REACH 166 - Attract overseas top tech talents (SK)
18 Nov 2020 (11am - 7pm)
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[11:00 am, 18/11/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢
PM Lee said yesterday that even as the local tech talent pool grows, Singapore needs more technology talent, and a newly announced work pass hopes to help the country attract “highly accomplished” individuals in this field.
💬 How can Singapore further strengthen the tech ecosystem and build up our own talent pool?
PM said the Tech.Pass, launched last week by the Economic Development Board, is targeted at “the movers and shakers of the tech world”. Unlike the Employment Pass that is tied to a particular job or employer, the new work pass “will be personal to the holder”, giving them flexibility to move between roles and employers, he added.
Singaporeans must see the tech companies as bringing in expertise and experience, as well as building up the industry and capabilities.
“So that our own people can learn from them, upgrade themselves and eventually build up our own talent pool,” PM added.
Local universities and polytechnics are producing more graduates who are in demand, but companies also need to bring in overseas professionals at higher levels who are in short supply here. Such professionals help create a virtuous circle by expanding Singapore's talent pool, raising standards and strengthening the tech ecosystem here.
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/new-tech-pass-singapore-attract-foreign-tech-talent-pm-lee-13579056
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-needs-top-tech-talent-to-build-world-class-teams-pm
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[11:03 am, 18/11/2020] +: Who will draw first blood? :3
[11:06 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Tech talents are rare.
We need more of it in order to create more high tech products and services - that will boost our Economy and create jobs.
Though Singapore start to have a good R&D culture - we need more of it.
Top talents in overseas are needed.
[11:10 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Creative ideas, innovation flourish most when top talents come together - that rub off ideas from one another.
[11:12 am, 18/11/2020] +: Tech Pass should be prioritised for individuals who are able to generate employment opportunities locally
[11:14 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/asean-business/new-asean-network-to-build-logistics-infrastructure-0
This smart logistics solutions link Singapore to Vietnam and China - will secure our maritime hub ports.
[11:14 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The digital solutions ensure that ships will come to our ports and will not bypass us.
[11:14 am, 18/11/2020] +: Agreed, this is a good initiative SG is a very attractive place to be. Tech develops exponentially when there are other tech people about. That's how Silicon Valley became what it is. SG should be targeting the Asian Silicon Valley.
[11:14 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comments:-
Connectedness survive, isolation stifle.
[11:15 am, 18/11/2020] +: Yes, also agree!
[11:15 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
Singapore company provides the digital solutions that link China, Vietnam to our ports.
[11:15 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Straits Times
PM Lee hopes US President-elect Biden will come up with framework for 'constructive' US-China ties
Linette Lai
Political Correspondent
17 Nov 2020
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Tuesday (Nov 17), expressing his hope that US President-elect Joe Biden will develop a framework for an overall constructive relationship with China.
This means a relationship in which the United States and China remain in competition with issues to resolve, but ultimately do not want to collide and will work to develop areas of common interests while constraining the areas of disagreement, he said at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum.
Within this framework, topics such as trade, security, climate change, nuclear non-proliferation and the issue of North Korea can be dealt with, he added.
The Prime Minister also expressed the hope that the World Trade Organisation, under the Biden administration, will no longer be "deliberately pushed to one side" in the way it has been under the Trump administration.
Countries may quarrel over many things, but they should try to "insulate" trade because trade disputes hurt all parties involved, he said. "The more countries avoid doing that, the more it will be credible when they say we believe in multilateral trade, and they believe in win-win development and cooperation with our neighbours."
PM Lee was speaking to Bloomberg News editor-in-chief John Micklethwait in a wide-ranging interview that touched on such topics as US-China relations, the global race to secure a Covid-19 vaccine, and Singapore's own handling of the pandemic.
Mr Lee was asked if President Donald Trump has done "permanent damage" to the way the United States is viewed in the region.
There will be some long-term impact on perspectives on America, as well as how America views itself, he replied. Although the shift in perspective did not start with Mr Trump, it has become more evident in the last four years.
"When you talk about putting America first and making America great again, it is a more narrow definition of where America's interests lie than has hitherto been the way US administrations have seen things," Mr Lee said.
On regional blocs and technological bifurcation, Mr Micklethwait noted Singapore has "finessed Huawei quite elegantly" in giving it some access to the 5G network in Singapore.
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[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Topic :-
Insights on World Peace and World Prosperity through Global Cooperation and Collaboration
Part 1
1. Previously, we have great elder statesman like Mr LKY, Kissinger and others who will occasionally publish their great insights and visions about the world and regional situation and scenarios - in order to preserve world peace and prosperity.
2. But recently, we are not seeing politicians with good thoughts and insights sharing their views on global and regional issues that will impact the world and the region - because the global political climate of sharing such thoughts have turn toxic.
3. But increasingly, the world is not going on the right path for the past 4 years, and there is an urgent need to nudge world affairs into the right trajectory - for the sake of world peace, world cooperation and world collaboration - in which many global institutions have been instituted to achieve these, notably WTO, WHO, IMF, World Bank, Paris climate agreement, TPP, Belt and Road, RCEP etc.
4. Humanity is at its worst. Global cooperation in World Affairs is almost non-existent - that smell bad for the World.
5. Aka datang ....
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 2
1. After World War 2 - UN, WTO, IMF, World Bank, WHO and many other World Institutions - are instituted to promote World cooperation, World peace and World prosperity - so as to prevent another world war - World War 3 which likely to draw in nuclear war.
