REACH 371 - What are your views on Singapore's policies towards drugs? In your view, how effective are they in keeping our citizens safe from drug abuse?
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08 Jul 2022 (10am - 7pm)
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[9:59 am, 08/07/2022] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Critics of Singapore's mandatory death penalty for convicted drug traffickers miss the point that it saves lives and protects Singaporeans, Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam has said.
In an interview on the BBC's HARDtalk programme that aired on Wednesday (29 Jun), he noted that the BBC focused on the hanging of one drug trafficker, but not on the severe drug situation in South-east Asia, and the thousands of lives at stake.
π¬ What are your views on Singapore's policies towards drugs? In your view, how effective are they in keeping our citizens safe from drug abuse?
In response to questions about the death penalty, Mr Shanmugam replied that capital punishment is imposed because there is clear evidence that it is a serious deterrent for would-be drug traffickers, and that Singapore's drug policies have "saved thousands of lives".
His statements come amidst Thailand's legalisation of cannabis on 9 Jun, which prompted the Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) to reiterate its strong stance against the drug.
"(Under) the Misuse of Drugs Act, any Singapore citizen or permanent resident found to have consumed controlled drugs outside Singapore will also be liable for the drug consumption offence," said Singapore's Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB), adding that checks are done regularly at various checkpoints.
Those convicted of drug consumption may be jailed for up to 10 years and fined up to $20,000.
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[10:09 am, 08/07/2022] +Guillermo Cabeza: I have a fairly strong view on this: the policy is the correct one, and the government should resist pressure to water it down (which seems to have already happened to some degree in the past few years with mandatory death penalty cases changed to prison terms). Drugs are horrible - just look at the streets in the West or Australia. On a related note as someone posted on this chat a few days ago, I think there should be the death penalty for child sexual abuse cases.
[10:12 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: My personal view taking people live because of drug is an Babaric Act for first offence. Caning 50 stroke is more reasonable. Give them a chance to learn the lesson
Some force to do because to save another live.
[10:13 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Talk about drug abuse.
I believe law is above and it should be sent to death penalty not exceeded than 10gm or 20gm.
Even he sent to jail time when release, he can’t change himself become addicted and mindset is habit.
[10:17 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Haha ha not all cannot be change. Many of them change as they go older and worse if they get 50 stroke
[10:19 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: U know dry has outside information whereabouts there is underworld.
He know drug can make money and power of rich.
[10:20 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: The usual cases are existing offenders whom NARCOTIC officers have been watching them for a period of time.
Let not be misunderstood that drugs couriers are arrested within days.
Previous suggestion of 50 strokes of cane perhaps also shorter prison term like 2 years and 24 strokes of cane for under 30gm of drugs and first offender.
How about female drug couriers? They are not subject to caning?
[10:20 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Singapore is none stop drug forever. CNB on going search and search π
[10:21 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Female can’t be stroke of can
It’s a fair with law
[10:21 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Capital punishment as a deterrent for murder and serious drugs offences.
Syndicated drugs offenders must be dealt with heavy consequences any less will encourage more drugs crimes.
[10:22 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Syndicate will use female as courier!
[10:22 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: The problem is classification. Alcohol and Cigarettes are the most harmful drugs, but are accessible. Marijuana is far less harmful and is being used as therapies around the world. Heroin/Crack is a killer. Cocaine is a shortlived 'luxury' drug. The lost goes on.... No doubt drugs are harmful. Death Penalty for trafficking of course reduces import into Singapore. We just need to be very cautious because the distress and upset to those families/children etc needsto be taken into account. State Sponsored murder is a tough call. I don't think we should kill people who have an addiction problem.
[10:23 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: I ever mix with inmates they prefer died than 50 stroke. You can hang females why you can’t cane them
[10:23 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Caning is fearful to prisoners.
[10:23 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: I do not want to see dangerous drugs on the streets of Singapore. It would be very damaging to our communities and society and children
[10:24 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Many experience inmates was caning are remorseful
[10:24 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/-PXAOZwvv04
[10:24 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: It will be interesting to see what happens in Thailand now they have legalised cannabis for medical use. But even there, its a big country that can absorb such things
[10:26 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Nobody like to see drug user on the street but there are more humanity way to teach drug abuses
[10:27 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: I wonder where the drugs been keep? When CNB has been arrest them and seized the drugs.
[10:30 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: I'm not sympathetic to drug traffickers that are driven by commercial gain. However they most likely use drug users to do the trafficking.
[10:30 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: The policies toward drugs should be remained to protect Singapore's population at large. π€ Think about why NGOs and companies want to decriminalize drugs; evidence starts showing it is the business profit, company share price, and revenue generated from selling the drug. Information is analysed based on data that can be read in newspapers.
[10:31 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Although I am uncomfortable with it, and think we should review what is considered a dangerous drug that demands death penalty for trafficking, right now I don't think there is a better option.
[10:31 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: March/April 1994
"Let me be frank; if we did not have the good points of the West to guide us, we wouldn't have got out of our backwardness. We would have been a backward economy with a backward society. But we do not want all of the West."
[Responding to a separate question]
"Let me give you an example that encapsulates the whole difference between America and Singapore. America has a vicious drug problem. How does it solve it? It goes around the world helping other anti-narcotic agencies to try and stop the suppliers... Singapore does not have that option.
What we can do is to pass a law which says that any customs officer or policeman who sees anybody in Singapore behaving suspiciously... can require that man to have his urine tested. If the sample is found to contain drugs, the man immediately goes for treatment. In America if you did that it would be an invasion of the individual's rights and you would be sued."
- - Lee Kuan Yew
[10:33 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: He is well educated with his degree
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/singapore-hangs-drug-traffickers-opposition-86351342
[10:34 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: In some countries you can now buy CBD, which cannot be smoked and has no 'high' and is not addictive: While CBD is an essential component of medical marijuana, it is derived directly from the hemp plant, a cousin of marijuana, or manufactured in a laboratory. One of hundreds of components in marijuana, CBD does not cause a "high" by itself. According to a report from the World Health Organization, "In humans, CBD exhibits no effects indicative of any abuse or dependence potential…. To date, there is no evidence of public health related problems associated with the use of pure CBD
[10:35 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Singaporean are more and more are educated but living in Babaric system with no idea to get a better solution
[10:35 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: CBD is banned in Singapore and classified as a drug. Whereas cigarettes are legally available, cause terrible health damage and are highly addictive.
[10:36 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Interesting and a good insight into life 45 years ago.
