REACH 430 - What are your views on Singapore’s population strategies in increasing its total fertility rate?
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27 Feb 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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[10:53 am, 27/02/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the Committee of Supply Debate 2023 last Friday, Min Indranee Rajah mentioned that Singapore’s total fertility rate has been declining for many years, with a new low at 1.05 in 2022. With a lower fertility rate and a longer life expectancy, Singapore faces challenging complexities and challenges on the population front.
Various MPs took part in the Committee of Supply debates, with Mr Louis Ng suggesting to increase childcare leaves and introduce fertility leaves for couples undergoing fertility treatments. Another MP, Mr Louis Chua also suggested for gender-neutral parental leave.
π¬ *What are your views on Singapore’s population strategies in increasing its total fertility rate? *
Singapore’s population strategies seek to achieve a stronger social compact by:
π Supporting aspirations and strengthening assurance for Singaporeans
There is greater priority for first-timer families with children, as well as younger married couples, in their Build-To-Order flat applications, including an additional ballot.
The Government has also increased the Baby Bonus cash gift and the Child Development Account First Step Grant for all eligible Singaporean children, and a higher co-matching cap in the Child Development Account for the first and second child.
Additionally, Government-paid paternity leave will be extended to four weeks, up from the current two, for eligible working fathers of children born on or after Jan 1, 2024, and the Tripartite Guidelines on Flexible Work Arrangements will be rolled out in 2024.
π Growing opportunities
Government is looking into ways to further develop the local workforce. This includes preparing students for jobs of the future and diversifying pathways, investing heavily in education and building a stronger pipeline of Singaporeans for leadership positions across different sectors.
Min Indranee added that Singapore will need to remain open to foreign manpower to help fill skills shortages in the labour market and boost the economy’s productive capacity.
π Strengthening solidarity for a more cohesive society
A comprehensive set of factors, including an individual’s family ties to Singaporeans, economic contributions and qualifications, is evaluated when granting PR or citizenship, to ensure that new immigrants are rooted and contribute meaningfully here.
All new adult citizens come from within the pool of PRs and have been in Singapore for some time, while second-generation PRs serve national service.
π Planning ahead for future generations
On long-term population projections, Singapore increasingly develop various scenarios to stress-test assumption and allow for a range of possible outcomes.
The Government ensures to plan ahead of time and maintain flexibility to adjust its plans so that its able to respond to new trends and safeguard options for the future.
ππΌ https://www.strategygroup.gov.sg/media-centre/speeches/speech-by-minister-indranee-rajah-on-population-at-the-cos-2023/
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/s-pore-s-total-fertility-rate-hit-record-low-in-2022-govt-to-help-aspiring-parents-indranee-rajah
ππΌ https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/committee-supply-2023-debate-day-1-indranee-rajah-well-being-singaporeans-heart-population-strategies-3302771
ππΌ https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/committee-supply-2023-debate-day-1-louis-ng-sg-made-families-3302411?view=embed
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[11:05 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Employees need to know how their employers view the pro creative recommendations!?
[11:14 am, 27/02/2023] +Yinnia NEW: Yes ok
[11:16 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I guess we have a long way to go
[11:19 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Why couple don't want to have children or only plan for 1 or max 2?
1) cost of living
2) high cost of child care
3) career first, by then too old to try for children
4) long wait for BTOs
5) stress over pri sch balloting
[11:21 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: We need to address the issues than just give baby bonus
[11:21 am, 27/02/2023] +TD: Think root cost for most issues is still cost? imho
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I planned to hv 4 children,
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +TD: *cause
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: But gave up halfway
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: High cost
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Stopped at 2
[11:22 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Baby bonus only tide the initial period
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: CDA matching, we used up the quota before they turn 2/3 yo
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Childcare was just so expensive
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Agree
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Both parents need to work
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Unlike the older days
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: For a uncle, you are still young!?
[11:23 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: The mum can stay hm
[11:24 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Children was affordable but now costly
[11:24 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Long term subsidy !?
[11:24 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yeah
[11:25 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Dad must earn at least 10K
[11:25 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Although we shouldn't go back to last time, since we are looking at gender equality.
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Hahahaha
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I appreciate the waiver of school fees for gov sch though
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Rofl
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Don't have the energy to chase after children
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: For sure
[11:26 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: These days what's $10K
[11:27 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: After deducting for loans, insurance, medicals and etc, probably left not much for savings
[11:27 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Exactly!
[11:27 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Giving birth at hosp is not cheap ya
[11:27 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: But thankfully my wife gave birth to my two naturally, hence my cost is only $2.5 and $3.2k then
[11:28 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Now? Easily $8k or more
[11:28 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Depending whether complications occured
[11:29 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Maybe KKH is still affordable
[11:29 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Mine both at KKH
[11:31 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I applauded doubling the paternal leave for fathers
[11:32 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: But if I'm the employee, I may not want to use up all the leaves. It is a kind of stingma in the office politics
[11:32 am, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I may just take 1 week first then slowly use up the remaining, if there is a chance
[11:36 am, 27/02/2023] +Yinnia NEW: yinnia Dnt hv kid children
[11:43 am, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[0:10 pm, 27/02/2023] +Grace: I think a good number of mothers would like to be around for their child's formative years. Yet work is so crazy. We need more understanding bosses.
