REACH 468 - What are your views on PM Lee and Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong’s statements delivered in Parliament yesterday (3 July)?
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04 Jul 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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04/07/2023, 8:59 am - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
Addressing Parliament on the Ridout Road matter on Monday, 03 July, PM Lee said that he wanted a broader review that went beyond the legal question of whether there was criminal conduct.
“As PM, my duty is not just to be satisfied that legally there was no wrongdoing, but whether - quite apart from the law - there was any other kind of misconduct or impropriety” he said. PM Lee emphasised that “this Government has not, and will never, tolerate any compromise or departure from the stringent standards of honesty, integrity and incorruptibility that Singaporeans have come to expect of us.”
The debate came after weeks of public speculation on the circumstances by which both Law and Home Affairs Minister Mr Shanmugam and Foreign Minister Dr Balakrishnan came to rent the bungalows at 26 and 31 Ridout Road respectively.
Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong also delivered a ministerial statement in Parliament yesterday (3 July). In his statement, Mr Tong told Parliament the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) adhered to its internal processes and standards in the marketing, valuation and leasing of the two colonial black-and-white bungalows.
π¬ *What are your views on PM Lee and Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong’s statements delivered in Parliament yesterday (3 July)?*
π *Managing agent had discretion on how to market properties*
Mr Tong said there was no requirement for all residential state properties available for rent to be listed on the State Property Information Online (SPIO) portal in 2018 and 2019. Instead, SLA and its managing agents had discretion on how to best market the properties to maximise occupancy, including whether to list the properties they managed on the portal.
π *Valuation of black-and-whites*
On how black-and-white properties are valued, Mr Tong said a comparable property is considered, taking into account factors such as location, floor area and the property’s physical condition. The gross floor area (GFA), which represents the available live-in space for the tenant, is the “guiding component” in determining the rent, he said. This is because GFA usually has a larger impact on the marketability of the property, compared with land area. Other factors such as the property’s condition and location are also relevant, he added.
π *Consultants engaged to determine works for properties*
Mr Tong also elaborated on the works undertaken by SLA for both homes, which were gazetted as conservation properties in 1992. SLA invests a significant amount in upkeeping and maintaining such properties, owing to conservation requirements and restoration guidelines, he noted. He said the authority tries to undertake works in the lead-up to a confirmed tenancy to avoid disruptions for existing tenants and ensure the cost of works done can be recovered from a prospective tenant. External consultants were engaged to identify the necessary maintenance works for both properties, Mr Tong said.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/shanmugam-vivian-have-done-nothing-wrong-and-retain-his-full-confidence-pm-lee-on-ridout-road
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-acted-properly-in-renting-out-ridout-bungalows-to-ministers-on-reasonable-basis-edwin-tong
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ridout-road-sla-rent-black-white-bungalow-longer-lease-en-bloc-3602066
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04/07/2023, 9:01 am - +chan5956: firstly, there should not be any limelight on this matter as there are more pressing issues on hands, like discussing on COL and other national issues rather than debating on ministers accommodation.
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04/07/2023, 9:04 am - +Rama: This issue amongst many past others will forever be on the minds of the electorate.
04/07/2023, 9:41 am - +JC: yawnz. much ado about nothing.
04/07/2023, 9:41 am - +JC: please ask the ministers to focus on more relevant things
04/07/2023, 9:42 am - +JC: they are already getting millions in salaries - they can spend it however they like I don't care - just make sure they do a good job governing.
04/07/2023, 9:44 am - +Smiley face: "What more do we wish to clarify to the bottom of all things or after all, it's fine and we are done with all of it, enough... !"
- - anonymity
04/07/2023, 9:46 am - +Frankie Wee: Life is short what to do saving millions dollars π΅
04/07/2023, 9:46 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: I think it's good that the gov came out to address the issues and answered all the questions. They also put in place further guards to prevent issues like this from happening again.
First there was Kate Spade, now Ridout. Hopefully, those in public office learn from them. Even though what's done is legal, it doesn't look quite right for public office bearers.
04/07/2023, 9:48 am - +Smiley face: ...more urgent issues of the known and the unknown of our microeconomies (growth), our livelihoods (jobs) and our well-beings (health)...
04/07/2023, 9:50 am - +Smiley face: Rite or not rite or not rite looking rite...so what is in-between?
Thank you.
04/07/2023, 9:51 am - +Smiley face: Both ministers have opened up their personal boundaries to explain why...
04/07/2023, 9:52 am - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/bzyiINL6b_c
04/07/2023, 9:52 am - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/DpFyH3jwGvo
04/07/2023, 10:09 am - +YT: The emphasis seems to be that there's not wrongdoing. However, the damage has been done. The millions of Singaporeans living in our small HDB flats would now wonder why there's such a large disparity between our leaders and ourselves. Granted that if they are not in government, they may (the word is 'may') have also been successful in their various fields, it is still inconceivable and difficult for the ordinary person-in-the-street to grasp this. This whole episode will further drive distrust and discontent amongst the people if not managed properly. It's a sad day for Singapore and an even sadder day for those who spun untruths to try and destabilize an already volatile situation. I hope good sense will prevail and that the majority of Singaporeans will see the bigger picture that we need trust between the people and the government and not to take what we have achieved together as a people for granted.
04/07/2023, 10:18 am - +Ken: Have money but cannot spend lol.. then how?
How often we see them in public π not easy to eat out without people peering.
04/07/2023, 10:18 am - +Terrie Wong: Aiyoh, enough is enough!
04/07/2023, 10:22 am - +Smiley face: It is always an honor and privilege to serve a nation of people. Our pioneer leaders have shown the way of putting one's self aside, do the rite things and forgo many life opportunities!...
04/07/2023, 10:34 am - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 10:34 am - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 10:35 am - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 10:53 am - +Rama: Give it away to charity
04/07/2023, 10:54 am - +Rama: They just never learn!
04/07/2023, 10:55 am - +Rama: Subsequent government started to disregard the founding father vision.
04/07/2023, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: Retrospective & Prospective:
1965
Economy ?
Land ?
Jobs ?
2023
Economy ✅
Land ?
Jobs ✅
2065
Economy ✅
Land ✅
Jobs ✅
04/07/2023, 11:00 am - +REACH: *Ridout Road review demonstrates 'stringent standards' set by PAP: PM Lee*
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ridout-road-pap-pm-lee-hsien-loong-stringent-standards-corruption-3602926
04/07/2023, 11:00 am - +Smiley face: It's a big topic summing-up into three tranches...
A glimpse of hope from the start into the future, it will come true!
A multiverse view...
04/07/2023, 11:01 am - +Smiley face: As for the folks who understandably may not fully accept these clear and at times touching facts would be embedded with more doubts as to why, whom, when, what and where on earth it started and ended!...
04/07/2023, 11:02 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: this is red herring. we've given so much power to our government that if they so wish, they can turn into something north korea! so we need to vote good people into government.
04/07/2023, 11:51 am - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
This is what Singaporeans hope for:-
1. Government integrity, clean, no corruption.
2. Win the trust of Singaporeans.
3. Competence to provide the best possible policies and solutions to the people.
4. Capable Ministers and Competent Civil Service.
I think this saga is a wake-up call to test the above markers and a relief the markers are intact.
