REACH 431 - What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society?
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01 Mar 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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[10:01 am, 01/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Various measures to better combat online harms were announced this week in parliament, including the Online Criminal Harms Act (OCHA) to be introduced later this year as well as a new code of practice targeted at harmful content in app stores and marketplaces.
π¬ What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society?
The announcements come amidst a continued push to enhance connectivity and boost digital trade and investment in Singapore through a Digital Connectivity Blueprint, which includes plans for 6G mobile and a 10Gbps home broadband network.
Minister Josephine Teo said in a speech during the debate on the Ministry of Home Affairs’ (MHA) budget that the proposed OCHA will expand the scope of regulatory levers that can be applied to online criminal activities; increase the scope of entities the authorities can act against; cover all mediums of online communication; and introduce measures to detect and reduce sophisticated malicious cyber activities such as scams and phishing
Likewise, the Government will develop a new code of practice that will require app stores to deal with harmful content circulating on the marketplace. “App stores may carry apps with harmful content, especially for children. This could include content depicting explicit sexual activities or inciting violence,” Mrs Teo said, adding that the code will involve industry consultation.
Later in 2023, the Personal Data Protection Commission (PDPC) will also publish guidelines for industries on best practices on the use of personal data in AI systems, particularly children's personal data. The guidelines will specify that parental consent must be obtained before collecting data from children under 13, and that a child’s profile is not made public by default.
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[10:32 am, 01/03/2023] +L: I'm in favour or stringent measures against online Hate and Harmful content. 'Freedom of speech' should not come at the cost of incitement to violence, civil unrest, racial or sexual anger, fraud and other damaging crimes.
I don't trust companies to self-regulate and penalities should be harsh, not just financial. Enforcement is difficult yes, but that doesn't mean we should avoid having the rules in place.
[10:37 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi L, good morning! Good pointers!
Thank you.
[10:37 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: "5 integers of capitalism are land, labor, capital, rich and poor....freedom of tangibles and intangibles?"
- - anonymity
[10:38 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Flip this plate of things, you will get...?
[10:40 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Metaphor moment...
Integers and Fractions
[10:53 am, 01/03/2023] +Carol Loi: It’s about time. In fact it’s long overdue. The next step may be to have conversations with educators, families, youth and children on how to operationalise these measures well. There road is still very long.
[11:29 am, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Likewise
[11:30 am, 01/03/2023] +TD: Agree. 100%
[11:30 am, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Anonymity, good morning
[11:32 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good morning!
It was rainy days and Monday, that's last evening!
Pls feel free to critic this essay... akan datang, coming in a zip!
Thank you.
[11:32 am, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: 1 March m, 2023
To: Our Distinguished Leaders and All Honorable Members
" Fear Factors...?"
What are the modern Asian values and beliefs and how about the traditional and generational ones to uphold or to (throw away)? What is the flip, that is the western societies?
This digital compass of morals, values and beliefs are scoring towards the liberalism of freedom to information, freedom to expression and lastly free to decide many things in life?
What will be the profound impact and significance going into the future of digitisation and the coming generation or two? Predicably, a 'self' containing society whereby to each their ownership to think appropriately and to decide things based on fact or fiction? Is this what's going (or happening now) to implode upon our Gen Z and onto our millennials and thereafter?
" Let this FEAR be fearful of you and not the other ways around...!"
- - anonymity
How to calibrate and not overly intervene, for the use of "hard power" will not appeal to millions but the soft ways perhaps will do the job better?
It's all about conditioning the human brains to reject or to embrace, that is either rite or wrong, does it matter? Let's not be trapped in the "maze" of this digital world of fun or fear!
- - in progress - -
[0:45 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
"Received a suspicious WhatsApp message? You can soon check if it’s a scam"
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/received-suspicious-whatsapp-telegram-sms-message-check-scam-3301956#:~:text=Received%20a%20suspicious%20WhatsApp%20message%3F%20You%20can%20soon%20check%20if%20it%E2%80%99s%20a%20scam
[1:50 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Various measures to better combat online harms were announced this week in parliament, including the Online Criminal Harms Act (OCHA) to be introduced later this year as well as a new code of practice targeted at harmful content in app stores and marketplaces.
