REACH 122 - NWC wage recommendation (SK)
14 Aug 2020 (12pm - 8pm)
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[12:01 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Dear contributors,
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[12:02 pm, 14/08/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢
What other suggestions do you think can be included to support both employees and employers?
The tripartite partners will reconvene the National Wages Council (NWC) later this month to update guidelines issued in March on wage and employment-related issues, for more timely and relevant guidance to employers.
The council aims to release the updated guidelines by September.
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/manpower/national-wages-council-to-reconvene-this-month-updated-guidelines-to-be-out-by
For more information about the March NWC 2020/2021 guidelines, visit:
www.mom.gov.sg/nwc
Share your feedback on the NWC feedback with MOM here:
https://form.gov.sg/#!/5f2cffdc56f4f20011a34596
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Ken
[12:07 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Business have to be profitable for long term, the only time they can have a good excuse is in a downturn. Specially when they don’t expect growth in the near future.
Cut in pay unless work in lesser, is not a solution as when economy comes back the company won’t auto up back the pay either. Benefit cut will usually won’t come back.
Extend don’t always mean better, if business are not earning they need to change for the future need. Using existing workforce to look for new markets.
Ken
[12:15 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Most of the work in Singapore are not seasonal, but greatly affected by global relationship and import and export. We are at the mercy as we don’t have a strong domestic market.
Japanese even when overseas they will still support their countries product no matter the cost. If we can go to that extend then is possible.
Singaporean are well equipped with skills to work overseas, but being too comfortable makes us unlikely to go out to explore. The whole general feel is we can do well in Singapore why drop everything and work overseas.
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[12:17 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心: Good that the wholesale contribution in REACH on meat alternatives are adopted. This will in the long run move away from animal slaughtering for food - and prevent future virus pandemic :-
"Propose vegetarian foods, vegan based meat, 3D printed vegan base meat, cell-culture, tissue re-engineering meat, beyond meat to replace slaughtering of animal meat and prevent virus pandemic. (2 Aug 2020).
Government plan food security R&D to achieve the proposed contribution.
(Straits Times 13 Aug 2020
Strengthening food security with R&D
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/strengthening-food-security-with-rd?cx_testId=20&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s)"
[12:17 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
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[1:50 pm, 04/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
REACH - Long term plan to prevent future virus pandemic
2 Aug 2020
REACH
Chapter 1
Scientists has proven that virus jump host from animals to human - eg. Swine flu, bird flu, covid, SARS, H1N1 etc - due to people slaughtering of animals for food.
That why is urging government to spend more efforts and resources to R&D on alternative food source such as :-
1. Vegetarian food
2. Vegan base meat
3. 3D-printed vegan base meat
4. Cell culture and tissue re-engineering meat
5. Beyond meat
All the above suggestions will not slaughter animals for meat.
Number 4 involve extracting some cells, blood and tissues from live animals - but will not kills the animals.
It is just like humans donating blood or plasma or tissue - that will earn good deeds and merits for the animals.
Chapter 2
If the R&D for the above alternative food source are successful, then it will also resolve the global climate change - because rearing animal for food for 1 hectares plot of land will require to plant 10 hectares plot of land to grow grain to feed the animals.
The above alternative food source will only require to plant 1 hectare plot of land to feed the same number of human - and resolve the global climate change.
Also, it will open up a new economic sector for Singapore - high tech agro industry and create new jobs for Singaporean.
Chapter 3
The above proposal will have achieve 4 objectives :-
1. Stop slaughtering of animals for food and reduce animals sufferings.
2. Reduce the risk of pandemic base animals host to human virus infections.
3. Protect global climate by reducing the land required to clear forest to rear animals and crops.
4. Start a new high tech agro industry for Singapore and create high value added jobs to Singaporean and create export led industry on gourmet meat.
