REACH 170 - Public Sector Outcome (SK)
27 Nov 2020 (11am - 10pm)
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[0:52 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Dear contributors,
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[0:53 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Incomes in Singapore have continued to rise in the past five years while necessities like education remain affordable. Furthermore, for the first time in five years, 2019 shows Singapore's Gini coefficient - a measure of income inequality - dipping below 0.4.
The Singapore Public Sector Outcomes Review (Spor), a stock-take of the sector's work that is unveiled every two years, rounds up key figures in such areas as the economy and social support.
But unlike past editions, this year's review has a special section in recognition of the whole-of-nation effort to fight the coronavirus pandemic. Titled "Emerging Stronger as One", it highlights how Singaporeans, businesses and the community have stepped forward to partner the Government to help those in need.
The four key takeaways for Singapore's economy include reduced income inequality and more work opportunities, competitive economy and workforce, a pro-business environment and improved access to digital services, but slowing growth and employment due to COVID-19.
๐ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/public-service-report-card-incomes-of-singaporeans-rise-and-inequality-falls-but-growth
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Blue and White Flag Guy
[0:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Happy Friyay OG Megan!! Since the topic is pretty much on partnership again, I hope we can hear more from other contributors about their opinion on PPPs ๐
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Ben
[1:12 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Seems like a good topic. What feedback is being sought?
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[1:16 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Singapore has done well.
After covid, we must attempt to recover from what we have lost.
[1:18 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-beidou-has-surpassed-american-gps-in-over-165-countries-reports/
China GPS surpass US GPS.
Many global geographical area coverage have been taken over by China.
China has captured many countries data in telecommunications, likely to drive 5G, autonomous cars, and in future may takeover the role to guide missiles guidance system.
Useful information for our telecom, satellites provider, 5G developers, military and home affairs.
As well as for our shipping lines that need guidance from GPS to navigate to foreign countries.
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[1:28 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Have MOH manage to find out where local transmission got it from?
[1:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I hope this group gets the heaviest penalty for being so socially irresponsible, little girl on MC still bring her out for gathering
[1:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Good afternoon @ื ืชื ืื ืื ืืื ืืืื ื ๐ฎ๐ฑ
[1:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: More worrying is where the guy got it from
[1:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I also curious about it. Please advise us.
[1:31 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Yeah, agreed. Must fine or penalty gao gao
[1:31 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Likely the shipyard he work at, just my 3.14 cents guess
[1:31 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Good afternoon @Kevin bro
[1:31 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Oh, he worked at Shipyard previously?
[1:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I think MOH need to do a swap test on all the people in the restaurant, just to be safe..
[1:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I think article says that, I briefly glance through last night as my bed time story
[1:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: You never pay attenshun hor
[1:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Just my opinion
[1:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I guess it’s from the ship as well
[1:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: He works for some Maritime Services
[1:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: He is a black sheep in the community
[1:35 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If that’s the case maybe those who boarded the ship should be tested
[1:36 pm, 27/11/2020] +: While we do not know the type of ship he work with, I am pretty sure that the virus can hide and thrive in the air circulation ducts and perhaps he got it from there
[1:36 pm, 27/11/2020] +: That is why, personal hygiene is important, same goes for mask
[1:37 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/temasek-foundation-returns-with-third-mask-distribution-exercise-from-nov-30
[2:08 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Shipyards are a hotspots.
Hope screening of all his contacts at work & quarantine ASAP to prevent cluster is crucial.
[2:08 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If our government is ready, it will be good to share the vaccination strategy for our population.
Understand that Asia, US and Europe have anchor vaccines agreement with some of the vaccines vendors.
Wonder how ready are we.
[2:09 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-vaccine-asia-australia-astrazeneca-pfizer-moderna-13644422
Valli
[2:10 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Masks for all residents, is any effort to distribute this to dormitory workers under way?
[2:10 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Don't know.
[2:12 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I wonder if the penalty will match this, at least: https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3111541/singaporean-expats-fined-breaching-coronavirus-regulations
[2:14 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Other financial news: https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2020/11/26/stock-market-crash-the-end-game-and-down-the-rabbit-hole/
[2:14 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Does Singapore have a plan for this outcome?
