REACH 249 - Views on MOH move to not disclose details of each community case, as we move towards a new normal (SK)
30 Jun 2021 (11am - 7pm)
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[10:38 am, 30/06/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢
As we move towards a new normal, MOH said yesterday that they would no longer disclose details (such as age, occupation and places visited) of each new COVID-19 case detected in the community. Instead, MOH’s daily update will now detail the progress made in our nationwide vaccination scheme.
MOH added that there will now be "a strong focus on preventing the virus from spreading, vaccinating our population and starting the process to transit to a new normal".
💬 What are your views on MOH's move to not disclose details of each COVID-19 community case, as we move towards a new normal?
Singapore is continuing to make steady progress with our national vaccination programme. Thus far, about 60 per cent of our population have received at least the first dose of the vaccine.
MOH also announced the shortening of dose intervals yesterday. It said that all eligible individuals can now get their second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine within four weeks of the first, down from the six-to-eight week interval flagged earlier. This would ensure that more of our population can be fully vaccinated earlier.
👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-to-stop-giving-details-of-covid-19-community-cases
👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/spore-shortens-jab-intervals-as-it-ramps-up-vaccination
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/almost-80-of-sporeans-aged-12-to-39-have-booked-covid-19-vaccine-slots-or-taken
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[10:41 am, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Seems to me there are too many community cases and we are going to stop tracking.
[10:43 am, 30/06/2021] +Shane: maybe because the numbers are hovering around 10 ++ and more stable?
[10:43 am, 30/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: If MOH is no longer giving numbers of daily infected rates then how will we know if there are new clusters and take precautions?
[10:44 am, 30/06/2021] +An fan: If it is so stable why not just let us know
[10:44 am, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Agree
[10:50 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-likely-to-produce-long-lasting-immunity-study
US study show that mRNA vaccines like Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna immunity can last for years and even lifetime - as they are stored in bone marrow. Other non-mRNA vaccines may not last a lifetime.
[10:50 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Bloomberg report on how Singapore deal with Delta variants and with reopening - into endemic stage is a test how we can compete with rivals' hubs.
https://sg.yahoo.com/finance/news/singapore-grapples-with-covid-reopening-plans-as-its-rivals-move-on-032239539.html
[10:53 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore facing competition from rival hubs as some opening their borders through successful mass vaccination.
Hence Singapore should focus on our vaccination efforts and ramp it up quickly - so that we can also open our borders to sustain our economy.
[10:53 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore ranking drop drastically.
[10:54 am, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Knowing the details keeps us on the alert & be more cautious & avoid being complacent.
[11:00 am, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Dear REACH, this is progress and MOH should move away from micro-details of this important matter. So, yes, agreed - so that we can try to get on with life (in this new normal that you have put it). However, MOH and the Task Force should give confidence to Sg public there will be transparency on any policies that can possibly directly increase the # of imported cases e.g. if Sg would throw open our borders for whatever reasons. There should also be transparency to the public on the # of community cases if they reach a certain number e.g. 100, and certainties of next steps - and publish this threshold so that we know, and can take confidence. It is also a test of transparency and management. For the public, it is then about self-discipline, and to trust the leader in this matter. This is also so that Sg don't get lost in micro details and forget to adjust our lifestyles.
[11:01 am, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: good, Telling us that covid can be anywhere...
[11:06 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://youtu.be/tuJIV0_xShw
[11:07 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
MOE CCS exploring mandatory vaccination for school students.
[11:08 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-nearly-every-adult-covid-173909216.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZy5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaD9wPVVTK2NkYystK2NvdmlkK2RlYXRoK2lzK3RvdGFsbHkrcHJldmVudGFibGUraWYrcGVvcGxlK3Rha2UrZnVsbCt2YWNjaW5hdGlvbi4mZnI9eWZwLXQmZWk9VVRGLTgmZnA9MQ&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANojGBWz9BFUq3Apc70DSvP8ojcGsqvGy3aTH1y7Q7D9JsPFJTjNOGP36Zt7xTvHM-B_kK8eg588GtPFmXAyJM0xHf_o0FtbSCndrHYk-EcRb8t_xPe-Kx7Z6udCyOZ_LRVxU7U6a85DokiZGAcwjyt8jB47Vf545P-oldouBr8s
US covid death is totally preventable if people take 2 full vaccination jabs.
[11:36 am, 30/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: I still strongly believe that new clusters must be declared for precautionary measures. And for travel agreement with other countries, it will be suspended when daily average for unlink cases go beyond 5pax. All these numbers and details must be revealed daily. My 2.14 cents
[11:36 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Even when eating food can also get choke or may die.
Can sue the food vendors?
Or better don't eat - since may get choke and die.
[11:42 am, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
As we slowly move towards endemic stage, those not vaccinated are particularly vulnerable.
Elderly especially.
Any other ways to make elderly get 100% vaccination - if family members exhausted their means to get the elderly Vaccinated?
Other than mandatory vaccination, can't think of other ways.
[11:44 am, 30/06/2021] +Anne: What is this video? I can’t view it.
[11:45 am, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: non vax, pay their own medical fees for COVID
[11:45 am, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: we can't be subsiding forevery
[11:46 am, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Recipients of Sinovac Covid-19 vaccine not exempted from pre-event testing: MOH
People who have received the Sinovac Covid-19 vaccine will not be exempted from pre-event testing, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Wednesday (June 30).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/recipients-of-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-not-exempted-from-pre-event-testing-moh
[11:47 am, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Singapore tightens border measures for travellers from Australia after spike in COVID-19 cases
Singapore on Wednesday (Jun 30) announced tighter COVID-19 border measures for travellers from Australia due to the increase in the number of cases there.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-border-measures-australia-guangdong-tests-15122788
[11:50 am, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Has it been made mandatory for all incoming travellers to be fully vaccinated b4 they arrive here.
