REACH - 62. When Circuit Breaker ends (SK)
26 Apr 2020 (12pm - 8pm)
REACH
[11:20 am, 26/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 26 Apr]
COVID-19: Stay home. If you must exercise outdoors, go alone and in your neighbourhood
🏃♀Do not exercise with others, even family members in your own household
- You may remove your mask during strenuous exercise (e.g. jogging) but must put it on after
🚫🚗 All carparks at gardens and parks are closed
- Many vehicles parked along East Coast Park 👉 if you have to drive to a park to exercise, don’t
🌳 Check how crowded a park is: safedistparks.nparks.gov.sg
🖥 Or, stay active through online fitness classes at home: go.gov.sg/activesg-26apr
go.gov.sg/mz-26apr
[12:01 pm, 26/04/2020] : Dear contributors, welcome back!
The chat will be open till 8pm today.
📢Topic:📢
Yesterday, Singapore saw a dip in the number of reported cases. However the number of reported clusters has increased as well.
It is a challenging period for all of us as we continue to adjust to the tighter Circuit Breaker measures.
How can we ensure that everyone continues to play their part to stay home, so that we can achieve the intended outcome when Circuit Breaker ends?
Share with us how you have been spending time at home! 😊
#SGUnited #SGTogether
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-coronavirus-singapore-northpoint-city-cluster-12675896
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[2:57 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If local transmission drops consistently to single digits and to zero for consecutive period of time, and when circuit breakers period end ---- suggest that the following are the recommended social distancing measures will still need to be put in place.
The reasons being :-
a. No vaccines are available yet.
b. Even for those who have been infected, signs show that they can be re-infected again as their anti-bodies does not guarantee no subsequent infections - whether by the same strain of virus or different mutated strain.
c. Standard treatment are still not available.
Thus the following social distancing measures will still need to be put in place - when circuit breaker period end :-
(1) Compulsory for all to put on reusable washable face mask when step out of the home.
Everyone at work and in schools - need to put on face mask - to prevent cross-infection among different family household.
The resusable washable face mask --- must be the last line of defense as "Personal Social Distancing Tool" - the last mile protection.
(2) 1 metre apart queuing as social distancing measure must also be in place - in public areas (except PT such as bus or MRT - maybe difficult - and have to rely on face mask as the last mile "Personal Social Distancing tool").
(3) Maintain personal hygiene - by washing hands with soap or sanitizer make widely available.
(4) For crowded areas like mall, supermarkets etc ---- crowd control will still be required.
(5) Eat-in in food court, coffeshop, restaurant - must still be disallowed.
Only allow "ta bao" (packet breakfast, tea-break, lunch or dinner) even when circuit breaker ends. Because when we eat, everyone needs to remove their mask.
And then You eat, I eat. You talk I talk, saliva drop ---- and it defeat the purpose of wearing mask - and if anyone infected - community spreading will start again - as it is the most likely source of cross infection --- that will make contact tracing very difficult - as many strangers meet.
(6) When slowly opening place of worship - all the above social distancing measures must be implemented.
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REACH
[3:14 pm, 26/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 26 Apr]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 931 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Of the 931 cases, 15 are Singaporeans/PRs.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh26aprupdate
[3:16 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yesterday 7 SC/PR.
Today 15 more than double.
So still too early to end CB.
Ben
[3:20 pm, 26/04/2020] : Again, we need to see % positive from testing. If proportion of positive results is dropping that's a good trend. Otherwise without knowing, maybe they just didn't test as many on Friday so the numbers were lower...
[3:28 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Agree.
XaniceAfcai
[3:35 pm, 26/04/2020] : Anyone know where shd I report ppls who did not wear mask? Saw 1 zi char stall personnel is plucking the veg at the coffeeshop table. For oneservice app do not have this category n even one report under others, one needs to take at least a photo which is mandatory field. I would not want to risk of taking ppls of ppls without oerimission. Later, they come after me..
[3:37 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Instead of submit a photo of that person, submit a photo of the place.
A suggestion....
XaniceAfcai
[3:38 pm, 26/04/2020] : Ok.. Hmmm.. Thanks for the idea. Take the coffeeshop name.
[3:39 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Good idea.
XaniceAfcai
[3:50 pm, 26/04/2020] : Submitted alr. Hope some ppls will come n check them...
[3:51 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Your job is done.
Now leave it to the authority to check.
XaniceAfcai
[3:53 pm, 26/04/2020] : Oneservice app is 👍. I have reported 4 cases these 2 wk. Construction site opp my hse, accumulated water, muddy water flow out after heavy rain, dead bird at mailbox areas, pool of cig n beer cans at staircase landing...
At least now I dun need to send email to town council every time...
[3:54 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ha ha ha.
Certainly keeping the authority busy...
XaniceAfcai
[3:37 pm, 26/04/2020] : What abt sch? In fact the student desk are alr seated at a distance now. But sch must plan how to safe distancing during recess n PE lesson.
Ben
[3:39 pm, 26/04/2020] : Keep classes together, do not allow mixing of classes. At recess each class takes turns to get snack and returns to the classroom.
[3:39 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
School must take precautions and CCA must still be suspended until vaccines are found.
[4:37 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Animal kingdom now rule human races as virus kingdom rein supreme.
风水轮流转。
Rama
[4:37 pm, 26/04/2020] : Yes
[4:42 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Human supremacy in technology, science, AI now cannot defeat a virus invisible to human eyes.
When human make animals slave and destroy their habitat as well as slaughter their meat for food.
Now virus avenge and regain animal kingdom supremacy by keeping human at home and destroy human cells.
Certainly what comes around goes around.
Ben
[5:00 pm, 26/04/2020] : That is a conspiracy theory that implies the virus has intelligence and is in collaboration with animals (who also get the virus)
[4:55 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://youtu.be/7xv_VLqneV0
[4:55 pm, 26/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Good invention as it helps to save more lives that account for Singapore lower death rate due to better detection and earlier medical intervention.
Sunday, April 26, 2020
Saturday, April 25, 2020
REACH - 61. Concern with unlink cases and how to show gratitude to frontliners and migrant workers (SK)
25 Apr 2020 (12.30pm - 8.30pm)
REACH
[9:30 am, 25/04/2020] : 9 in 10 coronavirus patients in Singapore housed in isolation facilities
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/9-in-10-coronavirus-patients-housed-in-isolation-facilities?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%209%3A04%3A46
[10:34 am, 25/04/2020] +65 8637 2164: COVID-19: Support staff at Singapore hospitals work quietly behind the scenes
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-tan-tock-seng-staff-porters-housekeepers-12651204
[10:50 am, 25/04/2020] : Minister Chan Chun Sing: Even as we applaud our public officers for their hard work as enforcement officers, Safe Distancing and SG Clean ambassadors, we also thank their families for giving them their support to shoulder on.
Just like their families, they make us proud to be in the Public Service.
Let’s hear from their little ones...CCS
#onepublicservice
https://www.facebook.com/175816112470380/posts/3134724399912855/?vh=e&d=n
[11:08 am, 25/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 25 Apr]
COVID-19: Bringing down local transmission decisively
↘️ No. of community cases has gone down since the circuit breaker started
- Result of our collective efforts
- A further push is needed to bring daily new cases to single digits
➡ No. of unlinked cases still has not gone down
- Suggests a pool of undetected cases in the community
Best way to bring numbers down is to have everyone stay home
- This will require discipline and social responsibility
Our healthcare workers have been working hard to treat COVID-19 patients.
Let us help them by staying home 💪
Together, we can overcome
go.gov.sg/lw-24apr
[12:20 pm, 25/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! ☺️
⏰ Our chat will be open from 12:30pm to 8:30pm today.
🗒 REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
The topic will be posted shortly.
- Megan
[12:29 pm, 25/04/2020] : ⏰ Our chat will be open till 8:30pm today ⏰
📢 Topic 📢
During these challenging times, a little kindness can go a long way. What can we do daily to show our gratitude towards our frontliners, essential workers and migrant workers?
🌻 Let’s spread some positivity today! 🌻
#SGUnited #SGTogether
👉 https://www.todayonline.com/big-read/big-read-untold-sacrifices-frontline-healthcare-workers-they-soldier-against-covid-19
👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-tan-tock-seng-staff-porters-housekeepers-12651204
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[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
With reference to REACH comments :-
COVID-19: Bringing down local transmission decisively
↘️ No. of community cases has gone down since the circuit breaker started
- Result of our collective efforts
- A further push is needed to bring daily new cases to single digits
➡ No. of unlinked cases still has not gone down
- Suggests a pool of undetected cases in the community
Best way to bring numbers down is to have everyone stay home
- This will require discipline and social responsibility
Our healthcare workers have been working hard to treat COVID-19 patients.
And With reference to the bloomberg news article :-
Singapore ponders mass testing as virus outbreak balloons
Bloomberg Bloomberg April 24, 2020
https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/singapore-ponders-mass-testing-as-virus-outbreak-balloons-061117707.html
As well as UK news articles :-
Britain nears grim milestone of 20,000 coronavirus hospital deaths
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/britain-nears-grim-milestone-of-20-000-coronavirus-hospital-12675638
My close friend comments :-
(1) UK targets to do 100000 tests per day.
(2) What it means is that the longer we delay aggressive testing the more we have to do to catch up because the silent spread is exponential on a daily basis.
(3) In mar south Korea started aggressive testing on a scale of 10000 per day. Our DMS on the contrary said yield little result.
(4) But every asymptomatic case that slip by can turn into a thousand cases in 10days. When it quietly spread until beyond control, we are finished.
(5) Really hope sg is doing aggressive testing.
My comments :-
(1) Yes. Your suggestion of aggressive testing is the right strategy to weed out the unlink cases in Singapore - which remain a stealth reservoir in the Community that are stealthly and silently infecting unsuspecting people in the Community.
My close friend response :-
(1) It's about maximising outcomes, minimising disasters. unless we are poor and cannot afford it. Economic shut costs much much more.
My comments :-
(1) Aggressive testings is the right approach, but to test all 5.6 million residents in Singapore at one go - is a very challenging and daunting tasks.
(2) Thus we need to priorities our testing, I suggest that :-
a. Batch 1 - Dorms for foreign workers are now undergoing aggressive testing. Majority of the infected people have been identified.
b. Batch 2 - Foreign workers outside the dorms are undergoing tests now concurrently - and this form the 2nd largest group after the dorms reported every day.
c. Batch 3 --- Note :- the community local transmission and the unlink cases that are reported everyday --- are coming from this group.
But this group are all the residents in Singapore - citizens, PRs, Long Term Pass Holders. --- which form about 3 to 4 million people.
To conduct aggressive testings to this large pool of people to weed out the 30 to 20 over cases --- will be a challenge.
So I suggest we do the following :-
(i) Batch 3a - Test all essential workers that are working now - as some unlink cases come from this batch - about 300,000 workers.
Batch 3b - Test all nursing homes - where some unlink cases - have been uncovered through this batch - number unknown - but not a big number, I guess.
Batch 3c - Test all pre-school students and staff who will be attending pre-school once circuit breaker ends - as some cases also come from this batch - number unknown --- but i guess quite a big number.
Batch 3d - Test all workers that will be going to work for non-essential services when circuit breakers end - as few cases are reported from this group - a big number - potentially about 1 to 2 million workers?
Batch 3e - Test all school going children eg. primary, secondary, JCs, IHLs - that need to go to schools and pose a risk of cross infection - before circuit breaker ends - potentially about 1 to 2 million students?
(ii) Note :- by testing all the Batch 3a to 3e ---- if there is any discovered cases --- their family members or those living with them or come into with them will be tested --- and these will have weed out the unlink cases.
(iii) Can we take the risk of not testing all those staying at home --- yes i think we can --- because if the above batches are tested - with no infection - very likely that those stay at home are not infected.
(iv) If anyone of the tested batchs have people infected, then likely that those stay with them will be infected - and this stay at home can be tested.
(v) Believe in this way --- we have a systematic aggressive way of testings to weed out all the unlink cases in the Community.
[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Only 7 SC/PR and dorm numbers coming down.
Circuit breaker measures working well.
[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We put a caveat to the systematic testing.
If the community spreading and local transmission consistently drop into single digits to zero, then we suggest not begin with the systematic testing - as the Stay at Home and social distancing have shown 100% effective and can dispense with aggressive testing.
However, suggest that we should continue testing for those who are in dorm as well as those foreign workers who are not in dorm as they are still many reported cases.
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[5:05 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Straits Times
25 Apr 2020
Singapore has changed the dynamics of its care of Covid-19 patients by treating nine in 10 of them in community facilities instead of acute hospitals.
The move not only differentiates those with mild illnesses from others with life-threatening conditions, but also saves the hospitals from being deluged.
Community facilities now house 9,878 patients - out of the 11,107 current patients. This means just 1,229 patients are still warded in acute hospitals, including 24 in critical condition.
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[7:32 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Analysis of our current covid situation :-
(1) Today though reported 897 cases - the infection numbers are coming down.
(2) 13 cases are local transmission - the lowest recorded compared to few days ago.
(3) So indeed the circuit breaker measures are reaping positive outcome - as we can see that local transmission are coming down based on the past few days numbers.
(4) The dorm figures are also coming down from thousands to a couple of hundred with aggressive testings.
(5) Notice that 8874 have been moved from hospitals to isolation houses and only 1368 need to be in hospital.
(6) This indicates that 8874 are mild cases - that do not need active medicinal intervention and can recover by themselves.
(7) Only 1368 need medical attention while 25 need ventilators support.
(8) So all these are encouraging signs - that we are slowly turning our tide and fight against the covid virus.
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[6:39 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend contribution :-
Pleased to see that community cases are dropping. The next step is enlarged the test criteria for the community to institute testing for
(1) those under quarantined/SHN before lifting their movement restrictions. When the community cases start to clear up, there is no reason to release those close contacts without testing them.
(2) occupationally higher-risk groups should be tested once they showed symptoms e.g. Public facing personnel, healthcare support workers etc
The foreign workers new cases appear to be sliding but the absolute number is still high means infection rate potentially still very fast. There will be some way to go before we see lower numbers. Once the symptomatic workers are segregated, we can practise random testing supposedly healthy group to check on the infection rate. E.g.. Sample x number of workers everyday picking from different floors and different blocks to monitor the infection level.