The next hurdle is to put in place leadership transition and hopefully Singaporeans continue to vote for capable political leadership and keep our competent civil service intact.
Singapore is a tiny red dot.
Our margin of error and room for error is just too small.
Singaporeans as a whole have to keep a clear mind what lies ahead of us - and not let unnecessary distraction, allegations - derail us for building a good, prosperous and progressive Singapore ensuring all Singaporeans have an equitable opportunity for a good life.
04/07/2023, 12:08 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Going forward, getting talents to become MPs and Ministers will become more and more difficult and challenging - as the continuous scrutiny of the public, proliferation of social media, opposing forces will get more intense as reveal by this saga.
2. Greater emphasis on self sacrifice - such as drastic pay cut to be Ministers or MPs will become the norm as people do well in the both the public and private sectors.
3. Fostering the fighting spirits of our forefathers - the LKY and the 1st generation of PAP - with fiery passion for capable leadership talents to serve to keep Singapore going - become a critical task.
4. The future of Singapore is not all plain sailing - with the backdrop of geopolitical tension, global supply chain disruption, global warming and many other uncertainties that will threaten Singapore's development and growth.
5. Hence capable political leadership and a competent civil service - supported by the people become all the more important.
04/07/2023, 12:13 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 12:13 pm - +Rama: https://youtu.be/cTD4OXjyMgA
04/07/2023, 12:14 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Let our government continue to be the best in the world.
With trust, support and vote from Singaporeans - and keep us safe, secure, prosper, and progress together.
04/07/2023, 12:17 pm - +Ken: Minister K Shanmugam says it is “utterly false” that his son’s company was contracted by SLA to carry out works on the Ridout Road properties.
"You want to come after me, you come after me ... but leave my family alone," he says. Video: https://youtu.be/Sw048f5xu_I
Follow our live blog on the parliament debate: https://cna.asia/3pqDaaK
π tough…
04/07/2023, 12:20 pm - +~L: He really needs to stop taking it personally and not get baited.
04/07/2023, 12:20 pm - +Ken: When family is involved not many can be calm π
04/07/2023, 12:20 pm - +~L: He is employed to focus on the needs of Singapore and Singaporeans.
04/07/2023, 12:21 pm - +~L: Sure, but it's what he gets paid to do.
04/07/2023, 12:22 pm - +Ken: It’s been too much headline… and more people just keep using magnifying glass over the whole family π
04/07/2023, 12:22 pm - +~L: Should not stoke the fire, just get back to his job and this will all fade away.
04/07/2023, 12:23 pm - +~L: The more he denies it and gets angry , the more people will think there is truth in it.
04/07/2023, 12:24 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
When I say to be Ministers and MPs - means a drastic pay cut and deep self sacrifice is not a joke.
1. CEO pay can be $15 million, on average $11 million, $6 million - compare to PM about $2 million, Ministers about $1 million.
Top professionals be it a banker, surgeon, financial professional, IT professional etc can fetch more than the Ministers.
2. Top civil servants, and middle upper civil servants pay exceed MP pay.
Senior directors in GLCs, private sectors easily fetch more than an MP.
3. Hence political leadership such as Ministers and MPs are getting "peanut" - though million sounds like alot.
They are top executives with one of the lowest pay in the context of Singapore.
4. Thus political leadership must be mindful that tremendous self sacrifice in terms of pay cut and public scrutiny will be the sacrifice and must be face with grit and selfless devotion to serve Singapore.
04/07/2023, 12:30 pm - +~L: $1m is a lot and it's public money. CEOs that get more are getting private money.
04/07/2023, 12:30 pm - +~L: I'm OK with big salaries for Ministers as long as they earn it and behave ethically.
04/07/2023, 12:31 pm - +~L: It's not all about the money anyway, right?
04/07/2023, 12:49 pm - +Frankie Wee: Standard level wage in Singapore imbalance when you see govt salary and private sector millions dollars
While local $1k to $2k earn and spent on inflation much higher.
04/07/2023, 12:49 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
It is not all about money, it is about personal sacrifice, family sacrifice, thankless job and wilful witch hunt.
Ministers and MPs must possess "immense selfless" disposition to serve all Singaporeans knowing it will be a thankless jobs - to keep everyone safe, secure and prosperous.
If Ministers and MPs are lucky, people will say thank you, good jobs.
But prepare for the worst such as this saga - it is part of the sacrifices, hazardous journey that come with the job of a Minister and MP.
So a talented leader is not good enough, he/she must possess the mental character of a steel unmatch by many people.
04/07/2023, 12:49 pm - +Rama: π³π
04/07/2023, 12:52 pm - +Frankie Wee: Fair wage and fair buy or sell
When you have little earn then money will hurt you.
04/07/2023, 12:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/minimum-wage-laws-singapore/
04/07/2023, 12:59 pm - +Rama: Yes
04/07/2023, 1:01 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Minimum wages kill the business, the economy and the jobs - as it does not take into account contributions, productivity and economic output.
Pwm take into account industry salary norm, contributions, productivity and economic output - and bring higher income to workers.
Hence a good leader will choose pwm over minimum wages as pwm commensurate with sound economic fundamentals. <This message was edited>
04/07/2023, 2:00 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
Addressing Parliament on the Ridout Road matter on Monday, 03 July, PM Lee said that he wanted a broader review that went beyond the legal question of whether there was criminal conduct.
“As PM, my duty is not just to be satisfied that legally there was no wrongdoing, but whether - quite apart from the law - there was any other kind of misconduct or impropriety” he said. PM Lee emphasised that “this Government has not, and will never, tolerate any compromise or departure from the stringent standards of honesty, integrity and incorruptibility that Singaporeans have come to expect of us.”
The debate came after weeks of public speculation on the circumstances by which both Law and Home Affairs Minister Mr Shanmugam and Foreign Minister Dr Balakrishnan came to rent the bungalows at 26 and 31 Ridout Road respectively.
Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong also delivered a ministerial statement in Parliament yesterday (3 July). In his statement, Mr Tong told Parliament the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) adhered to its internal processes and standards in the marketing, valuation and leasing of the two colonial black-and-white bungalows.
π¬ *What are your views on PM Lee and Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong’s statements delivered in Parliament yesterday (3 July)?*
π *Managing agent had discretion on how to market properties*
Mr Tong said there was no requirement for all residential state properties available for rent to be listed on the State Property Information Online (SPIO) portal in 2018 and 2019. Instead, SLA and its managing agents had discretion on how to best market the properties to maximise occupancy, including whether to list the properties they managed on the portal.
π *Valuation of black-and-whites*
On how black-and-white properties are valued, Mr Tong said a comparable property is considered, taking into account factors such as location, floor area and the property’s physical condition. The gross floor area (GFA), which represents the available live-in space for the tenant, is the “guiding component” in determining the rent, he said. This is because GFA usually has a larger impact on the marketability of the property, compared with land area. Other factors such as the property’s condition and location are also relevant, he added.
