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[12:00 pm, 26/06/2020] +: π’Topicπ’
Today marks the start of the second week of Phase 2. How can we continue to take part in community activities in a safe manner?
Under phase 2 of the re-opening of Singapore’s economy which started last Friday, more businesses are now operating, and dining-in is also allowed at food and beverage outlets.
Speaking at a virtual press conference yesterday, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong and National Development Minister Lawrence Wong said that
Singapore will not be moving down from Dorscon orange for some time to come because the country is still not out of the woods yet for Covid-19.
They cautioned against letting our guard down and called for people to "maintain our guard" and "maintain our vigilance".
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/it-will-be-dorscon-orange-for-some-time-yet-say-task-force-chairmen
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[12:12 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Severe COVID-19 can damage the brain, preliminary study finds
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-coronavirus-brain-damage-study-12871954
[12:14 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Notice many who dine in coffee shop after eating did not pull up their face mask - but keep talking to their friends for a long time with their mask down.
[12:16 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
There are no plastic shield that separates dine in customer.
Such activities will not make dine in customer safe.
Rama
[12:19 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Sigh!
Desmond Koh
[12:25 pm, 26/06/2020] +: haha then don dine out? tabao home safer?
[12:25 pm, 26/06/2020] +: u can go remind them? π
Valli
[12:28 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Agree.
Even at job sites, after going thru CCB & Phase 1 , reminders are still required to enforce the wearing of mask.
MOM can brainstorm & work with employers to provide some quality appropriate mask for those working under hot sun eg Shipyards & construction sites.
It is tough putting on N95 mask for these industries.
Leonard Lau
[12:29 pm, 26/06/2020] +: The logical thing To do is EITHER buy and eat at home OR finish up food and go .
Don’t stay in the eating places for too long especially enclosed ones .
Desmond Koh
[12:29 pm, 26/06/2020] +: https://www.instagram.com/caipng2.50/
hahaha
XaniceAfcai
[12:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Some auntiess and uncle Queuing for food order no wear mask too. They thought when they stepped into dining areas, dun need to wear mask.
Alvin
[12:57 pm, 26/06/2020] +: This
[12:57 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Too much ambiguity
[1:06 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
The sense of danger is not there.
When dine in people must assume that there are infected case among us.
And we must always put on the mask when there are strangers around.
REACH
[1:07 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Cybercrime jumps more than 50% in 2019, new threats emerge from COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/cybercrime-jumps-more-than-50-2019-new-threats-covid-19-csa-12872818
[1:08 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Vaccine against COVID-19 not certain, maybe in a year: WHO
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-when-vaccine-world-health-organization-12871160
[1:09 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
WHO predicted that infection will hit 10 million in a week times.
Yet vaccines and treatment are still not ready.
Alvin
[1:13 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Bro, covid is similar to HIV/AIDS
[1:13 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Don’t hold you breathe for a cure soon
Ken
[1:26 pm, 26/06/2020] +: The stake is high, if not confident no company will sell it.
Franco
[1:23 pm, 26/06/2020] +: balance for microwave dinner!
Rama
[1:23 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Agree
CQ
[1:24 pm, 26/06/2020] +: That looks yums!
Franco
[1:26 pm, 26/06/2020] +: safest....tabao and eat at home!π€
[1:48 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Permanent damages caused to the lungs in severe cases.
Franco
[1:49 pm, 26/06/2020] +: is patient tony still alive?
[1:49 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Not sure, but report say he has alot of difficulty in breathing.
Franco
[1:50 pm, 26/06/2020] : I hope he is cured now.
Desmond Koh
[1:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: sorry please ignore the cai png instagram, sent to wrong chat π
[1:57 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Diners to remove masks only while eating or drinking: MOH
Diners should only remove their masks while eating or drinking, rather than for "the whole duration" of the meal, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Wednesday (Jun 24).
Responding to media queries, MOH reiterated that masks must be worn at all times to prevent droplets from spreading COVID-19, except when performing strenuous activities or while eating or drinking.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-phase-2-diners-remove-mask-only-eating-drinking-12866558
[1:58 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53065340
Maybellerejoice1
Danny
[2:09 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Highest infection rates come from countries who don't like wearing masks.
