REACH 483 - What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?

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 03 Aug 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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03/08/2023, 9:33 am - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Wednesday (Aug 2) that his government has always dealt with corruption and allegations of improper conduct thoroughly, transparently and by applying the full force of the law and pledged that this will continue when Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong succeeds him.

PM Lee was speaking in parliament about the recent controversies that have captured the public’s attention namely the arrest of Transport Minister S Iswaran by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), the resignations of Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin and Member of Parliament (MP) Cheng Li Hui over an extramarital affair, and allegations over the rental of properties at Ridout Road by Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam and Foreign Affairs Minister Vivian Balakrishnan.

💬 *What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?*

PM Lee said that the two CPIB investigations and the response to the affair between former Speaker of Parliament Mr Tan Chuan Jin and former Member of Parliament Ms Cheng Li Hui show two aspects of how this government works. 

1️⃣ When there is a suspicion or allegation of wrongdoing in the discharge of official duties, especially possible corruption, there is zero tolerance 

2️⃣When people slip in their personal lives, the facts of each case will be looked at carefully and the matter will be dealt with as humanely and sensitively as possible, according to the principles that have been established.

PM Lee noted that there have been corruption cases involving political office holders in the past, and that those cases were all handled by then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew "thoroughly, transparently, and applying the full force of the law”. He added "That is still how the PAP government deals with such cases," and "It has not changed under my charge; and it won’t under my successor either.

PM Lee also assured Singaporeans that his Government will protect the integrity of Singapore's system of government. He added that trust is crucial for a democracy to work well, and that the founding generation built up Singapore and entrusted it to the current generation in good shape. So, it is incumbent on this generation of leaders to protect and uphold this system, to keep it incorruptible and clean, and maintain high standards of propriety.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/pm-lee-pap-government-stance-corruption-cases-3671741

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03/08/2023, 9:40 am - +Frankie Wee: Pap alway stay on power by CIPB any body of govt if they break law or corruption. Even in pap lose vote GE still under control by PAP?

03/08/2023, 9:42 am - +Rama: I would think so

03/08/2023, 9:42 am - +Rama: Ownself check ownself cannot go on!

03/08/2023, 9:45 am - +Ah Heng: wait wait people

03/08/2023, 9:45 am - +Ah Heng: let's not try to live in a fairy tale world

03/08/2023, 9:45 am - +Rama: Are we not!?

03/08/2023, 9:45 am - +Ah Heng: if singapore govt have to be perfect can i ask can each and every household be perfect first

03/08/2023, 9:46 am - +Ah Heng: even yourself are we dam perfect

03/08/2023, 9:46 am - +Ah Heng: if not then better shut the trap and be thankful that we have one not so perfect but much better govt comapre to us / eu  and some countries nearby

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Ah Heng: or does everyone prefer to have a congressional govt like the US

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Ah Heng: or let's bring it closer to the taiwan

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Ah Heng: Speak is easy but when u sit on that chair do you think one an do better than then ?

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Ah Heng: yes is not right doing self check

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Smiley face: True

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Ah Heng: but have WE NOT TAUGHT OUR CHILDREN TO SELF CHECK ALSO before teacher check!

03/08/2023, 9:47 am - +Smiley face: True

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Ah Heng: what the shit we talking about here

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Smiley face: So true...

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Ah Heng: is like we are eating our own vomit

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Ah Heng: look again i am not standing side

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Ah Heng: but the comments here seriously is disgusting sometimes

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Ah Heng: some just want the best of the 2 sides

03/08/2023, 9:48 am - +Smiley face: Talking is one of the cheapest known trades in the world...

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Ah Heng: some states till they can perform better than the govt if yes

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Rama: Sò said our PM

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Ah Heng: please write to PM lee and t=let him knwo u will take over him

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Rama: 😄

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Ah Heng: solve the problems he face on country level

03/08/2023, 9:49 am - +Ah Heng: on the softer side -> every where every thing have the pros and cons

03/08/2023, 9:50 am - +Ah Heng: that is the bloody issue with our society now ...

03/08/2023, 9:50 am - +Ah Heng: we had been so heavy influence that a bit of thing not happy is govt fault

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: despite knowing is our society / global influence still govt fault

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Frankie Wee: Fact I am poor living standard no different from them rich with integrity.

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: not enuff children

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: govt fault cos living cost too high

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +KL: Maybe ask u why not enough children ?

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: hellow why not look at one self living expense first

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: den some say no house

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: then some say no lah cannot give birth ...

03/08/2023, 9:51 am - +Ah Heng: govt no support ivf

03/08/2023, 9:52 am - +Frankie Wee: They are alway right and right to live because of integrity

03/08/2023, 9:52 am - +Ah Heng: so please if one is so angel please please write to om and the govt of singapore telling them u take over them please

03/08/2023, 9:52 am - +Ah Heng: no need election

03/08/2023, 9:52 am - +Ah Heng: cos election also kenna kpkb

03/08/2023, 9:53 am - +Ah Heng: seriously we really are a bunch of nothing but complains-ion people

03/08/2023, 9:53 am - +Ah Heng: serve us right for being taking over by ft from all over and JB!

03/08/2023, 9:53 am - +Frankie Wee: I am not sure and hard to read if pap lose GE vote and believe psp still under control

03/08/2023, 9:54 am - +Ah Heng: or maybe we no longer have a govt like the old guards who by and by wake the society up with hard truth

03/08/2023, 9:54 am - +Ah Heng: or do we just want to escape from the hard truth and do the blaming game

03/08/2023, 9:56 am - +Ah Heng: and maybe reach can feedback to the top also is hightime the cc and rc do all the surface shows and activities

03/08/2023, 9:56 am - +Ah Heng: the budget these rc and cc gets can be put to better use

03/08/2023, 9:56 am - +Ah Heng: like road shows on social education stuff

03/08/2023, 9:56 am - +Ah Heng: not what go this tour that tour

03/08/2023, 9:56 am - +Ah Heng: hello singapore ppl is not poor

03/08/2023, 9:57 am - +KL: I think got la , just that lucky u not one of them :(

03/08/2023, 9:57 am - +KL: Those grab delivery guys etc .

