REACH 178 - Vaccines to fight against the pandemic (SK)

04 Jan 2021 (11am - 9pm)

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[0:30 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Singapore's national Covid-19 vaccination programme kicked off yesterday, with the first Pfizer-BioNTech jabs being administered to 40 healthcare workers at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID). 

This marks an important milestone in the Republic's fight against Covid-19, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong told reporters, noting that vaccination could help accelerate the resumption of economic as well as other community activities and pave the way for the reopening of more borders. 

Minister Gan also mentioned that having a population that is extensively inoculated would help the country guard against new waves of infections. 

📢 Topic 📢 

💬 What do you think of the roll-out of the vaccine as a new chapter in our fight against the pandemic? 

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vaccination-drive-kicks-off-paving-way-for-further-reopening

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/get-vaccine-even-if-there-are-few-local-cases-gan-kim-yong

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Eunice Chia

[0:32 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I'm thinking I should get myself vaccinated to protect my elderly parents.... And allow our economy to open up so jobs are more secured

Ben

[0:44 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Roll out of vaccine clearly key to rebuilding. I'd like to know which vaccine is being administered to which group and why. I'd like to know the different groupings and approximate timescales, and why.

Nats

[0:46 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Meanwhile from a PT POV, 

https://www.newsweek.com/people-who-forgo-covid-vaccine-could-limited-using-public-transportation-france-1556744

I believe our gahmen won't do something like this but just sharing anyway

Rama

[0:50 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I agree on this

REACH

[0:51 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Parliament to be live-streamed for the first time on Monday https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-to-be-live-streamed-for-the-first-time-on-monday?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

Nats

[0:52 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I'm happy to hear about this, we've been fighting for this since maybe 1 or 2 years ago?

Caleb

[0:53 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍

Phyllis

[0:54 pm, 04/01/2021] +: About time!

Ken

[0:55 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍

[0:57 pm, 04/01/2021] +: For me I will wait, want to observe awhile more. 

Anyway even if vaccinated don’t mean that we can travel anytime soon. Likely need another year till we can travel with restrictions.

[1:08 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend contribution:-

http://on.theatln.tc/m0hqt0x?fbclid=IwAR12vpo6RMZbQONgMay5pFvHiuhNDaSba8a5SRyG-phAtG2Kb-IugjQsrqw

The pace of vaccination needs to speed up to control the spread and further mutations.

[1:09 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes. We need to get vaccinated fast to prevent the spread.

Also medical scientists need to verify whether their vaccines against the new strain effective or not - the results still not out yet.

[1:09 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

10 UK strain found in Seoul - CNA news just reported.

The new strain really can spread like wildfire.

[1:22 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Millions around the World get vaccinated already - whether through Pfizer-Biontech, Moderna, Sinopharm, Sinovac, Spuntik, and many others.

2. There are no reported death link to the vaccination.

3. There are few with serious side effect - that trigger allergy - but anti-allergy treatment can bring it under control - need 30 minutes to observe people who get vaccinated to see whether people got serious side effect.

4. Many got less serious side effects - similar to other vaccinations - that will go off within few hours or few days.

5. After getting the 1st shot - a few days later, people still can get contracted with covid - because anti-bodies has still not build up to protect against covid. It needs at least 14 days to get the anti-bodies. Also the 1st shot only give 50% protection. People need the 2nd dose after 21 days - to get more than 90% protection - and again need 14 days later to develop anti-bodies.

In short, after 2 dose of injection - a total 2 months will be needed to get full protection.

6. The upsides of getting ourselves vaccinated :-

a. We can get ourselves protected from covid.

b. Economy can open up - when majority of the people get vaccinated.

c. We can start opening our borders for trade, travel, business, MICE, toursim etc - if our population get vaccinated.

d. We can begin our pre-covid normal lives.

e. We can protect ourselves the more contagious UK B117 strain and the SAfrica strain that are quickly spreading.

f. The downsides risk of getting vaccinated versus the upside of getting the vaccines - is minimal.

En

[1:24 pm, 04/01/2021] +: sad, no more KL-SG high speed rail... but am hopeful that the Jurong area development plans will still continue 🤞🏻

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/kl-singapore-hsr-high-speed-rail-discontinued-13799618

Nats

[1:25 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Malaysia super good at flip flop policy one, anyways Jurong as 2nd CBD will survive even without HSR 

HSR isn't a need, it's more like an added bonus, that is gone now anyway

[1:27 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Singapore and KL Air routes is the busiest in the world - without HSR we can keep our air hub vibrant.

2. Our tour bus between Singapore to KL, Malacca, Penang, Genting, Penang, Cameroon etc can continue to operate.

3. HSR is a multiple billions investment - don't know can recoup the investment or not.

Must as well invest elsewhere that makes us more competitive.

[1:29 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. RTS is a light rail that transport JB workers to Singapore and Singaporeans can go up to JB to shop. Good enough.

5. There are currently KTM rail that go up to KL - no need redundancy that cost multiple billions.

Boon

[1:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍

Caleb

[1:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Will we still have a plan B, Incase the HSR is being revive in the future?

[1:35 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If HSR link to KL airport instead of KL capital - overseas travellers may disembark from KL airport and hop on to HSR to come Singapore instead of taking SIA to land in Changi airport - and we lose earnings from our busiest air routes that cripple our SIA and Changi airport.

Who win?

HSR which is mainly not own by us.

We waste billion of dollars to build our HSR station and make us lose billion of earning in air fare and air hub.

[1:37 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Bare in mind, HSR need 2 hours to arrive here including security clearance.

Airport need 4 hours for clearance.

So travellers will take HSR or air flight?

Also air flight more expensive than HSR?

KS Foong

[1:41 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Both side need to win something. Bottomline is, we should not spend money to hurt ourselves!

Ben

[1:53 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Virus expected to take years to mutate significantly enough to affect the vaccine success

maybellrejoice1

[1:54 pm, 04/01/2021] +: https://youtu.be/oyhabUI5tD8

Boon

[2:50 pm, 04/01/2021] +: As a context, the vid report is (narrowly) based on 4 elderly persons (one was 85, another was 91) with preexisting conditions. Two of the involved countries’ health authorities opined that the deaths were not linked to the vaccine. So, while it is good for awareness and for our aged parents, there isn’t enough info to generalize.

Caleb

[2:55 pm, 04/01/2021] +: U hope we can choose which type of vaccine do we want. When the other 1 or 2 have been approved by HSA.

[2:55 pm, 04/01/2021] +: *I

Ken

[2:56 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Cannot choose... cause if not there will be shortage already stated

Ben

[2:57 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Would it then be a choice to wait until that vaccination is available (or pay to choose?)

Ken

[2:58 pm, 04/01/2021] +: The whole world is very short... you want to pay also cannot choose. Unless private lor.. don’t know if they are given how many 🤷🏻‍♂️

[2:59 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Do note that kids below 16 cannot take cause still no data on them. 

Also pregnant woman as breast feeding Mum

Ben

[3:01 pm, 04/01/2021] +: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857 'Will the vaccine still work?

The new variant has mutations to the spike protein that the three leading vaccines are targeting. However, vaccines produce antibodies against many regions in the spike protein, so it’s unlikely that a single change would make the vaccine less effective.

Over time, as more mutations occur, the vaccine may need to be altered. This happens with seasonal flu, which mutates every year, and the vaccine is adjusted accordingly. The SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t mutate as quickly as the flu virus, and the vaccines that have so far proved effective in trials are types that can easily be tweaked if necessary."

[3:02 pm, 04/01/2021] +: The danger is that people will not take the vaccination if their preference is not available. More needs to be done to educate us on the differences, and results of the testing.

Caleb

[3:03 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I guess so far all other countries only roll out 1 type of vaccine. Don't have multiple types yet

[3:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Well, maybe it's a low numbers of ppl will want to choose

[3:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: So let this grp, take a later date.

Ken

[3:05 pm, 04/01/2021] +: It is still very new, confidence is low. If not when do you see world leaders take turns to show the public it is safe?

[3:06 pm, 04/01/2021] +: When was the last time you see that?

Caleb

[3:09 pm, 04/01/2021] +: The audio not very good. 

Abit cracking.

[3:09 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Biden lor

Ken

[3:10 pm, 04/01/2021] +: This is actually preparing for the disease x in future in case of a more deathly one that comes in the future this is a model that we can follow. 

At such low death rate we can’t totally get people to cooperate and wear mask🤷🏻‍♂️  

Lucky the public panic has die down due to government intervention 👍

But the threat is still real. Gobal supply is threaten.

Ken

[3:10 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Before covid” and such event happen before?

Caleb

[3:11 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Now surgical mask is over supply, under demand. 🤣

Ken

[3:11 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Cause it is not deadly hence people just wear to reduce risk or fines” 🤷🏻‍♂️

[3:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Not wear to ensure we all are safe

[3:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Not bad have 3k watching

Caleb

[3:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I watching

[3:15 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Can allow us to scribe back (rewind) too?

[3:20 pm, 04/01/2021] +: For vaccination plan, once 40 and above can take. Can jab those with higher risk because of their job like Marine sector, cleaners etc. 

Before opening up to the 12 to 39 years old age group.

Fulgrim

[3:20 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Happy new years guys!!!

Caleb

[3:20 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Just throwing a question

Fulgrim

[3:21 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Great to see parliament sessions are now livestreamed :)

Nats

[3:21 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yes, it is such a breakthrough - we will see how different interpretations are across MSM outlets and ordinary citizens like you and I

Fulgrim

[3:21 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I just read today that we are also bringing in the Oxford astra zeneca vaccine and also the ones from sinovac

[3:22 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I read that the sinovac one has lower effectiveness so how do they decide how and where to deploy the different make of vaccines

Ben

[3:23 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yes, these are the questions we will be asking.

REACH

[3:24 pm, 04/01/2021] +: More Covid-19 vaccines to arrive in Singapore soon, including those by Moderna, Sinovac: Gan Kim Yong https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/more-vaccines-to-arrive-in-singapore-soon-including-those-by-moderna-sinavac-gan?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[3:25 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Prior bookings will be required before Covid-19 vaccination: Gan Kim Yong https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/prior-bookings-will-be-required-before-covid-19-vaccination-gan-kim-yong?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

james

[3:27 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Finally!!!

[3:27 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Disposable masks cause micro plastic fibre inhalation?

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEOcYovwGrkggbivrGzBlzqoqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowief2CjCJ2dUCMNvwrAU?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

[3:28 pm, 04/01/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't think wear perpetually is a good idea.

One day we need to get vaccinated and dispense with wearing masks.

This is our normal lives, not wearing masks until our end of lives.