2. For the past 4 years, we are seeing such global institutions' collaboration and settlement of issues among member Countries being chip away, and make ineffective - that come with increasing risk of crippling world cooperation, collaboration, arbitration and mediation - that will increase the risk of superpower going down the path of military confrontation in order to seize economic benefits, world resources and jostle for division into friend and adversary blocs. This is a very dangerous development - that is brewing in global affairs and is moving down the trajectory of nursing a World War 3 - that will threaten to wipe out human civilisation.
3. Any well meaning insights must be shared with the world to stop such trajectory.
4. Aka datang....
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 3
1. The world are seeing 2 disturbing development:-
a. Superpower political and military lockhorn and rivarly
b. Economic conflict - eg. trade war, technology war and finance war that lead to bifurcation into "dual circulation" and the formation of "dual economic orbits".
2. These 2 disturbing trajectory sow the seeds for future superpower conflict and confrontation - that may trigger World War 3 - if allow to continue to manifest.
3. The world need to reverse these trajectory by doing the following :-
a. Reform and fund world institutions such as UN, WTO, WHO etc to make them current, and effective to enforce rule of law and promote global peace, cooperation, collaboration and global prosperity.
b. Turn trade war, tech war and finance war into more collaboration in trade, tech and financial cooperation - to promote business, investment, trade and travel.
c. Promote more military engagement, setting up of hotline, conduct joint military exercise among superpowers to prevent mis-comm and mis-reading that lead to military conflict.
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020 ] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 4
1. Notably, We need to see more world cooperation in:-
a. Global climate
b. Nuclear deal
c. Trade deal
d. Global supply chain
e. Vaccines deal and virus prevention deal
f. Development of vegan meat - to curb epidemic and pandemic from its source (predominantly mass slaughtering of animals).
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[11:15 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Washington, Beijing must find areas of cooperation or risk sliding into conflict: Henry Kissinger
Straits Times
17 Nov 2020
The United States and China must find some basis for cooperation, or risk sliding into a catastrophe “comparable to World War I”, former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger said at a global forum on Monday (Nov 16), delivering a stark warning on the state of ties between the two superpowers.
“I’m not saying that we and China will live with a consciousness of harmony. I am saying that there will always be stresses and tensions. The question is, ‘Is there a direction in which we can cooperate ?’” said Dr Kissinger.
Speaking at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum, which is being held virtually this year, he was among some former senior US government officials who laid out how they thought president-elect Joe Biden should tackle US-China ties when he assumes office in January next year .
“I think we’re in the mountain path just now, and it’s a process that should not continue ,” he said on Monday, adding that there was a danger of a “great catastrophe” if both sides slipped into war and conflict.
Mr Biden would need to open a path of dialogue with the Chinese leadership, he said, adding that both sides need to agree that “whatever other conflict they have, they will not resort to military conflict ”.
Both countries should also create an “ institutional system ” where each president appoints a special representative to remain in contact on behalf of their presidents, he said.
Having agreed to avoid the possibility of war, both sides can “move towards issues we should achieve”, he added.
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[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020 ] ☸️ Danny 心:
Topic :-
Insights on World Peace and World Prosperity through Global Cooperation and Collaboration
Part 1
1. Previously, we have great elder statesman like Mr LKY, Kissinger and others who will occasionally publish their great insights and visions about the world and regional situation and scenarios - in order to preserve world peace and prosperity .
2. But recently, we are not seeing politicians with good thoughts and insights sharing their views on global and regional issues that will impact the world and the region - because the global political climate of sharing such thoughts have turn toxic.
3. But increasingly, the world is not going on the right path for the past 4 years, and there is an urgent need to nudge world affairs into the right trajectory - for the sake of world peace, world cooperation and world collaboration - in which many global institutions have been instituted to achieve these, notably WTO, WHO, IMF, World Bank, Paris climate agreement, TPP, Belt and Road, RCEP etc.
4. Humanity is at its worst. Global cooperation in World Affairs is almost non-existent - that smell bad for the World.
5. Aka datang ....
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 2
1. After World War 2 - UN, WTO, IMF, World Bank, WHO and many other World Institutions - are instituted to promote World cooperation, World peace and World prosperity - so as to prevent another world war - World War 3 which likely to draw in nuclear war.
2. For the past 4 years, we are seeing such global institutions' collaboration and settlement of issues among member Countries being chip away, and make ineffective - that come with increasing risk of crippling world cooperation, collaboration, arbitration and mediation - that will increase the risk of superpower going down the path of military confrontation in order to seize economic benefits, world resources and jostle for division into friend and adversary blocs. This is a very dangerous development - that is brewing in global affairs and is moving down the trajectory of nursing a World War 3 - that will threaten to wipe out human civilisation.
3. Any well meaning insights must be shared with the world to stop such trajectory.
4. Aka datang....
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 3
1. The world are seeing 2 disturbing development :-
a. Superpower political and military lockhorn and rivarly
b. Economic conflict - eg. trade war, technology war and finance war that lead to bifurcation into "dual circulation" and the formation of "dual economic orbits".
2. These 2 disturbing trajectory sow the seeds for future superpower conflict and confrontation - that may trigger World War 3 - if allow to continue to manifest.
3. The world need to reverse these trajectory by doing the following :-
a. Reform and fund world institutions such as UN, WTO, WHO etc to make them current, and effective to enforce rule of law and promote global peace, cooperation, collaboration and global prosperity.
b. Turn trade war, tech war and finance war into more collaboration in trade, tech and financial cooperation - to promote business, investment, trade and travel.
c. Promote more military engagement, setting up of hotline, conduct joint military exercise among superpowers to prevent mis-comm and mis-reading that lead to military conflict.
