REACH 163 - Phase 3 reopening (SK)
06 Nov 2020 (11am - 7pm)
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[1:15 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐ข Topic ๐ข
Health Minister Gan Kim Yong reiterated in Parliament on Wednesday (Nov 4) that phase three - which Singapore could move into by year-end if the virus remains under control here - would not be a return to pre-Covid days. It would last until the rest of the world has the virus under tight control or when effective treatments or vaccines are widely available.
What do you think of the safe management and contact tracing measures for Phase 3?
The authorities are currently considering increasing group size limits from five to eight in phase 3. Before the pandemic, banquet tables used to have the capacity for about 10 people - so the new limit of eight is the maximum that such tables can take while allowing for additional safe distancing.
On contact tracing, Mr Gan said the authorities are progressively rolling out TraceTogether-only SafeEntry to ensure that all those who are visiting places where they are likely to be in contact with many others for prolonged periods, or where human traffic is high, have the TraceTogether app or token.This will help speed up contact tracing efforts and provide anyone who becomes infected with early medical care.
๐ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-phase-3-could-last-over-a-year-restrictions-may-be-reimposed-if-cases
๐ https://www.gov.sg/article/roadmap-to-phase-3
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:17 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Good the afternoon OG Megan,
I think it has been said a lot of times now, the mandatory TT-only SE has to be executed properly
Cannot say mandate then the locations that mandate don't have the capability (or ability) to scan the token ma
Rama
[1:17 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Group size not ideal still but hopefully can improve over tine.
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Caleb
[1:19 pm, 06/11/2020] +: U mean u will like it to have even more then 8?
Rama
[1:19 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Yes
[1:22 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
1. Tracetogether only SafeEntry means - no longer need handphone scan or IC.
But will those stores especially smaller ones be ready?
Many don't have scanner to scan the TT token QR code.
Many stores only display their store QR code for customers to use handphone to scan.
2. Is government subsidising stores to buy the scanners or will the stores buy their own scanner?
[1:24 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Many Singapore investors in 'state of shock' over abrupt suspension of Ant Group's US$37 billion IPO
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/many-singapore-investors-in-a-state-of-shock-over-abrupt-suspension-of
Rama
[1:24 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Jack got cut down by the bean stalk!?
[1:27 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Hope Singaporean investors, Temasek (if invested) - can get back all their money.
China is very serious about their "dual circulation" especially their digital yuan (DCEP) - where both Ant and WeChat can cannibalise it - and control China monetary policy.
China central bank won't allow it.
[1:29 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
China digital yuan DCEP is also meant to wrench themselves out of US SWIFT dollars system - so how will China government allow Ant to cannibalise their digital yuan?
[1:34 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Having say so, calibrated reopening into Phase 3 sounds right in the context of virus infections still rampant throughout the world.
The world infection has still not reached its peak.
Our air hub and air travel are still in limbo.
We need to see how to ramp up air travel steadily yet safely.
Phyllis
[1:34 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐ค๐ค๐ค
Rama
[1:35 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Wonder when will phase 3 criteria be announced!?
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:38 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Ultimately, we have to be careful with our Phase 3 and not end up like many other European countries who has to lock down for a second time
Everyone hopes for this to be over but that can only be possible if everyone cooperates
[1:45 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commentary/coronavirus-covid-19-vietnam-case-mask-who-symptom-spread-travel-13471616
My close friend comments :-
[1:47 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ: Masks should be our gold standard to curb virus spread + regular handwashing.
Berny
[1:48 pm, 06/11/2020] +: My close friend claims that some country got lower numbers because they dont do much testing, lower test = lower case
[1:49 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
But death won't cheat.
Rama
[1:49 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Agree
Berny
[1:52 pm, 06/11/2020] +: There are many ways to die, but if im not tested but positive, then i could be classified as death by pneumonia and lung disease
Rama
[1:53 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Silent killer lurks!
Berny
[1:53 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Was busy for the past weeks
[1:54 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
When more die, people will panic - because covid is highly contagious.
And paper can't wrap fire - truth sooner or later will spill out.