REACH

[3:45 pm, 04/01/2021] +: S'pore govt to offer support to those with serious side effects from Covid-19 vaccines https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/new-covid-19-vaccine-injury-financial-assistance-programme-to-be-introduced?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[3:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Singapore reports 24 new COVID-19 cases, all imported https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-jan-4-imported-community-foreign-domestic-worker-13888928#.X_LIPDEWFzE.whatsapp

Fulgrim

[4:16 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I think makes more sense to ensure the vaccines are safe in the first place lah. Prevention is better than cure

[4:17 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Just a suggestion but since our ministers will be getting the vaccine

[4:17 pm, 04/01/2021] +: They should show themselves taking the sinovac one to assure everyone it is safe

[4:17 pm, 04/01/2021] +: If they take the pfizer or Modena one I think pple won't dare to take the Chinese vaccine

Ken

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: No such thing as 100% safe vaccine 😅

Sure there is like 1 in a million chance that someone fall sick from it. Just hope that not happen on someone important if not the whole vaccine sure come to a stop

Fulgrim

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yah of course no 100%

Nats

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Still it isn't bad to have a backup plan as such

Fulgrim

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: But this is more of public assurance

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Since they said they would take the vaccine first to assure the public

[4:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Do it with the China one

[4:19 pm, 04/01/2021] +: As most pple will have that concern

[4:19 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Of course lah but better to avoid if possible mah. Can also save taxpayer money :)

Nats

[4:20 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Sadly there's no way to so-called avoid unless we want to wait 5 years, if it isn't that safe, some people will have to suffer so the rest don't have to

CQ

[4:32 pm, 04/01/2021] +: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-police-force-can-obtain-tracetogether-data-covid-19-13889914?cid=fbcna

This goes against what was initially said about the use of the data. So what's this......

Ken

[4:33 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Lol you believe 🤣

Caleb

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Police can always ask for data bah

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: for investigations

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: CCTVs etc

Alvin

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: This may let ppl think there is a little low of confidence in the vaccine

Berny

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: They could, and nobody can deny them those info

CQ

[4:34 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Don't care whether believe or not. If the initial message given to "entice" the TT take up was such, then you stick with it. It's just not cool that you bait and switch like that

Caleb

[4:35 pm, 04/01/2021] +: they can ask data from facebook etc

[4:35 pm, 04/01/2021] +: depends if those companies will give anot

[4:35 pm, 04/01/2021] +: especially if they dont have  a ofc in Sg

Berny

[4:36 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Against the penal code not to give though

Desmond Koh

[4:55 pm, 04/01/2021] +: "Authorised police officers may invoke then the Criminal Procedure Code" they need to seek approval de not like suka suka can take de...

+ left

Caleb

[4:56 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍

REACH

[5:08 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Dear contributors,

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REACH

[5:11 pm, 04/01/2021] +: More than 4.2m people using TraceTogether, token distribution to resume soon: Lawrence Wong https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-more-than-42m-people-using-tracetogether-token-distribution-to-resume?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

Caleb

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: actually is we have no choice but got to use TT.

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: to go shopping malls, workplace and schools

REACH

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: All who take Covid-19 jabs will get physical vaccination card, cannot choose which vaccine to take https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/all-vaccinated-against-covid-19-will-get-physical-vaccination-card-cannot-choose?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

Caleb

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: basically is everywhere

Jonathan Lam

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I feel it is more convenient

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: With trace together token

Caleb

[5:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: u mean the token?

Jonathan Lam

[5:13 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yup

[5:13 pm, 04/01/2021] +: But I think still have to use safe entry as some places do not have the machine or ppl to scan the token

Caleb

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: but I felt penalize with the token.  as some places make it inconvenient to scan the token

Jonathan Lam

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: It's like a mix of both

Caleb

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: and cant scan out

Jonathan Lam

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yup agree

Caleb

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: like Popular bookstore in shopping mall, ask u go cashier to scan the token

[5:14 pm, 04/01/2021] +: MBS F&B have already started ToS

Jonathan Lam

[5:15 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Depends on the place I think

Nats

[5:15 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Implementation is currently a disaster and will be an even bigger disaster if the supply (acceptance of token) doesn't exceed the demand (the number of tokens)

Caleb

[5:15 pm, 04/01/2021] +: our Gov very slow lei, got Nov and Dec to do

[5:15 pm, 04/01/2021] +: but now they start educating the shop and building owners

[5:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: the token and the QR code is so small, so harder to scan

[5:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: not sure if GovTech going to sell the BT reader where can scan the BT

Eunice Chia

[5:18 pm, 04/01/2021] +: ST headline is a bit misleading....and the MP's question is a little pre-mature, there is only one type approved currently.  

"Anyway, in the immediate term, only the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has been approved for use," Mr Gan said. "So there is no choice."

Caleb

[5:23 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Mr Louis Chua (Sengkang GRC) asked if individuals will be allowed to choose which vaccine they wish to take, when more than one has been approved for use.

[5:25 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Minister say cannot choose woah. :(

jimmy chew

[5:41 pm, 04/01/2021] +: annual flu jab as 1 in a million can get neuro deficiency problem, my sisters takes it every year, but I don't want to be that 1 in a million person haha

An fan

[5:43 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Why can not choose? Just like BTO, choose to order vaccines.

Caleb

[5:43 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I think already order for everyone liao

[5:43 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 🙊

jimmmy chew

[5:44 pm, 04/01/2021] +: like your medishield

[5:44 pm, 04/01/2021] +: fair and square

Caleb

[5:44 pm, 04/01/2021] +: if not later got excess on 1, then the popular one not enough

An fan

[5:44 pm, 04/01/2021] +: No political pressure for Ministers, just say it is people’s choices

Phyllis

[5:45 pm, 04/01/2021] +: If given a choice, which vaccine would you choose?

An fan

[5:46 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I choose the one with most detailed information, highest successful rate

Caleb

[5:47 pm, 04/01/2021] +: China one, cause is a proven technology. 

Some elderly also prefer that... as what MP have just raised.

SL

[5:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: No scientific test indicator that the existing vaccine is not working on B117 and n501.Y variant.

Nats

[5:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: But it's the stigma we have surrounding China luh, is the same as the data privacy stigma lol

Caleb

[5:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: so another camp, will not want China one

[5:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: so ya

[5:48 pm, 04/01/2021] +: some want China one

An fan

[5:50 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Let people Choose vaccines brand first then make order. Whoever just get what they want. Those do not want yet wait for next batches. Anyway there is not enough for everyone.

[5:51 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Anyway all vaccines must be approved first

SL

[5:51 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Currently only pfizer got the interim authorization for pandemic supply from Singapore Health Sciences Authority (HSA) in December 2020, the rest of vaccine candidate is still under go evaluation by scientist i think.

jimmy chew

[5:53 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Agree, let them choose, then efficacy will be higher

Caleb

[5:53 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I guess some will just choose between mRNA or the traditional vaccines

[5:54 pm, 04/01/2021] +: regardless of brand

Nats

[5:54 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Is there a survey (whether government-sponsored or otherwise) to understand possible options by people?

Caleb

[5:56 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Think the main issue, is got not much brands to choose from.

An fan

[5:56 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Once more vaccines are approved by authorities, it means all are safe. Then let people choose. Then order

[5:57 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 3 or 4 choices are the most. Do not make people confused

Caleb

[5:57 pm, 04/01/2021] +: ya

[5:58 pm, 04/01/2021] +: if not become like that CareShield ...

[5:58 pm, 04/01/2021] +: by then, alot of counties will start ordering

[5:58 pm, 04/01/2021] +: and will have issue getting it quickly

SL

[5:59 pm, 04/01/2021] +: The mechanism letting ppl choose before ordering might take a very long process. By the time it done, we might be not able to get vaccine from manufacturer ontime as other country might ordered large quantity ahead of us.

[6:00 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Vaccine is a hot product on all goverment procurement system and there are so little suppliers now @ global market.

An fan

[6:02 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Comparing to other countries our government did a very good job and we do not need the vaccines urgently

[6:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Let other countries have first, we wait and see, 3 months or 6 months, not bad right?

Caleb

[6:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: anyway I think we can buy first and keep for sometime right?

SL

[6:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: our govt react very fast and considered all important factors before approving the use of vaccine.

Caleb

[6:04 pm, 04/01/2021] +: stokepille, in case of emegency

[6:07 pm, 04/01/2021] +: TraceTogether-only SafeEntry

(ToS) will be for ALL places or selected places ah?

An fan

[6:08 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Yeah better

Caleb

[6:09 pm, 04/01/2021] +: ok, is ALL places with SE

[6:09 pm, 04/01/2021] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-more-than-42m-people-using-tracetogether-token-distribution-to-resume?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg

[6:09 pm, 04/01/2021] +: https://www.safeentry.gov.sg/tracetogether-only-safeentry

SL

[6:10 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Pfizer vaccine can store up to 6 months. Can refer to attach WHO document. 

https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1324092/retrieve

[6:12 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Very hard... it will be less effective aft approved storage period.

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Boon

[6:26 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I think this “choice” idea touches on a key question - where can we/the vaccine consumers get relatively unbiased and objective information on the vaccine, the potential side effects and how to recognize them? Mr Google, sponsored ads, Ms Wikipedia, “my friends” or forwarded WhatsApp messages should not be the sources that we depend on for such important info to educate ourselves and to be more informed.

Nats

[6:27 pm, 04/01/2021] +: You forgot "my close friend" 😂

Boon

[6:27 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 😅

SL

[6:36 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I got the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine info from WHO website via google. 

This report was prepared by the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization Working Group on COVID-19 vaccines. I believed what it said is fact. 

Maybe we can use the WHO reports as reading material.

[6:39 pm, 04/01/2021] +: I think as long as the information fact published on website can be cross examinated, it can be rely upon to an acceptable degree.

Ben

[6:52 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍exactly

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[6:59 pm, 04/01/2021] +: Vaccinating population against COVID-19 requires ‘considerable resources’, to be key focus in 2021: Gan Kim Yong https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-bookings-gan-kim-yong-parliament-13890030#.X_L08e-0gWc.whatsapp

Boon

[7:01 pm, 04/01/2021] +: 👍 thank you for the reference !

An Enlightened Being in Middle Path

空                    色

Supramundane              Mundane

（出世间法）                         （世间法）

(Emptiness)            (Sensual Desire)

Opposing Physical States

1. Nirvana （涅槃）                  1. Universe (宇宙）

2. Nirvana Law （涅槃法）      2. Universal Law （宇宙法）

3. Nirvana Beings （涅槃者）  3. 6 Realms sentinent beings (六道众生）

Opposing Characteristics Attributes

1. No-Self / Selfless (无我/大舍)  1. Greed (贪）

2. Compassion （大慈大悲）      2. Hatred / Anger (嗔）

3. Panna Wisdom (般若智慧）    3. Ignorance (痴）

Opposing Mental States

1. Eternal (永生）                             1. Transient (生老病死）

2. Permanent (常）                           2. Impermanence (无常）

3. Bliss （永乐）                             3. Unsatisfactoriness（喜怒哀乐）

4. Serenity (清净）                          4. Vexation (烦恼）

5. Cessation of Karma (因果灭） 5. Karma (因果)

REACH 177 - Phase 3 - Possible returning to Office (SK)

16 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

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[11:02 am, 16/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢

While Phase 3 will begin on Dec 28, Prime Minister urged residents to not let their guard down, as COVID-19 is “most likely still circulating silently within our community”.

Manpower Minister Josephine Teo also said that the multi-ministry task force has been discussing whether restrictions on returning to offices can be further loosened. 

💬 As Singapore moves into Phase 3, what are your views about the possible relaxed restrictions on returning to offices?