[10:38 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Clearly this is incorrect, it's a huge deterrent : “The death penalty is never the solution and we oppose it unconditionally. There is no evidence that it acts as a unique deterrent to crime"
[10:38 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: It's impossible to produce evidence without abolishing the death penalty and then comparing the amount of drugs being imported.
[10:38 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Which would be ridiculous
[10:39 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: I always wondered when i read About Seized drugs by Singapore authorities...
When supply is There, means there was a demand, this is what My tiny brain tells me
And Scares me..
Why the supply is coming?
Who are the ones taking it?
How come people not aware of how harmful drugs can be?
The first and foremost is Stop people taking it, If NO DEMAND NO BODY DARES TO SELL!
This is simple economics.
If they selling drugs with out saying it as Drugs (like Doping etc) then even more scary..!
Not sure where the demand is comung from!
[10:39 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Many has forgotten Singapore in olden day are built by Opium user and today Singapore one of the busiest port in the world.
[10:40 am, 08/07/2022] +Valli: Druggies should not be left free , they will hook up as many as they can if they are allowed to go free.
The nation will be ruined without these laws.
[10:40 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: When I was a police officer I came across some of the Opium user are legalise with certificates
[10:43 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: +1
As a humanist myself i will never able to convince myself for death penality...
As i said Above every time every where people talks about penality for trafficking..what about those consumed knowingly?..
Where actually the demand comes from is the major question, but i have not read single line so far in any major news articles!
[10:46 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Consuming Drugs For medical reasons with prescriptions should not be included in this.
As that's called medication.
So let's not get Confused
[10:46 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: Opium was weaponized By the empire to destroy a society. Similar to it, drugs and other artificial substances can be weaponized to weaken a society from within and colonize the economic activity of a society.
[10:47 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: I feel there no save life because it’s affected addict brain π§ and trafficking that’s can’t change nor cured. We are all being human right there is no way lawyer can save life.
[10:47 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Much harder to police and much less damaging to society. Stop it at the source.
[10:48 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Yes, although the policy prevents medical use as well.
[10:49 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: 8 July, 2022
"Casual Drugs and Circumventing Laws"
What if these drugs syndicates use minors or teenagers under age of 18 to push for drugs sales to schoolmates or adults or neighbors?
Under the existing laws, minors are not subject to capital punishment or caning. However there are situations whereby minors are in remand in boys or girls homes await for the court and President's decisions to be prosecuted under the proper court system and proceedings comes age 18 yrs old.
Importantly, perhaps, these drugs syndicates may already PENETRATED (in small numbers) into our secondary, Poly and University paddling causal drugs for playfulness or pleasures or party goers - an old saying, "things change, new ways of selling things to the young ones...!"
[10:50 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: Capital punishment is the most effective way to deter the rate of trafficking, and the death penalty will increase the operating cost of drugs trafficker and pump up the price of drugs, effectively reducing the accessibility of drugs to populations at large and saving our life.
[10:50 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Yes stop it drug abuses but not by killing. There many way to do it.
Only Animal kill without humanity
[10:52 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Yes. Agree. But Ignoring where the demand is ...
For me its silly!
As i said i have zero knowledge where in Singapore people uses
(Is it individual use? And there were no major parties involved?
I don't think so!)
If one or two guys taking how come kgs of drugs being supplied.
Maths not matching
May be they don't publish the news./ Or i missed reading it)
[10:53 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Humans are animals. Humans have a terrible reputation for killing. Genocide, war, murder.... drug traffickers seems the most reasonable, even if distasteful.
[10:53 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: Homo sapiens ancestor is from Hominoidea (Apes) superfamily, in olden day anthropology studies, apes are animals
[10:53 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Aiyyo..
Scary to read this ππ
[10:53 am, 08/07/2022] +KL: If u can ship drug those drug lord will able to buy high end weapon on SPF . please think before speaking .
[10:54 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: What about high tech ways of trafficking. Drones for example? How long before we cannot stop it and have no one to arrest?
[10:54 am, 08/07/2022] +BL: Education is also key. Carrot and stick.
[10:56 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Education deffinatly is the major part...
Educate educate educate
First the teachers the parents and the children..
[10:58 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: A good point and a starting point.
Some empirical studies on early years of drugs use relate to social economics of family.
Simply put it, the environment one's live in affects one's beliefs and behaviors. Can be friends and family members...
[10:58 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: I believe everyone agrees western education is the best in this century, right? What is their effective rate in protecting Their own society free from drugs?
[10:59 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Future, perhaps, whereby a nation's geography is spread and vast
[10:59 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Not all are buying Human are origin from Ape
Jesus don’t teach that’s
[10:59 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "curiosity kills the cats"
[11:00 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: Counter drone tech is advancing, the recent war in Ukraine saw the drone and anti-drone technology tested on the field.
[11:01 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Watch out!
These drugs syndicates have penetrated into our education facilities... Secondary, Poly, ITE, University!
[11:02 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: It all started with PEER PRESSURE, curiosity and mixing with wrong friends...
"One thing leading to many things...!"
[11:02 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: My question is whether the authorities catching Big players in that,or are they escaping it, if example in a any place or restaurant being The place will the boss also getting death penality?
Or the guy who delivered the food on the table/
Or both?
If not penalising the people Who consume, no point just keep killing the trafficers.
Strict Laws must be there those who consume it (but again knowingly is the key)
(Just assuming never read/heard about it)
[11:03 am, 08/07/2022] +KL: Thus is to deter ppl from shipping bulk of drugs into country . Most ppl start small right?
[11:04 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: Chap2, verse7 in The Book of Genesis started how man formed.
[11:04 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: CNB must strategies quickly to include INFILTRATING into our education facilities through...
Teachers as SPY or schools supporting staffs like cleaner, Ops staffs etc...
[11:05 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Vehicles movement other than staffs... Occasional need to VET who are these entering vehicles owners and purposes especially for IHL facilities!
[11:05 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: A Boss Won't ship the Drugus himself
He has people π
(Watched many drama/series..so u can say i only knew this point from dramas)
so i assume there ar big players but yet to get caught..
[11:06 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: I think CNB is doing a good job but need to improve rather than practice the old way
[11:08 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Simple equations to stop Drug must use the drug
Like fire at oil rig they use fire to stop fire
[11:09 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "when things goes underground, you go to the ground..."
- - annoymous
[11:10 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Correct, always be ahead of the curve!
Syndicate are smart folks too!
[11:10 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: Underground and to the ground is different meaning
[11:11 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: https://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_Opium_Survey_2021.pdf
Afghanistan is one of the more significant producers of drug raw material, I don't think big players like that can be caught. Catching traffickers is effective.