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Ron Ho
[7:03 pm, 25/04/2020] : Reach, it is quite unfortunate Minister of Manpower failed to understand or refuse to appreciate the frustrations of the employers. Two key issues. First the constant changing of the goalposts by the Task Force (example is the use of masks) frustrated many. The decisions should have been tight and severe and done once. Second, the little time given to the contractors who had little leeway to find food in a hurry. It was unfair to the contractors. Just because the Task Force realized to late, they just jammed the emergency brake. Frankly, worse of all, the Ministers in the Task Force did not apologise for their shortcomings and failure to foresee some of the occurrences. More reactions rather than pro- actions. These are my frank views of the situation.
[7:16 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Actually WHO medical experts sabo our Government who undertake an evidence based approach to tackle this virus pandemic - when clearly those medical experts still did not get the full picture of how this virus infect human.
[7:17 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And of course the worldwide shortage of face masks exacerbated the whole situation.
[7:23 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
No government in the world can claim they do well in this virus pandemic - not China, not US, not Japan, not SKorea, not even Taiwan when their warships saga penetrated.
So I suggest not to blame and point fingers in the midst of a prolong battle with a stealth and difficult to defeat enemy but keep providing good workable suggestions.
It is easy for those critics especially oppositions to sit behind a pc to start shooting because they don't need to fight the battle but just need to find fault.
[7:28 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We may not win all the battles.
We only need to win the war.
Rama
[7:29 pm, 25/04/2020] : Tactically
[7:30 pm, 25/04/2020] : Tactfully *
XaniceAfcai
[7:30 pm, 25/04/2020] : Still need to take precaution.
Now the issue is when sch reopen, wondering if student still need to wear mask to sch.
[7:31 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And winning the war include not only against the virus, it also includes the Economy, the survival of the business, every ones job.
[7:33 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Can the oppositions do better?
Other than criticizing and finding faults?
Ron Ho
[7:33 pm, 25/04/2020] : It is only right to point out our own weaknesses, shortcomings, and lack of competence. There is nothing political in criticisms. We are apolitical. But it is better to eat humble pie and improve. I have praises too but I have criticisms also. The inaction to edict wearing of masks for all was 3 weeks too late and this has cost much infection to go around. People do not know or see but asymptomatic cases have been reported for last two months except we did not take it seriously.
[7:35 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I think the government did.
They issue reusable face masks in double quick times.
We are talking about millions of Face masks.
Ron Ho
[7:35 pm, 25/04/2020] : Your defence is quite indefensible as our leaders have brains to analyse. No point in pursuing this line of defence.
[7:38 pm, 25/04/2020] : Again, don't defend. There is nothing to say govt must provide masks. Don't treat people like children. Just say the right thing like 'wear masks' and people will find way to make or get mask. I have said this before and I am saying it again.
[7:38 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I don't cry over spill milk.
I look forward and do better.
I am also not good in finding faults because I find that it is not helpful except it demoralise the generals and those in the front lines battling the enemies.
Ron Ho
[7:39 pm, 25/04/2020] : Don't start politicising. I am not criticising for politics.
[7:41 pm, 25/04/2020] : Neither am I into over praising as people get swollen headed and don't do their jobs.
[7:41 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And I am not defending what is wrong but have been rectified.
Why needs to keep harping on the past when rectification has already been made?
Ron Ho
[7:42 pm, 25/04/2020] : Nothing is past till virus is gone.
[7:42 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And can anyone stand out and say they have makes no mistake in their entire life?
Elena Woo
[7:43 pm, 25/04/2020] : Agree. We just need to move forward to rectify it.
REACH
[7:45 pm, 25/04/2020] : 🎵Sing Together Singapore! is about to begin 🎤
📺 In 10 minutes, tune into any local television channel, radio channel or Gov.sg to show our appreciation to our frontline workers, migrant workers and to all of you staying at home by singing along to “Home”! 👏🏼
#singtogetherSG #SingaporeTogether #stayhomeforSG 🇸🇬
👉 https://www.facebook.com/109555293685/posts/10158325525848686/
Anne
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : WHO has lost its credibility (actually they lost it long ago), hope our G in future no longer blindly follow and quote these ‘experts’.
WHO under fire: A timeline of the global body's response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/who-under-fire-a-timeline-of-the-global-bodys-response-to-the-coronavirus?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%2019%3A04%3A06
REACH
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : Sing along to Home on Saturday to thank front-line, migrant workers:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sing-along-to-home-tomorrow-to-thank-front-line-migrant-workers?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%2019%3A04%3A25
Elena Woo
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : The govt is already doing their best within their means and trying to maintain a balance between from going overboard, sane and protecting and mitigating, and I believe they try to do on the basis of International Expert Advisories such as WHO. Unfortunately no one can foresee the future for loopholes entirely. The fw episode is one of those that creeped in somehow.
[7:48 pm, 25/04/2020] : At least our govt when detects an issue, tries to resolve it as much as possible, not like some country president who is still in denial and shifting blame and still not rectifying and doing anything.
Anne
[7:57 pm, 25/04/2020] : The problem is sometimes we put too much trust in these ‘international experts’. We quote them and just assume they are always right, because of their ‘science’. We assume they ‘know’ more than most mortals and most of us never question them. We also assume they always tell us the truth when in fact there are times when they intentionally lie. I wonder who are the people who are really controlling these ‘international’ bodies like WHO, IPCC, IMF, BIS, etc.
Elena Woo
[7:59 pm, 25/04/2020] : That is true. But if we cannot even trust "experts", then we cannot even trust the normal doctors. If we can trust no one, then who are we to say what is right as we are not even "experts"?
Anne
[8:04 pm, 25/04/2020] : You are right. We cannot totally trust, not even our normal doctors. There was once when I consulted not 1, but 4 dentists, to assess my oral condition. And by doing so I got a better picture of my situation. One dentist was out to ‘scam’, another dentist claimed a procedure could not be done but actually it could (as of now it’s already done). So that’s why we cannot totally trust any one expert but have to do some critical thinking and maybe consult more experts, in maybe more than 1 field, to decide on the most optimal course of action.
Ron Ho
[8:01 pm, 25/04/2020] : Please don't generalise. I have been very specific. And please don't defend what should not be defended. I have said my piece. You have said yours. I want the Task Force to know many in the public are unhappy. I get more feedback outside this chat which I have funneled to Reach separately. So please stop defending.
[8:06 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I am not defending.
I am saying don't demoralise by keep harping on issue that have been rectified.
We need to move on to fight the virus but not attacking those who are still battling.
Unless you have ideas to contribute.
In a battle no one is happy as every one need to sacrifice.
Patrick Loke
冷静
Ron Ho
[8:11 pm, 25/04/2020] : I have sent many proposals through REACH directly. I don't use G2 chat for that. Don't worry Danny. I am for fighting the virus and for supporting our front line. But when decisions are not made when they should be made, and when I sense lack of aggressive direction, I do not shrike my duty as a citizen to say so. And I pull no punches. I am not flowery type. Let's stop at this as it is not productive.
[8:12 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ok we will stop at this.
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25 Apr 2020 (12.30pm - 8.30pm)
REACH
[9:30 am, 25/04/2020] : 9 in 10 coronavirus patients in Singapore housed in isolation facilities
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/9-in-10-coronavirus-patients-housed-in-isolation-facilities?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%209%3A04%3A46
[10:34 am, 25/04/2020] +65 8637 2164: COVID-19: Support staff at Singapore hospitals work quietly behind the scenes
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-tan-tock-seng-staff-porters-housekeepers-12651204
[10:50 am, 25/04/2020] : Minister Chan Chun Sing: Even as we applaud our public officers for their hard work as enforcement officers, Safe Distancing and SG Clean ambassadors, we also thank their families for giving them their support to shoulder on.
Just like their families, they make us proud to be in the Public Service.
Let’s hear from their little ones...CCS
#onepublicservice
https://www.facebook.com/175816112470380/posts/3134724399912855/?vh=e&d=n
[11:08 am, 25/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg - 25 Apr]
COVID-19: Bringing down local transmission decisively
↘️ No. of community cases has gone down since the circuit breaker started
- Result of our collective efforts
- A further push is needed to bring daily new cases to single digits
➡ No. of unlinked cases still has not gone down
- Suggests a pool of undetected cases in the community
Best way to bring numbers down is to have everyone stay home
- This will require discipline and social responsibility
Our healthcare workers have been working hard to treat COVID-19 patients.
Let us help them by staying home 💪
Together, we can overcome
go.gov.sg/lw-24apr
[12:20 pm, 25/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! ☺️
⏰ Our chat will be open from 12:30pm to 8:30pm today.
🗒 REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
The topic will be posted shortly.
- Megan
[12:29 pm, 25/04/2020] : ⏰ Our chat will be open till 8:30pm today ⏰
📢 Topic 📢
During these challenging times, a little kindness can go a long way. What can we do daily to show our gratitude towards our frontliners, essential workers and migrant workers?
🌻 Let’s spread some positivity today! 🌻
#SGUnited #SGTogether
👉 https://www.todayonline.com/big-read/big-read-untold-sacrifices-frontline-healthcare-workers-they-soldier-against-covid-19
👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-tan-tock-seng-staff-porters-housekeepers-12651204
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[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
With reference to REACH comments :-
COVID-19: Bringing down local transmission decisively
↘️ No. of community cases has gone down since the circuit breaker started
- Result of our collective efforts
- A further push is needed to bring daily new cases to single digits
➡ No. of unlinked cases still has not gone down
- Suggests a pool of undetected cases in the community
Best way to bring numbers down is to have everyone stay home
- This will require discipline and social responsibility
Our healthcare workers have been working hard to treat COVID-19 patients.
And With reference to the bloomberg news article :-
Singapore ponders mass testing as virus outbreak balloons
Bloomberg Bloomberg April 24, 2020
https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/singapore-ponders-mass-testing-as-virus-outbreak-balloons-061117707.html
As well as UK news articles :-
Britain nears grim milestone of 20,000 coronavirus hospital deaths
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/britain-nears-grim-milestone-of-20-000-coronavirus-hospital-12675638
My close friend comments :-
(1) UK targets to do 100000 tests per day.
(2) What it means is that the longer we delay aggressive testing the more we have to do to catch up because the silent spread is exponential on a daily basis.
(3) In mar south Korea started aggressive testing on a scale of 10000 per day. Our DMS on the contrary said yield little result.
(4) But every asymptomatic case that slip by can turn into a thousand cases in 10days. When it quietly spread until beyond control, we are finished.
(5) Really hope sg is doing aggressive testing.
My comments :-
(1) Yes. Your suggestion of aggressive testing is the right strategy to weed out the unlink cases in Singapore - which remain a stealth reservoir in the Community that are stealthly and silently infecting unsuspecting people in the Community.
My close friend response :-
(1) It's about maximising outcomes, minimising disasters. unless we are poor and cannot afford it. Economic shut costs much much more.
My comments :-
(1) Aggressive testings is the right approach, but to test all 5.6 million residents in Singapore at one go - is a very challenging and daunting tasks.
(2) Thus we need to priorities our testing, I suggest that :-
a. Batch 1 - Dorms for foreign workers are now undergoing aggressive testing. Majority of the infected people have been identified.
b. Batch 2 - Foreign workers outside the dorms are undergoing tests now concurrently - and this form the 2nd largest group after the dorms reported every day.
c. Batch 3 --- Note :- the community local transmission and the unlink cases that are reported everyday --- are coming from this group.
But this group are all the residents in Singapore - citizens, PRs, Long Term Pass Holders. --- which form about 3 to 4 million people.
To conduct aggressive testings to this large pool of people to weed out the 30 to 20 over cases --- will be a challenge.
So I suggest we do the following :-
(i) Batch 3a - Test all essential workers that are working now - as some unlink cases come from this batch - about 300,000 workers.
Batch 3b - Test all nursing homes - where some unlink cases - have been uncovered through this batch - number unknown - but not a big number, I guess.
Batch 3c - Test all pre-school students and staff who will be attending pre-school once circuit breaker ends - as some cases also come from this batch - number unknown --- but i guess quite a big number.
Batch 3d - Test all workers that will be going to work for non-essential services when circuit breakers end - as few cases are reported from this group - a big number - potentially about 1 to 2 million workers?
Batch 3e - Test all school going children eg. primary, secondary, JCs, IHLs - that need to go to schools and pose a risk of cross infection - before circuit breaker ends - potentially about 1 to 2 million students?
(ii) Note :- by testing all the Batch 3a to 3e ---- if there is any discovered cases --- their family members or those living with them or come into with them will be tested --- and these will have weed out the unlink cases.
(iii) Can we take the risk of not testing all those staying at home --- yes i think we can --- because if the above batches are tested - with no infection - very likely that those stay at home are not infected.
(iv) If anyone of the tested batchs have people infected, then likely that those stay with them will be infected - and this stay at home can be tested.
(v) Believe in this way --- we have a systematic aggressive way of testings to weed out all the unlink cases in the Community.
[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Only 7 SC/PR and dorm numbers coming down.
Circuit breaker measures working well.
[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We put a caveat to the systematic testing.
If the community spreading and local transmission consistently drop into single digits to zero, then we suggest not begin with the systematic testing - as the Stay at Home and social distancing have shown 100% effective and can dispense with aggressive testing.
However, suggest that we should continue testing for those who are in dorm as well as those foreign workers who are not in dorm as they are still many reported cases.
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[5:05 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Straits Times
25 Apr 2020
Singapore has changed the dynamics of its care of Covid-19 patients by treating nine in 10 of them in community facilities instead of acute hospitals.
The move not only differentiates those with mild illnesses from others with life-threatening conditions, but also saves the hospitals from being deluged.
Community facilities now house 9,878 patients - out of the 11,107 current patients. This means just 1,229 patients are still warded in acute hospitals, including 24 in critical condition.
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[7:32 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Analysis of our current covid situation :-
(1) Today though reported 897 cases - the infection numbers are coming down.
(2) 13 cases are local transmission - the lowest recorded compared to few days ago.
(3) So indeed the circuit breaker measures are reaping positive outcome - as we can see that local transmission are coming down based on the past few days numbers.