And / or if they arrive here, are they taking advantage of the free vaccination?
[0:08 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: Not too happy about this change.
Particularly on the information relating to clusters where it lists only "Case 123456", the removal of details also means that you can't cross-reference this, making this information meaningless as is.
I want to know the details so that I can monitor for myself if I may possibly have come into contact with any infected persons or been to any of those affected places, and conduct myself accordingly. With this new change, I would be fully reliant on MOH to contact me for potential exposure and I no longer have the information necessary to make informed decisions about whether I continue meeting people or need to monitor my health for a bit.
[0:11 pm, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Agree on this.
[0:15 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: If we don’t have individual case reports of flu or pneumonia, what is our criteria to say that Covid should also be treated the same? At the end of the day, are we in fear of Covid infection or the unavailability of medical help?
[0:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: Agree on this as well
[0:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Alvin Lim: I think the assumption is that those who are vaccinated and got covid don’t require hospitalization. However, they still need to be quarantine and these facilities might get overwhelmed if we treat it like normal flu. Don’t forget there are still some numbers who can’t be vaccinated eg those below 12 years old and those allergy to vaccine.
[0:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: My basis is much simpler. If I'm infected, I may just be a statistic to MOH. But I don't want to pass it on to my 96 year old grandma and let her be the next MOH statistic.
[0:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +Suma pamu: But we still able to know about clusters?
I mean how many cases belong to one particular cluster?!
[1:07 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: They do list that info, but like I said, unless it's clearly linked to a place like CGH, all you get is "Case 123456" and you have no point of reference if who this is or if you're ever at risk.
[1:08 pm, 30/06/2021] +Suma pamu: Oh.. 😏
[1:08 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Someone remove it from the YouTube already.
The video say Moe exploring mandatory vaccination.
[1:09 pm, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Must be fake news
[1:10 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Minister Chan chun sing say it during channel 5 interview.
[1:13 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Covid-19 swab tests begin for VivoCity, HarbourFront Centre mall staff
A steady stream of retail staff trickled into the VivoCity carpark on Wednesday morning (June 30) for their Covid-19 swab tests.
Mandatory testing is under way for all staff who worked at VivoCity and HarbourFront Centre's retail mall between June 13 and June 28.
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/covid-19-swab-tests-begin-for-vivocity-harbourfront-mall-staff
[1:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +Smiley face: TO: Distinguished MTF & All Honorable Members
IN A NUTSHELL!
Thesis - -
How a country choices of sustaining and surviving in a constant surge of Covid variants threat?
Identifying the social-economics crucials, the essentials and the least important ones. These are limited perimeters in choosing position to close or partially open or fully open!
For the situation going forward will be highly uncertain and continuous evolving too - a narrow path!
BACKGROUND:
(I) "SHELL" View Of An Economics Structure:
SME -- Preserving and Protecting the Core
MNC -- Incremental growth (FDI), Continuous Value-Add and sustaining a global RELEVANCY
(II) "SHELL" View of A Covid Intervention Structure:
Soft Infrastructures - - MTF & Depts, news media
Hard Infrastructures - - TT, CT, Q, SHN, Rules
Soft Tools - - PCR, ART, BT, Vacc
SUMMARY:
All of the above are variables that need to be qualified & quantified. By means of relook, redefine and rebalance on a continuous effort.
The world has revolved half of 2021, perhaps, on a global perspective will be another lost year! Preliminary outlook, perhaps, is a consolation compared to 2020 - the preface of Covid 19!
Afterwords:
Public Expectations and Relevant Information:
Qualify:
Hospitalised
Assisted Respiratory
Death
Quantify:
20/30 or more cases within 1km diameter, is a Cluster of "Concern"
20/30 cases or less inside 1km diameter, is classified as "On-Watch"
Both criteria are essentials information for public knowledge as the way towards normalcy and endemic.
Quotation:
"Pandemic, Endemic or in a State of Panic... trickles down to a word: FEAR (pls BALANCED it EXCELLENTLY) ...! "
-- Ian T
"The 4Ps... Perimeters, Procedures, Positions and Possibilities"
-- Ian T
[1:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ken: ?
[1:43 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccinations-lessen-severity-symptoms-disease-experts-15116392
Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can lessen the severity of symptoms: Experts
[1:52 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: PERONNEL VIEW for the day's topic
[1:52 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: As we move towards a new normal, MOH said yesterday that they would no longer disclose details (such as age, occupation and places visited) of each new COVID-19 case detected in the community. Instead, MOH’s daily update will now detail the progress made in our nationwide vaccination scheme.
MOH added that there will now be "a strong focus on preventing the virus from spreading, vaccinating our population and starting the process to transit to a new normal".
[1:54 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: I believe the profile of the infected is NOT required for the public, BUT the Venue or place where there is a clustered shoudl continue to be made known / High Risk places should be made known. Using MOE words - " "a strong focus on preventing the virus from spreading,", you meant just by WORDS and YOUR MOE POWER can stop spreading?
[1:55 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: is the Public that you need to control and with more information given to the public, the risk will be much lower cos people are informed. UNLESS this is done to cater to business needs . Look in such time 2 hands cannot cater to all corners of the society. U cannot have a cake and eat it all. some will have to suffer
[1:55 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: anyway watever we say here is useless cos already cast in stone
[1:56 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but hope the venue of infection / clustered / high risk venue will still be made known to the public ....