Berny
[1:55 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dunno, thats my close friend comments
Rama
[1:55 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Yup
Berny
[1:55 pm, 06/11/2020] +: But on this note, perhaps the truth have yet to spill?
[1:55 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
That's trump's comments too.
But truth spill out.
Dan
[1:56 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Not much has been disclosed for phase 3 apart from the magic number 8. I hope more can be done to help the entertainment industry, particularly the clubs, karaoke outlets. Even if the G disallow it to carry out their usual businesses, there must be a solution to help them keep afloat, like our SIA.
Rama
[1:56 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Karaoke feels government has abandoned them!
[1:57 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
More than 6,000 people in China's Lanzhou test positive for brucellosis
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-lanzhou-more-than-6000-test-positive-brucellosis-13472646
[1:58 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
My close friend comments:-
ๅคฉ็พไบบ็ฅธ not ending
[1:58 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
That's why mass slaughtering of animals is the major cause of epidemic.
But vegan meat still very expensive and still not perfected yet.
That day when I was in NTUC, I saw the impossible meat.
It was price at $15.30 and the texture not like real meat.
Real meat of the same cut price at $5.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:01 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dot dot dot
Rama
[2:01 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If Biden finally win,
It will be the World Liberation Day!
Humanity fate is save from the ๐ Devil grip after 4 ordeal years.
Humanity is save from ๅฐไธ็พ （ๅคฉ็พ，ไบบ็ฅธ，็็ซ）.
1. Global climate (Paris climate)
2. War (WTO - trade war, tech war, finance war. Iran nuclear deal, WW3).
3. Pandemic (WHO - collaboration in vaccines).
REACH
[2:01 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Hello~~ ☝๐ป
Sam
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:05 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Unleash the bell, loong time never see liao people tak takut
Rama
[2:05 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Normalcy is at hand!
Droll
[2:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +: I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion.
Sam
[2:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +: When 5 people sitting on small table that close enough to infect each other, I don't see why we cannot accommodate 10 pax on a large table. In fact many other activities already involved more than 8 pax.
Phyllis
[2:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐ ๐ ๐
Rama
[2:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐ ๐คฃ๐
Dan
[2:10 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Has the G thought of how to enforce having 8 visitors per household during the festive period? Or u will wait for neighbours to pao toh each other like cultural revolution period in China?
[2:12 pm, 06/11/2020] +: We alr have 1 such uncle in Tampines taking pic.
Berny
[2:13 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Instead of this, why not we throw out ideas and suggestions
[2:15 pm, 06/11/2020] +: So far I only know we can report using one service app
Rama
[2:18 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Ang Mo Kio residents seen gathering day and night in large groups to smoke, drink, bird-watch https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/ang-mo-kio-residents-seen-gathering-day-and-night-in-large-groups-to-smoke-drink-bird
Rama
[2:21 pm, 06/11/2020] +: 800 low-income families to receive healthy food and resources on nutrition http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/800-low-income-families-to-receive-healthy-food-and-resources-on-nutrition?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
Dan
[2:24 pm, 06/11/2020] +: I did previously. I'm not repeating. My logic is instead of putting the plug in the sink, it is easier to direct the flow through the proper channels to stop the flood.
amos
[2:25 pm, 06/11/2020] +: "..allowed to access government subsidies and insurance coverage for their medical bills." medishield life insurance ?? do we expect further hike in premium
Rama
[2:25 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Premium hike will come for sure in due course.
Boon
[2:26 pm, 06/11/2020] +: +1
Ben
[2:26 pm, 06/11/2020] +: people must travel can purchase more travel insurance ?
[2:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +Lower numbers simply reduces the likelihood of transmitting the infection.
[2:47 pm, 06/11/2020] +Yes and Beyond Beef, which is very good, is $25 compared to Red Meat which was $10....
[3:04 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If the price of vegan meat drop to the same price of real meat, even though the texture is not perfect but good enough, I will switch.
[3:04 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Now still too expensive.
[3:06 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Consumers must drive the price down.