π¬ What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society?
The announcements come amidst a continued push to enhance connectivity and boost digital trade and investment in Singapore through a Digital Connectivity Blueprint, which includes plans for 6G mobile and a 10Gbps home broadband network.
Minister Josephine Teo said in a speech during the debate on the Ministry of H…
[2:27 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Measures to combat online harm
1. Agree with the Government measures to mandate social media providers to :-
a. Remove any harmful mobile apps in the "Apps Stores" or the onus to screen all mobile apps to prevent harmful mobile apps from being put in "Apps Stores" for download.
This is the best way to protect people and children from downloading harmful apps from the legitimate "Apps Store" in Android phones and iOS phones.
b. Applaud the Government to beef up effort to protect against "Data network" - phising or scam effort through WhatsApp and Telegram after feedback - beefing up ScamShield to block WhatsApp and Telegram scam message, or voice or videos via the "Data network" - that will be ready for launch by end 2023.
2. However, notice that 2 other communication medium are still not address :
a. Email
b. QR codes
coming through the data network....
[2:41 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[2:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.
[2:43 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. In addition to sexual or violence contents that are harmful to children, silly challenges, suicidal videos that will cause injuries or even death that are found in tik tok, youtube or other social media platform - should also be removed from the social media.
[2:49 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: 1 March, 2023
What if we view the Internet of things as a new society, a new wave, a new world and beyond all realities?
One lucky thing is "actions always speak louder than words"! How about animations graphics and real-life motions? These are the main menu of this new world order!
- - in progress - -
[3:02 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Sammy Boy network must be stopped!
[3:07 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. With the advent of 4G mobile wireless technology, Wifi, and Gigabit technology, Singapore has launch the Next Generation Broadband network - that trigger the transformation of :-
a. Analogue TV to high broadband fiber high end Digital TV.
b. Wifi smarthome, smartoffice
c. iOT smarthome, smartoffice
d. proliferation of 4G smartphone and wifi smartphone
etc.
2. However, with the advent of 5G and wifi6 - with speed 100 times that of 4G - we have not fully define, employ and deploy apps that will fully utilised 5G and wifi6.
Wonder what is the percentage of population has begin to move away from 4G and transform touse 5G and wifi6?
The telco smartphone plan will need to be competitive for users to switch from 4G to 5G - and ensure their existing data will not be affected during the switch.
Eg. $20 SIM 5G - will definitely make more people switch from 4G to 5G - and ensure all apps and data are intact - eg. WhatsApp, Telegrams, public emails data like yahoo, gmail etc are all intact --- even though mobile tech are upgraded.
Technically speaking, switching 4G to 5G comm medium should not affect the data if stored in the cloud - but also depends on Telco and service providers help if data are stored in the 4G phone and need to change into 5G phones.
3. Having say so, 6G and 10Gbps will be a 2 quantum jump - as Singaporeans and residents are still not fully buy in and settle into 5G and wifi6 yet --- which will be 2 x 100 times the speed of 4G.
This mean smartphone must not only be 4G ready, it must be 4G/5G/6G ready.
Same for laptops, router/wifi gateway.
4. Also wonder how does those Telcos recoup their investment in 5G - as they have not fully sell their 5G gears to the population at large.
5. Also coming to 10G to the home.
There will likely to be 2 technologies :
a. 10G fiber to the home ---- which likely to be a shared bandwidth - as lambda from the fiber can be split from 10G backbone into smaller bandwidth of 1Gbps, 2.5Gbps etc.
b. 10Gbps metroethernet - that will give a fully dedicated 10Gbps to the home.
But this will mean the fiber point at home will need an additional UTP cable for ethernet switches to be installed to deploy 10Gbps ethernet to the home - to allow wifi6, iOT and other ethernet connection to be done at home such as smartTV, laptop, iOT devices at thome.
[3:17 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Pse do not be mistaken that I discourage the use of 6G and 10Gbps.
2. Singapore need to be competitive, and need to be at the forefront in technologies to be globally competitive - and need to stay ahead.