Desmond Koh
[2:10 pm, 26/06/2020] +: It inspired me to eat cai png for lunch!! π
[2:10 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Any medical reports that say people seriously ill or die from wearing masks?
Many medical staff wear mask. Did they suffer any illness or death from long term wearing masks?
XaniceAfcai
[2:12 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Then all eateries shd put up sign.. Mask to be remove when eating or drinking. Waiting,,ordering food etc are not allowed to take down mask.
CQ
[2:13 pm, 26/06/2020] +: This was listed as one of the symptoms in the vaping disease reported in the US around Aug/Sep last year.
Nicholas Lee
[2:22 pm, 26/06/2020] +:
Florida anti-mask activisits make a stand
https://www.facebook.com/341163402640457/posts/3544563988967033/
Ben
[2:24 pm, 26/06/2020] +: People can't breathe when they are dead....
[2:25 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
There are alot of fake news coming out from anti-mask news.
Florida is one of the highest infection rates.
Trump is a role model of anti mask hero.
That's why US has more than 2 million people infected and the highest death rate in the world.
[2:25 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
To counter fake news - we must use our wisdom.
Ben
[2:26 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Should medical care be suspended from people who put others in harms way? She puts people at risk by not wearing a mask. She puts children, parents, workers in danger by her own belligerence.
Stella
[2:33 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Yes and move them to an island so that they among similar selfish people. They should not be allowed to be among considerate, law abiding people.
Rama
[2:33 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Pay your own medical bills
Franco
[2:34 pm, 26/06/2020] +: I hope those in the video dun get sick and dun need to see a doctor some day...π
REACH
[3:19 pm, 26/06/2020] +: 219 new coronavirus cases, including 6 in the community
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/219-new-coronavirus-cases-including-6-in-the-community?cx_testId=20&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s
Rama
[3:20 pm, 26/06/2020] +: At least, community cases is single digit!
Eugene
[3:24 pm, 26/06/2020] +: hopefully most of the cases are either linked or asymptomatic and there isn't any new clusters in the community
Ben
[3:27 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Yes, but the problem here is that careless people infect others who might be trying to stay safe.
Jimmy Chew
[3:28 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Haha weirdo america. They end up dumb because they were the best before but didn't concentrate on education. So all very dumb now. some can't read and write.
Ram
[3:31 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Smart alec!
[3:33 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
See community spreading still have not stop.
Jimmy Chew
[4:20 pm, 26/06/2020] +: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/ge2020-pap-stands-behind-candidate-ivan-lim-amidst-elitist-attitude-allegations?utm_source=emarsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=asiaone_newsletter&utm_term=GE2020%3A%20PAP%20stands%20behind%20candidate%20Ivan%20Lim%20amidst%20elitist%20attitude%20allegations&utm_content=26/06/2020
[4:21 pm, 26/06/2020] +: like Trump haha
Anne
[4:23 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Can we be sure she did not put on mask because she is selfish, or because she had a different perspective or understanding? Initially when Singapore was infected with C-19, we didn’t see the need to wear masks either.
Ben
[4:38 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Nor did we see the need for a lockdown. Best to examine the evidence don't you think? Pretty clear now we have more information to make better decisions. Do you have a different perspective?
Anne
[4:50 pm, 26/06/2020] +: This is exactly what I mean. Initially we didn’t see a need for masks and circuit breaker, so let’s not just assume that anybody who didn’t see a need for masks and lock downs are thinking and acting selfishly.
Dong Liang
[4:52 pm, 26/06/2020] +: I thought they initially plan to send Abu bakar from Keppel, he is definitely more popular than Ivan Lim.