[3:11 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Vegan meat must appeal to the mass market before it can become a real substitute.
Ben
[3:15 pm, 06/11/2020] +Right now, I just half the portion haha
[3:16 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Else it may drive up food inflation - as many common people still cannot afford it.
REACH
[3:41 pm, 06/11/2020] +: 4 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all imported
Four new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Friday (Nov 6), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its preliminary daily update.
All four cases were imported infections and were placed on stay-home notice upon their arrival in Singapore.
Details of the new cases will be released on Friday night, said the ministry.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-moh-nov-6-coronavirus-imported-13477352
REACH
[3:42 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dear contributors, please continue to provide your views on today's topic, thanks! :)
Alvin
[3:46 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Good enough for now. Ppl need a respite cos it’s festive period. Can I suggest having Ambearsadors at shopping malls during first few weeks of Phase 3?
They can assist with TT app and issue token for elderly folks without smartphones.
CQ
[3:46 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Will need more details on what Phase 3 entails. Do we maintain the WFH or is everyone expected to go back to the old normal? If it's the latter, essentially it's an "all work and no play" lifestyle; won't be good for everyone's mental wellbeing in the longer run. Burnout is real...
Caleb
[4:31 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐✋
[4:36 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Suggest that for those small stores business cannot afford to buy their own scanner - use their handphone scanner and apps to scan TT token QR code.
This will save alot of money for small store business.
No need to buy a dedicated scanner to scan the customers TT token QR.
Berny
[4:38 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Thats what some malls like Jurong Point and NTUC in jurong point is doing, employ part timer to scan with a smart phone
[4:39 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Hmm good idea.
[4:41 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
This will save alot of money for taxpayers in case government need to subsidize so many businesses.
And if stores need to fund their own, it will also drive up their business cost in this difficult time.
So if they use handphone, no need money and can save costs.
[4:44 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
A total of $13.8 million are spend on SafeEntry, TT apps and TT token.
So by using handphone = $0.
Who knows when vaccines come out next year - no longer need to scan SafeEntry.
Alot of money will be wasted.
Berny
[4:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +: wrong
[4:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +: safe entry is still required
[4:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +: TT doesnt have GPS
[4:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +: I know u are sick, but where have you went to? god knows
[4:46 pm, 06/11/2020] +: safe entry is the wider net to narrow down the tracing, TT is to identify the individual in close proximity
[4:47 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
SafeEntry are still needed with TT for now because of virus pandemic.
If no more virus infections, why need TT and SafeEntry?
Berny
[4:53 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Because, people for some weird reason refuse to cooperate and download the app
[4:53 pm, 06/11/2020] +: The token is mainly for the seniors who arent tech savvy imo
[4:54 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If 1 million business are subsidize by government, it will cost $199 million.
[4:56 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Bluetooth is a security vulnerable comms protocol that can be easily hacked.
HP are increasingly being used as business tool enabler and financial tool enabler.
More security conscious people don't want to turn on their hp Bluetooth.
Ben
[4:57 pm, 06/11/2020] +oh no, please.... not this again.....
Berny
[4:57 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Aiya, this one cannot that one cannot then how?
[4:57 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Govt pay money lor
Ben
[4:59 pm, 06/11/2020] +Billions of people use BT every day with their headphones. In fact all modern phones require BT only for headphones. It is not easily hacked. You have to allow the hacker to install the software on your phone. Just like handing your house keys to a stranger.
[5:02 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
I think I have talk about this many times and I don't want to elaborate further.
Hackers demonstrate 5 minutes to hack through Bluetooth devices.
Ben
[5:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +Correct, you have talked about this many times ๐
[5:10 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
I have worked with some one "white hacker" to hack through WiFi that has tighter security - previously with static wep key and tkip hash key - it took us 30 minutes to hack through.
Bluetooth security is even weaker - 5 minutes is enough.
REACH
[5:10 pm, 06/11/2020] +: MOE releases indicative secondary school entry points under new PSLE scoring system in 2021
The Education Ministry has released a range of secondary school entry scores for pupils taking the Primary School Leaving Examination (PSLE) under the new scoring system in 2021.