[3:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/singapore-arcturus-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate-on-track-for-2021-delivery.html?__source=iosappshare%7Cnet.whatsapp.WhatsApp.ShareExtension
[3:02 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Essential and needy to be given first.
[3:05 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I don't think a monetary penalty scares any one. Many have the attitude of just pay fine lor. I propose jail time. Maybe a one-week jail plus 200 hours of community service for such inconsiderate people. Won't have social gathering will die kind.
[3:07 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Jail time!
[3:24 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Canning works better
[3:29 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Both!
[3:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: or perhaps the fit and healthy? The vulnerable are more likely to have serious side effects on a vaccine that is still quite new. I'm not an anti-vaxxer and strongly believe vaccines are good. Equally, this has been expedited and elderly/sick less 'tested'.
[3:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Perhaps - but $3,000 per person is no small number. $15,000 for a family of 5 is a very expensive meal out....
[3:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Government has current expertise on the panel looking into appropriate release.
[3:32 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Ouch... But if not pain no one scare... someone have to set an example
[3:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Yes, I'd be happy to trust they are doing this properly.
[3:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: And the restaurant should be penalised for allowing it - that's my view.
[3:34 pm, 27/11/2020] +: They must have seen mingling between tables and did nothing.
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[3:38 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 4 new COVID-19 infections in Singapore, all imported
Singapore reported four new COVID-19 cases as of noon on Friday (Nov 27), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its preliminary daily update.
All the new cases were imported and placed on stay-home notice upon arrival in Singapore.
More details will be provided on Friday night, said the health ministry.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-nov-27-imported-community-moh-13649654
[3:40 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Bear in mind, GKY said not the entire population will be innoculated.
[3:58 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Perhaps it should be raised to $5,000 per violation per person plus jail time, plus community service. I am also for shaming. I know it's mean and I know that's not what we as a society should do. But that's what we need to do if people can't follow simple instructions and choose to violate rules.
[4:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Agree that the restaurant needs to be held accountable too
[4:08 pm, 27/11/2020] +: We have to consider that no one will go and see doctor or declare anything in the future if one becomes symptomatic. Contact tracing will be more difficult then.
[4:10 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If community service, can leave out canning.
[4:11 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Interesting point. If the penalties are very severe, then no one will get tested if they recently were in violation.
[4:13 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Again?!
[4:19 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Then don't violate in the first place! Take the example of trafficking in of drugs. Would you do it knowing there's the death penalty? Perhaps there are some who would but many would think twice. Social gatherings are not a necessity.
[4:19 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Restaurant don’t really have a choice... if you do business you will know... no choice...
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: not true bro
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Just sad that people like to bulldoze their way knowingly make the choice.
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I don't think it's a matter of whether they have a choice or not. They could be more firm in enforcing.
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: they will reject customers
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Reject and reject customers.
[4:20 pm, 27/11/2020] +: That's why government covers the medical expenses. To encourage more people to seek treatment early hence early detection and early isolation.
[4:21 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Sure, the customers will go on to social media and cry father cry mother. But would they dare if penalties are severe and restaurant can then say these people violated the rules? So again, if you get monkeys that don't follow rules, then they need to be put in cages.
[4:21 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Reject and eject customers.
[4:23 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Black sheep amongst customers and f and b operators
[4:24 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Then the sheep need to be caged too.
[4:24 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Yes!
[4:27 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Authorities are not doing enough. Prevention is better than cure. Go around to the shopping malls and restaurants, you will see that there's no pandemic in these places. Shopping malls and restaurants are already in Phase 5 when the rest of Singapore is in Phase 2.
[4:27 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If the waiters and waitress do this, then the boss may do the same to them.
[4:27 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Do we want to wait until there's another outbreak before tightening and enforcing the rules again?
[4:27 pm, 27/11/2020] +: This is true story. Hooters will not let a group of more than 5 sit side by side on tables across the aisle. They will put one of them really far away.
[4:28 pm, 27/11/2020] +: So yes, they can enforce or reject.
[4:28 pm, 27/11/2020] +: The waiters and waitresses can whistleblow.
[4:28 pm, 27/11/2020] +: It's a whole of society approach. People still don't understand.
