REACH 485 - What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?
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07/08/2023, 9:59 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
On Friday 4 August, the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness released their final report on 22 recommendations for the Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL) to strengthen workplace fairness. WFL will strengthen protections against discrimination and ensure that employees and jobseekers have fair access to job opportunities.
Minister for Manpower, Dr Tan See Leng had earlier said that “The Workplace Fairness legislation marks a significant step in Singapore employment law, and it will be scoped to achieve three wins: preserve harmonious workplaces, better protect workers, and support business growth in Singapore." These Government will work closely with Tripartite Partners to implement the recommendations in 2024.
*💬 What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?*
The recommendations of the Committee are guided by the following principles:
📌Introduce workplace fairness legislation to complement the Tripartite Guidelines on Fair
Employment Practices (TGFEP) and not replace it. The TGFEP remain an important part of our workplace fairness framework that set out the positive principles
of fairness for employers.
📌Scope legislation appropriately to foster strong employer ownership and support fair and just workplace outcomes for employees.
📌 Give more assurance to workers that they can report workplace discrimination or harassment without fear of retaliation.
📌Support national objectives and permit genuine occupational needs to be considered in employment decisions.
📌 Preserve workplace harmony and maintain a non-litigious workplace culture, with mediation as the preferred approach to resolve disputes.
📌Ensure that discriminatory employers face appropriate enforcement action, and provide redress to individuals who have been discriminated against.
Some of the key recommendations by the Committee includes prohibiting workplace discrimination in respect of the following characteristics: (i) nationality, (ii) age, (iii) sex, marital status, pregnancy status, caregiving responsibilities, (iv) race, religion, language, (v) disability, mental health conditions, requiring employers to put in place proper grievance handling processes and call for appropriate redress for victims of workplace discrimination covered by the new legislation and appropriate enforcement action against errant employers.
The full list of recommendations by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness report can be found in this link:
https://go.gov.sg/wflreport
👉 https://str.sg/iiyR
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ministry-manpower-workplace-fairness-anti-discrimination-3672156
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07/08/2023, 10:02 am - +Ah Heng: There should be a change in CV no age no date of birth
07/08/2023, 10:02 am - +Ah Heng: This will allow fair play for 1 interview
07/08/2023, 10:05 am - +Ah Heng: Ratio of ep / white collar must be on 1:1 no longer the 1:3 works as in many forms now local are out number by WP/ep
07/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: Practice of hiring of retiree's seems to be talk only and MUST come at reasonable rate. Being old does not mean can be taken advantage of
07/08/2023, 10:35 am - +Rama: It will still happen!😳😞😡😠
07/08/2023, 10:42 am - +Smiley face: "The entire ballpark of spectators are cheering and jeering while the coaches and the VIPs watching intensely the outcome of each swing of the bat...In the game of baseball, you conquer each base, you aim for a home run or you are strike out; take your aim and avoid been strike X, that's the tricks of this game!"
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07/08/2023, 10:45 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: MOM has good intentions. It's very good. But it's going to be hard to implement and I don't have any good suggestions how to do it. It's very easy for companies to justify and change the JD/KPI to fit the type of candidate they want or to kick someone out. I hope MOM can figure it out.
07/08/2023, 10:46 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: JD=job description
KPI=key performance indicators
07/08/2023, 10:46 am - +Smiley face: Attachment, Detachment or Alignment?
07/08/2023, 10:48 am - +Ah Heng: Problem is the ground
07/08/2023, 10:48 am - +Ah Heng: There will be companies who will moan Abt being too exclusive for locals
07/08/2023, 11:00 am - +TD: Don't even need wp/ep. PR outnumbering locals also
07/08/2023, 11:09 am - +Smiley face: 7 August, 2023
Discrimination and/or Favoritism?
"The larger an entirety is...the higher you climb the corporate ladder, the bigger the picture of the strategic map you see and the key focus is to be able to zoom into each level of the processus, the policies and the people; all in, these leaders must have the detailed know how, the stamina and on-sight to connect all people at each level and importantly for the top leadership to be able to connect to ALL people or you will lose touch and the game of "snake and ladder (internal conflicts and politics)" will befall upon you regardless if you are the staff or the boss; all are colleagues in-fighting!"
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07/08/2023, 11:27 am - +KL: It a matter you want to do or not . In someplace, previously they have to post a job they will check so much that a lot of departments is involve . Their manpower and respective ministry just to ensure they hiring talent .
