REACH 448 - What are your views on the points raised during the debates on the President's Address? How can we continue to uphold values like participation, integrity and inclusivity in our political process?
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24 Apr 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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[10:15 am, 24/04/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
As the debate on the President's Address wrapped up in Parliament last week, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that there is no place for populism and political opportunism in Singapore, citing the division and polarisation that has taken root in developed democracies abroad.
“If you look at many of these countries, populism has taken root and populism has damaged greatly their societies, divided and polarised their people,” he said, explaining that populism is politics that distorts the facts for political advantage and will damage Singapore in the long term.
π¬ What are your views on the points raised during the debates on the President's Address? How can we continue to uphold values like participation, integrity and inclusivity in our political process?
Key takeaways from the debates are as follows:
π No place for populism, political opportunism in S’pore
Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that the Government rejects populism and upholds honesty and integrity in policymaking, adding that the Government and the Opposition should call each other out if either should fall short of these standards.
Earlier on Monday, DPM Wong had called on the opposition to offer a serious alternative agenda and be upfront about the trade-offs, instead of putting forth opportunistic or populist ideas that chip away at trust in the Government.
Mr Singh agreed with DPM Wong that calling each other out ought to work both ways, but noted that variations of the Worker's Party's policies - such as anti-discrimination legislation, minimum wage and redundancy insurance - were being considered by the Government.
π English proficiency valued but it should not be sole criterion for new citizenship applications
“The knowledge of English at the working level, while helpful, should not be a defining or indeed a limiting factor, which might happen if you introduce it as a test, as a single point test,” Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Edwin Tong said. The minister also said that an English test may not be the best marker of an applicant’s ability to integrate in Singapore.
He pointed to the country’s immigration framework, which was “tightened significantly in 2009”, that considers a broader range of factors, including family ties to Singapore, whether the applicant has studied here or has done National Service. These other factors would be “equally, if not perhaps in some cases, more effective” as a marker of integration.
Mr Tong noted that the Constitution currently states that one of the markers for naturalisation is working knowledge of any of the four official languages.
π Being more open with data
The Government should become more open to releasing data, and not be dismissive or “breezily” use national security or sensitivity as reasons for withholding information without good reason, said Leader of the Opposition Mr Pritam Singh.
In moving this motion on the debate on the President’s Address, Mr Murali Pillai (Bukit Batok) had said that the “nature of the electorate is changing and today, a new generation is emerging”.
Mr Singh said Singaporeans seek a fairer, more inclusive and more caring society, and greater openness with sharing information will be fundamental to a refreshed social compact.
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π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/english-test-new-citizens-pr-applications-pritam-singh-edwin-tong-3436806
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[10:19 am, 24/04/2023] +Liangwei: 1) Give due credit to each other. Eg if WP suggests a good idea , do give credit n vice versa. It will build a nicer culture. By all means call out n debate
2) Greater transparency of data is helpful. The default should be release of data unless there are clear reasons not to do so.
[10:21 am, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Ruling party will never do away gutter politics!
[10:29 am, 24/04/2023] +~L: "offer a serious alternative agenda and be upfront about the trade-offs, instead of putting forth opportunistic or populist ideas that chip away at trust in the Government." - definitely agree.
One solution is to encourage constructive critical thinking in Singapore. The opposition, I think,is falling back on easy, time-proven techniques to appeal to emotional instincts, because they need to feel relevant. Building an opposition in Singapore will take a very long time and should focus on trust and not quick wins.
[10:29 am, 24/04/2023] +~L: Agreed
[10:31 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: only in an idea world will one party give praise to another
[10:31 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: politics is like class room -> which top student will want to see the competitor fare better?
[10:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: even in the great land of the freedom see the way the 2 parties bitch about one another .. is a good example politics will never be fair nor clean .. thus whatever rubbish freedom and democracy ... they claim, a country govt good or no good is how the society well being is
[10:38 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: populism, political opportunism -> seems like is the only tactic use by the opposition on the face they voicing out for the people, does the current winning care yes but not that much cos whatever they do will be condemned by the people (which is natural as life has shown whoever is in power will have another voice of discomfort around)
[10:40 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: English proficiency valued but it should not be sole criterion for new citizenship applications -> i agree on this looked at those who can speak english of native english speaking countries or from india. are they willing to follow the practices' of when in room behave like Roman? NO and yes is a strong no here cos socially we can see how many of these people try to inject their culture and way of life back home into our society (this is very disgusting and self center mindset).
[10:41 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: a good example from a certain website in singapore some of these so call indians will state their last name while looking for jobs or rent of housing in singapore.. this is part of their screw up mindset that hey in india my last name belong to a upper class thus society have to give me face and priority, while the whites many will see asia as a place where they are one notch up
[10:42 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: just like how us cannot stand to see a an asian countries better than them not to mentioned they might not be even happy to see a EU country better than them
[10:42 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: thus the more important aspect is the ability to merge with the society where one is going to work or migrate the roots of the family
[10:43 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: Being more open with data -> depending lah certain data cannot any how release
[10:43 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: like in a company only top mgt will have access to the most sensitive data.
[10:44 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so is natural to understand some data will be keep away from public eye, what good does it do for the public with these data more gossip on the ground? the fine pick more bones?
[10:45 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: also are these data really the data or had been tweak ..... which is common in todays world
[10:45 am, 24/04/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Agreed.
And if WP (or anyone in parliament for that matter) asks for data to be revealed, just reveal the data. Don't tell us why it is not relevant in 101 different ways and wasting everyone's time. Just reveal the data and let us be the judge if it is relevant or not.
[10:46 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: I don’t think any country will lump citizen with PR :))
[10:52 am, 24/04/2023] +SL: Populists promote the homogeneous group of “A” vs. “B” and the antagonistic relationship between both groups will affect the society's unity and divide those within society π±
[10:54 am, 24/04/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Am quite certain that the person asking for data in parliament is not silly enough to ask for data to be made public that can harm the security of singapore. If it is, perhaps the data can be shared with the person in private and the person shares with us us a sanitised version of the facts.
[11:01 am, 24/04/2023] +SL: What type of data cannot get from Statistics Singapore? Micro or macro data for policy suggestion formulation?
The following form is available.
https://www.singstat.gov.sg/our-services-tools-surveys/statistical-enquiries/data-request-form
[11:02 am, 24/04/2023] +SL: The faq mentioned:
Frequently Asked Questions
What kind of reply can I expect?
The reply will
Point you to online resources (free or fee-based)
Offer you relevant customised fee-based statistics(subject to data availability) You can ask for a non-obligatory quotation for customised statistics when filling up the form.
[11:07 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Types of Data
1) Working in progress or working papers, a preliminary research in progress with no conclusion or the final findings.
2) Sensitive, only available to selected individuals or cabinet members or a committee who are sworn by the secrecy acts.
3) Sensitized, selectively attainable through institutions though not publicly accessible.
4) Desensitized, publicly available information.
[11:09 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Perhaps, WP is seeking level 2 clearance, or at level 3 to view and give alternate solutions or investigate or launching their research?
[11:10 am, 24/04/2023] +TD: MOM has been lumping Citizens together with PR forever
[11:12 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: In the US secrecy protocol, the above are levels to consider.
From the White House and into each agency and each committee, there are limitations in terms of assess and access of information or data.
One concern is leakages and their next is misinterpreting data.
[11:12 am, 24/04/2023] +SL: Is those statistics required for policy professionals required are real-time data and not available in other open sources?