π *Consultants engaged to determine works for properties*
Mr Tong also elaborated on the works undertaken by SLA for both homes, which were gazetted as conservation properties in 1992. SLA invests a significant amount in upkeeping and maintaining such properties, owing to conservation requirements and restoration guidelines, he noted. He said the authority tries to undertake works in the lead-up to a confirmed tenancy to avoid disruptions for existing tenants and ensure the cost of works done can be recovered from a prospective tenant. External consultants were engaged to identify the necessary maintenance works for both properties, Mr Tong said.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/shanmugam-vivian-have-done-nothing-wrong-and-retain-his-full-confidence-pm-lee-on-ridout-road
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-acted-properly-in-renting-out-ridout-bungalows-to-ministers-on-reasonable-basis-edwin-tong
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ridout-road-sla-rent-black-white-bungalow-longer-lease-en-bloc-3602066
04/07/2023, 2:06 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. One more issue that is left hanging.
2. There are 600 black and white bungalows.
The question is why SLA don't maintain them so that it is habitable and rentable.
3. To do some computation taking the basic renovation cost as a reference.
Shangmugan One Bungalow cost $500,000 renovation to be habitable.
Vivian spend $200,000.
4. Taking an average, $350,000 will be required for renovation for each bungalow x 600 = $210 million.
5. Some people say why SLA didn't do a good job of not maintaining all the bungalows so that it becomes habitable.
6. The reasons are:-
a. To renovate using $210 million one time to make the bungalows habitable is a huge sum of tax payers money which can be make for good use in other areas.
This is not to mention monthly maintenance.
Also no guarantee that all bungalows can be successfully rented out because it cost $19,000 to $26,500 per month.
Not many tenants in Singapore can afford or willing to pay this amount.
Hence SLA leaving the bungalows alone until someone express interest make more sense.
The renovation for rented out bungalow will then be jointly covered by the tenant and SLA - which will not eat into fiscal budget but instead contribute to the government coffer from the monthly rental. <This message was edited>
04/07/2023, 2:08 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
7. Now with the senior Mos statement that SLA is looking into longer tenants of 30 to 60 years lease to make rental more tenable - the chances of more bungalows being rented out to bring in more revenue to the government become possible.
04/07/2023, 2:20 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: That’s because SLA didn’t do a good job in maintenance.
If maintained consistently, the cost would not be so high.
Eg if roof leak and leak is patched up quickly, cost is only roof repair. If never repair, inner insulation spoil and need to repair. Wooden beams inside rot and need replacement.
The garden, if periodic maintenance done, trees and giant bushes would not need to be removed as they won’t hv chance to grow. Ground depressions filled up, no mosquitoes.
The poor state of the bungalows is evidence to me of poor mismanagement.
4 years no tenant? Marketing team not doing enough. Now gov say want to let a private master landlord manage the properties. At least gov now recognise that SLA is not doing a good job.
Although gov can’t say it, they are taking steps now to better manage Singapore’s assets.
04/07/2023, 2:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: Put out for resort and make attractive tourist and business profit by SLA
I agreed why SLA left unusually and poor maintenance
04/07/2023, 2:30 pm - +Rama: Is SLA duty bound as custodian to maintain state vacant properties?
04/07/2023, 2:34 pm - +Smiley face: 4 July, 2023
"Costs of Naintenance of Any Property"
"Either you minimally maintain or A&A your untenanted units or you wait for a confirmed tenant and starts your basic renovations or intensive maintenance?"
- - anonymity
Untenanted Property!
When a house is unused or empty for a long period of time, many items will start to disintegrate and eventually need either to be repaired or replaced. In extreme case, sometime it is wiser to let it go and letting your tenant manage the property.
These costs of maintenance are common and unavoidable for all property owners. The cost of replacing or repairing depends on the scope of work and the more property one owns will have a different dynamics and multipliers effect and so on.
The Industry practices for any residential rental property is to have a minimal living standards or the physical conditions of the property is good to move in.
In commercial property, the same requirements are a must (white goods and conditions) for business to commence with the least disruptions or "rent free" time to renovate to fit its business purposes.
For example, in Australia, the cost of labor is one factor for a high cost of maintenance, renovation or construction.
The landlord costs to build one unit of commercial retail real estate will cost more than $100,000 for a space of 150 square meter. Items include aircon, wiring, lightings, wifi wiring, windows and glass, shutters door.
It will cost more if it is a F&B unit and it is a common practice to engage in a 5yrs+5yrs or longer lease because of the high set up costs that the tenant will undertake to fit for business ops.
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04/07/2023, 2:36 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Only shows how badly some of the civil servants take their job responsibilities hahahaha
04/07/2023, 2:37 pm - +Rama: Some excuse will cover their incompetence!?
04/07/2023, 2:39 pm - +Ah Heng: hurh still about housing matters
04/07/2023, 2:39 pm - +Ah Heng: omg can we address the cost of living more .. hahahaha
04/07/2023, 2:40 pm - +Rama: Saving offer coming next month!
04/07/2023, 2:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: HDB black and white paper π
04/07/2023, 2:41 pm - +Smiley face: City living ?
Kampong living ?
Living in a developed country...
Living in a developing country...
Living in an underdeveloped country...
04/07/2023, 2:41 pm - +Ah Heng: is really watse of the millions dollars paid where they should focus on more impt matter
04/07/2023, 2:42 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It's addressing the attitude of civil service. Cost of living. Increase price lah. Don't need to think
04/07/2023, 2:42 pm - +Ah Heng: i wonder if oppo peole lived in such will there be such noise hur hur hur all all will say good ahhh they doing good job deserve to stay there ...helping sla to cover cost
04/07/2023, 2:42 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Agree department should close and save cost but they never think that way
04/07/2023, 2:43 pm - +Ah Heng: please lah wanna talk about civil service our is not bad already is shit stirring that politics
04/07/2023, 2:43 pm - +Ah Heng: where people stay why bother so much
04/07/2023, 2:43 pm - +Ah Heng: gosh
04/07/2023, 2:43 pm - +Ah Heng: president wanna stay hdb also public hoo ha add salt add pepper
04/07/2023, 2:44 pm - +Ah Heng: think about it this way where one want to stay is up to one issue
04/07/2023, 2:44 pm - +Ah Heng: did or did not received benefits quite subjectives
04/07/2023, 2:44 pm - +Ah Heng: i think someone mentioned aka those civil servants in banking den shoudl not have any banking account then
04/07/2023, 2:44 pm - +Rama: President stay hdb flat inconvenience other residents with constant security checks to go to their apartments!
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: those in nea better dun eat outside then in case accuse of conflict of interest
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hahaha we are rich ops reach. What's Good we highlight what's bad we need to show concern and help improve. Like I always ask my superior you want truth or politically correct answer
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Frankie Wee: HDB is a public housing
Ridout Road Housing is not public or SLA let minister to minister rental and take own accountable to pay renovations
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: those in mda better dun deal with digital stuff incase kenna accuse of conflict of interest
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: mai siao lah who the hell in todays world dun received benefit
04/07/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: even public people like us also received
04/07/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: but as minster i am dam sure they know where is the line to be drawn
04/07/2023, 2:46 pm - +Jimmy Chew: There's a china wall and I think if leave banking 3 years not in banking related company. So there are precautions taken for priveledge knowledge
04/07/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: if we wanna say about process please look at our public service hor dun shoot all the wayup to the top
04/07/2023, 2:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: SLA already know everyone minister wage maximum millionaires regardless need to pay thier own pocket out of money
04/07/2023, 2:47 pm - +Ah Heng: we should be glad that our not so call perfect govt is clean in many aspect ahhh
04/07/2023, 2:47 pm - +Rama: Recent court case fell flat on nea after evidence wrong doing was dismissed by judge as enforcement officer did not switch on bodycam in time to record actual evidence!