[2:05 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: https://goodyfeed.com/spore-gsk-purchase-sotrovimab/
[2:09 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This treatment for covid seems to be promising.
[2:11 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: I'm OK with this. The focus now shifts to other parameters. Great work on the vaccine rollout. I know this could have neen done sooner, but better late than never and as expected it's been organised meticulously!
[2:12 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
If we intend to enter into endemic state, 2 important things must be a pre-requisite:-
1. Population must undergo vaccination.
2. Treatment drugs must be ready to treat patients to ensure recovery.
[2:12 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Is it coveted under the government medical financial aid scheme?
[2:12 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not sure.
No information from MOH.
[2:13 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: No idea what this really means.
[2:14 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: We are doing it because it prevents deaths, serious illness and keeps our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Is that not reason enough?
[2:15 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Agreed, unless medically not able to be vaxxd
[2:15 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Good
[2:15 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Bloomberg covid resilience ranking - say Singapore are less prepared to open up our economy due to the pandemic.
[2:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: another media with hidden political reason to force ppl to open up
[2:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: why not ask them to embrace india and uk ya ....
[2:16 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Well Bloomberg has big influence over global business.
[2:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: ask bloomberg and their panel of experts to embrace and immerse themselves in India for the next 6 mths please
[2:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Yes let's keep repeating this because some people aren't hearing it.
[2:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: Big Influence with politics motives and backing who the hell do not know
[2:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: how we open up and mgt is our business what is it got to do with them
[2:18 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
We can ignore them.
But international investors will use it as a guide.
[2:18 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: trying to act as mouth piece for we know who (yes i heard about how proud some americans are that they have sooooo low infection rates now ) now my word to them the chair is not yours yet but it will soon .. as it is now with uk
[2:18 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: I can't see how they are calculating that score. Makes no sense.
[2:18 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: 🤷
[2:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: those investors with eye will know . those politically motivation will fan fire
[2:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: look at our region if we are worst then our neighbors is what rating? Look at your self before commenting ..
[2:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: or maybe that few million that pass away does not mean anything to THAT country
[2:20 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yeah is not their lives nor their relatives
[2:20 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: instead of focusing what others things focus on what we are doing internally
[2:21 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Well you can make noise all you want.
You can't shut them what they want to write.
[2:21 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: comparison will never end because every minute got some smart arse mouth shooting off his view or country view on political stage den what we got to react to everyone of them ..
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
And you can't stop investors from taking cue from them.
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: of cos i can make the noise whats there to stop me but there is no reason to share how we are falling in ranking
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: duhhh
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: please lah unless we are so screw then investors will shun us
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: in this reason now beside us and hong kong where else can they go
[2:22 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
You mean this not a forum for sharing things that affect us?
[2:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: back home USA / EU ?
[2:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: how does this affect us
[2:24 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: MIT already secure so much confidence in business investment trust them
[2:24 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
We just need to do well - and we will move up the ranking.
There is no need to be emotional about.
We have high EQ.
[2:24 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: some news we know have under current no need to share such
[2:25 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: after all the topic of the day is HOW MOH new actions affects us and our view
[2:25 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: always we divert from from the topic
[2:25 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Why can't share?
This is not fake news.
As long as REACH don't stop, everything can be shared.
You don't want to see, other people may want to see.
[2:26 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Bloomberg is monitored by our government and business sectors.
[2:26 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: such news can have the flip side effects and it does not relate to the topic we talking here
[2:26 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This topic is about going endemic.
Bloomberg is ranking based on endemic.
Why out of topic?
[2:27 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: read topic for the day please
[2:27 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: dun chain link just answer the topic for the directly ya ..
[2:28 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
If REACH administrator did not say cannot post - not up to you to moderate what others can or cannot post.
[2:28 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i am not saying U CANNOT
[2:28 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: i stated NO NEED TO SHARE SUCH .. there is a different meaning and intent
[2:29 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
New normal = endemic.
Bloomberg ranking = endemic.
[2:29 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Like what I say you not moderator - not up to you to stop what people can or cannot post.
[2:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: REPEAT WHAT I MENTION (YES IN CAPS) DID NOT SAY YOU CANNOT MORE DICATE WHAT CAN SAHRE OR CANNOT SHARE, stated there is no such need to share such topic NOT related to today topic ....
[2:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: aka excess / etc information
[2:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: tak faham ahhh?
[2:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: but is ok lah u wanna say i dictate so be it ...
[2:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: u wanna say i stop you so be it
[2:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: no benefits to me also
[2:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: let you win lor as long as u song
[2:32 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
I say Bloomberg ranking = endemic.
Today topic new normal = endemic.
Are you to say not related?
You moderator meh?
[2:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: simply to me your excess information have lttle to do with topic of the day which is related to MOH action
[2:33 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: dun waste other time here with this meaningless discussion
[2:33 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
There are plenty of posting here not related - why don't you moderate every one?
[2:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yawnnnn
[2:34 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
I think your posting alot are meaningless.
Why you post so many unnecessary things and waste people time.
[2:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: yeah my posting is meaning less but at least is not as hyprocirtte and act smart type, is straight from the man on the street view
[2:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: come some degrade my reply as much as possible
[2:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevinn Wang: hahahaha
[2:35 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not replying to you anymore.
Don't want to waste my time and people time.
[2:46 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group. 🙏🏼
[2:48 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Evidently, MOH not posting infection number in this new normal - is to move towards a new normal - by treating covid as entering into endemic state.
2. Endemic state is where covid will be treated as mild flu.
3. Bloomberg ranking shows that Singapore is dropping in ranking with our response to the covid - by not opening up our economy and moving fast enough to the endemic state.