[4:29 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If restaurant bosses fire a waiter or waitress for this, then the bosses really need to look at themselves and ask what kind of example they are setting.
[4:30 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Many are part timers. So the boss just don't roster that staff back unless really no one to cover lor
[4:31 pm, 27/11/2020] +: There are many restaurants. ¶«¼ׂ²»´ืข£¬´ืข־ืง¼ׂ.
[4:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: However I do know of many fearless staff who will tell the customers out front upon arrival that strictly no mingling with or befriending other customers otherwise they will have to leave the premise. But they collect payment prior the meal, just in case
[4:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: They are just doing what they are supposed to do.
[4:34 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Back to this article, I felt that it will be better if Gov kick off the relaxation of travel rules tgt with Phase 3. I agree to the part on managing risks, but the part on how to ensure everyone is on the same page is left to be desired. Everyone has their interpretation of the rules. The recent community case where 1 person was infected because he decided to have a meal with 14 is a good example of people bending the rules to their discretion. I dun blame him, as the restrictions were implemented since Mar, I had given my prediction that with festivities nearing, this person will not be the last person to flout the restrictions. How are we going to manage the risks remain as a challenge for the gov, especially when we are expecting to go into phase 3 soon.
[4:34 pm, 27/11/2020] +: The duty manager sets the atmosphere
[4:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐จ๐ฑ๐๐คฃ๐
[4:45 pm, 27/11/2020] +: There was a recent incident whereby staff gathered at the front entrance of a pub to delay a group of sda making spot check on the f and b outlet while the large group of patrons made a emergency exit via the back!
[4:48 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Prevention is better than punishment. Perhaps all seated restaurant duty managers need to have "license" of awareness. Also FAQ so that they are educated to manage the owners, staff and customers.
[4:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: It should be Education is better than punishment. But in these cases, education has obviously failed. Some people are just not academic and can't learn.
[4:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Wahaha
[4:52 pm, 27/11/2020] +: aiyoh, be thankful if u are born with better brains. help people dont trash people.
[4:53 pm, 27/11/2020] +: People don't have a choice about getting infected. If they breach regulations and then get symptoms they won't get tested for fear of being caught, just as they won't deal drugs for fear if being caught.
[4:53 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Because?
[4:54 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Not trashing lah. Everyone has different learning styles. So are auditory (tell them and they listen), some are not.
[4:54 pm, 27/11/2020] +: So they should call authorities if customers are breaching sd rules.
[4:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Yes, but if people know they broke SD rules they won't get tested.
[4:56 pm, 27/11/2020] +: i think so too
[4:56 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Waiters should report breaches to the boss and its the boss job to deal with customers. Shouldn't put the waiter in that position.
[4:57 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If the boss gets penalised for not reporting SD breach they will soon take responsibility.
[4:57 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Both are in on the ruse
[4:58 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If restaurant has to close due to breach , then the waiter can't work either. Its in the boss and waiters interest to report the breach and avoid closure
[4:59 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐คท♀️
[5:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: There are a lot of people with the "Aiyah never mind one lah" attitude.
Group bigger than 5: "Aiyah never mind lah, same family what."
Child is sick and placed on SHN: "Aiyah never mind lah, just a child"
Not being particular about masks: "Aiyah never mind lah, you're not sick right? I'm also not sick".
Like macham coronavirus will have the sense to say "Aiyah never mind lah, I won't whack this one". ๐
[5:02 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Agree!
[5:11 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Agree on this
[5:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: No year-end bonus for civil servants; 2,400 lower-wage staff to get $1,200 one-time payment
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-year-end-bonus-for-civil-servants-2400-lower-wage-staff-to-get-1200-one-time-payment
[5:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: No salary cut is considered good enough already
[5:44 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Yes
[5:48 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Someone forwarded this to me. Good for info!
[5:49 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I have mine. Pink color.
[5:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Out of so many color they choose pink.
[5:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐
[5:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐
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[6:26 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Dear Contributors,
We will be extending the chat to 10pm today.
Thank you
[6:27 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Below is a backup plan in case the current tourism vouchers redemption run into problems.