04/07/2023, 2:48 pm - +Rama: π€·♂️
04/07/2023, 2:48 pm - +Ah Heng: let's be grateful and ensure our minster are doing their real job instead hahahha ..... as long as in parliment
04/07/2023, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Don't sleep parliamentary proceedings!
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. My friend also went to court to show he paid his parking offence. Judge scolded the ministry for wasting court time
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Ah Heng: those shit stirrers well they should compensate to some state funds for wasting time and efforts by the whole parliament and divert these funds to the less well being citzens like the special kids / special needy etc
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: So to feedback is good for improvement
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Frankie Wee: SLA have an authority return land expire and sold to investment building.
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Not to bashing
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Rama: This they hide from electorate!?
04/07/2023, 2:49 pm - +Ah Heng: well this case had been shit stir to a bashing state
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: and is dam boring to day in day out hear about bnw
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: not happy go rent one
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: who is the guy that brought this up
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: he not happy go rent a bigger one
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: When can I said where is my money when HDB lease expire and return to SLA
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: go thru the process see is it fair
04/07/2023, 2:50 pm - +Ah Heng: ur money is in cpf hahahahaha
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: die already also cannot smell
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Zero
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: only your kid can have it
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: will not be zero wan lah
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: No value lease expire
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: the most they return you den ask u buy another hdb
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. I recall, every Ministry, every statutory board, every organ of state every year will have to do a big budget exercise.
2. Every civil servants, will have to help their department head, division head to work out their project budget while the respective heads work out the HR costs.
3. Fighting for budget and justifying for budget from MOF - is like life and death.
As someone say, don't think MOF is a "Money God".
If economy is good, tax revenue is good, asking for more budget is probably easier.
But when the economy is bad, asking MOF for more budget is like "squeezing blood from the stone".
4. During bad time, Minister of Finance say, all Ministries, Statutory Boards and Organ of States - take a 10% budget cut across the board.
5. Then all civil service staff will tear their hair "which project to cut, or which cost to cut".
6. Once, I recall all civil service staff got to cut their salary across the board during a bad recession.
7. So coming back to SLA to do monthly or yearly maintenance of all the 600 inhabitable bungalows.
Do you think the SLA chief is able to get the MOF to give them more budget to maintain the bungalows - when MOF need to request the President to release $100 billion to fight the covid pandemic?
8. The chances of SLA getting the maintenance budget is close to zero - because it is a low priority request.
9. How many rich people are there in Singapore to lease at $26,500 for a lease of only 6 years and need to spend $500,000 for renovation?
I will have rather buy a resale HDB 5 room flat in which I can own it for 99 years.
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: not so stupid to let u have 0
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Ah Heng: yes on paper is 0
04/07/2023, 2:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes that was why
04/07/2023, 2:52 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. LKY got good and GCT got good heart. Give them a roof. Next MP hmm it don't belong to you π
04/07/2023, 2:52 pm - +Ah Heng: but when 0 how they going to build more is a cycle -> citizens get money back in cpf, ask them buy new house -> use money to pay hdb / contracts -> hdb got more funds cizens die -> remaining go to kids / house sell -> go to kid and patial recovery by hdb etc etc
04/07/2023, 2:52 pm - +Rama: Supposedly RP K.J.
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Ah Heng: can add a I in RP .. RIP
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Jimmy Chew: You're only renting π
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: We live rental after HDB lese expire
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Ah Heng: tired of these opposition ... dam drain level now
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Ah Heng: no ink in there issue brought up
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We need if not all politically correct answer
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Ah Heng: also bring up those small coffee talk chat.. they gather there data intelligence in coffeeshop
04/07/2023, 2:53 pm - +Ah Heng: gone are the days we see real political argue ...
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Ah Heng: those very exciting one where it makes awe both sides able to put up a good reasoning fight
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Singaporean not stupid. They vote for the opposition who talk sense and facts
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Ah Heng: let's see
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: You have work so hard rising HDB pay off debt
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: If not, only we reach
04/07/2023, 2:54 pm - +Ah Heng: mark my words more oppo go in out downfall will accelerate
04/07/2023, 2:55 pm - +Ah Heng: like i say current is not perfect but better then others who oppose them and regionally or even globally
04/07/2023, 2:55 pm - +Ah Heng: history have shown us every country will have peak .. our peak is long gone
04/07/2023, 2:55 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We are smart πͺ haha hopefully not fluke like US choose Trump
04/07/2023, 2:56 pm - +Ah Heng: china peak is gone also there is another country that will catch us by surprise if we are not alert and ware to our region
04/07/2023, 2:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah agree but our kids too soft
04/07/2023, 2:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Don't work depending on parents
04/07/2023, 2:57 pm - +Ah Heng: we keep saying our kids and whatever etc generation is no good this and that
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Ah Heng: as public what are we going
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Ah Heng: ooo no boys cannot serve 2 years ns
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Ah Heng: why must our boys serve ns etc etc
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Even China now says all jobs are important
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Ah Heng: if everything depend on govt we deserve to be squeeze by them
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hahahaha π
04/07/2023, 2:58 pm - +Ah Heng: cos they need to open new sectors in the space of singapore to service our request
04/07/2023, 2:59 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah that's what's some in government says. Too bad you choose PAP..pay and pay
04/07/2023, 2:59 pm - +Ah Heng: they become a service desk to public complaints and unsatisfactory view
04/07/2023, 2:59 pm - +Ah Heng: choose hammer wait kenna hammer till prata also
04/07/2023, 2:59 pm - +Ah Heng: choose rp wait all become I .. rip .....
04/07/2023, 2:59 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah..if you don't then become like France
04/07/2023, 3:00 pm - +Ah Heng: France is in shambles now but surprise not much main media making the news
04/07/2023, 3:00 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Or maybe that's why Americans like Trump to be a dictator
04/07/2023, 3:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Riot and robber luxury goods
04/07/2023, 3:00 pm - +Ah Heng: china now is no better off also
04/07/2023, 3:01 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Democracy is too lax too much noise. Look at china and Russia and the other autocratic society. No problems
04/07/2023, 3:01 pm - +Ah Heng: thus global dynamics is changing every week
04/07/2023, 3:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: China look so clean and developed unbelievable how can USA war over issue
04/07/2023, 3:01 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hahahaha I just want my toilet paper to be the same price hahahaha
04/07/2023, 3:01 pm - +Ah Heng: we being the small one need to swift accordingly like a chameleon and pretend not to move so as to survive ...
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: instead our dear friends are throwing mud at hey he stay big house
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: got discount ahhh
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: son involved ahhh
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: family involved ahh
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: he built pool he built pool
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: CDC π
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Ah Heng: so if he is not building a pool but a shit pit will any one complaint ?
