REACH 128 - Strenghten social safety net and reshape education system (SK)
26 Aug 2020 (2pm - 8pm)
REACH
[11:33 am, 26/08/2020] +: Scores of China-bound Scoot passengers turn up at Jurong centre for compulsory Covid-19 testing
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/guangzhou-bound-passengers-turn-up-for-last-minute-covid-19-testing-after-requirements
[12:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: $82 million lost through top 10 scams in first half of 2020, double the amount from a year ago
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/82-million-lost-through-top-10-scams-in-first-half-of-2020-double-the-amount
REACH
[12:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Dear contributors,
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REACH
[12:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢
How do you feel about the measures to strengthen Singapore's social safety net and reshape the education system?
Singaporeans hit hard by the Covid-19 crisis will continue to get support from the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF), which will be reviewing and strengthening the country's social safety nets.
The MSF's agenda includes: reaching out to people with disabilities and their caregivers, encouraging family-friendly practices such as flexible work and work-from-home arrangements, and adopting a more preventive approach and better rehabilitative methods to help youth-at-risk and offenders.
The MOE will also continue its move to shift away from an academics-focused approach, by pouring more resources into helping students de…
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Rama
[12:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We have to strive harder to plug those who have fallen through the safety net in spite of increase coverage. Criteria for funding need to be expanded beyond current qualification.
[12:35 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Minister Indranee has mentioned this in past parliamentary sittings.
Valli
[12:47 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Like what China is doing, Why can’t Spore enforce all non-Singaporeans incoming travellers to have a Covid-19 test declaration done before arriving in Spore.
Rama
[12:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Exactly!?
[12:52 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-tianjin-china-scoot-migrant-workers-cases-13051044 Time-based discharged. My analysis is correct.
[12:53 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
CNA
12 of 14 workers on Scoot flight from Singapore to Tianjin who tested positive for COVID-19 were 'no longer infectious': MOH
By Davina Tham
25 Aug 2020 07:52PM (Updated: 25 Aug 2020 08:00PM)
MOH said on Tuesday in response to CNA queries that 12 of the 14 workers have recovered. It added that these workers may continue to shed viral fragments for "weeks or even months" after infection, which may lead to positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test results.
"However, there is no evidence to suggest that these remnant viral fragments are infectious, and studies so far have failed to culture viable virus from these patient samples, indicating that these individuals are no longer infectious and are thus safe for travel," the health ministry said.
Singapore is in contact with Chinese authorities for further information about the remaining two cases, and investigations are ongoing.
Singapore's discharge process for COVID-19 patients is "robust", and the guidelines are "more stringent" than those recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), said MOH.
According to a time-based discharge criteria adopted by MOH, COVID-19 patients in Singapore who are assessed to be clinically well by day 21 of the illness can be discharged. The new criteria was announced by Health Minister Gan Kim Yong on May 28.
COVID-19 patients who are discharged under the new criteria will have to remain at home or at dormitories for another seven days before they can return to work after day 28 of their illness, Mr Gan had said.
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[1:27 pm, 24/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore adopt time based discharged after 28 days of infection if my memory serves me correctly.
So even though a test may reveal the virus, they are no longer infectious.
This is in line with WHO endorsement.
I think we need to get more information from China authority and synch with our tests on these few infected people - before we jump into conclusion.
[1:30 pm, 24/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If I am not wrong, China did not adopt the time based discharged WHO recommendations.
Singapore, Germany and some other countries adopted it.
[1:32 pm, 24/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Time based discharged is discovered by Singapore and seconded by Germany and subsequently confirmed and endorsed by WHO.
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[12:56 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/china-suspends-etihad-airways-shanghai-route-from-august-24-13050776
[12:57 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Scoot airline flight to China is not suspended because China buy our points if time based discharged.
Etihad airways is banned.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: And you still want your ringfence?
[12:57 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes ring-fence should still go ahead
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Caleb
[1:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: already have. https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/china/rgl/requirements-and-process
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: You constantly mention MICE but ignored what I said about how there's absolutely no physical events in the transport sector (as far as I know) apart from one scheduled in Austria
Did you know that the Singapore International Transport Congress & Exhibition (SITCE) scheduled for this October has been cancelled?
LTA hasn't even made plans for it to either go virtual or cancel it completely, it's all on hold for now
How do you suppose anyone can come with a ringfence to MICE events when there's absolutely no MICE events to attend?
Caleb
[1:02 pm, 26/08/2020] +: can MOH website stop displaying this text. We everyday also can see
We are aware of scam calls and emails impersonating MOH officers. When in doubt, please verify the authenticity of phone calls and emails by calling MOH hotline at 1800-333-9999.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I disagree. People are still generally dumb when it comes to scam, better to leave the banner alone.
Caleb
[1:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: people will auto skip that part
[1:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: lol
[1:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: maybe my handphone not big enough
[1:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: cover more then half my screen liao
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:06 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Now that's something you'd rather not receive more than once
Ben
[1:06 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I didn't even have a flight booked and this is what Scoot sent me.... each email had the booking reference !
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It's the erroneous email meant for the Guangzhou flight right?
Ben
[1:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😂
REACH
[1:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Over 6,300 jobs, training roles on offer in manufacturing sector, 4 in 5 are for PMETs: MOM
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/manpower/over-6300-jobs-training-roles-on-offer-in-manufacturing-sector-4-in-5-are-for
Ben
[1:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes. No idea how I got on that list. Hopefully not too many security and data protection rights were breached....
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: News say no data breach so far but better to assume it's just damage control
[1:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/scoot-no-data-breach-in-e-mails-mistakenly-sent-for-guangzhou-flight
Here
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[1:19 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Education, skill training, certifications will help to uplift lower income group to higher income group, a levellers of social mobility.