(4) The dorm figures are also coming down from thousands to a couple of hundred with aggressive testings.
(5) Notice that 8874 have been moved from hospitals to isolation houses and only 1368 need to be in hospital.
(6) This indicates that 8874 are mild cases - that do not need active medicinal intervention and can recover by themselves.
(7) Only 1368 need medical attention while 25 need ventilators support.
(8) So all these are encouraging signs - that we are slowly turning our tide and fight against the covid virus.
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[6:39 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend contribution :-
Pleased to see that community cases are dropping. The next step is enlarged the test criteria for the community to institute testing for
(1) those under quarantined/SHN before lifting their movement restrictions. When the community cases start to clear up, there is no reason to release those close contacts without testing them.
(2) occupationally higher-risk groups should be tested once they showed symptoms e.g. Public facing personnel, healthcare support workers etc
The foreign workers new cases appear to be sliding but the absolute number is still high means infection rate potentially still very fast. There will be some way to go before we see lower numbers. Once the symptomatic workers are segregated, we can practise random testing supposedly healthy group to check on the infection rate. E.g.. Sample x number of workers everyday picking from different floors and different blocks to monitor the infection level.
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Ron Ho
[7:03 pm, 25/04/2020] : Reach, it is quite unfortunate Minister of Manpower failed to understand or refuse to appreciate the frustrations of the employers. Two key issues. First the constant changing of the goalposts by the Task Force (example is the use of masks) frustrated many. The decisions should have been tight and severe and done once. Second, the little time given to the contractors who had little leeway to find food in a hurry. It was unfair to the contractors. Just because the Task Force realized to late, they just jammed the emergency brake. Frankly, worse of all, the Ministers in the Task Force did not apologise for their shortcomings and failure to foresee some of the occurrences. More reactions rather than pro- actions. These are my frank views of the situation.
[7:16 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Actually WHO medical experts sabo our Government who undertake an evidence based approach to tackle this virus pandemic - when clearly those medical experts still did not get the full picture of how this virus infect human.
[7:17 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And of course the worldwide shortage of face masks exacerbated the whole situation.
[7:23 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
No government in the world can claim they do well in this virus pandemic - not China, not US, not Japan, not SKorea, not even Taiwan when their warships saga penetrated.
So I suggest not to blame and point fingers in the midst of a prolong battle with a stealth and difficult to defeat enemy but keep providing good workable suggestions.
It is easy for those critics especially oppositions to sit behind a pc to start shooting because they don't need to fight the battle but just need to find fault.
[7:28 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We may not win all the battles.
We only need to win the war.
Rama
[7:29 pm, 25/04/2020] : Tactically
[7:30 pm, 25/04/2020] : Tactfully *
XaniceAfcai
[7:30 pm, 25/04/2020] : Still need to take precaution.
Now the issue is when sch reopen, wondering if student still need to wear mask to sch.
[7:31 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And winning the war include not only against the virus, it also includes the Economy, the survival of the business, every ones job.
[7:33 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Can the oppositions do better?
Other than criticizing and finding faults?
Ron Ho
[7:33 pm, 25/04/2020] : It is only right to point out our own weaknesses, shortcomings, and lack of competence. There is nothing political in criticisms. We are apolitical. But it is better to eat humble pie and improve. I have praises too but I have criticisms also. The inaction to edict wearing of masks for all was 3 weeks too late and this has cost much infection to go around. People do not know or see but asymptomatic cases have been reported for last two months except we did not take it seriously.
[7:35 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I think the government did.
They issue reusable face masks in double quick times.
We are talking about millions of Face masks.
Ron Ho
[7:35 pm, 25/04/2020] : Your defence is quite indefensible as our leaders have brains to analyse. No point in pursuing this line of defence.
[7:38 pm, 25/04/2020] : Again, don't defend. There is nothing to say govt must provide masks. Don't treat people like children. Just say the right thing like 'wear masks' and people will find way to make or get mask. I have said this before and I am saying it again.
[7:38 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I don't cry over spill milk.
I look forward and do better.
I am also not good in finding faults because I find that it is not helpful except it demoralise the generals and those in the front lines battling the enemies.
Ron Ho
[7:39 pm, 25/04/2020] : Don't start politicising. I am not criticising for politics.
[7:41 pm, 25/04/2020] : Neither am I into over praising as people get swollen headed and don't do their jobs.
[7:41 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And I am not defending what is wrong but have been rectified.
Why needs to keep harping on the past when rectification has already been made?
Ron Ho
[7:42 pm, 25/04/2020] : Nothing is past till virus is gone.
[7:42 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And can anyone stand out and say they have makes no mistake in their entire life?
Elena Woo
[7:43 pm, 25/04/2020] : Agree. We just need to move forward to rectify it.
REACH
[7:45 pm, 25/04/2020] : 🎵Sing Together Singapore! is about to begin 🎤
📺 In 10 minutes, tune into any local television channel, radio channel or Gov.sg to show our appreciation to our frontline workers, migrant workers and to all of you staying at home by singing along to “Home”! 👏🏼
#singtogetherSG #SingaporeTogether #stayhomeforSG 🇸🇬
👉 https://www.facebook.com/109555293685/posts/10158325525848686/
Anne
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : WHO has lost its credibility (actually they lost it long ago), hope our G in future no longer blindly follow and quote these ‘experts’.
WHO under fire: A timeline of the global body's response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/who-under-fire-a-timeline-of-the-global-bodys-response-to-the-coronavirus?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%2019%3A04%3A06
REACH
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : Sing along to Home on Saturday to thank front-line, migrant workers:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sing-along-to-home-tomorrow-to-thank-front-line-migrant-workers?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-25%2019%3A04%3A25
Elena Woo
[7:46 pm, 25/04/2020] : The govt is already doing their best within their means and trying to maintain a balance between from going overboard, sane and protecting and mitigating, and I believe they try to do on the basis of International Expert Advisories such as WHO. Unfortunately no one can foresee the future for loopholes entirely. The fw episode is one of those that creeped in somehow.
[7:48 pm, 25/04/2020] : At least our govt when detects an issue, tries to resolve it as much as possible, not like some country president who is still in denial and shifting blame and still not rectifying and doing anything.
Anne
[7:57 pm, 25/04/2020] : The problem is sometimes we put too much trust in these ‘international experts’. We quote them and just assume they are always right, because of their ‘science’. We assume they ‘know’ more than most mortals and most of us never question them. We also assume they always tell us the truth when in fact there are times when they intentionally lie. I wonder who are the people who are really controlling these ‘international’ bodies like WHO, IPCC, IMF, BIS, etc.
Elena Woo
[7:59 pm, 25/04/2020] : That is true. But if we cannot even trust "experts", then we cannot even trust the normal doctors. If we can trust no one, then who are we to say what is right as we are not even "experts"?
Anne
[8:04 pm, 25/04/2020] : You are right. We cannot totally trust, not even our normal doctors. There was once when I consulted not 1, but 4 dentists, to assess my oral condition. And by doing so I got a better picture of my situation. One dentist was out to ‘scam’, another dentist claimed a procedure could not be done but actually it could (as of now it’s already done). So that’s why we cannot totally trust any one expert but have to do some critical thinking and maybe consult more experts, in maybe more than 1 field, to decide on the most optimal course of action.
Ron Ho
[8:01 pm, 25/04/2020] : Please don't generalise. I have been very specific. And please don't defend what should not be defended. I have said my piece. You have said yours. I want the Task Force to know many in the public are unhappy. I get more feedback outside this chat which I have funneled to Reach separately. So please stop defending.
[8:06 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I am not defending.
I am saying don't demoralise by keep harping on issue that have been rectified.
We need to move on to fight the virus but not attacking those who are still battling.
Unless you have ideas to contribute.
In a battle no one is happy as every one need to sacrifice.
Patrick Loke
Ron Ho
[8:11 pm, 25/04/2020] : I have sent many proposals through REACH directly. I don't use G2 chat for that. Don't worry Danny. I am for fighting the virus and for supporting our front line. But when decisions are not made when they should be made, and when I sense lack of aggressive direction, I do not shrike my duty as a citizen to say so. And I pull no punches. I am not flowery type. Let's stop at this as it is not productive.
[8:12 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ok we will stop at this.
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Thursday, April 23, 2020
REACH - 60. What other ways to persuade people to observe circuit breakers without resorting to jail or fine (SK)
22 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[11:59 am, 24/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Wishing our Muslim friends a blessed Ramadan. Our chat will be open from 12pm to 10pm today.
REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
[12:00 pm, 24/04/2020] : From MOH on 23 Apr:
“The number of new cases in the community has decreased, from an average of 34 cases per day in the week before, to an average of 25 per day in the past week. The number of unlinked cases in the community has decreased slightly, from an average of 20 cases per day in the week before, to an average of 18 per day in the past week.”
Read more: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/36-more-cases-discharged-1-037-new-cases-of-covid-19-infection-confirmed
📢 Topic 📢
It’s Day 18. How do you think we can encourage personal responsibility beyond harsher fines and jail terms?
#StayhomeforSG #SGUnited #SingaporeTogether
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[1:37 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
How to encourage personal responsibility beyond harsher fines or jail terms?
(1) a. Some people may think - this virus won't get me or my family - not so 衰。
b. Some people may say - I get it - my business - it is my health.
c. Some people say - I lazy to change my routine - as long as others take precaution - I go along with my normal routine I won't get it.
(2) Tha actual fact is :-
a. Virus got no eyes and don't discriminate or choose who to infect.
The moment the virus come across someone who don't protect themselves or who don't stay at home and isolate themselves from others who are infected - the virus will strike.
b. Some may think, my health is my business. My body is strong, I can withstand the virus.
But the problem is, when you get infected, you also infect your loved ones - your wife, your husband, your children, your parents, your friends, your colleagues, the community and the world.
Your responsibility is not "ONLY YOURSELF" --- but the everyone as a WHOLE.
One-For-All, All-For-One.
You have become a sinner - if you wilfully breach the circuit breaker - got yourself infected and infect others.
c.Everyone is changing their routine to make difficult adjustment - in the hope of defeating the virus or at least keep the virus at bay --- until the vaccines are found or standard treatment are developed to protect everyone.
If people cannot make sacrifice by making adjustment - to jointly defeat the virus --- then we fail ourselves and fail the country as a whole - as billions of reserves are used to tackle the virus, make everyone safe ---- while many sacrifices their business, job, salary and personal freedom to make the circuit breaker works.
A small sacrifice on our end - is it too much to ask?
3. When a person are infected with the covid-19 virus - what a long term effect a person will have to suffer :-
a. lose the taste - as the taste cell is damaged.
b. lose the cell that protected the lungs - as the lung lining cell is damaged.
c. risk their own lives - as cells that help the lungs breathe are damaged.
d. daamage the red blood cells - by causing blood clot - as the virus damage the red blood cells.
e. confused the white blood cells - and cause the white blood cells to misbehave
and many other damages to the body organ and system.
4. So why people don't make some sacrifice to protect themselves and their family and the community - by observing the circuit breakers --- instead of wilfully break the circuit breaker --- and cause the above trouble that can be avoided?
[2:49 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: See how Indian police handle the ‘heroes’ who refused to use masks. The police put them in the ambulance with a mock up patient who disguise of having COVID19 virus. And see what happens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
[2:49 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: In Indonesia, those who broke social distancing law are rounded up and put to stay in haunted house.
[3:06 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If we don't observe the circuit breaker measures conscientiously, the attached parrot messages will be our consequences:-
[5:29 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: CNA report remdesvir trial drugs fail in human treatment.
[6:25 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My comments :-
Notice that :-
Hospital 1368.
In isolation 8874.
Most have move out from hospital to isolation facilities.
I think those who move to the isolation facilities are mild cases and need little treatment or medication that can recover by themselves.
The 1368 probably need medication like cough medicine, running nose etc.
Only 25 need special cases and ventilators.
My close friend comments:-
What was the hospital number the day before?
I suspect gov needs to acquire/set up more isolation facilities
My comments :-
Oh very big 4000 plus close to 5000.
Now Singapore is building a 15000 beds in tanjong pagar terminal to use as isolation for those mild cases that doesn't need medical care.
Ship berth terminal at tanjong pagar have move to Tuas megaport liao.
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Timothy Low
[12:10 pm, 24/04/2020] : Sorry this article is in Chinese, but it’s a very good analysis on our current situation written by a Malaysia newspaper editor: https://www.sinchew.com.my/pad/con/content_2259421.html
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My comments :-
(1) No one is perfect, yes we can do better on hindsight.
(2) Even Saints make mistake.
(3) As long as we understand our shortcomings, we can improve. There are no losing of face as long as we can recover from lost ground.
My close friend comments :-
We should correct those who spread incorrect information. But be wise in putting efforts in defending opinions.
The war is not over or worse far from over. Focus on the desired outcomes : -
(1) are the infected able to receive appropriate treatment? Answer YES
(2) are other patients able to receive appropriate treatments. They are not denied of their treatments. Answer YES
(3) is the covid death rate amongst the lowest in the world? Answer YES
(4) Any social unrest? Answer NO
(5) Any political crisis? Answer NO
(6) is our recession one of the shortest and least painful around the world? Answer YES
(7) when we rebound, can we maintain and continue to clinch the top spots in world rankings? Answer YES
Then the rest is legendary - get media to write good stories for singapore and it will remain in wiki pedia for very long
For now, we are skating on thin ice, many dangers and we may tip over for the worst.
We can only highlight, provide constructive ideas and let gov and partners do their jobs.
As citizens we must also do our part.
[6:45 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not true that sgp is doing badly. Malaysia has 2.2M legal FW and 3.3M illegal FW. FW find their own lodging. Not yet started aggressive testing so unknown. How many test has malaysia conducted for FW who are living in no better conditions than FW here.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/coronavirus-malaysia-frets-over-health-of-migrant-workers-in-battle-against-virus
Rama
[6:56 pm, 24/04/2020] : Agree
[7:13 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/top-epidemiologist-warns-china-to-avoid-singapores-mistakes/ar-BB137ilv?ocid=spartandhp&fbclid=IwAR2Sp-sS5si9rPsm3Qyx_jRX4Zvbcl8pDKHhCMaUUrMew1leI1GIZOs-jhQ
[7:13 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
It is always balancing the virus transmission versus the Economy.