04/07/2023, 3:02 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: >Do you think the SLA chief is able to get the MOF to give them more budget to maintain the bungalows -
It's all about being able to justify the costs properly in a way that finance people can understand.
eg: possible termite attack in wooden support structures - $500 per month for inspection and treatment. To replace the timber and surrounding damages >$20K.
If we have "penny wise pound foolish" people in MOF, we're in trouble but I'm confident that we don't.
>9. How many rich people are there in Singapore to lease at $26,500 for a lease of only 6 years and need to spend $500,000 for renovation?
I would say 3500, and this is only from China.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/wealth/3500-high-net-worth-individuals-become-singapore-citizens-2023-most-china-report
04/07/2023, 3:03 pm - +Ah Heng: he build shit pit i cannot built unfair
04/07/2023, 3:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: They will ask why waste Money on shit pit hahahaha
04/07/2023, 3:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Maybe the place got toilet problems
04/07/2023, 3:04 pm - +Ah Heng: hahahahahah yeah maybe
04/07/2023, 3:04 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I remembered my new CEO came and I need to apply to increase the wattage of landed property because the wife wanted more equipment installed π±
04/07/2023, 3:04 pm - +Ah Heng: anyway is human nature -> low ranks will not be happy with upper ranks
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Ah Heng: lower ranks will always find fault with upper ranks
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Good that the CEO didn't last long. We didn't have to do it
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Ah Heng: that's how our energy is wasted
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Ah Heng: who dun do this kind of things
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Ah Heng: in mnc office we see tons
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Assumption I am happy with my superiors
04/07/2023, 3:05 pm - +Ah Heng: espically in todays market
04/07/2023, 3:06 pm - +Ah Heng: simplest wan is who work in office dun take stationary home hahahahaha
04/07/2023, 3:06 pm - +Jimmy Chew: This message was deleted
04/07/2023, 3:07 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Out of 10.. only one we don't like because Wayang and not strategic. Make us work to recover her stupidity
04/07/2023, 3:08 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I think Singaporeans are smart enough to know the wheat and the hay
04/07/2023, 3:22 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
China people don't go for 6 years lease colonial bungalows.
They go for high class condos or GCBs if they are new citizens.
04/07/2023, 3:22 pm - +Ah Heng: colonial houses are mainly by the whites (sorry) to say and a few asians
04/07/2023, 3:22 pm - +Ah Heng: but is a good idea that some of these bnw shoudl be let out as chalets ...
04/07/2023, 3:23 pm - +Ah Heng: refurbish it a little and it can be a goof weekend get away (minus the hotel rates gradings ahh)
04/07/2023, 3:23 pm - +Ah Heng: else always have to travel to the east den got banglows to stay hahahaha
04/07/2023, 3:25 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I do a short stay in the colonial bungalows - and my family members and my maid say -
"saya mahu buka lambu, tak boleh tiduk.
Malam ada hantu".
The creaking noise of the wooden corridor and staircase are scary.
The condition of those bungalows are exactly what the Ministers describe including the photos display.
The bungalows all look alike.
04/07/2023, 3:28 pm - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 3:28 pm - +Rama: Just like Indranee Rajah with Leong Mun Wai
04/07/2023, 3:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes
04/07/2023, 3:31 pm - +Ah Heng: they indeed are.. can be very scary and if sway will have extra occupants .... given is empty state for so long
04/07/2023, 3:33 pm - +Ah Heng: think to me is why the hell we barking on this issue like a batch of pubbies fighting over a shoe
04/07/2023, 3:33 pm - +Ah Heng: and when a new shoe is given there must be some puppy that stir shit and bite on another shoe
04/07/2023, 3:39 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Er. Why he bang table? Accidentally is it?
04/07/2023, 3:40 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Haha I didn't see this π
04/07/2023, 3:40 pm - +Jimmy Chew: What happened?
04/07/2023, 3:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Look like very upset over issue benefit
04/07/2023, 3:43 pm - +Rama: Purposely
04/07/2023, 3:43 pm - +Rama: Kena corner by PS
04/07/2023, 3:46 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
And when MOF is presented with the budget of:-
1. Vaccine against covid.
2. Test kit against covid.
3. Air defense against terrorism arty fire.
4. Cyber security against scam
5. Health subsidy against hospitalisation.
6. MRT maintenance against breakdown.
7. Worker support for jobs.
8. Support package for individuals against inflation.
9. Budget for bungalow maintenance - with no tenants.
As MOF - will 9 stand a chance - when your budget is limited?
If give 9, some people may die from covid, no hospital subsidy, people got no job, less household got support package against inflation, more people got scam etc.
04/07/2023, 3:47 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Lekas balek rumah.
04/07/2023, 3:51 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
If half of the bungalows can be lease out - it will be a big achievement whether renovated or not.
04/07/2023, 3:53 pm - +KL: This message was deleted
04/07/2023, 3:53 pm - +Rama: Have to renovate
04/07/2023, 3:56 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Anger is always not a good sign. anyone see his father angry in public? Firm yes but angry?
04/07/2023, 3:56 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Emotions take over his head hahahaha what is he trying to show?
04/07/2023, 3:57 pm - +Rama: PAP think parliament is their private playground!
04/07/2023, 3:57 pm - +Ah Heng: actually is not bang table lah
04/07/2023, 3:57 pm - +Ah Heng: is just hand amotion abit heavy
04/07/2023, 3:57 pm - +Ah Heng: his father have
04/07/2023, 3:58 pm - +Ah Heng: go see a rally where he got fired up with the passionate to ensure singapore do not fall into wrong hands at raffles place
04/07/2023, 3:58 pm - +Noraini: My husband had minor neck surgery. Some follow-up at polyclinic & NUH. Including today at NUH 3pm for diabetes.
Was surprised the paediatric asked to see foot (surgery done 2 years ago). So she re-read computer entry
She talk-talk, knock-knock on feet after 15 minutes of friendly talk refer us to counter C. We had to pay $78. At the kiosk Indian lady also same issue. Seeing professional for not her current issue.
Is this current operandi. Must be one reason why cost of living so high. Must be excuse for hospital to collect bill
04/07/2023, 3:58 pm - +Ah Heng: also dun forget how he stood up to the sq pilots with their demands .. he was pissed to the max where he just said fine wanna play , is ok i can fire all of you and re-empoly
04/07/2023, 3:59 pm - +Ah Heng: he is lky who say he angry
04/07/2023, 3:59 pm - +Ah Heng: hahahaha
04/07/2023, 3:59 pm - +Rama: Yes
04/07/2023, 4:00 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
Addressing Parliament on the Ridout Road matter on Monday, 03 July, PM Lee said that he wanted a broader review that went beyond the legal question of whether there was criminal conduct.
“As PM, my duty is not just to be satisfied that legally there was no wrongdoing, but whether - quite apart from the law - there was any other kind of misconduct or impropriety” he said. PM Lee emphasised that “this Government has not, and will never, tolerate any compromise or departure from the stringent standards of honesty, integrity and incorruptibility that Singaporeans have come to expect of us.”
The debate came after weeks of public speculation on the circumstances by which both Law and Home Affairs Minister Mr Shanmugam and Foreign Minister Dr Balakrishnan came to rent the bungalows at 26 and 31 Ridout Road respectively.
Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong also delivered a ministerial statement in Parliament yesterday (3 July). In his statement, Mr Tong told Parliament the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) adhered to its internal processes and standards in the marketing, valuation and leasing of the two colonial black-and-white bungalows.
π¬ *What are your views on PM Lee and Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong’s statements delivered in Parliament yesterday (3 July)?*
π *Managing agent had discretion on how to market properties*
Mr Tong said there was no requirement for all residential state properties available for rent to be listed on the State Property Information Online (SPIO) portal in 2018 and 2019. Instead, SLA and its managing agents had discretion on how to best market the properties to maximise occupancy, including whether to list the properties they managed on the portal.
π *Valuation of black-and-whites*
On how black-and-white properties are valued, Mr Tong said a comparable property is considered, taking into account factors such as location, floor area and the property’s physical condition. The gross floor area (GFA), which represents the available live-in space for the tenant, is the “guiding component” in determining the rent, he said. This is because GFA usually has a larger impact on the marketability of the property, compared with land area. Other factors such as the property’s condition and location are also relevant, he added.
π *Consultants engaged to determine works for properties*
Mr Tong also elaborated on the works undertaken by SLA for both homes, which were gazetted as conservation properties in 1992. SLA invests a significant amount in upkeeping and maintaining such properties, owing to conservation requirements and restoration guidelines, he noted. He said the authority tries to undertake works in the lead-up to a confirmed tenancy to avoid disruptions for existing tenants and ensure the cost of works done can be recovered from a prospective tenant. External consultants were engaged to identify the necessary maintenance works for both properties, Mr Tong said.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/shanmugam-vivian-have-done-nothing-wrong-and-retain-his-full-confidence-pm-lee-on-ridout-road
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-acted-properly-in-renting-out-ridout-bungalows-to-ministers-on-reasonable-basis-edwin-tong
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ridout-road-sla-rent-black-white-bungalow-longer-lease-en-bloc-3602066
04/07/2023, 4:00 pm - +Ah Heng: in this case the loud sound heard is not really bang but is more like ehhh u all shame anot ... after so many mths still on the same topic
04/07/2023, 4:00 pm - +Rama: Government giving but sucking at the same time
04/07/2023, 4:00 pm - +Ah Heng: hk drama already over by 2 -3 new serial we still on this topic su sa lah we all
04/07/2023, 4:01 pm - +Rama: π³ππ€·♂️π
04/07/2023, 4:02 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/suicides-reported-singapore-476-2022-highest-more-20-years-3597791?cid=telegram_cna_social_28112017_cna
Dr Jared Ng, senior consultant and medical director at Connections MindHealth, said that the "unprecedented rise in suicide numbers in Singapore is profoundly heartbreaking".
"This increase paints a picture of the unseen mental distress permeating our society, especially amongst our youths and the elderly,"
04/07/2023, 4:02 pm - +Ah Heng: wonder why oppo dun bring up such topic
04/07/2023, 4:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: Suffer depression or mental health issue
04/07/2023, 4:02 pm - +Ah Heng: this is is worthy to look at
04/07/2023, 4:02 pm - +Ah Heng: why are people in singapore self destructing
04/07/2023, 4:03 pm - +Ah Heng: wait no this one is not news for them
04/07/2023, 4:03 pm - +Ah Heng: and is not shit stirring enuff to make the public sing with them
04/07/2023, 4:03 pm - +Ah Heng: depression and mental health for all to know happens at primary school level also
04/07/2023, 4:04 pm - +Ah Heng: so if not well address we are loosing our young to a sickness which we can and could have win instead of barking over a house
04/07/2023, 4:04 pm - +Ah Heng: to lead must have foresight not only passionate to stir shit
04/07/2023, 4:04 pm - +Ah Heng: wanna stir always please have some substance like the old oppo
04/07/2023, 4:05 pm - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 4:06 pm - +Ah Heng: and do we want a generation of 3% of youth living on mental medications?
04/07/2023, 4:06 pm - +Ken: So high? π
04/07/2023, 4:06 pm - +Frankie Wee: Since begin Covid-19 circuit breaker they are over stress and depression
04/07/2023, 4:07 pm - +Ken: This is like every week 2 young people at least
04/07/2023, 4:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: 2023 so high why ppl suicides π€π€π€
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +KL: Cos of inflation <This message was edited>
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +KL: Low wage
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +Rama: Family issues, work problems etc
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +Frankie Wee: Because the f heart break up π π
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +KL: Frankly I think all is inter linked
04/07/2023, 4:08 pm - +Ah Heng: in short social cracks face by one
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Ah Heng: that forces one to the wall
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Ah Heng: and is all linked
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Rama: Being ostracized from Family and society
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: Or money problem
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Ah Heng: no money -> family sure to be unhappy and that pressure is the worst note we talking about not even able to provide the basic needs kind
04/07/2023, 4:09 pm - +Ah Heng: is a very very very sad case
04/07/2023, 4:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: They should attention social helper instead self centred
04/07/2023, 4:11 pm - +Ah Heng: 2 social pressure (youths and kids) mainly because of being single out as the odd one (too good in study or too bad or not wealthy enuff to up keep with their peers) or not being hype enuff to take part in the so call friendship activities
04/07/2023, 4:12 pm - +Rama: Including cyber bullying
04/07/2023, 4:12 pm - +Ah Heng: this is the most latest and toxic trend in youth now
04/07/2023, 4:12 pm - +Ah Heng: to them they see it as fun
04/07/2023, 4:13 pm - +Rama: π³ππ€¦♂️π’
04/07/2023, 4:14 pm - +Rama: Penalty and education must be strengthened
04/07/2023, 4:14 pm - +Ah Heng: ask the public lor cos am sure some oppo mp will stir shit again
04/07/2023, 4:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: Or victims lost money by scam they left nothing save money and going to give up livelihood
04/07/2023, 4:15 pm - +Ah Heng: yeah
04/07/2023, 4:15 pm - +Ah Heng: scan is another pain in the butt
04/07/2023, 4:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: 80 years man lost all his CPF saving someone scam
04/07/2023, 4:16 pm - +Ah Heng: couple with human trafficking's to faciliate the scam ops
04/07/2023, 4:16 pm - +Ah Heng: why are we the ones thinking and able to list all these while our dear oppo keep talking shit on national level
04/07/2023, 4:17 pm - +Ah Heng: should we reach channel take those opposition pay instead for taking part in such social matters hahahahaha
04/07/2023, 4:17 pm - +Rama: Daughter click on link and father looses 120K cpf life savings
04/07/2023, 4:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/more-s120000-cpf-savings-lost-new-scam-targeting-android-users-video-3595301
04/07/2023, 4:19 pm - +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/ho-ching-suggests-slas-guide-rent-approach-may-not-be-the-best-way-to-manage-black-and-white-bungalows/
04/07/2023, 4:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: How do it feeling lost money and no saving where he can seek helping but money can’t return.
04/07/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Diabetes will cause foot rot.
If foot rot, the foot have to be amputated.
Diabetes also got to check the eyes, because the condition of the eyes indicates whether diabetes is imminent or not.
Of course blood test is the best test for diabetes.
Regulate the food intake - by eating less sugar, less rice, but more vegetables and more protein meat.