But as disruptive tech disrupt jobs and render skills learn obsolete, skillfuture will have to supplement skill training.
Skillfuture will need to be institutionalised - to be accepted by the government, industries and organisations as the mainstream training programme to secure a job.
Rama
[1:24 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Need understanding from SNEF, SME and the various chambers of commerce on how they view potential employees and current ones who have constantly used skills future to upgrade and advanced their work related skills. Or is it purely academic results!?
Valli
[1:26 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Then what is the reason for the increase in imported cases?
Caleb
[1:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: the got the virus after the test lor
[1:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: or a few days before the test, but when tested it will not be detected
[1:27 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Tripartite Government, Union and Employers need to institutionalise and agreement must be make to recognise skillsfuture as a mean of anchoring jobs with the organisation.
Eg. Recognise workers transportable softskills, previous job experiences plus skillsfuture cert.
Caleb
[1:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: then the test is only 95% accuracy
REACH
[1:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 5 malls found to have breached fire safety rules after COVID-19 access control measures introduced
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/five-malls-breach-fire-safety-covid-19-access-control-scdf-13054006
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Well that's ironic
Rama
[1:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree
[1:33 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
To give an example, a non IT guy take a cert exam eg. MSCP, CCNP, CCIE, CISSP, VCP, VTSP etc - a 3 month training in skills future - then they are certified as Microsoft system professional, Cisco network professional or experts or VMware system professional or sales tech professional.
Then they can use these certificates and land them a job even though their previous job is a non IT jobs.
Does this make sense?
Stella
[1:37 pm, 26/08/2020] +: They can put barrier from inside without lock. Cannot put lock from outside. They can go to other malls to see how it is executed. In case got fire, people can run out.
Rama
[1:37 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I hope so !
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:38 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Oh how safety compromises... you guessed it, safety!
Ken
[1:38 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Cause there is so many format hard to set a standard to review. Much harder then upfront degree.
But those skills are in high demand hence they really don’t care if they have prior experience.
[1:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Just like people here can work in various jobs. Although not related totally. They willing to take in cause not much choice 😅
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I agree with Ken, organisations need to look away from "prior experience" - if their candidates have interest or even better, passion, they should take attention and consider those people
Rama
[1:40 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes
Ken
[1:40 pm, 26/08/2020] +: If we are not from that field, is really hard to tell if the place they get from is legit.
We have hard time identifying degree, certifications are even harder. Too many issuing body.
[1:40 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Or a non-IT guy go for a 3 month basic, intermediate or advanced course on python programming coding course in skillfuture and produce a job-base project.
Then he should receive a python programming cert and land him a job as python programmer.
Ken
[1:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes which our local guys won’t do it, or even apply for a low level job 😅
[1:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Expect company to pay for the training
[1:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I go for certification myself. Paying $2k
[1:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Got an auditor job easily
[1:42 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why tripartite agreement between govt, union and employers on certificates issued by skillfuture is paramount.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I've seen too many LTA job listings requiring "prior experience"
While I may not officially have "experience", no one can disprove my knowledge and contributions and... capability, right?
Organisations need to open up
And for those high demand jobs with low supply of HR, doesn't hurt if the person doesn't have the "prior experience" if they are willing to do the job anyway, or even better have the interest/passion for it
Rama
[1:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes
Ken
[1:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: ISO auditor certification if you study enough quite easy to pass
Desmond Koh
[1:44 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Erm... u can’t achieve the above in 3 months...
REACH
[1:44 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Singapore's manufacturing output declines 8.4% in July
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/singapore-edb-july-manufacturing-performance-13054234
Desmond Koh
[1:44 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Don need a py cert to do PY la...
Is all about testing
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I have a classmate who tried to take CCNA, with no experience, gave up in less than a month
[1:45 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
I achieve some of the certificate in less than a month.
Ken
[1:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: My 3 cert for iso 5 days each lol
Really depends on the person
Desmond Koh
[1:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +:
Which one?
You gave example of non-IT guy ma...
To give an example, a non IT guy take a cert exam eg. MSCP, CCNP, CCIE, CISSP, VCP, VTSP etc - a 3 month training in skills future - then they are certified as Microsoft system professional, Cisco network professional or experts or VMware system professional or sales tech professional.
Desmond Koh
[1:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Same same but different, I only point out if a non IT guy, not easy to achieve all in 3 months...
[1:47 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not all.
Just anyone.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:47 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I agree with Desmond, do we have a pre-course test to understand one's prior experience/proficiency?
Desmond Koh
[1:48 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Haha then most likely MCP only la...
[1:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: CCNP n CCIE is network
CISSP is security
VCP & VTSP is product
[1:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: So same same but different, need to know which IT track to go
Alvin
[1:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Perfect answer
[1:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Don’t generalize IT
[1:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It’s too vast to know everything
Ken
[1:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yah that’s why those specialize paid so high
[1:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😅
Alvin
[1:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It’s possible for cross specialization
[1:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I’ve seen some guru know storage, db and network
[1:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Very very very rare
[1:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: They can troubleshoot end to end
[1:51 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Just one IT project - will require all the skills set in network, security, virtualization.
Desmond Koh
[1:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: IT to non-IT people is indeed too vast, and it'll be too costly to take every course
I doubt anyone will be static at one job type for long
[1:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: So u saying the poor non-it guy have to know all the above to be successful? 😂
[1:52 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Without all the above skills set, no need to do and deploy the IT project.
[1:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: So you have?
[1:53 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
He or she just need to do get one cert and work as junior engineer.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:53 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I really wondering what exactly your background is that you think everyone can be as capable as you sia
Alvin
[1:54 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Project Manager? :3
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Junior engineer also known as Assistant engineer right?
Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Orh no wonder he's a "Pro"
[1:55 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
Ken
[1:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Those are non degree grad so don’t pay so high one
[1:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: As compare to degree IT
[1:56 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not true.
[1:57 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Degree IT land you an entry pay.
This professional cert also land you a professional pay.
They are almost comparable.
Ken
[1:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Oh?
[1:58 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Some cert are super hard to pass they can do by just study? 😅 without a degree?
[1:59 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
But degree IT can progress upward faster - eg in technical solution architect, CTO, in management project management, IT managers etc.
A professional cert are normally techie staff.
[1:59 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
You go internet - so many practical material.
Alvin
[2:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: If I have to compare between a freshie with CCNA cert and an experience network engineer. I just ask a few questions will know who is worth to be hired liao.
[2:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sometimes cert doesn’t really help
Rama
[2:01 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree
[2:01 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
It all depends on the individual.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:02 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Look away from paper qualifications
[2:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: This is basically why the LTA suffers from brain drain, has so many job openings but so few candidates
The entire country needs to look away from paper qualifications and look more into experience and knowledge
Alvin
[2:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Totally agree
[2:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: There was one engineer who was CCNA certified. I ask him to give me an example of Class C IP he couldn’t say. Ask him if switch could be a router he say no. I know he’s either lying his cert or didn’t touch network for long time.
Jimmy Chew
[2:06 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I hope the authorities should take a consultative approach to improve Rather than impose. Imposing fines is a no brainier a child can do it. It requires expert intelligence to resolve issues
[2:06 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Not very very rare.
Some can do it in large scale IT project - very experienced one.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:06 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I'm the latter hahaha I actually forgot a lot of my NSA stuff, but think I will retouch on TCP/IP in my current course as the final cert
[2:08 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Aliyah. Ccna basic cert.
Class c 192.x
Layer 3 switch is both a switch and a router lah.
Alvin
[2:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: See you also know
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sheesh this is not an opportunity for you to show off
Alvin
[2:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: How can a CCNA guy not know?
[2:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hence don’t over emphasis on cert
[2:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We need technical people
[2:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: And technical ppl might not be highly stacked with certain
[2:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: *certs
[2:10 pm, 26/08/2020] +: What I would consider is the attitude. And how fast the person can pick up new skills.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:11 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I'd prefer OJT over learning something then forgetting almost 90% of it
Rama
[2:14 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree
Alvin
[2:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Totally agreed. More opportunities must be given to those who don’t have certs and ojt is a good way for training newcomers to competency.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:16 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hell yes, skill currency is much more important than those toilet paper in my not so humble opinion!
Desmond Koh
[2:17 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I disagree... go and see how GDS and thoughtworks hire
[2:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I guess u got CCIE all 6 track? 😆
[2:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Ok la... is not show off but sharing his knowledge 🙃
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hahaha here's a railly funny joke
Maybe he derailed 🤭
Franco
[2:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: for professional work, a basic degree is necessary, then coupled with ojt. Tats my view towards professionals at work.
Desmond Koh
[2:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 💯
I have 2 colleagues, with economics as their first degree but doing full stack developer jobs...
Alvin
[2:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 👏🏻👍🏻
Desmond Koh
[2:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: A huge portion only usable on-prem
If u don know, 80% of govt system is going to cloud by 2023...
Desmond Koh
[2:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: U damn bad lei
Alvin
[2:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: He has good training!
Choo choo!!
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: As someone who got looked down by other transport professionals because I am not in the industry blablabla, you would understand why I want people to look away from paper qualifications!
Franco
[2:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: profession....as referring to medical doctors, Accountants, lawyers, engineers, architects etc.....cos we can't have someone who just based on their experiences from the pugulistic world...haha...and in practice.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:24 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Well I sure as hell did not need to use PTV software to tell my primary school to build a pick up/drop off (PUDO) point to ease congestion on the road outside
[2:26 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Cloud so many type - AWS, Salesforce, Google, HP, Orange, VMWare, IBM etc.
Some organisation need private cloud, some still stick back to traditional network infrastructure, Telco and data center will still require all the traditional network design and infrastructure.
Jimmy Chew
[2:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yeah that pure logic 🤣 but if you want to advise the school to build another storey or a building. Having a degree in engineering or architecture sure will convince them easily 😀
[2:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Because you would have done your due diligence we can't discount qualifications too
Desmond Koh
[2:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Not I say one hor, this article said de hor
In late 2018, the Government announced a five-year plan to migrate most of its information technology (IT) systems from on-premise infrastructure to the commercial cloud to speed up the delivery and improve the quality of services for citizens and businesses here.
https://www.tech.gov.sg/media/technews/doubling-down-on-cloud-to-deliver-better-government-services
Jimmy Chew
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Until there is a cloud security breach 🤣
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Anyway it's fun, a new frontier to explore
Alvin
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It’s here already
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Haha
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
But all require knowledge in network, security, WAN, LAN, cloud, system, platform, OS, security, virtualization, database, firewalls, vpn etc
The knowledge of routing, switching, security, is etc are still needed.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Not when I was a primary school student though - but at least that contributes to my track (pun intended) record of contributions to land transport!
Desmond Koh
[2:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Risk already calculated, that’s why only
Since then, it has moved more than 150 systems classified “restricted” and below to the commercial cloud. This year, over $870 million of contracts have been earmarked to double the number of systems on the commercial cloud
Desmond Koh
[2:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: What? Haha
Jimmy Chew
[2:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We have the best MPs hopefully they are really super and not like some countries just hot air and apologies
Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: On-premise is definitely much more secure
I think other organisations opt for cloud storage because their on-premise locations can be vulnerable to natural disasters
CQ
[2:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: But no one ask for apology........ 🙊
Alvin
[2:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Gcloud lor lol
Ken
[2:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Who dare? 🤣
Alvin
[2:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes still needed but only for the core. You don’t need a network engineer when you are using AWS
Desmond Koh
[2:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: no more liao
Alvin
[2:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😱
[2:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Gone? How come?
