REACH 244 - Views on wedding photo as standee (SK)
16 Jun 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[10:00 am, 16/06/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢
The People's Association (PA) has withdrawn its offer to meet a Malay/Muslim couple whose photo was used as a standee for Hari Raya Aidilfitri decorations without permission; PA said they disagreed with the couple on how they had characterised the incident as “racist” and “perpetuated the racist culture" and disagreed with the purpose of the meeting, noting that she had made a call for messages and suggestions from members of the public ahead of the PA meeting.
The agency rejected these claims, saying: "While the error was culturally insensitive, it was certainly not racist. It is not right to raise the allegation of racism, without basis, to stoke emotions and sentiments”.
The woman in the wedding photograph for Hari Raya Aidilfitri decorations responded to the People's Association's (PA) decision to cancel the planned meeting, saying it was a missed opportunity for constructive dialogue.
💬 What are your views on recent race-related incidents? How can we play our part to build a stronger and more harmonious society?
Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao has also responded to an open letter signed by local academics and scholars who took issue with Zaobao’s recent editorial on race relations, saying it has consistently upheld racial equality and advocated for mutual understanding among all ethnic groups in Singapore.
As the anchor Chinese broadsheet, it has publicly and unequivocally condemned several recent local incidents of racial discrimination, and jointly defended racial harmony through its editorials, Zaobao said on Monday (June 14).
👉 https://str.sg/34ZZ
👉 https://str.sg/34Uh
👉 https://str.sg/34Za
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[10:02 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: why Zaobao need to be involve also?
[10:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: PA need to promote more racial harmony
[10:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: This is possibly incorrect on the part of the couple. If in all sincerity, they have agreed to the meeting, putting remarks on social media prior does not help to clear the air. Understand that Min Edwin has even apologised so, what exactly is her motive/intention!?
[10:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: when we are at "war" all these agencies cannot be seen working....
[10:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: like total defence... etc
[10:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Think PA should not have withdrawn its offer and instead take the opportunity to listen to what the real issues are (perceived widespread racism, ignorance, issues within minority groups) and be a catalyst to more engagement.
Optically PA did not come across well.
[10:05 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: +1
[10:05 am, 16/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: https://str.sg/345F
[10:06 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: is like neighbours who refuse to go for mediation.. lol
[10:06 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Understand mediation is no longer voluntary
[10:06 am, 16/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree
[10:07 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: I believe the high cost of rearing a kid and couple with different life style expectation is pushing marriage to a much later years ..
[10:07 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I think both sides need to refocus on the actual issues and not be side tracked at the noise that come along with the emotive issues
[10:08 am, 16/06/2021] +REACH: Race-based data in population census needed for S'pore to help ethnic groups meaningfully: Indranee
Data categorised by ethnicity remains relevant to Singapore, and is done with the "best of intentions", to ensure no group is inadvertently left behind, and to know where to intervene with help.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/race-based-data-in-population-census-needed-for-spore-to-help-ethnic-groups
[10:08 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: So PA is not meeting to say sorry?
[10:08 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: And also I do realize that many who wishes to settle down have also turned to foreign bride to settle down with them perhap because of the expectations and thinking of the locals? Just my two cent
[10:09 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Some years , a couple tried to utilise the then pro child government policy but the relevant agency told her otherwise. Don't know the outcome after she wrote in.
[10:09 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: No more already . They commented about the lady motives for asking people to comment for their feedbacks
[10:10 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: Hmm I met a couple of peers and friends who also had tot run to foreign bride because they felt it was much less pressure compare to getting hitch to a local. No doubts I believe there are good locals Willing to marry and build a family, but it is really getting more limited .
[10:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: To run*
[10:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: Yes. With costs ever increasing I think our population will decline even more in the coming years barring GST increase
[10:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Without needing to hold a view on the recent PA response, I think it's useful to have a sense of the 'feeling' the cut-out incident had created in Teh Tarik With Walid - Episode 20: Sarah Bagharib
[10:12 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Listen in totality
[10:12 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: https://youtu.be/6iC0aDFReNc
Sarah claimed that it’s racist and hope to meet PA .
Btw , the event is organised run by Malay , vendor is a Malay . PA, Vendor and even Min Edwin has apologised ..
Watch this interview .. you probably know what she wants when meeting PA.
[10:12 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: In my opinion, PA made the correct decision not to meet her. She is obviously using the strawman tactic to try and divert the focus to that of racism. It was a mistake and apologies have been made. But instead of focusing on this issue, she has chosen to make a mountain out of a molehill. What are her motives? Is she trying to prove something? An axe to grind?
[10:51 am, 16/06/2021] +Noraini: Agree.
[10:13 am, 16/06/2021] +Shane: Rather sad to hear this but that is the hard truth . Many of my friends didn’t want more than two kids or even set as just one child will do
[10:13 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Agree
[10:13 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: It's the strawman fallacy.
[10:14 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Is our employers pro family in their hiring?
[10:14 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215982122745240&id=1813046136
[10:15 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Government has to improve on the responsibility for these volunteers.
[10:16 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: Give them more prominent badges. 😉
[10:16 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: There should be a auxiliary police officer on every location during enforcement hours.
[10:19 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: SDAs are paid staff right
[10:20 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: With no legal rights for arrest/self defence!?