07/08/2023, 11:27 am - +KL: In sg we just want “cheaper labour” from neighbouring country <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 11:29 am - +KL: Sg say no one in local want to do accounting did they see how many ppl imported in accounting from neighbouring country with just certs not even Acca .
07/08/2023, 11:30 am - +KL: Yet our local go to university with huge school fees and get peanuts pay. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 11:31 am - +KL: I believe not only accounting . A lot of sector .
07/08/2023, 11:31 am - +KL: Just a widfully blind eye
07/08/2023, 11:49 am - +Smiley face: Discriminations: by age, by abilities, by aborn, by adorn and by akin....
07/08/2023, 11:50 am - +Rama: By race, gender, religion and colour too!
07/08/2023, 11:50 am - +Smiley face: Obvious and known... thanks Andrew!
07/08/2023, 11:50 am - +Smiley face: Less obvious...?
07/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Rama: Physically handicap but able bodied mentally worse!
07/08/2023, 11:56 am - +Smiley face: "The Future of the Human Capital: A New Eclosion of the Chrysalis World"
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07/08/2023, 11:59 am - +Smiley face: Continuation:
(Accelerating Performances & Pitfalls: The Jung & The Maslow ways and more ways out of it?)
"Together: Mankind needs to be billions brilliant to create the zillions; not groups of smart alec...?"
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07/08/2023, 12:01 pm - +Smiley face: In the present moment of the world that is full of conflicts, contradictions and consequentially many times irrelevant and irrational thoughts processus! Why?...
07/08/2023, 12:03 pm - +Smiley face: 7 August, 2023
"The first Happinesses...!"
Initiation?
An attempt of addressing the workplace discrimination practices, it is a good starting point to resolve this illness at work, a first happiness for the working order !
However, we are not only dealing with a carefully planned code of conduct of what is not acceptable and what is clearly wrong doing whether is a peer to peer or manager to subordinate or colleague to colleague from different departments.
The core of the pain is hidden in the inner part of a human being. what is motivation and what is intention?
the word motif derives from the self and through a longer timeline, beliefs are generated and more than a few people will believe certain principles or concepts are acceptable or wrong or correct!
For thousands of years, human are living in this world that is full of subjects and objects that created different opinions and comments on all outcomes. Even history can be subjective and at times objective too!
So what to belief and what is wrong? As for portion of correctness, its almost certain that it will be fully embraced by billions, isnt it easier to sell the belief of righteousness over viciousness?
The triumph of the Good over the Evil?
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07/08/2023, 12:10 pm - +~L: Good to see all those recommendations adopted. New clear way to measure if they are being done, including whistleblowing, surveys, public information campaigns, penalties, name and shame etc. Slap on the wrist and demerit points are meaningless.
07/08/2023, 12:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Whistle blowing - Age Discrimination:-
1. Check all GLCs IT companies.
07/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Smiley face: "The Dynamics of Stability and The Destabilisation of Adaptability"
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07/08/2023, 12:38 pm - +Smiley face: What is 100% and what is the following Sequel?
101 and times? You will not see the results of this 101. When you reach the pinnacle of a 100 story, what is the next flooring of achievement? After the perfect score of 100, next shall be the starting point of 1 !
In all orientation of results,...
07/08/2023, 12:41 pm - +Smiley face: ...All said, these consolidations of the knowledgeable will be the largest universal data sets known to mankind since ancient Mesopotamia; it not a question of when but how soon? And that's the final countdown of the ultimate winners and losers of this game of counting, ratio of tangibles and intangibles, and the homo economicus: all becoming possible!"
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Discrimination?
07/08/2023, 12:46 pm - +Rama: The financial, time consuming, psychological cost of bringing justice for discrimination must not be exorbitant to the average individual.
07/08/2023, 12:55 pm - +Smiley face: In the present moment of the world that is full of conflicts, contradictions and consequentially many times irrelevant and irrational thoughts processus! Why?
What is value, propriety and what is consequence?
Often in our daily lives, we encounter these three variables of three existential that is options, risks and hopes.
In layperson context, the closest match is perhaps persist opinions. This paradigm of opinion is often expressed in writings or verbally expressed across all known media of comments. This big , stub-born and unchanged is scarecy and not secrecy!
Don't waste your time to convince or to convert the cognitive kinds, this 'scared' belief is the bedrock of non-negotiable from whatever opinions or comments.