Desmond Koh
[2:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: haha ask the Singtel / NCS people lor
[2:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: is a known thing in the industries
Leonard Lau
[2:54 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Some point back to Govtech woh
Caleb
[2:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: @+ I wonder does HDB still spray this now. By now the spray effect no more already. https://www.gov.sg/article/how-are-public-spaces-being-kept-clean-during-this-period
+ left
Desmond Koh
[2:56 pm, 26/08/2020] +: haha lets just say, user is the client, govtech is the main contractor, Singtel is the sub con..
Alvin
[2:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 🤭
[2:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I left NCS sometime back :3
[2:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It was a big thing back then haha
[2:57 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
But if you run the AWS data centre, the cloud has to be hosted in servers, switches, routers, firewall, SAN storage, database etc.
Desmond Koh
[2:58 pm, 26/08/2020] +: huh? sorry we don run a AWS data center... tooo poor liao
[2:59 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Then it is a different story.
[2:59 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
At least you still have the government data center.
Alvin
[2:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes but only the Cloud provider need to hire these ppl
Desmond Koh
[2:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/data-center/data-centers/
Alvin
[2:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The client who uses these services don’t need
[3:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hence you need less network engineers
[3:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Even if you need them, it will be those telco level type of engineers
Ken
[3:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Job will keep evolving... so need to open up to learn new skills
[3:01 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If not how your sgnet works?
[3:02 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Then learn cloud, router mpls, VPN, WiFi, system os, San storage, web platform, security like firewall, VPN, authentication system etc.
Desmond Koh
[3:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😂 if you think is that then is that lor
[3:08 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Of course.
That's is where your private hosting is and your private cloud is.
Desmond Koh
[3:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: nope is not haha
[3:21 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
You don't have to say yes or no.
I have my sources to check and no need to verify here in the public forum.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Ah, marah lagi
Desmond Koh
[3:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: haha you happy can liao :)
I hope your sources if from Keng Leong haha
[3:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: if you even know who is he
[3:24 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Why leak info. here?
Desmond Koh
[3:25 pm, 26/08/2020] +: is on SGDI... where got leak? haha
[3:25 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ok. Stay safe
Desmond Koh
[3:26 pm, 26/08/2020] +: is angsty la
+65 8127 0476 left
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hahaha angry and angsty!!
[3:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Then the entire face ang ang 😡
Desmond Koh
[3:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://www.imda.gov.sg/news-and-events/Media-Room/archived/ida/Media-Releases/1997/20050726122310
SGNet is the network infrastructure component of the Government Information Infrastructure (GII). that provides the connection between all government agencies, as well as the interface to external organisation such as business partners and public users. It is the link between the providers and users of information services.
[3:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: is a network infra, not a private cloud at all..
[3:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: ok bye, back to my meetings haha
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Thank you for your time here Desmond hahaha see you in the next Danny vs Desmond argument 😆
Desmond Koh
[3:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: passionate discussion la 😇
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Too much fire 🔥 🤣
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Lol! Wow.... The chat explode sia
Boon
[3:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 👍😊
REACH
[3:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 60 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, including 3 in the community
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-aug-26-imported-community-worker-dorms-13053742?cid=telegram_cna_social_28112017_cna
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Your first time here meh HAHA
CQ
[3:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: not the first time lah, but you don't get this everyday! 🤣
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Every few weeks hahaha
CQ
[3:35 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah lor, so actually not that often!
[3:37 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
No web hosting in sgnet?
REACH
[3:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: More beauty services jobs for locals in next 5 years, says industry alliance as it launches new competency framework
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/beauty-services-jobs-facial-nails-eyebrows-competency-framework-13054346
Desmond Koh
[3:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://www.developer.gov.sg/technologies/content-management/content-website-platform
[3:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +65 9181 1570: https://www.meetup.com/STACK-X-by-GovTech-Singapore/events/272650920
@☸️ Danny 心 sign up if interested :)
[3:41 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Cannot imagine sgnet are just switch, router, firewall without web hosting, database and San storage.
Sgnet exchange is more than that.
CQ
[3:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: hmm... not sure if this is the kind of jobs that would even appeal to locals though. the report says 40% are locals, but personal limited experience is that manicurist Malaysian, hairstylist Malaysian/Japanese, facial therapist also Malaysian... I hardly encounter any locals
Desmond Koh
[3:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 👆
not i say de lei... u can question IMDA :)
Alvin
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The network engineer they need will be those level 3 specialist. This is what the Head of Network Infra from an International Bank told me when I was looking for a network level 3 specialist for him. “Alvin what I want is not a driver who has license for a car. What I’m looking for is a car mechanic. A driver can not repair the car but a mechanic can do both.”
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Is Govtech part of Imda?
Ken
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😅 what kind of question is that?
Alvin
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Wait
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Are we still on sgnet?
Stella
[3:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It is good to agree to disagree in this chat so that we see each other's points.
Ken
[3:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: GovTech not sg one?
Alvin
[3:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Lol
[3:43 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Govtech run GDC.
Imda is another entity.
Rama
[3:44 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 'Everyone else is wearing, why I still have to wear?' Drunk man arrested after refusing to wear mask, cursing at SMRT staff:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/everyone-else-wearing-why-i-still-have-wear-drunk-man-arrested-after-refusing-wear-mask?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
[3:45 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Sgnet is in GDC.
CQ
[3:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: wah, sovereign! 😆
Rama
[3:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Number 3!?
Ken
[3:45 pm, 26/08/2020] + GDC not ST?