[10:21 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: think they have legal rights
[10:21 am, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: as in if public attack them, they are authorise personal
[10:22 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: With no handcuffs or baton, not much to be comforte
[10:24 am, 16/06/2021] +Matthew: I agree that it is not for PA to say what is racist and what is not racist especially in situations where it is quite unclear or grey (and I think public agencies should be careful when deciding and slow to decide whether something is racist or not in such grey situations, or they risk getting serious backlash). But, in this particular case, I feel that it is hard to argue that PA's (mis)use of the photo is racist. It is clearly just ignorance and of course wrong that they didnt obtain prior consent before using the photo. My personal point of view.
[10:24 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: If a minority community or in another country has a CNY celebration with a cut out for kids taken off a cam cha session of a Chinese couple kneeling down, I think I'll call it out as racism as well
[10:27 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: PA has a right to respond on any alleged assumed racism but not sure if calling off the meeting is right, bearing mind the aggrieved party tried to add fuel to the fire.
[10:28 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: While People Association already apologies due to the blunders, should still go ahead with the meeting... not to forget, PA as a stat board serve the people and supposed to share the policies to people.
While the couple posted their views on FB, which normal people do, be it correct or wrong on the allegation, PA should at least listen to what the couple has to say and explain... this is in the first place their job to explain to the people.
To me to just cancel the meeting is akin an immature kid... it does not sit well to me for a stat board that cancel to the people, PA suppose to serve.
[10:28 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Fair enough, think the analogy I'd use is trying to point that there are already fires all around which most may not see
[10:28 am, 16/06/2021] +REACH: More S'poreans have no religious affiliation: Population census
While Singapore remains religiously diverse, more Singaporeans reported having no religious affiliation compared with 10 years ago.
This increase cut across most types of educational qualifications as well as all age groups, and was more prevalent among younger and Chinese Singaporeans, according to the latest population census released on Wednesday (June 16).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-sporeans-have-no-religious-affiliation-population-census
[10:28 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Can we have a statement from the chairman of the PA!?
[10:29 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: You do have a point, though
[10:29 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: i think we need to be more sensitive on the issues.. if your wedding photo was used and only found out later.. will you think that will be a molehill?
[10:30 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Are we becoming a secular state with no religion!?
[10:31 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Is she is sincere, don't ask for opinions from your community prior to a sincere request to sit down and talk!?
[10:33 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I think the SOP of PR response for PA needs to be relooked at. Pointing it was a vendor who did the cut out while legally and factually true to me it came across as distancing from the racial aspects and inadvertently stoked them up.
[10:35 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: Just the PA's luck to engage that vendor, and one thing led to another which led to this perfect storm. And also, just their luck they stepped on the tail of someone who has an agenda and is vindictive.
[10:36 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I'd think that this is actually opportune to discuss, and have an internal soul searching
[10:36 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: Forgive and forget. Apologies have been made. You have your 15 minutes (or more) of fame. Just be gracious. Live and let live. That's how we can progress as a gracious society. No point splitting hairs trying to dig and dig and finger point.
[10:37 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: TBH, i didnt follow what she posted haha.
but then when i posted something on my FB, be it explicitly soliciting comments or not, there's bound to have comments and might not be as desired as she expected especially this particular situation.
Also did PA initiated this meeting or the couple asked for it? cos I sense that PA might just wanna sweep the issues under the carpet 🧐
Due to the actions that PA presented from MSM.
[10:37 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: No constructive discussion can be held if there is already a preconceived notion of wrongdoing and trying to divert attention to racism when there really isn't in the first place.
[10:38 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Move on if you are matured or sulk like a child!
[10:38 am, 16/06/2021] +YT: 👍👍👍
[10:39 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Can PA go to prosecutor office to indict the vendor for breaching copyright and other rights of the persons in the photo who did not consent to how it was used?
[10:40 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Too petty to spend public time and money!
[10:40 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: PA is at fault.. the vendor was engaged by PA
[10:40 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Think that would be dealt with contractually in civil proceedings
[10:40 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Check and balances need to be enhanced
[10:41 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Becos many companies in SG hire marketing vendors to do promo. It is very much left to the vendor to manage in good faith.
[10:42 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Hirer ultimately responsible for any short coming
[10:42 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Not everyone can afford P&G leh
[10:42 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: yea but then akin in a construction project, usually only the main contractor will be sued
[10:42 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Yes, but there would have been PA side that should review and check before using?
[10:42 am, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: +1
[10:43 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Marketing companies offer visual drawings and photos which companies deem that they have paid royalties on. Then if the marketing company play cheat, never pay, how company know?
[10:44 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Expect the company to ask the models in the photo meh?
[10:46 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: There are laws relating to use of photographic images
[10:47 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Yah lor, the vendor company should not have breached those laws. That vendor must be punished.
[10:48 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: If PA allow the vendor to get away with it, then that vendor will continue to do so.
[10:48 am, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Am sure vendor will be dealt with
[10:48 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Looks like the vendor is going to be the scape goat!?
[10:49 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Huh, u don't think the vendor should understand that it is bad to use other people photo without permission??
[10:52 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: To cut cost, many companies do not have a full marketing dept, it is mostly out-sourced. So it is important for these marketing companies to have clear understanding of their responsibility and not hide.
[10:53 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: What is the agreed current guidelines issued by PA to their appointed third party vendors? If honest mistake, accept the apology and move on. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. Note, the vendor even called her to apologise and so did the PA. What more!?
[10:55 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: If the marketing company had obtained the photo through legal means, they would have to pay royalties correct? Not free mah.
[10:55 am, 16/06/2021] +Noraini: Agree.