04/07/2023, 4:22 pm - +Rama: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ridout-road-parliamentary-debate-sla-studying-longer-leases-black-and-white-bungalows-due-challenge-finding-tenants-2203826
04/07/2023, 4:23 pm - +Ken: Ho ching so free come out to poke lol
04/07/2023, 4:24 pm - +Rama: Management of temasek foundation gives her a lot of free time!
04/07/2023, 4:24 pm - +Ken: Her husband already so pissed at this issue… now she come stir someMore π€£π€£
04/07/2023, 4:25 pm - +Rama: Husband cannot control her!?
04/07/2023, 4:25 pm - +Ken: Cannot find leh
04/07/2023, 4:26 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I think her suggestion worth consideration by SLA.
It certainly has merits. <This message was edited>
04/07/2023, 4:30 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
If diabetes set in, he will have to undergo permanent course of medication to control the diabetes.
Just like chloresterol, once confirmed need statin as permanent course to manage the chloresterol level.
Diabetes, chloresterol are considered critical illness that need proper medication and regular doctor consultation.
Some doctors in REACH can verify if the comments are accurate.
04/07/2023, 4:33 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 4:33 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 4:34 pm - +Ken: Where to find the article she wrote about this?
04/07/2023, 4:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sugar level case
04/07/2023, 4:34 pm - +Ken: Sad but true…
04/07/2023, 4:37 pm - +Rama: The Independent sg
04/07/2023, 4:37 pm - +Ken: Err consider official channel meh… lol
04/07/2023, 4:37 pm - +Rama: She should run SLA
04/07/2023, 4:37 pm - +Rama: Nope
04/07/2023, 4:38 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I repeat the video a few times.
Wonder where on earth did he bang the table?
The caption is a lie?
04/07/2023, 4:38 pm - +Ken: He did
04/07/2023, 4:38 pm - +Ken: I watch the parliamentary hearing
04/07/2023, 4:40 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
One more factor that I will want to add to the sacrifices that Ministers and MPs must inherit - they must look like a saint, sounds like a saint, flawless in speech and actions.
04/07/2023, 4:42 pm - +Rama: Wait long long!
04/07/2023, 4:42 pm - +Ken: <Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 4:43 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I ask myself can I be like a Saint?
I honestly tell the forum - I can't.
I sometimes also lose my temper when I encounter unreasonable people or demand.
Hence I can't be a public figure be it a live streaming influencer, actor or a politician.
So it is better for me to be a recluse REACH keyboard warrior.
04/07/2023, 4:43 pm - +Rama: Yup
04/07/2023, 4:44 pm - +Ken: More like putting the hand down a bit louder π€£
04/07/2023, 4:45 pm - +Noraini: Lky scold Dr Ahmad Mattar on tv
04/07/2023, 4:45 pm - +Ken: How you twist the facts.. lol and adjust the volume π€£
04/07/2023, 4:45 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Wonder who are saints who have never bang a table, lose the temper, scold anyone, never frown - always look serene, calm, dignified, smile, look friendly like a Saint?
Come across anyone who are like that?
Honestly I have never in my lifetime.
04/07/2023, 4:46 pm - +Rama: Any footage or text recordings!?
04/07/2023, 4:52 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
But this will means current tenants that pay $19,000, $26,500 etc bang their chest - if rental guide price is removed.
Imagine they discover the bungalow next door rented out for $500 per month.
Hati sakit.
04/07/2023, 4:52 pm - +Rama: Let Ho Ching decide!
04/07/2023, 4:53 pm - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/M-3Z4lVbQ0M
04/07/2023, 4:58 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Unless SLA willing to make some compensation to the current tenants by extending the lease.
Then Mdm Ho Ching suggestions will be viable.
At the same time, more bungalows can be rented out and the bungalows will not crumbled due to no maintenance.
Her suggestion is certainly better than asking MOF for more budget to maintain the bungalows when no tenants is keen to take up due to high rental cost and high maintenance but short lease.
Even if lease is extended to 30 years or 60 years - the tenant pool is very small.
How many on earth earn so much or willing to pay so much to stay in a $19,000 or $26,500 a month century old almost falling apart bungalows?
For lower rent, the lease can be shorter.
04/07/2023, 5:01 pm - +Rama: Food for thought
04/07/2023, 5:02 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
But to be a flawless Saint - only with Perfect Mindfulness can a flawless Saint emerge.
1. Perfect Mindfulness in Thought (every single thought).
2. Perfect Mindfulness in Speech (anchor on every single thought).
3. Perfect Mindfulness in Action (anchor on every single thought).
Ashamedly, I far from perfect...
04/07/2023, 5:03 pm - +Rama: Only a handful of mankind throughout the centuries qualify
04/07/2023, 5:04 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Fingers can count.
Sadly I am not one.
04/07/2023, 5:05 pm - +Rama: Likewise
04/07/2023, 5:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: You're funny
04/07/2023, 5:12 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Hahaha...
04/07/2023, 5:13 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We all can run for MP. Only question is whether people will vote for us. Haha in Rome, the ultimate was pigs for all
04/07/2023, 5:14 pm - +Rama: π³just like the fourth guy running for president of Singapore and want to be commander in chief of saf and the marine corps!?
04/07/2023, 5:15 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Fourth guy?
Which one?
04/07/2023, 5:15 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Education can either make us humble citizens or arrogant like what Americans are heading too. Belief in conspiracy theories
04/07/2023, 5:16 pm - +Rama: Saw the clip on tik tok
04/07/2023, 5:17 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I thought only got 3.
The 3rd one a teacher who claims he is an ex president in 1951.
He was born in 1952.
04/07/2023, 5:17 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
<Media omitted>
04/07/2023, 5:20 pm - +Rama: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLSts9g2/
04/07/2023, 5:21 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Oh interesting.
04/07/2023, 5:21 pm - +Rama:
Blady clown!
04/07/2023, 5:21 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Hahaha...
04/07/2023, 5:22 pm - +Rama: One extra public holiday!
04/07/2023, 5:24 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I still wonder will there be a contest.
So far only 1 candidate qualified outright.
1 pending - as it is not an outright qualified candidate.
Look like the other 2 is for charade.
04/07/2023, 5:24 pm - +Rama: Depending on the outcome of eligibility criteria
04/07/2023, 5:31 pm - +Smiley face: Repurpose of the B&W Bungalows?
"Opens up to anyone to enjoy and to experience the B&W days?"
- - anonymity
Imagining:
For commercial or tourism purposes. Ranging from $1,000/ nite with breakfast for the smallest B&W and up to $5,000/ nite for the big B&W. Minimum stay of two nites.
For corporate functions or retreats use.
For Michelin Stars F&B use.
How about full or partial services from chef to chauffeur in each of these B&W houses?
04/07/2023, 5:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Nice
04/07/2023, 5:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Anyone can enjoy it’s great
04/07/2023, 5:33 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It all depends on the civil servants working. Doing nothing is safer,π
04/07/2023, 5:34 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
And the compensation to this 3 Foundation of Perfect Mindfulness is "Perfect Heart".
Our Leaders have achieved! <This message was edited>
04/07/2023, 5:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: May I have reward π
04/07/2023, 5:37 pm - +Frankie Wee: I am kidding I don’t want reward
I would love to share and heard voice suggestions.