[3:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://www.sttelemediagdc.com/locations/singapore
Blue and White Flag Guy
[3:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I'm sorry but didn't you share this already?
That's Circle Line, not NSL
Rama
[3:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Woman fined for co-hosting ‘frivolous’ social gathering of 18 during circuit breaker https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/woman-fined-co-hosting-frivolous-social-gathering-18-during-circuit-breaker?cid=telegram_tg-single_social-free_26012019_today#.X0YTUrBJKpw.whatsapp
[3:46 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
GDC is gov data center.
[3:47 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Run by Govtech not Imda.
REACH
[3:48 pm, 26/08/2020] +: [Sent by Gov.sg – 26 Aug]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 60 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Based on investigations so far, there are 3 cases in the community (1 Singaporean, 2 Work Pass holders).
In addition, there are 10 imported case who had been placed on Stay-Home Notice upon arrival in Singapore.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh26augupdate
[3:48 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If GDC is removed, private hosting will be a security breach.
Not all govt hosting can go onto commercial cloud.
[3:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: i cannot haha,
let me point you to these, please:
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/singapore-ida-mda-to-merge-for-more-holistic-approach-to-ict-and-media
Govtech was part of IDA and was split out to do the technical work, while IMDA & MDA was merged to do policy work..
[3:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: https://opengovasia.com/singapores-gcio-on-his-focus-for-2016-and-the-role-of-the-cio-in-singapores-smart-nation/
OpenGov reached out to Chan Cheow Hoe, Government Chief Information Officer, Assistant Chief Executive (Government Chief Information Office), Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore, to get his take on the current ICT landscape in Singapore and how the role of the CIO has evolved over the years.
[3:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Government Chief Digital Technology Officer/Deputy Chief Executive
CHAN Cheow Hoe
https://www.sgdi.gov.sg/ministries/pmo/statutory-boards/govtech/departments/dceo
[3:51 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Ok I could be outdated.
I rest my case.
[3:52 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
So sgnet now is just network exchange without hosting.
Stella
[4:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Passionate discussion leads to clarification 👍
Blue and White Flag Guy
[4:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It's only because one of them acknowledges their mistake 🤭
Stella
[4:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Aiyoh why u like tat. He just not updated, not mistake.
[4:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It takes a real man to acknowledge stuff like that.
[4:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: And he is MAN enough. So kudos
CQ
[4:10 pm, 26/08/2020] +: i actually haven't encountered a guy who's prepared to acknowledge when i've gotten things right (not here lah), maybe because i zhabor
Stella
[4:12 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Oh yes, gender sometimes plays a part.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[4:13 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The only MAN I know is truck and bus company lah
Stella
[4:13 pm, 26/08/2020] +: And u are a good man too. U help your mother carry grocery.
CQ
[4:14 pm, 26/08/2020] +: have to what! ah boh asian mothers will scold you until chao-tao 🤣
Stella
[4:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: A lot of boys/ men have selective hearing capabilities
CQ
[4:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stella
[4:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Can be totally deaf when necessary
[4:16 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Trained by grandmother, mother and wife
CQ
[4:16 pm, 26/08/2020] +: it reminds me of this radio advert: "Hear only the good things"
Stella
[4:16 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Also get the best mentorship of survival from grandpa, dad and older siblings
[4:17 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😂🤣
CQ
[4:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah, they can form 1 table at the coffeeshop downstairs
Stella
[4:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Some managers not MAN enough, so they hire subordinates who are not the top candidates but candidates who are most likely not going to outshine them and possibly take over their rice bowl
CQ
[4:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: i think the closest i've ever gotten to an acknowledgement that i got a position right and he got it wrong was a "hm ok", then turn to another guy and went "yah so as i was saying right..." and totally repeated my point as his own
Stella
[4:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: That happens all the time 😂🤣
CQ
[4:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah i know right??!!!! so that was the closest i've ever gotten to an acknowledgement. most of the time its
[4:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: *it's just fight all the way and insist he must be right
Stella
[4:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Oh yes and other man might even join in to protect their bros
Rama
[4:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes
CQ
[4:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah. and then when you provide "evidence", they go "no way! how can this be the position?? this is totally WRONG!!!" yah, you go fight with the Court of Appeal lor.
Rama
[4:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Side stepping!?
[4:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😃😅😂
Blue and White Flag Guy
[4:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: How did this become MAN to MANager 😆
CQ
[4:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 🤣🤣🤣 this pun is right down my alley!!! 👍🏻
Ken
[4:29 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Is for those know they can no longer go up they keep those lousy one so they shine
[4:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: For those that want to aim high will make the team like a dream team
[4:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The person need to able to take over you in order for you to move up that is what I believe
Desmond Koh
[4:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: this is a better jab on scoot....
Blue and White Flag Guy
[4:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: A bit uncalled for hor
Desmond Koh
[4:31 pm, 26/08/2020] +: abit distaste
Stella
[4:31 pm, 26/08/2020] +: U sound like a good man too
Ken
[4:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Cause still looking up till I know I reached my limit yah.. then time to keep minions 🤣🤣
Stella
[4:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Ooi, cannot call people minions lah
CQ
[4:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah lor, later they complain you to HR leh
Ken
[4:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We all are... just work and go home no dream just earn and be normal. And raise kids
[4:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Just how big minions only 🤣🤣 everyone is minions no matter how big there is one boss on top
Stella
[4:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sounds so sad
Ken
[4:35 pm, 26/08/2020] +: When we no longer productive you think company will keep us around?
CQ
[4:35 pm, 26/08/2020] +: that's a totally accurate description though.....
Stella
[4:35 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Boss, also must listen to shareholders
CQ
[4:36 pm, 26/08/2020] +: small shareholders must listen to majority shareholders...