Too obsess against the virus, our economy suffer.
Open too much for economy, virus attack us.
[7:48 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
There's alot of lessons that this virus taught us in lightning speed.
I am sure many people can learn from this extremely expensive lesson.
Not only us, but the whole world.
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REACH
[3:48 pm, 24/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 24 Apr]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 897 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Of the 897 cases, 13 are Singaporeans/PRs.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh24aprupdate
[7:32 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Analysis of our current covid situation :-
(1) Today though reported 897 cases - the infection numbers are coming down.
(2) 13 cases are local transmission - the lowest recorded compared to few days ago.
(3) So indeed the circuit breaker measures are reaping positive outcome - as we can see that local transmission are coming down based on the past few days numbers.
(4) The dorm figures are also coming down from thousands to a couple of hundred with aggressive testings.
(5) Notice that 8874 have been moved from hospitals to isolation houses and only 1368 need to be in hospital.
(6) This indicates that 8874 are mild cases - that do not need active medicinal intervention and can recover by themselves.
(7) Only 1368 need medical attention while 25 need ventilators support.
(8) So all these are encouraging signs - that we are slowly turning our tide and fight against the covid virus.
Rama
[7:34 pm, 24/04/2020] : Hope for the best for now.
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[8:08 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Crowded supermarket.
XaniceAfcai
[8:12 pm, 24/04/2020] : With cb, many people Circuit short already. many become easily agitated. Recently, there are so many commotion related case.
On the other hand, there are some people still violate safe distancing, no mask/dangling mask/no cover nose with mask, mask pull down to chin measures who generally fall into three categories - they either "don't know, don't care, or are defiant".
Young people or those hot-tempered/emotional people must realise their acts of defiance could have disastrous results.
"It (could) cause the disease to be spread among themselves or their loved ones, the consequences will be unbearable.
Hence, those group of people must monitor closely to prevent any crime or another outbreak.
Social worker or volunteer to counsel them or...
22 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[11:59 am, 24/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Wishing our Muslim friends a blessed Ramadan. Our chat will be open from 12pm to 10pm today.
REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
[12:00 pm, 24/04/2020] : From MOH on 23 Apr:
“The number of new cases in the community has decreased, from an average of 34 cases per day in the week before, to an average of 25 per day in the past week. The number of unlinked cases in the community has decreased slightly, from an average of 20 cases per day in the week before, to an average of 18 per day in the past week.”
Read more: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/36-more-cases-discharged-1-037-new-cases-of-covid-19-infection-confirmed
📢 Topic 📢
It’s Day 18. How do you think we can encourage personal responsibility beyond harsher fines and jail terms?
#StayhomeforSG #SGUnited #SingaporeTogether
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[1:37 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
How to encourage personal responsibility beyond harsher fines or jail terms?
(1) a. Some people may think - this virus won't get me or my family - not so 衰。
b. Some people may say - I get it - my business - it is my health.
c. Some people say - I lazy to change my routine - as long as others take precaution - I go along with my normal routine I won't get it.
(2) Tha actual fact is :-
a. Virus got no eyes and don't discriminate or choose who to infect.
The moment the virus come across someone who don't protect themselves or who don't stay at home and isolate themselves from others who are infected - the virus will strike.
b. Some may think, my health is my business. My body is strong, I can withstand the virus.
But the problem is, when you get infected, you also infect your loved ones - your wife, your husband, your children, your parents, your friends, your colleagues, the community and the world.
Your responsibility is not "ONLY YOURSELF" --- but the everyone as a WHOLE.
One-For-All, All-For-One.
You have become a sinner - if you wilfully breach the circuit breaker - got yourself infected and infect others.
c.Everyone is changing their routine to make difficult adjustment - in the hope of defeating the virus or at least keep the virus at bay --- until the vaccines are found or standard treatment are developed to protect everyone.
If people cannot make sacrifice by making adjustment - to jointly defeat the virus --- then we fail ourselves and fail the country as a whole - as billions of reserves are used to tackle the virus, make everyone safe ---- while many sacrifices their business, job, salary and personal freedom to make the circuit breaker works.
A small sacrifice on our end - is it too much to ask?
3. When a person are infected with the covid-19 virus - what a long term effect a person will have to suffer :-
a. lose the taste - as the taste cell is damaged.
b. lose the cell that protected the lungs - as the lung lining cell is damaged.
c. risk their own lives - as cells that help the lungs breathe are damaged.
d. daamage the red blood cells - by causing blood clot - as the virus damage the red blood cells.
e. confused the white blood cells - and cause the white blood cells to misbehave
and many other damages to the body organ and system.
4. So why people don't make some sacrifice to protect themselves and their family and the community - by observing the circuit breakers --- instead of wilfully break the circuit breaker --- and cause the above trouble that can be avoided?
[2:49 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: See how Indian police handle the ‘heroes’ who refused to use masks. The police put them in the ambulance with a mock up patient who disguise of having COVID19 virus. And see what happens 🤣🤣🤣🤣
[2:49 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: In Indonesia, those who broke social distancing law are rounded up and put to stay in haunted house.
[3:06 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If we don't observe the circuit breaker measures conscientiously, the attached parrot messages will be our consequences:-
[5:29 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: CNA report remdesvir trial drugs fail in human treatment.
My comments :-
Notice that :-
Hospital 1368.
In isolation 8874.
Most have move out from hospital to isolation facilities.
I think those who move to the isolation facilities are mild cases and need little treatment or medication that can recover by themselves.
The 1368 probably need medication like cough medicine, running nose etc.
Only 25 need special cases and ventilators.
My close friend comments:-
What was the hospital number the day before?
I suspect gov needs to acquire/set up more isolation facilities
My comments :-
Oh very big 4000 plus close to 5000.
Now Singapore is building a 15000 beds in tanjong pagar terminal to use as isolation for those mild cases that doesn't need medical care.
Ship berth terminal at tanjong pagar have move to Tuas megaport liao.
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Timothy Low
[12:10 pm, 24/04/2020] : Sorry this article is in Chinese, but it’s a very good analysis on our current situation written by a Malaysia newspaper editor: https://www.sinchew.com.my/pad/con/content_2259421.html
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My comments :-
(1) No one is perfect, yes we can do better on hindsight.
(2) Even Saints make mistake.
(3) As long as we understand our shortcomings, we can improve. There are no losing of face as long as we can recover from lost ground.
My close friend comments :-
We should correct those who spread incorrect information. But be wise in putting efforts in defending opinions.
The war is not over or worse far from over. Focus on the desired outcomes : -
(1) are the infected able to receive appropriate treatment? Answer YES
(2) are other patients able to receive appropriate treatments. They are not denied of their treatments. Answer YES
(3) is the covid death rate amongst the lowest in the world? Answer YES
(4) Any social unrest? Answer NO
(5) Any political crisis? Answer NO
(6) is our recession one of the shortest and least painful around the world? Answer YES
(7) when we rebound, can we maintain and continue to clinch the top spots in world rankings? Answer YES
Then the rest is legendary - get media to write good stories for singapore and it will remain in wiki pedia for very long
For now, we are skating on thin ice, many dangers and we may tip over for the worst.
We can only highlight, provide constructive ideas and let gov and partners do their jobs.
As citizens we must also do our part.
[6:45 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not true that sgp is doing badly. Malaysia has 2.2M legal FW and 3.3M illegal FW. FW find their own lodging. Not yet started aggressive testing so unknown. How many test has malaysia conducted for FW who are living in no better conditions than FW here.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/coronavirus-malaysia-frets-over-health-of-migrant-workers-in-battle-against-virus
Rama
[6:56 pm, 24/04/2020] : Agree
[7:13 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/top-epidemiologist-warns-china-to-avoid-singapores-mistakes/ar-BB137ilv?ocid=spartandhp&fbclid=IwAR2Sp-sS5si9rPsm3Qyx_jRX4Zvbcl8pDKHhCMaUUrMew1leI1GIZOs-jhQ
[7:13 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
It is always balancing the virus transmission versus the Economy.
Too obsess against the virus, our economy suffer.
Open too much for economy, virus attack us.
[7:48 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
There's alot of lessons that this virus taught us in lightning speed.
I am sure many people can learn from this extremely expensive lesson.
Not only us, but the whole world.
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REACH
[3:48 pm, 24/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 24 Apr]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 897 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Of the 897 cases, 13 are Singaporeans/PRs.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh24aprupdate
[7:32 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Analysis of our current covid situation :-
(1) Today though reported 897 cases - the infection numbers are coming down.
(2) 13 cases are local transmission - the lowest recorded compared to few days ago.
(3) So indeed the circuit breaker measures are reaping positive outcome - as we can see that local transmission are coming down based on the past few days numbers.
(4) The dorm figures are also coming down from thousands to a couple of hundred with aggressive testings.
(5) Notice that 8874 have been moved from hospitals to isolation houses and only 1368 need to be in hospital.
(6) This indicates that 8874 are mild cases - that do not need active medicinal intervention and can recover by themselves.
(7) Only 1368 need medical attention while 25 need ventilators support.
(8) So all these are encouraging signs - that we are slowly turning our tide and fight against the covid virus.
Rama
[7:34 pm, 24/04/2020] : Hope for the best for now.
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[8:08 pm, 24/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Crowded supermarket.
XaniceAfcai
[8:12 pm, 24/04/2020] : With cb, many people Circuit short already. many become easily agitated. Recently, there are so many commotion related case.
On the other hand, there are some people still violate safe distancing, no mask/dangling mask/no cover nose with mask, mask pull down to chin measures who generally fall into three categories - they either "don't know, don't care, or are defiant".
Young people or those hot-tempered/emotional people must realise their acts of defiance could have disastrous results.
"It (could) cause the disease to be spread among themselves or their loved ones, the consequences will be unbearable.
Hence, those group of people must monitor closely to prevent any crime or another outbreak.
Social worker or volunteer to counsel them or...
Wednesday, April 22, 2020
REACH - 59. Dorm exceed 10,000 (SK)
23 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[11:02 am, 23/04/2020] : The Circuit Breaker has been extended to June 1 with tightened measures.
For example, entry to four popular wet markets have been restricted, bubble tea shops and barbers are closed.
Environment and Water Resources Minister Masagos Zulkifli said on Facebook: "If we stay at home as much as possible, we can help bring local transmission numbers down. Then, the multi-ministry task force can ease some of the measures earlier rather than later."
What are some of the challenges you have experienced or foresee, with the tightened and extended circuit breaker measures to curb the spread of COVID-19?
👉Coronavirus cases cross 10,000; experts see tough battle ahead
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/virus-cases-cross-10000-experts-see-tough-battle-ahead
What behaviors do we need to change to defeat the virus?
👉Singapore's circuit breaker is working but not as fast as hoped: Experts
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/circuit-breaker-is-working-but-not-as-fast-as-hoped-experts
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[11:48 am, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comments :-
1 There is a much more efficient and better way to do this. China has showed the way and we shared in this forum on 3 Apr. (Understand that it will take some time to develop the apps if consider implementing this solution).
2 Gov should maintain a central database of daily declarations and basic information. Each time we need to go out, we will have to declare. Questions can be (i) recent travel history (ii) recent contact history of people infect with covid 19 or quarantined (iii) experiencing covid symptoms (iv) does your job require you to come into contact with general Public etc.
3 Each business premise should be assigned a unique QRCode. This can be derived from UENumber of that business entity.
4 every person has to install an app on our mobile phone. Make a declaration for that day in the app.
5 each time I enter a premise, I have to scan the QRCode and this will be captured as a trace that "I was there". Date and time stamped. When I leave, I scan the qrcode again date time stamped that I left. This log will be captured centrally as well as cached within the app.
6 during contact tracing, enforcement officers can send out alert that an infected person was confirmed and should I display symptoms I should go for tests.
7 example of how this is going to work during the CB. I need to buy grocery at supermarket. I make a declaration if i have not for the day.I arrive at NEX shopping, scan NEX shopping mall QRCode. Head towards NTUC fairprice, scan QRCode for ntuc fairprice (NEx). When I leave NTUc fairprice, scan to "checkout" from fair price. When I leave NEX, scan to to "checkout" from NEX.
8 this pandemic may last for much longer (could be a year). As our situation improve, more businesses premises will be included. This can include office buildings, and individual tenant offices.
9 it is not fool proof, but a relatively easy implementation.
敏恩
[11:59 am, 23/04/2020] :
Hi All,
I think there is still plenty of people still not aware that children below 2 are not require to wear mask.
My experience and challenge faced:
Yesterday, as usual, I performed my normal daily routine, sending kids to school then head over to the market to buy my breakfast. After ordering my food, I stood far away to wait for my food to be ready. And there this aunty who is working there, demanded and insisted that my baby girl needs to wear a mask. I told her that our government had actually announce that children under 2 not require to wear mask, she then continue insisting that there is shops nearby selling mask for infants, if not, to visit the Community Centre to take one which government has distributed.
How should I handle all this kind of issue? This has been bothering me and I really didn't want to visit the market anymore as is it very tedious and tiring to keep explaining over and over again and still have to handle those weird eyes/facial expression from the people giving me the benefit of doubts why am I still bringing my baby out.
[12:52 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. It's correct that under the law, 2 yrs below children do not need to wear mask in case they suffocate.
2. Having say so, the public must be concerned that will the baby contract the virus as the baby is not protected.
3. Isn't it safer to keep the baby at home and look after by a trusted person while an adult do the marketing?
敏恩
[12:54 pm, 23/04/2020] : I think I have actually explained my situation before, all my family members are working in essential service line and by 6am, the whole house will left my 3 kids and me only.
[1:00 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Can you go marketing after they come back from work?
Some NTUC operates 24 hours a day.
[1:03 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
In this difficult time, there is a need to do some adjustment no matter how difficult it is.
It is your baby's health as well as your whole family health.
All is needed is one lapse and everyone get it.
Valli
[1:11 pm, 23/04/2020] : Agree
敏恩
[1:12 pm, 23/04/2020] : even if i don't do marketing, i still need get my breakfast, marketing is only adhoc basis when I want to cook, cant be possibly asking me to keep ordering food to have it deliver to me right?
[1:13 pm, 23/04/2020] : and still, i will still need send my kids to school, and in this case, i have to put my girl at home alone for this period of time when I send them to school?