03/08/2023, 9:57 am - +Ah Heng: can do more meaning full to educate the people so more are aware of govt policy , what is total defence , cohesiveness , etc

03/08/2023, 9:58 am - +Ah Heng: that will help to bring own our social problem , concerns , and a better society

03/08/2023, 9:58 am - +Ah Heng: grab delivery poor

03/08/2023, 9:58 am - +Ah Heng: u joking me

03/08/2023, 9:58 am - +Ah Heng: you never see those people posting how good they earning

03/08/2023, 9:58 am - +Ah Heng: like the grab drivers

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +KL: Those are working 16 hours non stop

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +Ah Heng: but soon we will know how well paid they are with cpf kicking in thanks for contribution to the nation

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +Frankie Wee: Grab driver self commission earn living

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +Ah Heng: and you think those in office 8 hours easy life also

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +KL: The biggest winner is grab platform

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +Ah Heng: each job have their own pain ponts just that one do not see nor feel it

03/08/2023, 9:59 am - +Ah Heng: even as boss you have your own concern and worries

03/08/2023, 10:00 am - +KL: Than u should not say sg no poor ppl

03/08/2023, 10:00 am - +KL: You should walk around more often , I knew a few place have homeless ppl yea

03/08/2023, 10:04 am - +Ah Heng: ok is no no poor people is a very very small percentage of poo people

03/08/2023, 10:04 am - +Ah Heng: poor i mean

03/08/2023, 10:04 am - +Ah Heng: but what i am saying is rc and cc shoudl just stop all these really meaningless and suface tours

03/08/2023, 10:05 am - +Ah Heng: really their purpose is to utilise the budget

03/08/2023, 10:05 am - +Ah Heng: if that is the case do something more useful for the society

03/08/2023, 10:05 am - +KL: Frankly hor , I think the tour not cheap leh

03/08/2023, 10:05 am - +Ah Heng: is subsidised lah

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Rama: Agree

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: that sum of money if can use for more socially enrich knowledge and info session will it be not useful

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: all these tours is like just to make the resident happy for a while and to show people we are doing something

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +KL: Is it ? Never go on these RC tour , cos I go Melaka at most half price they quote . I still think they earn sia

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: is not earn is subsidise

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: if rc earn then got to call cpib liao

03/08/2023, 10:06 am - +Ah Heng: then people will say ownself check ownself again

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +KL: No la they earn liao will put to next event I think la

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +Ah Heng: like any company dept you ask for budget make sure u used the budget

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +Ah Heng: no they will not earn

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +Ah Heng: this is public money

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +Ah Heng: is not a business

03/08/2023, 10:07 am - +Ah Heng: else will be rc pte ltd hahahahaha

03/08/2023, 10:08 am - +KL: Unless someone can advise not sure how they work .

03/08/2023, 10:08 am - +KL: I tots is seed fund .

03/08/2023, 10:10 am - +Rama: Subsidies for those on public welfare and low income should be increased (transport, medical, utilities and food)

03/08/2023, 10:10 am - +Frankie Wee: GST upward

03/08/2023, 10:11 am - +Rama: And other taxes.

03/08/2023, 10:12 am - +Ah Heng: anyway everyone just remember

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Ah Heng: we are not living in a perfect world

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Ah Heng: our govt is inperfect

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Ah Heng: or families too are not 100% perfect neither is everyday a happy ever after case at home

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Ah Heng: so be grateful and be cohesive

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Rama: Luxury tax still being studied

03/08/2023, 10:13 am - +Ah Heng: if no one is bloody aware and dare to admit

03/08/2023, 10:14 am - +Ah Heng: more and more trash talents are comdemming we the real singaporeans

03/08/2023, 10:14 am - +Ah Heng: before any change to happen we the people must be as one

03/08/2023, 10:14 am - +Rama: Bring back estate and stamp duty

03/08/2023, 10:14 am - +Ah Heng: see the situation now enemy of singapore very happen

03/08/2023, 10:14 am - +Ah Heng: easier to discord the people

03/08/2023, 10:15 am - +Ah Heng: plant evils tots

03/08/2023, 10:15 am - +Ah Heng: so please dun also kpkb. complain, say this and that no good

03/08/2023, 10:18 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore has lose $1.3billions scam in 2022 ppl who do not have self integrity they are fell victim so much pain. System don’t seek to protection and law enforcement.

03/08/2023, 10:19 am - +KL: did u report to scam shield ? I report very often . cos report one number is one number and now days no longer have +65 infront <This message was edited>

03/08/2023, 10:20 am - +KL: Even if true, how do we going to resolve it ?

03/08/2023, 10:20 am - +Frankie Wee: What about  the system is there a way to protection in future?

03/08/2023, 10:21 am - +KL: If u activate it , it will protect the user from most numbers and and scam not 100%. I think it will ask scam shield to read thought ur "phone call"and sms. currently only IOS not android I think. <This message was edited>

03/08/2023, 10:21 am - +Frankie Wee: I believe govt will use AI cryber security but our human not very prefect self integrity

03/08/2023, 10:22 am - +Rama: I use and believe in scamshield

03/08/2023, 10:22 am - +Frankie Wee: OI or CID too tired 24/7 over victim blaming scam

03/08/2023, 10:25 am - +KL: u belive no use, u need to report all the number u saw is scam then got use

03/08/2023, 10:25 am - +Rama: Report as well as use.

03/08/2023, 10:26 am - +KL: :) that the only way to protect sg old folk

03/08/2023, 10:26 am - +Rama: May not be enough

03/08/2023, 10:27 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/tech/how-to-spot-a-phishing-scam-even-one-crafted-by-ai

03/08/2023, 10:55 am - +~L: What is the topic today? 🤔

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +Ken: Here?

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +Ah Heng: rime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Wednesday (Aug 2) that his government has always dealt with corruption and allegations of improper conduct thoroughly, transparently and by applying the full force of the law and pledged that this will continue when Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong succeeds him.

PM Lee was speaking in parliament about the recent controversies that have captured the public’s attention namely the arrest of Transport Minister S Iswaran by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), the resignations of Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin and Member of Parliament (MP) Cheng Li Hui over an extramarital affair, and allegations over the rental of properties at Ridout Road by Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam and …

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +~L: Thanks - I was having trouble following the thread!