Stella
[4:37 pm, 26/08/2020] +: In the good old days, people look forward to 10 years service awards, 15 years service awards... Then company put older less speed efficient staff to train newbies. Less money but respected. Now many people not even full time, contract renewable yearly
[4:38 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The gist of whole discussion is :-
Skillfuture if institutionalise correctly by the tripartite agreement through government, union and employers - based on the above listed certs., Experience and correct attitude and aptitude - can transform another industry job disrupted by disruptive tech into a new PMETs job through skillfuture cert recognise by the Industry - and yet can reap good salary without a big drop in salary.
The above robust discussion is to illustrate real life scenario that this can be done.
It is not about demonstrating knowledge in IT - but is about proving skillfuture if pitch correctly can work.
Ken
[4:38 pm, 26/08/2020] +: There still are.. Japanese company are well known for that. If you are good they will keep you around
Stella
[4:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: That's bcos of strong labor laws in Japan.
CQ
[4:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah, and an older and more experienced employee gets displaced by a young degree holder who doesn't have experience and gets bossed around because "my piece of paper very big". then later on kena retrench.... so sad....
Ken
[4:39 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The problem is not all the experienced staff have degree, so cannot teach in schools and share experience
[4:40 pm, 26/08/2020] +: My cleaning uncle use to run a R&D team in pharma before retiring
[4:40 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
So Singaporean need not be dejected when displaced by disruptive tech.
When done correctly, ITM and skillfuture can be the right antidotes.
This concept is coin in 2012 and adopted by DPM Heng Swee Keat in budget 2016.
Ken
[4:40 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We go to him for free advice partly why my manager hire him lol
[4:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We don’t recongise such people that are really good and passionate in their field
Stella
[4:41 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I am sure he appreciates the respect
Blue and Whtie Guy
[4:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Exactly my point, everyone looks at paper only
CQ
[4:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah.... Shaolin always has the crazily highly skilled monk who sweeps the floor. sounds like the cleaning uncle is the same!
Ken
[4:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Too bad his cleaning company have to be changed then he couldn’t stay on haiz..
But what can we do?
[4:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes many uncle and Aunty that if you spend time talking to them
[4:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: They might surprise you lol
Rama
[4:44 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes
Ken
[4:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I can sense the vibe from those kind of people... so whether you can sense it lor
Stella
[4:46 pm, 26/08/2020] +: It is very important to show respect to people in the lower hierarchy of the company. Those who don't xxx. Those who do, are better MAN.
CQ
[4:48 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah.. but the uncles and aunties sometimes a;sp dpm
Stella
[4:48 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Some CEOs have social responsibility and take good care of their staff. Some CEOs hire and fire with no regard for other people's livihood
CQ
[4:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: *sometimes also don't want to say too much also, cos to them it's long behind them already
[4:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: but when you find someone who's prepared to share, you hear A LOT of stories one!!!
Stella
[4:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Must be forward thinking, don't everyday talk about glorious past
Ken
[4:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Is overall picture, if you want to keep young blood they need to promote, top need to have openings. So the chain move up.
[4:50 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sometime is between cutting pay or reduce headcount, cut pay people not happy leave.
Stella
[4:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: If people want to leave for a higher paying job, then should be happy for them
Ken
[4:52 pm, 26/08/2020] +: But if you want to keep them, your pay have to be competitive. Not easy to groom mid management
Stella
[4:53 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree, not easy. That's why must pay and maintain a HR dept to manage such stuff
[4:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Same stuff are best managed for specialists /professionals.
[4:56 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Just bcos boss got MBA doesn't mean he know everything and can do everything
[4:56 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Some stuff, not same stuff
Ken
[4:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: To have the time to take MBA and maintain a job 😅 and to pay for it. Not easy
Stella
[4:58 pm, 26/08/2020] +: In the old days, company will sponsor the MBA but will need to sign bond
Ken
[4:58 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sign bond only really no big deal offer I take it straight up
[4:58 pm, 26/08/2020] +: The things now really not much such stuff
Stella
[4:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Old days. But now not the trend liao
Ken
[4:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Degree, diploma easy
[4:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: master MBA only you mark as management then you have the chance
CQ
[4:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: these days you have to cover your own cost, because the company may be afraid that i invest time and energy to groom you, then you break bond and leave. so it's like macham giving them an interest free loan for that period
Stella
[5:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Company got no loyalty to staff so staff naturally feel the same way
CQ
[5:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah lor. relationship is a 2-way street
[5:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: there's no loyalty without trust
Stella
[5:02 pm, 26/08/2020] +: If sign 3 year bond, company can break bond, but staff cannot. If bad luck kena crazy new boss, will suffer 3 years.
Rama
[5:02 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Must be local HR!
[5:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: This must be on a level playing field!
Ken
[5:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 3 years only... to me just to train character lor... if like that you can’t take it then don’t think too much management have much more stuff than a terrible boss
Stella
[5:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Too bad, many HR staff FT, not locals, that's why they prone to hiring FT
Rama
[5:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree
Ken
[5:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I have fair share of terrible boss haha and survive. As long as you know how to navigate your way around it.
Stella
[5:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: U just scored points up the MAN scale
Ken
[5:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: People look at you differently
CQ
[5:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: lmao!!!!
Ken
[5:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 😅
Stella
[5:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Your mom did a great job
Ken
[5:06 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Mum have a part to play, but my mentors more important and people I interact as I grow up.