[11:12 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Lump or separate or segregate...
[11:13 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: Can I ask if non local see the data will it consider safe ?
[11:13 am, 24/04/2023] +TD: I believe a lot of people have been asking for employment statistics that seperates Singaporeans from Singapore Residents - yet to see
[11:14 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Hi SL,
WP intent and frustration perhaps lies in the "us not included in the WIP"
Thanks for bringing it up.
[11:14 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: In 2014 to 2015 I think a lot of scholarship holder are non local serve in a lot of public places right ?
[11:15 am, 24/04/2023] +TD: Also - why are Foreign worker Quotas tied to SC and PR numbers?
Shouldnt it be SC numbers only since PRs are FOREIGNERS?
[11:15 am, 24/04/2023] +Dan: Populism is distorting facts to gain political advantage is a very strong statement.
[11:15 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Hi KL,
There will be a certain level of clearance in order to work or assess a ministry or an agency data, work process and impeding policies changes and so on..
Thank you
[11:16 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: But before they assign to usa for placement they quickly wanted to find a husband to go with them :))
[11:16 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: It show a lot I also did not realise till 2019
[11:17 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Popularity contests happened in school days!
Moreover we are talking about a bigger dynamic that is a contestation between the proposition and the opposition of a political game!
The idea is extreme or excessive popularity...
Thank you.
[11:18 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Hi KL,
One thing cannot stop, courting and going out with your dates...
Thank you.
[11:20 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Categorizing according to legal status that is citizenship and so on...
How about age groups, five years spread.
Thanks.
[11:21 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Perhaps, it can be done in CLOSED DOOR meetings and under the oath of a higher than the OSA!
Thanks.
[11:27 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: "Data can be meaningful and powerful...
Data can be distorted and inaccurate."
- - anonymity
The process of obtaining data MUST be carefully quantified before you qualify that the data collected are worth every data point as a whole and turning into a big data for analytics.
When?
Data scientists start the process of analytics, using AI or non AI, the key is the quiry must be highly specific so that the ends will be accurate so will be the applications towards policy making or crafting new ones.
How?
It a meticulous process of mining and sorting out these data points.
Thank you.
[11:29 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: It not about dating but intention
[11:30 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: "Allowing the opposites to bridge over the proposed gate keeper,...over the course of time, the opposite will become properly sitting in..., Are you comfortable sitting with the opposite?"
- - anonymity
[11:31 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Intention or hidden agendas, that's human nature!
Is a personal matter, likes or loves...
Thank you
[11:31 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: somehow i have an impression singapore is doing charity and maintaining good diplomatic relation by offering "scholarship"in our uni, while a good percentag eof our population cannot attend u due to NS and to prevent uni from running into red
[11:32 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: even if they hold public office position who are we to say wah lau why like that cos look at our dying population (chicken and egg theory again) and if ALL public office is run by singapore den the pte sector how still need to import more right
[11:33 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: on parliament / govt data -> i think somewhere many years ago some oppo ppl got leak some data which is meant for behind doors ..i could be wrong ..
[11:33 am, 24/04/2023] +KL: I know I know they will say u from em3 :))
[11:34 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Allowing all boys to proceed with their 1st university degree and then go for NS...
Any implications to our competitiveness, our micro economies, future careers, HDB, procreation and so on?
[11:34 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: this will go back to the not debate of NS again
[11:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: people have to remember we are a botak land
[11:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Just don't sell to third parties or to foreign countries!
[11:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Rama: ππ³π
[11:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: the only revenue we have is human beans no beings ahhh
[11:35 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: without these beans whatever economy and plan will all fall thru
[11:36 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: dun everything got IT mah got AO mah see what happen to ICA and DBS ahhh
[11:36 am, 24/04/2023] +SL: I don't understand why wip data is needed. My understanding of the legislative branch: write up in memorandum and statement need holistic past data, which used to support the draft bills that will be put up. Isn't it?
[11:36 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: The quality of workforce matters.... besides having a big population.
[11:37 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: behind all these tech you still need reliable IT minds and workers
[11:37 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: aiya smile face hit the same note .. hahahaha
[11:38 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: WP wants to make policy too!
Inclusiveness, that's what they are driving into...
So what is TRUST and this case TRUST AMONG THE HONORABLE MEMBERS of parliament?
TRUSTING or not so TRUSTING?
Thanks, SL
[11:39 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: they make policies ... ? policies which touch the ham or my heart of allow me to have more than 5 cars per household
[11:40 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: or make sure every one in singapore MUST AND DIE DIE MUST SPEAK english
[11:40 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: How about reconfigure policy from highly sensitive to normality?
WP can assess and collaborate from the bottoms to the mid?
[11:40 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: 5 cars per household, that is not possible!
[11:40 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is better they go source for more credible candidates and people who can put up better topics ...
[11:41 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: why not mr touch my ham in the heart is already inidcating that
[11:41 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: must make it easy for singaporeans to own a car
[11:41 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: English plus a second language not just Chinese, Malay or Tamil..
Things changed!
[11:42 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Affordable or needs or wants?
[11:42 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: car is not a need
[11:42 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is a luxury item in our land
[11:43 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: How to source for candidates?
The PAP and WP, both have their means...
Do you know the means?
Thanks.
[11:43 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: affordable or not is up to the govt to control assuming coe is really controlled by th emarket force (demand and supply)
[11:44 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Yes!
Thanks, Ah Heng.
[11:44 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: to determine what is a good candidate of a new citizen is not only a language thing there are more criteria to consider of cos i am sure our application do not have based on your country of origin lang (to enable applicant to filled up)
[11:45 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: also a person might know english but is up to one prerogative to use or not use it, like myself auntie in market speak mandarin to me i die die want to speak hokkien so will i be discriminated?
[11:46 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: maybe i go ntuc try next time
[11:46 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: see if any kaypo will discriminate me
[11:46 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Present job attained and the sector.
Years in SG?
Number of kids?
Age of this applicant?
Highest education?
[11:46 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Pls test the system.
Thanks.
[11:46 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: also for the high network is their investment
[11:47 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: like u msia u think they will die die say ehh u must pass our berhasa melayu before u can apply for the what new retirement plan in msia
[11:47 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: or like Thailand before u can apply that retriement plan in thailand you must pass the intermediate thai lang
[11:48 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Of cos, if a billionaire or multi millions brings in big Money to invest...sure!
How long this big money stays is another matter!
Money flows and money goes...
[11:48 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Money talks!
[11:48 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no the firstthing that shout on the application form ... HOW MUCH IS UR ASSETS TO BRING IN .. HOW MUCH IS YOUR MONTHLY INCOME .. ETC ETC
[11:48 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: MONEY talks and honey will walk...
[11:49 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ok dun say much say ourself if you go to japan one will also try to speak abit of their language right even as tourist
[11:49 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Analytics will show ...
[11:49 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Try SPEAKING English...
[11:49 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so what makes one thing those who stay here will forever speak their own lang ok i know certain nationality will die to their caste system
[11:49 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: It takes time to immerse...
[11:50 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Self Referencing....this concept.
[11:50 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and is a beauty of us singaporeans because we are multi racial we accomodate and we understand other races in our land thus when we travel we try to understand other culture and be like them
[11:51 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so what is this call for NEW CITIZENS to speak english .. ehh frankly some of the new citizens non chinese i dun understand the shit of what they say ok
[11:51 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Clever Singaporeans rather than being ignorant folks...