[0:11 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Let's name pro creation employers as a fine example for others to follow!?
[0:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +L: Yes, both for mums and dad's!
[0:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: That's for sure. But at the same time they want to balance their worries about being 'marked' at workplace for being not around for a substantial period of time.
[0:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: "The bigger a country is the bigger the headcount headache it will be...!"
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[0:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: This cuts down direct bonding with domestic helper
[0:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +Yinnia NEW: I need look for Job as packer 2025 or nt
[1:01 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: 2024 or this year!?
[1:10 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Understanding bosses who had kids
[1:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Challenging for those working for non kid parents. Hard to have emphaty. I had a single dynamic female HOD who pressurized my friend to resign because she had complications in her pregnancy with no guilt.
[1:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: 23 February, 2023
In Search of Talents and Replacements?
"Who needs who most?"
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J-Find and J-Skip:
Minimum ¥8.0 millions annual Income and onwards may apply and fresh foreign graduates especially from the global top 100 universities are highly sort after by the Japanese government.
Why the hurry to get new blood into Japan?
Accelerated ageing population, Japan, the attrition of 40 millions citizens and threatens the existence of Japan! On the workforce participations, one in two of age 65 to 69 years old are still working to survive. Historically, since the Meiji era, Japan was an exclusive country whereby only japanese served japanese. Today, things have changed, it is that simple!
https://www.timesnownews.com/jobs/planning-to-work-abroad-japan-announces-j-skip-and-j-find-visas-to-attract-top-graduates-high-income-earners-article-98083311
"J-Find" visa allows individual up to 2 years stay in Japan. Income $80k
"J -Skip" visa is a higher class permit with dependants and up to 2 domestic helps allowed to enter into Japan. The use of fast Immigration lane as commonly used by foreign dignitaries, likewise J-Skip holders will access the same. Income of $100k and above.
"What is the cost of livings, and how about the quality of livings...is your hard earned monies well spent here or elsewhere, the Americans often say, 'bang for your bucks'...?"
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As for accomodation cost, plenty of affordable apartments in the larger Tokyo areas costing $100k onwards all and freehold too! For a bigger house with private Onsan hot spring will cost $150k onwards. Some hot deals include 'rent and own' tenancy whereby after a 22 years of renting, the apartment belongs to the tenant. In the rural areas, free homes are available to foreigners to stay for as long as they wish.
Who are the migrants and why so?
China, Taiwan, Hong kong and India with 66% comes from China. It's about cost of housings and a hope to start a new live and livelihood in Japan?
Human migrations have been a historical phenomena, nothing unique and a path for humans to get away from miseries, for opportunities and challenges in life! Are all the above factors true? After all said, the above are facts! Isn't it!
https://www.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/english/about/history/history02.html#:~:text=The%2023%20Special%2Dward%20Area,-The%20total%20area&text=The%20population%20has%20been%20showing,and%20cultural%20hub%20of%20Japan.
[1:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The superior only apologized when she herself went thru complications in her pregnancy
[1:14 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Not necessarily understanding
[1:14 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Don't think so
[1:15 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: So much for government pro creation policy!
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Can complain to MOM one.
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I shall not name school.
I have a close friend, who teach in a moe school.
She got married and was planning to have kids. She was 'brainwashed' by her subject head cos her classes are preparing for national exam in the following year.
She decided to put on hold her plans till the student exams over this year.
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I understand the government sector More understanding compared to commercial
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Actually her own HR should warn her but companies do it more subtlety lah
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Not exactly
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Depending which sector
[1:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Or ministry
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: In theory only
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: . Outcome too taxing mentally and financially!
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: All have kPIs
Then get 'marked' later on.
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I know of pple who choose not to have kids in order not to slow down their careers or impact their retirement
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Credit to the subject head? Haha
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Can be manipulate to advantage
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Cfm
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: U must baoto and leave lah. Hahaha
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Cannot expect to stay
[1:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: I last met her during xmas
[1:21 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: This was what she shared with us
[1:21 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: She also worried her appraisal will be affected
[1:21 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Grace, good afternoon, many good pointers from you!
Addon:
Formative years means up to 16 years old or into 18 years, that's teenage years!
Only if the working world comprehend the heavy burden of raising children will these managers realise it...
Thank you.
[1:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Everyone has to make a choice. I heard if you're single mother you're supported all thru the child's life? True or fake?
[1:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Where to find answers
[1:23 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Conditions attached
[1:24 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Maybe government should sponsor all the way like the single mom
[1:24 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Then mothers and fathers can relax
[1:24 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: A lot of considerations to factor in
[1:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Won't one. Gahmen is allergic to such policies. No personal responsibility
[1:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. Government should deploy innovative ideas and test it. Like.covid. we're known for being innovative
[1:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: The problem is more pervasive. Many actors inlfuence many not to have kids
[1:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Many factors that cannot be so easily addressed
[1:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: This is an issue for many developed countries
[1:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Yearly appraisal should not take into consideration when child is born for first 3 years.