[1:18 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Let me put across a question to you.
(2) If unfortunate thing happen, and your baby is infected and the whole family is infected --- what will you do?
[1:19 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Virus don't show compassion to your circumstances.
When they strike, they strike - you can argue with the virus, but it will be fruitless.
[1:44 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1). Also schools are in home based learning - why need to send kids to school?
(2) If cannot buy breakfast, why can't home made spread on bread?
(3) If don't like to cook, why can't order?
(4) All this are difficult adjustment that everyone is doing and everyone is making sacrifices - we can't have the cake and eat it in this difficult times.
XaniceAfcai
[1:45 pm, 23/04/2020] : Possible to buy a wk food n store in the fridge? I also did that...
[1:48 pm, 23/04/2020] : U go market daily?
Just buy a loaf of bread but can do wonder.
1. French toast
2. Spread jam or whatever sauce
3. Toasted or pan fried bread.
For other food...
Self cooked pasta...mee... Fried roti prata bought fr ntuc etc..
[1:51 pm, 23/04/2020] : U can also cook diff variety of porridge too... For yr kids n yourself..
Dongliang
[1:57 pm, 23/04/2020] : I made French toast today, my girl likes it.
XaniceAfcai
[2:00 pm, 23/04/2020] : 2 days ago, I did that too with cheese.
Dongliang
[2:03 pm, 23/04/2020] : Good idea, I will add cheese next time.
Bobby Tan
[2:04 pm, 23/04/2020] : Maybe you can also provide how to make all these. Frankly I only know toasted bread made with Oven.
[2:14 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. For those who don't like to cook or who don't like to spend time making difficult stuff.
2. Just buy a wholemeal bread or white bread.
3. Buy chocolate spread (no need nutella - very expensive, just normal chocospread that taste like nutella chocolate cost $3.95) or buy fruit jam or kaya --- where children and adult also like.
4. Then go along with 3-in-1 coffee for adult, or milo or milk for kids.
5. A wonderful breakfast is done for everyone - less than 30 minutes --- nothing difficult - and everyone is safe - still can teach the kids how to prepare a simple breakfast for themselves - in a homely setting --- and turn on the TV or music --- to let the family enjoy a warm family.
6. Still need to go out - and endanger the young kids?
7. And everyone just need to endure this for another 6 weeks --- where hopefully the local transmission drop to zero --- a sacrifice that everyone is doing.
Dongliang
[2:15 pm, 23/04/2020] : My mum esp won't sick of eating bread. Bread can do wonder..
XaniceAfcai
[2:17 pm, 23/04/2020] : My stay home fren even decorate the bread with diff theme..
REACH
[3:15 pm, 23/04/2020] : COVID-19: Network analysis tool developed by DSTA speeds up contact tracing, helped link Mustafa Centre and dorms
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-network-analysis-tool-by-dsta-speeds-up-12669684
[3:25 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
This look like using network science and graph neural networks for contact tracing in data analytics utilising mobile data?
[3:25 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If yes, then the contact tracing is almost foolproof.
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend contribution:-
https://youtu.be/ieZhAw3wPDw
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Now robots and AI is the future.
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comment:-
Got to tackle the microdroplets floating in the enclosed space
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes the aerosols floating in the air.
Thus location tracking is very important.
Rama
[5:13 pm, 23/04/2020] : Yes
Bobby Tan
[5:17 pm, 23/04/2020] : To help to reduce the number of local transmission, I hope NEA can go around spraying disinfectant islandwide just like what other countries are doing.
[5:23 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Disinfectant the best is targeted- with location based tracking where people are found infected.
Thus mobile signal and GPS data that track infected people movement - will identified the vicinity visited and disinfectant can target this areas.
[7:00 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: This is a location based track system.
23 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[11:02 am, 23/04/2020] : The Circuit Breaker has been extended to June 1 with tightened measures.
For example, entry to four popular wet markets have been restricted, bubble tea shops and barbers are closed.
Environment and Water Resources Minister Masagos Zulkifli said on Facebook: "If we stay at home as much as possible, we can help bring local transmission numbers down. Then, the multi-ministry task force can ease some of the measures earlier rather than later."
What are some of the challenges you have experienced or foresee, with the tightened and extended circuit breaker measures to curb the spread of COVID-19?
👉Coronavirus cases cross 10,000; experts see tough battle ahead
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/virus-cases-cross-10000-experts-see-tough-battle-ahead
What behaviors do we need to change to defeat the virus?
👉Singapore's circuit breaker is working but not as fast as hoped: Experts
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/circuit-breaker-is-working-but-not-as-fast-as-hoped-experts
------
[11:48 am, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comments :-
1 There is a much more efficient and better way to do this. China has showed the way and we shared in this forum on 3 Apr. (Understand that it will take some time to develop the apps if consider implementing this solution).
2 Gov should maintain a central database of daily declarations and basic information. Each time we need to go out, we will have to declare. Questions can be (i) recent travel history (ii) recent contact history of people infect with covid 19 or quarantined (iii) experiencing covid symptoms (iv) does your job require you to come into contact with general Public etc.
3 Each business premise should be assigned a unique QRCode. This can be derived from UENumber of that business entity.
4 every person has to install an app on our mobile phone. Make a declaration for that day in the app.
5 each time I enter a premise, I have to scan the QRCode and this will be captured as a trace that "I was there". Date and time stamped. When I leave, I scan the qrcode again date time stamped that I left. This log will be captured centrally as well as cached within the app.
6 during contact tracing, enforcement officers can send out alert that an infected person was confirmed and should I display symptoms I should go for tests.
7 example of how this is going to work during the CB. I need to buy grocery at supermarket. I make a declaration if i have not for the day.I arrive at NEX shopping, scan NEX shopping mall QRCode. Head towards NTUC fairprice, scan QRCode for ntuc fairprice (NEx). When I leave NTUc fairprice, scan to "checkout" from fair price. When I leave NEX, scan to to "checkout" from NEX.
8 this pandemic may last for much longer (could be a year). As our situation improve, more businesses premises will be included. This can include office buildings, and individual tenant offices.
9 it is not fool proof, but a relatively easy implementation.
敏恩
[11:59 am, 23/04/2020] :
Hi All,
I think there is still plenty of people still not aware that children below 2 are not require to wear mask.
My experience and challenge faced:
Yesterday, as usual, I performed my normal daily routine, sending kids to school then head over to the market to buy my breakfast. After ordering my food, I stood far away to wait for my food to be ready. And there this aunty who is working there, demanded and insisted that my baby girl needs to wear a mask. I told her that our government had actually announce that children under 2 not require to wear mask, she then continue insisting that there is shops nearby selling mask for infants, if not, to visit the Community Centre to take one which government has distributed.
How should I handle all this kind of issue? This has been bothering me and I really didn't want to visit the market anymore as is it very tedious and tiring to keep explaining over and over again and still have to handle those weird eyes/facial expression from the people giving me the benefit of doubts why am I still bringing my baby out.
[12:52 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. It's correct that under the law, 2 yrs below children do not need to wear mask in case they suffocate.
2. Having say so, the public must be concerned that will the baby contract the virus as the baby is not protected.
3. Isn't it safer to keep the baby at home and look after by a trusted person while an adult do the marketing?
敏恩
[12:54 pm, 23/04/2020] : I think I have actually explained my situation before, all my family members are working in essential service line and by 6am, the whole house will left my 3 kids and me only.
[1:00 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Can you go marketing after they come back from work?
Some NTUC operates 24 hours a day.
[1:03 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
In this difficult time, there is a need to do some adjustment no matter how difficult it is.
It is your baby's health as well as your whole family health.
All is needed is one lapse and everyone get it.
Valli
[1:11 pm, 23/04/2020] : Agree
敏恩
[1:12 pm, 23/04/2020] : even if i don't do marketing, i still need get my breakfast, marketing is only adhoc basis when I want to cook, cant be possibly asking me to keep ordering food to have it deliver to me right?
[1:13 pm, 23/04/2020] : and still, i will still need send my kids to school, and in this case, i have to put my girl at home alone for this period of time when I send them to school?
[1:18 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Let me put across a question to you.
(2) If unfortunate thing happen, and your baby is infected and the whole family is infected --- what will you do?
[1:19 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Virus don't show compassion to your circumstances.
When they strike, they strike - you can argue with the virus, but it will be fruitless.
[1:44 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1). Also schools are in home based learning - why need to send kids to school?
(2) If cannot buy breakfast, why can't home made spread on bread?
(3) If don't like to cook, why can't order?
(4) All this are difficult adjustment that everyone is doing and everyone is making sacrifices - we can't have the cake and eat it in this difficult times.
XaniceAfcai
[1:45 pm, 23/04/2020] : Possible to buy a wk food n store in the fridge? I also did that...
[1:48 pm, 23/04/2020] : U go market daily?
Just buy a loaf of bread but can do wonder.
1. French toast
2. Spread jam or whatever sauce
3. Toasted or pan fried bread.
For other food...
Self cooked pasta...mee... Fried roti prata bought fr ntuc etc..
[1:51 pm, 23/04/2020] : U can also cook diff variety of porridge too... For yr kids n yourself..
Dongliang
[1:57 pm, 23/04/2020] : I made French toast today, my girl likes it.
XaniceAfcai
[2:00 pm, 23/04/2020] : 2 days ago, I did that too with cheese.
Dongliang
[2:03 pm, 23/04/2020] : Good idea, I will add cheese next time.
Bobby Tan
[2:04 pm, 23/04/2020] : Maybe you can also provide how to make all these. Frankly I only know toasted bread made with Oven.
[2:14 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. For those who don't like to cook or who don't like to spend time making difficult stuff.
2. Just buy a wholemeal bread or white bread.
3. Buy chocolate spread (no need nutella - very expensive, just normal chocospread that taste like nutella chocolate cost $3.95) or buy fruit jam or kaya --- where children and adult also like.
4. Then go along with 3-in-1 coffee for adult, or milo or milk for kids.
5. A wonderful breakfast is done for everyone - less than 30 minutes --- nothing difficult - and everyone is safe - still can teach the kids how to prepare a simple breakfast for themselves - in a homely setting --- and turn on the TV or music --- to let the family enjoy a warm family.
6. Still need to go out - and endanger the young kids?
7. And everyone just need to endure this for another 6 weeks --- where hopefully the local transmission drop to zero --- a sacrifice that everyone is doing.
Dongliang
[2:15 pm, 23/04/2020] : My mum esp won't sick of eating bread. Bread can do wonder..
XaniceAfcai
[2:17 pm, 23/04/2020] : My stay home fren even decorate the bread with diff theme..
[3:15 pm, 23/04/2020] : COVID-19: Network analysis tool developed by DSTA speeds up contact tracing, helped link Mustafa Centre and dorms
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-network-analysis-tool-by-dsta-speeds-up-12669684
[3:25 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
This look like using network science and graph neural networks for contact tracing in data analytics utilising mobile data?
[3:25 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If yes, then the contact tracing is almost foolproof.
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend contribution:-
https://youtu.be/ieZhAw3wPDw
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Now robots and AI is the future.
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comment:-
Got to tackle the microdroplets floating in the enclosed space
[5:12 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes the aerosols floating in the air.
Thus location tracking is very important.
Rama
[5:13 pm, 23/04/2020] : Yes
Bobby Tan
[5:17 pm, 23/04/2020] : To help to reduce the number of local transmission, I hope NEA can go around spraying disinfectant islandwide just like what other countries are doing.
[5:23 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Disinfectant the best is targeted- with location based tracking where people are found infected.
Thus mobile signal and GPS data that track infected people movement - will identified the vicinity visited and disinfectant can target this areas.
[7:00 pm, 23/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: This is a location based track system.
Tuesday, April 21, 2020
REACH - 58. PM extend Circuit Breaker (SK)
22 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[10:50 am, 22/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! ☺️
⏰ Our chat will be open from 11am to 7pm today.
🗒 REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
The topic will be posted shortly.
- Megan
[10:59 am, 22/04/2020] : ⏰ Our chat will be open till 7pm today ⏰
📢 Topic 📢
During PM Lee’s national address on the COVID-19 situation in Singapore (21 Apr), he announced the one-month extension of the circuit breaker till 1 June and the further tightening of existing measures.
How do you feel about the tightening and extension of the measures?
How are you planning to cope with the extended circuit breaker?
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/prime-minister-lee-hsien-loong-to-address-nation-on-covid-19-situation-at-5pm
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[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://sg.yahoo.com/news/heehee-read-ho-ching-facebook-074931093.html
[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
She could be in a Zen trance state where she can't control what she is writing.
This Zen trance state often occurs in a crisis - and that person has a Vow or wishes to 普渡众生。
She see both 空界 and 色界 "dualistic states" at the same time - that explains how and why she wrote these - and with explosive thoughts - where some words are incoherence - as she connects to both "States" at the same time.
The attached verse described this phenomenon.
[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: For people who are concerned about the mental well beings of the First Lady.
[11:58 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Police arrested a man after argument broke out in Playmade bubble tea shop
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/playmade-bubble-tea-waterway-point-grabfood-covid-19-12665714
Bobby Tan
[12:34 pm, 22/04/2020] : 📢 Topic 📢
During PM Lee’s national address on the COVID-19 situation in Singapore (21 Apr), he announced the one-month extension of the circuit breaker till 1 June and the further tightening of existing measures.
How do you feel about the tightening and extension of the measures?
I had expected the extension and already prepared for it, but a bit surprise on stopping of cutting hair.
How are you planning to cope with the extended circuit breaker?
I will still do as per normal. If NTUC too many people, I will not go in. I will only go NTUC when the crowd is low. Ths most I buy from those small mart. Going to explore more on online learning and learn extra skills during this period.
[12:57 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: For people who need to check whether NTUC or any supermarkets are crowded, check the spaceout and click supermarkets.
Min
[2:48 pm, 22/04/2020] : How thorough are the checks and how reliable are current testing standards?
[3:23 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) One of our Doctor spokesman in CNA say that testing all foreign workers does not mean that all are clear of viruses - even if the results all turn negatives.
(2) He say when a person tested negative for 4 days, the next 4 days, virus load could then surface indicating that he could be infected and able to start infecting others.