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/jobs/mom-to-announce-updates-on-returning-to-offices-in-phase-3-soon-josephine-teo

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[11:06 am, 16/12/2020] +: I think remain at 50% WFH is good

[11:06 am, 16/12/2020] +: if anyone got the virus, the whole 50% will be on LOA

[11:06 am, 16/12/2020] +: Really hard to work 😅 the discipline and the clear define of work hours

[11:08 am, 16/12/2020] +: With this change in trends, how many sectors will see an increased rate of WFH and will this carry on or will we return to the old normal, work wise?

[11:15 am, 16/12/2020] +: This could be linked to the vaccination program. Once vaccinated then go back to office...

[11:19 am, 16/12/2020] +: no sure is that a incentive, or a disincentive

[11:20 am, 16/12/2020] +: Just to share

1. Heard fr My fren that her Co will convert to wfh style for some dept while those in operation is unable to do so n will be back to work.

The co still in the processing of working out the plan.

2. One of Co in balestier that my fren went for interview is masklesss. Ppls still walk freely without mask to pantry, reception no mask etcc..sigh

3. Even I went to collect mmy online purchase, one of the co in jurong east, the receptionist. Dun wear mask.   Think these Co are to relax. 

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For relax restriction, one still need to practise the safe distancing measures, do not share food (use common utensil), scheduled diff working time etc.

[11:51 am, 16/12/2020] +: Yes I agree. People are all too relaxed. Look at the malls and the restaurants. All like mad. Many seem to have not eaten before for a long time or haven't been to malls for a long time. People are getting complacent and are not being careful. And guess what? If any thing happens they will blame the government again. Ungrateful people who are selfish and only think of themselves.

[11:55 am, 16/12/2020] +: It is hard, not sure if they don’t go restaurant cannot survive. 

If no one go mall soon all shops close down. 

Seen many have closed. Mindset have to change but what can we do?

[11:57 am, 16/12/2020] +: Word! Too complacent, everything blame garmen. 🙄

[11:58 am, 16/12/2020] +: They are alr in 3.5 phase. saw pppls house with so many shoes gathering, mcp carpark gathering. . With mask wee hrs .. Reported thru oneservice app n get close case promptly when reoccurance issue kept surfacing.

Does it help.? Pondering..

[11:58 am, 16/12/2020] +: After 28 Dec, everybody go to Phase 5

[11:58 am, 16/12/2020] +: Likely

[11:58 am, 16/12/2020] +: After 31 Dec can phase out already 😂

[11:59 am, 16/12/2020] +: I met up with some friends on Saturday for brunch. I put my mask back on right after eating cos we're still chatting, but my friend was like "why are you putting your mask on already? Put a glass of water in front of you lah. I can't hear whatever you're saying". 🙄

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: OMG you need new friends sia

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Totally...

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: We have to keep up with the changing trends. I have seen more people using Grab pay, apple pay and google pay.

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: That's why I hate humans

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Many play with the rules mah

[0:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Angry but we talk to them, they fight back 🤷🏻‍♂️

Social responsibility not there nothing much we can do

[0:01 pm, 16/12/2020] +: So I hope the govt won't be too quick to reopen offices. Please please please please keep the WFH

[0:01 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Lol.. google till September if not wrong

[0:01 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Government yet to declare till when

[0:01 pm, 16/12/2020] +: My office no clear sign to go back office yet

[0:02 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Mainly follow gov guide

[0:02 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Or encourage hotdesking, such that you need to book to go back to office and only for essential meetings, and you can book to use desks in between meetings

[0:04 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Lol. Jump 2 phase. Lii hai

[0:05 pm, 16/12/2020] +: We now in phase 2, people already in 3.5. That's 1.5 phases already what. Jump 2 phase is not that far. 🤭

[0:09 pm, 16/12/2020] +: IMHO, the reopening into phases should also be staggered. First you open up for social gatherings (so what has been announced already), but you should wait for at least a month or 2 to see if there are any changes to the numbers before you expand that interaction further to go back to work or other activities. To me that's what a calculated risk and turning the switches back on should look like. Not one phase then half the world opens up. If something goes wrong, you won't be able to pinpoint what exactly it is.

[0:11 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Defend.

Some eateriess bo.chap , can let patron wander ard without mask. Eg mos burger.. Ppls eat finish ,  want to top up food , go to kiosk without mask n did purchase.    2 ambassadors just stood there and use phone.  Another case no safe distancing queue, ambassador just take photo.... Snap snap..no action is done.

So what is the role of ambassador?

[0:13 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Ambassador = come and bark at you to maintain distance, then after that stand around amongst themselves without maintaining distance. So "do as I say, not as I do". 🙄

[0:14 pm, 16/12/2020] +: The morning peak n pm train Onwards at transit starting are pack. No distancing one... Some ppls just squeeze into train.

[0:14 pm, 16/12/2020] +: And then people wearing mask with nose hanging out. All. The. Frigging. Time.

[0:15 pm, 16/12/2020] +: I've stopped taking public transport. If I do need to go out, I'll take a cab and keep my mask on the whole ride. Then hand sanitiser once when I get in and once when I get out.

[0:16 pm, 16/12/2020] +: I second this

[0:16 pm, 16/12/2020] +: No rush to ease on returning back to Office

[0:16 pm, 16/12/2020] +: If anything we should still stick to 50%

[0:16 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Everyone in favour say aye!

[0:16 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Aye

[0:17 pm, 16/12/2020] +: This is got BCP if tio half will be down at least the organization can still function

[0:17 pm, 16/12/2020] +: *for

[0:17 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Then they like to take photo..instead of actioning.... Wondering got kpi To meet to show the no. Of photo they caught.

[0:18 pm, 16/12/2020] +: I told my friend that she should've taken a photo of the SDAs clustering and chatting without maintaining distance

[0:19 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Ya. In case The circut  break.

[0:19 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Apart fr that,  must the. 4 guards deployed at mrt walk side by side so close

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: They are a group of 4 😂

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: They eat together

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: I hope circuit break again sia. Hopefully can whack the complacency out of some people's thick skulls

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Toilet tog

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Everything tog

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: You don't complain about this one

[0:20 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Covid together.... 🤭

[0:21 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Agreed

[0:21 pm, 16/12/2020] +: But like seriously though, I think we're overcrowded.......

[0:22 pm, 16/12/2020] +: No. Dun have. But I Saw.ppls taking photos off crowd

[0:23 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Hhmm...

[0:23 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Sg is already overcrowded. Before COVID came. 😂

[0:24 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-09/five-minutes-from-20-feet-away-south-korean-study-shows-perils-of-indoor-dining-for-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR2eBJoRgwiLyQUXTbT6QGFJUhSVPaRwjqzPvFncoRktenWLnIjqQcS90Ws

My close friend contribute this article.

Covid-19 still infectious unless vaccinated.

[0:25 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Maybe should keep the odd and even IC number outings... 🤭 If IC end with odd number and you come out on even number days, orh hor... Kena fine.... Muahahahahhaa

[0:26 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Actually there are studies that show that you still can be infected and transmit the virus even if you're vaccinated, just that you won't show symptoms or you won't be hit as hard.

[0:26 pm, 16/12/2020] +: As much as it sounds better as a joke, we shouldn't move backwards 

Ok, deal with those errant bodohs but don't affect those who are already starting to get used to the new normal

[0:27 pm, 16/12/2020] +: That is for lock down. If not family and friends how

[0:28 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Of course it's a joke lah. But you get my point. It's too crowded, everywhere is packed, no one is maintaining a distance and there's no space to keep any distance.

[0:29 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Distancing is impossible already, so fallback to wearing masks properly and practising personal hygiene

[0:30 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Distancing is impossible, people not wearing masks properly, hygiene well....

[0:30 pm, 16/12/2020] +: But not all are not wearing properly 

Compared to distancing, more can be done for the other two

[0:33 pm, 16/12/2020] +: 🤣

[0:35 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Makes sense yes, stagger 2 months apart for major changes like this

[0:41 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Many countries including Asia countries experience 2nd and 3rd wave reinfection.

2. This is due to too lax relaxation of social distancing measures.

3. I feel that unless the people have been mostly vaccinated.

4. Else shouldn't we still stick to 50% work from home and stagger with 50% work in office - to prevent 2nd wave reinfection?

[0:54 pm, 16/12/2020] +: 😨

[0:56 pm, 16/12/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vaccine-wont-be-a-silver-bullet-experts-warn

[1:15 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Totally agreed 👍

[1:21 pm, 16/12/2020] +65 9699 9865: agree

[1:30 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://m.facebook.com/100001927612483/posts/4755375044536702/?d=w

[1:31 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Contributed by my close friend:-

1. Very good video explaining the mRNA - where Pfizer and moderna vaccines are based on.

2. It will be a useful technique to develop future vaccines to tackle Disease X.

3. Dr Fauci hope that these vaccines will be effective for a couple of years to curb at least few cycles of covid-19 infection.

4. If necessary, a booster will be introduced if the anti-bodies of these vaccines fade off.

Ken

[1:34 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Booster only work if the virus don’t change too much from the design vaccine target

Caleb

[1:35 pm, 16/12/2020] +: so far, like no news on how long the vaccine can last and need a booster right?

CQ

[1:36 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Information not available, because not enough time has elapsed for them to do that study

[1:38 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Dr Fauci say they don't know.

[1:41 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Dr Fauci also give credit to China medical scientists who work out the covid-19 gene sequencing and put it into the internet.

So that Dr Fauci team and international medical scientists can go ahead to develop the vaccines.

[1:50 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Take time to study.. based on antibody assay to determine... it start to go down after 2 month.. but how much antibody is effective yet to understood fully

[2:27 pm, 16/12/2020] +: 😂

Boon

[2:33 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Move towards normalisation. If the rest of the society is doing so, why not at work? Amidst the concerns about jobs and employments, and using WFH as a life style balance or to cut costs, shouldn’t MOM and we also consider and discussed how long term WFH impacts individual’s career, skills like leadership and employability?

[2:35 pm, 16/12/2020] +: I’d suggest we consider these angles together with the pace of normalization. Thanks

[3:17 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. It is either 50-50% or 100% work at office.

2. Because other ratio don't make sense eg. 60-40% or 80-20%.

It means one side is over-staff and the other side under-staff.

3. If phase 3 adopt 100% in office - 2nd or 3rd wave infection come - like what EU and Asia countries experiencing - do we scramble back to CB - as vaccination has still not begin?

4. However when many people are vaccinated - then going back 100% to work should not be a problem.

REACH

[3:28 pm, 16/12/2020] +: New COVID-19 grant to be launched to help lower- to middle-income workers

A new scheme will be introduced to help Singaporeans and permanent residents affected by the COVID-19 pandemic, the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) said on Wednesday (Dec 16).

The COVID-19 Recovery Grant, which will be launched on Jan 18, focuses on lower- to middle-income workers and self-employed people.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-grant-lower-middle-income-workers-january-13782612

[3:29 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My friend comments:-

I don't think we should dictate. 

Let businesses decide. 

More about how they can enforce staff to carry tracetogether tokens, wear facemasks at work and distance themselves while having lunch and meetings where there are more conversations. 

Where shared workspaces are practice, how individuals maintain the hygiene standards for themselves and co-workers who are sharing the space with them etc.

CQ

[3:31 pm, 16/12/2020] +: If let businesses decide then confirm 100% liao what, what distancing? 🙄

[3:46 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My comments:-

For this 2nd option, if business kenna covid - it has to close shop for 14 days.