[1:19 pm, 09/11/2020 ] ☸️ Danny 心:
Part 4
1. Notably, We need to see more world cooperation in:-
a. Global climate
b. Nuclear deal
c. Trade deal
d. Global supply chain
e. Vaccines deal and virus prevention deal
f. Development of vegan meat - to curb epidemic and pandemic from its source (predominantly mass slaughtering of animals).
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[11:19 am, 18/11/2020] +: Hi Reach, was a surprise to receive your postcard with flashpay card. :)
[11:20 am, 18/11/2020] +: MTI CCS was quick ti clarify the country needs these from outside!
[11:20 am, 18/11/2020] +: Thank you Reach for the card! Feel so loved! 🥰
[11:21 am, 18/11/2020] +: Wonder what is trump's reaction to a growing list acknowledgement of Biden!?
[11:22 am, 18/11/2020] +: HK is spot on with this!
[11:22 am, 18/11/2020] +: Zen Beng so lazy to read your text everytime. 🤔
[11:22 am, 18/11/2020] +: Please don't respond to completely off topic stuff lest it never ends
[11:25 am, 18/11/2020] +: I do understand that there is a lack of local talents in some fields and therefore our companies do need to bring in help from other countries. However, my questions are:
1. Is our education sector is moving fast enough to develop local talents?
2. Do our tech talents move up to the top management over time or are these positions reserved for their native talents (e.g. Japan companies)?
3. What are the challenges local tech talents face in moving up the value chain and what can be done to help them?
[11:26 am, 18/11/2020] +: 👍
[11:27 am, 18/11/2020] +: Point 1 - this is taking time to see the real.picture.
Point 2 - the culture of looking after your own people with hinder this.
Point 3 - a collective effort to iron out the blockages.
[11:27 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We need more collaboration and cooperation in trade, tech, innovation, finances etc - then our economy and world economy will grow.
[11:29 am, 18/11/2020] +: For me, i am currently in the tech sector and have interviewed quite a few Singaporean mid-career applicants who wants to go into AI/ Data science
[11:29 am, 18/11/2020] +: the general sense I get is that they have the paper qualification but lack concrete projects to wow the interviewers
[11:30 am, 18/11/2020] +: I hear ITE is going to have some compulsory IT lessons or something? As for my own course, a module, Electrical Control System was replaced with Data Analytics
[11:32 am, 18/11/2020] +: Yes, Polys and ITEs have/ are starting Data Science related courses, but they teach content and does not prepare one well for the industry, in my opinion
[11:33 am, 18/11/2020] +: I think it's better than nothing to have a rough idea of what data and tech is about
[11:33 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Graduates all come with paper qualifications and school projects to start with.
[11:34 am, 18/11/2020] +: PSLE results to be released on Nov 25, students to collect results in classrooms
The results of the 2020 Primary School Leaving Examination (PSLE) will be released next Wednesday (Nov 25) from 11am, said the Ministry of Education (MOE).
Candidates will receive their results in their classrooms at their respective primary schools instead of gathered as a cohort in the school hall as in previous years, given the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, said the ministry in a press release on Wednesday.
"For PSLE students, given their younger age, one parent or guardian can accompany their child or ward to school to collect their PSLE results," said MOE.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/psle-results-release-date-secondary-1-posting-13583814
[11:34 am, 18/11/2020] +: School projects are fine. But I can get multiple applicants showing me exactly the same project using the same dataset (e.g. Kaggle competition)
[11:34 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
But once given a live project, they can apply their knowledge into the projects.
Everyone will have to start somewhere.
[11:34 am, 18/11/2020] +: True, everyone can just get their datasets from Kaggle and that's it
[11:36 am, 18/11/2020] +: when many applicants show the same project, it seems like a "school homework" more than an actual real world "project"
[11:37 am, 18/11/2020] +: and that does not help during interview (hope this point is useful if any of you is doing interviews soon)
[11:37 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Everyone have to start somewhere.
You look at a candidate potential.
[11:39 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I used to have fresh graduates who have only school projects to show.
But when put them on live project with some guidance - they show their potential.
[11:39 am, 18/11/2020] +: Honestly based on personal experience it's hard to start with anything
My guys and I were given a project to wrangle data (two groups, one working on birth data and mine on car fuel consumption) and the lecturer like doesn't guide us along so we're all lost
Lim
[11:39 am, 18/11/2020] +: Oh, I am talking about mid-career professionals who wants to enter this field
[11:40 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Same philosophy apply to mid career professional.
[11:41 am, 18/11/2020] +: I think employers, especially smaller ones, are more inclined towards hiring those who are ready to work, rather than those with potential
[11:42 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Previously, no one in our company are trained in virtualization.
And we secure a project in virtualization.
We trained ourselves in a course, set up in a lab and then we implement a big project - with no prior experience.
[11:42 am, 18/11/2020] +: That's true
I totally believe in OJT as compared to bland lectures
[11:43 am, 18/11/2020] +: Yeah, OJT is much better
[11:44 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The project up to now are running successfully use by million of users with no downtime.
[11:45 am, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And none of us have prior experience in virtualization.
We learn and implement on the spot.
[0:06 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The reason why no one have prior experience is because at that time, the technology very new, just fresh from the oven.
Unless we employ overseas talents that develop it.
So we decide to learn on our own, setup in the lab and then implement when we secure the projects.
And it is successfully implemented 2 weeks ahead of time.
[0:23 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
How we convince customer to award project to us - when no one has prior experience and certification in virtualization?
We setup a mock-up of the project in the lab and show them we can do it.
[0:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: COVID-19 insurance now available for travellers visiting Singapore
Foreign visitors to Singapore can now buy inbound travel insurance coverage for COVID-19-related costs incurred in Singapore, the Changi Airport Group (CAG) and the Singapore Tourism Board (STB) said on Wednesday (Nov 18).