4. Hence, moving quickly to the endemic state, become important as a business hub.
5. But for Singapore to move into endemic state, public health safety must be secured.
6. With live secured, livelihood must also be secured.
Because without lives - there will be no livelihood.
And without livelihood, there will be no lives.
7. Hence 2 pre-requisite must be in place :-
a. Vaccination must be ramp up to ensure everyone must be protected.
b. Treatment drugs must be in place to treat covid-19 patients if people are symptomatic.
8. Only when public health safety is secured - then we can safely enter into the endemic state - by opening up our borders.
9. Notice today MOH announcement of not announcing infection number - is the first step to move into endemic state.
10. However I will like to urge the government to focus in getting the unreluctance people to get themselves vaccinated especially the elderly who are the most vulnerable.
11. I am sure Singapore will be able to move up our covid resiliency ranking in Bloomberg once we succeeded in our vaccination efforts - and the world will reinstate their confidence in us again as a forward looking business hub.
[2:49 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: 7-day stay-home notice for travellers from Australia; none for Guangdong province
Border restrictions will be tightened for those flying into Singapore from Australia and relaxed for those flying in from China's Guangdong province, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in a statement on Wednesday (June 30).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/7-day-stay-home-notice-for-travellers-from-australia-none-for-guangdong-province
[2:49 pm, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Probably US is hiding the real actual numbers of cases & deaths, or not doing enough testing. which reflects its decreasing numbers. Probably there are already taking it as endemic...
[2:52 pm, 30/06/2021] +Valli: Likewise India is reporting decreasing numbers. They also come to a stage of giving up. And let the transmission just take its own course. Containing the virus is beyond their capability.
[2:52 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
US has already move into endemic state.
You also note that quite a number of EU countries also have move into endemic state.
Israel also.
So the Bloomberg ranking - is a global indicator of which countries have moved into endemic state.
Unlike some ignorant people don't know what is going on - and try to act smart.
[2:53 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comments:-
MOH has decided not disclosing details of individual community case but it is still closely tracking and monitoring the details correct? As we move on to define and live life in the new normal, we need to be aware that the world is recovering or still suffering from the ravages of covid 19. Hence, detailed monitoring is still necessary.
[2:59 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: How many kids got into these kind of severity-symptoms? How fatal to boys under 18? There is also experts calling halt to vaccinate our boys
[3:00 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Which experts?
[3:01 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Those so call experts are not experts in the infectious field - and comprehensively rebutted.
[3:01 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/context-important-risks-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-benjamin-ong-15112768
MOH expert committee chair - give a more robust response to those doctors that attempt to derail the mRNA vaccination program - which is design to protect our school children.
[3:02 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Curious what you thought of my reply to the cartoon you posted. Did it make sense why it is important to be vaccinated even if it is not 100% preventative?
[3:04 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
In fact why today topic exist - because Bloomberg ranking play a big part
Not related?
[3:07 pm, 30/06/2021] +Smiley face: " numbers like figures, it pleases the eyes... "
-- Ian T
[3:08 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: The reason is good enough. And I believe we will achieve the 70% vaccination rate soon. Some people age 40+ registered and took jabs with those 60+ as they found there was no age check there on the website. So let alone those who want to wait and see if good intentions work well. How is Israel now?
[3:11 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
No countries in the world has reached 80% vaccination rate yet.
Not even Israel.
That's why Israel is getting children to vaccinate.
Only 80% is barely achieving herd immunity
[3:12 pm, 30/06/2021] +Thomas: We got to understand the motives of those Doctors in doing it.
[3:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Feels like vaccine discrimination; where on the other hand, the public is asked to set aside reservations about those vaccines that are govt-sanctioned and view these vaccines in the "right context". Honestly, if Sinovac is really not good enough for SG, it would be good to show proof and stop its release to the public.
[3:20 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Let us say and old man had heart disease, unfortunatelyhe caught COVID, later on he died in 3 days after that. It would be reported he died of COVID right? If the same person died 3 days after taking vaccines, it would be reported there was no relationship to vaccination since he already had heart disease. Am I right?
[3:20 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Yes 95% is that number and even then with vaccines at 98%+ effectiveness. Our vaccines are 90% so need everyone vaccinated. Even then many people will still get infected at some point.
[3:20 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: An old man
[3:21 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: It's better than nothing and if people refuse mRNA vaccines this is still helpful.
[3:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: No I don't think that is right. There are many reported cases of covid in vaccinated people.
[3:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: I know. But its reads like things are being made a bit more difficult for people who choses Sinovac.
[3:22 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
[3:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Well yes, because it's not proven to be as effective. That's a choice people make.
[3:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Thomas: It’s political. China’s vaccine and we cannot outright ban it. I was ask by friends in HK why we charge people here to take Sinovac. There’s certain pride involved here for Chinese although the efficacy not so great as mNra
[3:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: No one is being forced to take sinovac
[3:23 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: I suspect that might be true
[3:24 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
UAE ban unvaccinated people from most public places.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/28/no-shot-no-service-abu-dhabi-to-ban-unvaccinated-people-from-most-public-places/
[3:24 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: There would be enough data about sinovac now though.
[3:25 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: Think got to be fair to those who too mRNAs one. So that we are all protected especially for those that need PET.
[3:28 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: No travel, no eating out, no household visitors, no visiting other houses. Difficult to enforce, but sends a message how important it is to get vaccinated.
[3:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: That is right! No proper data provided. Even China itself does not trust it. Those Chinese who already took 2 jabs and were allowed to move freely in Singapore after less than 48 hours waiting for test results only. But when they go back to China, they still need to serve 14-28 days quarantine in hotels! Days vary on cities.