3. I feel that tThere are some aspects of our industries that should stay ahead.
Eg. R&D, IHLs, Military, Home Security or some identified industries - should stay ahead and employ 6G and 10G when they are ready for used.
4. I am just raising the prospect of 5G is starting to warm up -- and not fully exploited - and suddenly, they face the likely prospect of being left behind.
Just pity - what a waste of investment by our Telcos.
[3:47 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors
We want to HEAR from you!
*What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society? *
We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan π
[3:49 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: Well said.
All these proposed measures sound well & good.
But problem is in..
1. Execution to ground level.
2. Acceptance of the tech involved ---
ordinary cit w little or no knowledge won't care two hoots wat the heck all this fuss us abt! π€ͺ
3. Understanding all this tech jargon -- wat the 'garmen' saying, ah? π³
4. Education -- who r the major or key stakeholders here?
Who is the target audience?
Children? Teenagers?
Senior cit?
Adults?
Businesses?
Honestly, I think the gov is over-reaching .... Trying to cover too wide an area but in the end only a very small percentage of the popn wl benefit.
Then ... Come out w some other addl measures to enhance sth tt was not even properly implemented in the first place!
Dun get me wrong!
I m all for…
[4:03 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: 6G ... ?
Seriously???!!
--- Who needs it ?
My 3 devices : 2hp / 1 tablet r all still running on 4G and I m fine w them!
As ther r many others like me out ther ...
I m not sure if this is just someone in the Min trying to gain brownie points (cos got nothing better to do) or .... ?
Is the rest of the world there yet?
Wat is the point of gg ahead , so fast tt everyone else is left behind ... esp in one's own country?
Our trading partners r not running tt fast, so who r we trying to catch up with?
I think this move is unnecessary at this point in time & it is not good spending the money on this!
We shd allocate the money on shoring up our defences agst climate change or next possible outcome of being attacked.
[4:05 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Various measures to better combat online harms were announced this week in parliament, including the Online Criminal Harms Act (OCHA) to be introduced later this year as well as a new code of practice targeted at harmful content in app stores and marketplaces.
π¬ What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society?
The announcements come amidst a continued push to enhance connectivity and boost digital trade and investment in Singapore through a Digital Connectivity Blueprint, which includes plans for 6G mobile and a 10Gbps home broadband network.
Minister Josephine Teo said in a speech during the debate on the Ministry of H…
[4:06 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: On Roblox ...
I know of a P5 student who spends a large chunk of his time on this.
His parents r Non-tech savvy .
They r clueless on wat he's doing & do not hv good parental control over his gaming habits -- largely cos they r Clueless abt such online harms!
ππ»My example of non-tech young adult parents ...
We nd to educate such ppl first b4 u can say implement yr policy ...
No pt rolling it out when ther r ppl like this out ther who r Clueless !!!
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[4:07 pm, 01/03/2023] +TD: 6G mobile network is the sixth generation of mobile networks, which is currently under development and is expected to succeed 5G mobile networks. 6G is still in the research and development phase, and it is not expected to be commercially available until the mid-2030s.
The 6G network is expected to be a major upgrade from the 5G network and is predicted to have faster data speeds, lower latency, and higher reliability. It is also expected to support new applications and technologies such as virtual reality, augmented reality, and the Internet of Things (IoT) on a larger scale.
Some of the key features that are expected to be a part of the 6G network include:
Terahertz Frequencies: The 6G network is expected to operate at terahertz frequencies, which are higher than the current frequency range used in 5G. Terahertz frequencies have the potential to offer much higher data speeds and lower latency.
Artificial Intelligence (AI): The 6G network is expected to leverage AI to improve network performance, optimize resource allocation, and enable new applications such as autonomous vehicles and smart cities.
Quantum Computing: The 6G network is also expected to utilize quantum computing, which has the potential to greatly improve network security and enable new applications such as quantum cryptography.
Holographic Communication: The 6G network is expected to enable holographic communication, which will allow users to interact with each other in 3D, creating a more immersive and engaging experience.