The announcement was made on behalf of the Emerging Stronger Taskforce Alliance for Action on Enabling Safe and Innovative Visitor Experiences.
“Inbound insurance coverage has been identified as a key enabler to facilitate the resumption of travel to Singapore,” CAG and STB said.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-insurance-now-available-for-travellers-singapore-13583654
[0:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: My experience from working in China is that foreign talent is brought in to learn from and them quickly removed. That approach creates a bad working relationship and poor reputation for the employer/country. If SG wants to bring in expertise then it must accept bring in the person with it. That means their expectation for how they want to live, stay, grow old etc. They should not just be seen as a means to benefit Singapore, with no regard for their personal ambitions.
[0:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Job attachment during final year tertiary education helps.
[0:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree
[0:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Interestingly, Start Up Tech Development involves risk taking, pushing boundaries, breaking rules and going outside the Normal. Does Singapore feel ready to embrace that mentality? Gov agencies I've dealt with do not have that mindset.
[0:33 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Singapore slips from joint top spot of world's costliest cities https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/singapore-slips-from-joint-top-spot-of-worlds-costliest-cities?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[0:38 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Government agencies that are involved in r&d do have such mindset.
[0:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree. Many foreign residents have been made to feel quite unwelcome over the last 6 to 9 months and that's also been picked up by the international press; this is damaging to what the Government is trying to achieve.
[0:50 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I guess in their eyes knowledge is more important than a worker
So whether a worker leaves on his/her own will or is fired, the knowledge remains with the organisation
[0:53 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Many new technologies start from overseas.
We need to welcome foreign tech talents in order for Singapore economy to do well.
So that good hi tech jobs can be created for Singaporeans.
Though we start to have a rich r&d culture, we can't beat the world tech talents.
Not even US or China if they do it alone.
They also need global tech talents.
[0:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Suspicion has not been dealt with so unhappiness prevaila.
[0:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Foreign talent should be given opportunity to become a value citizen of Singapore if they positively mentor Singapore born citizens (no less than X number to be determined by G) and help boost SG economy on the global platform. However, such foreign talent must not be from a caste system whereby they are likely to carry their culture into SG.
[0:59 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree
[1:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I actually find the requirement for the tech pass quite hard to attain so I’m ok with it. Actually thought the tech pass is for someone who wants to start a tech business here and not employee to be honest.
Another way to attract talent and keep them here is to attract top transnational tech companies here, Twitter, FB, Tiktok which we are already doing. Continue doing this and allow the incubator/sandbox to grow and we may see more “Made in SG” apps, services or products.
To build our own talent is a different story. It has to start with the society and community. A society of extreme obedience who don’t think to challenge the status quo will rarely see epic groundbreaking creativity and innovations.
Schools and education also play a part in shaping our…
[1:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree that we should provide the opportunity. But it also depend on their willingness to integrate into local society and not stay in their clique with fellow foreigners
[1:05 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Lol we should be more than glad that there are Singaporeans (like us) who don't just complain but find our own ways to think of solutions to that complaint
So surely the same principle can be applied to growing local talent
[1:06 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Must hire the right lecturers in local poly, ITE, Uni.
[1:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Lecturers also need to have the heart for teaching lah if they just blindly machine gun their lesson contents we also won't catch any ball
[1:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 😉👍🏻
[1:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: must have 名师 then got 高徒
[1:08 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I read somewhere that Children are like sponge
[1:08 pm, 18/11/2020] +: They can pick up new language easily etc
[1:09 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If we label them and restrict them then it’s going to make them less resilient and adaptable in future
[1:09 pm, 18/11/2020] +: having the right teachers will make a world of difference to nurturing our people
[1:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Eg some children might fail their mother tongue ie Chinese or Malay etc but they may excel in another language like Kanji or Deutsch etc
[1:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Hell yes, they can be weebs or K-Pop fans but if they can learn that language, why not right?
[1:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 🤭
[1:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: so should have VIP foreign talent whereby they work in SG as part time lecturers to impart knowledge and skills to our students, and also be their mentor at his/her workplace where they work as interns of a commercial company
[1:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: pretty much similar to doctors who lectures at uni, while at the same time is a surgeon at a local hospital. The students can be working at interns/resident doctors under the prof
[1:16 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Should we have a Tech Pass for locals? Perhaps with sponsorship for overseas industrial stint and bring the knowledge back to SG
[1:17 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Having parents with good attitude towards teachers are equally, if not more important.
[1:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: u mean respect?
[1:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: That's a good idea but my lecturer isn't really like that type though it would've been interesting if he was
[1:20 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
In university, doesn't mean all prof is a master of new technologies.
They are also exploring.
Good students explore together with prof to come out with innovative projects.
Same as those professionals working in the companies.
R&D is not about teacher teaching students.
Prof facilitates and students learn and grow along with the prof.
[1:22 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
In r&d line, to break through, boss and staff brainstorm ideas, do research in the web, attend forums, participate in interest groups to get ideas - and r&d to develop products and services.
No one can always be a teacher to teach students
[1:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if your lecturer is also senior staff with LTA, what he says will have a whole lot more impact right? Then the students might study super hard to be his intern at LTA, right?
[1:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The thing is he isn't, but on the brightside SMRT will try to arrange for internship for me and even though it's just for me, I can be the relay to relay knowledge from the industry-side to class, win-win
[1:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: lucky u not self type
[1:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I think most lecturers and professors have some industry knowledge before they join Academia. But like tech stuff it changes to fast, they will have to learn on the fly too.
[1:24 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Because r&d is about a product not yet develop.
Then where got teacher to teach?