[3:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: Well already got stocks in SG. So just used it.. storing it everyday is a running cost
[3:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Protection for all is important. But the US news shared above shows deaths too from mRNA. Vaccines are not a "superman shot", and granted there are some that can be totally ineffective. If Sinovac is not totally ineffective, why are people who are injected with it still need pre-event checking (and can even be prevented from entering into places of worships as the ST article reported) while the mRNA recipients do not need?
[3:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Hahaha...that's believable. Get rid of the costs on one hand, while people who gets injected with it are treated as though they are not protected...
[3:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: mRNA is around 90%, Sinovac around 50% - (I'd need to confirm those, can't remember exactly). That's a big difference, but 50% better than nothing. Remember getting vaccinated is also about protecting others. The more effective the vaccine the less you will spread.
[3:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: While I can understand where this is coming from, the requirement to still do PET for those who choose Sinovac should've been made clear right at the start when this was made available for registration. So now some of them are stuck after getting a first jab. Do they go and get Pfizer next? Can they even do so?
[3:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: True - why pay for a less effective vaccine. Makes no sense to do this.
[3:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: True, but yes I believe they can get a Pfizer jab as well. Might even be more protected!
[3:33 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/mixing-covid-19-vaccines-appears-boost-immune-responses
[3:33 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: Not sure if the mixing of vaccines have been approved in SG. I know it's approved in UK for AZ+Pfizer, but I don't think any country has done Sinovac+something else yet.
[3:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: I can only rely on public reports like this: https://fortune.com/2021/01/13/sinovac-vaccine-efficacy-rate-drop/
[3:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: "...Sinovac’s relatively low efficacy rate of 50% was due to its more rigorous standard for what counts as an infection among trial volunteers. The Butantan Institute said it included six types of cases in its results: asymptomatic, very mild, mild, two levels of moderate, and severe. (The Brazilian authorities stressed that the public should focus on the vaccine's 100% efficacy in protecting against severe cases of COVID-19.) Western vaccine makers generally included only mild, moderate, and severe categories, and companies like Pfizer are doing additional studies to see if the vaccine will prevent asymptomatic cases..."
[3:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: ah ok.
[3:36 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Well, a more powerful medicine can have a wider "kill" radius... :)
[3:37 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Does seem quite random: Turkey has claimed that Sinovac’s vaccine is 91.25% effective in preventing COVID-19 infections, and Indonesia has said it's 65% effective. (Both figures are based on interim trial data from the respective countries.)
[3:37 pm, 30/06/2021] +Anne: In US, yes. In Singapore I don’t think so. I believe our G will provide accurate report.
However, there’s one thing that bothers me - death after vaccination. I have heard of people who died after vaccination but the cause is usually pre existing condition, like heart disease. There was one case where someone even lodged a police report just to get a coroner to examine the body.
Although so far there is no death linked to those vaccines, but nevertheless having someone we know just die after vaccination is highly shocking. Could the vaccines have accelerated the deaths due to pre existing conditions, regardless of whether these conditions are known or unknown.
I have a family member who suffered a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine. He has quite a macabre sense of humour and asked me what would I do if he were to drop dead in front of me one day. And I wondered, if he were to really die, and the cause of death is due to a pre existing condition (not known to us since this guy is healthy), is it because the vaccine accelerated his death? Could he have lived much longer, many more years, if he had not taken the vaccine?
[3:37 pm, 30/06/2021] +Boon: Yes... thanks for sharing!
[3:39 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevin: 5 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all linked
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-cases-new-linked-jun-30-moh-15122092
[3:40 pm, 30/06/2021] +Kevin: Can resume back work from office liao
[3:42 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: 5 new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all linked
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-cases-new-linked-jun-30-moh-15122092
[3:45 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Stage 2 of Thomson-East Coast MRT Line to open on Aug 28
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/stage-2-of-thomson-east-coast-mrt-line-to-open-on-aug-28
[3:47 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Can or should we do this!?
[3:56 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: 12 allegedly found socialising in unlicensed KTV unit at Woodlands Industrial Park
https://sg.news/?p=574619
[4:06 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: SinoVac and SinoPharm's vaccines are based on the traditional whole-microbe approach - Inactivated vaccine, Live-attenuated vaccine. Viral vector vaccine, whereas the Pfizer and Moderna ones are based on the modern Genetic approach - mRNA. There is also the subunit approach to vaccine production.
Pros of Whole-microbe approach:
- Can be developed quickly
- Tested and proven "old" tech
Cons:
- Requires special laboratory facilities to grow the virus or bacterium safely
- Can have a relatively long production time
- Will likely require repeated vaccinations
Most importantly, since this kind of vaccines works by introducing the virus (inactivated/weakened forms) into our body to trigger an immune response, it tend to be less effective/is not suitable when:
- the person's immunity is already compromised
- the virus mutates rapidly
I suspect this explains the varied efficacy range reported by different countries ie. A country with fewer new variants within its community, would (initially) report a higher efficacy/protection rate, whereas another country where there may be newer variants emerging, will see lower efficacy/protection rates since the body's immune system has not been triggered to recognise the newer strains of the virus, and hence, does not offer protection against it.
Unfortunately, we are currently at the phase where we cannot afford to be as cautious as we would like to ie. wait for more data on whether mRNA is truly effective/safe/what other unknown long term side effects etc etc because WE are the generation who needs to be THE DATA. Yes. we will have to be the genuine pigs ... for our future generations.