If everything run well from 1 Dec 2020, then no need to activate this backup plan written on 25 Nov 2020:-
Actually, STB have a better and more cost effective way to distribute the tourism voucher.
Just provide physical voucher to individuals.
Let individual decide on their own to visit the tourist spots they like by using the voucher like cash.
Then it will dispense with all the complications.
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Don't need to throw tender to award to 5 vendor package.
Don't need to visit website.
Speed up the process and complications.
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People just use their IC to collect the physical voucher in the CC.
Then people just visit any sites they like.
Objective achieved.
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If don't want the tourism voucher to be abused, print the name of each individual onto the voucher.
Tourist spots just check the name in the voucher against the IC during entry.
Problem solved.
No complications.
People happy.
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If people find it a pain navigating the 5 tenderer website - this method of voucher redemption is easier and idiot-proof.
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The tourism voucher is only $100.
The current complicated way of redeeming the voucher far exceeded the worth of spending the time and effort needed to distribute, navigate, or deploy staff to redeem the voucher.
Desmond Koh
[6:33 pm, 27/11/2020] +: My BFF said, sounds like a good idea!
BUT
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[6:36 pm, 27/11/2020] +: https://www.facebook.com/MNDsingapore/posts/4094607327233959
[6:36 pm, 27/11/2020] +: https://www.facebook.com/MOFsg/posts/3870599569630949
[6:38 pm, 27/11/2020] +: https://www.hdb.gov.sg/cs/infoweb/about-us/news-and-publications/press-releases/27112020-CPF-Interest-Rates-from-1Jan2021-to-31Mar2021
[6:39 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Im glad that more govt sector media / publicity dept is adopting memes to reach out to younger generations
Desmond Koh
[6:39 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 1. No tender? Who print voucher, appear magically?
2. Use vouchers as cash, how to validate? The validation systems don need tender?
3. Vouchers collection with names/IC.. those don wan how? Print on the spots, long queue how?
4. Manpower how?
There are a lot of unanswered questions based on your proposal, all these efforts will cost even more online...
Berny
[6:40 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Actually on item 3, SAFRA did that few years back, the NS appreciation voucher, not sure if anyone remembers
Desmond Koh
[6:40 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Ya but that’s like 1 year planning, not 3 mths ๐
Berny
[6:41 pm, 27/11/2020] +: With PDPA enforced, having name and NRIC on them is a tricky thing to have.
On that note, mine got stolen by a colleague (i know but didnt report). He managed to use them all without my verification
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:41 pm, 27/11/2020] +: inserts HAIYA sticker
[6:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I remember using mine wasn't so easy, have to present 11B or something ๐
Berny
[6:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Need present that or ic
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Then how come your one tio gunakan
Berny
[6:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But the guy who stole it didnt need to present my ic
Caleb
[6:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Me
Berny
[6:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I kept mine in office drawer, on leave come back all missing
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: WALAO THIS TYPE OF PEOPLE ALSO EXIST
Berny
[6:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Office only 3 person, including me
[6:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But hey, its my fault so Im not complaining
Dan
[6:44 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I would like to think the civil servants sacrifice their bonus to give us the $100 tourism voucher. So thanks Megan.
Berny
[6:44 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Point is: if it is "cash voucher", it can easily be transferred to others, or even sold
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:45 pm, 27/11/2020] +: My camp had a case, some bodoh dk how much money kena curi, OC tell all the branches assemble at foyer just because of some joker
Rama
[6:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐ค๐๐๐๐คฃ๐๐
Berny
[6:53 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Personal opinion ah, take it with a scoop of salt, singpass is still the best and secured way for such stuff
[6:54 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 1. No need print, go green and save $$
2. Even if i pass you my singpass to redeem, you still need my otp, making transfer a bit more inconvenient and lesser dispute on stolen credits
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But then comes the problem of exclusion for those without access to digital services and for that, I'd like to hear if the service is just as accessible offline as it is online as we cannot go online completely, no country or city in this world can because some people will end up being marginalised
Berny
[6:57 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Lastly, instead of whining that system is badly implemented, why not do something practical about it instead of giving feedbacks to improve them online?