[1:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: lucky u not selfish type
[1:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I think that happens more in full-time, part-time wise no one sees one another as competition so we are quite closely-bonded together
[1:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Actually most Profs do not have industry experience as they got their positions based on research publications
[1:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: There MUST be a better bridge between current industry and schools/institutions.
[1:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Yea my lecturer said he was in SMRT like 7 years ago or something so all the course material relatively outdated lol
[1:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: the way to stay current and relevant is to ....remain active in the commercial world
[1:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The shorter the bridge the better the outcome when our students graduate.
[1:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: They can probably hit the ground rounding and might even streamline efficient processes as they are exposed to more knowledge from their institutions.
[1:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I'll be back with y'all in a jiffy, typing out summary for my course material for my class peeps :)
[1:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The layman could actually think more out of the box solutions to old problems that older professionals may have stuck in the box thinking about it.
[1:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Accidental discovery of solutions
[1:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree but i think quite hard in current school system
[1:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: KPIs for university profs are tied to research publications and not commercial engagements
[1:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I thought most of them becomes Singapore PR or citizens? Maybe it anecdotal based on my experience. I only know one friend who didn't want to be because he doesn't want to depend on government 😂
[1:29 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It's called Expert Biasness/Blindness
[1:29 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The professionals couldn't think out of the box cos they inherited it as such.
[1:29 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The layman is not restricted to the box.
[1:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: then should modify kpi. Cannot use same kpi all the time. kpi must be current to be relevant
[1:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Thats true
[1:31 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Might be hard as these KPIs are used by global university ranking institutions such as THE and QS
[1:31 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If we changed our KPIs, we might see a sudden fall in our uni international rankings
[1:31 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If we don change, we are stuck with Profs with no industrial knowledge
[1:34 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I have worked with a few Profs on some project before and some of them reject the projects cos there is no research relevance
[1:34 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Even though the project may be impactful in the industry
[1:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I think there should be some form of platform or rule where transnational companies "adopt" one or two learning institutions for collaboration and exchange.
[1:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Students can get easier to internship there and professors or lecturers can write papers for those companies on better efficiency or new tech etc
[1:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Just throwing this thought out
[1:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: CPIB warns of impersonators on WhatsApp asking people to pay fines https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/cpib-impersonators-whatsapp-scam-fake-documents-13584332#.X7Sy83rwftE.whatsapp
[1:47 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Yes. For example, are the teachers getting the necessary support/respect from parents and from the society to deliver the "right" stuffs necessary to nurture our next gen? Lets just take a simple matter of daily manners. If teachers require students to greet and be courteous, would parents say that's unnecessary, complain, their kids are shy; or would parents reinforce the teacher's teaching in daily life after school?
[1:49 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Greetings to teachers ftom students was prevalent in Chinese schools previously orvis still be done now!?
[1:50 pm, 18/11/2020] +: That sounds like an problem from "Axx". "Nxxyxxx" and many other elite schools have no such problem
[1:52 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Feel that it might be a school culture thing
[1:53 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Of course the parents play a part. But they make up the alumni. So it still might be a school culture issue
[1:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Haha.. don't know what is "Axx" or Nxxyxxx" but let's just extend this "manner example" into working life. One of my friend told me this - he was hiring for SGUnite/fresh grads for IT position, and confirmed an interview appointment to a grad. He didn't receive reply for ~2 days despite sending an email reminder to the candidate, and finally called. Guess what. The Sg grad told him he saw his email but didn't reply coz he has already accepted another job. 😅
[1:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Let me guess. The candidate is from NUS? The elite mentality uni culture with monopoly card "get out of jail" 🤣
[1:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: No offends to all those from NUS
[1:59 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Our education system has changed
[2:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: There used to be lots of emphasis on morals and integrity
[2:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: But now... Bo liao
[2:01 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Why?? Just look at how the judges are sentencing.
[2:03 pm, 18/11/2020] +: .. look at what the judges ... * (That's my opinion)
[2:03 pm, 18/11/2020] +: most of the cases I see are related to modesty in NUS
[2:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: And I'm back! So back to the lecturer thing, I just think it's problematic when the students are constantly correcting the lecturer luh, like are we sure we learning the right things?
When I first looked at the course content, I noticed it was outdated then just recently I noticed that some answer keys made no sense and just yesterday the entire class corrected the lecturer on a train formation thing and formula
People will say lecturer is also a person but what is at stake is whether we pass this module or not whereas the lecturer can continue to... lecture without much issue
[2:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: that's why lecturer should be current in the industry
[2:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I remember coming across a job opening on LinkedIn for the exact position, I guess it's a brain drain issue and it's hard to find qualified people to actually teach
[2:13 pm, 18/11/2020] +: the price must be right
[2:13 pm, 18/11/2020] +: pay peanuts get monkey
[2:13 pm, 18/11/2020] +: that's why meds degree more exp than other degrees?