[10:55 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: At least must offer market rate for photo use
[10:56 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: The vendor must have charged PA for the event, so should offer payment for use of photo mah
[10:57 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Was the cleaner vaccinated I wonder?
[10:57 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Since the aggrieved party made insinuating comments and asking for her community to comment prior to the agreed meeting with PA, where is the sincerity to sit down and work things out!? She has already tried to.pre determine the outcome
[10:59 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Seems a shame to have disengaged from having a dialogue. If there was a disagreement they should have met to discuss it, clear the air, and help inform each other.
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Yes
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Yes
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Definitely
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Despite multiple guesses to her real motive, maybe we should not speculate that aspect and leave it to the law to manage it on a commercial aspect.
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Today's culture is all about sharing, social media, etc. Whilst some of us don't understand that, it is the way of the world
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Only time will tell
[11:00 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Agreed
[11:01 am, 16/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: I believe this could resolve the issue if handled well.
[11:01 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Correct
[11:01 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: There's legal repercussions for using social media to put any one down or an institution
[11:04 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Maybe but now she has come out better. Could PA really not manage this effectively? Looks bad and they could have shown more integrity by meeting. If she then shot herself in the foot PA would demonstrate they were behaving properly.
[11:07 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Yes clearly they are not racist and wouldn't have meant that. By not meeting though, it looks antagonistic, and insensitive. Why not use the chance to educate, inform and be brave when dealing with sensitive issues?
[11:08 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Well said
[11:10 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Agree
[11:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Maybe she wanted to check if she was being reasonable or not?
[11:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: True
[11:11 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Yes, take responsibility, diffuse and apologise. PA is usually good at this.
[11:12 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Seems immature solicit community opinion prior to an agreement
[11:12 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: +1
[11:12 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Yes, that's why a respectful conversation is important to close the discussion
[11:13 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Without discussion how do you correct this misconception?
[11:13 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Are you referring to the couple or the PA? 😁
[11:14 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Interesting thought. Would also show support for the couple.
[11:15 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Exactly
[11:16 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Yes
[11:16 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Couple
[11:16 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Let's see on what grounds
[11:16 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Depends on the agreement with the models. Yes they should have got permission. Its reasonable to assume that PA thought they were doing their job properly and not necessarily expect to see the contracts.
[11:17 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Correct.
[11:17 am, 16/06/2021] +Stella Yip: Too tough, most companies who hire 3rd party vendors to help host events don't do that. The small companies will die if need to do such detailed checking.
[11:18 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: It's not always bad to get public opinion before a meeting. If everyone had said they thought the couple were overreacting, they might have just backed down.
[11:18 am, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Consider the other party who initiated the meeting too
[11:19 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Fair point, I confess I haven't read the posts.
[11:21 am, 16/06/2021] +Ben: Yes, a very well resourced organisation with many people offering opinions. The couple might have felt quite on their own and needed some support
[11:39 am, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: Privacy, Infringement and Public domain? Story of a Couple and the PAs...
BACKGROUND
Decades back, Ministry of Culture has a propriety bank of images and videos from campaigns, social and historical events. Most of these materials are in the good hand of the National Heritage Board.
POSSIBILITIES
Let's say for discussion, Ministry of Culture setting up a SMALL mixed media unit for photo and video productions to UNIFIED all Ministries use and purpose. Secondly, models or talents perhaps can be volunteered from grassroots, communities and school at all levels. No need to expense big money for mega stars and super singers to cast all media purposes.
Afterall, the old saying " we used to be a nation of campaigns and importantly in SYNC - MAJULAH...!"
Afterwords:
"ASPIRATIONS (what you want) and EXPECTATIONS (what you expect) are two immeasurable variables of a modern society and a progressive nation... "
-- Ian T
Life in this world is short. Let us make use of our lives in the pursuit of happiness and not trouble.
-- Tunku Abdul Rahman
'Listen, Learn and if Applicable"
-- Ian T
'' The Past, The Present and The Possibilities"
-- Ian T
"Using what you have or access, to the FULLEST..."
-- Ian T
[0:12 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: No rush for DIY Covid-19 test kits on first day of sales
Sales of self-administered Covid-19 test kits have started at all major pharmacies in Singapore on Wednesday (June 16).
All 79 Guardian pharmacy stores island-wide have been stocked with two rapid test (ART) kits: the Abbott PanBioTM Covid-19 Antigen Self-test and the QuickVue At-Home OTC Covid-19 Test.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-rush-for-diy-covid-19-test-kits-on-first-day-of-sales
[0:57 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: Don't think many individuals will purchase. Go PHPC clinic is cheaper. $10 only, including medicine.
Think corporates will buy these
[1:13 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: Self Checks Initiative (SCI)
As part of tightening and securing our perimeters of living and working, rapid test kits will soon be available for individuals. The distribution of free masks has been a smooth success! It is appropriate for Temasek Foundation to champion the procurement of the Rapid Self Testing kit (RST) to be distributed to all households. It is a good initiative to engage our Singapore in this continuous effort of TF to issue the RST kits at the community level. Importantly, an assurance of quality checks of the RST kits at an accuracy level of 95% or more!
This SCI initiative will be an on-going available quarterly into Q2 - 2023. The level of subsidies range from 50% subsidy to full subsidy pending on households income.
The RST kits comes in quantity of 10, 20, 30 packing. These packs can also include 2, 4, 6 masks respectively. Each household can choose and/or purchase up to 2 pack in any configuration quarterly. Using existing Community Clubs/Centres as collection points.