[5:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: My dad wack me enough that really nothing is worst than him... 🤣🤣
But ultimately the mindset is important don’t kill you then you can grow
Stella
[5:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I had some great mentors too. Then after that kena some wimps. Cannot help but compare
[5:08 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I hope u don't wack your kids
Ken
[5:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I am quite chill kind, lol we shall see. That’s like 5 to 6 years down the road
[5:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Very hard to make my blood boil
Stella
[5:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sometimes man wack their kids bcos their father wack them. Some man bully subordinates bcos their boss bully them
Ken
[5:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Those are just excuse bah
[5:10 pm, 26/08/2020] +: You decide what you want to do, blame is to find excuse for yourself to justify your actions
Stella
[5:10 pm, 26/08/2020] +: More points!
Ken
[5:11 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Can see from your surroundings mah... really a person makes their own choices. The sacrifice how they made it. Just observed lor.
[5:12 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Don’t need to look at Obama or what. Those that made it better than you if you know them well. You see the traits, the sacrifice they put in. You know why.
[5:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hany Soh my schoolmate, I quite surprise neighbor school can have a MP 🤣
How much hard work put in only she will know.
Stella
[5:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Elite school people also got put in a lot of hard work.
CQ
[5:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: oh!! she's your schoolmate??
Ken
[5:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Environment different leh....
Ken
[5:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: One year her Senoir
CQ
[5:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: ah.... i got to meet her at a law soc event. she's a few years my junior from TP actually, so we didn't cross.
Ken
[5:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: How many of us go NUS and NTU. Percentage wise really much lower
Ken
[5:24 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I also TP 😆
CQ
[5:24 pm, 26/08/2020] +: yah, and those who do would've gone through the poly route. and back then the local unis would only take a token 1 or 2 from poly
[5:24 pm, 26/08/2020] +: OOHHHHHHHH
Ken
[5:25 pm, 26/08/2020] +: I am part time one haha so not counted. Much easier to get in. But still quite hard to study 😅
Rama
[5:26 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes
REACH
[5:31 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Minimum salaries for Employment Pass and S Pass holders to be raised
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/minimum-salaries-for-employment-pass-and-s-pass-holders-to-be-raised?utm_source=STSmartphone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-08-26+17%3A31%3A08
Ken
[5:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Wonder how much higher can we raise till it start affecting MNC to come in to operate
Rama
[5:36 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Minimum salaries for Employment Pass and S Pass holders to be raised https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/minimum-salaries-for-employment-pass-and-s-pass-holders-to-be-raised?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
Rama
[6:07 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 6,300 jobs, traineeships in manufacturing sector being offered; only 730 taken up so far https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/6300-jobs-and-traineeships-manufacturing-sector-being-offered?cid=emarsys-today_TODAY%27s+evening+briefing+for+Aug+26%2C+2020+%28ACTIVE%29_newsletter_26082020_today#.X0Y0RKCqx_o.whatsapp
REACH
[6:10 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Singapore’s research and innovation key in fight against COVID-19, creation of growth opportunities: Heng Swee Keat
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-research-economic-growth-heng-swee-keat-13055186
REACH
[6:11 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Addendum to President's Address: New insurance scheme for migrant workers' medical bills; better wages for locals a key priority
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/moms-addendum-to-presidents-address-insurance-scheme-in-the-works-for-unusually-large
REACH
[6:14 pm, 26/08/2020] +: MAS to ensure ‘well-paced’ exit of COVID-19 reliefs, minimise ‘sharp cliff’ effect for borrowers
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/mas-well-paced-exit-covid-19-relief-measures-borrowers-tharman-13054976
REACH
[6:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: More tech jobs to come as MCI steps up job creation for fresh graduates, mid-career professionals
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-tech-jobs-mci-technology-fresh-graduates-mid-career-13055184
REACH
[6:16 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Expect more investments and ‘good jobs’ for Singaporeans despite COVID-19: Chan Chun Sing
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-crisis-expect-more-investments-good-jobs-chan-chun-sing-13055080
Rama
[6:17 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Addendum to President's Address: New insurance scheme for migrant workers' medical bills; better wages for locals a key priority
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/moms-addendum-to-presidents-address-insurance-scheme-in-the-works-for-unusually-large
REACH
[6:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: New COVID-19 cases at dormitories detected by routine testing is 'part of the plan': Josephine Teo
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-dormitories-clusters-routune-testing-josephine-teo-13055020
[6:57 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
More jobs will be available in growth areas like cloud computing and artificial intelligence as Singapore accelerates the creation of jobs in the ICT sector and across the economy, said Information and Communications Minister S Iswaran on Wednesday (Aug 26).
The jobs for both fresh graduates and mid-career professionals will be in areas like cybersecurity, data analytics, software and network engineering, as well as executive roles in business transformation for companies going digital, Mr Iswaran said.
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See so many jobs in ICT. Skillsfuture can provide certification for this and enterprises can place a job after completing these professional jobs.
[6:58 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
And all these are well pay jobs.
Stella
[6:59 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Will these jobs be just for locals or they are also open to FT?
Rama
[7:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Level playing field!?
Stella
[7:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: how?
[7:01 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The Ministry of Communications and Information (MCI) will be ramping up placements, traineeships and skills upgrading under several programmes - the SGUnited Jobs & Skills Package, the TechSkills Accelerator and Cybersecurity Development Programmes.
[7:02 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Thought only Singaporeans and PRs can apply?
Stella
[7:03 pm, 26/08/2020] +: only Singaporeans for govt funding training right? but employers can hire FT or locals right?
Rama
[7:04 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hope so!
Stella
[7:05 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Our government will take care of our people. But employers, esp foreign owned companies, are free to hire locals or FT correct? as long as meet the MOM requirements
[7:08 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why tripartite agreement between govt, union and employers - must institutionalise skillfuture and place certified trainees.
But first thing first, trainee must pass their cert and produce a job based project - to prove competency.
Eg. A good network engineer can configure 2 complicated routers within 30 minutes.
A good network data designer can design a data center network within 1/2 hours.