[2:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Hahaha you see
[2:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: err...dont be misled hor
[2:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if u got headhunter friends
[2:15 pm, 18/11/2020] +: or friends in HR of MNC
[2:15 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I'm not misled by anything, the big issue is whether the lecturer is just there to collect $$ or actually teach us
[2:16 pm, 18/11/2020] +: of course every lecturer wants $$$
[2:16 pm, 18/11/2020] +: collect $$
[2:16 pm, 18/11/2020] +: must live leh
[2:16 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not at the expense of us where most pay from own pocket (or PSEA) luh
[2:17 pm, 18/11/2020] +: for them it's just a job. they don't really care whether you really get it or not what
[2:17 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Ya that's the problem, most of them lack the actual passion to teach
[2:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: yah lor. with bell curve, students compete against each other, they don't need to care. without bell curve, everyone can fall within a narrow band and all get B, they also don't care
[2:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: got passion but not enough current talent (might be out dated) also not good
[2:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: But we part time nia don't have the childish "I must do better than this bodoh" mentality ma :3
[2:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: But I think ok lah I balance the problem, and if say after discussing with my classmates and they agree with my conclusion, we will bring it to the lecturer lor so still quite conducive learning experience
[2:20 pm, 18/11/2020] +: lecturer got pie say or not
[2:20 pm, 18/11/2020] +: A bit ah I think hahaha
[2:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Ok lah I pull the question and answer then you all will get the gist
[2:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: sometimes i have legit questions to be clarified because lecturer got logic flaw right. after cornering him/her and cannot give answer, he/she starts getting defensive.... so you tell me whether it's in it for the passion or the $$ lor
[2:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Question
[2:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Answer
[2:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I don't say anything first, you tell me what's wrong
[2:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: My lecturer not like that fortunately, he will like mindblown a bit then continue talking hahaha
[2:31 pm, 18/11/2020] +: https://goodyfeed.com/travel-bubble-singapore-prospective/
[2:45 pm, 18/11/2020] +: There are many whatsapp messages offering loans.
Even from overseas numbers.
[2:46 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Report them to anti-scam unit.
[2:47 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Sometimes they are local scammers but spoof overseas numbers.
[2:47 pm, 18/11/2020] +: wut? travelling in tunnel and want to open door?
[2:47 pm, 18/11/2020] +: we should hire REAL foreign talent who can help singtel/starhub track down these scammers, and block them
[2:48 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Recently, some local scammers get caught.
[2:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: the inertia will send someone flying when they try to "alight" from that door
[2:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: or was it called momentum
[2:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Basically the correct answer should be during emergencies, not just in tunnel
Kinda obvious with the recent power disruption lol
[2:49 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
No need foreign talents to do this.
Local talent good enough to track them down.
[2:50 pm, 18/11/2020] +: but i am still receiving calls from scammers
[2:50 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Report them to anti-scam unit.
They have expertise to track them down.
[2:52 pm, 18/11/2020] +: please share FAQ on this leh
[2:52 pm, 18/11/2020] +: then i broadcast
[2:53 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Anyways hor the point is lucky I read through and not those timid type don't dare to so-called challenge the lecturer
Imagine the full-time guys, all learning wrong stuff lah sia and they won't know because they don't know
[2:54 pm, 18/11/2020] +: now the hotlines
[2:54 pm, 18/11/2020] +: becos many people kena scam and lost money
[2:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: so people do not think that we have capability to outsmart the criminals
[2:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: so ...
[2:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: WL dare to challenge bcos he not scared of being black listed
[2:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: a brave one
[2:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not that I don't like the lecturer or what lah actually he's nice but even a small mistake like this cannot be ignored
[2:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if lecturers very petty then the grades will show
[2:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: yep agree. cos it's fundamental in building how the students will think the solutions should work in future. this kind of errors need to get picked up
[2:59 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Or you can go to the police website to do an online submission.
Attach screenshot of the scam calls.
They will help you to trace the call.
[3:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: And for the lecturer he emphasises that as part-time students we would already know most of what's being taught so ok that one I agree
My class got 5 people including me,
1 is SMRT Train Captain (TC), 1 is SMRT Assistant Station Manager (ASM), 1 is SMRT TEL Power, 1 is MSI Global Bus, 1 is me
Only my MSI Global classmate don't know that much about trains so lucky got me I do both sides so we help each other
[3:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: then why news say people lost money to scammers if we have talent to catch ?
[3:01 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Because people fall into scam but don't report scam.
[3:02 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if they never report then how reporters write the news leh
[3:02 pm, 18/11/2020] +: they got report to their banks and police
[3:03 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Thief is not only one.
There are many out there.
[3:03 pm, 18/11/2020] +: There was an article says that you're scammed because you want to be scam. You are lied too because you want to be lied to. 🤔 To be or not to be lied
[3:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: that sounds more like a love scam
[3:05 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Some are locals.
Some are foreigners.
Police need to do forensic to track them
For overseas scammers, you will need cooperation from foreign Telco and Interpol.
[3:05 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
For local, local Telco and local police can track them easily.
[3:06 pm, 18/11/2020] +: usually foreign la
[3:06 pm, 18/11/2020] +: They see good scammers. I nearly open account for one. Got to know in LinkedIn 😍
[3:06 pm, 18/11/2020] +: then show on phone as POSB/DBS/Singtel
[3:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: yah lor
[3:07 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Police have crack local scammers recently and catch a number of people.
Foreigners will need foreign Telco and foreign police to cooperate - and this take time.
[3:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: the singtel scammer sounded like ex-singtel customer service. Used the same lingo
[3:09 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I report via iWitness
[3:09 pm, 18/11/2020] +: meaning....still boh solution
[3:09 pm, 18/11/2020] +: recently, I receive 1 via telegram. OMG
[3:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: report then how...can catch?
[3:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: dont know, I report as anonymous
[3:10 pm, 18/11/2020] +: dont want to get call on these
[3:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if really can catch, sure can see in the news
[3:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Honestly we derail so much liao but I just want to say uh, if you have built-in service to report (open reporting) and block these numbers, use those
If we can't track them, we can still block them
[3:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: sure can catch bah
[3:11 pm, 18/11/2020] +: they all got a local number to contact for loan etc
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: loan is not illegal
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: cheating/scamming is illegal
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: but not suppose to advertise via whatsapp or telegram
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I'll copy and pasta that for you
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: unless they go digital like what Gov is pushing for all. lol
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If foreign Telco and police don't forward you the information in their country - how to arrest foreign scammers?
Important Singaporean must be smart enough not to fall into a scam.