[1:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree. One is who will take care of them. Last night I saw the maid playing with the kids (3 of them) parents on the phone
[1:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Given that the only resource of Singapore is labour, this is a big problem
[1:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: It's so common. U can see it on display at almost all restaurants
[1:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Should not be faulted by employer or supervisor
[1:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Usually the kids are watching phones too
[1:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: They Will have attachment and abandonment issues When the maid leaves
[1:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Only the maid isn't watching phone
[1:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: My friend shared that the daughter told her to go to work and bring auntie back
[1:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Maid been with them from birth until 12 years old
[1:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Perhaps ministry can take the lead when comes to appraisal for new mother, should be automatic recommended for salary raise or promotion. Unless performance really below par
[1:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: It goes against our meritocratic policies and free market dynamics
[1:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/only-2-things-needed-to-have-more-kids-a-house-and-good-childcare-support-sporean-on-louis-ngs-fertility-leave-proposal-for-couples-needing-ivf/
[1:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: U can only incentivize and ensure no discrimination
[1:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Discrimination will creep in nonetheless!
[1:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: If that's the case, a lot of areas need to work on it.
Entry to elite school
Son of reputable people automatic get a chance to ocs
[1:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Face value only!
[1:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Discrimination is in the society, that many of us know
[1:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: It is not being debated about on a higher level
[1:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: If you want to progress, with increased in birth rate, something must be done in a bigger way
[1:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: So how bad is it across the employment blanket!?
[1:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Maybe the company get extra $$$ when their staff are pregnant or kids along the way. More kids more $$$ for the company and supporters
[1:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Else no women wants to give birth cos their career is being jeopardize
[1:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Currently 3rd child onwards, company get reimbursed from gov for the salary portion
[1:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Perhaps can be extended to second or even first chuld
[1:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Child
[1:42 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: For the country's good. We may lose our national identity. Like Japan, inadequate nurses
[1:42 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: National identity will always change
[1:42 pm, 27/02/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Population growth is a tough nut to crack because if depends on :-
a. Couple's aspiration to have kids.
b. Factors affecting or supporting couple to have more kids.
i. This could be any help to look after the babies and toddlers during young age - eg. grandparents, nurseries, maid
ii. Is the companies supportive of women with child bearing age.
iii. Financial affordability
iv. Worries how will the children fare in schools - all the way to University - so that they will have a good future.
v. Conducive for couple to own BTO flats to get married.
2. In other words, couple aspiration to have more kids are affected by :-
a. Household help to raise kids.
b. Business support for women having kids.
c. Government support to make housing available, easy access to schooling, financial assistance to make child bearing more affordable etc
3. At macro level, the government policies look supportive for "pro-creation" and should help couple contemplating raising kids to do so.
4. But having say so, raising kids are something very personal - and sometimes, personal factors, their jobs that they are helming will immediately and directly affect the couples whether raise more kids or not - because raising kids are long term commitments - and there are many stressors along the way.
Eg. if companies adopt flexibility WFH/WFO - for women bearing kids will be helpful.
[1:43 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: We are a country of immigrants
[1:43 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: When I used to go reservist , near the end I already see many NSF with interesting Vietnamese, angmor and even Myanmar name tags
[1:43 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: As a country of immigrants, national identity always evolves
[1:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Grace: Got a lot of meetings today, sorry not so active on the chat.
[1:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Every phase of immigrants will face the same identify crises when their children and children's children become citizens and see new immigrants come in
[1:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Maybe the next phase will be African or South American citizens
[1:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Immigrants
[1:45 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Our current economy needs a surfeit of cheaper and available labour
[1:53 pm, 27/02/2023] +GLCM: The very first starting point is whether married couples want to have kids.
The decision may stem partly from the background of how they were brought up as a child. Do they look upon it as an ideal / aspiration or something they tell themselves "I don't want to have kids after I grow up"
The family unit of the current or past, influence the future generation's mindset about having a family.
If we can influence it positively, then the aspiration of the future will tend towards procreation.
[1:54 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Maybe the influence can start from young.
[1:55 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: This is wrong!
[1:55 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Although not all comes from complete family, some could have stingma from their past experiences.
Maybe can start from school about educating the students about family as a while
[1:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: U mean national education since young about the need to bear children ?
[1:58 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: It's a personal choice
[1:58 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I find it rich irony that we have the stop at 2 policy so many years ago
[1:58 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Now will we starting fining those who have less than 2
[1:58 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: We already depriortize them for HDB flats already π€£
[2:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: It's a personal choice no doubt, but through influence and peers
[2:00 pm, 27/02/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. In other words, Government after placing all supporting Government policies in place.
2. The next thing is to tackle business and companies - to support women of child-bearing age.
3. The last thing to do - is to influence and tackle personal couple and household pain points in child-bearing.
4. Only by looking into and tackling the 3 different levels separately -- with its unique problems and issues - can make pro-creation more successful.