REACH

[3:31 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Taxi, private-hire car drivers to get S$133 million additional COVID-19 support from January

Taxi and private-hire car drivers are set to receive an additional S$133 million in support from the Government, in a move aimed at moderating the impact from the cessation of a relief scheme for self-employed workers, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA) on Wednesday (Dec 16).

The additional support will come under a new COVID-19 Driver Relief Fund, and is on top of the S$55 million already committed to the existing Special Relief Fund, said LTA in a news release.

More:

- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/taxi-private-hire-car-drivers-to-get-133-million-covid-19-relief-13782610

- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/about-s-1-8-billion-paid-out-to-200-000-self-employed-people-13782614

[3:32 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Our gov rush us for using of TT. but like no communication to business on how to scan these tokens.

[3:32 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Many places don't have QR code reader to scan

[3:33 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Can gov get ur act together.

[3:33 pm, 16/12/2020] +: like SG TOGETHER

[3:34 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Like MRT stations

[3:34 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Not necessary yet

[3:35 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Giving examples. Like they said all places will become ToS by next year Q1

[3:35 pm, 16/12/2020] +: With the business and building owners

[3:38 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Then rushed to Phase 3 liao.

REACH

[3:41 pm, 16/12/2020] +: 12 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all imported

Twelve new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Wednesday (Dec 16), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its daily preliminary update. 

All 12 cases were imported and were placed on stay-home notice or isolated upon their arrival in Singapore, the ministry said. 

No new cases were found in the community and in foreign workers' dormitories.

Details of the new cases will be released on Wednesday night, MOH said.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-dec-16-new-cases-imported-local-community-dormitory-moh-13781440

Caleb

[4:36 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Means no need safe distance in eat place Liao. 😂

[4:37 pm, 16/12/2020] +: “Even if there is distancing, as this shows and other studies show, the distancing is not enough.”

[5:23 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

Multiple FA (factor authentication) available now in singpass.

This is much safer than 2FA - as SMS OTP landed on the same handphone can also be compromised.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singpass-facial-verification-2fa-sms-authentication-govtech-13782108

[5:25 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

[1:24 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

2fa help but if Hackers manage to download malware into the handphone, then only multiple fa is safer.

[5:27 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

CNA - Additional authentication factors such as passwords and SMS-OTP may also be required in addition to biometrics for more sensitive transactions. This is to ensure that someone with similar features, such as an identical twin, will not have access to the account, GovTech said.

[6:24 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

[1:30 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. A malware if download into a handphone, can be a keylogger.

1. If type password, userid, it will capture the key stroke.

2. If OTP landed on the same handphone, the malware will also capture the OTP.

3. Then hackers can make use of the capture credentials to steal bank deposit, shares, insurance etc one shot and then say bye bye.

Stan

[6:27 pm, 16/12/2020] +: But OTP is randomly change, what is captured will not apply in next attempt.

Blue and White Flag Guy

[6:27 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Don't entertain him can liao lol

[6:29 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

When capture - it is pipe into hacker server - who will make used of it first before user do.

Automated is faster than user's hand.

[6:37 pm, 16/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And malwares can change user key stroke of the OTP eg.

123456 to 654321 - make user input invalid - while hacker key in the right OTP to login.

REACH

[7:00 pm, 16/12/2020] +: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

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REACH 177 - Cont'd - PM announcement of Phase 3 and Vaccination strategy (SK)

15 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

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[11:00 am, 15/12/2020] +: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong delivered two key messages yesterday: 

️⃣ Singapore will move to Phase 3 in two weeks’ time.

️⃣ Singapore will receive vaccines by end December and Singaporeans are expected to be vaccinated by the third quarter of 2021. 

📢 Topic 📢

We want to hear more from you! Please continue sharing your views! 👇

💬 How do you feel about being able to move to Phase 3 in 2 weeks’ time?

💬 What do you think of Singapore’s Covid-19 vaccination strategy?

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[11:12 am, 15/12/2020] +: [Sent by Gov.sg – 15 Dec]

Phase 3 from 28 Dec 2020

- Social gatherings: up to 8 persons 

- Households: up to 8 visitors at a time

- Congregational services, indoor live performances: up to 250 persons (zones of up to 50)

- Live instrumental music allowed for marriage solemnisations in indoor venues, funerals 

📱 Mandatory TraceTogether for SafeEntry check-in to be rolled-out in early 2021

More: go.gov.sg/phase3

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[11:17 am, 15/12/2020] +: What do you think of Singapore’s Covid-19 vaccination strategy?

Perfect. PM Lee had me at "We set aside more than $1 billion. We placed multiple bets, to sign advance purchase agreements". This is the epitome of kiasuism and I'm proud of that. I think MOH will release more details next year when vaccines become widely available for the public. Current plans seem well organized and our senior leaders stepping up to take the vaccine to show to our elderly that vaccines are safe is how I envision leaders to lead from the front. As for the vaccine being free for citizens, really applaud the gov to make this decision. Although it's voluntary, Singaporeans can't pass up anything that's free. So we should see many being vaccinated towards end of next year.

[11:17 am, 15/12/2020] +: All in all, an excellent job so far.

My 2.14 cents

[11:18 am, 15/12/2020] +: Gahmen still has a lot of work to do on communicating messages to the people as @Caleb always highlights

[11:20 am, 15/12/2020] +: 👍👏👌

[11: am, 15/12/2020] +: Phase la 😂

[11:32 am, 15/12/2020] +: May I ask that you re phrase that? 😂

[11:43 am, 15/12/2020] +: With phase 3 opening, Of cos not forgetting we still need to be vigilant on safe cb measurement... It takes everyone to clap... To make sg virus free.

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[11:44 am, 15/12/2020] +: Singapore to launch segregated travel lane for business travellers from all countries

Singapore will launch a new segregated travel lane aimed at business travellers on short-term stays, Minister for Trade and Industry Chan Chun Sing announced on Tuesday (Dec 15).  

The travel lane,or the Connect@Singapore initiative, will be open to a “limited number” of business, official and high economic value travellers from all countries who are staying in Singapore for up to 14 days, said the Ministry of Trade and Industry (MTI) in a separate press release. 

Applications for the segregated travel lane will open in the middle of January 2021, and Singapore can expect the first travellers to arrive from the second half of January, it added. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/segregated-travel-lane-business-travellers-changi-covid-19-13775438

[11:45 am, 15/12/2020] +: Hahaha sorry I bad bad 

But yes totally agree, while yes everyone looks forward to Phase 3, let's not have Footlocker, simi Hotel kind of problems again 

We should learn from our mistakes but not commit it again and again then say failure is the mother of success and what not

[11:45 am, 15/12/2020] +: Any idea what is the hotline to contact for reporting more than 5 guests gathering at home ?

[11:48 am, 15/12/2020] +: Use oneservice app

[11:48 am, 15/12/2020] +: Use OneService app

[11:48 am, 15/12/2020] +: Hahaha let the ambassador answer 😂

[11:48 am, 15/12/2020] +: Take the photo of the shoes outside..

[11:49 am, 15/12/2020] +: See, trained ambassador sia Xanice

[11:49 am, 15/12/2020] +: I use at least once or twice per wk.

[11:49 am, 15/12/2020] +: Haven't tio blacklist ah 😆

[11:50 am, 15/12/2020] +: If got the oneservice award for my estate.. I think I will be the winner.

[11:50 am, 15/12/2020] +: Then everyone will stare at you 

OH SO YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BAOTOH

[11:51 am, 15/12/2020] +: Recently, puas off..tc Close my case with even verifying the case complete.. If got zero star will go r them..

I repeat the report again. Irritating...

[11:52 am, 15/12/2020] +: Look on the very brigt side(pls wear sunglasses if need), I'm contributing to the cleanliness, welfare of the resident here... Etc..

[11:52 am, 15/12/2020] +: *Bright

[11:52 am, 15/12/2020] +: In preparation for WEF!

[11:52 am, 15/12/2020] +: My name already damn bright 😎

[11:53 am, 15/12/2020] +: I agree for this

[11:53 am, 15/12/2020] +: Well done

[11:53 am, 15/12/2020] +: We need more ppl who will report to authorities or TC when there’s an issue rather than take photo and rant on FB

[11:54 am, 15/12/2020] +: And I can translate this to SMRT context OMG

[11:54 am, 15/12/2020] +: Thank u hor until lol.. Loop in lot of agencies.. 'bo eng'...

I also bo Eng.. Why pub call me, mata call me, hdb call me etc..

[11:54 am, 15/12/2020] +: You famous, all the gahmen agencies know u, u dunno them 😂

[11:54 am, 15/12/2020] +: Wah

[11:56 am, 15/12/2020] +: 👍🏻

[11:56 am, 15/12/2020] +: If they cal you means they care

[11:56 am, 15/12/2020] +: wecare 😂

[11:57 am, 15/12/2020] +: If no calls and ticket just close you know who’s not doing their jobs

[11:57 am, 15/12/2020] +: Lol.. I was given all sort numbers to call.. But I guess those are useless(tried, acknowledge my call but still bo lai to catch them) except 999(of cos, dun anyhow misuse. But to suggest to call my  neighbourhood mata instead only) .. Lol..

[11:57 am, 15/12/2020] +: Typical CRM 

I want reach KPI, I dun wan reach the customer 👀

[11:58 am, 15/12/2020] +: Then I asked back them what is tc role.. Why I report the cases.. Not tc liaises with pub.. Become me liaise .. Si mi logic

[11:58 am, 15/12/2020] +: I also reach my kpi oneservice app quote leh.. Lol luckily, they no limit.. If not kana ban...

[11:59 am, 15/12/2020] +: I also joking about the blacklist one cuz last time I send so many to LTA my mum also say eh they never blacklist u ah 😂

[11:59 am, 15/12/2020] +: Lot of cases fr hdb n tc. Just close until I kept reopening.. No bian then I show my red card.. Lol..

[11:59 am, 15/12/2020] +: Lol. They see yr email.. Later go junk email..

[0:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Cos you know where the issue is mah

[0:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: If TC ask you and tell them, they ask another question TC got to ask you again

[0:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I asked the relevant parties, didn't tc fwd u the photo. The poor guy said no. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[0:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Then yours also ma

[0:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Why hai.. Then just push back the report to me again.. Then I got to send him the photo in his phone upon request.. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[0:03 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Lol.. Yes, until I show my red card then they all do something.. Yellow card not pow-d-erful

[0:04 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Your card not powerful, I do CRM before so I know got SLA 

I create my own internal CRM system pressurise them 😏

[0:04 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Mentioning abt fb photo.

Even ambassador in the shopping mall took photo.. Stand aside bit do nothing when those ppls queue without safe distancing etc..

So what is the objective?

[0:05 pm, 15/12/2020] +: 👍👏

[0:07 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I even talk to the cleaning agent of tc whom I happen to meet to tell them catching trail of ants so difficult.. Need 4 times to report even after tc state job done. No solve root cause...

[0:08 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. We have finally come to the last stretch of the covid-19 pandemic - a tragedy of mammoth proportion.

2. A vaccine strategy to defeat the virus pandemic.

3. This final stretch will still last for about a year until 3Q 2021 - if things go well smoothly.

4. For this last final stretch, we will still have to go on with masks, social distancing - as the population get vaccinated progressively.