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +Ken: PM very busy this few days lol

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +Ah Heng: PM not busy i worry

03/08/2023, 10:59 am - +Ken: Every session is a battle of the wits lol

03/08/2023, 11:00 am - +Ah Heng: but these period he busy with the wrong things ..... waste his time and effort

03/08/2023, 11:00 am - +Ken: The rest of the MP just seat there and see show 🤣

03/08/2023, 11:00 am - +Ken: Still top have to answer on behalf of the whole PAP sadly..

03/08/2023, 11:00 am - +Ah Heng: maybe those MP also cleaning up their act hahahahahha who knows

03/08/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: actually is globally not only our govt

03/08/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: reason the new generation have lack of real talents to run a govt ...

03/08/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: u see the uk parliment like fish market or farm of sheeps

03/08/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: ayeee ayeeeee

03/08/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: ooooooooo boooooo hahahahaha

03/08/2023, 11:02 am - +Ah Heng: is like mehhh mehh mehhh , cluck cluck cluck

03/08/2023, 11:02 am - +Ah Heng: den the speaker of the house order order ... mcchiken or cheese burger ?

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03/08/2023, 11:03 am - +Ah Heng: ok main topic -> *What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?*

03/08/2023, 11:03 am - +Ah Heng: as long as in public service -> the members of the service better know corruption cannot be condone and must be dealt with seriously

03/08/2023, 11:04 am - +Ah Heng: this is in theory ...

03/08/2023, 11:04 am - +Ah Heng: but in practical does not mean other country cn do it espically the west we follow

03/08/2023, 11:04 am - +Ah Heng: dun forget we are still asian , we have our values that were brought up upon on

03/08/2023, 11:05 am - +Ah Heng: but as much as we want to be clean and perfect we live in an unperfect world

03/08/2023, 11:05 am - +Ah Heng: thus brought up by me we all have mistake and are imperfect so can we expect others to be 100% or 101% perfect ?

03/08/2023, 11:06 am - +~L: but some others expect to be paid salaries far in excess of most of us as well....

03/08/2023, 11:06 am - +Ah Heng: least we have a near good and clean govt for 55 or 58 years this is something we singaporeans should be proud of

03/08/2023, 11:06 am - +~L: Agreed - and we need to maintain that.

03/08/2023, 11:06 am - +Ah Heng: this is because talents / humans goes to where is being paid more -> do we not want also

03/08/2023, 11:06 am - +~L: And these are relatively minor infringements

03/08/2023, 11:07 am - +Ah Heng: if paid so little do you thing talents will be attracted to service

03/08/2023, 11:07 am - +~L: Yes we do want the talent, and the ethics :)

03/08/2023, 11:07 am - +Ah Heng: is like those working give u market rate and stand benefits will you work

03/08/2023, 11:07 am - +Ah Heng: u rather lay flat

03/08/2023, 11:07 am - +Ah Heng: BUT question is are the so call talents now worth that value! NOTE NOT REFERING TO GOVT PPL here but on general

03/08/2023, 11:08 am - +Ah Heng: dun forget who are the real talents that is making a organization running

03/08/2023, 11:08 am - +~L: Yes, agreed. Crazy pay situation in the world is not just about Gov.

03/08/2023, 11:08 am - +Ah Heng: is not your investors, is not the ceo is not the managers

03/08/2023, 11:08 am - +Ah Heng: is the general workers from back office to the sales

03/08/2023, 11:08 am - +Ah Heng: to feed the ego of the company and her board of directors

03/08/2023, 11:09 am - +~L: It's the investment companies and pension funds who control the financial strings. Gov seems powerless to act.

03/08/2023, 11:09 am - +Ah Heng: is a very vicious cycle

03/08/2023, 11:16 am - +Joseph Yap: 💬 What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?

Although it may be challenging to enforce, the safeguards against corruption may also take into consideration of non-monetary form of rewards where those with power of influence favouring relatives in the same organisations both work in.

03/08/2023, 11:17 am - +Smiley face: 3 August, 2023

"It all Starts with Transparency?"

"It is all about people to people, people to organisation/nation, people to the establishments and the rest of tangibles and intangibles,...prior or recent experiences and outcomes can have a psychological mindset of trusting or no trust at all!"

- - anonymity

What is trust?

A strong belief in one attribute that will  bring about a high level of confidence and good outcomes.

How trust begins?

No trust can be earned or established without an absolute transparency in information, perception and rational beliefs.    

    - - in progress - -

"Beliefs, emotions and sentients are three synthesis of trusting or distrusting?"

- - anonymity

03/08/2023, 11:19 am - +Smiley face: Human just want success! From this moment of happiness or more than satisfaction, confidence is built and so is trust on a particular brand or a group of brands inside the human brains (primary or secondary consideration sets) with the primary set being either recency effects or embedded.

Belief is half way to trust?

If your believing that a brand or a product more than satisfied your needs and wants, you will likely buy and continue to trust the brand, this is known as a repetitive behavior (buying into it).

If your emotions tell you to stay away from something or a brand, it will likely do so with no second thoughts! Why so? It is because the past experience dictates the actual moment and thus the momentum of decision making to do otherwise than to buy it!

If your feelings (sentients) of a person or a brand are of no mental connections or relatively unknown, it will be harder to accept/ adapt at a blink of an eye to buy a new brand or to accept this person's narratives!

So the human cognitive skills and processing are meticulously complex with many wirings waiting to connect into channels of the thought process in deriving a decision whether it is a simple one or a highly mind boggling decision of life or death...

03/08/2023, 11:19 am - +Smiley face: How can we soothe the brain?

One way is to start getting the conditioning program on a right path! Any out of the path will mean a correction of behavior and thus a new effort will have to be introduced to straighten the intended path.

The programming of the human minds is such a diverse and deviating ecosystem to amend for any intentional. If the proposer wishes to challenge these complex and changing mindsets, it needs to carefully lay out a detailed plan of implantations, interventions and corrections.

Sights and Sounds?

Two keys power drivers of trust is to see and to hear or to listen!

Seeing and listening are believers of all information gathering whether is a fact or a total or partial fake! It is that simple and ignorantly easy to first distort and second to divide a human opinions and views of any given tangible or intangible! It is morally wrong to tweat fake information and nowadays with the abundant of digit platforms of news and videos that are beyond control thus addon to the information war on the in-betweens versus fakes versus facts!...