[11:12 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: One old ways, CNB officers mixed in the Neighborhood void deck with youngsters... From there thr officers will penetrated these pockets of drugs webs... Fyi
[11:12 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: In Afghanistan can not get Caught..
In Singapore they can
They will..
[11:13 am, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: ππ i must tell my daughter to be more cautious..
[11:14 am, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: There are many way to stop them one of the effective way Use drug to trap the drug smuggler and abuses
[11:14 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Drugs manufacturing is one way to finance a warlord, an army or a Prolonged war!
Don't need to look to Afghanistan, that's CIA territory.
Other nations, no comment, research it yourself before my life will be hacked!
[11:29 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/123949
How Illicit Drug Use Affects Business and the Economy
The Federal Government and business community are increasingly recognizing the negative consequences of substance abuse on the U.S. economy and the Nation’s workforce. Abuse of drugs and alcohol is costly for our society and, left untreated, places a burden on our workplace, our healthcare system, and our communities. A number of reports and surveys highlight the detrimental effects substance abuse has on business productivity and competitiveness as it also increases workplace injuries and absenteeism.
The following data provide a stark illustration of consequences of drug use in our society.
Economic Costs
The economic cost of drug abuse in the Unite…
[11:30 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: This was published by President Obama's Office a long time ago
[11:31 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Think Like A Smuggler? "
Get your men grounds up from airport to seaport and point of entries!
The small timer Smugglers usual ways are entering from Airport, Cruise port and Causeway.
How cruise liners can be a possible point of delivery of drugs? The cruise staffs and passengers will pass drugs and transact on board!
The big timers use ground handling staffs to passing parcels through all gateways!
Such complex operations require more than 6 ground staffs to surpass checkpoints!
Start checks and balances, reschedule work schedules and starts planting CNB moles as coworkers into these vulnerable points of access!
So is about smart policing and tough prosecuting! There are many variables and complexity this global drugs business.
One thing for sur…
[11:37 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/world-drug-report-2022.html
Latest UNODC report
[11:38 am, 08/07/2022] +SL: This is the extraction of 2021 UNODC report 2.
[11:45 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Big Rewards For Big Haul ι¬Όζι¬Ό "
Incentivising informants and whistle blowers with big monetary rewards.
Perhaps, one way to make these drugs syndicates harder to "buy" human resource to their sides!
" Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome."
- - Charlie Munger
"when thing goes underground, you go to the ground...!"
- - annoymous
[11:47 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: During court proceedings, informants, CNB ground staffs or whistle blowers will have their statements recorded on videos with blurr faces and slight tweeted voices to protect these civic minded people from harms way or future revenges!
[11:49 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: $1.0 million Street values will equal $200k of monetary awards singlet or group sharing.
[11:51 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "let money do the walk and talk... Afterall is all about money and not hanging, caning or jailing?"
[11:52 am, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Everyone thinking of money is easy life
[11:53 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Judicial, rehab, social, economics, all these cost can be minimised and never will be diminished!
Spending monies and times expanding the prison's capacity will be a sad consequence for a nation!
[11:58 am, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Join now
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Question: Charlie, you have been a long-time admirer of Singapore and Lee Kuan Yew. You once said to study the life and work of Lee Kuan Yew. You are going to be flabbergasted. I would be curious to know how you started your interest in Singapore and Lee Kuan Yew. Have you met Lee Kuan Yew in person? And if there is one thing the world could learn from Singapore, what would that be?
Charlie Munger: Well, Lee Kuan Yew had the best record as a nation builder. If you’re willing to count small nations in the group, he had probably the best record that ever existed in the history of the world. He took over a malarial swamp with no army, no nothing. And, pretty soon, he turned that into this gloriously prosperous place.
His method for doing it was so simple. The mantra he said over and over again is very simple. He said, figure out what works and do it. Now, it sounds like anybody would know that made sense. But you know, most people don’t do that. They don’t work that hard at figuring out what works and what doesn’t. And they don’t just keep everlastingly at it the way he did.
- - Charlie Munger on Lee Kuan Yew
[0:07 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "would you or wouldn't you...?"
Would you migrate or visit a nation that's drugs infested with needles and zombies along streets and ally?
Would you put your money and start a home in a nation full of drugs and social problems?
Would you put your children to schools given unsafe drugs abuse records in that nation?
Finally, would you feel safe for your girlfriend, your wife or your daughter or your son walking on the street at nite knowing unsafe in that nation you resides?
To be tough on crimes or to take a softer stand and be fully compassionate to criminals risking your loved ones as sacrificial ones?
[0:07 pm, 08/07/2022] +Ab Rahman: I use to work with Lee Kuan Yew when he was Union adviser
He is straight forward base on fact but not a good human sensitivity.
[0:08 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: https://www.malaymail.com/news/singapore/2022/07/08/two-men-in-singapore-get-jail-time-caning-for-repeatedly-and-mercilessly-molesting-male-grab-driver/16386
[0:09 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Can I suggest we keep religious beliefs separate from this debate. People are entitled to their beliefs, and I respect that, but equally I don't think this is the forum to share them.
[0:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: We should also think about how we group 'drugs' - isn't it confusing for a kid to see cigarettes on sale, and people smoking, and to be told that tobacco is ok (which it is not) while other herbs are not OK? Where is the logic in that? Why are tobacco companies allowed to import tons of their drugs with no legal penalty?
[0:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Happy to know you have worked with Mr Lee.
As leaders, one has ti be impartial simply to uphold the morale status to be seen as equal to all.
Simply put it, leaders at times find it harder to draw the line between informal and formal behaviors and interactions .. Because all eyes are watching her or him, this case Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
Hope the simple explanation will let you see some lights as to why....
[0:13 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: As you might have noticed, I'm quite anti-cigarettes :)
[0:13 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Valid concern and counter points, good point, BL!
[0:14 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Tobacco companies are big boys, perhaps, there is a need to dive deeper into why, what, how, when?
[0:16 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: July 1st, all parks and Carpark areas are ANTI SMOKING ZONES.
90 DAYS grace for offenders, thereafter, mm smokers caught smoking will face uo to $1,000 fine or may include community works too if she or he littered the cigarette butts!
[0:19 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Totally disagree.
50 strokes of the cane is a horrible way to die. π³
On a more serious note, allowing exceptions/leeway for whatever reasons, opens the door for the real culprits to exploit already vulnerable victims eg. if you say some may be forced to do it "to save another", then most likely, the drug lords will target someone with such "needs" to commit the crime on their behalf. It will never end.
[0:22 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: An old story,
A lady went to her relative asking for favor. To void her parking summon!