If the majority refuse to be vaccinated, we will most likely be wiped out before we have sufficient data/knowledge to acquire the "perfect" vaccine.
Eventually, with the experience, data and knowledge gained from the effects of the vaccine on US. scientists will be able to develop safer and more effective vaccines, as well as therapeutics to complement it.
So, for those who refuse vaccination out of fear of the unknown... I only have this to say .. the rest of us who went ahead to take the vaccine are not blind to the dangers either. We are also afraid that things might go wrong with our body/health. We are fully aware of that there is still a lot of unknowns about the longer term effects of the current vaccines... but I (and most of us) still decided to do it because we care about our future generations.
[4:10 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This will motivate those unvaccinated to vaccinate.
[4:13 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: The 13 year old boy died in US after vaccination, his parents must be very regretful.
[4:14 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: http://www.thejakartapost.com/paper/2021/06/29/world-passes-3-billion-vaccine-mark-in-race-to-contain-covid.html
World passes 3-billion-vaccine mark in race to contain COVID
[4:15 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
3 billion has Vaccinated without problem and are protecting them.
1 boy died still have not confirmed whether is it due to the vaccines.
Is there a sense of proportion?
[4:17 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
People die by drowning in swimming pool.
Should we ban swimming in swimming pool?
What is the he sense of proportion?
[4:17 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
More than 3 million without vaccination has die.
Why you don't feel regretful for those not vaccinating?
[4:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Different people have different mentality. Climbing the Everest leads to so many dead bodies on the mountain. Still so many people are challenging it.
[4:20 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yah, so your message is?
[4:21 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: If one wants to be vaccinated, go ahead. If not let him be
[4:23 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Then he should have less privileged to visit certain public places if not vaccinated.
Many countries start to impose these restrictions to those unvaccinated.
Protecting public health is the responsibility of the government.
[4:26 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: The world should united to find the root cause of the virus. Lab? Which one? Who spread it? Stop from the root. Otherwise there will be always be variations here and there.
[4:27 pm, 30/06/2021] +Suma pamu: The problem is if we look at Number it will be just number for all of Us but for that family
Its their life...
And despite I am very confident on Pfizer and moderna
When comes to my daughter turn
I prefer Viral vector vaccines which are more traditional way😉
Luckily she will turn 12 only in Nov
Bu the time More data will be available about m vaccines
[4:27 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: I think the bigger issue here is why wasn't this serious side effect not communicated widely before?
There were talks of rashes and some side effects, but don't remember any talks about myocarditis, until Isreal released a study last month or so.
If ppl were informed of these potential side effect and at the same time share stat that says out of 1 miilion vaccinated only 50 get it, then ppl would have understood the concern and made an informed decision.
Ppl would even agree that vaccination benefits outweigh the risks otherwise.
But the lack of such communication potentially sowed the seeds of doubt.
I read a comment somewhere last night "50 out of a million seems like a low number until its ur own son who gets it. Then thats all that matters"
[4:28 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Those are valid questions and I can see why you are concerned. Hope you will also consider this:
1. Have you not came across reports or known friends (or friends of friends) who were otherwise healthy, suddenly drop dead for no (initially) obvious reason? I have.
2. Have you then found out that this otherwise "healthy" individual had actually been living for decades with a rare, undetected health issue for decades... no problems/issues until that fateful day? I have
3. Wrt the family member you mentioned, it sounds like you are not aware that he had a pre-existing condition and that taking that first dose actually uncovered it. He is obviously still alive AFTER the 1st dose. Can you (or anyone) be certain that he would have lived longer NOT KNOWING and NOT TREATING the condition?
4. Since he is aware of a previously unknown condition, is he seeking treatment/changing his lifestyle, which by right, should extend his lifespan? If so, it seems to me the "vaccine" would have indirectly delayed his eventual death. Does this make sense to you?
[4:28 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
What has the root got to do with our Delta variants?
[4:31 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: Finding the root potentially can help understand and fight this virus and all its variants.
Delta variant or any other variant doesnt mean its a new virus. Its just an evolved virus.
Understanding the virus (Original) itself can be extremely useful in tackling any mutations of it
[4:32 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Yes. I am sure they felt no less sorrow than the parents of those whose chidren died because they were NOT vaccinated
[4:33 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: There are investigations ongoing. Though it may seems fake news. But some did believe the delta one was purposely spread there.
[4:33 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Wow your conspiracy theory again.
[4:34 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Time will tell
[4:34 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
This is WHO job not our job - unless we want to get entangled with the unnecessary geopolitical tussle.
[4:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Climbing mountain and vaccinating against CV19 are quite different... conquering Mt Everest is personal. Whether or not you attempt it, does not affect most people. Vaccination on the other hand, has a direct impact on the community you live in.
[4:35 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Then is swimming same as taking vaccines?
[4:36 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Eating food is same as taking vaccines?
[4:36 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Why does that matter now? So that when a patient is gasping his/her last breath, he/she can curse 1 last time, whoever/whatever is responsible? 😂
[4:38 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: The variants, by the way, is the result of people who refuse to be vaccinated, and hence are hosting the virus, allowing it to mutate 🙄
[4:38 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: If you do not catch the person who sets fire, you need to always put out fire.
[4:38 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Vaccination same as forcing people to die?
[4:39 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: That is you comparing these 2.
[4:39 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: We are not experts to conclude the origins. But with recent revelations of actual gain of function research being carried out in the lab with the funding from US as well does create suspicions.
Anyway, finding the root doesn't have to be about finding who to blame. Its about finding the source which potentially has a ton of information about the virus itself. Which can help everyone fight this together
[4:40 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
So are you suggesting someone deliberately invent and spread the virus?