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07/08/2023, 1:09 pm - +Smiley face: Exhibit behaviors
07/08/2023, 1:10 pm - +Smiley face: Inhibit behaviors
07/08/2023, 1:51 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. The principles laid out by MOM against workplace discrimination looks sound, fair and will provide a safeguard against discrimination in the workplace.
2. But genuine, effective implementation by Employers - is the key to success.
3. Hence, I will like to suggest "Annual Audit" by trusted agents commission by MOM to audit companies is the key to ensure discrimination are not being covertly or overtly carried out by the managers, superviors and bossess at all levels.
4. Similar to annual audit of books and finances, annual audits of workplace discrimination is a deterrence, to show that MOM is serious in cleaning up the act of discrimination at the workplace.
5. Companies that have been "whistle-blowed" should be paid particular attention that CEO, senior management, managers and superviors at all levels do not carry discriminatory practices against their staff.
- All suspicious cases should be look into, especially those retrenched, resign, demoted cases, to identify whether discrimination have been carried out.
Past performance records of the staff should be audited for all these staff - as it will revealed why good performers are retrenched, demoted or force to resign.
- Hiring practices, hiring outcomes should also be studied to determine if discrimination have been carried out.
- Whistle-blowing cases should be look into and checked against.
6. Only through such systematic process of annual audit against workplace discrimination will ensure all the prinicples laid out by MOM can be achieved.
07/08/2023, 2:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
On Friday 4 August, the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness released their final report on 22 recommendations for the Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL) to strengthen workplace fairness. WFL will strengthen protections against discrimination and ensure that employees and jobseekers have fair access to job opportunities.
Minister for Manpower, Dr Tan See Leng had earlier said that “The Workplace Fairness legislation marks a significant step in Singapore employment law, and it will be scoped to achieve three wins: preserve harmonious workplaces, better protect workers, and support business growth in Singapore." These Government will work closely with Tripartite Partners to implement the recommendations in 2024.
*💬 What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?*
The recommendations of the Committee are guided by the following principles:
📌Introduce workplace fairness legislation to complement the Tripartite Guidelines on Fair
Employment Practices (TGFEP) and not replace it. The TGFEP remain an important part of our workplace fairness framework that set out the positive principles
of fairness for employers.
📌Scope legislation appropriately to foster strong employer ownership and support fair and just workplace outcomes for employees.
📌 Give more assurance to workers that they can report workplace discrimination or harassment without fear of retaliation.
📌Support national objectives and permit genuine occupational needs to be considered in employment decisions.
📌 Preserve workplace harmony and maintain a non-litigious workplace culture, with mediation as the preferred approach to resolve disputes.
📌Ensure that discriminatory employers face appropriate enforcement action, and provide redress to individuals who have been discriminated against.
Some of the key recommendations by the Committee includes prohibiting workplace discrimination in respect of the following characteristics: (i) nationality, (ii) age, (iii) sex, marital status, pregnancy status, caregiving responsibilities, (iv) race, religion, language, (v) disability, mental health conditions, requiring employers to put in place proper grievance handling processes and call for appropriate redress for victims of workplace discrimination covered by the new legislation and appropriate enforcement action against errant employers.
The full list of recommendations by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness report can be found in this link:
https://go.gov.sg/wflreport
👉 https://str.sg/iiyR
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ministry-manpower-workplace-fairness-anti-discrimination-3672156
07/08/2023, 2:02 pm - +Timothy Low: Should prohibit employers from discriminating based on chronic health conditions too
07/08/2023, 2:03 pm - +Timothy Low: Many years back I was “advised” not to take up managerial position as they are “concerned” for my health condition
07/08/2023, 2:04 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
7. Auditors should also pick and interview staff within the companies anonymously - to determine whether discrimination have been carried out especially those suspicious cases such as mature workers, appraisal records (past versus present performance) - and all interview records keep anonymous - but allow auditors to make conclusion whether indeed discrimination have been carried out.
8. Auditors should also have accessed to records of staff that have been retrenched or force to resign - for an anonymous interview - to establish whether ex-staff are discriminated against - so that conclusion can be made whether the companies have indeed carried out workplace discriminatory practices.
I am very sure, many such cases can be uncovered.
07/08/2023, 2:10 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
9. The past 10 years record, will give a very good insight - whether systematic age discrimination against mature workers have been carried out by such companies.