This lady relative was a leader.
Said the leader to his relative, "auntie, you broke the law, you pay for the Summon!"
That simple!
[0:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Umar M: Singapore should maintain and continue to enforce the fair and reasonable application of the death penalty as part of the Zero Tolerance Policy on drugs.
[0:25 pm, 08/07/2022] +Umar M: Plenty of countries globally and specifically ASEAN buckle under the organised crime surrounding drugs and its effects on the population.
[0:25 pm, 08/07/2022] +Umar M: Being a major port destination and close proximity to the Golden Triangle drug production territory, we have little choice but to defend our people against its scourge.
[0:26 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Here it goes, good point, Umar
[0:27 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Secures our 700 Sqkm, the outside world is a complex game!
[0:28 pm, 08/07/2022] +Umar M: I highly recommend anyone against the death penalty to volunteer your services and visit families wrecked by drugs and drug crime.
Innocent children and even newborns especially left to fend for themselves as the families are too strung out or already incarcerated due to drugs.
Yes it's a tragedy some will be punished to hang but the ripple effects of drug crime are too harsh to ignore.
Don't believe me? Go volunteer with any NGOs or VWOs and see for yourself.
[0:37 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Long ago, kampuchea known to have 12 warlords prior to the new Republic.
8 warlords surrendered their weapons and formed the proper army. How much it cost to feed an 'army of 20,000 men' then prior to surrendering ?
What happened to the other 4 warlords? No comment!
[0:40 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Triangle, this is one point... How about the other 2+2 points?
No comment!
More than a triangle!
[0:40 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Me too π
[0:42 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Fishermen and sea trawlers....
[0:42 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Haha But HDB corridors?
We had Passive somking 8 yrs
When living in old Tpy flat.. the neighbour chain smoker .. Every 5 min can smell.. whole day closed Windows and Main door.. i don't think they banned or any penality for those who does it
[0:44 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: I am against dealth penality but not against the Life imprisonment
(Whole life..
But people say why do tax payers need to pay for his food . !
Let him work in prison earn money there. And if he works then only he can eat.. if not no)
[0:45 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: My question again is Death is only For Trafficking?
How about those consuming
?
No Imprisonment?
[0:46 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Simply sending them to rehab?
What actually is the Imprisonment for Those who take?
(Sorry i really have no idea on this.. as never read .. )
[0:47 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Often drugs paddlers themselves are also abusers!
[0:49 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Letterbox is the common and least obvious meeting point of transactions
[0:51 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Can you see the PYRAMID model of distributions...
Grab delivers... Pick up point A and deliver to point B...
From Point B, it transit from B to Z
Can you mind map it?
[1:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +~N: I don't understand why the market value of an older flat with larger area in a good location will be lower, when the cost/price of land is increasing
[1:01 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
"THC stands for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol or Ξ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Ξ-9-THC). It is a cannabinoid molecule in marijuana (cannabis) that's long been recognized as the main psychoactive ingredient."
[1:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Rama: Are there f and b being imported into Singapore with this on the packaging label!?
[1:04 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Based on what I know, they are tidbits in supermarkets.
Tourists buy this and bring back to the home country will be in trouble.
[1:13 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
In Thailand supermarket, not found in Singapore.
[1:15 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Correct and many CBD products have the THC removed.
[1:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Japan PM Fumio Kishida to address nation on shooting of former PM Shinzo Abe
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/japans-ex-pm-shinzo-abe-collapses-in-nara-shots-heard-nhk-says
[1:33 pm, 08/07/2022] +Rama: Shocking to happen in the country
[1:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Let today onwards be HIGHEST ALERT, please!
[1:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Safest place can become the dangerous place.... Old saying!
[1:36 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Kills a chick to teach the monkeys...?" ζιΈ‘ζη΄
[1:37 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Strategic locations plus strategic/specific leaders of a nation...
Be on highest alert!
[1:39 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Examples PM, DPM, MOD, CJ are strategic personnels.
[1:41 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Delivered smallest parcels, documents, envelopes must be examined!
Biohazard... Etc
[1:49 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Let us study the impact of drugs on our Society.
2. Drugs will not only affect the people who consume it, who once addicted, his/her whole lives will be ruined. Unable to live a normal life. His/her income will soon run out to feed his addiction and he/she will be unable to work.
In addition, drug addiction will also affect his/her whole family, who need to produce money to feed the addiction, wrecking the entire family.
The consequences of one addiction - is enormous on the whole family - not only the drug addicts.
3. When this is extrapolated - if many family have people who are addicted to drugs - the whole Society will be bogged down - with many people unable to work and study leading to an unproductive families, reduction in workforce, people to do NS - whereby we only have 3.5 million people ---- our whole Society and Economy will be wrecked ---- if drug addictions are allowed to go unabated.
4. Crime rate will shoot up - if more and more families are drag down by addictions unable to work - eg. robberies, theft for money to feed addiction if addicts are unable to work and earn income.
5. The consequences of drug addiction - impact not only the individual, but have an outsize influence on the famillies, the Society and the Economy as a whole.
6. Having understand the impact of drug addiction - then let us see how should we view the death penalty on drug traffickers?
7. To prevent drug from entering into our shores - we need to nip the bud of drugs coming in.
8. Hence our law need to be draconian - and make known to the World that any trafficking of drugs into Singapore - will be very harsh, a death penalty will be mandatory - whether it is a drug mule or drug kingpin.
This is to protect Singapore population from the outsize adverse impact of drug addiction on individuals, the families, the Society and the Economy as a whole.
9. Our population must resolutely support our Government facing enormous pressure from the World Amnesty exerted on our Government to forgo death penalty on drug trafficking --- in which the law is meant to protect each and everyone in Singapore from drug abuse.
10. Without question, I support the Government stand on death penalty for drug trafficking.
11. However, I will be a little concern if during crossing the immigration, bad people drop some drugs onto unsuspecting people's baggage without knowing and got caught.
Under such circumstances, death penalty will be unwarranted.
[2:09 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: it become a tidbits in supermkt, will ppl buy it consumed in the local and become addicts before coming back to Sgp?
[2:10 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Baring doctors professional view, I can imagine drugs are addictive.
Anyone who eat it will probably get hooked, I believe.
[2:10 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Starts digging (quietly) the arrived, the stayed-on and the arrivals"
- - annoymous
ICA working with ISD in identifying and shortlisting potential radicals or element of national threats!.
One, Profile to include FEMALE age 25yrs to 45 yrs arriving from Europe, Middle East and Central Asia or transiting from Asean nations past 60 days and previous 270 days of travel data. The median age, 35 yrs old for females and 38 years old for males.