[11:51 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Chinese Also can..
[11:52 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: "In life, we human find our fits. Besides career or job and dreaming big, we have a long list of wishes, ideas and considerations to feed and to satisfy. At each portion of life, hopefully, we will gain a sense of fulfilment, settlement and fittings in our mind and there on moving forward with stride and confidence- anywhere and any moment !'
- - anonymity
[11:52 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: frankly the chinese are now more aware of they social behavior's now then other nationals on this small land who think they are still in their own motherland bringinin toxic culture and social system while some try to inject their idealistic ways of life when they DO NOT EVEN LIVED IN A MULTI CULTURE SOCIETY
[11:54 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: in short no political party is 100% right but ask ur self and really touch ur heart and tongue IS ONE READY OF TODAY OPPO TO EVEN CHECK THE RULING PARTY ?
[11:54 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: for me is a no cos like time both parties had lost men of wisdom and foresight
[11:54 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: inface globally
[11:55 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: many wise men who had foresight and wisdom to run a country are gone .....
[11:56 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: people who have the skills to play the political game are no longer as suave as those from the past .. where a word from them will rise the fire in to to do certain thing, to feel belong
[11:56 am, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: HUMANs are born and gifted with this thing, EGO!
pls research on this thing and you will see many possibilities and challenges!
How to tame this hidden thing?
The more successful you are, the mighty this thing inside you!
Thank you.
[11:58 am, 24/04/2023] +Rama: A common denominator is required!
[11:58 am, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Ceca Indian!
[11:59 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: den i tell u singlish and whoever say is not official please look up in oxford dictionary (if anyone remembers what is a dictionary)
[11:59 am, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is a lang else the terms of our singlish will not be in there
[0:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Tell that to GCT!
[0:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i sonly recently added to oxford lah
[0:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is after his time
[0:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: we need to be fare and based on facts cannot happy happy wack people
[0:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: else what diff it makes to mr touch my ham like saying it take 3 yr to own a car in singapore and 14mths to own a car in usa
[0:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Add a few hokkien lingo into the proper Oxford English speaking community?
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Cost of livings?
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Why GCT?
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: cannot hokkien is hokkien is a chinese dialect
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Any bad about CECA?
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: COE not equal to cost of living
[0:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but cai png is a very good indicator of cost of living
[0:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: I see, is a dialect not many understand...
Thanks.
[0:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Caste consious!
[0:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Remember his comments about singlishnon PCK!?
[0:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: When Indians from India or UK or elsewhere arrive into SG, do they still hold onto this caste?
[0:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: well at least 40 percent of the population understand guys service in ns, wang lei live show etc
[0:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Phua CK, a comedy
[0:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: 40% of 3 millions, then and now..
Thanks.
[0:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[0:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: evn th eprc and some blue collar indians can speak a few words of hokkien ...
[0:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: What so bad about CECA?
BENEFITS is what my matters most!
Thanks.
[0:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ceca is a trade agreement bad or not i dun know
[0:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but results of the treaty is the high influx of the personnel from that country which brings along their toxic culture of social caste system
[0:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Every Morning,...Three things inside a PM or Chairman mind ...
BENEFITS, benefitting and benefited!
[0:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: GS was contemplating migration while gct was serious about routing out singlish.
[0:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[0:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Reciprocation?
[0:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: espically in our society cannot have such toxic mindset / practice ... the same goes for western culture / mindset is above asian no we all are equal
[0:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: like our pledge based on equality ....
[0:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no reh hahahahah i dun see chinese / majority of the non asian
[0:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: though they do bitch about our system this and that which is common lah
[0:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: like we bitch about other country when travelling ya
[0:14 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Constitution say 4 natural languages - Chinese, English, Malay, Tamil - should be out working languages.
So is Pritam Singh proposal that English language as mandatory test for new citizens (supported by the 80% gullible 500 cna survey poll) - tantamount to infringing our Constitution?
To be blunt:-
If Pritam Singh proposal goes through - it will change the social fabric of Singapore society whereby :-
1. Those that speak English become a dominant race.
Then Chinese, Malays, Indian that don't speak English plus many others - who are not conversant in English - including our majority of elderly Grandparents, and Parents who can't speak English cannot be citizens of Singapore.
This tear into the social fabric of our Singapore society!
A populist proposal that look good on the surface - but has a big destabilising effect on our nation racial mix as a whole.
[0:15 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: danny > bingo u brought out the words -> english speaking will be the new standard thus a new social caste system will be born
[0:15 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Do we laugh at other systems?
[0:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is not luff is bitch aka gossip aka compare ...
[0:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: danny -> well said aka no foresight ... A populist proposal that look good on the surface - but has a big destabilising effect on our nation racial mix as a whole.
[0:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Is the Indian construction workers or Bangladesh workers, likewise not so good or ideal?
So are these Indian workers part of CECA?
What is important is these construction workers are doing the hard and dirty works for the progress of our nation.
Not sure about caste...
Thank you
[0:20 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: When people complain about CECA it's never about the blue collar bangalahs. It's the asshats in Chennai Business park and other places
[0:20 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Don't divert the topic.
[0:21 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: these blue colloars will not have time for their caste system cos they slog all day under the sun
[0:21 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: I worked in an MNC where the HR and 2 of the division managers were CECA vermin. Their racism and favouritism were plain to see.
[0:22 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is those who comes here think the country owns them and cannot do without them spreading their caste system among their own clustered circle that are the most dangerous
[0:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is a hypocrite mindset for us to say no lah no such things excist in singapore
[0:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but on ground we all know
[0:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: we all heard the stories
[0:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: some of us even encounter
[0:25 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: thus is lang mor impt or the understanding and openness to ditch ur social culture and learn and immerse one self to a new social norm important ....
[0:26 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: How to solve this problem?
[0:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: thing they are already on the track on this already ... else there will not be a wording that says English proficiency valued but it should not be sole criterion for new citizenship applications
[0:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Don't underestimate them!
[0:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: π³π π€¦♂️
[0:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[0:30 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: hypocrisy, adaptation, cultures, values, languages...
[0:33 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Immersion course?
2 hours course?
Do and don't and existing bad behaviors or habits of migrants in video?
What are our local norms and acceptable behaviors and common habits?
[0:34 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: No test required...
Self Referencing program.
[0:35 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Waste of time and resources! These
Foreign imported singaporeans will pay lip service only!
[0:35 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: What are ways?
[0:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: None!
[0:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Let it go... tolerates?
[0:39 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: These intend to step on us locals!
[0:40 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: HUMANs are born and gifted with this thing, EGO!
pls research on this thing and you will see many possibilities and challenges!
How to tame this hidden thing?
The more successful you are, the mighty this thing inside you!
Thank you.
[0:40 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Really?
[0:44 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: SGbully, load videos all these unpleasantness regardless of which race, which nationalities...post it!
[0:47 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: You have locals bullied security guards and road bullies ramping on the roads?
Are these social flaws a universal one or specifically at certain nationalities or races?
Ego?
[0:49 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Ceca Indian/Pinoy/Prc arrogance knows no boundaries!
[0:49 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Search various social media sites!
[0:50 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Arrogance...ok!
[0:52 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Does SG itself also have an invincible "CLASS" system?
The highly or abled and the common or simple people?
Sounds similar to the caste?
Is it true or no basis to compare?
Thanks.
[0:56 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes it does!
[1:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Sadly it does.
[1:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: How many categories in this class?