07/08/2023, 2:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
07/08/2023, 2:19 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Eg. Interview by auditors with staff and ex-staff should be carried out outside workplace, supervisors and management should not be informed.
Staff pick for the interview should not be make known to the companies.
This will allow staff to present their cases or experiences honestly without fear and protect the staff from repercussion by the supervisor or the company.
07/08/2023, 2:20 pm - +Rama: Employers will still find loopholes to circumnavigate legislation
07/08/2023, 2:20 pm - +Rama: Yes
07/08/2023, 2:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Experience shows that when authorities are serious in carrying out inspection and check, management will conduct themselves appropriately and honestly.
Especially GLCs.
07/08/2023, 2:23 pm - +Rama: I am worried about the private sector!
07/08/2023, 2:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Private sectors I can't comment.
They are the mother of more patterns.
07/08/2023, 2:24 pm - +Rama: Yes!
07/08/2023, 2:24 pm - +KL: How they got the data ?
07/08/2023, 2:25 pm - +KL: Need the excuse 101 guide ?
07/08/2023, 2:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think people complain.
But majority are those that didn't complain and go on for many years.
And it has become bolder and more rampant. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:25 pm - +KL: Excuse 101 : reason xx Old ppl can’t work night shift la <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:26 pm - +KL: A lot of job adv need Korean speaking , Japanese speaking not sure forms of discrimination . ( a grey area ) <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:28 pm - +Smiley face: Start from 1...(返回起点)
07/08/2023, 2:29 pm - +Rama: Yup
07/08/2023, 2:29 pm - +Rama: Yes
07/08/2023, 2:29 pm - +Smiley face: Tipping point:
"If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his own language, that goes to his heart..."
- - Nelson Mandela
07/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +KL: Can not show all , wait karma you know like the “kung fu”sunflower manual. To learn this very not good
07/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +KL: I easy can say a excuse show it a lot .
07/08/2023, 2:31 pm - +Smiley face: Millions believe YOLO....
So what is karmic, this dynamic theory of "give & take & give & take"
07/08/2023, 2:31 pm - +KL: <Media omitted>
07/08/2023, 2:31 pm - +Smiley face: Job requirement
07/08/2023, 2:31 pm - +KL: It a grey area
07/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +Smiley face: Grey is the best!
Rite or wrong or wrong or rite...
07/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +KL: I saw this old staff last time work 17 years no issue , suddenly got English issue lol
07/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +KL: That company Don’t want pay retrenchment benefit say so la . So many action. A lot of staff was force to leave . It really not a good company <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:33 pm - +Smiley face: Grey, in the primary sense is BLACK+ WHITE....
07/08/2023, 2:33 pm - +Smiley face: Tell MOM
07/08/2023, 2:34 pm - +KL: First you need proof , they already preapare
07/08/2023, 2:34 pm - +KL: Most use phone ask the person to find a job . Saying blar blar
07/08/2023, 2:35 pm - +Smiley face: Quantity or Quality...
"Children go to school to learn, students go to school to mark attendance, workers go to work to ...?
07/08/2023, 2:35 pm - +KL: The old ppl cried on the phone we staff see liao also know what happen . That Ireland boss everyday go home on time one. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:36 pm - +Smiley face: This message was deleted
07/08/2023, 2:36 pm - +Smiley face: The mountains of resignation aka retrenchment.... quantity is the proof!
Try changing domestic helps every 90 days....try it...
07/08/2023, 2:37 pm - +KL: MOM do their work ? <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:37 pm - +KL: MOM should be retrench first.
07/08/2023, 2:37 pm - +Smiley face: Call the Ireland HQ and tell the highest boss that the local boss always has Irish whiskey after 5pm....
07/08/2023, 2:38 pm - +KL: The next highest drink with him leh
07/08/2023, 2:39 pm - +Smiley face: If MOM is gone then what is next?
MUM? Ministry under maintained?
07/08/2023, 2:39 pm - +KL: I like ur ideas
07/08/2023, 2:40 pm - +KL: They need a ministry of checker
07/08/2023, 2:40 pm - +Smiley face: When things go sideways....you need to think of all highways!
07/08/2023, 2:42 pm - +KL: MOM work hard or not I not sure . Frankly some of the old staffs really work hard.
07/08/2023, 2:42 pm - +Smiley face: Catch this ball coming .....
07/08/2023, 2:43 pm - +KL: Retrench without payment is not very nice to do.
use 无中生有，莫须有 to ask ppl self resign and so they can save retrenchment benefit not nice la <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 2:43 pm - +Smiley face: What is adulthood and how about childhood and lastly elder hood?