5. Hopefully, the vaccines prove its efficacy and safety - and defeat the covid-19 as it design to be.

6. And hopefully, humanity get back to normal lives - albeit pre-covid state prevail - and our economy and world economy recovers, business are revive and jobs recreated.

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[0:09 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Secondary 1 posting results to be released on Dec 22

The Secondary 1 posting results will be released next Tuesday (Dec 22) at 9am, the Ministry of Education (MOE) announced. 

The posting results can be accessed through the following channels: 

- Short Messaging System (SMS) text messaging, if it was provided during the application process

- S1 Internet System; or

- At the student's primary school 

More:

- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/secondary-1-posting-results-to-be-released-on-dec-22-13775358

- https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/press-releases/2020-secondary-1-posting-results

[0:11 pm, 15/12/2020] +: This one need pest control

[0:11 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Usually TC will have checks

[0:15 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I'm thankful for PM Lee's updates. It has been some time since the last update. I guess some of the people may be as anxious as me of the plans in future. Here are some questions I have, or perhaps some citizens may have. 

1) I presume that there is no Phase 4 after Phase 3. Afterall, when most ppl are vaccinated and we can resume all activities. 

2) Is there any indicator (eg. 75% of population vaccinated) before we can resume our activities.

[0:21 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Property mgr Still can call me first time..job done next few days. I straight away  told him.. Done.. Have u check.. Have it resolve the roof cause not on surface only.. Trail ants is bad till ard mailbox, rubbish bin ard floor n lead to those living level 2...

So after pestering... 4 times, clean job done..

[0:21 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I beg to differ 。 the classic recent example was the bus shelter case at Sengkang or Ponggol ? Feedback was given to the relevant authority and each push to the other. When it was put on social media , suddenly somebody in one Govt related Dept realised cannot push anymore to others and immediately have it done within a week !!!!!!!

Credit all want to claim but when come to cost , all just push . Typically in private and public sector !!!

[0:22 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Punggol

[0:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: That should be last resort

[0:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: But my reports never go social media they also solve 

Cuz when they throw me to wrong agency they'll kena scolding 😂

They think I stupid only hahahaha

[0:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: If everyone just spam Social Media with defects or issues then OneService app can throw away liao

[0:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Lol

[0:24 pm, 15/12/2020] +: And this is pretty common

[0:24 pm, 15/12/2020] +: But also must see the uptake rate 

It's good to have multiple ways to feedback, but most important is how to consolidate everything on backend

[0:25 pm, 15/12/2020] +: At Kadaloor lrt station before the shelters were built, it was constructed from the blocks until close to the pavement

[0:25 pm, 15/12/2020] +: The pavement had another shelter to a nearby school

[0:25 pm, 15/12/2020] +: End up the shelter did not connect and rain water entered the shelter

[0:25 pm, 15/12/2020] +: No post on Social Media

[0:25 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Basically as the designer/architect, we can't think from our perspective 

We must think from the end-users' perspective :)

[0:26 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Just tell MP when house visit

[0:26 pm, 15/12/2020] +: They will check it out themselves

[0:26 pm, 15/12/2020] +: End up LTA and HDB work together to get it down

[0:26 pm, 15/12/2020] +: *done

[0: pm, 15/12/2020] +: Pavement along the road is LTA jurisdiction and inside is HDB

[0: pm, 15/12/2020] +: Some legit dunno where to feedback so they go social media 

Some just outright attention seeking lol 

There'll be such people one, question is how to consolidate everything on the backend despite of the different avenues available for people to do so

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[0:34 pm, 15/12/2020] +: [Sent by Gov.sg – 15 Dec]

💉 COVID-19 vaccination

- Stringent processes for safety and efficacy 

- Vaccination voluntary but strongly encouraged 

- Free for Singaporeans, long-term residents in SG; all will be able to get vaccinated by end-2021

- Priority for healthcare & frontline workers, elderly & vulnerable 

More: go.gov.sg/vaccines-14dec

[0:41 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Agree. Did you get the person's name. This is the tai chi that happens if reference to the satay stick. We got some bad civil servants in the woodwork 😜

[0:41 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I thot one service will ensure completion?

[0:44 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Maybe they want to teach us patience 😜 don't bother us we got more strategic business to do

[0:49 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I agree on this, the older generations tend to go to the CC or even MPS for feedback

[0:50 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Maybe we should get citizens to evaluate the various ministry for improvements. I just went to CPF board efficient and cold but the conter staff who served me was caring and open to my request rather than throw the 'book' on me and said cannot be done.

[0:52 pm, 15/12/2020] +: We can be efficient and warm and have emphaty. Maybe this is the next level for them

[1:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Not true. So many times. Close my cases that I kept opening the same one n put in reoccurrence issue

[1:03 pm, 15/12/2020] +: A grandmother takes her tech game to the next level

Faridah Mansoor uses mobile apps and social media to stay in touch with loved ones, and takes up digital courses to keep up with the times.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/brandstudio/sgtogetherbettertomorrow/a-grandmother-takes-her-tech-game-to-the-next-level-13750544

[1:05 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I heard about this before

[1:06 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Some staff love to prematurely close a case even before the problem is resolved

[1:06 pm, 15/12/2020] +: So that it looks good on their kpi

[1:06 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Yes like I said jn lor

[1:06 pm, 15/12/2020] +: ^

[1:07 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. The official launch of vaccination strategy is dubbed the D-Day.

2. Initiatives to retake and regain what humans have lost to covid-19 - our economy, our business, our travel, our jobs and our health.

[1:26 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Even xx call me to 'force' me to say yes that situation improve..

I said.. Not true.. Factor include weather plays apart.. Recently kept rain.. Of cos, no one zooming motor n gathering more than 5 ppls at wee hrs. Qns back how often they spot check.. What time they come.. If come wrong tr of cos won't catch etc... He hmm..

[2:03 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccine-moderna-supply-agreement-moh-13775604

[3:11 pm, 15/12/2020] +: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIznMfojqR5/?igshid=895s0ypibexk

Well done!

[3:12 pm, 15/12/2020] +: They build the bubble in Sg.

[3:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Bubble pop by Hyuna?

[3:21 pm, 15/12/2020] +: No. Is by Temasak

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[3:43 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Singapore reports 1 new COVID-19 infection in dormitory, 15 imported cases

Sixteen new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Tuesday (Dec 15), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its daily preliminary update.

One case was reported in a foreign workers’ dormitory. 

The remaining 15 cases were imported and all were placed on stay-home notice or isolated upon their arrival in Singapore, said MOH.

Details of the new cases will be released on Tuesday night, it said. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-dec-15-new-cases-imported-local-community-dormitory-moh-13774916

[3:47 pm, 15/12/2020] +: https://token.gowhere.gov.sg/?result=&status=show-all

Tampines can collect liao

[3:47 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Better collect. Later no more Liao

[3:48 pm, 15/12/2020] +: As in the Tampines CC, stop distribution.

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[4:12 pm, 15/12/2020] +: [Sent by Gov.sg – 15 Dec]

Phase 3 from 28 Dec 2020

- Social gatherings: up to 8 persons 

- Households: up to 8 visitors at a time

- Congregational services, indoor live performances: up to 250 persons (zones of up to 50)

- Live instrumental music allowed for marriage solemnisations in indoor venues, funerals 

💉 COVID-19 vaccination

- Stringent processes for safety and efficacy 

- Vaccination voluntary but strongly encouraged 

- Free for Singaporeans, long-term residents in SG; all will be able to get vaccinated by end-2021

- Priority for healthcare & frontline workers, elderly & vulnerable 

📱 Mandatory TraceTogether for SafeEntry check-in to be rolled-out in early 2021

More: 

go.gov.sg/phase3

go.gov.sg/vaccines-14dec

[4:49 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Is it CCs has a range of date for collection?

[4:49 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Last week I remember got bukit batok area.

[5:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: My area. Tomorrow start. If you are collecting tomorrow, look for me.

[5:03 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Thank you for your service @Sam! 😊

[5:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Which cc?

[5:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: He Changkat iirc

[5:54 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Wonder how does the Government conduct the vaccination? In polyclinics, hospitals or CC?

Caleb

[5:55 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I don't think will be in poly or Hospital. There is not much available space

[5:56 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

2. Also wonder how do people know when is their turn to get vaccination? Will they be informed through MOH letter or SMS or other means?

[5:58 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Correct. They shd be bringing the health care to each estate n schedule it blar..

Else dedicated clinic for jab.

[5:58 pm, 15/12/2020] +: MOH will release more info closer bah.

[5:58 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Got suggestion in mind?

[5:58 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Now is too early to say anything

[5:59 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

3. Will people be notified which vaccines they will get - if they are notified for vaccinations and how many doses within how many days apart if people needs to get more than 1 doses.

[6:00 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Wait for more details on the announcement by moh.

Then like how do one know when do collect the token device?

My estate have not started to give yet. How I know when.. They sent resident the pamplet the date to collect this thur only.

[6:00 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Mine also, still says before End of Dec ._.

[6:00 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

 No suggestions, just thinking aloud - so that government can come out with answers when the vaccination start which is about 2 weeks down the road.

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I tot each get 2 doses n 21 days apart.

Usually, get the first dose, the next appt will be schedule mah..

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Don't think will be open for the general population so soon

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Is health care workers first ma

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: And those elderly with medical condition

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: 3Q 2021 right? So after inject can go ride TEL2 liao hor 😏

[6:01 pm, 15/12/2020] +: And maybe FW?

[6:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Long term residence means those one S Pass and work permits?

[6:02 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Got no more meh? Then call the hotline to request if really dun have

[6:03 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Last week I remember got bukit batok area.

[6:03 pm, 15/12/2020] +: But not in the list liao

[6:05 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. Will MOH list down those medical conditions have been trial and not affected by the vaccines.

5. And if possible, list down those medical conditions or long term medication that have not been trial.

[6:05 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

With the vaccines.

[6:07 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Thought everyone medical record in database, can check. Else they might ask one to fill up form to declare.

[6:08 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

6. For those who will not undergo vaccination like children under 16, pregnant women, immuno- compromised - are they expected to wear masks even if the vaccination are completed?

If not, what mitigation measures are considered?

[6:09 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Maybe they have a lighter version or normal flu jab for these ppls.

[6:10 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. After pregnancy, will the women be getting the jab so as to protect them?

[6:10 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

8. Are children below 16 safe without vaccination?

[6:11 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or the children have to wait until 16 years old to get vaccinated ?

[6:13 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Cause the study didn’t include 16 and below so no data to make the decision

[6:13 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Same refer back to the study

[6:15 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

9. In the event if someone has adverse reactions to the vaccines, what remedies or responses to take in treating the person?

[6:15 pm, 15/12/2020] +: It depends. Eg if the woman is bf then I think advisable not to blar unless otherwise...

[6:15 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Simi is bf

[6:16 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Refer to the study known side effects are there will be treated accordingly.

[6:16 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Being forced?

[6:16 pm, 15/12/2020] +: breastfeed

[6:16 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Oh

[6:16 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Breastfeeding..