[2:01 pm, 27/02/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the Committee of Supply Debate 2023 last Friday, Min Indranee Rajah mentioned that Singapore’s total fertility rate has been declining for many years, with a new low at 1.05 in 2022. With a lower fertility rate and a longer life expectancy, Singapore faces challenging complexities and challenges on the population front.
Various MPs took part in the Committee of Supply debates, with Mr Louis Ng suggesting to increase childcare leaves and introduce fertility leaves for couples undergoing fertility treatments. Another MP, Mr Louis Chua also suggested for gender-neutral parental leave.
π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s population strategies in increasing its total fertility rate?
Singapore’s population strategies seek to achieve a stronger…
[2:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: As a parent of kids, I think more affordable childcare centers and after school care options will go very far in helping
[2:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Given Singapore's long work hours and stress, this can help parents immensely
[2:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: This is a low hanging fruit
[2:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Which the gahmen can easily address
[2:10 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Long hours. Agreed.
Perhaps centre can help by extending the closing hours. From current 7pm to 715 or 730pm.
I do know by doing that, those teachers who may have children to fetch, may be delayed.
Some arrangements can be done by the centres.
[2:12 pm, 27/02/2023] +Wai Xin: I haven't had the chance to look at all the discussion.. so i'm just gonna share what could have been shared before. please pardon me if that is the case.
I think our birthrate is a victim of our own success. we have a cosmopolitan society and we have a fairly vibrant education system. our youths want to venture out to explore and learn from overseas experience. they want to achieve something in life, they want to explore and find their strength, niche, and cultivate their interest. in essence they want to live the best life they can. and if this is their aspiration, we can't fault them for it. at least they are aspiring young adults.
to ask them to form family in their golden biological age is a tough call because the golden age is not just for biological…
[2:17 pm, 27/02/2023] +GLCM: Yes. I sense the burning desire to venture and experience life in many younger colleagues or friends.
So to prep housing policies and childcare options etc only cater to those who want to have kids.
[2:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Wai Xin: but there's a danger of having targeted policies only to enable those who want to have kids, then we will risk having a brain drain as our youth are adaptable to foreign environment..
[2:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Wai Xin: if the youth feel that they are not wanted here, they will gladly uproot and move to a "lower" stress society
[2:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +Yinnia NEW: Yes
[2:30 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Exactly!
[2:32 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Point two needs frank update from all employers without prejudice!
[2:33 pm, 27/02/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Getting business to support women in child bearing age - not an easy task.
[2:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Even if hr and senior management are females@
[2:35 pm, 27/02/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ: π
[2:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +L: Yes, this was the point I was making about housing too. Need to balance stable society with inspirational society.
[2:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: How when prices are shocking high even after subsidies!?
[2:54 pm, 27/02/2023] +Yinnia NEW: I need offer low prices r new hse
[2:55 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Hard but try
[4:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the Committee of Supply Debate 2023 last Friday, Min Indranee Rajah mentioned that Singapore’s total fertility rate has been declining for many years, with a new low at 1.05 in 2022. With a lower fertility rate and a longer life expectancy, Singapore faces challenging complexities and challenges on the population front.
Various MPs took part in the Committee of Supply debates, with Mr Louis Ng suggesting to increase childcare leaves and introduce fertility leaves for couples undergoing fertility treatments. Another MP, Mr Louis Chua also suggested for gender-neutral parental leave.
π¬ *What are your views on Singapore’s population strategies in increasing its total fertility rate? *
Singapore’s population strategies seek to achieve a strong…
[4:30 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I agree. I have friends who Left and came back because overseas they're treated as second class citizens. It's anecdotal so not representing the whole
[4:33 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: I believe government is aware of so called two Singapore society existing for some time now! Economic growth potential has created a necessity for foreign people who built their own enclave and ostracised the local population in their own country !
[4:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Wai Xin: let's not get carried away π€ͺ..
but just like they come here, we also have people heading out. these foreigners prob felt their countries didn't treat them well. π«£
[4:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: It's a fact of life not to be tramped under the carpet with pretence! Let's not concern ourselves with what our former citizens do in those host countries!
[4:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Better dun give birth, as raise a child already very difficult, plus Gov MSF is looking all ways to remove children from family with their cook up stories by hiring no experience officers. In the end parent had to waste money hire lawyer to fight with them in court to get the child back. Like that which family can afford. Said until so nice many child care leave. Which boss will happily accept. Those officers that they hired are single young arrogant without parent hood experience will dun bother much , they will just grab and go cause families and children in further trouble. Normal families already copes like crazy what ever single parent. They should stop these officers from doing wrong thing 1st and give more morals support or financial support before they come out these. It defit the purpose. Talk everyone can talk.
[4:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Valid
[4:52 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: The Gov are thinking all ways to collapse families and suck more funds from the families as there are most vulnerable and easy to suck money. Most of the boss will agree on what Gov said, coming to carried out , parent will suffer in work field as boss will find all excuse to make thing difficult. Children are human they will get sick especially those special children. Every time take leave, boss will jump and cook stories or make things difficult to force them to resign. If you are boss , will you paid a worker for nothing is done and stay at home look after children, it will affect the company operation. May be 1 out of 10 boss are good but mostly will ask them go home eat themselves.