You better have prove before you say this.
Some big boy will come after you if you spew this without proof.
[4:40 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Errr.. because there was insufficient data/cases in the early stages to confirm causation?
[4:42 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Like I say, this is WHO job not our job.
We don't need to drag in into this issue where it won't help us at all.
We just be obedient and get ourselves and our family members go for vaccination - is a good social responsible person.
[4:44 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: That person is then at risk for spreading the virus, putting pressure on health care as well. Would it then be fair to let people not be vaccinated and then deny then health-care or access to public places?
[4:44 pm, 30/06/2021] +Golden: Hope all of your elderly family n friends have gone for the jab.
[4:45 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: 'always'? there has been one virus that was suspected from a lab and no evidence it was. I do agree it would be useful to discover if possible, so to learn and not blame!
[4:45 pm, 30/06/2021] +Golden: If Philippines legislated, wonder how difficult to achieve here? It’s just like all the vaccines we took since infant.
[4:47 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: I thought the age range is based on year of birth, not date of birth, ie calendar year turning 12. Does anyone know for sure?
[4:48 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Indonesia legislate as mandatory vaccination.
Philippines President say jab or jail - but not approved by Congress.
To date Indonesia is the only country that has mandatory vaccination.
But many countries including advanced countries put restrictive measures on those unvaccinated.
[4:49 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: That would be all that matters to those parents yes of course. It would be terribly sad to perish from a vaccine and seem very unjust. Equally would it be fair to deny the child a vaccine and see them suffer from disease that would have been prevented. The odds of death are miniscule, compared to contracting disease which is high.
[4:51 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: huh? now people are saying the Delta virus was deliberate? At what point do these claims become ridiculous to you?
[4:51 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Your statement is only true if:
1. You believe the CV19 virus is created by some evil scientist in a lab and/or
2. The virus is so complex that all the scientists studying the virus are unable to decipher its structure etc
So far, (1) is irrelevant in my humble opinion, since (2) is untrue.
If you spend just a little bit of time to research the subject, you will realise that there is a wealth of knowledge readily available and some, even easily understood by laymen.
What is more puzzling, is the thought process of conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and the like...
[4:51 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: Thats true
[4:52 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore will also be imposing dual tracks.
Restrictions in both overseas travel and domestic events for those unvaccinated.
But this will have little effect on elderly who mainly hole up at home.
To get elderly to vaccinate, other measures must be adopted.
[4:52 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: https://twitter.com/straits_times/status/1409262156902584320?s=21
[4:54 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
But vaccinated people will still have privileged over the unvaccinated.
This is the stand adopted worldwide.
[4:54 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: just as there are many who still believe Trump to be a Messiah, Men are from Mars while Women... were from Venus ...
[4:54 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: No need for businesses to deny access to those who have been to places visited by Covid-19 cases: MOH
There is no need for businesses or premise owners to deny access to persons who reside, work at, or have visited locations accessed by confirmed Covid-19 cases, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said on Wednesday (June 30).
More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/no-need-for-businesses-to-deny-access-to-those-who-have-been-to-places-visited-by
[4:55 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: question is .... how much time for whom to be told what
[4:56 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: if you do not put out the fire first, there may be no one left to put it out later
[4:56 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: Please lets not play name calling and stereotyping ppl. This is supposed to be a open discussion. If we are to call everyone who has a concern on vaccine an anti vaccee or conspiracy theorist, we don't need this platform.
The important rule for an open discussion is to understand that not one view is always right.
I agree on your conditions of 1 and 2. I never said an evil scientist invented it. I said we need to find the root cause.
Which we can all agree now that is yet to be established.
If you feel finding the source is not going to help fight the problem, then i respect you opinion, but at the same time i think it may not be true always. Finding the source can give a wealth of more knowledge or fast track the process
[4:57 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/where-are-unvaccinated-people-not-allowed-to-travel-.html
Only vaccinated people are welcome.
[4:57 pm, 30/06/2021] +An fan: Yeah, vaccinated people have more protection to themselves, not others.
[5:02 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Herd immunity will prevent host jumping.
This is what scientists say.
It happens to resolving of all pandemic. And every one must play a part to achieve it.
Unless you don't believe in science.
And you don't seem to want to be a part of the solution - but a problem to the pandemic.
[5:03 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
But how does Singapore intend to find the source of the virus?
[5:04 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
And is it important for Singapore to do so?
[5:07 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: Singapore may have a role to play as a member of WHO and UN in deciding on this matter. Singapore's technical expertise/experts in this field could play a part.
Sorry I am not an expert on this subject to tell what Singapore could do though. 😅
It all started with me trying to reply someone who asked would finding the root cause help
[5:07 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: I am not name-calling. I am making a statement to the effect that understanding such people is much more perplexing since their beliefs are based on the opposite of what most of us know to be true.
I am not saying we do not need to know the origins,,, just that i feel the priority should be to work on a solution .. which, so far, has proved does not require uncovering the source/originator.
Eventually... when we have successfully eradicated the threat, then, I am sure there will be many, who would focus their efforts on uncovering the origins of the virus and write a nice (his)story about this pandemic.
[5:08 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: Where have you been all this while and what the h@11 have you been reading??? 😂😂😂😂
[5:09 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Wrong!
[5:10 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: And that someone asked because you seem to believe that the solution lies in finding the root cause .. although you keep repeating that "I am not an expert on this subject " 😂
[5:10 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes unless you want a superpower to sanction your trade.
Australia trade has been sanctions - losing multiple billion dollars.
Are you suggesting Singapore take this path?