Two, local lodgings can be hotel, motel or friend's home. How many pieces of luggage.
Three, purpose of visit or stay? Type of passport like biometrics or non biometrics. Holding more than 1 nation's passport.
Four, travel alone or with spouse or a few friends? Details of travelling parties, gender, age, nationality…
[2:11 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: π±π±π±
[2:11 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: π±π±
[2:29 pm, 08/07/2022] +Guillermo Cabeza: well said Danny !
[2:40 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: The war on drugs is a never ending story...
Where there are vices, there will be drugs! All goes hand in hand.
For the betterment of societies or communities or families - No Drugs Abuse, please!
[2:42 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Are our CNB and its enforcing agents overly stretch?
[2:45 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Yes, drug everywhere in the world. Once touched drug become addict and make them salve work as whore.
[2:47 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: I am coming to this point again.. as couldn't able to take this out of my mind as a mother...
Apart from Sending general letters about Drug abuse so far MOE never sent any thing pertaining to this.
If MOE tells us more that whats happening on ground as parents we Observe if behaviour changes or will put more effort to monitor and Counsell the children.
If No one tells despite few cases in Educational instituions, as a parent i wont be happy.
The children must know, so they will be on their guard
Also i just read in google About Punishments for consumption of drugs
Authoritied should highlight more about what Is the pusnishment for Taking drugs
And what is the punishment for keepimg Quiet if they have seen some one taking drugs!
(People who witness but ne…
[2:47 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, how about VAPING among our young generation?
Drugs have penetrated into our schools, VAPING too!
How to apprehend these vape sellers? What's the punishments besides fines, will the law UP the punishment?
[2:49 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Vaping i read its illegal
But I can see even some people do that while crossing road
(May be i am ignorant about these smoking things..)
[2:49 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Suma, good point raised.
Some students actually know things going on here and there. They simply don't bother!
As parents, try open discussions with your child and you may be surprise they will tell you more stuffs!
[2:49 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Vaping was sold in Malaysia.
It’s very heavy smoke than cigarettes. It’s case lump damage and deep harder breath.
[2:50 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Will the law enforce harder on VAPING? Or not so and let it be?
[2:51 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: I have see ppl use vaping smoking in indoor and outdoor however nobody is warning them or take against them illegal sell.
[2:52 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Vices are such a tricky business... Yet these vicers try all ways and means in beating the proper system of enforcement!
Sometime, we wonder if there are friendly polices and vicers?
[2:52 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: And one an aquataince tolf me in PUBS here people take weed!
And many people knew about it but no one cares!
(I heard only, as i never went to PUB, i dont know but i do know whole world pubs are the main places for these drugs consumption)
[2:53 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Does your recommendation to "(People who witness but never complain also get penality or something..)
Sometimes rules need to imposed on people to protect whole society" also apply to the person who said she "... I can see even some people do that while crossing road" but I assume, didn't report to the authorities as well? π³
[2:53 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Yes, Suma, you are correct again!
In nite spots, though not All have lobang for pills etc...
There are drinking girls selling pills or etc to male. customers
[2:54 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Vaping was sold in Malaysia.
It’s very heavy smoke than cigarettes. It’s case lung π« damage and deep harder breath.
[2:54 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Joseph,
Many people simply DON'T care and mind their own life and business...
There are some civic minded ones whom will report such lapses...
So it is a tough situation unlike road accidents
[2:54 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Again
Please do not compare drugs with Traffic accidents
[2:56 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Drug and vaping is case harmful health issue. If we don’t stop vaping there will be more and more unhealthy
[2:56 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Vietnam, Thailand, so on, Australia too
What's not here are HOTS elsewhere!
It all about degree of CONSERVATISM of a society and upbringing.
[2:56 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Totally difcerent.
If a Child is taking drugs
But Parents never tried to send rehab or complaint (or vice versa)
What will happen?
Just imposing Death penality On trafficing not going to solve the problem FULLY, if it Does no other person should die for this drug trafc
[2:56 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Singapore so close to Malaysia arrive caseway point
[2:57 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, you got it!
One thing leading ti more trying things...
From curiosity and peer pressure that's how vice and vicers target the vulnerables
[2:58 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: A must to REHAB children whom are drugs dependants.
These drugs will destroy a female reproductive system!
[2:58 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: As i mentioned earlier
I strongly believe without Cutting down the DEMAND, how much we do also no Use, the abusers find one way or the other to get what they need.
[2:58 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Not mere lungs... Human organs too, five major ones!
[2:59 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Let police handle, ppl can hide there are hard time for enforcement to check on them. We want target vice to vice
[2:59 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: It's tough to nimble and sniff all drugs out.... Even the narcotic dogs do missed at times!
[3:00 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Alcohol and Cigarettes are also drugs. How do you square that circle with your points?
[3:00 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Yupp! Civic minded people should also assist the police too.
We are their eyes, at times like letterbox drop-off....
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Alcohol and cigarettes don’t treat kind of crime
Even drug is more harmful and addict
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: My comment is to your 2 comments just 2min apart .. on the 1 hand you are recommending that people who don't report wrongdoing be penlaised .. on the other, you just kind of confessed that you witnessed illegal activities taking place, but (I assume) did not report to the police about it .... π
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: Yes i know
Thats why need to educated more and more
And MOE part is crusial
(And inform parents and Children if any incident happens, instead of keeping as seceret)
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: I reported π
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Degree of addictions and disruptions..
Alcohol can be nasty for family and family members to handle...
Cigarettes will burn one's money and damage one's health...
[3:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Sorry, I don't understand your comment. Can you please try to rephrase?
[3:02 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Hi "Smiley face" .... I am not talking about road accidents π
[3:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: I called Spf to report
Once i reported about a person who z taking upskirt photos at bus stop!
I am a person who can not tolerate such things
[3:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs in the world. Alcoholism wrecks (some) lives. I enjoy a beer and glass of wine, but control myself so I don't get drunk every night and end up losing my job.
[3:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: π
[3:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Good job, Suma...
[3:04 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: These days IMH, handles all sorts if mental illness from suicide, dementia to compulsive behaviors...
Overly stretched IMH!
[3:05 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Millions of people enjoy marijuana, in the same way I enjoy alcohol. We need to be careful how we label 'drugs' and differentiate 'dangerous' drugs from 'recreational' drugs, which I see as including Alcohol and Cigarettes
[3:05 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: And i after reporting i asked Officer, what happens if that person was not really doing any illegal thing..
They said its ok if you are suspicious about these things must inform
Its Police job to find out truth behind it.