[4:53 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: So much for promoting exemplary employers!
[4:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: This is unfortunately quite common. Gonna get worse with all the geopolitical tensions now between china and the western countries
[4:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: To make things worst, the MSF is hiring all youngster without experience and creating more burden to families. All the leave might not be enough because the parent will need keep take leave for court session for this & that. So which boss will allow staff always take leave, a family got couple to rotate take leave how about single families. MSF will never give them assistance , they sit there and draw more money from families. even families tried to feedback no one will help they will just push around. We have a case here. she look for MP several rounds but no use after MP had written in so many times . During her last visit with MP, the staff from the office outside tear her queue number and shoo her off saying no point seeing MP after he had write in so many time and nothing works. So is this the system that Singaporean wants .
[5:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Wow
[5:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Work life balance is only given lip service . Nowadays bosses tell you the PM said you need to look after your own lunch . You decide your family more important or your " lunch" . More implied than say of course
[5:02 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: How do the Nordic countries deal with this I wonder
[5:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: State mandates no firing for pregnant ladies and pays their salaries for 1year or more ?
[5:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Good new the birth rate go down otherwise more families suffer and more children became a pest with these officers anyhow back up the children , saying parent hit children is abuse, children hit parent is nothing. With this sort of backup from MSF, all the children will became King and parent will have more difficulties in teaching the children. Give birth is easy , just pop out, but the journey is not especially with these group of MSF officers.
[5:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But how to fill the job gap still
[5:04 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Which boss will do that , they escape they will tried escape.
[5:05 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Haha. I feel your pain. If the state says the kid is my responsibility to raise and nurture , why interfere when I discipline the kids . Most parents want the best for their kids , you shouldn't stop corporal punishment just due to some bad parents
[5:05 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: In a way, I think sometimes liberal western thought on how to bring up kids is not right
[5:06 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: It is not involves of salaries in involves the work flow. If you are a boss will you paid them sit at home do nothing. If Gov paid then no words said. The things is how much they paid , is it enough for the families. Now everything go up, a bowl of noddle can cost $7 plus and it is very little.
[5:08 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Agree
[5:11 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: they dun bother , those officers just want to hit their KPI, They just remove and throw them inn home and that it. My friend a single parent has a special violence child with proven record, she physically calm her child few time to buy time to get help from other. was charge child abuse. Until now 8 months never see the child and still need hire lawyer to fight this case in court. Those officers do not bother what my friend said and insist the charging . So go try , just a simple action and be so dramatic until go court. Are these officers trying to said of the child wants to kill , the parent should get the child a knife to kill. It was so horrible.
[5:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Not surprising
[5:15 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Go every where to feedback , they play taichi around, pushing her from Dept to Dept with no help. As a single still have to find money to hire lawyer. If like that better dun give birth. One give birth , there will be no end problem. Now a days, mother are like Gov Machine. Can give birth but cannot teach,
[5:15 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Exactly
[5:18 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Now mother are like cows , after fulfill duties of give birth, just wait there to be slaughter by these officers. Those cannot take it will chose to end their life. Just the Bukit Batok case. Gov cover until so nice, act until so pity in the media, who is the culprit that cause them to end their life - the MSF Officers are the one.
[5:18 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: So Singaporean wake up especially mothers do not fall in the traps.
[5:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: @ΰΈูΰΈΰΈ²ΰΈ CH Poh Clinic I applauded your feedbacks
[5:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: This is truly on the ground sentiments
[5:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: I rather no one send me off when I am died than became MSF give birth machine.
[5:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: If only!
[5:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: π³
[5:24 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: As an extension of what poh said, sometimes I feel we are like the animals in a high intensity farm and the gahmen Is a farmer . We are being measured in economic units like how much we can contribute to GDP and the nation/ economy :(
[5:24 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: They sit high on top what they know. Ask them come tried one week , not one months . they will surrender. Their pay is our 10 years pay . I admired Aust , all of them cut 50% paid during pandemic, to help each one another. As for child , they allow parent to discipline their with a guideline by Gov, any parent overdoing it , then they will step. Their system is so good until they do not play taichi , they take action very fast. They also do not allow biased system, not like Singapore.
[5:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Once no economic use, ask u go Malaysia retire as minister khaw said previously
[5:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Yes, we are . Most of us are good animals to wait for slaughter.
[5:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +TD: Not Khaw Boon Wan, Amy Khor said that
[5:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Issit? Always thought was khaw boon kuan but the you get the idea
[5:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: If these happen in oversea, you can see a lot riots around, not like Singaporean all keep quiet and let them kill and suck blood.
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Like a good farmer, the gahmen only takes care of us so that we are productive and can continue to "produce"
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: The farmer feed the flock special crafted words and funds.