The indicative cut-off scores, based on last year's Primary 6 data, will help guide pupils in their school choices and indicate which schools are possibly within their reach.
More:
- https://str.sg/JLkr
- https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/press-releases/further-updates-to-psle-2021
Suma pamu
[5:24 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Any experts here who can understand the above Circular..
And Felt that What they did is ""Going to make it easier P6S?!""
I am feeling like
The change is only for Top 10 or 20% who is aiming for BEST SCHOOLS?!
And no Change for the Below 80% level pupils
Am I the only one feeling this way
Please help me to correct myself if I am wrong..
(My girl will be Taking PSLE 2021)
so really would like to understand
Suping
[5:27 pm, 06/11/2020] +: can i ask..if lets say my chinese is super weak and i need to take NA chinese..and the rest of my subject is taking it at express level. so at the end of 4 years, i will take N level chinese and O level for the rest of the subjects? then how to calculate the score for poly or jc ah?
Timothy Low
[5:27 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Basically what MOE is doing is to classify schools as Tier 1 (6-8 points), Tier 2 and so forth
Suma pamu
[5:28 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Can I say in lay mans (Like Me) term (BEST BETTER and Normal Schools?!)
Timothy Low
[5:29 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Last time when we were using PSLE scores at least some of the “tier 2” schools can get top students from “tier 1”, but now seems like in the future cannot?
[5:41 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Handphone scanner use to scan TT QR code - no security risk - because HP no need to turn on Bluetooth.
Just hp scanner and camera.
Berny
[5:48 pm, 06/11/2020] +: And what does the TT do if bluetooth is off?
[5:49 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
TT Bluetooth by default is on and is use to detect other TT Bluetooth.
Store handphone to scan TT QR code only scan TT token for SafeEntry.
Rama
[5:50 pm, 06/11/2020] +: It doesn't function as i repeatedly found
[6:02 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
1. Basically in utopia stage, all people carry TT token (Bluetooth turn on) with SafeEntry QR code.
2. Big stores with scanner and small stores with HP (no need turn on Bluetooth, only use hp scanner) to scan SafeEntry of customer.
[6:04 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
3. TT token with Bluetooth turn on - is use for contact tracing with infected people.
4. TT token with QR code is for SafeEntry.
5. People no longer need to carry handphone for SafeEntry.
Berny
[6:05 pm, 06/11/2020] +: And why do we need the TT token to begin with?
[6:06 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Why spend all these money?
[6:06 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Because people ask for it - for those without hp and those who don't want or not able to install TT apps.
[6:07 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
TT apps also cost million of dollars to develop.
Berny
[6:07 pm, 06/11/2020] +: So you just answered your own question
[6:07 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If people hp compromise and money are stolen because of Bluetooth - is the government going to compensate?
Berny
[6:08 pm, 06/11/2020] +: How much is someone's life worth?
[6:08 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Mine or yours for example
[6:08 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Token solve it.
Berny
[6:08 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Can money compensate?
[6:09 pm, 06/11/2020] +: You know... you just answered all of your own questions on TT and safe entry
Phyllis
[6:09 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐๐๐
[6:10 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
This issue has been discussed through many posts.
You are new, you miss alot if it.
Minister Heng Swee Keat and Minister Vivian acknowledge the important of IT security and respect people's choice.
You can dig back alot of this past news and read.
[6:12 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Straits Times
'Digital virus' might be bigger threat than Covid-19: Heng Swee Keat
13 Jun 2020
Singapore must continue to protect itself against security threats such as cybercrime even in the middle of a pandemic, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat.
"A growing and ever-present threat is in cyberspace... The digital virus can be as, if not more, damaging than the physical virus."
As a highly digital society, and one that is using more digital tools to fight Covid-19, Singapore must be extra vigilant, he added.
"The security environment is increasingly complex and volatile. As a small country, we do not have the strategic depth to accommodate any compromises in security," he said.
In February, The Straits Times reported that $1 billion would be set aside over the next three years to boost the Government's cyber and data security.