Overall, the 6G network is expected to be a major leap forward in mobile network technology, offering faster speeds, lower latency, and new capabilities that will enable a wide range of new applications and services. However, it is important to note that the technology is still in the development phase, and it will be several years before it is commercially available.
[4:08 pm, 01/03/2023] +L: 6g isn't just about faster mobiles.... when all devices, machines, vehicles etc are connected and managed remotely, sharing data about everything (video esp), then we'll need a faster infrastructure. You're right it's a few years off, but worth getting ahead of the curve!
[4:09 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: Er ...
All very well...
But take a look ard ...
The gen popn in other developed countries aren't even ther yet ...
I still think we r moving too fast for our own good.
Eventually, it wl be us the gen popn who get left behind, if we r not alredi ther too.
[4:09 pm, 01/03/2023] +TD: Agreed. It's coming, but not so soon. Maybe another 10ish years for full rollout.
[4:09 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: No need to be so Kiasu lah! π€£
[4:10 pm, 01/03/2023] +RH: Invest the $$$ on more urgent & dire needs, like I said b4.
[4:20 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi TD, good afternoon.
A good and clear explanation of 6G and future techs that's coming.
Thank you
[4:21 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi RH, good afternoon.
What you said is true too!
Thank you
[4:22 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: The problem is to start planning, it takes time to fully realise these highly evolving tech initiatives.
Time is the factor.
Thank you.
[4:22 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.
[4:23 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: What are the urgent issues just in case, unintentionally left out?
May we know for all to benefit.
Thank you.
[4:24 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: 6G network will be useful for ppl work from home and when restrict again COVID-19 lockdown
[4:25 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: If we are pitching among the top 20 nations. Yes, it is relevant.
As for Africa, perhaps 4G will do for the meantime. However going into 2030 or further, inevitably 5G ?
Thank you.
[4:26 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: That is one of the few considerations, people who fall back. A valid concern that policymakers know and should devise means to elevate this group.
Thank you.
[4:28 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Tech or devices:
There will always be early adopters innovators, and laggers. It is a learning curve or adoption theory.
Thank you.
[4:29 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: How to close such tech GAPS?
Please discuss.
Thank you
[4:30 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Can we solve and sort by "age" groups and or "generations" gap?
[4:31 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: How about utility and function?
[4:35 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: 6G be real times per seconds than 4G and 5G
Example CCTV can capture 8K ultra.
And mobile will become small technology
[4:36 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Making robotics a reality
[4:37 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://www.fierceelectronics.com/electronics/what-6g-and-future-wireless
[4:37 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: New tech new business. First movers advantage. Like water tech and green Parks.. we're exporting expertise
[4:39 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Will the future technology support human work with 6G when AI take over human job. What I think of AI can use full tool’s products while human work less hours (maybe 5hrs per days) human support to help inspection Ai and network engineer
[4:40 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: You can up your boss in real time haha and don't have to be in the office. Think of the potential. Don't have to work, just think and it happens haha
[4:41 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Maybe I can say it will help reduce inflation because AI is not human making living for money.
[4:41 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Good point
[4:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: What's the true reality beyond these reasons and logic?
"...there are TWO or more sides of logical reasons. One side reasons better and many people will agree to this logic. Perhaps, it is not mere logic but to be able to see BEYOND the REALITY of what seems to be a logical conclusion."
How to "enforce" the internet of things that are acceptable (doesn't mean correct), avoidable (muddy) or apprehensible (clearly case)?
- - in progress - -
[4:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: They will give us money to spend to keep the economy running
[4:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Great
[4:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: π
[4:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: AI robot is non emotional all the database from human’s brain π§
[4:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Bill Gates "build the future you want"
[4:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Bill gates can investment
[4:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah humans program the AI
[4:45 pm, 01/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Windows 12 coming
[4:46 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: AI Law
[4:47 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. There is a mistaken belief that if Singapore adopt 6G from 5G - Singapore government will need to invest big money into 6G.
2. This is not entirely true.
3. Government has already do a massive investment in broadband network during the 2012 running into billions of dollars - whereby the entire island are laid with fibre - and managed by Netlink.