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: That's y women should not be discriminated at work for not be able to get that promotion or raise, just because she was away to give birth
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Like now PM elect Lawrence Wong say Singaporeans want to work longer
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Once u cannot produce, they will kill u.
[5:27 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Agree
[5:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Crazy , retire and enjoy , who want to work until the day we step in coffin .
[5:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But does he realize, most pple have to work longer not by choice
[5:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: As much as the men contribute to nation defence, they get medals and ranks. Our women should be recongised for their nation building as well
[5:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Sure!?
[5:28 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Wait long long, all women are machine without appreciation.
[5:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: No women, no children!
[5:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Of course, they will cook stories to pin u down. If want to tired, u can tried.
[5:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Pointless to promote
[5:30 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Human production factory!
[5:33 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Gov is only making an excuse to lift the birth rate, to make women produce more children, without thinking thinking the consequence. Once they are done with their duties, they will cook stories and remove the child. If women cannot take it they kill themselves, the Gov will clap their hand and act pity in media. If women are strong they will continue to cook story and pressure from their employer will also drive them to nuts.
[5:33 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I think the gahmen still need women in workforce lah
[5:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Double the employment, produtivity, consumption and taxes
[5:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Double GDP leh
[5:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But yes they want them to produce children too
[5:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: We really are farm animals π€£
[5:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: yala because now not enough worker. So they push the producer to work.
[5:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Singapore farm biggest product is pple
[5:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: We no other natural resource other than human capital
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Existing capital need to work hard
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Also need to produce next gen of capital
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: If no male cow slough the field, the woman cow also have to slough the field after produce.
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Since cannot produce then import lor
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Hard numbers
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Male animal need for NS
[5:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: And also produce money
[5:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: So in order to meet GDP, need more and more animals
[5:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Waiting for our members to write essays
[5:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi C H Poh,
Can you tell more about the Bukit Batok case?
Two, how should govt agencies act upon to reduce these "taichi quan", it seems like efficient yet not effective.
Three, can you elaborate on how mothers (women) are compromised and vulnerable?
Thank you.
[5:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I mean to b fair, I understand that Singapore is small with no other resources but is there any other way ?
[5:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: It is not cannot produce. It was them the famer producer to nearby country , so now they have to use roof top to grow veg , this and that
[5:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Are we willing to trade off less skyscrapers , luxury malls, Singapore F1 for a slower pace of life , less GDP , maybe less high level jobs
[5:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Is there any other way for Singapore to survive
[5:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: There is with smart ways. with equal percent in all.
[5:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Really is siege mentality non stop
[5:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Every day, we are under siege and must make more sacrifices
[5:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I don't have an answer . Just airing my thoughts
[5:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I m old enuff to remember Singapore when it wasn't like this
[5:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: And they are supposed to have the foresight!?
[5:39 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Maybe the world has changed and we have no choice
[5:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: Last x with PM Lee. we survive . we have our chicken egg meat vegetable farm but where did they go ? All was move to oversea, as Gov need more dollars and more cement world.
[5:40 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Again, I don't have helicopter vision π€£
[5:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +C H POH DIGESTIVE & ...: It their mindset , their brain had been wash with money instead of humility .
[5:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Well, the minister's salary review is coming up soon
[5:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Let's see how much they will increase π€£
[5:42 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Review downwards and only go up to offset inflation. A good start is the salary for 090865 independence cabinet!
[5:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Lol. I want to see how much will increase leh
[5:44 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Leave it stagnant till 2050!
[5:45 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: U and me both know it won't happen π
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Wait they say no dignity π€£
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Still must get the message across!
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But jokes aside. I think they job is not easy
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Their
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But solidarity is needed
[5:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Since political office is a calling and not for money only
[5:47 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: There was dignity when we showed the world our grit and determination to succeed after being kicked out of the federation in 1965!
[5:47 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Not say pay peanuts but cannot be so high that they are divorced from reality
[5:47 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:47 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: I read somewhere that one country peg the ministers pay to how much they can raise the minimum pay in the country and not GDP
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Peanut performance but fat pay check nonetheless!
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Now that's progressive !!
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Will we!?
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Wait long long looooooong
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: π€£
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: But since this is the gahmen feedback channel
[5:48 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Can I propose this ?
[5:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Till government become not just one party!?
[5:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: ☝️
[5:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Why not!?
[5:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Dunno who is taking notes. Hahaha
[5:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Probably Megan!?
[5:50 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Ah yes
[5:50 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: Anyway, just throwing out ideas
[5:50 pm, 27/02/2023] +Fulgrim.: We all want the best for Singapore and for our children
[5:51 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Likewise
[5:56 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: 11 September, 2010 (long ago...)
"Correct or Wrong and Right to Left?"
Sometime in the name of righteousness, we become highly emotional and upset over many things in life. We pour our negativity and unpleasant self and often enough not many people care about righteousness!
How about conflict or heated arguments? In any conflict mediation, there are TWO or more sides of logical reasons. One side reasoned better and many will agree and flock to this logic.
Perhaps, it is not simply logic but to be able to see BEYOND the REALITY of what seems to be a logical conclusion.