I appreciate them.
[3:05 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Yep, agreed
[3:05 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Grass is highly addictive!
[3:05 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Well done! π
I suspect the SPF hates me as well.. because I also always give them extra work to do by reporting wrong doings that I witness... but almost every time, they would rather spend more time trying to convince me there is probably no wrongdoing, than to investigate.
[3:06 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: No case perhaps is the best case!
[3:06 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: It is legally consumed in many large cities, and those cities are still functioning. I'm not advocating we legalise it, I'm just saying we should classify drugs accordingly.
[3:07 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: I'm happy my kid is not exposed to many drugs and would be happier if he wasn't exposed to Cigarettes as well.
[3:07 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: It's contradictory to kill people for importing marijuana while endorsing importing tobacco
[3:08 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: HSA will classify.
HSA is the authority when drugs related sentencing happen. They will qualify and quantify drugs before the judge prior to the final verdict issued
[3:08 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: 1kg of refined tobacco versus 1kg of marijuna...
Let's start the value chain from here
[3:09 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Some countries classify by A B and C, where the penalties are harsher for A than C. I think Singapore just has 1 classification: prohibited or not
[3:09 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Let's not have either.
[3:10 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: One tips...
Big timer keeps cocaine inside the toilet flush... Why?
In case of CNB raid, just flush the toilet bowl to full flush!
That simple! To avoid the handrope!
[3:10 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: A morale question
More or lesser EVIL!
[3:11 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: One time, I reported Ponzi schemes to the SPF because I came across them openly canvassing for customers at MRT stations.. first, they were reluctant to even come to the location to question the suspects .. but grudgingly sent some junior NSF after I warned them that if they do nothing to stop these crooks, when it blows up, which it definitely will, then I will inform the media that I had reported the case to the SPF on date ddmmyy, to Officer "Lazyass" but he refused to take action, citing the reason that I could not prove that they are running a Ponzi ... in hokkien we call these jiak liao bee
[3:11 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: 20gm of coke, you are hanged!
[3:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/significant-increase-vape-cases-recent-years-hsa-steps-enforcement-2718246
[3:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Seems hypocritical to advocate banning marijuana while enjoying a cigarette. I'd say tobacco is more harmful because people can smoke 20-30 cigarettes a day.
[3:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: What is feeling so great about vaping than cigarettes?
[3:13 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Joseph hi,
There is an old CID saying, "the police will arrive only after the person has been hacked to death or that gang fights are over...."
Then case will be lodged and investigation will commence?
[3:13 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie.... The young ones feel CHILL...
Old saying, feels cool!
[3:14 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: I approached someone vaping here a few weeks ago. I thought maybe a tourist. Told them it's illegal and be careful. He said 'oh yea, right' and put it away.
[3:14 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Social and peer pressure...
Perhaps mixing with wrong friends?
[3:14 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Yes that’s kind of mixing bad company
[3:14 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: You are lucky, BL...
Some young guns will tell you off... Mind your business!
[3:17 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: I was very friendly and told him I didn't want him to get into trouble ππ
[3:17 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: As modern parents in this chaotic world of handphone and Internet....
Have a good relationship with your children... That's a good starting pont.
Or your child will choose friends over parents!
That's the end of the beginning of more problems ahead!
Treats your child like a kite (layang)... Pull or let loose once a while!
DO NOT PULL THIS STRING OR IT WILL BREAK!
[3:17 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Again, you lucky fellow!
[3:18 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Vaping case lung damage who going to pay treatment. The doctor said vaping don’t have specific medical treatment.
[3:21 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Previous and recent drugs case, advised CNB and volunteer as a mole to apprehend a syndicate - the "letterbox" group
Two months of continuous surveillance and reporting with timetable, photos and videos of vehicles movements and licence plate.
Three members will probabily be sentenced to the maximum!
[3:22 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Correct again... Yet the young ones still try...?
[3:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Parents or friend told them not to take. If he did then regretted
[3:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: School toilets, a first sign of drugs abuse.
Students chatting, the second source of pichar lobang!
Three, boasting thr easiest one to catch!
[3:25 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Idea is to QUIT sooner...
People make mistakes, some regrettable misjudgement!!
[3:26 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: OVERDOSE kills a life...
OVERTIME consumption of these toxic drugs will damage a female's womb!
For male, likewise too!
[3:27 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: FACT!
[3:28 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: It’s helpful sone ppl can’t
https://www.healthhub.sg/live-healthy/598/quittips
[3:29 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Nitelife and Nitelife works are common hazard, that us drugs!
[3:29 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Saw this today: https://www.shockya.com/news/2022/07/07/swissx-cbd-products-can-help-lower-high-blood-pressure-and-prevent-heart-disease/
[3:29 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Drug is the same an addict gamble is it?
[3:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: It all started with that marlboro man, that macho looks!
[3:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: CBD didn't exist in LKY days. He might have been quite positive about this!
[3:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Gamble lose money and destroy family end up bankrupt then he going suicide himself
[3:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Yup yup correct...
Kills matter if time and the intensity and propensity of one's wallet too!
[3:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: "Swissx also sells CBD crumbles, a concentrated cannabis extract that’s very potent, which helps provide its users with quick relief. The company’s highly rated pure OG Kush Crumble is a legal dab that’s made from premium Hemp flowers in Switzerland, and doesn’t include any THC. "
[3:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Vices of all sort!
"no vice, no Life, to some people... ?"
[3:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Gambling is another form of drug, exactly....
[3:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: There is another lots of people depending on VICES as an economics mean!
[3:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Many call it... Underworld people?
[3:33 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Drugs pushers can be humble, low profile and friendly folks...
Unlike those Hollywood big hunks!
[3:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Educated too!
[3:35 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Old CID saying, " keep a handful of bad guys to catch other bad ones...!"
[3:36 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Letting loose a long string of baits to catch a few big sized fishes "
- - *annoymous
[3:36 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Think like a vicer and you will catch more vicers!
[3:39 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: What are the NECESSARY EVILS in any society?
Which are the oldest vice trades?
[3:46 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Criminalising drug consumption alone most times does not eradicate the problem. In fact, more often than not, it drives the activity underground, giving rise to a new set of issues/problems.
While it is important to control/restrict the supply, it is even more important to look into what is causing/driving people towards the use of illicit drugs.
Just think about it... will you, for no rhyme or reason, just decide to take cocaine/heroin, knowing the dangers associated with addiction and damage it WILL bring?
Many times, these drugs are taken by people who are trying to escape the harsh realities/conditions of their everyday life. Of course, by the time they realise it is not really helping, they would already have become hooked on the drugs.