[1:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: π€·♂️
[1:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Hi, Mid, Lo
Hi hi, mid-Hi, lo-Hi,
Mid-hi, Mid, Mid-low
Lo and Lo Lo
[1:25 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Be BRAVE to know and cannot avoid!
[1:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: Respect is still the word as long as we are part of the society
[1:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: in fact no one is rightfully above another being
[1:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Ideally...
[1:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: yeah ideally lor
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Pride and dignity....ego
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: juat like ideally data shoudl be open to all
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Reality is...
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ideally oppo shoudl have constructive arguments
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ideally we shoud have a higher ratio over imports
[1:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Ideally yes, practically any of national security issues.... Sensitized and desensitized data should be ok to access...
[1:39 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: So what is beyond the reality?
[1:39 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: Illusion ahahahaha
[1:41 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Beyond MEANS one can see it through and through!
[1:42 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Reality is NOW!
[1:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: in todays world reality and illusion is a very thin line some might say is an oasis ....
[1:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Beyond is Beyond NOW, TODAY, BEYOND!
FUTURE is another paradigm shifter!
[1:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Fake and fact, both aren't reality! Is an illusion!
[1:44 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Another populist policy propose by WP - is to use more and more of our reserves (60% NIRC to be used for running yearly budget) to replace GST rise of 2%.
2. By doing so, WP is systematically depleting our reserves to the effect of raiding our reserves - to take an easy way out by digging into our piggy banks.
3. What this means is that :-
a. Our reserves will have lesser and lesser capital to generate more interest income and produce more NIRC to fund our running yearly budget and less capital to be plough back into our Sovereign Fund to earn more income.
Eg. Assume we use 60% as our NIRC from our reserves instead of 50%.
This mean 10% more will be used instead of being plough back to our Sovereign Fund to earn more income.
In 2021, our NIRC is $20.3 billion. 10% more is $2.03 billion.
If every year, $2.03 billion are used to finance our yearly fiscal budget, in 10 years we will lose :-
$2.03 billion x 4% interest x 10 = $21.112 billion --- we will lose $21.112 billion in our reserves --- to earn more interest as well as save it for our younger people and our future generations.
b. Our younger and future generations will have lesser and lesser reserves - to safeguard themselves during future crisis and rainy days.
c. We are using and spending more of our future generations money to make ourselves comfortable - which is irresponsible.
If LKY generations do that to us, now we will be poorer and worst off.
4. I am quite annoyed when WP and PSP suggest using land sales to be use of running budget to replace GST increase as well as using more and more of our reserves by increasing our NIRC ---- this will further deplete our reserves - leaving less and less lands and money for the future generations.
5, Hence, I am of the view that WP is in effect adopting populist policies and taking an easy way out to solve our budget problem - but creating a dire financial situation that will greatly impact our future generations.
[1:44 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Archetypes vs Stereotypes?
[1:44 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: totally agree
[1:45 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: danny thus metnioend erlier these oppo are just saying thing to stir shit in the society
[1:45 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: to just touch the surface of the matter which lay men voice out
[1:46 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Funds are up and so can it go down!
A fixed or incremental fund will yield a fixed or stable percentage of income!
[1:47 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: "In life matters.., there is no need for the opposition unless the proposition cannot find the opposite and entrapped between the right, the center, and the left of matters...?"
- - anonymity
[1:47 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Have they!?
[1:49 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: It is so easy to adjust them...
[1:49 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Andrew just curious.
Previously you always have been supporting the government.
But recently, noticed that you are quite discontented.
Just curious is there something happen that make you unhappy?
[1:52 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: The ways of water!
"Water flows from the highlands to the lowlands. Water is soft (soft), and water can harden too (hard)! Get the combination of soft and hard right and you will understand the power of water!
- - anonymity
[1:54 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: I'm a fence sitter, neither here nor there depending on the issues
[1:54 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: "The pinnacle and the end game is TALENT identification and classification."
- - anonymity
[1:55 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: The bottom line is that we will never see π a viable and capable opposition government!
[1:55 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I see.
Well we have high demand of a good government.
We should also apply the same standard to WP MPs and the other oppositions.
[1:55 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Opposition politicians have no calibre for cabinet positions!
[1:56 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: I have to agree. Certain PAP policies (okay a lot) irritates me, but when I see the bullcrap the WP comes up with, I end up on the fence.
[1:56 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: agree if we expect our govt to of certain std
[1:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: the same shld apply to the opposition
[1:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no concession
[1:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: fair grd
[1:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: to be fair - a lot of the PAP cabinet CMI also.
[1:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Which policies perhaps need to relook at?
[1:58 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: The lowest of opposition MP cannot match those ruing party MP who don't make it to cabinet positions!
[1:58 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: CECA, Car light, FT, HDB, PR. off the top of my head.
[1:58 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. I read in a news somewhere whereby Pritam Singh say voters expect higher standard from PAP candidates, but correspondingly WP candidates can be lower (to that effect) - which I try to search for this news snippet I read but I lost it ----- I cannot accept this argument.
2. Pritam Singh say he don't expect a revolution to replace the whole goverment, but he want more seats up to 1/3 of the Parliament.
3. If more and more WP candidates of lower quallty is allow into Parliament and less and less higher PAP quality candidates enter the Parliament - then our standard of governance drops, policies that will benefit Singaporeans will also of lower quality.
4. Hence I expect opposition, WP candidates must be of similar quality of those in PAP if not better.
As voters, we cannot demand less.
Because accepting lower qualtiy candidates will means --- the Singapore population as a whole will suffer - in the event one day, we see a fluke election outcome - whereby the less qualified opposition take over the government.
What will become of Singapore?
Our lives, livelihood, our wealth, our property, our future generations - will be "colder than water".
[1:58 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: it boils to the point that real leaders or men and women of capabilties are gone
[1:58 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Ah Heng, Andrew are two potentials!
Thanks.
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i can only go there and clean table and chairs niah
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Recently about the most irritating is the NEA's push to force the cost of carbon neutrality down onto the consumers
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and i dun speak english well, already minus one by oppo
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: in this current inflationary climate, it's criminal
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: I can only go there to be amused!
[1:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[2:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Andrew, you are definitely better than the opposite members...
Thanks
[2:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Any alternate game plans?
[2:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: NMP Walter Woon I respect for having introduced the MPA.
[2:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: why you asking me? I'm not being paid a million to solve this
[2:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: lol
[2:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Mandarin plus a bit of hokkien...
The idea is you are as good as others, given the pedestal to stand and talk!
Thanks.
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: hahah u mai suan .. parliment is a holy place
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: 1) the plastic bag thing is nonsense.
Plastic bags in SG's context are more environmentally friendly than the alternative.
NEA's policies writ large seems to be wholesale lifted from AMDK countries and cut and pasted into SG without consideration for localization
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: lay men sten din will get burn one
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i mean step in
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: bloody Amy Khor is a malaysian born prata woman, flipping on things she said in the past
[2:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree!
[2:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i dun wan to be burnt by the flames of righteous
[2:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: The older a person is regardless of age or race...this person will bring values and Valuables onto the table!
More rooted and relevant to local and or region!
[2:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Not surprising!
[2:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree
[2:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ahh this must be hear by the MOM and the many companies
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
As the debate on the President's Address wrapped up in Parliament last week, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that there is no place for populism and political opportunism in Singapore, citing the division and polarisation that has taken root in developed democracies abroad.