03/08/2023, 11:21 am - +Ah Heng: one way to stop corruption or public concept of favoritism or attraction of benefits -> all govt and civil servants MUST NOT BE SHARE HOLDER or be in the board of directors of any public listed firms

03/08/2023, 11:27 am - +Smiley face: "There is no greater misfortune than greed."

- - Lau Tze

03/08/2023, 11:28 am - +Smiley face: Declaration of assets in strict confidence and codes of conduct?

03/08/2023, 11:30 am - +Smiley face: The Minister will have confidential data for their ministry, key personnel and dept heads.

The PM will have confidential data of all ministers and MPs.

03/08/2023, 11:31 am - +Smiley face: CPIB?

03/08/2023, 11:34 am - +Frankie Wee: CPIB can hold independent without pap?

03/08/2023, 11:40 am - +Ah Heng: i think there is a general rule for public service staff no moonligting also that was in the past not sure if still hold

03/08/2023, 11:43 am - +Ah Heng: aiyo dun think cpib no one to answer to no one ... hahhahaaha

03/08/2023, 11:43 am - +Smiley face: In the private sector especially MNCs, there are Codes of Conduct to guardrail against many scenarios. For example, extramarital issues, unless otherwise there are conflict of interests or causing monetary losses or corruption practices both internally and externally.

All things constant, the performance of the executives or staff matters most...

The boss or HR or HOD will "observe from a distance" this affairs unless it goes out of hand and becomes a known embarrassment, big gossip or families coming out to complain.

It's like a "private business" and mostly not an "office business" to intervene unless off the course, things go out of control!

Are these truths out there?

03/08/2023, 11:43 am - +Ah Heng: no watch hk drama ...

03/08/2023, 11:47 am - +Ah Heng: ICAC .. they also have people to report to or observed them

03/08/2023, 11:47 am - +Ah Heng: same for cia fbi ...

03/08/2023, 11:48 am - +Ah Heng: but that is not to say dept like ICAC will be in cahoots with govt .. it also ... in some world some will say is ownself check ownself

03/08/2023, 11:49 am - +Smiley face: Integrity and honesty...

03/08/2023, 11:51 am - +Ah Heng: is all about values in the person as well

03/08/2023, 11:51 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/s-pore-worked-closely-with-uk-authorities-in-former-f1-boss-ecclestone-s-fraud-case-dpm-wong

03/08/2023, 11:51 am - +Ah Heng: in many drama we see a person with values too can turn rogue due to varies situation around him especially when it involves families / lust etc

03/08/2023, 11:52 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore MAS lose so much money

03/08/2023, 11:52 am - +Ah Heng: got as much as temaske anot ahhh

03/08/2023, 11:52 am - +Smiley face: Who is going to check ICAC folks and who else is above ICAC?

Governance...

03/08/2023, 11:52 am - +Ah Heng: same lor who is goign to check fbi and cia ....

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Smiley face: Start thinking... good thoughts!

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Ah Heng: so there must be a agency body to ensure law and order

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Frankie Wee: All this confidential no one know check <This message was edited>

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Ah Heng: of cos confidential

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Ah Heng: even at home there are secrets members of the family does not know

03/08/2023, 11:53 am - +Ah Heng: so why the public like some rabies infected dogs ask for so much detaisl

03/08/2023, 11:54 am - +Frankie Wee: After that they failed so mean govt has good integrity

03/08/2023, 11:54 am - +Ah Heng: will those who ask details BEAR all their info to the public when ask

03/08/2023, 11:54 am - +Ah Heng: and when i say BEAR IS REALLY BEAR DOWN TO THE VEINS OF THE BODY n every details of his / her information

03/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Ah Heng: one fact for sure NO GOVT in the world can pleased its people

03/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Frankie Wee: Govt asked public enforcement to be trusted pap

03/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Ah Heng: and no one govt will get praised from its people

03/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Ah Heng: as long as one is in power there will be opposing force of dis-satisfaction

03/08/2023, 11:55 am - +Ah Heng: like at home / school / office / between friends

03/08/2023, 11:57 am - +Smiley face: A constantly "thinking ahead of the unknown" government !...

03/08/2023, 11:58 am - +Smiley face: Conflict is one natural human instinct....fight and fight....

03/08/2023, 12:04 pm - +Frankie Wee: Did teacher or parent tell children must alway be honest and behave well in study. When they grow up adult no one tell what to do. They know and know God is answering. After human error

03/08/2023, 12:06 pm - +Frankie Wee: Who is perfect? There is nothing exist believing God. Because human learn words from God they will action referral

03/08/2023, 12:08 pm - +Rose M K Ho: They shd mandate No Pay Leave until the investigations wrap up.

If found innocent, then can back pay, but still not in full.  Public resources hv bn spent to look into the matter. Such costs need to come from somewhere.

Also, wher does the minister's salary come from?  ..... Us! 

Therefore, $8.5k _is_ too much for doing nothing!

03/08/2023, 12:12 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Agree.

03/08/2023, 12:15 pm - +~.@: @6596881298 u on a catharsis tirade hahaha...

03/08/2023, 12:15 pm - +~.@: let it go~ let it go..

03/08/2023, 12:21 pm - +Rama: Agree

03/08/2023, 12:21 pm - +Ah Heng: of cos lah cos everyday see the comment sin here round and round the same thing yet some still cannot see the point best is in real life also the same ..

03/08/2023, 12:22 pm - +Ah Heng: bark bark so much then please go be the guard dog role letthe durrent retired they tired looking after the gate for so many years

03/08/2023, 12:22 pm - +Rama: Safeguards when read by ownself check ownself?

03/08/2023, 12:23 pm - +Ah Heng: den who do you suggest to check ?

03/08/2023, 12:23 pm - +Ah Heng: if we dun check ourself den let others come pin point and make a clown of one when issue is found

03/08/2023, 12:23 pm - +Ah Heng: is like in school you dun check yourself end results one become a clown because of your own mistake

03/08/2023, 12:23 pm - +Ah Heng: same for your work

03/08/2023, 12:24 pm - +Ah Heng: if you dun check yourself on your to be submitted work in the end who is the clown

03/08/2023, 12:24 pm - +Ah Heng: so cannot say self check is no good

03/08/2023, 12:24 pm - +Ah Heng: else why in companies they ask you to self evaluate

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Ah Heng: during appraisal time is a form of self check too - check what u do good what needs to be improve

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Rama: PAP will never loose but there remote possibility of a two party government still there

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Ah Heng: dun say never

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Ah Heng: a clown will never be a president but he did it

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Ah Heng: hahahahahaha

03/08/2023, 12:25 pm - +Ah Heng: we all saw globally

03/08/2023, 12:28 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Agree.