The single mode fiber are future proof - to connect Telco network backbone infrastructure such as DWDM, SONET/SDH, Fiber Optical Network, MetroEthernet etc.
So even though if future technology change from 4G, 5G, 6G .... infinite G mobile network, Government don't need to pour more investment into the broadband network.
4. In fact, to move from 4G, to 5G or to future 6G mobile network - Government are earning revenue - by selling frequency bands to Telcos or mobile service providers.
5. Telcos and mobile service providers are the one that need to invest in mobile basestations and access points; and mobile edge gateways to home.
Eg. 4G mobile basestations and access points; and mobile edge gateways to home.
Eg. 5G mobile basestations and access points; and mobile edge gateways to home.
Eg. 6G mobile basestations and access points; and mobile edge gateways to home.
This means Telcos need to set aside $100 over million to pay for license frequency bands, as well as multiple millions to set up mobile basestations, gateways etc.
6. The question is, willl Telcos and mobile service providers able to recoup their investment - in 4G, 5G and future 6G.
7. Malaysia are facing a dilemma whereby its 5G rollout end up in a doldrum despite the Malaysia government deadline to get 5G ready - as all Malaysia telcos are not moving forward with their 5G deployment - because of the ROI (return on investment).
[4:49 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
"Malaysia’s 5G rollout still in limbo despite PM Anwar’s new deadline"
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-s-5g-rollout-still-in-limbo-despite-pm-anwar-s-new-deadline#:~:text=Malaysia%E2%80%99s%205G%20rollout%20still%20in%20limbo%20despite%20PM%20Anwar%E2%80%99s%20new%20deadline
[4:49 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors
We want to HEAR from you!
*What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society? *
We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan π
[4:49 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: 26 December, 2022
" What are we building and what are we up to?
What about AI laws? Stoppable or Unstoppable?
Covers minimum rules of engagement just like UN laws on war and human rights.
What are the basic parameters that are enforceable in a sense practical applications of the law in the situation of infringement or grey areas that a uniform rule of laws will intervene further violations of the basic human rights up, fair commercial practices and competitions. Setting up a new network of AI professionals, cyber law experts and legal institutions?
What are the elements to adopt in this new framework of AI laws?
Taking reference from existing natural laws from science, medical and social aspects of what are permissible and what are not acceptable boundaries of engagements.
How broad and deep can AI assess into the world of knowledge and knowing? Are there ceiling preset so that AI will be capped at a level of gaining further access that will prohibit more violations of human abilities and most importantly assessment of critical decision making processes which may or may not have future or immediate implications as time rolls on.
Who will be the enforcers?
Country to country within each jurisdiction to police these common laws for AI.
How about the architects of these AI structures? What are the basic elements allowed in these designs prior to constructing a concrete AI building, that is pre-approval by an independent experts panel from designing to implementation?
What are the costs than benefits to society and human? COSTS precede benefits, that is the key consideration for each and every AI Building!
Will AI cause further diversion of Income and wealth gaps? Who are the beneficiaries of these structured beams of AI? What is the percentage from private to public entities? Are there limitations for the level of the rate of penetration using AI for all matters or LIMITED usage?
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[4:51 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie, good afternoon.
Any loopholes, pls critic, we will patch it.
Thank you.
[4:54 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Two out of bounce that is...
Race and/or Religion.
[4:56 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: If we want building 6G network for future and better tomorrow technology advance what is important use for helping human like disability mobile and other factory products.
Example taxi drones will be fly over area in Singapore need a skyscraper connect to 6G.
But investment will be very fast growth upper level when if economy crisis we will then AI back up
[4:57 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: I not familiar it but share the idea what will be like future Singapore
[4:58 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Expected to see air taxi around cbd in 2025
[5:08 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: The bad point AI can be error either become violent when human created.
Is there a technology balance between work human and AI.
Will AI understand the law and rule of nature. Not impossible because it has no emotions.
[5:10 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors
We’d love to hear more from you on today’s topic π
We hope that we can keep the discussion related to the topic robust and active!
Megan π
[5:19 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie, good point on fear of AI compromising into humans.