“If you look at many of these countries, populism has taken root and populism has damaged greatly their societies, divided and polarised their people,” he said, explaining that populism is politics that distorts the facts for political advantage and will damage Singapore in the long term.
π¬ What are your views on the points raised during the debates on the President's Address? How can we continue to uphold values like participation, integrity and inclusivity …
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: WHEN a person who has good character and pleasant personality and most importantly, selfless and humble is the archetype to represent a community aka MP!
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: in fact if gvt really care .. is the grassroots that have to be truthful
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Pass from one ear in to another out only!
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: not like sheeps
[2:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Don't get me started on the kampungs of Spandex Kamikaze cyclists empowered by LTA.
[2:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: road hogging retards
[2:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: bloody grass roots all like sheeps only
[2:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: NEA and LTA issues.
Thanks
[2:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: up stairs say yes all will yes yes yes
[2:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: there are a few grassroots i know who had been vocal but was deem as opposition in the end they gave up
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but neither did they join opposition
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: North Korea?
"One dictates and the bottom is full of followers...so what is above this dictator?"
- - anonymity
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Only if you follow blindly are you accepted!
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: that's how we kill those who have the passion to service not for fame nor benefits
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: tell me about that
[2:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: π³ππ€·♂️
[2:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: as in yeah .. i agree hahahahaa
[2:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: anyway sian lah talk here talk there same topic
[2:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: dog bite dog world
[2:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Many Singaporeans are pragmatic and realistic people! At least 50% of them behave like this.
Does that means they ignore and maybe they are well aware of what politics are in their favor or nothing?
[2:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: I would'nt say gone. I'll go they have no incentive to join politics given the current system
1) look at Tik Tok's CEO. Singaporen. Hwa Chong Boy.
2) Look at Shanmugam. Brilliant legal mind. Look at his Replacement in the wings - ET - whom the legal society laughs at.
It's not we don't have talent. Talent seems uninterested in joining politics.
[2:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Don't forget Tharman but ignore IR!
[2:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Example too obvious =) everyone loves tharman
[2:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[2:15 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Another populist policy proposed by WP - is to push for "minimum wages" across the board.
2. As we all know, different industries have different demand for workers' skills and wage benchmark.
3. Proposing a "minimum wages" across the board without productivity growth - is too simplisitc by blunting our wage competitiveness vis-a-vis that of our neighbouring countries which have a lower wage base.
This will in effect make our business uncompetitive and our worker uncompetitive - and push business out of Singapore.
4. Hence another easy way out, a populist policy to solve our wage problem for our workers - by WP (again reflecting the poor quality of the WP candidates).
5. PWM (Progressive Wage Model) - a benchmark wage based on the respective industries pegged to productivity outcomes and stepped progression --- is a better model to help our local workers increase their wage income - and at the same time ensure our business maintain its competitiveness due to higher productivity - to ensure the wage cost are keep in check.
For eg. without automation, workers will have lower productivity such as a food assistant can only make let say 100 popiah a day.
But with automation that can make popiah 1000 a day in which the food assistant is trained to operate - than production increase 10 times - which justigy a higher pay - as business no need to employ 10 workers to produce 1000 popiah a day.
1 worker who can operate the machine will do.
6. Hence PAP candidates display a higher quality in policy making - and make Singapore business and workers enjoy higher income - as compared to WP candidates that will drive business cost up, make our workers uncompetitive - and make Singapore worst off.
[2:28 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Another populist policy - is to urge government to release data in Parliament.
2. I support the releasing of data that will benefit Singapore as a whole - but will not lead to compromising our National Security - whereby bad actors or foreigners can exploit to make us worst off, or penetrate our security causing harm to Singaporeans.
3. Sometimes, oppositions and public will perceive as some common sense data are harmless --- and we want it out of curiousity or we want the data to advance our personal agenda.
But by releasing such data ---- may in fact harm us as a whole.
4. a. To quote an example, some of our Sovereign Funds and financial reserves cannot be made public, because foreign financial bad actors with massive monetary hoard could use such financial data to attack our currency - and make massive financial benefits at our expense.
In one of the Asia Financial crisis, a few foreign financial speculators launch a coordinated systematic attack on Asian currency system causing many SE Asia countries to fall one by one - Thailand, Indoneisa, Malaysia etc - Singapore also affected though with lesser extent due to our strong financial reserves to stop the attack.
Malaysia even have to introduce "capital control" to stop the financial outflow.
b. In one most recent foreign events, a US airman leak of data - put Ukraine in a very dire situation by releasing data that their air defense missiles are running out - that lead Russia to do many aerial bombing knowing that Ukraine has run out of air defense missiles.
5. Hence, in the absence of knowledge how releasing of data will harm our National Interest and everyone of us -- don't get upset and be rile by WP and opposition of demanding data to be frivolously release - because data can kill us more than anything else.
[2:32 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: As mentioned by a previous gic head many years ago, outsiders can manipulate the basket of currency our reserve are made of so disclosure is out of the question!
[2:35 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes.
That's why be careful of what WP say.
Scrutinized it 360 degrees and exposed their pitfalls.
If we don't WP will harm us more than it helps us.
That's why I feel very annoyed that voters should accept a lower quality candidates as MP - for opposition like WP - because their ideas will sink Singapore.
[2:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: As WP LTK once said, I have no interest in a cabinet position but only to act as a check and balance. This kind we don't need for our country!
[2:40 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
A poor quality candidates check and balance - serve very little purpose except to irritate our government and play to the gallery to rile the voters.
I rather an oppositions to be of higher quality and can propose alternative solutions that make policy making better to serve our population.
Check and balance is too low a standard
[2:40 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Shadow government
[2:41 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
As per what WP offer in the parliament today.
I am not impressed.
[2:50 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Another populist and simplistic ideas push by WP is to propose "redundancy insurance" as a compassionate policy to help retrenched workers.
2. The policy on paper looks good - but has anyone study the implications?
3. Pritam Singh mention that our Government is also looking into it.
However, in the absence of details, and in the absence of how to address the pitfalls of a redundancy insurance - I will not support it or rule it out as of now.
4. But I will want to point out the pitfalls of a "redundancy insurance" based on WP's proposal :-
a. Currently business and individual workers already have to set aside certain percentage of their salary to be put in CPF.
How are redundancy insurance to be financed by business and individual workers?
Are the business and workers to further set aside additional salaries to purchase the redundancy insurance on top of the contribution to CPF?
Then how much take home pay left for individual workers?
Then does it means that business will factor in redundancy insurance cost by lowering salary paid to workers to keep its business cost low?
b. Assuming a retrenched worker receive monthly redundancy payout - how long will it last.
If it last for years, it will reduce the worker's incentive to look for jobs, get themselves train to look for jobs - as looking for jobs, get trained is tough - and with redundancy payout --- it will blunt people's motivation to look for jobs --- and Singapore business and economy will be greatly impacted.
[2:56 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
5. In fact, I feel that Government implementing "Train and Placement" programme - to ensure retrenched workers get up to date skillsets that business want and make placement to jobs by participating companies make more sense.
Because it will ensure retrenched workers get the most direct help in skill training and get a job immediately upon completion of training.
6. Also, during the duration of training, government provide training allowance to the trainees, so that they will have monthly allowance to feed themselves and their familites while receiving training.
7. Once they secured a job after training through placement, virtually they will earn salaries --- and hence there is no need for "redundancy insurance" - that will put additional burden on business in terms of business cost and additional burden on individual workers to set aside additional salary to pay redundancy insurance premium - and have lesser take home pay.