Almost alike, each has its fancy and purity, both holdings are full of games, role-play and tackling problems. For elderhood, perhaps it is a combination of zen and zoom out effects to the last breather; is it, perhaps the beginning of wisdom in the making?...
07/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Smiley face: the older the ginger is, the spicer the ginger taste...(姜越老，姜越辣)
07/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +KL: 辣到哭 is it ？
07/08/2023, 2:54 pm - +Smiley face: "A precious sword cannot be overly sharpened or this sword will be blunt..." (“宝剑不可磨得太锋利，不然这把剑就会钝……”)
Extreme measures will not yield good results!
Please think it over and deeper, if you apply to society, economy, educating, and daily lives; you will see it clearly; when to sharpen it and when to rest it!
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07/08/2023, 2:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. In private sectors, it varies very widely how the bosses and companies treat their staff.
2. I have come across bosses that treat their staff like the family members.
Ensure the staff can officially retire peacefully, ensure their families are well and invite their staff and family members to annual events.
3. I also have come across some bosses and companies that treat staff like dirt, playing office politics, making the workplace toxic - see the very ugly side of human nature. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 3:02 pm - +Smiley face: Shared prosperity, open and inclusive...?
07/08/2023, 3:08 pm - +KL: I agree , some company every time do the same till covid 2021, they miss calculated . As no foreigner EP can be hire and they already issue some notice. To old hirer . Intially some old staff already issue verbal self resign . So they are to find internal transfer themself or outside . But Suddenly 2 younger staff resign and another 2 younger staff request to transfer out cos of good job market so the boss keep quiet , nothing happen before . The another team also face same issue suddenly approach the 2 old staff if they looking for job . Intially they was given cold shoulder . lucky the the few old staff found a better job and together with the 4 live happily after . Of course the few old staff should have got ard a 7-12 month retrenchment benefit did not get it sia . <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 3:09 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If bosses understand that staff whether young or old are there to help them to be profitable, contribute to the company, then bosses should show gratitude and take care of the staff whether old or young - and not discard them when they grow old.
This will win the respect and loyalty of the staff.
If bosses treat staff well, staff will work hard for the bosses.
This is human nature.
Boss and staff relationship should not be a transaction but a relation.
07/08/2023, 3:13 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/02/taylor-swift-gave-big-bonuses-to-eras-tour-workers-here-are-other-times-shes-been-generous-with-her-earnings/
07/08/2023, 3:22 pm - +Smiley face: "People, People and People...not that company!"
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People and company, one is the variable and the other is fixed.
People is finite and company is infinite.
People come and people go; the company always stays?
People doing things and not the company doings?
Discrimination and or favoritism is a people to people behaviors and actions? Do culture and beliefs play part of these unpleasantness and all the time, it exists and why people do not bothered too much until things gone viral? Why?
Childhood into adulthood and onto elderhood...
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07/08/2023, 3:23 pm - +Smiley face: It is all about the "WILL" and Character of a person!
07/08/2023, 3:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hence this has become my philosophy as a supervisor and manager.
1. My staff is my family members and I ensure I take care of their well beings, their benefits, coach them and counsel them - and ensure they contribute and do their best for the work.
2. I build relationship, and I don't view the boss-staff relationship as transactional.
3. In so doing, staff will be motivated, give off their best in their work and stay loyal to the company.
4. I don't discard them when they grow old, I will ensure they go for skill training to stay relevant, competent and be a responsible staff.
5. When their performance slip, I will find out the root cause, provide coaching and counseling until they lift themselves up and perform at a competent level.
I don't kick them out or rate them poorly - always emphasizing how they can improve and perform at a competent level.
6. This is my philosophy as a supervisor and a manger - build relation not transaction with my staff.
7. If this can be done, there will be no cases or issues of workplace discrimination.
07/08/2023, 3:29 pm - +Rama: So did evergreen in Taiwan
07/08/2023, 3:30 pm - +Rama: Very rare caring employer
07/08/2023, 3:30 pm - +KL: Only this dare to report right , u whack the worker u dare to self-report on news I will give u not one but 2 thumb up 👍🏻👍🏻lol <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 3:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
8. In so doing, I have build a compact high performing team.
9. They are not all star performers.
But a mix of scholar, high competent graduates and middle level graduates.