Chapter 4
1. The above proposed agro industry will have created :-
a. High tech lab for food R&D.
b. Create manufacturing plants to mass produce vegan-based meat
c. Food packaging, logistics, food supply chain, marketing
d. Domestic food market
d. Export food industry for overseas market
e. Create many jobs in food R&D, high tech food manufacturing plant, logistic food supply chain, marketing jobs for domestic and overseas market
[1:51 pm, 04/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
The root cause of virus pandemic is animals to human host transmission.
Thus inventing and changing food source such as vegan base meat will solve the root cause of centuries of virus pandemic.
Vaccines or treatment for covid-19 is only solving the symptoms of the problems.
Other virus pandemic will still arise if animals to human host transmission is not resolved.
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[12:17 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
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Outcome --- Spur by the fairy tale ...... [6:19 AM, 16/02/2020]
"The living bird, the dying bird and the Running Man ......" ---- just a fairy tale.... --- the beginning of Wuhan virus ...... from animals to man .....
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Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:20 pm, 14/08/2020] +: People ask about job you talk about meat alternatives
Got job for butchers if meat alternatives market expands anot?
[12:22 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
New industry, no jobs?
Ken
[12:23 pm, 14/08/2020] +: This industry requires abnormally high amount of tech and water
[12:23 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Water especially
[12:23 pm, 14/08/2020] +: In clean, preparing Media, etc
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:24 pm, 14/08/2020] +: I'm not totally for the go vegan or vegetarian campaigns
So if let's say everyone stops meat consumption, how you gonna deal with the overpopulation?
Ken
[12:24 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Meat problem was remove from Singapore cause all those pollution happens outside Singapore.
Vegetable I agree we can grow more
[12:25 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore can produce 430 million gallons of water if I am not wrong.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:25 pm, 14/08/2020] + We should still conserve water
Every industry should strive to conserve resources as much as possible
[12:25 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Read cell culture meat
Ken
[12:25 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes most are for industry use
[12:26 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Industry water cost is a lot higher then what we use in household
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:26 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Read what? Whatever population, be it pok pok keh, pork, cotton or khaw will all overpopulate cuz no consumption
Anne
[12:27 pm, 14/08/2020] +: There’s a start up from A*STAR that does lab grown prawns. No GMOs, totally cultured from cells. Challenge is now the cost of producing this mean is still exorbitant. They’re working on bringing down the cost.
Ken
[12:27 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Lab grown prawn in Singapore is done well, but cost to tear them still cheaper overseas
[12:28 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Rear”
[12:28 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If you rear too much for meat, then overpopulation.
Anyway govt adopt the new industry.
Good for us.
Anne
[12:28 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Anyway, if the virus strain is lab grown and not from nature, then having meat alternatives is not the way to prevent such pandemics from happening again.
Ken
[12:29 pm, 14/08/2020] +: I am strongly against cell culture meat, cause it cost more and that is only last resort. Rather than replacement
Rama
[12:29 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Agree
Rama
[12:29 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes
Ken
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Can advocate to eat less meat
Rama
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Great
Ken
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: But not culture meat
Rama
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Agree
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: COVID-19 was interpreted by the transport industry for a push to cleaner and greener vehicles (and cities)
Likewise, I think COVID-19 slightly boosted those with the idea that eating animals encourages the spread of viruses
While true, it's mostly just scare tactics imo
Ken
[12:31 pm, 14/08/2020] +: The next alternative is eating insects lol
[12:32 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Most cost effectiveness and can clear out waste
Rama
[12:32 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Not for me
Ken
[12:32 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Simple tech and easy to care for
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:33 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Don't think of it as insects, think of it as crack crack
Learn from living in denial in its truest form 😂
[12:34 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
If all can accept vegan meat then it is even better.
Cell culture meat are for those who still want real meat - but do so without slaughtering live animals.
Anyway, government is collaborating with overseas R&D worldwide to find cheaper ingredients to make cell culture meat.
Anne
[12:34 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Not sure about the C-19 reasoning behind the push for clean and green cities. Pathogens appear everywhere. Even in hospitals.