Rama
[7:09 pm, 26/08/2020] +: In that case, let's see how the new salary scheme for employment and S pass helps to mitigate.
[7:09 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
A good system engineer can configure a server and virtualize system within 45 minutes.
Stella
[7:11 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We need our students not to worry about not being able to get a job after they graduate.
[7:11 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
A good storage engineer can configure San storage within 1/2 hours.
[7:11 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Train and place.
Stella
[7:12 pm, 26/08/2020] +: placement is important
[7:13 pm, 26/08/2020] +: salary should not be too low such that they have put off marriage and buying hdb plans
[7:13 pm, 26/08/2020] +: or putting off having a baby plan
[7:13 pm, 26/08/2020] +: when the future is uncertain
[7:13 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
What I listed above will at least fetch $4000 and above.
Stella
[7:14 pm, 26/08/2020] +: will all these jobs be going to strictly locals
[7:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: if so, then that's very good news
[7:15 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singaporeans and PRs right?
Stella
[7:15 pm, 26/08/2020] +: got a lot of PRs whereby their families are not here. so most of their salary leaves the economy
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:17 pm, 26/08/2020] +: How are we able to train up our local workforce to take up IT jobs that normally would be taken by FT who already specialise in deeper sectors?
Stella
[7:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: that's MOE's domain
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: No not MOE, our current workforce
[7:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: People need to stop complaining that FTs are stealing their jobs if they aren't even proficient in said jobs
Stella
[7:18 pm, 26/08/2020] +: then MOM's domain
[7:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: our locals are not less PROFICIENT
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Doesn't matter who's domain, what's the plan?
[7:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes our locals are less proficient and less capable at various aspects, if not why do you think we have some expats that specialise in IT?
Stella
[7:19 pm, 26/08/2020] +: we have an east coast plan
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Getting tired of this tasteless joke already
Rama
[7:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hope so
Stella
[7:20 pm, 26/08/2020] +: FT are not stealing jobs
[7:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Employers are making cost efficient decisions
[7:21 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Bottom line talking
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:22 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Are people encouraged to take courses to go for these tougher jobs? Or are we just going to wait for MOE to strengthen its focus on IT education?
Stella
[7:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We have plenty of IT people
[7:23 pm, 26/08/2020] +: but the choice of FT is much larger
[7:23 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If a Singaporean can do any of the above, or do all the above?
Who can take away your job?
Each one pay you $4000.
Some can do all the above.
Oh forgot to mention configure firewall, VPN, Security incident management, network management system.
Leonard Lau
[7:27 pm, 26/08/2020] +: This is nothing to do with MOE. Most IT skills are acquired thru work and online learning .. and mostly these skills can’t taught in schools
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Nope nope, not that sort of school teaching, but a strengthened IT specialisation in tertiary
Leonard Lau
[7:28 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes . With our strong currency , our labor cost are already high .
[7:30 pm, 26/08/2020] +: What is Bro Ng taught in degree and diploma programs are good enough ..
what we lack is .. usuallly people here don’t dive deep to excel .
[7:30 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
This is the entire data center network infrastructure.
Leonard Lau
[7:31 pm, 26/08/2020] +: In truth .. we are short of IT people .
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:31 pm, 26/08/2020] +: ?
[7:31 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Forgot to mention 3dns load balancer, NTP server and cloud.
Leonard Lau
[7:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yup .. the challenge here is that we need to dive in to strengthen the tech skills .
Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:32 pm, 26/08/2020] +: So you do get my. Point
[7:33 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
There are people, Singaporean who can do all of this.
Not rocket science.
Leonard Lau
[7:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Sorry .. remove Bro Ng
[7:33 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes . Correct
[7:34 pm, 26/08/2020] +: But local prefer management work so ..
Golden
[7:37 pm, 26/08/2020] +: MOE can play a more active role. Also they should embark to engage in efficient codings. Many do not practise good programming neither do companies spend on life-cycles of projects, as such there are many bugs. Even ios upgrades, after the passing of Steve Jobs, generate many bugs, because S.Jobs has a different mindset to put himself in shoes of users. Also overseas, students engage in practical computer work at a very young age and with good protective equipments and diet, exercise so students do not result in wearing spectacles. In SG, much is done on theory rather than practical.
Soon
[7:42 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agreed. There shld be distinction btw Sporean and PR.
REACH
[7:43 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Singapore, Thailand to 'expedite' discussions on reciprocal green lane travel arrangement: MFA
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-thailand-green-lane-business-travel-covid-19-13055472
REACH
[7:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hello REACH Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight! 😴
- Megan
Alvin
[7:45 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Gdnight Megan
Leonard Lau
[7:47 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Yes on coding .. it is something that we need the younger generation to embrace it and build passion in them . But there is so much MOE can do unless they make it as an examinable subject .
Golden
[7:49 pm, 26/08/2020] +: MOE need teachers with healthy and correct programming techniques.
[7:50 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
On top of program coding, current graduates do NLP, AI, data analytics, cybersecurity, database, software engineering, IOT, web development, and many others.
Leonard Lau
[7:51 pm, 26/08/2020] +: We need to fast track to bring in foreign programming gurus to trains talents here . We are light years behind
[7:51 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Some even do robotics, with build in AI, image processing, voice recognition, augmented reality etc.
[7:53 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Also Blockchain.
[7:54 pm, 26/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
So IT field is very wide.
Just pick the one that you like and dive deep.
The pay is very good.
Leonard Lau
[7:55 pm, 26/08/2020] +: When go deep , the world is the oyster . There are plenty of good jobs out globally .
Rama
[7:56 pm, 26/08/2020] +: 👌🙏👍🤙🤘
[7:57 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Agree
REACH
[8:00 pm, 26/08/2020] +: Hi REACH Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan
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