After all, it doesn't matter as the old saying goes, "we are all in the same boat... "
Afterwords:
"SELF CHECK THE BEST CHECK"
For physical schooling, THERMOMETER has been a norm SOP for students to self checks daily temperatures. Importantly, when schools REOPEN, daily SELF CHECK temperature taking must be VERIFIED by teacher in charge to CONFIRM all students in the class have normal reading of their temperatures!
For the RST, working towards a essential NEW HABIT of self testing. We have done very well with wearing masks in public spaces! The frequency of self testing will have to be encouraged and progressively adopts into part of our lifestyles! It will be a good norm for ADULTS at all levels of activity to best DAILY SELF CHECKS or a minimum of TWICE weekly!
We should think the self checks as a civic and personal responsibility!
The F&B industry is an important pillar of a country's economics activities and a challenging one these days! The industry has to come up with matrixes and discuss with government agencies to derive a set of UNIFIED approach to better prepared any unforeseen scenarios:
Formation of a DIVERSE EXPERT panel CO-CHAIRED by NEA-MOH-MOF-MND with ideas / proposals elevating to the MTF. The aim of this large group of experts and stakeholders is to deal with the on-going variables and going forward future decisions such as property tax rebates, rental subsidy, JSS, partial off-set of GST for food ingredients. These variables of intervention will be better calibrated in deriving a consensus and importantly a sustainable solution.
The composite of this panel to include stakeholders from 5 zonings (N,S C, E, W) hawkers, coffe shop operators, foodstreet outlets, restaurants, bars, landlords, mall owners, selected hotels, delivery companies. A bi-monthly (2 hours) meeting to listen & discuss on-going challenges, impending ones, latest covid clusters and procedures briefing. Ideas and proposals will be elevated to the MTF.
Revenue and operational analytics to find a balancing point in order to sustain through the next 12 months or longer?
Total floor area including kitchen
Peak vs Off peak
Weekdays vs Weekends
Dine-In vs Take away
Manpower
2 pax, 5pax, 8 pax or more
[1:17 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: Hi....,
Read CNA and your immediate actions to address the Blk 115 stallholders worries. Well done!
Stigmatisation may leads to drop in footwork that will hurt the stallholders daily income and more. Hopefully, it will be a quick and short spell.
With regards to the valid issue of incomes, I have a few suggestions hope it will be helpful to all.
1) Encourage and Assist stallholders to go digital payments and to facilitate delivery services to stallholders that are "not E-Ready" Three local banks to be invited to go on-site to sign up stallholders.
2) 5% Subsidy from government per delivery trip for the next 14 days starting from 1st July or sooner. Delivery companies are encouraged to match 5% on par with government initiative. The cost of deliver…
[2:22 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 1 - Is this a racism issue or insensitivity to minority
1. Looking at the youtube on tek tarik conversation of this lady and Walid - I cannot help but feel that the issue of a "wedding standee" have hype up and transform as a :-
a. "racism issue"
b. "insensitive to minority"
These are the 2 exact words quoted by this lady.
2. Hence I tend to agree with PA that - this lady is wrong on this 2 count :-
a. It is not a racism issue
b. There is no insensitivity to minority - but "culturally insensitive" - as a wedding photo in a Malay traditional wedding outfit has no relation to Hari Raya.
And in fact I will agree that using the wedding photo without permission - is not appropriate.
3. Why is this saga is not a racism issue?
a. Malay traditional wedding outfit (not other races outfit is used) - hence there is no offense to Malay races.
b. The vendor that coin the concept of using the wedding standee - uses a Malay wedding photo as the standee - not other races standee.
c. The vendor is a Malay vendor.
Hence I am not able to reconcile - how is this saga - treated as a "racism issue" or any slight against the Malay race?
4. Why is this saga not "insensitive to the minority"?
a. The Malay vendor is selected to do up this Hari Raya concept - not other races who are not familiar to the Malay culture.
b. No non-Malay outfit or setting are use in this Hari Raya concept - except this Malay vendor are wrong in 2 counts :-
i. Using a private wedding photo as the standee - without permission is wrong.
ii. Using a wedding photo - to project Hari Raya celebration is culturally inappropriate.
[2:24 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: Apparently someone CSI'ed the vendor company, it's not malay.
[2:25 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Anyone has information on this vendor?
[2:27 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Part 1 - Is this a racism issue or insensitivity to minority
1. Looking at the youtube on tek tarik conversation of this lady and Walid - I cannot help but feel that the issue of a "wedding standee" have hype up and transform as a :-
a. "racism issue"
b. "insensitive to minority"
These are the 2 exact words quoted by this lady.
2. Hence I tend to agree with PA that - this lady is wrong on this 2 count :-
a. It is not a racism issue
b. There is no insensitivity to minority - but "culturally insensitive" - as a wedding photo in a Malay traditional wedding outfit has no relation to Hari Raya.
And in fact I will agree that using the wedding photo without permission - is not appropriate.
3. Why is this saga is not a racism issue?
a. Malay traditional wedding outfit (not other races outfit is used) - hence there is no offense to Malay races.
b. The vendor that coin the concept of using the wedding standee - uses a Malay wedding photo as the standee - not other races standee.
c. The vendor is a Malay vendor.
Hence I am not able to reconcile - how is this saga - treated as a "racism issue" or any slight against the Malay race?
4. Why is this saga not "insensitive to the minority"?
a. The Malay vendor is selected to do up this Hari Raya concept - not other races who are not familiar to the Malay culture.
b. No non-Malay outfit or setting are use in this Hari Raya concept - except this Malay vendor are wrong in 2 counts :-
i. Using a private wedding photo as the standee - without permission is wrong.
ii. Using a wedding photo - to project Hari Raya celebration is culturally inappropriate.