But when put together as a team - a high performing team - as the sum of the individuals are greater than the strength of self-centred star individual.
07/08/2023, 3:31 pm - +Smiley face: five years of salary as a bonus....
Andrew!
07/08/2023, 3:31 pm - +Rama: Yes!
07/08/2023, 3:32 pm - +Smiley face: You treat others very well, others will reciprocate to you...
Or you count and count and keep counting till the last day due!
07/08/2023, 3:33 pm - +Rama: Suck and suck the employee blood!
07/08/2023, 3:34 pm - +Smiley face: Highly successful folks come with high ego....
Folks that faced failure over and over all their life, their ego is the lowest of all....
So how?
07/08/2023, 3:35 pm - +Smiley face: Things work in an evolving manner!
You suck , suck and suck....on day comes, you are the sucker!
07/08/2023, 3:36 pm - +Rama: I wish these employers the worst!
07/08/2023, 3:37 pm - +Smiley face: These are YOLO folks.... cannot shift their bedrock of beliefs...
07/08/2023, 3:37 pm - +Smiley face: Make use off or use meaningful?
07/08/2023, 3:53 pm - +Rama: Make use off!
07/08/2023, 3:54 pm - +Smiley face: Sell your skills in exchange for Money....what so wrong?
07/08/2023, 3:55 pm - +Rama: One sided affair!
07/08/2023, 3:56 pm - +Smiley face: What is money and what is discriminating?
07/08/2023, 3:57 pm - +Rama: Reasonable yes!
07/08/2023, 3:58 pm - +Smiley face: What is reasonable? The degree of reasonableness? How to quantify?
What are quantifiable acts of discrimination?
07/08/2023, 3:58 pm - +Rama: That needs to be addressed fairly!
07/08/2023, 3:58 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
When your skill become obsolete, the staff will be discarded.
This is transactional.
But when you consistently counsel, coach, train your staff to ensure his/her skills become relevant - this is building relations.
Because you treat them like family members - ensure they have the means to survive and thrive.
I am sure, the 2nd option will build a high performing team compare to the first - that is purely transactional and toxic.
I build humans not machine.
07/08/2023, 3:59 pm - +Rama: Yes
07/08/2023, 4:01 pm - +Smiley face: A tough order... deeper thoughts...
What the American version of discrimination may not necessarily be applicable to our SG !
Culture, beliefs and the Asian mindsets?
Say all you want, a banana is yellow in color and when you peel it, it's pale yellow in flesh!
07/08/2023, 4:01 pm - +Rama: Agree
07/08/2023, 4:01 pm - +Smiley face: Pragmatic... realistic world!
07/08/2023, 4:02 pm - +Rama: But a lot of injustice!
07/08/2023, 4:02 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Agree Hokkien Peng hahahaha
07/08/2023, 4:02 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Connected during NS days
07/08/2023, 4:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: If you have sane accent even better <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 4:03 pm - +Smiley face: This message was deleted
07/08/2023, 4:04 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. New generation exposed to it too
07/08/2023, 4:04 pm - +Smiley face: KNS....kanna sin (like god)
07/08/2023, 4:04 pm - +Smiley face: Our 4K...
Kiasu, Kiasi, Kiaboh and lastly, KNS!
07/08/2023, 4:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I heard School girls use it. It was shocking. To be bad takes one day to be good 3 years.. Hokkien saying
07/08/2023, 4:05 pm - +Smiley face: Legend flows...
07/08/2023, 4:05 pm - +Rama: 😳😄🤷♂️👍👌
07/08/2023, 4:05 pm - +Smiley face: We all laughed...lol..
Hi Andrew!
07/08/2023, 4:06 pm - +Rama: So did I!
07/08/2023, 4:06 pm - +Smiley face: Have fun....REACH permits?
07/08/2023, 4:07 pm - +Rama: Yup!
07/08/2023, 4:09 pm - +Smiley face: Sometimes having moments of fun....who knows, we arrive at the solution of the problem... discrimination..
And sometimes, using the SOFT POWER to BREAK the HARDCORE belief of discrimination, nationwide not just the workplaces! Against the disabled people, the weaker people and the simple people!
Use FUN and SOFT tactics to break the NUTS!
07/08/2023, 4:10 pm - +Rama: Don't crack in the process!
07/08/2023, 4:11 pm - +Smiley face: Crack the bad habits!
07/08/2023, 4:11 pm - +Smiley face: Who's leading?