Criminalisin…
[4:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Conception and DNA"
When an egg and a sperm converged, a new cell is formed. The DNA from the egg and the sperms will naturally select and rewrite a new sets of DNA. This new cell multiples and gestate into a baby (human). This new born will have a combination of the earlier DNAs from the parents, that's Genetic!
These billions of DNAs messages include one's health, possible health hazards at a given time line, lifespan, physical measurements and mental psychosis too. A highly complex algorithm and biorhythm in developments.
Is your baby easily agitates or always in a state of calm though not totally quiet! The first three stages of baby development matters alot into the next 6 years of a child brcimings! Was either father or mother or both highly strung individual especially prior and the initial 9 months plus the next 5 years of this childhood?
The next time if your old friends tell you that your child behaves like your younger days, don't be alarmed, it's perhaps DNA in play! Can bad behavior be corrected? YES, through conditionings and proper environment!
How about chronic diseases? It may not be easy to overcome these medical challenges!
Further reading:
The Gene by Siddhartha Mukherjee
(Disclaimer on natural or unnatural selection of life)
[4:08 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Legalised simple thing like marijuna will create an economics of choice.
This choice can mean freedom to import this grass and free to consume 24/7.
Drug dealers will convert to importers. Walla! Coming out of the hidings!
In Amsterdam, you can consume grass 24/7 on the street cafe openly on the food menu. That's total liberalism in motion!
Is Singapore ready to open up to this grass?
Next perhaps liberalising the penal code 377A too?
Doable or not the right timing?
One sure thing, all parents will protest at the ballot boxes!
[4:15 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: An unnoticed area that is young athletics achieving more than their age group abilities..?
Can meant abuse of supplements or steroids, legal or illegal growth hormones that PROPELS performance, that's what the world of sports acknowledges as record breakers!
Is there a need to URINE TEST those record breakers for any foul plays?
[4:17 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: There is a finite metrics of physical abilities, possibilities and the impossibles... Let's be mindful of the human physical abilities!
That simple!
[4:20 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Very hard to do, esp considering our neighbours attitude. Was quite an eye opener to see Thailand not just changing their laws but they also handed out over 1 million canabis plants to encourage self-production!
[4:20 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Drugs for HIGHS!
Drugs for High Performance!
Drugs to stay ALERT!
THESE DAYS SUCH EXOTIC DRUGS TO TRY AND TO BUY! BE MINDFUL, THESE DRUGS MANUFACTURERS ARE CREATIVE LOTS AND CLEVER MARKETERS TOO!
Not your imagined typical uncle or auntie or Social friends pushing you on with drugs!
[4:21 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Not just Amsterdam now, many European countries, US and Canadian States. It comes with problems though, and problems that Singapore is not ready to deal with.
[4:22 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Thailand is an interesting one...
Buddhist based culture.
Can we agree Thailand like Amsterdam?
Afterall, Thailand bread and butter is TOURISM!
FYI, ALWAYS LIKE THAT!
[4:23 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: I'm not sure about the logic of prosecuting people who have consumed illegal drugs while they are abroad. That has nothing to do with importing and more about what's often called the 'Nanny State'
[4:23 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Of course... Amsterdam to illustrate the extreme liberalism towards life and human rights!
One can find big timers drug bosses there!
[4:23 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Big business for the importers?
[4:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: BL, the ICA has power to urine test suspected Singaporeans!
One telltale sign is BLOOD SHOT EYES!
[4:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Yup, SL!
Drug dealers converting to importers of grass and lifestyles pills too!
[4:25 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: There is two listed grass corporation from Canada!
Publicly listed!
[4:27 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Once, IF Singapore will to let it go... Perhaps will be game over, sooner!
Cannot, must not and will not!
[4:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Singapore has 5.86m population
I believe it’s a stronger safe and won’t game over. Everyday we live to work and enterprise.
[4:30 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Steroids legal used for sport athletics with nflammation, asthma and allergies. Exemption filled and acceptable in the arena
[4:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: More than economics, more than politics, a nation's culture will determine its fate. So says the man who built Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew. Lee is not optimistic that other nations can replicate East Asia's staggering growth. He is critical of the social breakdown that he sees in America: "The expansion of the rights of the individual has come at the expense of orderly society."
- - Lee Kuan Yew
Culture Is Destiny: A Conversation with Lee Kuan Yew
Fareed Zakaria and Lee Kuan Yew
Foreign Affairs
Vol. 73, No. 2 (Mar. - Apr., 1994), pp. 109-126 (18 pages)
Published By: Council on Foreign Relations
[4:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Performance enhancer drugs!
[4:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: What's legal steroids?
HSA knows only if urine and blood tests!
[4:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Wow
[4:33 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Perhaps wishlist of local drug dealers!
Wishful thinkings! Not this lifetime!
[4:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Drug dealer till no end.
[4:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Not the performance enhancer drugs. In oversea, Sport physicians prescribe corticosteroids
[4:35 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Forgo drug dealings is like forgiving molesters... Mere fines and short stay at changi prison!
How and what's the impact on abused females of any age groups?
[4:36 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Who is drug lord? No one else π€
[4:37 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: These are known drugs...
There are more enhancers to turbo charged the physical body and boost performances!
The next time watch those record breaking RESULTS and correlates to age group! Example 15 to 16 yrs group, 13 to 14 yrs... 17 to 18 Yr
[4:38 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, if anyone knows, he or she will be appointed MINISTER OF CATCHING & INFORMATION...
[4:41 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, big timer drugs dealer or Lords usually have legit business...
εεηΎθ，εεηθ
Old saying, " he built his successful empire by selling papers...?
- - annoymous
[4:42 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Legit business comes with legit ways to legalised one's dirty gotten monies! "
- - *annoymous
[4:44 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: "Go ask those old timers 4Ds and horses bosses... that's how they gotten many pots of gold from... Forgotten heros...?"
- - annoymous
[4:44 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Just saw NYSE and Nasdaq have similar investment counters
[4:45 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: You got it, the stock prices downed!
[4:46 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/short-reads/article/2173305/when-hong-kongs-most-notorious-drug-lord-limpy
He is the drug lord maybe what affect history in Singapore without articles.
[4:47 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Another bigger Ho....
[4:47 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: No comment, sorry!
[4:48 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: American index slightly up, tier 1 and tier 2 Canadian index up despite overall Canadian downed
[4:48 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Big timers comes with lawyers (llb) and accountants (cfa)!
[4:50 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Usually accountant hold ca or cpa. Cfa are mostly financial analyst for financial market
[4:53 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Big syndicate drugs groups have lawyers and accountant... Full set of talents!