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: This chart refers to the chance of participant reaction and the percentage affects based on 16 to 55 and 55 and above

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: LOL You control ah 😂

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Idk ma, just a guess

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I have no answer to all the above questions.

Just thinking aloud and hope the government will have considered all the above questions and have good responses to tackle them - so that people will be reassured - and effectively take the vaccines and curb covid-19 once and for all.

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: 👍Only woman know

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Secret code

[6:17 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Please lor I got more secret code than you 👀

[6:18 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Shd be voluntary

[6:18 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I know u know.. Yours are complicated

[6:18 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Im thinking along the line of peer pressure

[6:20 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Saw newspaper always requesting for volunteers. Paid their tot fees n medical and some give vouchers.

[6:20 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I dont mind leh! Where to sign up?

[6:21 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I always see those ads in the lift of hospital, but when i enquire, they say its closed

[6:22 pm, 15/12/2020] +: 👀

[6:22 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Next time I see.. I pm u..

[6:22 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Please, thanks

[6:22 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Its for the greater good ma

[6:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Then did u donate blood?

[6:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I wanted to, but rejected

[6:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: I got heart murmur

[6:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Ooh

[6:23 pm, 15/12/2020] +: And childhood trauma so cant see blood

[6:27 pm, 15/12/2020] +: 😱Oh. Do take care.

[6:29 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Nothing serious la

[6:29 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Not on medication or done any surgery before

[6:43 pm, 15/12/2020] +: But still need to be @@

[6:43 pm, 15/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

As part of brainstorming session, my close friend suggest correlating how an election is conducted - and correspond to how people are picked for vaccination:-

How does gov conduct elections? 

A. Only citizens come of age eligible to vote. Citizens above 16 are offered  vaccinations.

B. One man one vote. One citizen one dose.

C. Mobile polling stations. 

Mobile vaccination booths. 

D. How electors are assigned to polling stations. 

How citizens can be assigned to vaccination booths.

E. How gov update electors who voted or not. 

How citizens who have or missed their vaccinations can be tracked. 

See all the similarities?

There is already a proven model if gov wants to systematically deliver these vaccinations.

[6:51 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Tot all along estate vaccination alr in place. Eg those in 40 are schedule dunno what jab. Those elderly are schedule some checkup.

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[6:45 pm, 15/12/2020] +: Dear Contributors!

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Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

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REACH 176 - Tracetogether & PM announcement of Phase 3 and Vaccination strategy (SK)

14 Dec 2020 (11am - 9pm)

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[0:20 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢 

The adoption of the TraceTogether app and tokens stand at more than 60 per cent, getting closer to the 70 per cent target required to move to Phase 3. 

💬 How can we encourage fellow citizens to download the TraceTogether app or collect the TraceTogether token? 

The Smart Nation and Digital Government Group (SNDGG)  is engaging the public face-to-face by having Smart Nation Ambassadors stationed at TraceTogether education booths in shopping malls all over Singapore. 

At these roadshows, the ambassadors help members of the public set up the app, run them through the registration process and its features. They also help troubleshoot for those who have technical issues.

There is also a Group Check-in feature which members of the public can use to add their family members. They can use this when checking in to a location together, which would help ease queues at the entrance of public spaces. 

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/tracetogether-app-token-adoption-phase-3-13748714 

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pm-lee-hsien-loong-address-nation-covid-19-update-singapore-13762704 

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccine-muis-permissible-for-muslim-use-halal-13762806

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[0:23 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I wonder what the announcement will be later

[0:23 pm, 14/12/2020] +Do you want MRT announcement? 🚇

[0:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🤔

[0:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🤭

[0:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I think most likely is phase 3 not so soon open

[0:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Gg

[0:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🤭

[0:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ya ah unlikely if this take up rate even lesser than ahem 69.87% (sorry I naughty)

[0:27 pm, 14/12/2020] +: when will it be ready for all to collect?

[0:27 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-genetics-idUSKBN28L256

My close friend comments: Impt finding

[0:27 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh good.

More such findings will help medical scientists develop treatment drugs that will help to prevent deterioration and help quick recovery.

If REACH open, suggest posting this article so that our medical scientists can research for treatment drugs.

[0:27 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ya I have same question 

Like I told @Desmond Koh hor my TT cannot go online for some reason so can't scan the SE QR so I waiting for token also 

So like what the forwarded messages say, start again from 19/12?

[0:29 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Many of the people I know collected and have been using the tracetogether token already.

Very useful tool.

[0:30 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Many people are also not using and put it in their drawer to collect dust.

[0:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +Sorry Desmond bro for the tag hahaha 😬 I not here to pressure you one 😂

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: OSA! haha

but then all the MSM already full force telling you no Phase 3 in December 2020 le

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/tracetogether-app-token-adoption-phase-3-13748714

>70% then can Phase 3..

the announcement likely to tell:

About the road map of Phase 3 and beyond...

the vaccine road map

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: My whole family haven’t collected yet lol

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +Idw derail so much cuz I'm also concerned 

So just like why people leave REACH groups, do up a survey to understand why some people still don't want to use TT, is it privacy? Is it battery? Is it they just don't have the ability to and still waiting for physical token? 

Cover every pigu corner, leave no stone unturned if not later got snake

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: and others stuff lor, we are in technical recession, maybe some new initiative? 

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/singapore-economy-shrank-58-in-q3-better-than-estimate-4-to-6-growth-forecast-for

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Fuyoh!!!

[0:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Best news

[0:35 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://mothership.sg/2020/12/tracetogether-adoption-rate-singapore/

[0:36 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Good about the app is the Group check in feature(which others may not know). Bad is must scan the QR code first before you can check in, there is not auto detect of the locations within the distance. I know there are ppl who are still not their turn to collect the tokens.

[0:36 pm, 14/12/2020] +: my closest friend said, email the TT team here: support@tracetogether.gov.sg.

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +I'd prefer if we can select the TTSE location to check in to, like last time Foursquare but without the anyhow check in from anywhere nonsense of course 

This will allow for a smoother entry to premises 

Who disagrees?

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I was guessing it

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +: But cos they downplayed phase 3

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I under from TT team is that, they dont not want to access GPS location on TT mobile app

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ahahaha prefer go through you cuz you super friendLEE ma 🤭

[0:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +: as TT does not need GPS

[0:38 pm, 14/12/2020] +: as such TT, can't show u the list of nearby places like SPM can

[0:38 pm, 14/12/2020] +: oh i see

[0:38 pm, 14/12/2020] +: unless they can have another app, for people who wants this function, which needs your GPS location.

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +I proposed a similar idea to SBS Transit regarding their fault reporting system, 

Why fight to scan QR when you have alternative? Everytime train got problem I want scan the QR got people blocking, how to scan? 

At the end of the day, I send fault report to +65 9788 4398 (SMRT SNAP•REP) still easier 

So TL;DR, make it easy for people

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Nah

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Then another can of worms if there’s GPS

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +But ST is dead 

Which is really sad

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: GOV IS SPYING ON ME

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Lol

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Mai lah

[0:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: what's ST?

[0:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Another round of headache and need to convince ppl it’s just to find their check in location

[0:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +I mean there's still this loophole, I save all my SE tabs, I can literally stay at home and check in to Bishan Depot without being there 

You get what I mean? 

No choice, we have to blindly trust that people won't abuse

[0:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +Safer

[0:41 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Hence why TT plus SafeEntry is necessary

[0:44 pm, 14/12/2020] +By adopting my idea, we get 

50% Safety 

50% Practicality 

75% Accessibility 

??% Cost-effectiveness 

100% Efficiency 

I think

[0:47 pm, 14/12/2020] +: unless people want to be on SHN

[0:47 pm, 14/12/2020] +: if not, dont think people wiil want to scan in to so many places

[0:48 pm, 14/12/2020] +: well, people can just take a photo of the QR code, then go home and scan it

[0:48 pm, 14/12/2020] +I don't mind scanning, it's already a habit but the thing is if we want to administer efficient entry and exit, we should think of alternatives

[0:49 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/safe-entry-gateway-device-trial-trace-together-downtown-east-13657180

this is slow

[0:50 pm, 14/12/2020] +: fast, is ez-link tap on reader... lol

[0:50 pm, 14/12/2020] +If someday the situation calls for it, and say there's this special way to report your whereabouts on PT, I can easily submit my ride log

[0:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +We discussed and suggested that before but I hear only silence 

Of course I'm fully aware of the drawbacks, some privacy, some practicality but I emphasise more on the practicality part like if people can suka suka change cards then it defeats the purpose

[0:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +: No cannot if there’s a cluster now suddenly detected imagine the idiot at night then scan

[0:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +: He/she would have spread to many others

[0:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +: token or mobile phone with TT app, also can be swap too

[0:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Assuming the virus is transmitted via surfaces

[0:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +Many loopholes lor, hard to plug 

Even the security guards at SP also sian already, if they dw scan is their problem, they have already reminded the students to scan 

"If they want to lie to us, they're lying to themselves"

[0:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Too risky

[0:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: You might not be close to an infected person

[0:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: But if he have food and have saliva on his hands and touch some place

[0:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: He go home liao then you touch the spot he touch before

[0:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: And you now have a meal

[0:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: It can spread that way too

[0:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/self-disinfecting-coating-that-lasts-for-3-months-applied-to-all-hdb-lift-buttons

Not sure are we still doing this

[0:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +I guess if it's meant to be, it's meant to be

[0:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: hope it continue

[0:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +: This one is ex

[0:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +Sometimes placebo is better

[1:08 pm, 14/12/2020] +: If they not using they cannot go into places lo.

[1:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: No choice too many ppl complain it should not use GPS. That is why will not show u nearby

[1:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Unfortunately we do not know how the tracing efforts in the background are panning out and if there are any interesting discoveries about the virus.

The sudden appearance of local cases after 2 weeks of zero "reported" cases obviously means the virus is hanging around, whether dormant, in asymptomatic people, or on any number of surfaces, etc.

So how did the lady at SICC get infected? I never follow up in any news.

And what happens when people are tested negative then positive then negative again, on cruises.

At least the number is small. Personal hygiene and habits are still the most basic thing to observe.

Interestingly, my wife has always been a bit of a clean freak, my kids hardly fall ill. But it also means likely their immunity benefits less from exposure to common bugs.

My nephews who have always had sniffles and frequent illness, at least have not been falling sick as much as pre-covid.

Can say habits, masking up and overall hygiene have improved a lot this year.

[1:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Uh, sorry for the wandering post.

[1:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +I only wondering why you type so long 😂

[1:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Eating hallway lah, type too slowly... then type abit chat subject change, type a bit change again 🤣

[1:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +: No wonder SPM no longer seem to work properly

[1:15 pm, 14/12/2020] +Sorry I bad bad but

[1:15 pm, 14/12/2020] +HAHAHA

[1:15 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Used to be able to search for nearby locations

[1:15 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Singpass mobile?

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I’m sure MOH team is still working round the clock to trace local infections

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +Your train of thought ahem... bdown 🤣

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ya

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Yes

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Now still can ah

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +: People brains not thinking one lo. Want show nearby but dun wan GPS. Ask them to build themselves to show nearby without GPS la. As if apps got telepathy.

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +Sometimes the less you know the better also 

Also basically gahmen policy and why OSA exists lor, to curb panic

[1:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +psychopaths 😂

[1:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: True. E.g. Don't worry whether supermarket salmon suddenly infected with covid. 