[2:27 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: And even if the fault was entirely the vendor's, someone from PA should've reviewed and cleared it. But I agree that it's probably more of an ignorance issue rather than racism. Although PA could've worded the statement in a less aggro manner and could've taken the higher moral ground, I feel that this is really blown out of proportion.
[2:27 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: I scrolled past this on my FB feed, I'm not sure if I can still find it..
[2:31 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Given that no one is sure whether the vendor is Malay or not - then let remove this element of doubt - and it still don't change the observation that :-
a. It is not a racism issue
b. It is not insensitive to the minority.
[2:33 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 1 (amended) - Is this a racism issue or insensitivity to minority
1. Looking at the youtube on tek tarik conversation of this lady and Walid - I cannot help but feel that the issue of a "wedding standee" have hype up and transform as a :-
a. "racism issue"
b. "insensitive to minority"
These are the 2 exact words quoted by this lady.
2. Hence I tend to agree with PA that - this lady is wrong on this 2 count :-
a. It is not a racism issue
b. There is no insensitivity to minority - but "culturally insensitive" - as a wedding photo in a Malay traditional wedding outfit has no relation to Hari Raya.
And in fact I will agree that using the wedding photo without permission - is not appropriate.
3. Why is this saga is not a racism issue?
a. Malay traditional wedding outfit (not other races outfit is used) - hence there is no offense to Malay races.
b. The vendor that coin the concept of using the wedding standee - uses a Malay wedding photo as the standee - not other races standee.
Hence I am not able to reconcile - how is this saga - treated as a "racism issue" or any slight against the Malay race?
4. Why is this saga not "insensitive to the minority"?
a. The vendor is selected to do up this Hari Raya concept - is using mostly Malay theme and try aligning to the Malay culture.
b. No non-Malay outfit or setting are use in this Hari Raya concept - except this Malay vendor are wrong in 2 counts :-
i. Using a private wedding photo as the standee - without permission is wrong.
ii. Using a wedding photo - to project Hari Raya celebration is culturally inappropriate.
----
Given that no one is sure whether the vendor is Malay or not - then let remove this element of doubt - and it still don't change the observation that :-
a. It is not a racism issue
b. It is not insensitive to the minority.
[2:39 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: I think the PA made the right decision to cancel the meeting.
Why? Because this forces the couple to rethink their "strategy" and re-establish the premise and intent of the meeting/discussion. To proceed otherwise, would be to give credibility to the couple's claims of racism and cultural insensitivity.
Are we using terms such as "racist/racism" too loosely, and in so doing, unnecessarily amplifying the very divisiveness that we, as a Nation, had fought so hard to bridge?
To be fair, racism takes many forms and can happen in many places. It can include prejudice, discrimination or hatred directed by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised.
Is this really the case here?
Was there racial discrimination or cultural insensitivity? Or, is the racial/minority card being exploited because the couple didn't get their way at first?
Lets see....
1. The event was in celebration of Hari Raya.
2. The Vendor had found the photo online. It was not stolen from a hacked/compromised account/archive. (https://www.facebook.com/AIDUweddings/videos/sarah-bagharib-razif-abdullah-20th-may-2017/662193297309996/)
3. That was a beautiful photo of the couple.
4. How many people actually recognised the couple from the cut-out UNTIL the couple themselves pointed it out?
5. Are the couple, especially the bride, a shy, introverted lady? Or dynamic, successful, confident and most of all, adept at harnessing the power of social media/internet as a Communications Specialist and Founder of numerous Moverment/Rights platforms?
6. Was/Would the couple's reputation/career/standing be in any way diminished due to the unauthorised use of the image for the stated purpose/event?
7. If permission was sought in advance, would the couple have rejected the request on the grounds of racism and/or cultural insensitivity?
8. Would it have been more appropriate if a traditional Chinese couple's cutouts were used instead for the event?
While, the couple (and many netizens on their behalf) have made the case for unauthorised use of their property and are understandably outraged that it was being "exploited" by a Vendor for commercial gains, I am not so sure, if their subsequent actions - claiming racism/cultural oppression - were not the result of them being dissatified with the "settlement or restitution" offered by PA and/or the Vendor, and hoping that the court of public opinion would pressure the PA into a more "appropriate" aka "generous settlement".
It seems pretty ironic to me, that someone who runs organisations that champions the rights of the disadvantaged, disenfranchised, and disprived, offering unconditional assistance, out of pure compassion, is unable to accept sincere words of apologies alone.
Is this really about #shineonyourcrazycat on racism/cultural insensitivity? Why only now I wonder?
Or maybe, rather than asking on social media "what (or is it how much?) would be appropriate" and beating around the bush about expecting the PA/Vendor to suggest what is "fair" after acknowleging fault, maybe the couple should just come right out and state exactly what they feel would be needed to appease them? And... make sure its on the public/social media as well...then let's see what the reaction would be this time.
Racism has no place in our society...neither should there be room for straw man arguments exploitating this very sensitive issue.
[2:50 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: In the old days people never bothered about what others did, so long as they were free to do what they liked themselves. Today, one cannot SNEEZE without being corrected, let alone enjoy oneself. That's what politics have done to our society
-- Tunku Abdul Rahman
[3:00 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Don't get the racial insensitivity distinction as compared to racism - I assume one the former is permissible? Perhaps Joseph can help elaborate.