(3) This virus is a very sneaky enemy.
(4) The only way to ensure virus infections end is through social distancing where virus cannot jump hosts and the virus die a natural death.
My close friend's comments :- Given the living conditions at the dorm, how is social distancing possible?
My comments : Yes, that is the scary part.
The doctor say the worst scenario is where 40,000 foreign workers will be infected.
But Singapore government is trying to break the workers into smaller groups and put them into many different places like HDB, floating barges, army barracks etc.
By doing so, the number of infected workers within a group will be greatly reduced and when the virus has no host to jump - it will die a natural death - and the chain of transmission will stop.
[3:29 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Having say so, "aggressive testings" are still needed to identify and weed out the mild asymptomatic cases.
(2) But testings is not foolproof - and it is one important part of the overall strategy.
(3) To ensure the virus die off, social distancing is another important strategy --- in the absence of standard treatement and vaccines.
XaniceAfcai
[3:27 pm, 22/04/2020] : The issue is after the virus die off, where will those temp Fw who are housed at stadium etc now...Will they be house back to their own dormitories - Back to square one.
Min
[3:33 pm, 22/04/2020] : Yeah especially since there are cases of people coming down with fevers and only testing positive 7 days later.
[3:34 pm, 22/04/2020] : Sufficient cases of false negatives.
[3:41 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Firstly, I think the dorm must ensure they maintain their hygiene.
(2) This must be the dorm operators responsibility --- not everything blame on the government.
(3) The government can do audit and check - and fine or punish the dorm operators if they did not maintain hygiene.
(4) Someone mention Dr Chee or Tan CB will ask ---- has no meaning - as to put the blame on the Government - when clearly the dorm operators did not maintain the hygiene standard or the foreign workers did not maintain their own hygiene.
(5) It is akin to a household keep all the rubbish in their houses --- and infested with rats and cockroaches --- and then put blame on the government for not maintain hygiene in the houses.
(6) It is easy for this arm chair oppositions to shoot their mouth like a competent politicians - and when ask to run - is a different matter all together.
(7) And after the pandemic, will the workers be rehoused into their dorms?
(8) Answer:- why not?
(9) 20 persons to a big room - is not overcrowded.
(10) In army barracks - about 15 to 20 persons to a room is a norm.
(11) As long as the vaccines are found and vaccinated, plus hygiene is maintained in a room - 15 to 20 persons to a room is not too much to ask - as Singaproe is a small place.
(12) The only thing is that - army barracks have "stand by bed, stand by room" --- where army commander check the cleanliness of the room and hygiene.
(13) Foreign workers dorm --- has no commander to "stand by bed, stand by room" to ensure cleanliness and hygiene.
Rama
[3:42 pm, 22/04/2020] : Agree on all the above mentioned
Min
[3:42 pm, 22/04/2020] : I think someone here worked as a prison guard before?
REACH
[3:37 pm, 22/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 22 Apr]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 1,016 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Of the 1,016 cases, 15 are Singaporeans/PRs.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh22aprupdate
[6:31 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) 15 SC/PR cases - Look like the circuit breaker is working and can break the local chain of transmission.
(2) The growing down trend of local transmission look encouraging.
(3) Let us monitor for another few days and see how it goes.
(4) Vietnam experience 6 consecutive days of 0 cases - and they are slowly easing lockdown.
(5) Taiwan though experience 3 consecutive days of 0 cases - suddenly come back with a warship of sailors with double digit infection - and these sailors roam around many Taiwan counties --- and now the whole island is on alert for likely more infected cases.
(6) So it is important to be on guard all the time and should not allow a lapse of complacency to derail all the efforts of tackling the virus - as this virus will pounce given 1/2 chance.
[6:45 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Close friend comments :-
(1) Seems like our testings are mainly focus in dorms and foreign workers not in dorms.
My comments :-
(1) Yes. The testing are mainly focusing on dorms and foreign workers not in dorms --- which could be due to our stretch medical resource.
(2) I believe for community, we rely on only those who got symptoms, see doctors, tested then announced if positive.
(3) That's why it there's still some unlink cases lurking around in the community.
(4) Look like the government is using social distancing and stay at home to break this unlink cases -- which is a sound strategy ---- as this virus need to jump host to survive.
(5) If humans don't get close or come into contact for this virus to "jump host" --- the virus will die naturally when the host immune system defeat it - and the virus are not able to jump into another host.
Rama
[6:30 pm, 22/04/2020] : PlayMade apologises to GrabFood rider arrested at Waterway Point: Staff told him it would be a 'f**** long wait' https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/playmade-apologises-to-grabfood-rider-who-was-arrested-at-waterway-point-staff-told
[6:43 pm, 22/04/2020] : I think for this incidence, both sides are highly stressed. Hope this is one of those cases where they can both settle amicably and let things go in light of things. Hope no charges will be made. :(
[6:45 pm, 22/04/2020] : Quite sad to see the online comments all asking for the Grab Food driver to be fired and punished, etc. He was creating a scene but can you imagine him realising he has to wait there for 2 hours just to send some bubble tea, already stressed and pissed off enough, anything else is like a spark that triggers an outburst.
[6:51 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) In time of crisis, human must be able to stay cool, calm, patience and tolerance.
(2) People who are able to develop high EQ - will be able to weather well in a crisis --- and will not let himself/herself overwhelm by anger, fear or sadness.
(3) This is a hallmark of a sound psychological resiliency.
22 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
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📢 Topic 📢
During PM Lee’s national address on the COVID-19 situation in Singapore (21 Apr), he announced the one-month extension of the circuit breaker till 1 June and the further tightening of existing measures.
How do you feel about the tightening and extension of the measures?
How are you planning to cope with the extended circuit breaker?
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/prime-minister-lee-hsien-loong-to-address-nation-on-covid-19-situation-at-5pm
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[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://sg.yahoo.com/news/heehee-read-ho-ching-facebook-074931093.html
[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
She could be in a Zen trance state where she can't control what she is writing.
This Zen trance state often occurs in a crisis - and that person has a Vow or wishes to 普渡众生。
She see both 空界 and 色界 "dualistic states" at the same time - that explains how and why she wrote these - and with explosive thoughts - where some words are incoherence - as she connects to both "States" at the same time.
The attached verse described this phenomenon.
[11:13 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: For people who are concerned about the mental well beings of the First Lady.
[11:58 am, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Police arrested a man after argument broke out in Playmade bubble tea shop
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/playmade-bubble-tea-waterway-point-grabfood-covid-19-12665714
Bobby Tan
[12:34 pm, 22/04/2020] : 📢 Topic 📢
During PM Lee’s national address on the COVID-19 situation in Singapore (21 Apr), he announced the one-month extension of the circuit breaker till 1 June and the further tightening of existing measures.
How do you feel about the tightening and extension of the measures?
I had expected the extension and already prepared for it, but a bit surprise on stopping of cutting hair.
How are you planning to cope with the extended circuit breaker?
I will still do as per normal. If NTUC too many people, I will not go in. I will only go NTUC when the crowd is low. Ths most I buy from those small mart. Going to explore more on online learning and learn extra skills during this period.
[12:57 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: For people who need to check whether NTUC or any supermarkets are crowded, check the spaceout and click supermarkets.
Min
[2:48 pm, 22/04/2020] : How thorough are the checks and how reliable are current testing standards?
[3:23 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) One of our Doctor spokesman in CNA say that testing all foreign workers does not mean that all are clear of viruses - even if the results all turn negatives.
(2) He say when a person tested negative for 4 days, the next 4 days, virus load could then surface indicating that he could be infected and able to start infecting others.
(3) This virus is a very sneaky enemy.
(4) The only way to ensure virus infections end is through social distancing where virus cannot jump hosts and the virus die a natural death.
My close friend's comments :- Given the living conditions at the dorm, how is social distancing possible?
My comments : Yes, that is the scary part.
The doctor say the worst scenario is where 40,000 foreign workers will be infected.
But Singapore government is trying to break the workers into smaller groups and put them into many different places like HDB, floating barges, army barracks etc.
By doing so, the number of infected workers within a group will be greatly reduced and when the virus has no host to jump - it will die a natural death - and the chain of transmission will stop.
[3:29 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Having say so, "aggressive testings" are still needed to identify and weed out the mild asymptomatic cases.
(2) But testings is not foolproof - and it is one important part of the overall strategy.
(3) To ensure the virus die off, social distancing is another important strategy --- in the absence of standard treatement and vaccines.
XaniceAfcai
[3:27 pm, 22/04/2020] : The issue is after the virus die off, where will those temp Fw who are housed at stadium etc now...Will they be house back to their own dormitories - Back to square one.
Min
[3:33 pm, 22/04/2020] : Yeah especially since there are cases of people coming down with fevers and only testing positive 7 days later.
[3:34 pm, 22/04/2020] : Sufficient cases of false negatives.
[3:41 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) Firstly, I think the dorm must ensure they maintain their hygiene.
(2) This must be the dorm operators responsibility --- not everything blame on the government.
(3) The government can do audit and check - and fine or punish the dorm operators if they did not maintain hygiene.
(4) Someone mention Dr Chee or Tan CB will ask ---- has no meaning - as to put the blame on the Government - when clearly the dorm operators did not maintain the hygiene standard or the foreign workers did not maintain their own hygiene.
(5) It is akin to a household keep all the rubbish in their houses --- and infested with rats and cockroaches --- and then put blame on the government for not maintain hygiene in the houses.
(6) It is easy for this arm chair oppositions to shoot their mouth like a competent politicians - and when ask to run - is a different matter all together.
(7) And after the pandemic, will the workers be rehoused into their dorms?
(8) Answer:- why not?
(9) 20 persons to a big room - is not overcrowded.
(10) In army barracks - about 15 to 20 persons to a room is a norm.
(11) As long as the vaccines are found and vaccinated, plus hygiene is maintained in a room - 15 to 20 persons to a room is not too much to ask - as Singaproe is a small place.
(12) The only thing is that - army barracks have "stand by bed, stand by room" --- where army commander check the cleanliness of the room and hygiene.
(13) Foreign workers dorm --- has no commander to "stand by bed, stand by room" to ensure cleanliness and hygiene.
Rama
[3:42 pm, 22/04/2020] : Agree on all the above mentioned
Min
[3:42 pm, 22/04/2020] : I think someone here worked as a prison guard before?
REACH
[3:37 pm, 22/04/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 22 Apr]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 1,016 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Of the 1,016 cases, 15 are Singaporeans/PRs.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh22aprupdate
[6:31 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) 15 SC/PR cases - Look like the circuit breaker is working and can break the local chain of transmission.
(2) The growing down trend of local transmission look encouraging.
(3) Let us monitor for another few days and see how it goes.
(4) Vietnam experience 6 consecutive days of 0 cases - and they are slowly easing lockdown.
(5) Taiwan though experience 3 consecutive days of 0 cases - suddenly come back with a warship of sailors with double digit infection - and these sailors roam around many Taiwan counties --- and now the whole island is on alert for likely more infected cases.
(6) So it is important to be on guard all the time and should not allow a lapse of complacency to derail all the efforts of tackling the virus - as this virus will pounce given 1/2 chance.
[6:45 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Close friend comments :-
(1) Seems like our testings are mainly focus in dorms and foreign workers not in dorms.
My comments :-
(1) Yes. The testing are mainly focusing on dorms and foreign workers not in dorms --- which could be due to our stretch medical resource.
(2) I believe for community, we rely on only those who got symptoms, see doctors, tested then announced if positive.
(3) That's why it there's still some unlink cases lurking around in the community.
(4) Look like the government is using social distancing and stay at home to break this unlink cases -- which is a sound strategy ---- as this virus need to jump host to survive.
(5) If humans don't get close or come into contact for this virus to "jump host" --- the virus will die naturally when the host immune system defeat it - and the virus are not able to jump into another host.
Rama
[6:30 pm, 22/04/2020] : PlayMade apologises to GrabFood rider arrested at Waterway Point: Staff told him it would be a 'f**** long wait' https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/playmade-apologises-to-grabfood-rider-who-was-arrested-at-waterway-point-staff-told
[6:43 pm, 22/04/2020] : I think for this incidence, both sides are highly stressed. Hope this is one of those cases where they can both settle amicably and let things go in light of things. Hope no charges will be made. :(
[6:45 pm, 22/04/2020] : Quite sad to see the online comments all asking for the Grab Food driver to be fired and punished, etc. He was creating a scene but can you imagine him realising he has to wait there for 2 hours just to send some bubble tea, already stressed and pissed off enough, anything else is like a spark that triggers an outburst.
[6:51 pm, 22/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) In time of crisis, human must be able to stay cool, calm, patience and tolerance.
(2) People who are able to develop high EQ - will be able to weather well in a crisis --- and will not let himself/herself overwhelm by anger, fear or sadness.
(3) This is a hallmark of a sound psychological resiliency.
Monday, April 20, 2020
REACH - 57. How to make strain relation stay at home (SK)
21 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[9:39 am, 21/04/2020] : Minister Lawrence Wong: Staying home may be easy for some. But certain segments of our population do find it very hard to cope. Some may have strained relations within the family. Others just find it hard to be cooped up in the same place for too long. It’s not just about the difficulties in changing daily habits and routines; there are also real mental and social difficulties that can impact on one’s overall health.
More: https://www.facebook.com/192130117495006/posts/3678773518830631
[10:43 am, 21/04/2020] : REACH Live! (Mandarin) Highlights #5
How have Singaporeans been stepping up to help the community? Let's hear Ms Tin Pei Ling 陈佩玲 and Joanna Dong 董姿彦 share more about it!
https://www.facebook.com/REACHSingapore/videos/2476609242439755/
#SGUnited
[10:46 am, 21/04/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Our chat will be open from 11am to 7pm today.
REACH is constantly taking note of all the feedback and suggestions shared on our WhatsApp chats, and will send them to relevant authorities for consideration.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
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Megan
[11:00 am, 21/04/2020] : ⏰ Chat will be open till 7pm today.⏰
📢 Topic 📢
Today marks 14 days since the circuit breaker measures came into effect.
As Singapore enters the second half of the month-long circuit breaker period, most of the new cases are linked to foreign worker dormitories, while local transmission in the community has continued to fall.