Afterall is a business model!
Organised groups...
[4:54 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Watch those silent ones... 沑声η, ε¬ζ»δΊΊ!
"In life, when one knows too much, one's will just let it go and watch the world goes by ..! "
- - annoymous
[4:56 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Things are much more complex. Its beyond CNB or CID in combinations?
Just secures that 700 Sqkm to our best abilities! Watch the world rotates...
[4:57 pm, 08/07/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
CNA news say Abe has died.
[4:57 pm, 08/07/2022] +Rama: π²π―πππ€¦♂️
[4:58 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: Humans live in a complex world.
[4:58 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Sometimes, your big time BANKERS know....
The ordinary the extraordinary and the exceptionally fews....
For mathematics always tell the truth and human always play with that numbers, aka money!
[4:59 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: The illicit Weed sellers will have to switch product and/or change business model...
QC .. price transparency ... taxes .. consumer protection .. no more fighting/violence from turf wars
I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
Of course, this cannot immediately be applied to more hardcore drugs like heroin
[5:00 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Big timers DON'T store their drug money under the bed!
They are organised, efficient and savy investors...
Buy Euro bonds in hundreds of million euros?
- - annoymous
[5:00 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: The fact the the Dutch have been legalising Weed/Grass for so many years, surely we can easily do a comprehensive study of the impact of legalised Weed/Grass vs. the impact on countries that criminalises it
[5:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: they need to launder the cash first lah
[5:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Starts asking about their policymakers!
[5:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Launder is a low method!
[5:02 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Creative invoicing, creative accounting and creative inter companies structures!
[5:02 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Launder is the process of "legitimising" illegal proceeds .. its not the process but the ends ...
[5:02 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Buy that $100 million shop?
[5:02 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: that all falls under laundering
[5:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: even the Thai disco/"hang-flower" shops .. and crypto, esp Monero
[5:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Textbook term... Lauder
[5:03 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Make Money laundering is illegal.
[5:04 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Let's go back to 1908!
[5:04 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: and for the longest time, Singapore's 2 casinos ? (my guess... not insisting its a fact) ... and property
[5:04 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: 1908 π¨
[5:06 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Don't touch these sacred cows....
No comment...
[5:06 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: π
[5:10 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Ooen societies and secret societies...
They are all societies!
Go read Soros idealogy.
A legit powerboat needs to coexist with both societies!
Is like daytime going out with this proper office lady and nite time dating that playful girl!
This way, the legit power base will truly REACH out to things as and when the power base needs help or infor...
That simple!
[5:12 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: For the proper lady doesn't know how to do some nasty jobs however, the playful ones will do it anytime, day or nite!
Power base!
[5:13 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Open society vs Secret society
[5:19 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Joseph hi,
Something might interest you...
The higher the COE or property, the better for money laundering!
"One small bag of cash versus one car load of cash to unload? "
- - annoymous
[5:21 pm, 08/07/2022] +SL: https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2021/12/20/former-chinese-official-admits-to-money-laundering-scheme-tied-to-purchases-of-monterey-park-real-estate/amp/
[5:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Big auction houses know the game, they have been playing for decades!
The next painting goes hammered for billion, don't drop one's jaw!
[5:24 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Passing parcel games!
[5:26 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: MAS has stopped printing $10k and stopped the $1k notes from circulation!
These $10k notes are in kept all over this world and can be very close to us too!
A suitcase of $10k notes versus a suitcase of $100 notes?
Ask those bankers, please!
[5:27 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: $10k and $1k note dollars can’t be use buy and sell
[5:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3184130/canada-diplomats-denied-access-tycoon-xiao-jianhuas-china-trial
[5:38 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, technically you are correct!
One, these notes can be exchanged at all local banks. Must deposit into an account, IC and serial numbers will be recorded and reported to MAS.
Two, should you hold a $10k note, the secret society will pay more than its legal tendered value, say pay you $11k for it. Likewise for legal lottery winnings like toto and big sweep, the big prizes can be exchanged for higher value say 10% above the winning amount by discreet lobang.
Three, money never discriminates. People do!
Hope you see it deeper...
[5:39 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: π€
[5:41 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: No comment...
[5:42 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Pacific Islands passport can be obtained for US$20k.
It is a legit document to open a banking account. Fyi..
Ask your bankers for more details...
[5:44 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Fact, once money is put into a trust funds... Perhaps that's the end of the money trail!
That simple!
[5:48 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: depends ... not as easy to hide anymore π€
[5:49 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: That's the trick!
Every business has it bags of tricks....
"One needs to be brilliant to make the billion...? "
- - annoymous
[5:50 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: proxy boys and girls!
[5:50 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Not anymore.... Nowadays you have to prove the source of your Ah Gong's Ah Gong's wealth before you can open an account. ... and even after the account is opened, you can get questioned if you send in $ that exceeds what the bank deems "reasonable" given your (previously proven) profile
[5:51 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: What's is legit?
Means one plays by the books...
[5:51 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: questioned if you have a track record and good relationship with the bank... otherwise, you might be reported to the authorities quietly and may have the $ frozen
[5:52 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: legit and prove that it is really legit .. the process has swung to the other extreme ,,, that much I can confirm
[5:53 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: What if these organised syndicates have been around last 65 years....
What is legit to them?
A walk in the park, life goes on until IMPLOSION arrives?
[5:54 pm, 08/07/2022] +Joseph: Most of them would have cleaned up their act
[5:55 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Most...
Some have to continue the legacy because of ...
Open society vs Secret society and the power base
[6:18 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: Former Japan PM Abe dies after being shot, gunshot wound 'deep enough to reach the heart'
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-dies-six-hours-after-being-shot-at-rally
[6:19 pm, 08/07/2022] +Frankie Wee: Rip
[6:20 pm, 08/07/2022] +Suma pamu: So Sad...
[6:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +Smiley face: A start of more complex geopolitics ahead, hopefully it will be war of words and not turning into tick for tac and real war!
Highest alert!
[6:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Off subject, but one of my most embarrassing experiences in Singapore is that a Cartoon with two Cartoon Characters kissing is rated NC16, because the Cartoon Characters are same-gender
[6:31 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: I mean, really....
[6:32 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: We are that scared if same-gender relationships that we have to rate a cartoon, designed for kids, as only suitable for 16+
[6:34 pm, 08/07/2022] +BL: Because of a kiss. Wow, what's happened to us.
[6:46 pm, 08/07/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
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Goodnight!
Megan π
[7:01 pm, 08/07/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
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