[3:12 pm, 18/11/2020] +: do via social media
[3:13 pm, 18/11/2020] +: ya. I do that too
[3:13 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore police cannot go to a foreign country to arrest foreign scammers.
Interpol and foreign police need to do the job.
[3:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Am just amaze Singaporean so rich can get scam
[3:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Rich doesn't mean rich insai the brain
[3:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 👍
[3:14 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Cuz too much sai insai the brain
[3:17 pm, 18/11/2020] +: on top of FTA, we need new agreements
[3:20 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Foreign scammers can be anyone in the world.
It can be as far as Nigeria or as near as Malaysia.
Recently, China, Malaysia and Singapore manage to crack one foreign scammers that scam Singaporean, China national and Malaysians.
It took a few years to crack them.
[3:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Great, hope to have such offer for Singaporeans who go overseas
[3:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If it originates from China, we have lesser worries, the China G has good control over their entire network within their borders.
[3:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: That's why China scammers now moved their operations outside China borders
[3:24 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not so simple with technology.
People can install VPN and bypass firewall.
[3:24 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The IP numbers can be a dummy number.
Any tech guys know how to bypass security.
+ left
[3:25 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Many foreigners access foreign website using SSL VPN.
[3:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: err... now some websites already got solutions against vpn and firewalls liao
[3:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I think we have derailed far enough already
[3:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Someone already left because we derail too much
[3:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Ya lor need to grind the rail
[3:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: they do geo block and facebook check
[3:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: and other checks too
[3:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 🛎
[3:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Hahaha #Phyllis4MCI
[3:32 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 5 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all imported infections
Singapore reported five new COVID-19 infections as of noon on Wednesday (Nov 18).
All of the cases were imported and were placed on stay-home notice or isolated upon arrival in Singapore, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in the preliminary daily update.
No locally transmitted cases were reported for the eighth consecutive day.
Details of the new cases will be released on Wednesday night, said the ministry.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-imported-no-locally-transmitted-infections-moh-13583322
REACH
[3:33 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Dear all, please stick to topic :)
[3:34 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Unless they can crack the encrypted tunnel.
Else content check no used.
So far I know, many people can still access foreign website.
[3:34 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Lai OG Megan, we know one another for too long liao, pew pew time
[3:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 🔫🔫🔫
[3:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Take your shots at the topic ;)
[3:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Hahaha only you cheeky sia
[3:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Alcohol shots? I can do that tonight
[3:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Ok lai let us reverse back through the crossovers, junctions, switches and points and get back on track
So for the topic hor, I think while we focus on considering locals, we must also balance that focus with FTs as much as we can
[3:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: In order to have enough... we have to bring in more. Many talent cannot be train out from just going for classes.
Interactions between FT is part of the learning process. Not all are highly skilled, but opening up so that some come in can transfer skills over to local.
But on the basis of hiring to benefit local staff so that they can learn from rather as a source of cheaper labor
[3:49 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Agree, like hiring a mentor from overseas
[3:49 pm, 18/11/2020] +: But ultimately, local workers must be willing to learn from their expertise, instead of discriminate them and claim that they are here to break our rice bowl
[3:50 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It’s takes time for us to build up capacity. We tried stealing talent from overseas with our ASEAN scholarship, but fail to integrate them 🤷🏻♂️
[3:50 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It's a culture thing lor I think gahmen needs to rectify the mentality
[3:51 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Many don’t see it that way, but of course hiring FT for the correct reason. The management have to see that point.
[3:53 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I learn many different skills from talent brought in by NUS doing research with them. Open up different perspective and work culture.
Yes most of them are willing to work longer hours due to having lesser attachment here. But still having to work with international talent do have certain things we can learn from them. Including willingness to learn and work overseas.
[3:53 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Unless we climb out of this mindset, we will never be able to progress as a nation
[3:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I do think that we have to have certain kind of oversight for the hiring process to ensure it is not misused. But need to make it so that real talent gets to come in. And provide a possible way for them to integrate into Singapore. We don’t just want rich citizen but also talent that willing to make Singapore their home.
[3:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I see far too many people wanting to get PR or SC, even with PhD or scholarship from Singapore having to leave cause the quota
[3:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: An issue is how to balance that and so-called FT quota and continue to make opportunities fair for locals?
[3:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Is a chicken or egg thing
[3:56 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not enough talent companies don’t come in
[3:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: We need to first make it easy for talent to come in before companies get to hire lesser skilled workers.
[3:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It takes time for local to pick up skills like in the early 80 and 90 when oil and gas started
[3:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Many of that time are managers now in most of the MNC
[4:01 pm, 18/11/2020] +: There are times government also make wrong choices like the life sciences, where in the end many grads but not enough jobs. But we have to keep trying. The push for IT was recongise so we try again.
[4:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Mainly we just blame the ones not hiring enough 🤷🏻♂️
[4:05 pm, 18/11/2020] +: What is not being told!?
[4:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It starts with our education system. It's not progressive and feels stuck in the 1950's.
[4:20 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Obsessed with tests and exams and repetitive learning.
[4:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It produces workers that work effectively without question asked lol
[4:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It's hard to become an entrepreneurial nation when people are brought up to do as they are told, not ask questions and repeat.
[4:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: That worked I'm sure very effectively to build a nation, but it won't develop nation.
[4:22 pm, 18/11/2020] +: We need a creative approach, social learning, problem solving and international perspectives
[4:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The international schools here have a totally different and more modern approach to education compared with the local schools.
[4:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It takes lots of investment to tune the mindset sadly don’t know how 😅
[4:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not exactly a good thing
We can't have Yes men everywhere, there needs to be more No men to keep things in check and in rationale
[4:23 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Partner with the international schools more
[4:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Why is there such strict separation?