[5:04 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Important to ask is:-
1. For a prolong period of time when people deal with him, is he like that or the particular incident is one off?
2. If one off and not a perpetual behaviour, then we must be big hearted to accept him.
3. Because no one is perfect in this world.
4. Who can raise their hand and say they never err in their whole entire life but live like a Saint and flawless?
REACH
[5:08 pm, 26/06/2020] +: More than S$55 million set aside to help agriculture and aquaculture firms innovate
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-food-security-agri-tech-55-million-innovate-12873640
Rama
[5:35 pm, 26/06/2020] +: https://mothership.sg/2020/06/pm-lee-khaw-boon-wan-retirement/
[5:36 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes.
One must be kind in the heart first.
And then improve for the better.
Because no one is perfect.
And when one is mindful, one will be conscious to improve their not so perfect parts.
[5:36 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes. There will be check and balance.
If a behaviour is persistent, people will find out and he will get voted out in one term.
But if he has changed and contribute in positive ways, then we have given him a chance and we have not wasted a talent.
Rama
[5:41 pm, 26/06/2020] +: A leopard cannot change its spots!
Ken
[5:45 pm, 26/06/2020] +: No one is perfect, but not too sure. Do we gave him the chance?
Partly also he need to be mentally strong cause any down fall will also be considered inside. π€·♂️
But we have good example TPL manage to pull off a SMC. π€·♂️
So we never know.
[5:46 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Being a MP is not a normal job. Is worst then being a celebrity. With every action under a microscope.
Dong Liang
[5:51 pm, 26/06/2020] +: I am sure he is mentally strong if not he won't be able to climb so high in the corporate life. But being a MP needs to have compassion and empathy, which Ivan lim really lacks judging from the online comments. Compassion is difficult to pick up.
CQ
[5:52 pm, 26/06/2020] +: There were multiple anecdotes of him from various points in life, from poly, to uni, to army, to reservist, to Keppel. All attesting to his elitist, humble brag, and zero empathy/ consideration for those subordinate to him.
As Min Masagos said, you don't look at one incident but you need to look at his whole life. I agree. Unfortunately this statement has become a double-edged sword if those anecdotes were indeed true, that he's really not a good person.
I agree that we are not saints and we don't purport to be one. But when there's more than 1 person coming out to attest to his attitude (and of course taken with a pinch of salt because its social media), should we still ignore those stories or should we think a bit more about what kind of a leader is he going to be?
Ken
[5:53 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Lol I am sure I met a few that don’t just act. But what can we do? Pull down the minister that are inside the GRC? π
CQ
[5:53 pm, 26/06/2020] +: I agree. Hard skills can learn, soft skills also can pick up. Character is hard to change.
Jimmy Chew
[6:08 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Takes lots of guts to call out a politician. Like those who complained about Trump. When no one support the whistle blower. They have to bow out. Elitism is deep. They will remember
[6:14 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Many people write off TPL in Machperson as she display her atas barang barang.
But now it turn out that she is a competent, well like MP in Machperson.
Not the one that's posted in social media that she is snobbish.
So .......?
[6:23 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
http://theindependent.sg/a-little-girl-called-tin-pei-ling-grows-up/
[6:25 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
A big heart to accept her - and she is now a well like MP who has given her best to her constituency.
[6:32 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Ivan Lim saga: PAP’s Masagos says GE is time for candidates to ‘redeem’ themselves
Nicholas Yong
Yahoo News Singapore2 hours ago
Ivan Lim, 42, was officially unveiled as a PAP candidate on Wednesday, 25 June 2020. PHOTO: People's Action Party
SINGAPORE — In light of online allegations made against new People’s Action Party (PAP) candidate Ivan Lim Shaw Chua, the General Election is a time for individuals to “redeem” themselves, said the party’s vice chairman Masagos Zulkifli on Friday (26 June).
“GE is a time when people who have been introduced will also elicit responses, which are not surprising sometimes. But also I think it is important for the candidates who may have been alleged to be something or other to also prove themselves,” said Masagos, who was addressing a virtual press conference.
“And I think it is not a moment in their career or their time with people that define them, but as a person throughout their life, and also an opportunity for them if they have done something in the past, to redeem themselves. Because we have seen qualities in all our candidates that make them what we think (are) good leaders that will serve our people well.”