Spend more time to connect,  touch base with the ground and truly _reach out_ to every corner of society. 😉

03/08/2023, 12:31 pm - +KL: This message was deleted

03/08/2023, 12:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. An incorruptible system is one that have a robust "Ownself check Ownself" system.

2. Political System check Civil Service.

3. Civil Service check Political System.

In a transparent, fair and just manner - allowing due process to take its course and arrive at a logical conclusion without interference.

Hence I am confident that Singapore governance system are still untainted and the governance standard are still intact.

03/08/2023, 12:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. My only concern is, after such decibel in the political space follow by such intense public scrutiny, will good capable people step out into the political space to serve or not.

2. This is my real worries and my close circles worries on the hindsight.

3. If no good people come out to serve - then overall we will be in grave trouble.

03/08/2023, 1:14 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. It is only a very high standard of Civil Service can check and measure up to high standard of Political System.

2. And a high standard of Political System that can check the Civil Service.

3. Only such "Ownself check Ownself" inter-locking system - can we ensure an incorruptible governance standard - to take Singapore forward, restore integrity and boost public confidence on the governance.

3. Hence the need to double down on "Ownself check Ownself".

03/08/2023, 1:24 pm - +Timothy Low: I wonder how Civil Service and Political System can "ownself check ownself" when Civil Service is under PMO (Political System)?

03/08/2023, 1:25 pm - +~L: Yes, this is why we need independent assessment.

03/08/2023, 1:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. Of how Ownself check Ownself work to ensure high integrity and incorruptibility:-

2. AGC yearly audit on every Ministries, Statutory Boards, Organ of States - ensure loopholes are reported, audited and corrected.

3. CPIB is impartial, vigilant, conduct check with no fear or favour if any suspicious corruption activities are detected.

4. And these "Ownself check Ownself" system on the civil service and political space - ensure Singapore governance standard remain high and incorruptible.

5. And the final check on the "Ownself check Ownself system" - is the people's vote - how well and how people perceive this "Ownself check Ownself system" has achieve its purpose of ensuring our government integrity and standard are intact.

6. Finally, an impartial and capable elected President and his Presidential council - will have the last key to ensure the key appointment holders in the civil service are indeed of high standards and our financial reserves are intact.

03/08/2023, 1:25 pm - +~L: But that's very hard to do in Singapore. since there is such a small pool of people to choose from, who are experienced, to do the assessment.

03/08/2023, 1:27 pm - +~L: Regarding the thought: If you're not happy vote elsewhere... I wonder if we should look at moderning our voting by giving people more direct say over not just GE, but also key individual policies. Not a binding referendum, like the disastrous Brexit, but an opportunity for a thorough public consultation and direct vote for major initiatives, especially including aspects of the budget.

03/08/2023, 1:40 pm - +Rama: Disagree on point one. Don't believe in ownself check ownself is a virtue as mentioned by MOH OYK!

03/08/2023, 1:40 pm - +Rama: Room for cover up possible.

03/08/2023, 1:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

What did he mention?

Can attach the article?

03/08/2023, 1:59 pm - +Rama: Have to search social media for the article where he mentioned while being interviewed!

03/08/2023, 2:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Wednesday (Aug 2) that his government has always dealt with corruption and allegations of improper conduct thoroughly, transparently and by applying the full force of the law and pledged that this will continue when Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong succeeds him.

PM Lee was speaking in parliament about the recent controversies that have captured the public’s attention namely the arrest of Transport Minister S Iswaran by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), the resignations of Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin and Member of Parliament (MP) Cheng Li Hui over an extramarital affair, and allegations over the rental of properties at Ridout Road by Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam and Foreign Affairs Minister Vivian Balakrishnan.

💬 *What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?*

PM Lee said that the two CPIB investigations and the response to the affair between former Speaker of Parliament Mr Tan Chuan Jin and former Member of Parliament Ms Cheng Li Hui show two aspects of how this government works. 

1️⃣ When there is a suspicion or allegation of wrongdoing in the discharge of official duties, especially possible corruption, there is zero tolerance 

2️⃣When people slip in their personal lives, the facts of each case will be looked at carefully and the matter will be dealt with as humanely and sensitively as possible, according to the principles that have been established.

PM Lee noted that there have been corruption cases involving political office holders in the past, and that those cases were all handled by then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew "thoroughly, transparently, and applying the full force of the law”. He added "That is still how the PAP government deals with such cases," and "It has not changed under my charge; and it won’t under my successor either.

PM Lee also assured Singaporeans that his Government will protect the integrity of Singapore's system of government. He added that trust is crucial for a democracy to work well, and that the founding generation built up Singapore and entrusted it to the current generation in good shape. So, it is incumbent on this generation of leaders to protect and uphold this system, to keep it incorruptible and clean, and maintain high standards of propriety.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/pm-lee-pap-government-stance-corruption-cases-3671741

03/08/2023, 2:00 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

During LKY times - it is a solid and robust - "Ownself check Ownself" system.

Political System check Civil Service.

Civil Service check Political System.

03/08/2023, 2:01 pm - +Rama: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ownself-check-ownself-virtue-spore-trouble-if-govt-cant-ensure-public-accountability-ong-ye-kung-1789921

03/08/2023, 2:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. *'Ownself check ownself' is a virtue*, S'pore in trouble if Govt can't ensure public accountability: Ong Ye Kung

2. *Besides having institutions and a neutral civil service to ensure accountability*

3. *A government that has its own set of checks and balances is one that is accountable and functions well*

4. *here will always be a role for different kinds of institutions, for checks and balances, (to) ensure that the executive branch is always accountable to the people*

不谋而合 (Did not discuss, but arrive at the same conclusion)

03/08/2023, 2:10 pm - +Rama: Disagree with no independent members included

03/08/2023, 2:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Independent members are the *People's vote*.

03/08/2023, 2:12 pm - +Rama: Which I believe is diluted to serve no purpose

03/08/2023, 2:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh?