Also redundancy payout will not blunt workers motivation to look for jobs after retrenchment.
[2:57 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: PWM is the way forward
[2:58 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
So honestly do you feel WP do a good check and balance job in parliament?
I don't feel so.
I am not impressed.
Their alternative proposal are half baked and cannot stand up to scrutiny.
[2:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: No substance!
[3:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: The sad thing is that they will probably hold on to SengKang.
Supposedly very strong support base
[3:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: I am hoping for it to be a one time win only!?
[3:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Hoping for the same. But seems unlikely. Much unhappiness on the ground.
[3:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: actually no need to scrutinize if a low level education person like me can see the crack
[3:06 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Why unhappy, over what?
[3:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Let's laugh...lol... wait
[3:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: credit due when the old oppos guard i will say yes they ask the govt good question till well sux thumb
[3:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/jhNrkZll-_c
[3:07 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Usual stuff. GST. Plastic bags. CECA. COE. FTs. The usual issues in edmw.
[3:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but now these groups of is just echoing what the ground people feel but just echo solution is like very high level...
[3:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: Another lol... wait
[3:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/kfLqrbER9Q4
[3:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: TOC is is like talkingcock.com reincarnated.....
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: seng kang people are blind sad to say espically when is suppose to be an estate of younger generation
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: very sad
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: on a fair scale some pap candidate are not worth to be in their estate also
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so best is break up GRC
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: let all man of worthy fight 1:1
[3:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: The woke issues resonate more strongly with the SK peops.
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree!
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: WP playing that woke game well.
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: den we will know who is really doing the job
[3:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: all appointment holder have and must remember their mthly allowance each cents is from the public
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and each same is toil with blood and sweat
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: sorry each cent
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Ruling party scratching their heads to estimate the odds in their favour!
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is not only ruling party
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: it includes the oppo too
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: I'll like to ask something. Ivan Lim.
What do you all think of him as a candidate? Heard he's running again
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Waste of time to consider them!
[3:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: not just walk around the grond, paste on face book show how hard working by walking or selling news paper
[3:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: disclaimer = I know him personally
[3:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: well if he is running put him in single estate and fight man to man
[3:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: dun ride on grc
[3:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Will full time MP work in anyone favour!?
[3:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: full time mp should not have any public interest as share holder or board of directors
[3:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: one is paid to service the public and community not here 20% there 10% there another 20% etc
[3:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree
[3:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[3:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: else dun take so much allowance
[3:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Think he might die even if fighting against the sengkang Raeesah Khan. He got slimed badly.
[3:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree
[3:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: take a nominal fee of $! dollar will do i dun feel so pain
[3:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i know some of the public idea is i dun care who is good or bad as long as there is some one to check on the ruling party
[3:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: ehh like that might as well put wang le inside
[3:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: he also can do the check
[3:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and he sure voice out for the public no need oppo
[3:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is such mentally of the public that affect productive discussion in the session but the same goes for current govt also
[3:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: 2 sides have these kind of funny people also
[3:19 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: to be a member of parliament there must be some caliber for for some reason the oppo suddenly slide now and is like some picky person nib picking at small things instead of the bigger picture
[3:19 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and keep seeking to win attention
[3:22 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. I have a strange feeling that GE may come sooner than 2050 for 2 reasons:-
a. The PM is growing older 71 years old already and will want the younger DPM to take the helm earlier.
b. The external factors could suddenly turn catastrophic
eg. Russia Ukraine war turn very nasty and pull in NATO.
China and Taiwan suddenly fight.
Global supply chain severely disrupted.
$3 trillion trade route cut.
$60 trillion economies - China, EU and US lock in war.
2. Hence we will need all the best brains in the government.
We cannot have lower quality candidates in the parliament.
We cannot have WP or oppositions in parliament of lower quality to do the check and balance.
We need top brains to tie us through a very challenging time.
[3:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: now that u bring this up
[3:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: oversea news paper already speculating we going for early poll
[3:24 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Taiwan foreign minister warns of conflict with China in 2027. US intelligence believes that Xi Jinping, China’s leader, has ordered the country’s military to be ready by 2027 to annex Taiwan. https://sg.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-foreign-minister-warns-conflict-072111083.html
[3:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +KL: Maybe I raise one small question in event if we recycle plastic bottle collect sgd 0.10 (32 Sen) will all other country ppl bring plastic containers to sg to recycle? Esp our neighbours :) wanting to reduce plastic and in the end increase ? Cos their oil is subsidised
[3:24 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Is Singapore heading to the polls this year, as ‘electoral drums start beating’?
An election is not due until 2025, but recent speeches by PM Lee Hsien Loong and his designated successor Lawrence Wong hint at an earlier vote.
Against a backdrop of global troubles and internal issues, a decisive win in a snap vote would give Wong an ideal start as the nation’s fourth premier, observers say
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMicmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnNjbXAuY29tL3dlZWstYXNpYS9wb2xpdGljcy9hcnRpY2xlLzMyMTc5MzIvc2luZ2Fwb3JlLWhlYWRpbmctcG9sbHMteWVhci1lbGVjdG9yYWwtZHJ1bXMtc3RhcnQtYmVhdGluZ9IBcmh0dHBzOi8vYW1wLnNjbXAuY29tL3dlZWstYXNpYS9wb2xpdGljcy9hcnRpY2xlLzMyMTc5MzIvc2luZ2Fwb3JlLWhlYWRpbmctcG9sbHMteWVhci1lbGVjdG9yYWwtZHJ1bXMtc3RhcnQtYmVhdGluZw?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen
[3:27 pm, 24/04/2023] +YT: Can't read. Pay wall.
[3:28 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: PM Lee Hsien Loong and DPM Lawrence Wong have recently urged citizens to continue to give the PAP broad support. Photo: EPA-EFE
Politics
Is Singapore heading to the polls this year, as ‘electoral drums start beating’?
An election is not due until 2025, but recent speeches by PM Lee Hsien Loong and his designated successor Lawrence Wong hint at an earlier vote
Against a backdrop of global troubles and internal issues, a decisive win in a snap vote would give Wong an ideal start as the nation’s fourth premier, observers say
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Kimberly Lim
Kimberly Lim
Published: 9:30am, 23 Apr, 2023
Singapore’s ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) has been strengthening its me…
[3:28 pm, 24/04/2023] +TD: Here you go
[4:02 pm, 24/04/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
As the debate on the President's Address wrapped up in Parliament last week, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that there is no place for populism and political opportunism in Singapore, citing the division and polarisation that has taken root in developed democracies abroad.
“If you look at many of these countries, populism has taken root and populism has damaged greatly their societies, divided and polarised their people,” he said, explaining that populism is politics that distorts the facts for political advantage and will damage Singapore in the long term.
π¬ What are your views on the points raised during the debates on the President's Address? How can we continue to uphold values like participation, integrity and inclusivity …
[4:30 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/netizens-react-to-edwin-tong-saying-significant-proportion-of-singaporeans-throughout-our-history-didnt-speak-english-well/
[4:34 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
4 natural languages is our working languages.
English is one of them.
It is in the constitution.
The netizens don't understand LKY's intent when he push English as a working language.
But he draft the Constitution to ensure our social and racial mix are intact.
Hence the 4 natural languages in the constitution.
[4:35 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
English is needed to learn Western technology.
Now many advanced technology are coming out from China.
[4:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Will changing the constitution provide some indicator to fdi? π€
[4:38 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
What is fdi?