[4:24 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Make it a requirement that the internationals school run some classes or do some teacher exchange, training etc
[4:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: We can have a few, not all. If all white collar then who do work? 🤣
[4:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Here's a great example if where we can benefit from foreign talent and expertise, but we don't use it
[4:25 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Unless you want to become like Taiwan so much option with all degree grad
[4:26 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It would give more opportunities to local kids to grow up?
[4:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Training our kids to be blue collar to ensure we have enough workers whilst we have a population shortage and excess foreign workers available?
[4:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: It's not about the qualification anyway, it's about the learning
[4:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Honestly ah a survey should be done to ask kids what they aspire to be
Then from there weigh the options
[4:27 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Good idea
[4:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: We could be talking to kids in all the schools both local and international and do a comparison study.
[4:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If they already have an idea of what they want to do right from the start, we can already begin to groom them through CCAs or external events
[4:28 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I like it. One note is that the world will be very different in 15 years. There will be jobs we don't know about right now.
[4:29 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Maybe the focus is on skills and understanding rather than the job.
[4:29 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Of course there'll be those who don't know what to do and will just study as hard as possible then consider their options at JC level
[4:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Practically, we need to train and educate people so they can have jobs. Yes. 100%
[4:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Equally we need an avenue for those who are able to lead, imagine and create.
[4:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Talent coming in is no issue.
The Issue lies with the talent come in & settle here, and then slowly bringing in their relatives or friends & their ... using short & Long term passes.
Even domestic workers are doing this.
[4:30 pm, 18/11/2020] +: If we accept we dont have those people, or the resources to develop them, then that's when we invite the foreign talent.
[4:31 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not sure people can bring in friends? Only direct family, right?
[4:33 pm, 18/11/2020] +: The days where blue collar can slowly climb up white is getting more rare as there are more than enough degree grad. Haiz 🤷🏻♂️
[4:33 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Hahaha back to the paper qualifications thing
[4:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not sure which is better actually... people from blue work there way up tend to stay longer. And have much more knowledge.
But sometimes if none are good then it is bad for the company
[4:35 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I have known people bringing in their college mates , submitting resumes on behalf of their friends
[4:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I would prefer to have people who work their way up
More loyalty, more experience, more knowledge
[4:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: That I also do lar lol
[4:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: OYK when he was at MOE already hinted, we are producing too nany graduates
[4:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not in some sectors
[4:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Some way too much
[4:37 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Any other industries suffering from brain drain?
[4:38 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Chemical engineer always run to other industries 🤣
[4:40 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Cuz choo choo industry confirm kena brain drain that's why desperately launch SGRIS
[4:42 pm, 18/11/2020] +: ?
[4:45 pm, 18/11/2020] +: SGRail Industry Scholarship, the one I got
[5:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: For the HSR?
[5:00 pm, 18/11/2020] +: No, for MRT in general
[5:01 pm, 18/11/2020] +: I see.. drain to where what other industries take their people? Or in general all position there?
[5:02 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not sure go where but I wouldn't say people would stay for long given the limited growth opportunities
[5:07 pm, 18/11/2020] +: https://www.instagram.com/p/CHuRYUgMuoe/?igshid=1rn131yvwxekl
Innovative!
Rama
[5:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: https://goodyfeed.com/ubi-tharman/
[5:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/3000-civil-servants-to-get-10m-in-compensation-after-errors-in-records-affected-their?utm_source=Telegram&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STTG
[5:26 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Agree.
Giving away money or universal basic income is bad idea.
Because reserves will be gone very quickly.
People will become lazy and rely on government for easy money.
Providing jobs - by providing people the means to earn their worth is sustainable and help people to preserve their sense of self-worth.
[5:31 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If not dig into reserves, will mean heavier taxes on rich and middle income people to provide universal basic income to everyone - including those who don't want to work.
This will demotivate people to work.
[5:32 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Because even if don't work also got universal basic income - coming into the pocket.
Then why work.
Then our economy will suffer.
Rama
[5:33 pm, 18/11/2020] +: This is why LKY never ever followsanythingfrom other countries!! No incentive for people out of work to make an effort to be gainfully employed. Just sit at home and money will come to them!
[5:45 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We have to follow economic principles in managing our economy.
We are a small country without strategic depth.
Thus our government need to be very bright to make sure we can continue to create wealth and at the same time preserve our wealth.
[5:46 pm, 18/11/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Any mismanagement - we will see our wealth depleted over time.
Rama
[5:48 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Our government has always been extremely prudent all through our sovereign status.
[5:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: wah, these 3000 ppl never calculate and report meh
[5:55 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 1 pax is about $3k lei, based on avarage
[5:57 pm, 18/11/2020] +: True, surprised no one made noise. Maybe everybody assumed that since it’s automated the figures must be correct
[5:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Or could be they don't check the monthly salary lol I wouldn't check actually
[6:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Cos it affects only the guys
[6:04 pm, 18/11/2020] +: And you know guys got money come in can liao around the right amount etc
[6:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: 3K is alot lei
[6:18 pm, 18/11/2020] +: lol
[6:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: oh, it's medical leave wages
[6:19 pm, 18/11/2020] +: so not able to calculate.. only HR backend will calculate
[6:21 pm, 18/11/2020] +: No need to care, got legal money in just take can already
[6:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: https://www.sgpc.gov.sg/media_releases/mom/press_release/P-20201016-1
[6:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Not sure how it works with TraceTogether App/Token.
[6:36 pm, 18/11/2020] +: if not become we traceDifferently liao
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[6:58 pm, 18/11/2020] +: Dear Contributors,
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