[3:04 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: Scammers weave Covid-19 vaccines, MOH into their false narratives
Scammers have continued to target people in Singapore during the pandemic, and are now weaving the vaccines and vaccination drives into their false narratives.
Recent scams have adapted their plots from that of pretending to be a Chinese official, to now purportedly being an official from the Ministry of Health (MOH).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/scammers-weave-covid-19-vaccines-moh-into-their-false-narratives
[3:05 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 2 - Standing into the shoe of this Malay lady - and how the issue has unravel:-
1. If someone tell a person that the personal wedding photo have been used as a standee to celebrate a festival, this will be a wholesome reaction:-
a. Surprise that how come a personal photo is used without permission - initial reaction will be unhappiness - as permission should be sought before usage.
b. But the moment PA go on public to apologise and even set up a meeting to personally apologise and give assurance not to repeat the mistake ---- a person should be big hearted to accept the apologies.
c. In fact, a person should be happy and proud that a personal wedding photo is use as celebration for a joyous festival - where many people of the same or different races and culture share the personal happy events with the public festival.
d. So indeed, I thought this is an over-reaction to an unfortunate mistake made - where I will have laugh it off and in fact contribute my personal events and let public share the joy - in my big day with the festive big day.
2. Did PA respond appropriately when the wedding photo is use without permission?
a. PA did apologise publicly and publish in news media to the lady and her husband.
b. Offer to meet in person to apologise to the couple.
c. PA informed that the vendor has gone ahead to apologise to the couple about their inappropriateness of using the wedding photo without permission and wrong to project the traditional wedding as a concept of Hari Raya.
3. Did the lady response appropriately to PA gesture?
a. The lady did not seems to accept PA gesture of apology - and in fact went on in youtube at Teh Tarik conversation - to point out that the whole saga is a racism issue and insensitive to minority in her own words.
b. The lady in addition say that this is a recurring issue - and want "accountability".
c. Such comments and reactions in the Youtube - is no longer related to an unfortunate incident of using a personal photo without permission ---- but transforming it into a racial and cultural slight --- that pull in the whole Malay community into the fray as well as coining it as a "minority slight - and pulling in other minorities into the fray".
4. Netizens reactions and many academics throwing the weight supporting that lady - seems to lend credential that this unfortunate incident is a "racism issue" and "insensitiveness to minority" ---- which in Part 1 ---- I have ruled it out.
5. I hope by properly laying out the facts objectively and by cutting out the rest of the emotions ---- will let the public and minority community view the incident as an unfortunate mistake ---- not clouded by "the issue of racism" or "insensitiveness to minority".
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[3:06 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: I didn’t make mention of a distinction between the 2.
But for discussion’s sake, one is ignorance, the other is willful exploitation. Both are negative, but 1 is a deeper shade of grey.
[3:07 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Pardon my wrong quote: cultural insensitivity v racism
[3:09 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Again.. for discussion’s sake …race and culture are distinct .. just as sex and gender. One you are born with .. the other you grow into.
[3:09 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: If I may use an analogy, welcome your thoughts as well:
If a minority community or if in another country, there was a CNY celebration, with a cut out for kids to play, of a photo taken off a cam cha session of a Chinese couple kneeling down, how would you characterise that
[3:10 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Aside from copyright issue
[3:18 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Frankly, i have no issues with that as a Chinese Singaporean, especially if the intent is not malicious.
I do not expect everyone, especially someone of a different upbringing and cukture to understand fully, the nuances of our (Chinese) culture. Even i, being Chinese am not aware of all the customs and practices of my ancestors let alone of all Chinese.
I wonder… is the person attempting to be inclusive by celebrating the cultural event eg. CNY, even though it might have been based on an incorrect/insufficient understanding of the chinese culture, the racist… or the person who is offended that a none Chinese person is “butchering” his/her culture due to misconceptions/misunderstandings.
[3:20 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Does not being racist mean that you have to know what (everything) is racist first? or does it mean you differentiate in the first place ie. to be exclusive or to. e inclusive?
[3:25 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Adding on to this point.. is it better to celebrate the fact that someone else is trying … or take offense that they dare try?
[3:26 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I think if any race is subject to culturally insensitive stimuli repeatedly over time is likely to become sensitised
[3:28 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: I think the word you are looking for, is de-sensitised
[3:29 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Yes I agree it's important that there has to remain a safe space to discuss sensitive topics.
I don't think there is a perceived issue of lack of trying
[3:30 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Conversely, are we becoming overly sensitive? And to what ends? Is it making everyone's lives happier? That we have to watch every word we speak for fear or mis-speaking even though the intent is not malicious?
[3:30 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I will stick to what I wrote, thanks
[3:31 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: No sense of being happier when another group may perceive it is at their expense, I feel
[3:32 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: for someone who is a stickler for accuracy/distinction in the choice of words used by others, you are pretty liberal with how you use yours ... especially when the 2 have opposite meanings
[3:34 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: I thought we are going to into the direction of "Lets talk about Race". By calling off the meeting, you will be attempting to "cancel" this couple. Bring it to the table and talk it out. The only way to agree that this is not a racist act, you will have to discuss. Otherwise, it will only be seen as the stat board trying to avoid the couple's concerns.
[3:36 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Agreed. But does taking offense at every unintended or perceived slight achieve that?