Can elaborate?

03/08/2023, 2:14 pm - +Rama: The ethnic housing policies, growth of imported second class singaporeans, redraw of electorate boundaries etc.

03/08/2023, 2:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the check is " *People's vote*". <This message was edited>

03/08/2023, 2:16 pm - +Rama: Still manipulation to advance the interest of the ruling party.

03/08/2023, 2:18 pm - +~L: We already talked about this and 1 vote every 4-5 years isn't sufficient; especially if the government is generally supported. It can be perceived like blackmail - we do want we want or you end up with no functioning government. - No one wants that situation; and the public will resent being put in that position.

03/08/2023, 2:20 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And so your suggestion?

03/08/2023, 2:23 pm - +Anne: Dear G, why ask us what we think about how you deal with corruption when

- you have an “ownself check ownself” culture, and 

- there is no Freedom of Information Act?

You can continue to cover things up for as long as you want. We do not have any information unless international media break the news, or a spokesperson accidentally revealed the information due to slip of the tongue.

We ask for data; you give us derivative and manipulated data. Some people ask for raw data, you ignore them. Some people ask you difficult questions in public forums, you ignore them.   You want us to believe that you are working for us, but the things you do show that you believe you are the elite, the crème de la crème of society, and we are your stupid and gullible economic slaves that you can manipulate as you like, either by psychological means, or by creating laws that oppress us further.

Minister Iswaran has been suspended from duty but his pay was not suspended but reduced to $8,500. Many ordinary people when investigated for corruption would be terminated or suspended without pay. But the minister is an elite, is he not? So he is treated differently, receiving his $8,500 monthly pay, courtesy of taxpayers. Just curious, how many Singaporeans are privileged enough to receive $8,500 monthly pay?

So can I trust that you will deal with corruption adequately? No. I cannot trust a government that conceals information and does not grant a Freedom of Information Act for its people to counter check. I cannot trust a government that continually taunts its people with its “ownself check ownself” culture and continually claim no fault is found.

The most blatant case of “ownself check ownself” is the internal investigation done on Temasek’s “investment” in FTX. Temasek claimed that they invested in FTX by studying the financial statements. Really? Surely a sovereign wealth fund does a lot more thorough checks on their investments than just studying the financial statements? A friend working in corporate finance told me that FTX will never pass their checks. So how did it pass Temasek’s checks? If the investigation found that no one is at fault, it means the process is at fault. If the process is not at fault, it means Temasek was somehow forced to give the money to FTX by bypassing its standard process. So, is there a shadow director controlling the actions of Temasek? What is the real purpose of this money that was given to FTX?

I want to trust my government, but my common sense tell me you cannot be trusted.

03/08/2023, 2:24 pm - +Rama: The elections department should be a body of parliament and not of government with representation from all elected members of of each party in Parliament.  As for nmp and ncmp to have observer status cab be discussed.

03/08/2023, 2:24 pm - +Rama: Agree

03/08/2023, 2:25 pm - +Smiley face: "A results oriented government and A constantly thinking outside of the buildings of a governing mindset; as for many things from the tangibles into the intangibles and many opinions and comments coupled with occasional unpleasant outcomes; all of these have proven and shall be proven over time, that's history and making history out of pure grid and luck that is awesome! (minus the brown nosers)"

- - anonymous aspirations

03/08/2023, 2:27 pm - +~L: More input from the public during each parliament. Votes on budget allocation for example (not binding, just advisory)

03/08/2023, 2:27 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thought a member in the House is found guilty on AHTC lawsuit.

Wonder is the MP pay suspended?

03/08/2023, 2:28 pm - +Rama: Should be

03/08/2023, 2:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also 3 members of the House investigated by police for parliament rape lying case, are their MP pay suspended?

03/08/2023, 2:29 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +Ah Heng: got announce their pay is suspended

03/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +Ah Heng: suspended from duties does not mean pay is suspended also

03/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +Rama: Should be

03/08/2023, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh really?

Any news article?

03/08/2023, 2:30 pm - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

03/08/2023, 2:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But now people say $8,500 too much for a suspended case woh.

Some more, no guilty charges yet.

03/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +Rama: No precedence so PM use civil service guide lines.

03/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +Ah Heng: that's because the singaporeans are just arse hole

03/08/2023, 2:32 pm - +Ah Heng: they just bark bark bark

03/08/2023, 2:33 pm - +Rama: 😄

03/08/2023, 2:34 pm - +Ah Heng: if now we say pritam got suspended and got 8.5k let's see if there are barking

03/08/2023, 2:34 pm - +Rama: Exactly

03/08/2023, 2:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh Pritam pay if not suspended I think his MP pay should be at least $16,000.

Wow so much ah!

Iswaran only $8,500 - minister Woh.

03/08/2023, 2:40 pm - +Rama: 😄😳

03/08/2023, 2:41 pm - +~.@: leader of opposition gets extra budget if i remember correctly

03/08/2023, 2:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Elon Musk invest in Twitter $44 billion - now Twitter no longer exist.

Now call what huh?

"X" - cross - wrong investment.

But Elon Musk still the richest in the world.

Temasek burnt about $300 million?

Heng ah not $44 billion.

But our sovereign fund still among the largest in the world.

03/08/2023, 2:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh then Pritam win big Woh.

03/08/2023, 2:43 pm - +~.@: 385k a year. double MP rate

03/08/2023, 2:43 pm - +Rama: 👍👌

03/08/2023, 2:43 pm - +Redzuan: When u pick on others fault its ok when its vice versa ? 

Dunno what to say .... 🤣🤣🤣

03/08/2023, 2:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wah, $385,000 pay, not suspended in parliament - still going strong while being investigated.

WP good deal man..

No wonder people want to join opposition.

Double standard mah.

03/08/2023, 2:44 pm - +Ah Heng: tell hazel poa about that

03/08/2023, 2:44 pm - +Ah Heng: thus i say our opposition quality sucks

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: they are better off in wet market and kopi shop politcians please dun stand on national level and waste people time stir shit every day

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: see already also pissed off

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Redzuan: When u point at others.. four others fingers pointing at you.

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Rama: Agree

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Ah Heng: cos their remarks and feedbacks and ideas are like secondary school pupils

03/08/2023, 2:45 pm - +Redzuan: 🫣

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Elementary my dear watson!