I believe for health reasons it is best to consume less meat and more fruits and vegetables.
[12:35 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Insects still living things.
Better not to eat.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:35 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Lesser cars on the roads thus the climate change agenda boost
Blue and White Flag Guy
[12:36 pm, 14/08/2020] +: You think about it, even vegetables and fruits are also living things leh, better not to eat also?
We cannot just say because it's alive, we shouldn't eat it
Ken
[12:36 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Sorry processed vegan/meat waste lots of water.
Usually use waste food product or other wise throw to make. To repurpose it, example marmite, fish ball, hot dogs.
Just that we take it as normal food, rather than scraps that being reprocessed for consumption
[12:37 pm, 14/08/2020] +: With added filler such flour
[12:37 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Which is much cheaper
[12:38 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Grow fresh veg still the best, unless for long term storage then we make process food
[12:39 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Fish sadly over time will be with heavy metal 😔, so also cannot eat too much
Liyana
[12:39 pm, 14/08/2020] +: "Members of the public can share their views on wage and employment-related issues, as well as pose suggestions to the guidelines, through a feedback form. The form will be open till Aug 28."
Would urge employees to fill this in so more views are heard.
[1:10 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Conservative estimate for this new food industry :-
1. $10 billion
2. 5,000 jobs
Good that Government adopt wholesale!
Rama
[1:10 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Government should eventually do away with putting atrangers in flat together. Not safe for females or elderly or children.
Liyana
[1:10 pm, 14/08/2020] +: What do you mean?
Rama
[1:12 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Rental flat for those who do not meet certain criteria requires strangers to co rent a unit. This i feel is prone to numerous negative effects.
[1:15 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Sph has in the past carried a few articles on this problem.
YT
[1:23 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Agree.
REACH
[4:03 pm, 14/08/2020] +: MOE to build on making education a social leveller amid coronavirus pandemic, says Lawrence Wong
The Ministry of Education will continue to focus on education as a social leveller, as well as work to ensure schools can continue to operate even if the Covid-19 pandemic rages on, Education Minister Lawrence Wong said.
"One priority for my team and I is to ensure that education remains an effective social leveller. And the resources that we provide to our schools should reflect this important ethos," he said.
But the ongoing pandemic has also raised issues that the ministry will have to think about - how to allow students to resume activities outside their classrooms, how exams will be conducted if the pandemic continues, and how to respond if there are unexpected waves of infections.
More: https://str.sg/JhQn
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[4:05 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Leisure travel green lanes can help Changi Airport regain some lost traffic amid Covid-19 outbreak, says Ong Ye Kung
Singapore may consider introducing reciprocal green lanes at Changi Airport for tourists from countries where the Covid-19 situation is similar to or better than that in Singapore.
This means leisure travellers from such a country will be exempted from having to serve a 14-day quarantine on arrival, and vice versa.
Transport Minister Ong Ye Kung suggested the arrangement as a way to help lift the passenger numbers at Changi to about 40 per cent of pre-Covid levels.
More: https://str.sg/JhAZ
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[4:09 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Singapore reports 83 new COVID-19 infections; no community cases for the first time since Jun 1
Singapore reported 83 new COVID-19 infections as of noon on Friday (Aug 14), including four imported cases, said the Ministry of Health (MOH).
There were no cases reported in the community. This is the first time since Jun 1 that Singapore has not had a community cases.
The vast majority of Friday's reported infections are work permit holders currently under quarantine, the MOH said in its preliminary daily update.
More details will be provided in an update on Friday evening, said MOH.
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-aug-14-imported-cases-no-community-13020112
Rama
[4:15 pm, 14/08/2020] +: We are doing things right!
Girl
[4:22 pm, 14/08/2020] +: If open up but require expensive testing like $200 per swab test and SHN on return to home country, unlikely to attract much travellers. Suggest to subsidise on swab test and quarantine for 2 days max while waiting for test results.
Rama
[4:24 pm, 14/08/2020] +: If the trend of no community cases comes up, will we see phase three in October!?