Just know, cook fully, sanitise your hands often, wear a mask, don't gather more than 5 etc.

As long as incidental discoveries can be mitigated by current guidelines, no need cause panic.

[1:20 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Otherwise not enough maggi mee again

[1:20 pm, 14/12/2020] +Yeah if only everybody a bit more hygienic lor

[1:20 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Or TP!

[1:20 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Yah honestly that's hard.

[1:21 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Lol sashimi then how? 🤣

[1:21 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Hawker food handling habits not exactly stellar

[1:21 pm, 14/12/2020] +Then become 殺死你 😂

[1:21 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I dunno leh i bought sushi twice last week. Buay tahan, must eat

[1:22 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Lol.. don’t think too much, unless you think the lapse is serious don’t scare yourself with too much information that is only part true and don’t know how the supply chain works.

[1:23 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ya ah like what they say living in denial or something 

Sometimes don't think so much is better tbh, not say I hiding stuff or what

REACH

[1:26 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Building TraceTogether: How a modest team made a big impact

GovTech software engineer Joel Kek has always been interested in tech’s power to do good – but COVID-19 posed a challenge on a nationwide scale for him and his team.

Joel shares more about the experience of working on TraceTogether – and how he hopes it won’t be needed for much longer.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/brandstudio/sgtogetherbettertomorrow/building-tracetogether-how-a-modest-team-made-a-big-impact-13742454

[1:32 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Tracetogether concept is a useful concept to trace close contact to infected people.

Tracetogether token is a safe and useful tool to enable the concept.

Blue and White Flag Guy

[1:33 pm, 14/12/2020] +🥾😋? 🤔

Kevin

[1:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 💩😋?🤔

[1:36 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

1. There's no financial incentives to hack a Bluetooth token as there are no sensitive user bank credentials to be stolen.

2. Apps stored in the token is encrypted. Even if hack and stolen is not useful to the hackers.

3. No financial loss to public users.

4. That's why I support the Bluetooth token.

[1:37 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://token.gowhere.gov.sg/?result=&status=show-all

Token NO Where

[1:38 pm, 14/12/2020] +: OOS

[1:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Ya la OOS how to collect

[1:42 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My position no change - support token only.

[1:42 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Lol I am quite well train to understand the informations... but look at the big picture and how much it will affect you.

Look for key points that you can do to reduce your chances of infection. Then the rest just forget it. We still need to live, not constantly in fear.

[1:46 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Not living in denial, more on living with some ignorant. But keeping in mind of all those key points government is promoting. Which are the min you can do to reduce chance of infection. 

As government also have a stake in making sure we as a country will get out of it in one piece. Try our best to comply, and even if it fails. 

Not always we can get everything right at first time, even with all the brains some stuff are not everything we can account for. Risk that we still have to take to balance between fighting the disease and keeping the country alive after a pandemic.

[1:50 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.howtogeek.com/438712/could-your-bluetooth-devices-be-hacked-in-2019/      

Definitely not turning on my bluetooth in my handphone.

But token is safe.

[2:03 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.bullguard.com/blog/2018/01/can-a-device-be-hacked-via-bluetooth  

Security expert advise - turn off Bluetooth and WiFi in public untrusted domain.   

Thus my conclusion - only token is safe but not handphone with bluetooth turn on.   

My position is consistent and clear.

No bootlicking, no hypocrisy. 

The true and only truth and nothing but the truth.

[1:50 pm, 14/12/2020] +Tokong!

[1:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +I'm well-trained to understand trains 

Call me the train whisperer 🚇

Ok sorry I derail

[1:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 😅

[1:52 pm, 14/12/2020] +So the TToken really OOS ah then how to talk about uptake when cannot even take?

[1:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: For those that have smart phone don’t take first lor.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[1:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: They didn’t expect those with smart phone also collect mah

[1:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +I got smartphone but the app not smart so I waiting

[1:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Lol... improved quite a bit from when it first started

[1:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: The team also stress lol

[1:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +That time I already say lor, go and survey and see why those smartphones one also need 

Maybe like my case, maybe workplace red zone, maybe this May's Maybelline

[1:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: The things is why safe entry and trace together not combine or just remove one from the App Store forced all to move to trace together app 🤷🏻‍♂️

[1:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +SE is app meh

[1:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +: There is app also

[1:56 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Using the singpass mobile to record

[1:58 pm, 14/12/2020] +Oh that's for accessibility lor but of course standardisation is the way to go only if the app is tested and proven cuz otherwise I wouldn't have this cannot connect to internet problem

[1:59 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Wonder if they will develop mini apps for government related stuff like WeChat (with multiple mini app within a app)

[2:00 pm, 14/12/2020] +We suggested something like that before, consolidate everything into one superapp but dunno if the size will be too big anot unless back to the PWA conversation

[2:03 pm, 14/12/2020] +Actually even though using external sites would defeat the purpose of a chat group such as this hor but I remember last time during my NS got this thing called PITCH where you literally just pitch your idea, then people vote with their tokens 

I think some of us should be familiar with this system so perhaps REACH can think of something like this PITCH system? 🤔

[2:03 pm, 14/12/2020] +: All Safe App

[2:04 pm, 14/12/2020] +Lol every time it starts just blast the All Clear siren 😂

[2:04 pm, 14/12/2020] +: As long as no windows startup sound can liao haha

Blue and White Flag Guy

[2:04 pm, 14/12/2020] +I tbt this bt spam

Alvin

[2:05 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Oh bt is very harmful bro

Blue and White Flag Guy

[2:05 pm, 14/12/2020] +If your tooth turn blue I suggest you go dentist lor

Alvin

[2:06 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Cos bt lots of rubbish

[2:06 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Bt is bullshit talk right?

[2:09 pm, 14/12/2020] +: The problem is how you avoid in a city? If you say Bluetooth is harmful 😅

We are surrounded by signal much stronger than Bluetooth. WiFi no one say anything? 😑 radio waves or UV. 

Look at people around you that use Bluetooth headphone, if there is elevated risk we would have noticed. 

The sun do more harm then Bluetooth. Under sun 4 hours from noon. Sure pain. Blue tooth 24/7 don’t feel anything.

Caleb

[2:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: We all know ur truth and stand. No need keep repeat here

[2:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: ☺️

Ken

[2:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: All device are prone to hack, weakest link is human.. if no human no risk.

Kevin

[2:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Aiya people like to repeat let him be la

Blue and White Flag Guy

[2:12 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ignore him la later say 5G harmful, UWB harmful, sekali also say hand sign also harmful cuz signal ma

Kevin

[2:12 pm, 14/12/2020] +: @נתנאל חן ויי ליאנג 🇮🇱 also repeat sometimes ma but he repeat in a good way

Blue and White Flag Guy

[2:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +Woi

Alvin

[2:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Bt for you bro

[2:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +: :3

Ken

[2:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 😅😅 later admin ping you

Alvin

[2:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I go rest first

[2:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Later see PM Lee drink water

[2:14 pm, 14/12/2020] +Later yam seng ok

[2:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Anyone ready?

[2:41 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 😆

[2:43 pm, 14/12/2020] +: There are 2 cubes with "pink shirt". Is that a bonus?

[2:43 pm, 14/12/2020] +Eh I go scholarship presentation also wear pink leh 😂

[2:43 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🤷🏻‍♂️ not create by me just forward 🤣🤣 

Hopefully is something good. To me phase 3 maybe unlikely 😔

[2:44 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Are you our new pinky? 🤭

[2:44 pm, 14/12/2020] +: That's why it's not a corner cube, or else immediately 3 lines burst

[2:45 pm, 14/12/2020] +No no I your new SMRT CEO in dunno how many years but hey who knows, maybe next time I'll wear pink and lim zui when giving press conferences hor? 😆

[2:46 pm, 14/12/2020] +: You can record our new mrt station messages in all 4 languages! Just need the magic cup

[2:47 pm, 14/12/2020] +Idw rant too much but ya why SBST can, SMRT cannot? Unfair hor 👀

[2:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Don't have meh??? I recall it used to have all 4 languages

[2:51 pm, 14/12/2020] +No la I mean the station one, cuz they wanted to do Mandarin station ann ma then people say racist

[2:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: True... But difficult also lah. Like is Bukit Batok English or Malay? Cos Bukit is malay...

[2:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +Is just unnecessary noise lol 

To them SMRT will bow down to them, but I say first, definitely not me hor

[2:55 pm, 14/12/2020] +Sorry we derail again hehe

[2:56 pm, 14/12/2020] +: We're the transport of the future. We're the flying train, no more rails 🤣

[2:58 pm, 14/12/2020] +Everything also want to fly 

Later money also fly

[2:58 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Come fly with me, let's fly let's fly away...

REACH

[3:03 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 📢[LIVE ADDRESS AT 5PM]

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong will be addressing the nation at 5pm today to give an update on the Covid-19 situation and the outlook for next year.

The co-chairs of the ministerial task force tackling the pandemic - Health Minister Gan Kim Yong and Education Minister Lawrence Wong - will hold a press conference immediately after. 

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pm-lee-hsien-loong-address-nation-covid-19-update-singapore-13762704 

Live Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxJ4Mgazy4

[3:04 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ti orh orh jin eh going to rain sia hahahaha @Berny

[3:09 pm, 14/12/2020] +: My side already raining cats and dogs

[3:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: This actually shows Singaporeans attention to details sia lol

REACH

[3:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Singapore reports 5 new COVID-19 cases, all imported

Five new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Monday (Dec 14), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its daily preliminary update. 

No new cases were found in the community and in foreign workers' dormitories. 

All five cases were imported and placed on stay-home notice upon their arrival in Singapore.

Details of the new cases will be released on Monday night, said the health ministry.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-dec-14-new-cases-imported-local-community-dormitory-moh-13767382

REACH

[5:00 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🔊 [LIVE NOW] 

Tune in to Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's live address: 

- https://www.facebook.com/leehsienloong/videos/740832843189871

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxJ4Mgazy4

[5:06 pm, 14/12/2020] +: S’pore ready to progress to phase 3 in 2 weeks’ time on Dec 28, says PM Lee

Because of the efforts of Singaporeans, the country is now ready to progress to phase three of its reopening, PM Lee announced.

Phase three will begin in two weeks’ time, on Dec 28, he said, noting that Singaporeans will end the year with some good news.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/live-pm-lee-hsien-loong-addresses-nation-on-covid-19-situation

[5:07 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 💪💪💪💪😁😁😁😁

But stay safe dear friends!

[5:07 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Really Ready?

[5:09 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Masks are still required. Travel is still not allowed. Safe distancing is still required

[5:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I think the safest to protect ourselves is to avoid crowds, wear masks and observe hand hygiene

[5:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: We should not let phase 3 bring our guards down

[5:11 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

PM Lee say we sign early with Pfizer, moderna and sinovac vaccines in billion dollars.

[5:11 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

HSA has approved Pfizer as our 1st vaccine.

[5:11 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Vaccination is voluntary not mandatory.

[5:13 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But strongly encourage to take up vaccination if offered to you - as it not only protect yourself but also others around you.

[5:14 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Vaccination is free for residents.