Using soft (push) and hard (pull) power to achieve an equilibrium with the world. Today the struggle for global power lies in Asia and ASEAN, Africa and Latin America. These three continents are the current affairs of global attentions for power and for the influence...
07/08/2023, 4:13 pm - +Smiley face: "The coming challenges of the human leadership and the leading of the AIs will profoundly impact the billions of ordinary folks on the novo ways of living, changes in the belief systems and the true essence of what life is all about in this planet..."
- - anonymity
More discreet discrimination will surface...
07/08/2023, 4:15 pm - +Rama: Yes!
07/08/2023, 4:15 pm - +Smiley face: Binary thinkers consider and prefer two mutually exclusive possibilities, such as black or white, right or wrong, and male or female. Nonbinary thinkers are aware of the nondistinct areas in between. Some nonbinary thinkers are aware that nothing is a true straight line with two endpoints and a middle....
07/08/2023, 4:16 pm - +Smiley face: So what is a molecule and an atom?
Binary?
07/08/2023, 4:18 pm - +Smiley face: Most mathematicians believe that the RIEMANN hypothesis is indeed true. Calculations so far have not yielded any misbehaving zeros that do not lie in the critical line. However, there are infinitely many of these zeros to check, and so a computer calculation will not verify all that much...the impossible?
07/08/2023, 4:19 pm - +Smiley face: One truth is...do not overthink that 100% too much and be too engrossed...
07/08/2023, 4:28 pm - +Smiley face: Reimagining in Lee Kuan Yew's illustrious era..."you named a few and straightened the rest to be in-line or off the line it goes and you nab these offline; once and for all ?"
There is hidden wisdom in these...!
07/08/2023, 4:55 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
On Friday 4 August, the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness released their final report on 22 recommendations for the Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL) to strengthen workplace fairness. WFL will strengthen protections against discrimination and ensure that employees and jobseekers have fair access to job opportunities.
Minister for Manpower, Dr Tan See Leng had earlier said that “The Workplace Fairness legislation marks a significant step in Singapore employment law, and it will be scoped to achieve three wins: preserve harmonious workplaces, better protect workers, and support business growth in Singapore." These Government will work closely with Tripartite Partners to implement the recommendations in 2024.
*💬 What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?*
The recommendations of the Committee are guided by the following principles:
📌Introduce workplace fairness legislation to complement the Tripartite Guidelines on Fair
Employment Practices (TGFEP) and not replace it. The TGFEP remain an important part of our workplace fairness framework that set out the positive principles
of fairness for employers.
📌Scope legislation appropriately to foster strong employer ownership and support fair and just workplace outcomes for employees.
📌 Give more assurance to workers that they can report workplace discrimination or harassment without fear of retaliation.
📌Support national objectives and permit genuine occupational needs to be considered in employment decisions.
📌 Preserve workplace harmony and maintain a non-litigious workplace culture, with mediation as the preferred approach to resolve disputes.
📌Ensure that discriminatory employers face appropriate enforcement action, and provide redress to individuals who have been discriminated against.
Some of the key recommendations by the Committee includes prohibiting workplace discrimination in respect of the following characteristics: (i) nationality, (ii) age, (iii) sex, marital status, pregnancy status, caregiving responsibilities, (iv) race, religion, language, (v) disability, mental health conditions, requiring employers to put in place proper grievance handling processes and call for appropriate redress for victims of workplace discrimination covered by the new legislation and appropriate enforcement action against errant employers.
The full list of recommendations by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness report can be found in this link:
https://go.gov.sg/wflreport
👉 https://str.sg/iiyR
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ministry-manpower-workplace-fairness-anti-discrimination-3672156
07/08/2023, 5:56 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
We want to *HEAR MORE* from you on today’s topic!
*💬 What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?*
Megan 😊
07/08/2023, 5:57 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Now people know why there is a quiet but groundswell swing to WP - even though there is nothing much or great done by WP and the oppositions?
It is because there are many people who are treated unjustly, suffer but keep quiet about it. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 6:00 pm - +Rama: Equivalent to Lone wolf who strike on issue close their ideology
07/08/2023, 6:01 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
On Friday 4 August, the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness released their final report on 22 recommendations for the Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL) to strengthen workplace fairness. WFL will strengthen protections against discrimination and ensure that employees and jobseekers have fair access to job opportunities.