Girl
[4:26 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Suggest to open up by cities instead of countries.
Rama
[4:26 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes
Vali
[4:27 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Covid-19 Cases, many dependent pass holders are coming back.
Vali
[4:27 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Are their medical treatment on subsidise rate.
SL
[4:29 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Quaranteen only 2 days sufficient? If not handle properly might lead to community cross infection that resulted most resources in after event fire fighting?
Girl
[4:30 pm, 14/08/2020] +: quarantine while waiting for swab test results. alrdy tested negative then release. this is what they are doing for business travellers
REACH
[4:34 pm, 14/08/2020] +: [Sent by Gov.sg – 14 Aug]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 83 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders currently under quarantine.
Based on investigations so far, there are no cases in the community.
In addition, there are 4 imported cases who had been placed on Stay-Home Notice upon arrival in Singapore.
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh14augupdate
[5:06 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend say :-
? Jialat. Worry is once people bypass sg, they may not come back
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That's why we must try to open up but do so safely.
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The longer we wait we may lose alot of things and may never come back.
Rama
[5:08 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Agree
REACH
[5:11 pm, 14/08/2020] +: More than 20,000 workers matched to new jobs by NTUC's Job Security Council: labour chief
More than 20,000 workers have been matched with new roles amid the Covid-19 crisis by the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) Job Security Council, said labour chief Ng Chee Meng.
This is about double the number matched by early June.
The council, which was set up in February, helps displaced workers or those at risk of losing their jobs move into new jobs or temporary secondments in firms within the group.
More: https://str.sg/JhAS
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[5:24 pm, 14/08/2020] +: DPM Heng Swee Keat to deliver ministerial statement on further Covid-19 support measures on Monday
Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat will deliver a ministerial statement next Monday (Aug 17) on how the Government will continue its support for workers and businesses, and protect livelihoods during the Covid-19 pandemic.
He will deliver the statement at 3.30pm via a broadcast carried on Channel News Asia, CNA938, and Mediacorp MeWatch.
In a Facebook post on Friday (Aug 14), Mr Heng said that over the past few weeks, many people have shared with him their anxieties and concerns about their livelihoods.
More: https://str.sg/JhAc
SL
[5:43 pm, 14/08/2020] +: What is the global travel trending at the moment? What is the most popular is east and west travel route and the volumn of passenger going thru each route?
SL
[5:47 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Good idea, as long as it wont cross infection or there are an effective way to control the potential infection.
Which country should be open for and is it in phases, geopolitical consideration to be taking into account for or purely business transaction might need to be considered.
WilsonLeong
[5:51 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Thanks you government to help all Singaporean
Rama
[5:52 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Citizens must do their part.
[5:57 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend say: It's also about 抢位 and position sg
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Yes.
Singapore got no big hinterland and big godfather to help us.
We must look out and seize opportunity for ourselves.
HK kenna sanction by US. No problem.
HK got big hinterland behind and big godfather China - pour in multi billion dollars into HK to make up lost ground.
Singapore don't have such luxury and we need to stay alert and fight for our survival and rice bowl.
XaniceAfcai
[5:58 pm, 14/08/2020] +: We still need to be vigilant on the CoV19... Dun let the guard down n effort waste..
[5:58 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Don't know.
MOT should have the figure.
Now barely less than 5%.
[6:00 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Got to open up but do so safely.
Once people bypass our hub - we got no hubby - and we will permanently lose hub business and jobs.
SL
[6:01 pm, 14/08/2020] +: The issue highligted by IATA press release # 63 dated 28 july 2020 need to consider and effective accout uob need to be take across the regional globe. IATA expect 2024 based on RPK computation for recovery
[6:01 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Effective measurement to handle the situation*
[6:02 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Taken across*
Alvin
[6:02 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Don’t think HK will enjoy such benefits now
[6:02 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Not until no more protests
[6:02 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
We can do bilateral tie up with countries one by one.