You need skill, intelligence, sharpness, and the power of observation to derive a higher order other than logic itself.
What's the true reality beyond these reasons and logic?
- - in progress - -
[5:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Essay time
[5:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Uncle Law, good afternoon!
[5:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Uncle Law: Good evening
[5:57 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, same to you!
[6:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the Committee of Supply Debate 2023 last Friday, Min Indranee Rajah mentioned that Singapore’s total fertility rate has been declining for many years, with a new low at 1.05 in 2022. With a lower fertility rate and a longer life expectancy, Singapore faces challenging complexities and challenges on the population front.
Various MPs took part in the Committee of Supply debates, with Mr Louis Ng suggesting to increase childcare leaves and introduce fertility leaves for couples undergoing fertility treatments. Another MP, Mr Louis Chua also suggested for gender-neutral parental leave.
π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s population strategies in increasing its total fertility rate?
Singapore’s population strategies seek to achieve a stronger …
[6:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Cheers!
Do forgive those long "telegram", pls read and digest, it may bring about more ideas... deeper meaning "θ―δΈζθ―"
Thank you!
[6:00 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Likewise
[6:02 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: If pay so much and can't resolve then don't pay so much because can't resolve haha
[6:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Eat humble pie!
[6:03 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Be like other countries politicians talk and talk and talk and talk and vote again
[6:04 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: USA!
[6:06 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Oh but I heard they not paid as much as ours but their perks and after retirement books are paid well. Like Trump former associates
[6:06 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Not surprising!
[6:06 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew,
How about Malaysia and Indonesia?
Any comment to addon?
Thank you.
[6:06 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Trump paid only one dollar but he takes air force one to play golf all the time hahaha
[6:07 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Too corrupt and bureaucratic!
[6:07 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Jimmy, good afternoon!
You are correct, perks and more!
Thank you
[6:07 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, you are correct, you nailed it!
Thank you.
[6:08 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Indonesia doing well?
[6:09 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: So when you pay peanuts you will get M....
What if you pay the gorilla tons you may also get more M....
So how?
[6:09 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: We must not complain because if they are as efficient as us we will be pushed over hahaha
[6:09 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Getting better but I have hopes Malaysia under Anwar!
[6:09 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[6:09 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Efficiency+ Effective
[6:11 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Have you been to KL ? Singaporeans told me night sceneries and activities many times better than Singapore
[6:11 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I too
[6:11 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Definitely
[6:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Jimmy,
Where are the betters compared to SG?
Is it cost or more than value for money?
Where are the fun and vibrancy?
Thank you.
[6:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Our ministers are doing Great they got to do more greater things. Innovative rather than cut and paste.
[6:13 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Agree
[6:14 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Haha it's anecdotal. One man meat is another man poison
[6:14 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: We just got to collect Data and confirm
[6:14 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: ππ€·♂️
[6:18 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: We're just a microorganism of peoples' opinion
[6:18 pm, 27/02/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Minster would see more and confirm our hunches
[6:19 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: OPINION | S’poreans are not having babies; besides high cost of living, can a child’s future be truly free from stresses beyond reasonable?
Singapore’s government has been in a jam in the last few decades.Singapore is getting older, and people are not having babies.Then, there’s the fact that wages don’t seem to be rising along with cost, and we’re told that we need to be “more productive” if we want more money.
https://news.nestia.com/detail_share/10561610?media_type=1&invite_code=000562032624&nestiaShareChannel=whatsapp
[6:20 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good article!
A generation learning from the previous...
Thank you.
[6:21 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Just happened to come across it on Telegram!
[6:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: It is a paradigm shift in MINDSETS starting from the millennials!
[6:22 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Yes
[6:23 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: One sees one's parents having to feed one, one will rethink and form a new paradigm?
[6:23 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: BEYOND Reality!
[6:25 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: ...so do active migrations especially for big nations like the US, India and China and lesser for the Africa nations.
Another dimension in the changing!
[6:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Exactly
[6:26 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: AI and robotics our future generation domestic helper!
[6:29 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.
Next is, how can all of us meaningfully brainstorm ways and means to come up with soluble outcomes so that the survival of SG will not be swap away by these unavoidable forces! That is ageing and attrition of one nation headcount, Japan is an extreme example for us to observe!
Next is South Korea and us- SG!
[6:31 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: We need sph and mediacorp to show impartiality when reporting pros and cons on policies suggestions from all politicians otherwise social media will be constantly filled with who knows what is happening!
[6:31 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Bring in equitable new Citizens of age under 40 with TWO or more kids!
This Immigration point system should have these two attributes and other qualifications and skillsets.
Btw, no extended family members.
[6:32 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Must serve national service in front line rolls!
[6:33 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, that will be a PRE CONDITION in agreement to accepting the RED ID.
No escapade!
Thank you.
[6:33 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Most welcome
[6:34 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Violation of this act MEANS BYE BYE to the entire family!
Thank you!
[6:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: I hope to see a Singapore where no politician will ever say the majority are not ready for a non Chinese PM!
