintain vigilant when we open up.
SKorea flare up is a lesson we must learn from.

[6:51 pm, 09/05/2020] : Sad to say, we have to tell on our fellow citizens to keep the populace safe!
[6:52 pm, 09/05/2020] : Why can't we be like Sweden!?

Elena Woo
[6:53 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/trump-says-us-must-reopen-even-if-more-americans-get-sick-die-from-covid-19?utm_medium=Social

Rama
[6:53 pm, 09/05/2020] : Blady raving lunatic!

Elena Woo
[6:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : Suggest inbound and outbound travel restrictions to stay.
[6:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : Esp to and from US

[6:54 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
What can we learn from Sweden?

Rama
[6:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : No need for cb as all cooperate and do self  social distancing,  wearing mask with no issues whatsoever!

[6:55 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Singapore should do likewise.

Rama
[6:55 pm, 09/05/2020] : Yes

Elena Woo
[6:55 pm, 09/05/2020] : I think bluetooth dongle will be better for everyone.

[6:57 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Most people I talk to support dongle.
They very uncomfortable with using their handphone to install Bluetooth apps.
SafeEntry many are ok and are using it now.

Caleb
[7:08 pm, 09/05/2020] : 👍

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Rama
[7:23 pm, 09/05/2020] : It goes with safe exit
[7:32 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.sg/coronavirus-sweden-lockdown-chief-says-high-death-toll-was-surprise-2020-5/amp

[7:34 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Surprise things is when you ask the ambassador where is the QR code to check out.
They say no need.
Check in can already, no need to check out.
Everywhere I go they say the same thing.
Not in synch with news report.

[7:34 pm, 09/05/2020] : Allow smaller shops selling everyday items to resume business https://www.todayonline.com/voices/allow-smaller-shops-selling-everyday-items-resume-business#.XraVTIQbgMI.whatsapp
[7:35 pm, 09/05/2020] : I have to do both at my work place since it is a government building

[7:37 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
You are right - should do check in and check out.
But many supermarkets, malls, banks only practice check in but not check out.
All exit has no QR code to check out.
I find it very strange.

[7:42 pm, 09/05/2020] : Is that an app to download or scan to go?
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : yes
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : download safentry qr scanner
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : Playstore?
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : it will linked to singpass and no need to key in anything just press ok ok on phone will do
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : yes
[7:44 pm, 09/05/2020] : remember look for safentry qr scanner
[7:45 pm, 09/05/2020] : 👍 thanks.
[7:46 pm, 09/05/2020] : Dun need to scan for check out. As long as u check in, leave the page open. When one exits, the same page will display the check out page.

I went to the mall... This mall ppls is very on.. Chase ppls for check out... Must show her.

[7:48 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Oh is it.
Did not notice the check out page.

Next time must look properly.
[7:48 pm, 09/05/2020] : I use barcode scanner to scan. Dun even need to key in the details if u are sec time gg in... Just click check in will do.

Most ppls dun scan, use ic to scan..
[7:48 pm, 09/05/2020] : That means auto checkout once we leave the premises.
[7:49 pm, 09/05/2020] : My hub closes the page the first time so did not realise that the same page will auto change..

Check in is green color. Once one checks out, it will turn blue.

[7:49 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Oh I see
Good to know.

[7:49 pm, 09/05/2020] : No. It will auto display the page provided one dun close the check in page.. Then using the same page, click the check out
[7:50 pm, 09/05/2020] : Oh ok, now I know it.
[7:50 pm, 09/05/2020] : But ppls scan ic to mall n ntuc. The mall ppls even stop those who exit to scan their ic again. Hmm...
[7:51 pm, 09/05/2020] : Hello REACH Contributors!

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 10 minutes ⏰

As always, thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight! 😴

- Megan
[7:51 pm, 09/05/2020] : But the other mall I went dun bother to check out.. Say dun need. But I did check out to close the loop.
[7:52 pm, 09/05/2020] : No link to singpass one leh..
[7:52 pm, 09/05/2020] : Will authorities query why check in but no check out!?
[7:52 pm, 09/05/2020] : hmm i do not know now i did find it ... but now is not possible to find it
[7:52 pm, 09/05/2020] : the gantry people will ask you if you did check out
[7:53 pm, 09/05/2020] : Any penalty!?
[7:53 pm, 09/05/2020] : Cant find safe entry app on play store leh
[7:53 pm, 09/05/2020] : Where to retrieve the places that we go to? Which history?
[7:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : Depend on the mall.
Today, the mall I went.. Chase ppls for check out. I was carrying food.. But bo bian.. I clicked n show the mall ppls cos she was raising voice.. Pls check out..
[7:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : Got history huh? How to look?
[7:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : Your singpass app on your phone has a drop down box that shows records
[7:54 pm, 09/05/2020] : If u dun save then I dun think can see. Last wk I save.. But not this wk..
[7:55 pm, 09/05/2020] : My Singpass show 0 tho I got scan many many in last few days.
[7:55 pm, 09/05/2020] : I save but still show 0.
[7:55 pm, 09/05/2020] : Likewise
[7:56 pm, 09/05/2020] : I dun have singpass app install. I use barcode scanner to scan.. Return a SafeEntry  Web browser... Alr auto fill in details..as I saved it. Cos this is not the first time I fill up detail.

[7:57 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Now then I check out.
Ha ha ha

[7:57 pm, 09/05/2020] : I save but never show any. Ask me fill in everytime.
[7:57 pm, 09/05/2020] : Yes. This is the check out page.. Check in is green one
[7:57 pm, 09/05/2020] : I dun need leh..
[7:57 pm, 09/05/2020] : 👍
[7:58 pm, 09/05/2020] : I only use check in n out when enter mall.i use ic for Ntuc
[7:58 pm, 09/05/2020] : There is a transaction history in singpass app
[7:58 pm, 09/05/2020] : Aiyoh so confusing, it there any easier than this one?
[7:58 pm, 09/05/2020] : Question: SafeEntry must now be used at all businesses right?
[7:58 pm, 09/05/2020] : If u save this page, it will SA e in yr download folder.
[7:59 pm, 09/05/2020] : Including barber and TCM etc when they reopen?
[7:59 pm, 09/05/2020] : Even long John silver n fast food have their own safe entry code. But no one scan
[7:59 pm, 09/05/2020] : not sure if this is legit app but it just disappear from playstore
[7:59 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://labapps.tech/safeentryqr/
[7:59 pm, 09/05/2020] : it does link to singpass though

[8:00 pm, 09/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Oh I see.

[8:00 pm, 09/05/2020] : My scanner dun link
[8:00 pm, 09/05/2020] : https://www.safeentry.gov.sg/deployment

Places where safeentry is required
[8:00 pm, 09/05/2020] : I dun even login singpass
[8:00 pm, 09/05/2020] : different scanner have different functions
[8:01 pm, 09/05/2020] : this one is label SG so i think certain way this guy is authorized since the app can go to Sing pass, i also noted he have another app for only health sector staff only
[8:01 pm, 09/05/2020] : Hi REACH Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight,
Megan ☺
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