Masagos, who did not mention any names, was responding to a question about online criticisms of Lim, 42, who was formally unveiled as a candidate on Monday. Since then, multiple posts have emerged online, purportedly from former colleagues and National Servicemen, claiming that he is arrogant, elitist and lacks compassion.
Lim currently manages specialised vessels for Keppel Shipyard. The father of four has been volunteering at Henderson-Dawson constituency over the past year.
Follow Yahoo News Singapore’s GE2020 coverage here.
CQ
[6:35 pm, 26/06/2020] +: With such a saga, it would be risky to still insist on fielding him...
Rama
[6:36 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Party knows what they are doing
[6:36 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Well I leave it to the party to assess the risk.
As a person, I am willing to give him a chance to prove and redeem himself.
Rama
[6:36 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Hopefully
[6:37 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Just like when I feel about TPL saga in Machperson.
Rama
[6:38 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Time will tell
maybellrejoice1
[6:42 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Yes it's important to give people chances to redeem themselves. Everyone deserves mercy, compassion & forgiveness & not condemnation. All of us are not perfect & we have alot of flaws. Cannot be self righteous or judgemental too soon. It's best that we judge ourselves first.
Dong Liang
[6:43 pm, 26/06/2020] +: What turns out to be an asset initially for the party to motivate people who has humble beginnings can succeed in life now becomes a liability. It is no doubt the tea session selection didnt achieve its objective.
CQ
[6:51 pm, 26/06/2020] +: It's not that I'm not prepared to give him a chance, but with so many accounts of him in that light, I would place him on the backburner for another 4 years and let him rehabilitate himself there first, let him show the people that he recognises past criticisms and he's no longer like that. It's not just about 2nd chances, it's also to see whether he can really fit the role of being a true leader with empathy which 4G is really looking for.
Rama
[6:52 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Likewise
[6:54 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Well the party have to assess people sentiment on him.
If majority feel the same, and is not comfortable, versus those who can give him a chance to prove and redeem himself.
The party I believe will weigh the balance.
For me I am open.
REACH
[6:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: π️ please stick to the topic!π️
CQ
[6:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Oopsie! π€
Alvin
[6:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: I shared this in another chat group of friends. If this happens during LKY era, once you put on that White Shirt you have to be “spotless”. You either step down and resign or sue the bugger until he say sorry. PAP has a clean and no nonsense image. They are morally upright and image is squeaky clean just like our SIA SQ stewards and stewardess. Image is everything.
Rama
[6:55 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Long time never see bell!π¨π
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:58 pm, 26/06/2020] +: So this is what clause iv is for π
Alvin
[6:58 pm, 26/06/2020] +: π€
Thomas
Maybe this may change a few minds.
REACH
[7:45 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Hello REACH Contributors!
⏰ We wil be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight! π΄
Megan
[7:51 pm, 26/06/2020] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why never jump in to nail people's fate before even giving him a chance.
I still believe in my view on TPL - and turn out to be right.
Rama
[7:53 pm, 26/06/2020] +: All the best
[7:53 pm, 26/06/2020] +: π✋πππ€π€
[8:00 pm, 26/06/2020] +: Hi REACH Contributors,
Please note that the chats will be closed today and we will reopen tomorrow.
We will continue to push out news and updates today.
Looking forward to hearing feedback from everyone tomorrow! ☺️
Megan
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You're so right. π
Danny
Hahahaha...
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Thank you Danny for the info. π€ The PAP actually does extensive background checks on candidates.
If a person is so morally flawed, without any hope for redemption, they will never be considered. There will definitely be naysayers with an axe to grind. Those who have come out in the open to destroy /condemn others on social media; already says alot about them. They have a personal vendetta for revenge.
So sorry if I wrote too much. Just sharing my thoughts.
Danny
No problem.
I look at issue based on objective assessment and understand the system behind it before posting in REACH.
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Yes, you're very understanding, reasonable & intelligently non-judgemental.
Appreciate your temperate views.
Tks again. π
Danny
Hahahaha....
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