[3:37 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Hence my statement of becoming sensitised
[3:40 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Sorry...your statement makes no sense to me.... not saying its your fault... putting it out there in case you are the sensitive sort... and not saying you are of course ... anyway... I need more time to digest what you just said. Its me.. not you 😂
[3:40 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Would you like to have a discussion about how I think you are being an exploitative employer because you refuse to install me as the CEO of your company?
[3:43 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: The point I am trying to make 👆, is that there is no point discussing it because this is not THE issue in the first place. So, until and unless the couple is ready to discuss the ACTUAL issue, which looks to me like a question of FINANCIAL COMPENSATION... which of course, I may be wrong about, the meeting should not take place.
[3:48 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: 19 new Covid-19 community cases in Singapore, including 3 unlinked; five imported cases
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/19-new-covid-19-community-cases-in-singapore-including-3-unlinked-five-imported
[3:54 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: Lets state to facts: PA is being insensitive to put up a Malay wedding photo for Hari Raya decor. From my angle: there are 3 issues:
1) Their checking process. So far, the explanation is the vendor made an error.
2) The issue of going online and using any photo and putting on public.
3) The inability of being able to distinguish between a wedding costume and hari raya costume shows their insensitivity to the celebration of the festival. If you hold much importance to the festive event, you will prepare it well. Imagine Chinese New Year, your estate buy the 囍 decor and paste on ur lift doors~
[3:55 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: Its an assumption.
[3:55 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: OK I'm sorry to be saying this, but the people who are in the best position to say how they're feeling about this whole episode should be people from the malay community, and not us saying how we think they should feel about this whole thing.
It's like a boardroom full of men telling women how they should be feeling on their periods and period cramps aren't that bad.
[4:00 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Let the law call her up to clarify if this seems to provoke racism by majority against minority
[4:05 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: This is Singapore, so I believe this is shared history, shared heritage and shared responsibility
[4:06 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: 1) Their checking process. So far, the explanation is the vendor made an error.
Totally agree. But last i checked, both PA and Vendor apologised to couple
2) The issue of going online and using any photo and putting on public.
I don't have FB and my IG does not have my face/body etc ... precisely because I know once its up there, there is a chance that it gets (mis)used. Even for a nobody like me, I know not to do it, The Bride is a "Communications Specialist...in today's parlance, that means very aware of the pitfalls of having your photos all over social media/internet. And... agree.. does not make it right ... hence, refer to (1)
3) The inability of being able to distinguish between a wedding costume and hari raya costume shows their insensitivity ign…
[4:09 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: We can say we share the heritage, but even PA, the organisation which is supposed to promote racial harmony and understanding could be ignorant and screwed up on the different cultural dresses, I think it is right to say that we're nowhere close to fully understanding all the cultures in our society despite what we'd like to think.
[4:10 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Think there is room for improvement and ongoing dialogue
[4:14 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: Yes, but the dialogue should involve people of the relevant races. That's all I'm saying.
[4:16 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
It is a small issue blown up to be a big issue out of proportion.
If a person is graceful enough, accept the apology and just move on - don't even need to discuss about this issue.
[4:18 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Why isn't anyone calling the couple out for exploiting the minority.race issue? This is a simple misunderstanding... PA and the Vendor apologised and took the display down immediately.
Why throw in the issue of race and culture?
[4:18 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: 1) Apology and identifying the fault is different. PA identify the fault is with vendor but did not make public the PA shortcomings.
2) PDPA still counts right?
3) Its a matter of placing importance in the event. You used the "ignorance" and "insincere". But we are talking about PA. Its their bread and butter to ensure social cohesion and racial harmony. You lose credibility as PA by being insincere in celebrating one of the important events in Singapore.
[4:27 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Agree
[4:30 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Point one - I believe they are working on improving the process if checks and verification
[4:33 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: 1) Apology and identifying the fault is different. PA identify the fault is with vendor but did not make public the PA shortcomings. PA has already acknowledged they have to improve their internal process. Why is that not enough? Want to see someone's head roll? Maybe MP need to resign then happy? 😂
2) PDPA still counts right?
Please check properly what that does/protects/how it works. Don;t think it apples here
3) Its a matter of placing importance in the event. You used the "ignorance" and "insincere". But we are talking about PA. Its their bread and butter to ensure social cohesion and racial harmony. You lose credibility as PA by being insincere in celebrating one of the important events in Singapore. Agree that they lose credibility. Agree that they…
[4:36 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: On the part on race, 2 Chinese debating on this here makes no sense.
[4:37 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: You reckon?
[4:37 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: 🤣
[4:37 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: Yes. I was illuminated
[4:38 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: I am just responding to the topic...
[4:40 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: "take Credits & be Accountable too!
-- Ian T
[4:40 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: COVID-19 task force 'evaluating' timing and scope of reopening amid fresh outbreak: Lawrence Wong
The COVID-19 multi-ministry task force is "evaluating the timing and scope" of the next stage of Singapore's reopening, Finance Minister Lawrence Wong said in a Facebook post on Wednesday (Jun 16).
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-task-force-evaluating-the-timing-and-scope-reopening-15025980
[4:41 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: I am looking at possibility of 280621 outdoor dining now
[4:41 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: Cautiously optimistic position.
[4:41 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: LW is outgoing right?
[4:41 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Better to be safe than sorry
[4:43 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: [Sent by Gov.sg – 16 Jun]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed 19 new cases of locally transmitted COVID-19 infection.
Based on investigations so far, the cases are in the community, and there are no new cases in the dormitories.