Eg. 1st mask collection (the 4 or 5 per house hold). It was pretty badly done imho, but I no blame PA, it was dropped from the sky and they dont have much reaction time to turn around, instead of giving feedback at home, I went down to help distribute and at the same time, work with them to smoothen the process
Rama
[6:57 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Agree
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:58 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Hanor hanor
Berny
[6:59 pm, 27/11/2020] +: To prove that my claim is a valid one, I can give you the name of the CC that i helped out with, if required, i went down daily until my wife came back and was SHN, then i stopped helping
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Aiya no need lah if someone really need evidence they're probably jealous of what you did that they didn't think of ๐
[7:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: By doing so, I had also infringed (not sure if this is the right word to use, I just want to use complex word to make my command on english sounds photosynthesis) the TOR of releasing my personal info
[7:02 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Aiyo wayang ah you ๐
[7:02 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But thats a real example la
[7:02 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Oh and look!
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Its 1903hrs
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Wheres the gatekeeper?
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Extended la
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Got ah?
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Later OG Megan come whack you ๐
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Is this even allowed?? Hmm..
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Neh you see ๐
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: It is
[7:03 pm, 27/11/2020] +: LOL
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Guideline says must cover face and nose, touch cheek and chin
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: All checked, good to go
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃfull face mask?
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Later another Nimama case in the making lol
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Okay noted @Berny
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Good
[7:04 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Its friday! Take it easy man
[7:05 pm, 27/11/2020] +: At least he got put in effort to draw a face
[7:05 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Maybe he got real mask underneath?
[7:07 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Can’t see
[7:07 pm, 27/11/2020] +: If the train isn't crowded I'm sure people will still repel from him lol
[7:08 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Might have la, if not how he got into the train?
[7:08 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Im sure smrt staff or security will stop him
[7:11 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Hello hello not SMRT staff :3
[7:17 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Cheepskate
[7:23 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Exactly! :3
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[7:32 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
(1) The following is my suggestions to STB how to execute the backup plan - to redeem the tourism voucher if there are problem executing the backup plan :-
a. Call tender to print 2.5 million - a pack of $10 tourism voucher (specs :- to print name of individuals - name to be provided by STB) - Open tender and close by 2 weeks.
b. 1 week to do evaluation and 1 week to award- award to lowest price tenderer.
(Total :- 4 weeks)
c. 1 month for succesful tenderer to print the voucher and deliver to STB.
(Total :- 1 month)
Total time = 4 weeks + 1 month = 2 month.
(I have throw about 10 tenders - in one of my projects - and I complete the above within 2 months).
(2) CC will dispense the tourism vouchers with name check against based on IC produced. This is to ensure that the right person will be issued with the tourism voucher with their names on it.
(3) Only authorised tourist spots operator can accept the tourism vouchers.
Eg. If I visit the zoo :-
Zoo operator must check my name on the voucher against my IC before allowing me to enter the zoo. If my name in the tourism voucher and my IC don't tally, I will be refused entry.
(4) Advantages of using this approach to redeem toursim vouchers :-
a. Elderly, IT illiterate, many tourist spot operators and anyone know how to use the tourism vouchers - without having the pain to surf the net, try to redeem the voucher online and discover that some tourist spots they want to visit are not on the web or they can't find the place they want --- because it is too painful to surf so many websites.
b. Those who have vouchers at hand will use it - so as not to waste it.
c. Unused vouchers will expire on expiry date, or people can return unused vouchers to CC.
d. The outcome of meeting the STB objectives of helping tourism business -- will be much better --- because public will more likely to use the vouchers they possess.
e. Online redemption of vouchers - will more likely to discourage many not to use it --- and fail to achieve the objectives of helping the tourism business - as many people find it too difficult a task to redeem it online.
f. Quoting the Public Sector outcome ----- the outcome will be better if use physical tourism voucher.
Berny
[7:41 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I havent read everything, but have you called for open tender before?
[7:42 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Yes.
Countless times.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +:
Eh lai lai
Open up your mind and see like me
Open up your plans and damn you're free
Desmond Koh
[7:42 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 1a,b- 2.5mil vouchers, wastage how? tax payer $$ lei... you got work in govt and called for open tender before or not?
the online version is a per you said 2 weeks closes..