Many experts have expressed their concerns of AI replacing Humans. That's true and halfway to the truth!
2050 onwards, beyond 6Gs, can be called HexoT. Perhaps the full truth will emerge, as for now, it's a metaverse in the making.
Hope it helps to smoothen your valid concerns.
Thank you.
[5:20 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Another job scam that I just block and reported.
[5:24 pm, 01/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: I hope with all these automated blocks and policy coming in place, i hope they also make it easy for end users to request for exceptions to unblock things that were blocked.
Case in point, i used to be able to put in my SG mobile phone number as caller id in my US sip trunk provider.
Because of “lazy” implementation, the telco’s all now do blanket block all non SG sip calls that show “+65” as the caller id.
Force consumers to use expensive SG sip providers to do the same thing.
[5:24 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: To block is to enable quantum counting.
How fast can your "police car" run? Your lightning computer systems!
[5:25 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Reconfigurations of nano chip of 1nm using EMV.
[5:28 pm, 01/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Another example is paypal. I used to be able to transfer funds to overseas non profit organizations.
Just because that it was used by some bad hats to pay terrorist organizations, gov require paypal to apply for a license.
Paypal never did it, presumably because there is a cost involved and it was a rather difficult process.
We now can’t transfer funds to non terrorist organizations.
[5:42 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Presumably, transferring to the middle east countries may need more compliance.
However, you might wish to check out a few "big" money changers in SG or in KL. It's legal.
They will facilitate your transfer with a receipt for your reference.
Hope it helps.
Thank you.
[5:43 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Scam I received
[5:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Anselm: I would prefer the government
1. define trans boundaries cyber crimes as crimes in international space.
2. Pass legislation to give our cyber security agencies like CSA, and SAF the mandate to take down these malicious cybercriminals.
[5:44 pm, 01/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Scam messages still coming through thru WhatsApp.
[5:44 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Unfortunately!
[5:57 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: How to black out these scam msg?
How do these scammers have access to mobile numbers?
Who is selling these mobile numbers to third parties for marketing and or research purposes?
How to hack from Telco these Mobile numbers with profile of customers?
What are the firewall or protections our Telco possesses?
Where are the leakages? Is it through phone calls whether it is local or overseas?
[5:58 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Who is selling - anyone who borrowed from illegal money lenders, bookies, loan sharks etc!
[6:01 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Various measures to better combat online harms were announced this week in parliament, including the Online Criminal Harms Act (OCHA) to be introduced later this year as well as a new code of practice targeted at harmful content in app stores and marketplaces.
π¬ What are your views on measures to combat online harms? How can we ensure Singaporeans are protected from online harms as we evolve into a more digitally connected society?
The announcements come amidst a continued push to enhance connectivity and boost digital trade and investment in Singapore through a Digital Connectivity Blueprint, which includes plans for 6G mobile and a 10Gbps home broadband network.
Minister Josephine Teo said in a speech during the debate on the Ministry of H…
[6:01 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, ok, some avenues aka lobangs.
What is the risk stratification based on age, race, language, home type, expenditures and
income?
What are the common tactics aka commonality of these scams? What are their patterns of penetration, frequency within 24 hours, day of the week, month to month?
Thank you.
[6:02 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: It’s believed come roam register by telecom staffs who is trying to sell market to money lender trying to call/WhatsApp to scam
[6:02 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: It’s believed come roam register by telecom staffs who is trying to sell black market to money lender trying to call/WhatsApp to scam
[6:02 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie, good lobang! You are sharp!
Thank you.
[6:03 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: It has to be PEOPLE TO PEOPLE collaborating to pass, to sell and share commission for each successful scam deal.
[6:05 pm, 01/03/2023] +XaniceAfcai: Sigh... Few days ago I receive an overseas whatapp to do survey n in return pay shd6. Upon asking how do they get my number.... N who r they.
They introduce that fr grab food delivery n replied that my contacts get fr telecom.
Kept asking me to response the survey.
[6:06 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: No fix pattern of being targeted! Anyone who has an axe to grind with anyone else (relatives, spouse, family, colleagues, acquaintances, char groups etc) can make us a unknowingly victim and we are non the wiser!