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: i think some of the folks here can bring better point out for discussion

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: you guys here worth the 16k

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: not mr why they can stay in big house

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: and now ms why still earning 8k pay

03/08/2023, 2:46 pm - +Ah Heng: maybe suspend her to make her understand why

03/08/2023, 2:47 pm - +~L: he got others to invest in twitter its not all his personal money.

03/08/2023, 2:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha...

Actually I don't want to dig all these out.

I want to 留点口德。

But since people like to dig out dirt.

Then let all dirt in the closet all dig out - to let people judge lor.

03/08/2023, 2:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why I say, "Ownself check Ownself ' is still Singapore best bet in governance.

03/08/2023, 2:50 pm - +Rama: Selective with limited openness leads to suspicions and doubts

03/08/2023, 2:51 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hahahaha. wait until the ase  stop letting shit go. The body will be sickly and get blood poisoning. That's how my mom died, she vomited it out

03/08/2023, 2:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: $385k X 5 years is plus bonus near $2m+++

03/08/2023, 2:52 pm - +Rama: Wow

03/08/2023, 2:52 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Took bank loan to avoid taxes

03/08/2023, 2:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Mr Iswaran cut salary $8,500 monthly mean money go CIPB investigation on him.

03/08/2023, 2:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: CIPB has business profit deal Mr Iswaran case.

03/08/2023, 2:55 pm - +Rama: Side bar including HP OBS

03/08/2023, 3:18 pm - +Rama: Leong mun wai asks why he didn’t get formal apology from Vivian Balakrishnan for 2021 hot mic incident

Leong Mun Wai Questions Why He Never Received Formal Apology On Wednesday (2 Aug), Singapore’s Parliament convened and addressed the slew of recent controversies that have plagued the Government.Leader of the House Indranee Rajah took questions about what transpired and Mr Tan’s subsequent apology.

https://news.nestia.com/detail_share/11396458?media_type=1&invite_code=000562032624&nestiaShareChannel=whatsapp

03/08/2023, 3:23 pm - +Ah Heng: !!!!!!

03/08/2023, 3:23 pm - +Ah Heng: THIS GUY REALLY GOT TO BE KICK OUT

03/08/2023, 3:24 pm - +Ah Heng: the matter over still wanna pick bone

03/08/2023, 3:24 pm - +Ah Heng: he really boils my blood

03/08/2023, 3:24 pm - +Ah Heng: freaking school kid mentality

03/08/2023, 3:25 pm - +Ah Heng: he think he really iron man

03/08/2023, 3:25 pm - +Ah Heng: just spout a few rubbish rubbish and get forgiven -that's his poly?

03/08/2023, 3:25 pm - +Ah Heng: so he can stir more shit next round?

03/08/2023, 3:52 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Happens when own self check own self. How to keep egos and stupidities in check

03/08/2023, 3:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/harvard-professor-raking-over-1-162755528.html

03/08/2023, 3:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Own self check own self. No basic value of integrity leads to such incidences

03/08/2023, 4:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Wednesday (Aug 2) that his government has always dealt with corruption and allegations of improper conduct thoroughly, transparently and by applying the full force of the law and pledged that this will continue when Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong succeeds him.

PM Lee was speaking in parliament about the recent controversies that have captured the public’s attention namely the arrest of Transport Minister S Iswaran by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB), the resignations of Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin and Member of Parliament (MP) Cheng Li Hui over an extramarital affair, and allegations over the rental of properties at Ridout Road by Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam and Foreign Affairs Minister Vivian Balakrishnan.

💬 *What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government?*

PM Lee said that the two CPIB investigations and the response to the affair between former Speaker of Parliament Mr Tan Chuan Jin and former Member of Parliament Ms Cheng Li Hui show two aspects of how this government works. 

1️⃣ When there is a suspicion or allegation of wrongdoing in the discharge of official duties, especially possible corruption, there is zero tolerance 

2️⃣When people slip in their personal lives, the facts of each case will be looked at carefully and the matter will be dealt with as humanely and sensitively as possible, according to the principles that have been established.

PM Lee noted that there have been corruption cases involving political office holders in the past, and that those cases were all handled by then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew "thoroughly, transparently, and applying the full force of the law”. He added "That is still how the PAP government deals with such cases," and "It has not changed under my charge; and it won’t under my successor either.

PM Lee also assured Singaporeans that his Government will protect the integrity of Singapore's system of government. He added that trust is crucial for a democracy to work well, and that the founding generation built up Singapore and entrusted it to the current generation in good shape. So, it is incumbent on this generation of leaders to protect and uphold this system, to keep it incorruptible and clean, and maintain high standards of propriety.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/pm-lee-pap-government-stance-corruption-cases-3671741

03/08/2023, 4:02 pm - +Rama: 😳🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

03/08/2023, 4:04 pm - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/LgEC2Vijae0

03/08/2023, 4:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

For a simple reason, the quality of the oppositions are too low and their integrity are not very high.

Hence the slogan of "First class parliament" - no where in sight.

03/08/2023, 4:14 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Conversely, I am very impressed with the 3 Presidential candidates - Tharman, George Goh and Ng Kok Song.

They are 3 high quality candidates.

What they say impressed me.

03/08/2023, 4:42 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR MORE* from you on today’s topic! 

💬 *What are your views on this issue? Do you have any concerns about safeguards against corruption in the Government??*

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

03/08/2023, 4:45 pm - +Andrew Ang: Every parliament - each MP should come out with at least one proposal(for the wellbeing of citizens) to talk about.

03/08/2023, 4:45 pm - +Andrew Ang: KPI of MPs need to be reviewed

03/08/2023, 4:47 pm - +Andrew Ang: Pls include flat revaluation value and neighbouring facilities as added values to the area MPs are manning.

03/08/2023, 4:47 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 4:47 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 5:23 pm - +Dan: When is the benefits for civil service last reviewed? Is the medical and insurance benefits up to date? As compared to HR practices in private sectors, are the benefits in civil service comparable?

03/08/2023, 5:27 pm - +Timothy Low: https://www.careers.gov.sg/who-we-are/benefits#:~:text=As%20a%20public%20officer%20on,year%20for%20your%20medical%20expenses.