[5:10 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Exactly
[5:11 pm, 30/06/2021] +Suma pamu: No
Its as per date of birth.
[5:11 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Leave it to the medical expert and just do your part positively without procrastination
[5:11 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Why do we want to get drawn into 2 superpower geopolitical tussle - as suggested by some of these people here?
[5:13 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: We will be finished trying to!
[5:13 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Either we are politically naive or we feel too garang to be drawn into people's geopolitical warfare.
[5:14 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: Please check. Did I make that claim. Are you an expert to say it won't work?
We are both sharing our opinions. But I am saying I am not an expert cos don't ask me the solution
[5:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: Anyway. Let's not have this go out of hand. The discussion is not about the root cause.
[5:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Exactly
[5:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Dilasan. J: 🙏
[5:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: It is not my opinion that it will or will not work ... it is a fact that the scientists have been able to develop multiple vaccines that have a high efficacy rate and provide advise on how to limit the spread without having uncovered the ORIGINS to-date
[5:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Origins of the virus will be debated for an indefinite time as no country will want to be upfront about the root cause. Speculation is ongoing and accusations are flying back and forth all over. Worldwide priority is a working vaccine with aim towards herd immunity
[5:24 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: I am of the opinion that Facts should trump opinions .. but I accept that there are others who prefer to opine while ignoring facts. I do not insist anyone agrees to what I have to say. I may be wrong in the end... no expert in this field as well...and not here to pick a fight with anyone. I have definitely learnt a lot from others' sharing their thoughts/knowledge here as well.
[5:24 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: We all are
[5:28 pm, 30/06/2021] +Jospeh Ong: To be honest, a friend of mine, who has a PhD, and had practical/field work experience in virology, retro-viruses and corona-viruses, was slightly biased towards believing that CV19 may be man-made... but that was in the early phases of the pandemic... haven't checked back with him on whether he still thinks so 😅
[5:34 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
It will cause us to lose more than US $100 billion in trade if a super power decide to sanction us - by being politically naive.
[5:44 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Finance Minister Lawrence Wong to deliver ministerial statement on Covid-19 support measures on July 5
Finance Minister Lawrence Wong will deliver a ministerial statement in Parliament next Monday (July 5) on the Government's support measures for businesses affected by tightened Covid-19 restrictions.
He will also set out the funding approach for these measures in his statement at 3pm that day, the Ministry of Finance said on Wednesday (June 30).
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/finance-minister-lawrence-wong-to-deliver-ministerial-statement-on-covid-19
[5:59 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: Agree
[6:05 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Government fire the 1st salvo.
Only vaccinated can attend the NDP parade.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ndp-2021-to-be-held-at-marina-bay-floating-platform-with-fewer-spectators-all-must-be
[6:08 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: SAF has achieved ‘herd immunity’ through COVID-19 vaccinations; IPPT, in-camp training resume: Ng Eng Hen https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/saf-covid-19-vaccination-herd-immunity-ict-ippt-15124174#.YNxCnDqRu2Q.whatsapp
[6:10 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Well done.
90% vaccination.
Wonder how SAF did it.
Can replicate to the whole population in Singapore?
[6:10 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: Maybe is by batch? So got peer pressure in a sense
[6:11 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
Should replicate it to our population.
[6:14 pm, 30/06/2021] +Simon: Yes sir yes sir 3 bags full😬
[6:15 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: Oh dear... The boys will be so sad, book out already cannot meet gf..
[6:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: Huh
[6:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: But if vax liao leo
[6:16 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: Lei
[6:17 pm, 30/06/2021] +CQ: 🤷🏻♀️
[6:18 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: SAF has achieved Covid-19 herd immunity, more than 90% fully vaccinated by mid-July: Ng Eng Hen
The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) can minimise disruptions to activities involving national servicemen when Covid-19 infections arise as it has achieved herd immunity through vaccination, said Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen.
It will not have to close its training institutes and can also ease restrictions to allow units to operate at maximum effectiveness, he added, as he set out the SAF’s shift towards living with the disease.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/saf-has-achieved-covid-19-herd-immunity-more-than-90-fully-vaccinated-by-mid-july-ng-eng
[6:19 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: NDP 2021 to be held at Marina Bay floating platform with fewer spectators; all must be vaccinated
This year's National Day Parade (NDP) will return to the Marina Bay floating platform as a centralised, in-person event, but with fewer participants and spectators, said Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen on Monday (June 28).
Covid-19 precautions require all participants and spectators to be fully vaccinated, he said.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ndp-2021-to-be-held-at-marina-bay-floating-platform-with-fewer-spectators-all-must-be
[6:29 pm, 30/06/2021] +Rama: How about the various law enforcement agencies?
[6:45 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
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Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
[6:47 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: "NDP 2021 to be held at Marina Bay floating platform with fewer spectators; all must be vaccinated" Excellent
[6:48 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: "an appropriate occasion to shift to living with the disease, but managing it so that you can get back to a new normal." - exactly right
[6:50 pm, 30/06/2021] +Ben: and whilst I enjoy fireworks too, maybe we should be more environmentally conscious and move to other aerial display, such as drones? The displays could also be easily relocated and repeated around the island so people could enjoy them without having to make a trip.
[6:54 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: 👍
[6:54 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: And pls no fireworks at floating platform
[6:55 pm, 30/06/2021] +Caleb: If not later another outbreak and closure.. sia suay
[6:59 pm, 30/06/2021] ☸️ Danny 心:
If you receive the above pamphlet, don't throw it away as the redemption slip is inside the pamphlet to collect the free Oximeter. A lot of people had threw it away.
[7:00 pm, 30/06/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
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