[6:06 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[6:07 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: . Correct
[6:08 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: So it's like casting a wide wide net.
Either you are aware of or vigilant enough or sadly a careless cat...
[6:09 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[6:09 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Where is the origin of data leak?
Perhaps it is a bit late to chase it...
[6:10 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Take a cue from convicted felon through court records to get an idea
[6:11 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: The dark Web is a good source too !
[6:11 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: How about REASSIGN a new digit at the 1st or last of each mobile number...RESET and clean all Mobile numbers?
991234567 or 912345678
[6:11 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Eventually, they will find a loophole!
[6:13 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Complex permutations will need higher cognitive abilities and Maths to crack it.
However through collaboration, things will start to leak out...
But nothing is impossible, a need to solve these mountains of mess!
[6:14 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: A constant cat and mouse game!
[6:15 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Isn't it fun!
Who beats who first to the red light... that's digitisation!
[6:15 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[6:16 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Super computers will Hack these scammers off the wall!
[6:16 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: I take my hat off to govtech/csa who know how to tread inside the dark Web with extreme caution!
[6:17 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: People with ill Intent are as capable as those with rare in demand anti hacking, spam and scam skills!
[6:19 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Machine language, natural language etc....
"If One speaks a unique language, the whole world will need to either get a translator or start to learn this one-off language!..."
[6:19 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[6:21 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: The translator is the gate keeper aka burning wall...
The unique language is more than coding! It's a secret code uniquely to an environment.
Simulations and or machine learning will take more effort to identify and match this unique code/language in order to assess or to break it ..
[6:22 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Always beating you to the red light and off the wall, you go!"
- - anonymity
[6:23 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Anonymity is back!
[6:31 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Seek higher knowledge from the following:
MIT
Stanford
Brown
Caltech
Leningrad (Oops ❌)
Mathematics, Heuristics, AI, Electromagnetics, Quantum.
Perhaps, these attributes and specific knowledge will create a unique environment for a specific purpose/path.
Idea is complexity over complexity!
Thank you.
[6:32 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: The "British" Uni have good grip on coding...
[6:33 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Where do our uni stand on this!?
[6:38 pm, 01/03/2023] +Timothy Weerasekera: @REACH Singapore Rushed post coz I need to get out of the office and can't type before 7pm. Sorry if not 100% coherent.
On the idea of Online Harms, I feel that one has been proposed has been too narrowly defined.
Applaud the proposal for App Store scrutiny and restrictions, esp for sexual content, but i see that as a drop in a bucket and therefore a little insincere.
Eg. Twitter is full of pornography.
Our ISPs symbolically block access to 100+? Porn websites, but what about actually being sincere about it and going the whole way?
Some may ask where the line is to be drawn. I think an analogue would be tobacco and alcohol use. If we would frown upon parents negligent enough to allow minors to use tobacco and alcohol, why would we not do the same for pornographic use via browsers?
Perhaps there is something to be said about ISPs needing to send automated reports to households with children about site usage statistics? I think more needs to be done to help parents manage their kid's use. If device based controls are only part of the solution, perhaps ISPs should also contribute to the safety-net for the sake of holistic community protection.
"Oh, but what if that uncovers other unsavoury activity by spouses" - Yes, that's a great outcome too. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
[6:39 pm, 01/03/2023] +Rama: Food for thought!?
[6:41 pm, 01/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: R21 set code
[6:46 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Timothy, good evening, good pointers.
Age limit to access certain boundaries.
Thank you.
[6:46 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
[6:47 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Which uni or entity created the TT token?
How about our Singpass ID?
Govt tech?
[6:50 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Timothy,
Recalling one Mark Twain classic that is "To the Person Sitting in Darkness".
Thank you.
[6:59 pm, 01/03/2023] +Smiley face: The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power: Barack Obama's Books of 2019
- - Professor Shoshana Zuboff
[6:59 pm, 01/03/2023] +Wai Xin: where do our uni stand in those subjects? not very high la.. they bother themselves w other stuff.. dunno why also π€ͺ
[7:00 pm, 01/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
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