04/07/2023, 5:37 pm - +Smiley face: Repurpose and meaningful Ideas presented tastefully to our tourists, what is our heritage and our history!
It will be an extension of the Raffles Hotel...
Lastly, a good source of income for SLA or its partners.
04/07/2023, 5:42 pm - +Smiley face: In any situation, especially challenging ones, do look for symmetric or asymmetric advantages; size up the circumstances and redesign or replan and move forward! There are always ways out of it!
04/07/2023, 5:47 pm - +Smiley face: "cannot die die sitting there! "
(“δΈθ½ζ»ζ»εε¨ι£ι！”)
04/07/2023, 5:59 pm - +Smiley face: Tourists' Attractions?
Besides shoppings, gamings, theme parks and concerts...
Shanghai has the Bund,...
Beijing has the Forbidden City,...
Cameron Highlands has the Cottages,...
Pattaya has the Resorts,...
Bali has the Villas,...
We have our B&W "heritage & historical theme" houses too!
04/07/2023, 6:00 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
Addressing Parliament on the Ridout Road matter on Monday, 03 July, PM Lee said that he wanted a broader review that went beyond the legal question of whether there was criminal conduct.
“As PM, my duty is not just to be satisfied that legally there was no wrongdoing, but whether - quite apart from the law - there was any other kind of misconduct or impropriety” he said. PM Lee emphasised that “this Government has not, and will never, tolerate any compromise or departure from the stringent standards of honesty, integrity and incorruptibility that Singaporeans have come to expect of us.”
The debate came after weeks of public speculation on the circumstances by which both Law and Home Affairs Minister Mr Shanmugam and Foreign Minister Dr Balakrishnan came to rent the bungalows at 26 and 31 Ridout Road respectively.
Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong also delivered a ministerial statement in Parliament yesterday (3 July). In his statement, Mr Tong told Parliament the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) adhered to its internal processes and standards in the marketing, valuation and leasing of the two colonial black-and-white bungalows.
π¬ *What are your views on PM Lee and Second Minister for Law Edwin Tong’s statements delivered in Parliament yesterday (3 July)?*
π *Managing agent had discretion on how to market properties*
Mr Tong said there was no requirement for all residential state properties available for rent to be listed on the State Property Information Online (SPIO) portal in 2018 and 2019. Instead, SLA and its managing agents had discretion on how to best market the properties to maximise occupancy, including whether to list the properties they managed on the portal.
π *Valuation of black-and-whites*
On how black-and-white properties are valued, Mr Tong said a comparable property is considered, taking into account factors such as location, floor area and the property’s physical condition. The gross floor area (GFA), which represents the available live-in space for the tenant, is the “guiding component” in determining the rent, he said. This is because GFA usually has a larger impact on the marketability of the property, compared with land area. Other factors such as the property’s condition and location are also relevant, he added.
π *Consultants engaged to determine works for properties*
Mr Tong also elaborated on the works undertaken by SLA for both homes, which were gazetted as conservation properties in 1992. SLA invests a significant amount in upkeeping and maintaining such properties, owing to conservation requirements and restoration guidelines, he noted. He said the authority tries to undertake works in the lead-up to a confirmed tenancy to avoid disruptions for existing tenants and ensure the cost of works done can be recovered from a prospective tenant. External consultants were engaged to identify the necessary maintenance works for both properties, Mr Tong said.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/shanmugam-vivian-have-done-nothing-wrong-and-retain-his-full-confidence-pm-lee-on-ridout-road
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-acted-properly-in-renting-out-ridout-bungalows-to-ministers-on-reasonable-basis-edwin-tong
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ridout-road-sla-rent-black-white-bungalow-longer-lease-en-bloc-3602066
04/07/2023, 6:01 pm - +Rama: We have a lot of non historical tourists attractions created artificially
04/07/2023, 6:07 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
As long as the "Heart" is at the right place.
04/07/2023, 6:10 pm - +YT: Singapore got Marine Corps meh?
04/07/2023, 6:11 pm - +Rama: Marine Paradeπ
04/07/2023, 6:12 pm - +YT: PM Lee summarized it very well and gave his rationale on why the CPIB was activated. I felt very reassured by his speech. Likewise for Minister Tong's speech.
04/07/2023, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
04/07/2023, 6:57 pm - +Smiley face: 4 July, 2023
"What more do we wish to clarify to the bottom of all things or after all, it's fine and we are done with all of it, enough... ?"
- - anonymity
Private vs Public?
It is always an honor and privilege to serve a nation of people. Our pioneer leaders have shown the way of putting one self aside, do the rite things and forgo many life opportunities! Put aside the self and serve the public. Was it a personal circumstances/choice or was it a trade-off that is to drop one's high flying career to serve a nation? It is the will, the beliefs and the conviction of a person regardless of her/his station in life to seek for a better tomorrow, one for all, isn't it rite?
Both ministers have opened up their personal boundaries to explain why they chose to rent a house. Each situation has its unique family circumstances and as reasonable thinking humans, we should comprehend, accept and move onto more urgent issues of the known and the unknown of our microeconomies (growth), our livelihoods (jobs) and our well-beings (health).
As for the folks who understandably may not fully accept these clear and at times touching facts would be embedded with more doubts as to why, whom, when, what and where on earth it started and ended!
Put aside the proposition and the opposition; the in-between is perhaps opinions (this) and views (that) of many things that happened in life. The key point is to give our trust and we must come together as one regardless of doubts or anxieties or unhappiness because many things will eventually sort itself out and resolve; have Trust !
Afterwords:
"cannot die die sitting there!
(“δΈθ½ζ»ζ»εε¨ι£ι！”)
In any situation, especially challenging ones, do look for symmetric or asymmetric advantages; size up the circumstances and redesign or replan and move forward! There are always ways out of it! "
- - anonymity
Repurpose of the B&W Bungalows?
"Opens up to anyone to enjoy and to experience the B&W days?"
- - anonymity
Tourists' Attractions?
Besides shoppings, gamings, theme parks and concerts...
Shanghai has the Bund,...
Beijing has the Forbidden City,...
Cameron Highlands has the Cottages,...
Pattaya has the Resorts,...
Bali has the Villas,...
We have our B&W "heritage & historical theme" houses too! It will be an extension of the Raffles Hotel experience coupled with our SIA brand of service excellence! A new way of using what we have in our hands to the fullest and meaningful too. That's uniquely SG!
Imagining?
For commercial or tourism purposes. Ranging from $1,000/ nite with breakfast for the smallest B&W and up to $5,000/ nite for the big B&W. Minimum stay of two nites.
For corporate functions or retreats use.
For Michelin Stars F&B use.
How about full or partial services from personal chef to your chauffeur in each of these B&W houses?
- - in progress - -
04/07/2023, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
04/07/2023, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
04/07/2023, 7:03 pm - +REACH: *[For Info]*
1.5 million Singaporeans will be receiving GSTV - Cash and Medisave top-ups in Aug 2023, totalling $1.2 billion. For more info, please visit the GSTV official website - https://www.gstvoucher.gov.sg
04/07/2023, 7:03 pm - +REACH: <Media omitted>
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