[4:39 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Foreign direct investment π
[4:39 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Changing constitution to English only means - all our racial mix is mess up.
Angmoh and English speaking people take over.
[4:40 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
No more 4 races.
[4:41 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Are we going to turn away European and non English speaking investors? That will affect the financial and properties industries?
[4:42 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
No we welcome all.
4 natural languages in our constitution put us in good stead.
[4:43 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
We welcome western people as well.
[4:45 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Great. Loosing the connectivity with Asia/Europe financial hub (Tokyo, Hong kong, Frankfurt - some talent may be speaking English) might be a risk.
[4:47 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Zurich continues with an issue; their non English speaking talent may be relocating.
[4:48 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Lesson for us!?
[4:50 pm, 24/04/2023] +~L: Hmm, Caucasian currently just few % of the population, compared to over 70% Chinese descent. Does that mean Chinese have taken over?
[4:51 pm, 24/04/2023] +~L: I think you might mean a better balance between 4 races, which is currently:
Although Malays are recognised as the indigenous community,[3][4][5][6] 75.9% of the population are ethnic Chinese, with ethnic Malays and Indians comprising 15.0% and 7.5% respectively. Together, the three largest ethnic groups comprise 98.4% of the citizen population.[7] The remaining 1.6% comprises members of "Other" races, which comprises largely Eurasians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Singapore
[4:52 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes.
This is what I mean.
[4:56 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: The wipo 2021 key number on page #7 look like not all are from English speaking western country. There are non English speaking western countries, right?
https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo-pub-941-2022-en-world-intellectual-property-indicators-2022.pdf
[4:59 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why I say:-
1. Conversation English for them (not the test type).
2. Spouse optional.
3. Their children will be conversant in both English and 2nd language.
We won't lose alot of integration because they also join RC activities as volunteers.
They can integrate very well.
[5:00 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Our country will not lose out on integration and use of English language as working language.
At the same time, we can ensure the balance of social and racial mix - without making English compulsory for citizenship.
[5:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: In the competitive world, the current setup is our strength. Why for we to destroy our strength for something? which I don't understand what the ultimate aim is?
[5:01 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Point 2 for me is to be as Point one.
As for integration by way of involvement RC activities, do we have any statistics !?
[5:02 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I don't have.
But are we better integrated with the current new citizens?
I don't find any integration gaps with the new citizens.
I feel they are like one of us.
[5:03 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: The topic of populism, is the English test considered one of these? Is there any enlighten please π
[5:04 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: I don't see any integration at grassroots level so not one of us.
[5:08 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: I thought we were open societies that welcomed foreigners. Am I wrong in this assumption, or do we only welcome English speaking foreigners to contribute to our nation? Please enlighten me π
[5:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no lah
[5:09 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: people are asking for NEW CITIZENS they must undergo a english test to ensure they can comms in singapore
[5:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but the issue on the flip side is this more impt compare to the ability to integrate ?
[5:10 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is like as if our forms of application is not in english
[5:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and what makes whoever feels english test is a must that after this test they will integrate well to be new citizens?
[5:11 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: π€·♂️
[5:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i think danny got a list of explanation listed out already which is going to be more of the negative rather den positive
[5:12 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: also what if i die die dun wan speak english even i am local
[5:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so will i be discriminate also
[5:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: as far as i am concern i see singapore english as 1 of the platform for communication while most of teh time we comms in SINGLISH
[5:13 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Eg. In my areas living in HDB
1. I have a China national mother and an American kid.
2. An Indonesian speaking family who speak Bahasa Indonesia very well.
3. An Indian family from India.
4. A Filipino family.
5. A China national family.
They integrate very well with the neighborhood and eat local food.
We exchange greetings when we meet.
Some speak English, some mandarin, some Malays, or we just exchange greetings saying hello.
No Integration gap.
I just feel they are one of us.
As they stay in HDB, I presume they are either new citizens or PRs.
[5:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: many of us dun comms in Q
[5:14 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: i think they wan people to speak Queens English hahahaha
[5:15 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
And their children wear our SAF uniform.
They serve NS.
[5:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Γo
[5:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Great
[5:16 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: I saw this extraction from the cna news articles shared in this chat:
“In his speech, the opposition leader spoke about foreign spouses who may have difficulty with an English-language requirement in citizenship or PR applications.
He pointed out that the Workers’ Party’s 2020 manifesto called for the “fast-track naturalisation” of foreign spouses on long-term visit passes, subject to conditions such as having at least one Singaporean child.
An English requirement for foreign spouses could be one of the criteria for fast-tracking such applications, he suggested.”
The concern is “foreign spouses having difficulty in English difficulties..... “ is the proposal asking the talent to break off with her/his family before applying for citizenship/ PR? Is this proposal in the national interest? I don't understand. π€·♂️
[5:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: what i dun understand is foreign spouses only
[5:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: what about family that migrate here as a whole
[5:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: frankly whatever thinks oppo say dun waste time reading too much
[5:17 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: they are seriously a waste of time now
[5:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: there are better things to focus on
[5:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Based on preliminary pro/con analysis, it looks like the impact of the action is significant
[5:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: hurh u mean if cannot comms in english is a big issue
[5:18 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is there no other lang
[5:19 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: those that kick up a fuss is self righteous local
[5:19 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and pardon me ahh their bloody ancestor also cannot speak english that time can can one chicken and one duck still comms with angmo and other races
[5:19 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: if really want to put it more crude
[5:20 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no one teach these people who are self righteous to have baby but they still can find a way to make babies so why not in everyday life matters
[5:21 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: article 12 of the Singapore constitution protects from discrimination....?
[5:22 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: small matter make a bukit timah looks like K2
[5:22 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Has it been applied in court!?
[5:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: A real kampong environment, promoting this kampong spirit is ππ
[5:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Gotong royong is long dead!
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: now got say hello and bye very lucky already
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: say more ppl say u busy body hahahaha
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yup
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Is it focused on solo application, and the rest don't come to apply?
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: ππ€·♂️
[5:24 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: grassroots also no ask and talk so much u talk so much for what people think
[5:25 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: actually that motion seems to target more of one nationality
[5:25 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: if i may suggest
[5:25 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: and without saying it tends to point to that country that starts with C
[5:26 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Show face closer to election!
[5:26 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: I don't know. Is there any case of discrimination due to non English speaking? Kindly please share π
[5:26 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: because besides that country and J whicih other country cannot speak english (minus the Afrika continent)
[5:26 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: o the 4 year see one time season is here again to some hahahaha
[5:27 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: South America!?
[5:27 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: there is latino i think spanish
[5:27 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Yes
[5:28 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: but more or less they still speak abit of english
[5:28 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so near to US
[5:28 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Why a good cooperation behavior among neighborhoods no longer exists? Is it because we don't all speak English?
[5:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: age of change (some one mentioned earlier)
[5:29 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: people likes their privacy
[5:30 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: some are unknown to the new culture thus rather keep close to their own kind (new citizens)
[5:30 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: It looks like the English language is not the primary root cause of integration. It sounds like because most of us are busy. Isn't it?
[5:30 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: just assumptions
[5:31 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: If this is true, is this motion in the national interest?
[5:32 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Mexico
[5:33 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Korea, Taiwan, Switzerland, French, Germany, Russia, and many countries in the African and South American continents?
[5:34 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: so having listed so many we are in the right direction?
[5:34 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: to make those who wants to be here or even invest here to take an english test ?