There are 5 imported cases today, who have already been placed on Stay-Home Notice upon arrival in Singapore. In total, there are 24 new cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore today.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh160621update
[4:45 pm, 16/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: This should not be an argument about Race... rather, it is about where we draw the line and say, YES... we are protective and proud of our multicultural society and we will defend our fellowmen regardless of race, language or religion.. BUT we have to be equally careful not to let anyone exploit and play the racial card whenever it suits them. Just look at what has happened in the US .. not just with race, but with gender etc. We don;t want to go down that path.
[4:46 pm, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: https://mothership.sg/2021/06/kuik-shiao-yin-pa-hari-raya-standee/
Not i say de hor.. a link from a post by an EX-NMP
"In the Radin Mas case, the common interests between both parties at first was: better interracial, inter generational, conservative-liberal understanding.
That was still possible until power-play entered the picture.
If you are a leader leading the charge to build harmonious relationships among the people, then, strategically speaking, a unilateral power move to shut down negotiations very quickly goes against the very interests you stand for."
[4:47 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Agree
[4:47 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: Food for thought
[4:47 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Literally
[4:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: PA is under who ah
[4:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: which Ministry and Minister
[4:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: just wonder
[4:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: EDIT:
which is inline with my last para:
"it does not sit well to me for a stat board that cancel to the people"
a missed opportunities to close the case nicely
[4:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: MCCY, Edwin Tong
[4:50 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: wow, he Minister liao
[4:50 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: ya lor
[4:50 pm, 16/06/2021] +Desmond Koh: anyway not his fault though... more of the CE of PA to be held responsible
[4:52 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Just came in, I think
[5:16 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Look like phase 3HA dine in for 5 pax on 21 Jun - can say bye bye already.
[5:17 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Yup, but maybe tweaked?
[5:19 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: to?
[5:21 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Guess we all will find out soon...
[5:21 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: down go back 2HA hor
[5:21 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: *don't
[5:29 pm, 16/06/2021] +Ken: Lol unlikely
[5:30 pm, 16/06/2021] +CQ: Maybe delay by 1 week?
[5:54 pm, 16/06/2021] +Shane: 👍
[5:59 pm, 16/06/2021] +Gan Kelvin: Till haji week in july?🤣🤣🤣
[5:59 pm, 16/06/2021] +Gan Kelvin: Forget about belated fathers day fest too🤣🤣🤣
[6:01 pm, 16/06/2021] +Caleb: celebrate this instead
[6:01 pm, 16/06/2021] +Ken: Why bother lol
[6:34 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEKUtVXZoknvtdqL4jqqgMRkqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjujJATDXzBUwiJS0AQ?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen
Delta variants will be the dominant covid strain worldwide - now in 74 countries.
[6:34 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-california-grand-reopening-tourism-vaccination-15018298 California grand re-opening - says bye to covid-19 rules.
[6:34 pm, 16/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/covid-19-vaccines-offer-high-protection-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant-uk Vaccines provide high protection against hospitalisation - from Delta variants - UK study.
[6:42 pm, 16/06/2021] +Rama: I am looking at possibility of 280621 outdoor dining now
[6:47 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
[6:49 pm, 16/06/2021] +Peter T Ng: Night, team
[6:50 pm, 16/06/2021] +Dan: Night.
[6:59 pm, 16/06/2021] +Smiley face: MTF.
Min Wong, Min Gan, Min Ong, DMS, Honorable members
Single Dose Strategy Towards Critical Mass Immunity (SDS)
FACT: Importantly the pro and con of things (think not just covid) will always prevail in today's highly informative social media of all sorts.
The idea of persuading the "world" to complete the full course of vaccination seems a challenging process and a slowing down progress too.
By changing the pitch of a complete course of two japs. The continuous narrative of the benefits of a complete course may well becomes a negative one and worse of all sounds like a "broken record"!
Perhaps a single jap strategy will be a good introduction in persuading and inclusively adopting a positive and progressive approach going into 2022 and beyond.
Therefore the single dose strategy may be a viable race towards 80% or more in achieving a highly immunised country against covid variants.
Afterwords:
RINGS OF FIRE:
In dealing with big clusters and containments, one can view the EPICENTER as the major occurrence of infected cases. From this epicenter (Red Zone), next is to expand a 5km diameter, this is the Amber zone, there will be scattered minor clusters of no more than 8 per cluster in developments. The next ring of fire is at 10km to 15km which is out of the critical infectious zone. However, the intersecting diameters of other ring of fire from other epicenters will intersect too.
The idea of set, subset and intersect. If we expand this topography infectious map, we will have many rings of fire intersecting each other at various level of alert namely RED (inside 5km), AMBER (5km to 10km) and GREEN (10km to 15km). These rings are valid 30 days or less as it is an evolving virus that transit and transmit! The TT data on physical human movements couple with MND, Statisticians, MOH are relevant resources and parties in plotting such a critical ariel view map in a continuous process to qualify and quantity areas of attention to a minimum level of 50% confidence!
Take a few steps forward, the dosage of the future booster jap perhaps be no more than 40% in a single jap. This measure reduces the quantity is in line with mitigating any unintended consequences same time perhaps there is enough antigens to last for up to 12 months from this booster dose.
Given a targeted TIME and a country of any population SIZE. The bigger the population to immunise, the harder to achieve DOUBLE doses toward a 80% target.
"First Dose likens First Love..."
Think of ADOPTION theory?
"Always look out of the perimeters to solve problem or identify any opportunity or challenge... "
Southern Hemisphere is starting to cycle into WINTER season.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/world/virus-herd-endemic.html
[7:01 pm, 16/06/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
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