Minister Lawrence Wong said said some have difficulties staying at home and some are being cared for by volunteers. He encouraged everyone to stay on course as the Circuit Breaker measures are showing results.
How can better help those who have difficulties staying at home to do so, as we fight the spread of the virus over the next two weeks?
👉🏼https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/1426-new-coronavirus-cases-in-spore-in-new…
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[12:05 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Straits Times
20 Apr 2020 9.56pm
Coronavirus: Next few days will determine whether circuit breaker can be eased by May 4, say experts
The next few days are a critical period that will determine whether the circuit breaker measures can be eased by May 4, infectious disease experts told The Straits Times on Monday (April 20).
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[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
[6:50 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee just announce circuit breaker extended to another 4 weeks... to 1 Jun 2020 from 4 May 2020 (News conference 5 pm)
[7:01 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM say want to bring down community spreading decisively - in line with our proposal to ensure community spreading is zero before opening up circuit breaker.
Alvin
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree with all of these
David Murugan
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : This include Dorm of FW. Now their rate is, very high. Doubt can get zero infection.
Alvin
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Let’s not be too hasty on relaxing the circuit breaker measures
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Relax measures bit by bit
Rama
[12:10 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree
Fish Fish
[12:11 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agreed
[12:11 pm, 21/04/2020] : If not what we done previously might be just useless
Eugene
[12:12 pm, 21/04/2020] : agree! maybe continue with only allowing essential workers to go to work, the rest WFH. cos our workforce makes up bulk of the population and the community transmission will be high
Daphne See
[12:12 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree
XaniceAfcai
[12:13 pm, 21/04/2020] : Yes. Agreed n support to extend as not to waste the effort.
[1:28 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
[3:21 pm, 20/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend's comments :-
- In a pandemic, people first think about flattening the infection curve so that the healthcare will not be overwhelmed.
- But there is an evil twin out there waiting to destroy - the economic curve.
- As the economic curve is flattened or even stopped abruptly, not everyone is equal.
- Some took the opportunity to enjoy doing things they never had time for, others panick and worried about how the next meal is coming in.
- To borrow someone's words we are in the same storm but not necessarily in the same boat.
- So think hard how we can help.
[12:33 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Strained relationship between family members make stay at home difficult.
Actually, it is all about developing :-
1. Mutual respect
2. Develop high EQ individually
3. Refrain from imposing individual own point of view on others - listen to another point of view and emphatise
4. Hold respectful discussion between family members and not resort to quarell
5. Develop patience and care for others.
6. Help one another in needs.
All the above are soft skills that each and everyone can and should develop so as to have a caring and loving relationship at home and outside home.
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Clement Lim
[1:53 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-tests-stepped-up-to-around-2900-every-day?utm_source=STSmartphone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-21+13%3A51%3A50
3 wks ago, SG can do about 2.9k tests a day. It should be more now.
But the concern here is about lab space. Cos the tests need to be done in the lab. My sense is that SG has enough tests. SG has companies manufacturing their own tests as well. But having all these tests and reagents is one thing. Having enough labs to test the results is another.
Ben
[1:54 pm, 21/04/2020] : Thank you. Good to know!
Clement Lim
[1:54 pm, 21/04/2020] : But i think shld be more now. Recall that govt is also roping in all the private labs
Peter T Ng
[1:56 pm, 21/04/2020] : Not all tests need to be done in lab
Ben
[1:56 pm, 21/04/2020] : Yes and people to administer and process the testing I'm sure is another problem.
[1:57 pm, 21/04/2020] : It's good to know how many each day because then we see a % of positives. Is that a trend increasing or decreasing...
[1:57 pm, 21/04/2020] : I respect SG approach of vigorous testing even if that means we get high numbers.
[1:58 pm, 21/04/2020] : If the CB ends and we are at 5% positive tests that would seem too high to end the measures.
David Murugan
[1:58 pm, 21/04/2020] : How many today?
Ben
[1:59 pm, 21/04/2020] : We probably want to be under 10 per day, which is 0.1% of every 1000 tests.
Clement Lim
[2:00 pm, 21/04/2020] : There are 2 types of tests. The swab test and the antibody test.
The swab test is the one Govt is relying on for initial testing because it tests directly for the presence of the virus. Which makes it more accurate. And in fact all govts in the world uses the swab test for initial testing. Swab testing needs the lab.
Antibody testing doesnt need lab. But this is less reliable because it tests for antibody which is produced in response to the virus. The problem is it takes a while for antibodies to show - some papers says its a week or so. Sometimes antibody might not show where virus is in small numbers. So govt usually use this antibody testing afterwards to determine who many people is infected - ex post facto.
So I wld say that for the purposes of our case mumbers each day - these are all from the lab
Clement Lim
[2:37 pm, 21/04/2020] +: As in theres a lot of unknowns with antibody tests. No one knows how long will anitbody show; when will they show etc. So theres the fear that too early on, theres no antibody. So u have an infected person in the early phase of infection who tests negative
[2:38 pm, 21/04/2020] : Theres a reason why govt usually dont use it for initial testing. But used as a supplement.
Peter T Ng
[2:39 pm, 21/04/2020] : Ok so you are saying non lab antibody test is not reliable because it may produce false negatives
Clement Lim
[2:40 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/types-testing-covid-19-infections-70253488
Read this
Peter T Ng
[2:41 pm, 21/04/2020] : So you are saying PCR test presumably that is the reliable lab test you are referring - under the same test subject and condition - will not produce false negatives
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Eugene
[2:14 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/covid-19-netlink-service-suspension-lifted-safety-measures-stepped-contractors?fbclid=IwAR2qomYiZ9uG2cKeUjNAWnxw_CgEKZKAF97EUuIrHHpJKQBpAVH-UWlZN-s
Just wondering, why are maintainence works allowed to be carried out during the CB?
[2:21 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Fiber installation or rectifying faults are considered to be essential services - as people now work at home, study at home and have entertainment at home.
2. With media broadcast converted to digital, without broadband - entertainment, TV, work-at-home and study-at-home --- cannot take place --- and it will cause people at home to be frustrated and may go out instead of staying at home.
3. However, wonder did Netlink sent their workers for covid test before deploying them to home even though they practised safe distancing in deployment? This is my real concern.
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Eugene
[2:42 pm, 21/04/2020] : good move to prevent further community transmission
[2:25 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: This mall is crowded.
David Murugan
[2:26 pm, 21/04/2020] : 😱 what's the occasion?
[2:27 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Shrug shoulders...
Don't know.
Every day I check mall and alert.
Jimmy Chew
[2:27 pm, 21/04/2020] : raining
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Apart from the workers living in dorms, we are monitoring two other groups of migrant workers closely. First, workers who live in shophouses, private housing, or HDB flats. Second, workers in essential services. This group is still working during the circuit breaker, helping to keep Singapore going. Some are cleaning the HDB blocks or hawker centres. Others are maintaining key infrastructure like our broadband networks.
We are also testing them to make sure that they are healthy, and to pick up any infections early."
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[6:27 pm, 20/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ---
(1) One thing come to mind - wonder if now "aggressive testings" as proposed by my close friend is conducted in all the dorms for foreign workers --- is there any more spare capacity to conduct tests for "foreign workers not in dorms"?
(2) Baring that double digit of these "foreign workers not in dorms" - are found to be infected every day, should there be a more systematic ways of testing these group of workers to identify those infected before the circuit breaker deadline arrive.
(3) Suggest to do the followings if we have spare capacity to systematically test this group of foreign workers :-
a. Mandate that Contractors will need to get "medical cert-free of covid-19" for all their foreign workers under them - before these workers all allowed to work in the construction sites or/and when circuit breaker ends.
These will put the onus of tests on these contractors if they want to start work when the circuit breaker ends.
b. Setup mobile testing team (eg. in vehicles or in CC near where these construction workers stay - eg. in HDB, construction sites, private estates etc) - where all workers staying around the vicinty must be escorted by their respective Contractors or Companies to be tested --- each and everyone -- to ensure all their workers are fit for work or if infected - to be send to hospital for treatment.
c. These mobile testing teams - can initially be deployed in North, South, East and West - to ensure it covers all the foreign workers not staying in dorms.
XaniceAfcai
[8:22 pm, 21/04/2020] : I guess the other grp of Fw contractor n delivery of essential services are fr telecom, delivery services, lift maintenance, plumber n electrician at my org.
[8:27 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Based on PM Lee's speech, these foreign workers not staying in dorms are also tested before they are released to the community to conduct their work.
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"So far, the clusters in the dorms have remained largely contained, and have not spread to the wider community. We will do our utmost to keep it this way."
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[4:11 pm, 18/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comment :- "If it is proactive testing to arrest issue, then it's a good thing".
My comments :- "Yes I think government adopting our strategy on aggressive testing on the dorm to cover all infected cases - so that all will be identified and weed out all possible cases ---- and will not infect our Community.
The big number we see now is expected - and we should not be alarm by it.
The moment when all the tests are done on dorm ---- the number will decline and eventually go down to zero.
Notice that the community spreading is now only 14 - the trend is going down -- showing that the Circuit Breaker measures are showing result.
Let us monitor for a few more days --- and see how it goes.
[2:40 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes the zero infection refers to community spreading.
If dorm still have infected numbers but is well contained within the dorm and given treatment - but will not infect the community, we can still consider to open up.
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Community
In the wider community, the circuit breaker is starting to have an effect. The number of community cases has fallen in recent days.
This is the result of all of us coming together, making sacrifices and adhering to the circuit breaker rules. We cannot afford to be complacent. We must press on. To bring down daily infections more sharply, to a single digit, or even zero. And to reduce the number of unlinked cases: those cases where we do not know how they got infected, or from whom."
"Because unfortunately that number of unlinked cases has not come down. And this suggests there is a larger, hidden reservoir of COVID-19 cases in the community, that is the source of these unlinked cases, which we have not detected.
I discussed with the Multi-Ministry Task Force (MTF) on the next steps to take. We want to bring down the community numbers decisively. We also want to make sure that if any leakage occurs from the dorms to the wider community, we can detect and contain it early, and prevent new clusters from forming and bursting out of control."
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[4:11 pm, 18/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Notice that the community spreading is now only 14 - the trend is going down -- showing that the Circuit Breaker measures are showing result.
Let us monitor for a few more days --- and see how it goes.
[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
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[8:33 pm, 13/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
a. Contact tracing and Testing
- by identifying the infected person - and trace those people he/she contacted with - may have misssed important infection sources :-
- eg. the toilet he/she visit (as he/she may discharged droplets and virus in wash basin and toilet bowls.
- eg. infected person use his contaminated fingers to press the lift buttons, hold the handrail in MRT or bus or sneeze or cough in the lift.
- eg. infected person eat in food court and contaminate the chairs, tables, utensils etc
- although other people did not come into contact with this infected person --- they may still get infected - that result in the many unlink cases.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Nobody knows how long the pandemic will last. Most likely it will take more than a year, before effective treatments and vaccines become available. So we have to take things one step at a time.
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[1:36 pm, 19/03/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) When will the 2nd waves of infection reaches its peak and then begin to taper off?
(2) The following are the likely scenarios:-
a. When all countries in the world with many of their population get infected and develop some antibodies. The virus no longer can infect human.
This is the worst scenario.
b. Effective vaccine is found and the world population get vaccinated.
c. Effective treatment is developed and the virus is no longer fear by human.
d. Virus run out its full course and environment no longer support its growth.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Apr 2020, 5pm)
"First, we must open up incrementally, in small steps, making sure that we are safe each step of the way. This is what New Zealand and Germany are beginning to do, very cautiously. They believe that they have broken the chain of transmission, but they want to be extra careful. They do not want to open up prematurely after lock downs, only to find COVID-19 coming back, and then be forced to lock down a second time. It has happened in Hokkaido. We should try our best to avoid this."
"We will therefore extend the circuit breaker for four more weeks, beyond 4 May. In other words, until 1 June."
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[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ====
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Second, we need to scale up testing for COVID-19 substantially, so that we can quickly detect any new cases that pop up. This we are progressively doing, not only by procuring test kits and equipment from other countries, but also by developing and manufacturing our own test kits."
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[6:46 pm, 13/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Joint Contribution with my close friend :-
(2) we hope that the relevant authorities widen the test criteria for covid19 e.g. It was reported that a confirmed case was having fever and cough but was not tested and after the symptoms persisted for several days and was finally tested and confirmed. During the period where the symptoms appear to confirmed it might have spread to several others and chain of transmission proliferates exponentially. When community spread has become pervasive, can the authorities consider widening the test criteria e.g. Persons who showed symptoms and worked in public facing environment should be tested.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
Third, we will need to make full use of IT, so that when we discover COVID-19 cases, we can trace more efficiently where they have been, and whom they have been in contact with.
We have the TraceTogether app, and we are currently developing other apps for this purpose. For these apps to work, we will need everyone’s cooperation to install and use them, like what the South Koreans have done. There will be some privacy concerns, but we will have to weigh these against the benefits of being able to exit from the circuit breaker and stay open safely.
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[3:06 pm, 31/03/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ---
(1) Will to urge Government to seriously consider using mobile data to do:-
a. Contact Tracing and Tracking
b. Ensuring people Stay-At-Home and observe Quarantine Order.
(2) Noted that we maybe concern with breaching the Personal Privacy Act.
(3) But 非常时期，需要非常手段。
(4) Government must consider waiving the Personal Privacy Act to tackle this virus pandemic - until when the crisis is over - before reinstating the Privacy Act.
(Note:- If other new apps developed have good IT security, can consider installing to help in the fight for this covid-19).
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21 Apr 2020 (11am - 7pm)
REACH
[9:39 am, 21/04/2020] : Minister Lawrence Wong: Staying home may be easy for some. But certain segments of our population do find it very hard to cope. Some may have strained relations within the family. Others just find it hard to be cooped up in the same place for too long. It’s not just about the difficulties in changing daily habits and routines; there are also real mental and social difficulties that can impact on one’s overall health.
More: https://www.facebook.com/192130117495006/posts/3678773518830631
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📢 Topic 📢
Today marks 14 days since the circuit breaker measures came into effect.
As Singapore enters the second half of the month-long circuit breaker period, most of the new cases are linked to foreign worker dormitories, while local transmission in the community has continued to fall.