[5:34 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: when actually we have 4 offical lang?
[5:35 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: I was puzzled. What precisely is the motion trying to achieve if it considers from national interest?
[5:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: no national interest
[5:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: is more of comms skill
[5:37 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: as i see it
[5:38 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: if talking about national level then we will loose out more if msia really draw out a better investment plans similar to thailand retirement plan
[5:44 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: “Another potential flashpoint Mr Singh cited: the growth of family offices and the inflow of foreign wealth here.
He noted that there are murmurings of discontent among Singaporeans who see foreigners engage in a buying spree of properties.”
What type of policy is going to propose for the growth of the family office with new data? The current situation seems like welcomes them as Singapore is one of the prominent financial hub. The current government policy looks to be running smoothly, and is the new proposal to divert the ultra rich to other country and stop the development here? I am puzzle.. π±
[5:44 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Likewise
[5:54 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: ICA relooking approach to system upgrade - preschedule implementation usually will not run during office hours or peak hours, and it is generally done by batch. Not knowing what is happening on site/offsite that day that caused glitch. π€·♂️
[6:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: The FOI act in the USA seems like it covered more than national security and defence......
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) gives any person the right to request access to records of the Executive Branch of the United States Government. The records requested must be disclosed unless they are protected by one or more of the exempt categories of information found in the FOIA. Records that, generally, may be protected from disclosure are: Properly classified material; limited kinds of purely internal matters; matters exempt from disclosure by other statutes; trade secrets or commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential; internal agency communications that represent the deliberative, pre- decisional process, attorney work product, or attorney-client records; information that would be a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; law enforcement records to the extent that one of six specific harms could result from disclosure; bank examination records; and oil well and similar information.
[6:05 pm, 24/04/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
As the debate on the President's Address wrapped up in Parliament last week, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that there is no place for populism and political opportunism in Singapore, citing the division and polarisation that has taken root in developed democracies abroad.
“If you look at many of these countries, populism has taken root and populism has damaged greatly their societies, divided and polarised their people,” he said, explaining that populism is politics that distorts the facts for political advantage and will damage Singapore in the long term.
π¬ What are your views on the points raised during the debates on the President's Address? How can we continue to uphold values like participation, integrity and inclusivity in our political process?
Key takeaways from the debates are as follows:
π No place for populism, political opportunism in S’pore
Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong stressed that the Government rejects populism and upholds honesty and integrity in policymaking, adding that the Government and the Opposition should call each other out if either should fall short of these standards.
Earlier on Monday, DPM Wong had called on the opposition to offer a serious alternative agenda and be upfront about the trade-offs, instead of putting forth opportunistic or populist ideas that chip away at trust in the Government.
Mr Singh agreed with DPM Wong that calling each other out ought to work both ways, but noted that variations of the Worker's Party's policies - such as anti-discrimination legislation, minimum wage and redundancy insurance - were being considered by the Government.
π English proficiency valued but it should not be sole criterion for new citizenship applications
“The knowledge of English at the working level, while helpful, should not be a defining or indeed a limiting factor, which might happen if you introduce it as a test, as a single point test,” Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Edwin Tong said. The minister also said that an English test may not be the best marker of an applicant’s ability to integrate in Singapore.
He pointed to the country’s immigration framework, which was “tightened significantly in 2009”, that considers a broader range of factors, including family ties to Singapore, whether the applicant has studied here or has done National Service. These other factors would be “equally, if not perhaps in some cases, more effective” as a marker of integration.
Mr Tong noted that the Constitution currently states that one of the markers for naturalisation is working knowledge of any of the four official languages.
π Being more open with data
The Government should become more open to releasing data, and not be dismissive or “breezily” use national security or sensitivity as reasons for withholding information without good reason, said Leader of the Opposition Mr Pritam Singh.
In moving this motion on the debate on the President’s Address, Mr Murali Pillai (Bukit Batok) had said that the “nature of the electorate is changing and today, a new generation is emerging”.
Mr Singh said Singaporeans seek a fairer, more inclusive and more caring society, and greater openness with sharing information will be fundamental to a refreshed social compact.
π https://str.sg/i4Fc
π https://str.sg/i4yP
π https://str.sg/i4Fk
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/english-test-new-citizens-pr-applications-pritam-singh-edwin-tong-3436806
[6:13 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: in California, the shop only accepts these bottle with California Redemption Value bottle for recycling.
[6:20 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
This family offices bring in money, create wealth for banks to manage, create jobs.
If they don't come we are in deep trouble.
[6:22 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
In summary, if WP is our current government implementing their policies - I think Singapore will have belly up.
[6:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Don't let it happen!
[6:23 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Need the voters support.
Our coming years is very treacherous.
[6:23 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Agree
[6:31 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Isn't data available in parliament reports, statistics Singapore, respective agencies, and publicly available sources? π€
[6:34 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: It may also affect the global financial center index, ultimately costing our jobs.. Hence I don't understand why real data on it is needed?
[6:35 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why data only offer need to know basis.
Any unnecessary data can do us more harm than good.
[6:41 pm, 24/04/2023] +KL: So u saw they invest in ? How do you know they create jobs ? Without data ?
[6:42 pm, 24/04/2023] +KL: I tiagong some bank can increase workload without head count
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Salary increase!?
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I am not saying no data needed.
I am saying data provided need to know basis.
And sufficient data for the public that won't harm our interest.
Not unfester information that harm us.
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +KL: 2%
[6:43 pm, 24/04/2023] +Rama: Not worth!
[6:45 pm, 24/04/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
[6:46 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Singapore to Create Up to 20,000 Finance Jobs in Five Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/singapore-to-create-up-to-20-000-finance-jobs-over-five-years
[6:47 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: From bloomberg, reported last year September.
[6:48 pm, 24/04/2023] +KL: How many will go to local ?
[6:49 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: Isn't it should go to local? Mom doing the quality check on foreigners if needed, right?
[6:52 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: There are jobs that can be outsourced offsite...
If the family office did not come to Singapore, there is no single penny locals can earn from various support works, I guess.
[6:55 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: There are 8 competitors of wealth management centers against Singapore in this world
[6:59 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That is why Pritam Singh WP cannot make it.
[6:59 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
No strategic vision for Singapore
[6:59 pm, 24/04/2023] +SL: From a regulatory perspective, strict AML/KYC controls and suitability rules have levelled the playing field with other wealth management centres and have increased
the burden of onboarding new offshore clients. In addition, a shortage of qualified RMs with appropriate language and advisory skills has led to a talent war between global wealth managers, resulting in higher RM compensation as a proportion of total revenues compared to other WM centres.
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[7:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +Ah Heng: dun wwaste time on this guy and that hum guy
[7:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +Smiley face: 24 April, 2023
To: Our Distinguished Leaders and All Honorable Members
"How to include, integrate and compact?"
Three levels of Policy Leaders (PL) :
Community
Regional
National
The idea is to create an active platform to a two-way active engaging people, to trust one another, and the same time to co-create policies through meaningful contributions from the citizens point of views and the difficulties faced by the policymakers.
Creating an ecosystem of clarity, trusting, divesity and responsible citizenry.
Citizens with policymakers via zoom or in person and or informal Whatsapp group chat.
CPL
At the community level, policies related to the town and ground issues. It is a good platform for senior grassroots leaders and/or MP to be part of or …
[7:00 pm, 24/04/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Very populist, appeal to voters only.
[7:00 pm, 24/04/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
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