[6:35 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Plus all previous years of GST Vouchers, Cash and incentives!
All crawl back with a 3% back interest too!
No free rider!
Thank you.
[6:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Great!
[6:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: 10%
[6:36 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: What is meritocracy about?
So tough?
It's a belief that through competitions to allocate resources to the best use, the best head/hand/heart for the job.
Thank you.
[6:37 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Dilute the races through interracial marriage
[6:38 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: This! Let the lovers meet eye to eye and heart to heart!
It's an aspiration and aspiration is one part of a LARGER capitalism idealogy.
Thank you.
[6:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: "No child" or "One child" is enough mindset is the new order for the global young folks. We can blame it on social media from FB, IG, TikTok to those influencers. The fact is all these influences have changed the perspective of billion young ones to think for oneself and no second thoughts for their future and the continuation of mankind.
[6:41 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: ΕΈup
[6:42 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: "Are you serious, it's all because of you...?"
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[6:42 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: π³ππ€·♂️
[6:43 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Aka datang, COMING up..
[6:45 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Will social intervention and early education works? How about inculcating our children the values of family, the challenges and benefits, responsibilities, parenthood, and the social implications of being CHILD-FREE or remains single for the entire life? Let's be brave to face the realities? The truth is children learn from parents, that is if a child's environment (shaped the brain) is full of challenges or unhappy & stressful childhood, perhaps this child will grow up better-off not tying the knot!
[6:45 pm, 27/02/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
[6:46 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: So it is logical or is it selfishness or personal choice or infertility that drives these CHILD-FREE individuals to make up their minds to be free and easy?
[6:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Will parents teach the opposite!?
[6:49 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: A combination of many!
[6:51 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, BEYOND reality!
[6:51 pm, 27/02/2023] +Rama: Social media exposure is a contributing factor!
[6:52 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Biggies! Yes!
[6:53 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: This is a concept.
[6:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Uncle Law, Andrew....the longer telegraph aka essay time!
[6:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +Smiley face: 27 February, 2023
To: Our Distinguished Leaders and All Honorable Members
"Are you serious, it's all because of you...?"
- - anonymity
The Future (in three paragraphs)?
It is a paradigm shift in MINDSETS starting from the millennials! Freedom: Child free, or double income couple and childless, or individuals remaining single! All of these individual choices are the truth and the realities that follow will have profound impact and significance as the world moves on into the (un)known.
Will social intervention and early education works? How about inculcating our children the values of family, the challenges and benefits, responsibilities, parenthood, and the social implications of being CHILD-FREE or remains single for the entire life? Let's be brave to face the realities? The truth is children learn from parents, that is if a child's environment (shaped the brain) is full of challenges or unhappy & stressful childhood, perhaps this child will grow up better-off not tying the knot!
The world demographics have changed and so do active migrations especially for big nations like the US, India and China and lesser for the Africa nations. "No child" or "One child" is enough mindset is the new order for the global young folks. We can blame it on social media from FB, IG, TikTok to those influencers. The fact is all these influences have changed the perspective of billion young ones to think for oneself and no second thoughts for their future and the continuation of mankind. Here it goes!
Are you kidding?
Couples willing to have kids are finding it harder to conceive while others having no fertility issues are facing the challenges of rising costs of living. What are the values, beliefs and views of these aspiring parents? What is their commonality? How about adopting children from other Asian countries and how easy it is?
Not kidding!
The old saying, "it takes a village to raise a kid...". Perhaps, now, you need a 'windfall' to raise a child?
Here comes this new group of people who aspire the freedom to roam, to choose and importantly no string attached and no baggage this lifetime! That's what the term YOLO derives, you only live once and please use it to your benefits!
So it is logical or is it selfishness or personal choice or infertility that drives these CHILD-FREE individuals to make up their minds to be free and easy?
Kidding me!
It is an unavoidable fact that raising a child aka starting a new family needs more than money to cope with the early childhood and young parenthood. These journeys are not a walk in the park! It commands responsibilities and perseverance on the part of the couple to track each day and each milestone of their family life cycle. Most critical is each family journey is different from the next and so on, the 'sweet and sour' of maintaining, education and family planning continues right up to the child's reaches adulthood. When adulthood arrives for the child, what's the next step as the parents or sole parent responsibilities are?
To simply cast a broad based social network to uplift these young families is perhaps the starting point for more helpings from the nationhood. For that "it takes a nation to raise the next generation of adults", isn't it true and can we achieve what we started and see through the entire cycle of a family unit? That's meaningful for all of us to think deeper if we really wish to solve this unstoppable global trend, "not kidding!"
Afterwords:
What is meritocracy about?
So tough?
It's a belief that through competitions to allocate resources to the best use, the best head/hand/heart for the job.
Well, in this game either you are highly competitive and winning or catching up with the competitions or non-competitive and losing out or worse of all people who have no basis to compete in this ultra marathon race of merits!
However, there are ways and roadmaps to go around and climb these trees of merit! (It will be discussed in a separate and appropriate occasion.)
- - in progress - -
[6:59 pm, 27/02/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
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