Minister for Manpower, Dr Tan See Leng had earlier said that “The Workplace Fairness legislation marks a significant step in Singapore employment law, and it will be scoped to achieve three wins: preserve harmonious workplaces, better protect workers, and support business growth in Singapore." These Government will work closely with Tripartite Partners to implement the recommendations in 2024.
*💬 What are your thoughts on the proposed law against workplace discrimination? How can employers better support workplace fairness and ensure fair access to job opportunities?*
The recommendations of the Committee are guided by the following principles:
📌Introduce workplace fairness legislation to complement the Tripartite Guidelines on Fair
Employment Practices (TGFEP) and not replace it. The TGFEP remain an important part of our workplace fairness framework that set out the positive principles
of fairness for employers.
📌Scope legislation appropriately to foster strong employer ownership and support fair and just workplace outcomes for employees.
📌 Give more assurance to workers that they can report workplace discrimination or harassment without fear of retaliation.
📌Support national objectives and permit genuine occupational needs to be considered in employment decisions.
📌 Preserve workplace harmony and maintain a non-litigious workplace culture, with mediation as the preferred approach to resolve disputes.
📌Ensure that discriminatory employers face appropriate enforcement action, and provide redress to individuals who have been discriminated against.
Some of the key recommendations by the Committee includes prohibiting workplace discrimination in respect of the following characteristics: (i) nationality, (ii) age, (iii) sex, marital status, pregnancy status, caregiving responsibilities, (iv) race, religion, language, (v) disability, mental health conditions, requiring employers to put in place proper grievance handling processes and call for appropriate redress for victims of workplace discrimination covered by the new legislation and appropriate enforcement action against errant employers.
The full list of recommendations by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness report can be found in this link:
https://go.gov.sg/wflreport
👉 https://str.sg/iiyR
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ministry-manpower-workplace-fairness-anti-discrimination-3672156
07/08/2023, 6:14 pm - +~L: Should a request to WFH be protected against discrimination?
07/08/2023, 6:17 pm - +Rama: Worth considering as Australia is talking about making it permanent!
07/08/2023, 6:40 pm - +Smiley face: 3 days in the office and 2 days WFH...
07/08/2023, 6:40 pm - +Rama: Down under, totally wfh!
07/08/2023, 6:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Totally WFH is a problem to business.
No personal communication, discussion and personal touch.
Hybrid WFH and office make more sense.
07/08/2023, 6:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://dollarsandsense.sg/business/why-full-remote-working-for-office-workers-doesnt-look-like-its-here-to-stay-for-now/
Why Full Remote Working For Office Workers Doesn’t Look Like It’s Here To Stay.
07/08/2023, 6:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Return-to-office mandates rise as worker productivity drops https://www.computerworld.com/article/3704009/return-to-office-mandates-rise-as-worker-productivity-drops.html
Return-to-office mandates rise as worker productivity drops
Bosses are imposing more strict in-office mandates as new data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics showed productivity has slumped slightly since the end of the COVID-19 pandemic.
07/08/2023, 6:42 pm - +Rama: Let's see what comes up from down under!
07/08/2023, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
07/08/2023, 6:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In a project especially those that have very tight deadlines, all stakeholders must be in office to coordinate solutions and resolve issues.
No way people WFH can achieve this.
Hybrid WFH and office makes more sense - when people need quiet time to write report, or coin strategic directions or do budget etc that requires less disruption - then WFH make sense.
But when come to system integration, project coordination, or times when need to work across division etc - it is more productive to be all in office.
Zoom meeting don't work and don't make sense.
07/08/2023, 6:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/technology/2023/08/05/tech-firm-zoom-tells-its-staff-to-return-to-office/
Tech firm Zoom tells its staff to return to office.
Video communications company brings full time working from home to an end.
07/08/2023, 6:49 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Even zoom tell staff to come back to office - when it actively market work from home using zoom.
07/08/2023, 6:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Tan See Leng is a good Minister - he see the underlying problem that is festering quietly and address it head on.
07/08/2023, 6:55 pm - +Rama: Hopefully, cream of the crop
07/08/2023, 6:57 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hopefully he can nip the problem in the bud once and for all.
This problem has go on quietly for decades overtly and covertly. And opposition votes swell correspondingly.
Now this Minister come out with head on solutions to tackle it.
Hope it works. <This message was edited>
07/08/2023, 6:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
People won't vote against someone that feed them.
Unless they suffer.
07/08/2023, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
07/08/2023, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
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