Minister Lawrence Wong said said some have difficulties staying at home and some are being cared for by volunteers. He encouraged everyone to stay on course as the Circuit Breaker measures are showing results.
How can better help those who have difficulties staying at home to do so, as we fight the spread of the virus over the next two weeks?
👉🏼https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/1426-new-coronavirus-cases-in-spore-in-new…
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[12:05 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Straits Times
20 Apr 2020 9.56pm
Coronavirus: Next few days will determine whether circuit breaker can be eased by May 4, say experts
The next few days are a critical period that will determine whether the circuit breaker measures can be eased by May 4, infectious disease experts told The Straits Times on Monday (April 20).
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[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
[6:50 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee just announce circuit breaker extended to another 4 weeks... to 1 Jun 2020 from 4 May 2020 (News conference 5 pm)
[7:01 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM say want to bring down community spreading decisively - in line with our proposal to ensure community spreading is zero before opening up circuit breaker.
Alvin
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree with all of these
David Murugan
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : This include Dorm of FW. Now their rate is, very high. Doubt can get zero infection.
Alvin
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Let’s not be too hasty on relaxing the circuit breaker measures
[12:08 pm, 21/04/2020] : Relax measures bit by bit
Rama
[12:10 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree
Fish Fish
[12:11 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agreed
[12:11 pm, 21/04/2020] : If not what we done previously might be just useless
Eugene
[12:12 pm, 21/04/2020] : agree! maybe continue with only allowing essential workers to go to work, the rest WFH. cos our workforce makes up bulk of the population and the community transmission will be high
Daphne See
[12:12 pm, 21/04/2020] : Agree
XaniceAfcai
[12:13 pm, 21/04/2020] : Yes. Agreed n support to extend as not to waste the effort.
[1:28 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
[3:21 pm, 20/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend's comments :-
- In a pandemic, people first think about flattening the infection curve so that the healthcare will not be overwhelmed.
- But there is an evil twin out there waiting to destroy - the economic curve.
- As the economic curve is flattened or even stopped abruptly, not everyone is equal.
- Some took the opportunity to enjoy doing things they never had time for, others panick and worried about how the next meal is coming in.
- To borrow someone's words we are in the same storm but not necessarily in the same boat.
- So think hard how we can help.
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[12:33 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Strained relationship between family members make stay at home difficult.
Actually, it is all about developing :-
1. Mutual respect
2. Develop high EQ individually
3. Refrain from imposing individual own point of view on others - listen to another point of view and emphatise
4. Hold respectful discussion between family members and not resort to quarell
5. Develop patience and care for others.
6. Help one another in needs.
All the above are soft skills that each and everyone can and should develop so as to have a caring and loving relationship at home and outside home.
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Clement Lim
[1:53 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-tests-stepped-up-to-around-2900-every-day?utm_source=STSmartphone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-04-21+13%3A51%3A50
3 wks ago, SG can do about 2.9k tests a day. It should be more now.
But the concern here is about lab space. Cos the tests need to be done in the lab. My sense is that SG has enough tests. SG has companies manufacturing their own tests as well. But having all these tests and reagents is one thing. Having enough labs to test the results is another.
Ben
[1:54 pm, 21/04/2020] : Thank you. Good to know!
Clement Lim
[1:54 pm, 21/04/2020] : But i think shld be more now. Recall that govt is also roping in all the private labs
Peter T Ng
[1:56 pm, 21/04/2020] : Not all tests need to be done in lab
Ben
[1:56 pm, 21/04/2020] : Yes and people to administer and process the testing I'm sure is another problem.
[1:57 pm, 21/04/2020] : It's good to know how many each day because then we see a % of positives. Is that a trend increasing or decreasing...
[1:57 pm, 21/04/2020] : I respect SG approach of vigorous testing even if that means we get high numbers.
[1:58 pm, 21/04/2020] : If the CB ends and we are at 5% positive tests that would seem too high to end the measures.
David Murugan
[1:58 pm, 21/04/2020] : How many today?
Ben
[1:59 pm, 21/04/2020] : We probably want to be under 10 per day, which is 0.1% of every 1000 tests.
Clement Lim
[2:00 pm, 21/04/2020] : There are 2 types of tests. The swab test and the antibody test.
The swab test is the one Govt is relying on for initial testing because it tests directly for the presence of the virus. Which makes it more accurate. And in fact all govts in the world uses the swab test for initial testing. Swab testing needs the lab.
Antibody testing doesnt need lab. But this is less reliable because it tests for antibody which is produced in response to the virus. The problem is it takes a while for antibodies to show - some papers says its a week or so. Sometimes antibody might not show where virus is in small numbers. So govt usually use this antibody testing afterwards to determine who many people is infected - ex post facto.
So I wld say that for the purposes of our case mumbers each day - these are all from the lab
Clement Lim
[2:37 pm, 21/04/2020] +: As in theres a lot of unknowns with antibody tests. No one knows how long will anitbody show; when will they show etc. So theres the fear that too early on, theres no antibody. So u have an infected person in the early phase of infection who tests negative
[2:38 pm, 21/04/2020] : Theres a reason why govt usually dont use it for initial testing. But used as a supplement.
Peter T Ng
[2:39 pm, 21/04/2020] : Ok so you are saying non lab antibody test is not reliable because it may produce false negatives
Clement Lim
[2:40 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/types-testing-covid-19-infections-70253488
Read this
Peter T Ng
[2:41 pm, 21/04/2020] : So you are saying PCR test presumably that is the reliable lab test you are referring - under the same test subject and condition - will not produce false negatives
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Eugene
[2:14 pm, 21/04/2020] : https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/covid-19-netlink-service-suspension-lifted-safety-measures-stepped-contractors?fbclid=IwAR2qomYiZ9uG2cKeUjNAWnxw_CgEKZKAF97EUuIrHHpJKQBpAVH-UWlZN-s
Just wondering, why are maintainence works allowed to be carried out during the CB?
[2:21 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Fiber installation or rectifying faults are considered to be essential services - as people now work at home, study at home and have entertainment at home.
2. With media broadcast converted to digital, without broadband - entertainment, TV, work-at-home and study-at-home --- cannot take place --- and it will cause people at home to be frustrated and may go out instead of staying at home.
3. However, wonder did Netlink sent their workers for covid test before deploying them to home even though they practised safe distancing in deployment? This is my real concern.
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Eugene
[2:42 pm, 21/04/2020] : good move to prevent further community transmission
[2:25 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: This mall is crowded.
David Murugan
[2:26 pm, 21/04/2020] : 😱 what's the occasion?
[2:27 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Shrug shoulders...
Don't know.
Every day I check mall and alert.
Jimmy Chew
[2:27 pm, 21/04/2020] : raining
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Apart from the workers living in dorms, we are monitoring two other groups of migrant workers closely. First, workers who live in shophouses, private housing, or HDB flats. Second, workers in essential services. This group is still working during the circuit breaker, helping to keep Singapore going. Some are cleaning the HDB blocks or hawker centres. Others are maintaining key infrastructure like our broadband networks.
We are also testing them to make sure that they are healthy, and to pick up any infections early."
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[6:27 pm, 20/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ---
(1) One thing come to mind - wonder if now "aggressive testings" as proposed by my close friend is conducted in all the dorms for foreign workers --- is there any more spare capacity to conduct tests for "foreign workers not in dorms"?
(2) Baring that double digit of these "foreign workers not in dorms" - are found to be infected every day, should there be a more systematic ways of testing these group of workers to identify those infected before the circuit breaker deadline arrive.
(3) Suggest to do the followings if we have spare capacity to systematically test this group of foreign workers :-
a. Mandate that Contractors will need to get "medical cert-free of covid-19" for all their foreign workers under them - before these workers all allowed to work in the construction sites or/and when circuit breaker ends.
These will put the onus of tests on these contractors if they want to start work when the circuit breaker ends.
b. Setup mobile testing team (eg. in vehicles or in CC near where these construction workers stay - eg. in HDB, construction sites, private estates etc) - where all workers staying around the vicinty must be escorted by their respective Contractors or Companies to be tested --- each and everyone -- to ensure all their workers are fit for work or if infected - to be send to hospital for treatment.
c. These mobile testing teams - can initially be deployed in North, South, East and West - to ensure it covers all the foreign workers not staying in dorms.
XaniceAfcai
[8:22 pm, 21/04/2020] : I guess the other grp of Fw contractor n delivery of essential services are fr telecom, delivery services, lift maintenance, plumber n electrician at my org.
[8:27 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Based on PM Lee's speech, these foreign workers not staying in dorms are also tested before they are released to the community to conduct their work.
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"So far, the clusters in the dorms have remained largely contained, and have not spread to the wider community. We will do our utmost to keep it this way."
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[4:11 pm, 18/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comment :- "If it is proactive testing to arrest issue, then it's a good thing".
My comments :- "Yes I think government adopting our strategy on aggressive testing on the dorm to cover all infected cases - so that all will be identified and weed out all possible cases ---- and will not infect our Community.
The big number we see now is expected - and we should not be alarm by it.
The moment when all the tests are done on dorm ---- the number will decline and eventually go down to zero.
Notice that the community spreading is now only 14 - the trend is going down -- showing that the Circuit Breaker measures are showing result.
Let us monitor for a few more days --- and see how it goes.
[2:40 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes the zero infection refers to community spreading.
If dorm still have infected numbers but is well contained within the dorm and given treatment - but will not infect the community, we can still consider to open up.
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[8:17 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Community
In the wider community, the circuit breaker is starting to have an effect. The number of community cases has fallen in recent days.
This is the result of all of us coming together, making sacrifices and adhering to the circuit breaker rules. We cannot afford to be complacent. We must press on. To bring down daily infections more sharply, to a single digit, or even zero. And to reduce the number of unlinked cases: those cases where we do not know how they got infected, or from whom."
"Because unfortunately that number of unlinked cases has not come down. And this suggests there is a larger, hidden reservoir of COVID-19 cases in the community, that is the source of these unlinked cases, which we have not detected.
I discussed with the Multi-Ministry Task Force (MTF) on the next steps to take. We want to bring down the community numbers decisively. We also want to make sure that if any leakage occurs from the dorms to the wider community, we can detect and contain it early, and prevent new clusters from forming and bursting out of control."
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[4:11 pm, 18/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Notice that the community spreading is now only 14 - the trend is going down -- showing that the Circuit Breaker measures are showing result.
Let us monitor for a few more days --- and see how it goes.
[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
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[8:33 pm, 13/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
a. Contact tracing and Testing
- by identifying the infected person - and trace those people he/she contacted with - may have misssed important infection sources :-
- eg. the toilet he/she visit (as he/she may discharged droplets and virus in wash basin and toilet bowls.
- eg. infected person use his contaminated fingers to press the lift buttons, hold the handrail in MRT or bus or sneeze or cough in the lift.
- eg. infected person eat in food court and contaminate the chairs, tables, utensils etc
- although other people did not come into contact with this infected person --- they may still get infected - that result in the many unlink cases.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Nobody knows how long the pandemic will last. Most likely it will take more than a year, before effective treatments and vaccines become available. So we have to take things one step at a time.
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[1:36 pm, 19/03/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
(1) When will the 2nd waves of infection reaches its peak and then begin to taper off?
(2) The following are the likely scenarios:-
a. When all countries in the world with many of their population get infected and develop some antibodies. The virus no longer can infect human.
This is the worst scenario.
b. Effective vaccine is found and the world population get vaccinated.
c. Effective treatment is developed and the virus is no longer fear by human.
d. Virus run out its full course and environment no longer support its growth.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Apr 2020, 5pm)
"First, we must open up incrementally, in small steps, making sure that we are safe each step of the way. This is what New Zealand and Germany are beginning to do, very cautiously. They believe that they have broken the chain of transmission, but they want to be extra careful. They do not want to open up prematurely after lock downs, only to find COVID-19 coming back, and then be forced to lock down a second time. It has happened in Hokkaido. We should try our best to avoid this."
"We will therefore extend the circuit breaker for four more weeks, beyond 4 May. In other words, until 1 June."
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[2:31 pm, 19/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Personally, I feel that :-
1. If few days before 4 May - the number of infection is zero for a few days - then Circuit breaker can stop to resume work and school.
2. However if still have few cases by 4 may - then I suggest extending CB measures to another 2 weeks to ensure the number go down to zero.
Else all our efforts wasted if everyone go back to work and school - but trigger another round of community spreading.
Then we need another CB measures - that will cause big impact to our economy.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ====
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
"Second, we need to scale up testing for COVID-19 substantially, so that we can quickly detect any new cases that pop up. This we are progressively doing, not only by procuring test kits and equipment from other countries, but also by developing and manufacturing our own test kits."
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[6:46 pm, 13/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Joint Contribution with my close friend :-
(2) we hope that the relevant authorities widen the test criteria for covid19 e.g. It was reported that a confirmed case was having fever and cough but was not tested and after the symptoms persisted for several days and was finally tested and confirmed. During the period where the symptoms appear to confirmed it might have spread to several others and chain of transmission proliferates exponentially. When community spread has become pervasive, can the authorities consider widening the test criteria e.g. Persons who showed symptoms and worked in public facing environment should be tested.
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[9:41 pm, 21/04/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
PM Lee speech (21 Ap2 2020, 5pm)
Third, we will need to make full use of IT, so that when we discover COVID-19 cases, we can trace more efficiently where they have been, and whom they have been in contact with.
We have the TraceTogether app, and we are currently developing other apps for this purpose. For these apps to work, we will need everyone’s cooperation to install and use them, like what the South Koreans have done. There will be some privacy concerns, but we will have to weigh these against the benefits of being able to exit from the circuit breaker and stay open safely.
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[3:06 pm, 31/03/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: ---
(1) Will to urge Government to seriously consider using mobile data to do:-
a. Contact Tracing and Tracking
b. Ensuring people Stay-At-Home and observe Quarantine Order.
(2) Noted that we maybe concern with breaching the Personal Privacy Act.
(3) But 非常时期，需要非常手段。
(4) Government must consider waiving the Personal Privacy Act to tackle this virus pandemic - until when the crisis is over - before reinstating the Privacy Act.
(Note:- If other new apps developed have good IT security, can consider installing to help in the fight for this covid-19).
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