1c - humble brag, lai share the scope, context, award amount, please.
2 - CC ah, who disburse it? temp staff? the CDs/CMs?? or GRLs?
3 - u didnt answer how the operators validated the vouchers, so many fraud cases
4 - as STB said, they setting up so no one is left behind!
Berny
[7:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 1. Fast, good, cheap. Pick any 2 only.
2. Open tender is a very tedious process, for a 2 week period to print and deliver 2.5million pieces within a short period of time wont be cheap
Alvin
[7:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Hard copy vouchers open up counterfeit
Berny
[7:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Item 2 I can answer: GCD sit there and distribute
Alvin
[7:43 pm, 27/11/2020] +: And other cans of worms
Berny
[7:44 pm, 27/11/2020] +: And fraud, like my ns voucher case
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[7:45 pm, 27/11/2020] +: haha CDs always follow MPs de la.. so much of PA being a Statboard...
[7:45 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Bo, is gcd, 1 lvl above cd
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Now is the best time for them to walk the talk, invert and enlarge the triangle
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: haha GCD have meh?
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Have
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Group CD
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: 1 guy to direct all the cds in the grc
[7:46 pm, 27/11/2020] +: erm no no i meant
[7:47 pm, 27/11/2020] +: usually if at CC level , the CD will do the job together with CMs ma
[7:47 pm, 27/11/2020] +: GCD only co-ordinate it
[7:47 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Right
[7:48 pm, 27/11/2020] +: End of yhe day it spirals downwards
[7:48 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Cd push to dvd and cm take charge assisted by cme
[7:48 pm, 27/11/2020] +: And temp staff front the counter
[7:49 pm, 27/11/2020] +: thats when i'm young when i doing my NYAA, helping grassroot la, maybe it changed liao.. been like 15 years ago haha
[7:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: So many GRL here arh ๐
[7:50 pm, 27/11/2020] +: no politics, just my passing comments
[7:51 pm, 27/11/2020] +: when i was young haha
[7:51 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Some CMs really cannot make it lol
[7:51 pm, 27/11/2020] +: now is just a working level haha
[7:51 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Same same
[7:51 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ่ๆ น็
[7:52 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But do spare a thought for non GRL here lol don’t think they know what we talking
[7:53 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Doesn't matter lah, as long as you guys on the same frequency and isn't one who spams stuff senselessly you can churn out all your terms lol I don't mind
It's always good to see how abbreviations become a language of their own, I know this because I can communicate in PT language with my friends and everyone else is like apa ini so I fully understand ๐
[7:54 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Actually we r just volunteering our time I. Exchange of CIP points haha
GRL usually got the Pxx or bxx, behind their name de ๐
[7:54 pm, 27/11/2020] +: My time we don’t use short forms... lol but can understand when they put CC in to context ๐คฃ
[7:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Lol I don’t need CIP... exceed 400 hours what is CIP i can even issue and sign that time
[7:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ those were the days...
[7:55 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Haha I need 1k hours
[7:56 pm, 27/11/2020] +: So I can shake hand with Mr Nathan ๐
[7:56 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Lazy to write the book... NYAA just troublesome.. I more into operations do projects and events for youth
[7:57 pm, 27/11/2020] +: More into the organizing and see those kids enjoy themselves
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Alvin
[7:59 pm, 27/11/2020] +: And I tot we have PDPA not suppose to show IC to companies anymore
Berny
[7:59 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Show can, photocopy cannot
Alvin
[7:59 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Wait show IC already I receive spam to my mailing address etc ppl will complain
Berny
[8:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Show to verify is ok
Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Hahaha I cannot imagine if my spam inbox was a physical one ๐
[8:00 pm, 27/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
IC are produced in malls and point of entry to do SafeEntry.
Alvin
[8:00 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I don’t take out my IC at all
[8:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I use SafeEntry app
[8:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Why should I produce my IC when I can just use SingPass?
Berny
[8:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: I use tt app
Alvin
[8:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Also can
Berny
[8:01 pm, 27/11/2020] +: Singpass app also can
Boon
[8:12 pm, 27/11/2020] +: ๐completely lost by the acronyms
[8:13 pm, 27/11/2020] +: But sounds really interesting ๐
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