Caleb

[5:15 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I can't imagine if it's Mr Heng giving this speech. 🙈

[5:15 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1st vaccines will arrive in Singapore this month and vaccination can begin.

REACH

[5:17 pm, 14/12/2020] +: S'pore to enter phase 3 on Dec 28, says PM Lee

1. S’pore ready to progress to phase 3 in 2 weeks’ time on Dec 28, allow social gatherings in groups of 8, says PM Lee

2. Even in phase 3, S’pore’s battle against Covid-19 is far from won: PM Lee

3. Trade and travel are S’pore’s lifeblood, only option is to reopen borders in controlled and safe way: PM Lee

4. Not the time to relax, let our guard down or hold big parties, PM Lee cautions

5. Progressing from phase 2 to 3 is a calibrated, careful move: PM Lee

6. Phase 3 may last 'for quite a while', possibly a year or more, says PM Lee

7. HSA has approved Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for use; first shipment to arrive end-Dec and other vaccines to follow

8. MOH proposes entire adult population be vaccinated, but on voluntary basis; priority given to healthcare and frontline workers, elderly and vulnerable

9. Vaccinations will be free for S’poreans and all long-term residents in S’pore

10. Vaccines will support S’pore’s recovery in more ways than one, says PM Lee

More: 

- https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/live-pm-lee-hsien-loong-addresses-nation-on-covid-19-situation

[5:17 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 👌

[5:17 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Thanks to government all people in Singapore must get vaccine

[5:18 pm, 14/12/2020] +: We have a plan bro

[5:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +Oh wrong wecare

[5:26 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Q3 2021 - vaccines will be sufficient to all population in Singapore!

[5:28 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Pfizer vaccination will require 2 doses.

Singapore will ensure that only the vaccines that pass stringent efficacy and safety will be used in Singapore.

[5:28 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Does the train go to East Coast? :3

[5:29 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Pregnant women and immuno-compromised not recommended for vaccination.

[5:30 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Cause risk are not yet evaluated... so need to wait.

[5:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Looks like UK got more stringent standard

[5:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +: They include breastfeeding mothers also

[5:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +: And children

[5:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +But is bus!!

[5:32 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

HSA will continue to monitor the safety profile of the vaccines and will re-adjust the strategy if needed.

[5:32 pm, 14/12/2020] +: 🤭

[5:34 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Until all are vaccinated, masks and safe distancing must continue to be applied.

Only when vaccination are completed - will the government remove the social distancing measures.

[5:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Vaccine is not the silver bullet, all measure should still be in place lol

[5:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Usually by next year a new type of virus will appear liao

[5:34 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Social gatherings of up to 8 people allowed come Dec 28, further reopening of activities in the community in Phase 3

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-phase-3-social-gatherings-8-people-more-activities-13769626

Caleb

[5:35 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Cannot. Those come from overseas like tourist may not get vaccination

[5:35 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And this will be done in line with the global situation.

[5:38 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Overseas travellers will need vaccination cert before they can come to Singapore - as per WHO mandate.

[5:42 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is the vaccination strategy - that I have been looking for.

And today, it is dispensed superbly!

[5:46 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

No one is safe until everyone (all) is safe.

Vaccines is the solution that keep everyone safe.

REACH

[6:02 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong delivered two key messages this evening: 

1. Singapore will move to Phase 3 in two weeks’ time

2. Singapore will receive vaccines by end December and Singaporeans are expected to be vaccinated by the third quarter of 2021. 

📢 Topic 📢

💬 How do you feel about being able to move to Phase 3 in 2 weeks’ time?

💬 What do you think of Singapore’s Covid-19 vaccination strategy?

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-to-enter-phase-3-on-dec-28-groups-of-8-to-be-allowed-for-social-gatherings

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/capacity-limits-for-attractions-malls-religious-organisations-and-weddings-to-be-increased

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/first-shipments-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-in-sin…

[6:02 pm, 14/12/2020] +: It's a start to better things in time to come

[6:03 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Tommorrow the Singapore stock market will soar. STI increase 5%.

[6:04 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Good comprehensive vaccination strategy!

+ changed the group description. Click to view.

[6:07 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Currently only Pfizer is authorised.

But as more vaccines are authorised, study will be made to determine which vaccines are more suitable to which group of people with different health conditions.

[6:07 pm, 14/12/2020] +: While most, if not all are happy for p3, I am passionately curious:

1. Does that extra "3pax" really make much difference?

2. Will we still have people breaching the SMM?

3. How will the vaccine be deployed and administered to the general public?

[6:09 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Got, family bigger than 5 pax can EST together

[6:09 pm, 14/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Currently, medical staff, frontline staff, vulnerable groups and those without medical conditions - will be scheduled to get the Pfizer vaccine

[6:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Agree, but how many actually have more than 5? And why cant they eat at home?

[6:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Like, not all the time, bur eating at home is a good option imo, safe and clean environment with very low risk

[6:23 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Not sure are we allow to choose which type of vaccine do we want.

[6:23 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Details in time to come

[6:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Does the majority still WFH in Phase 3? Is there any official word on this?

[6:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Agreed.

Lately i saw al lot didn’t observe the 1M social distancing, it all over the place... SDA can only ne seen in popular wet market but in mall they’re nt around..

Mall cant relied on thier security officer.These officer have other task to do

[6:38 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Free Covid-19 vaccines for Singaporeans:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/free-covid-19-vaccines-singaporeans?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[6:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Eat at home too boring, young family stay with parents + 1 maid will exist 5 pax

[6:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Exceed*

[6:41 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Phase 3 in 2 weeks’ time - looking forward to it. Observe and watch out for complacency 

COVID-19 vaccination strategy - it’s awesome our G has made it voluntary as some of us have concerns on safety. Truly thankful to our G for being so understanding. We need to continually watch other countries (as well as our own) for serious side effects to fine tune the population segment each vaccine is suitable and not suitable for.

[6:44 pm, 14/12/2020] +: One concern is whether the vaccine manufacturers are honest in their disclosures to us. We cannot fully trust them and need to do our due diligence and be alert for any potential shenanigans that are being played during the clinical trials live roll out stages.

[6:45 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Expect silence in some areas

[6:54 pm, 14/12/2020] +: @Rama Chandran Andrew, one issue you may not be aware, some of these vaccines contain cell lines from aborted fetuses. One of my Roman Catholic friends told me she would never take such vaccines (although she did take the MMR vaccine as a child). However, I noticed that the Vatican City has ordered Pfizer which uses cell lines from an aborted foetus for its employees and families living there. So, Roman Catholics and other pro lifers should decide what to do based on their morals and belief systems.

[6:59 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I am aware

[7:05 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?fbclid=IwAR2wW4fJVhCdEA-oAgoI0kFNppXcUmwGpdU3N06P3ikIgZIhP9q6FP-oqoA

You guys decide

[7:08 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Anne, really.... please check your facts before posting. Trump is almost gone. There is no need to keep spreading fiction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/12/08/no-coronavirus-vaccines-arent-made-aborted-fetuses-or-created-control-population-more-lessons-about-fake-news/

[7:10 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Which one is made from fetuses?

[7:11 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Pls read what I wrote AGAIN. I never said the vaccines were made from aborted fetuses.

[7:12 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Which part contain cell lines then?

[7:12 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Highlight to me the specific ingredient

[7:13 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Rama, they are not. The scare tactics are beyond me. Why people put this out totally escapes me.

[7:16 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Seems like you did.

[7:18 pm, 14/12/2020] +: The religious community world wide within the church is aware of the composition of the vaccine in question.  Andrew

[7:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Good to see the Muslim Council approved use of the Vaccine. Human life comes first. Avoid suffering and pain. Prevent the spread of disease. Very smart thinking!

[7:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Cell culture was will need to use beef extract that is fact from FBS(fetal bovine serum) . There is no such things as vegan vaccine.

[7:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Same logic for lab grown meat right?

[7:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Yup... cause the demand for cow has the most blood so easiest to get in terms of cost

[7:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: And new zealand has more cows than human

[7:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Pigs in terms of volume not worth the testing... cause they need to test everything for use. So if volume too low no point

[7:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Thats 1 reliable source for their "parts"

[7:26 pm, 14/12/2020] +: But that was use for heparin due to the efficiency

[7:26 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Cow ones not as effective

[7:27 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Known side effects from the study

[7:29 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Wow

[7:29 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I have never seen such data before, this is real eye opener for me

[7:29 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Thank you Ken! Now i know how lab data are being captured

[7:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Just happen my friend shared so I go have a look

[7:36 pm, 14/12/2020] +: This result is for which vaccine? Seems that there are few cases of severe side effects, but sample size is not reported?

[7:39 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Think a bit complicated just forward to people who know how study works. I also not very good a position to share the study. More for awareness

[7:40 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Sure, thanks for sharing anyway, Ken

[7:45 pm, 14/12/2020] +: No problem is widely available knowledge just need to know where to find.   To understand if the website is credible. Check impact factor.  The higher the better.

[7:53 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Tread with caution

[7:57 pm, 14/12/2020] +: I understood, thanks for reminding. Hence I say I might not be good for explaining. But study is available hence I only share points that might be of interest. It is publish 4 days ago.

[7:57 pm, 14/12/2020] +: https://mothership.sg/2020/12/vaccines-still-need-to-wear-mask/

[8:09 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Yes you did said

[8:17 pm, 14/12/2020] +Lai I derail conversation if not later here fight again 

Googol is partially down

[8:18 pm, 14/12/2020] +65 9010 3381: Vaccination incentive suggestion: For those vaccinated, don't have to wear mask. Use TraceTogether system to identify if one is vaccinated.😝

[8:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +❌

[8:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: think this is when 80% have been vaccinated?

[8:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: if not how to keep checking

[8:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: those no need wear mask, put a chop on the forehead

[8:19 pm, 14/12/2020] +: ?

[8:21 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Moving Into Phase Three of Re-opening

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/moving-into-phase-three-of-re-opening

Expert Committee On Covid-19 Vaccination Endorses Use of Pfizer-biontech Covid-19 Vaccine

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/expert-committee-on-covid-19-vaccination-endorses-use-of-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine

Measures to Contain the Covid-19 Outbreak In Migrant Worker Dormitories

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/measures-to-contain-the-covid-19-outbreak-in-migrant-worker-dormitories

[8:22 pm, 14/12/2020] +: YouTube also seems to down

[8:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Second stage of Thomson-East Coast Line further delayed to third quarter next year

The opening of the second phase of the Thomson-East Coast MRT line has been further delayed and is now expected to open in the third quarter of next year, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) said on Monday (Dec 14).

The six stations comprising the second phase of the line - stretching from Springleaf to Caldecott - were originally scheduled to open by end-2020. This was rescheduled to the first quarter of 2021 due to delays caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and measures to contain the outbreak.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/second-stage-thomson-east-coast-line-further-delayed-q3-13770372

[8:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +I run away first ok

If not later I kena arrow 😂

[8:24 pm, 14/12/2020] +: Haiz this is also a problem we likely will see many

[8:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: good, dont rush, later break down

[8:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +: kanna say again

[8:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +You don't curse my train I tell u

[8:25 pm, 14/12/2020] +HAHAHA YOU DAMN BAD LEH OG MEGAN

[8:31 pm, 14/12/2020] +Ok Googol should be stable now, you all go see see look look 👀

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