03/08/2023, 5:28 pm - +Timothy Low: To be honest $500 per year for medical benefits is peanuts

03/08/2023, 5:29 pm - +Rama: Sgd1200.00

03/08/2023, 5:30 pm - +Timothy Low: <Media omitted>

03/08/2023, 5:30 pm - +Timothy Low: $500 subsidy

03/08/2023, 6:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Fewer job seekers, employees faced discrimination in 2022: MOM"

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/mom-fair-employment-practices-report-fewer-job-seekers-employees-faced-discrimination-2022-3666121#:~:text=Fewer%20job%20seekers%2C%20employees%20faced%20discrimination%20in%202022%3A%20MOM

03/08/2023, 6:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/it-s-time-to-tackle-workplace-discrimination-head-on

It’s time to tackle workplace discrimination head-on.

Legislation is a big step forward, but its effectiveness depends on communication and implementation on the ground.

Patrick Tay

03/08/2023, 6:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

03/08/2023, 6:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

03/08/2023, 6:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

03/08/2023, 6:11 pm - +Rama: PM announced two years ago!

03/08/2023, 6:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Importers see cost of goods fall with stronger Singapore dollar.

Thanks to a stronger Singapore dollar, importers here now have more purchasing power when buying goods from overseas.                                                                                                                                   https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/importers-see-cost-goods-fall-stronger-singapore-dollar-appreciation-inflation-3674571

03/08/2023, 6:41 pm - +~.@: but also make the reserve of foreign currencies become less valuable

03/08/2023, 6:42 pm - +Rama: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLCfQsMB/

03/08/2023, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

03/08/2023, 6:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not really true.

Controlling and managing money supply and reserves is the job of a central bank (in this case MAS).

Economic conditions and economic growth are the primary consideration what a central bank will do - buying more $S or selling more S$ and buy which foreign currency. <This message was edited>

03/08/2023, 6:47 pm - +~.@: yes, which underlines why there was a reported paper loss for MAS couple of months ago.

03/08/2023, 6:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Keeping foreign currency strong or weak is the prerogative of foreign government - and they will keep their own currency strong or weak depending on their own economic conditions.

03/08/2023, 6:47 pm - +~.@: because we strive to maintain a stronger currency to enable our purchasing power

03/08/2023, 6:48 pm - +~.@: btw i am not disagreeing with you. im just reinforcing the reasoning for the lower reserve value

03/08/2023, 6:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

We maintain stronger currency to keep imported inflation in check.

But we must also ensure our export market are competitive.

Eg. If we import more raw materials at low cost, and then we sell our finished goods - the price must be competitive to ensure our manufacturers can sell their goods.

If too expensive, foreigners don't buy, and our business here close shops, and people lose jobs.

03/08/2023, 6:50 pm - +~.@: and the export problem is now observable in our electronics export market

03/08/2023, 6:51 pm - +~.@: i know one electronic company already sold one factory building

03/08/2023, 6:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence money supply are monetary policy that supplement fiscal policy - to ensure our economic growth are healthy.

Not so much to play with MAS reserves.

03/08/2023, 6:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not because of our strong $ - but due to weak global economic conditions eg. US, EU and China - affected by high interest rate, low consumer and business borrowing - dampen demands and consumption.

03/08/2023, 6:53 pm - +~.@: strength is relative too

03/08/2023, 6:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Our basket of currency - a secret formula will always ensure our exchange rate are rightly price - vis a vis - the global supply chain, our foreign business partners and our competitors.

03/08/2023, 6:55 pm - +Rama: Yes

03/08/2023, 6:57 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

We buy cheap imported raw materials, semi finished goods, but when we sell our finished goods due to strong dollars - it will even out.

Also depends on which countries we get them from - our basket of currency will work out the right equilibrium exchange rate.

03/08/2023, 6:58 pm - +~.@: ok

03/08/2023, 6:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Good government ensure we can survive and thrive.

03/08/2023, 6:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't bring it down.

03/08/2023, 7:00 pm - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/M6lqqyBxdcQ

DTSS: 

Freed up a lot of space for housing, recreation and storing excessive rain pouring thus avoiding future adverse climate such as massive flooding on the surface areas that will cause economic disruptions and destructions to assets, lives and livelihoods.

The DTSS is one hidden enabler for population increase well into 2035 and beyond.

It all started in 1995 and planned to put sewage water underground. 

A constantly "thinking ahead of the unknown" government !

03/08/2023, 7:00 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.youtube.com/live/LOiXKPUcQjU?feature=share

Prior to the use of containers for shipping, wooden crates and sacks were the primary way to ship cargo. In 1956, containers was invented and replaced the old ways of shipping goods (Malcolm Purcell Mclean).

Shipping containers are the goods (finished & unfinished) movers of the 21st century of globalisation and the global tool for trades. It was until in the 1960s the exploded use of containers for shipping goods. The beginning of robust international trades and the eventuality of today's globalisation. 

The current global trades using sea routes as the mode of transportation of goods amounts to $22 trillions.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/325954/revenue-of-psa-international/

Tuas Mega Port:

The cost to build this mega port is $14 billions, today's money.

The future of Tuas Mega Port will be an abundance of success; a projection based on today's containers volume at $22 trillion. Prospecting, we may net a quarter of the global trades and that means a whopping $15 billions of income for PSA?

How about the freed up land bank from Tanjong Pagar to West Coast areas? What can these valuable land be reused for? What will be the economics benefits and derivatives from these two mega and strategic moves that is megaport and redeveloping lands will contribute to SG?    

     - - in progress - -

03/08/2023, 7:01 pm - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/kDXhuZq535g

Why another expansion plan of Changi International Airport?

Again, it's a meaningful infrastructure investment to plan ahead of time for future inflow and outflow of people, services and goods!

Geometric Points:

The Air hub, the Sea hub, the Land hub,  Financial/Fintech hub, the Commerce/ Global Trades hub, the Digital hub, the Liveable Housing hub, the Entertainments/Tourism hub, the Medical hub, the R&D hub, the Renewable Energy/Alternate Energy hub, the EV hub, the Food hub and the Knowledge hub.

All in the making and on their way to improve and stay ahead of all unknowns just to prepare for our SG future road maps!    

     - - in progress - -

03/08/2023, 7:01 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

03/08/2023, 7:01 pm - +Smiley face: What is wrong and what is correct?

03/08/2023, 7:02 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group

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