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That is why I like DPM Heng Swee Keat. He sees what I see - that cybersecurity must be the core of any IT design that roll out to the public.
Minister Vivian also say that Tracetogether token should be open up in code, design - for public feedback and can be improved upon.
Minister Vivian openess, transparency, honesty, getting public to jointly improve the Tracetogether token so that people will willingly adopt the solution and use it to protect ourselves against the virus pandemic without attempt to sugar-coat - will surely win public confidence and acceptance.
We have good Ministers who spare no effort to emphasize good quality and with high integrity.
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[12:03 pm, 04/05/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
(2) If a person have the mindset of building IT infrastructure or IT apps - without regard to building in IT security ---- then the person is building a dangerous platform that will cause tremendous economic, social and even physical damages to the Nation.
(3) Just rent a video Diehard 4 --- and watch the whole movie - how international hackers - destroy a whole city by exploiting the IT vulnerabilities - then it is more fruitful to start discussion here - if a person still have the notion about pushing IT initiatives with no regard to IT securities.
(4) I think a person will have very short memory, if one have forgotten the Singhealth hacking - APT - Advanced Persistent Threat conducted by State Hackers hacking into the Singhealth network - where we have just toil and completed the arduous task of plugging the IT securities loopholes in the SingHealth IT infrastructure - and now a person can talk about disregarding IT security.
(5) I seriously think that if a person have initiatives in pushing out any national IT projects - get the endorsement from CSA (Cyber Security Authority).
(6) CSA is reviewing and monitoring the National IT CII (Critical Information Infrastructure) - all the 12 to 13 Nation Economic sectors IT infrastructure- and Health IT Infrastructure is also under their purview - in case a person is not aware about it.
(7) A national IT project will never get passed the Security Review Committee for any Government or Nation-Wide IT infrastructure project - if a person disregard IT security.
(8) IT security must be the core of the design of any IT projects and must not be an afterthought.
(9) After completing an IT project and then start to think about its security is a patchwork.
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[2:28 pm, 05/05/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
If these Bluetooth vulnerability is not secured, malware that attack handphone with Bluetooth turn on (which is against the security best practice) - will spread like wildfire akin to covid-19 infection for all those handphone or devices with Bluetooth turn on.
[4:32 pm, 05/05/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Else we got to fight 3 fronts in national scale.
1. Virus
2. Economy
3. Digital virus
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[12:22 pm, 06/05/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
So now can understand why I so paranoid to get everything right before pushing any system to public.
Because there will be liability to the government if any security breach happen.
[12:25 pm, 06/05/2020] : esp when ZOOM was rolled out for HBL in schools, they face some security issues initially and then it was resolved thereafter
[12:27 pm, 06/05/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
But won't it be better to get everything right before pushing out?
Zoom cause embarrassment to the students.
But what happens if national security meeting is recorded by hackers?
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[6:12 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Read and digest.
Berny
[6:12 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Ok, so my question to this reply is:
1. Is this relevant to today's topic?
2. Since if was discussed through many posts before, why bring it up again now?
[6:13 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
You bring it up
Berny
[6:13 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dude, stop living in June, we are in November now
[6:13 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
So you are not objective in what you say.
Berny
[6:14 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Im saying, look forward and like you say, Im new and missed out
[6:14 pm, 06/11/2020] ☸️ Danny ๅฟ:
Ok good.
Berny
[6:15 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Thank you
REACH
[6:45 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dear Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:46 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Poor poor OG Megan, hope you got the useful feedback that you need apart from the unnecessary noise :)
Rama
[6:48 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐๐✋๐๐๐ค
Boon
[6:50 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐
Berny
[6:51 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Stop frowning, makes wrinkles come out early
Boon
[6:52 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐
[6:59 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Agreed. Burnout, depression and unconscious angst are real but invisible unintended effects. Raising the awareness to recognize these signs - during this unusual trying times on social bonds and interactions - will be important for a more holistic healthy society.
[6:59 pm, 06/11/2020] +: ๐ป๐ป
REACH
[6:59 pm, 06/11/2020] +: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
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