We have done that for China, Malaysia, and Japan.
I think we also do similar for New Zealand, S Korea and Australia.
I think we can do more.
SL
[6:02 pm, 14/08/2020] +: The VFR projection for 2020 is weak
[6:04 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Alibaba and some big China MNCs have done multi billion listings in HK stock exchange.
SL
[6:04 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes, it need a regional coordination, regional economic group such as ASEAN or APEC should step in to assist country to lift the demand
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:04 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Is this VFR Visual Flight Rules lol no right
SL
[6:04 pm, 14/08/2020] +: There r many consideration for this
[6:05 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore need external market and external economy to lift our economy.
Our market of 500 billion is too small.
[6:06 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
RCEP conclusion year end will be the next big milestone.
SL
[6:07 pm, 14/08/2020] +: VFR - visiting friends and relative travel
[6:07 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Relatives*
SL
[6:08 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes, hope it will. 3 -4 months more
SL
[6:10 pm, 14/08/2020] +: We dont have domestic air travel mkt like usa, china, european country (travel bubles) eu mgmt to increase the demand singnificantly
SL
[6:11 pm, 14/08/2020] +: External mkt is crucial to singapore
SL
[6:12 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Usa factor play a role here
[6:12 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why we need to negotiate for bilateral and multilateral travel under safe conditions.
Else our Changi airport and air hub can be bypass and make redundant.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:12 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Hahaha wrong VFR 🤣
SL
[6:13 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Too many jargon in this industry that sometime i also confused
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:14 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Cuz I saw the mention of IATA then my jargon dictionary become aviation one hahaha
SL
[6:14 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Yes, you are right, the new plane techonology risk (supersonic plane) is ard the courner
[6:15 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
SIA, silkair etc should offer insurance for covid coverage like testing, hospitalisation, quarantine when travelling with our airlines.
This will encourage oversea travellers to travel in our airlines and land in Changi airport.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:16 pm, 14/08/2020] +: As much as some might say I'm not forward-looking enough, supersonic plane era is long over
Not even the Boom XB-1 will see a boom in business
Airlines are looking for cheaper alternatives even before COVID-19, it was an established trend all along
SL
[6:16 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Me too, same abbribration got diff meaning in air travel, MRO, aviation, maintenance, flying instrument.
[6:17 pm, 14/08/2020] +: NASA started new project yr back. I think is in 2018 or 2019, new generation
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:17 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Ok lah you and I understand the aviation jargon 🤭
SL
[6:20 pm, 14/08/2020] +: X-59, The tech might be inconjunction with the breakthru of advance tech in aviation flying instrument
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:21 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Have you checked out the XB-1?
SL
[6:23 pm, 14/08/2020] +2: Xb-1 prototype rolled out 7 oct.
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:25 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Of course we already have some overflying non-stop flights by both BAW and QFA but I think as a way to maintain diplomacy and friendship, some flights still transit through Changi
SL
[6:25 pm, 14/08/2020] +: The mach 2.2 stuff is design for wealthy ppl i think
SL
[6:29 pm, 14/08/2020] +: The plf - passenger load factor (excluded domestic) is 1/2 of precivid, how to attract traveller use this route when so many countries are fighting for the same pool of passenger?
Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:31 pm, 14/08/2020] +: I don't believe codeshare will help either, it's an airline-eat-airline world out there now
SL
[6:32 pm, 14/08/2020] +: Mnc taste the benefit of remote working (wfh), business travel numbers dropped already significantly, this double the effect of the covid situation as at now
[6:33 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
As long as a number of insurance do underwriting and co-share the risk of insuring travellers - the premium will be low as the costs are shared.
This will also encourage overseas travellers to take SIA and silkair - and land at Changi airport.
[7:22 pm, 14/08/2020] ☸️ Danny 心:
https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/impossible-foods-raises-200-million-200233413.html
Plant based meat doing very well - big time with fast food such as Subway, KFC and other restaurant chains.
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