REACH 586 - What do you think about NTUC's designation as a politically significant person? How can we continue to protect Singapore against foreign interference?

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12 Jul 2024 (10am - 7pm)

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12/7/24, 10:00 am - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

The National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) is set to be designated as a “politically significant person” (PSP) under Singapore’s foreign interference law due to its “close nexus and symbiotic relationship” with the People’s Action Party (PAP), the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) said on Thursday (Jul 11).

The pre-emptive measure is intended to mitigate NTUC’s risk of being a target of foreign interference in the future.

“It is not because NTUC has been compromised by a foreign actor, or has committed any wrongdoing nor anything of concern,” MHA said in response to queries.

💬 *What do you think about NTUC's designation as a politically significant person? How can we continue to protect Singapore against foreign interference?*

📌 *What is a politically significant person?*

Politically significant persons can include political parties, political office-holders, MPs, and election candidates and their election agents. 

Other persons or groups may also be designated politically significant if the authorities assess that their activities are directed towards a political end, and that it is in the public interest that countermeasures against foreign interference be applied.

As a designated politically significant person, NTUC would have to make yearly disclosures to the authorities of political donations of $10,000 or more that it receives and accepts, as well as foreign affiliations.

📌 *Symbiotic relationship with PAP*

Given NTUC’s “close nexus and symbiotic relationship” with the ruling PAP, the Home Affairs Ministry says it is in the public interest for measures under the foreign interference law to be applied to the labour movement.

In his 2023 May Day Rally speech, then Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong described both groups as “sibling organisations” that originated from the same movement.

Workers and unions have supported the PAP through good and bad times, while the PAP works with NTUC to implement pro-worker laws and policies, and ensures that NTUC has the resources to look after our workers, he added

A Cabinet minister has traditionally held the post of NTUC secretary-general. The practice began with Mr Lim Chee Onn, who was the first labour chief to be appointed minister in the Prime Minister’s Office in 1980. 

👉 https://str.sg/JH6TH

👉  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ntuc-labour-movement-fica-politically-significant-person-pap-close-links-4472076

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12/7/24, 10:01 am - +Rama: Very surprised!

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12/7/24, 10:07 am - +Rama: On the side,  politicians should not hold office in unions.

12/7/24, 10:09 am - +Dan: As a Worker's Union, whose side will you take if you are affliated to a political party?

12/7/24, 10:10 am - +Rama: Exactly!

12/7/24, 10:22 am - +Frankie Wee: This message was deleted

12/7/24, 10:38 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: This is unique only to singapore. 

Why do u think there’s no union strikes etc?

It’s good/bad depending on which side one is from. No one std answer.

If gov doesn’t control ntuc, it allows other actors to cause “chaos”. Thus we need to pick/ vote gov candidates wisely as we are giving our gov a lot of power.

12/7/24, 10:40 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: So far our gov has been looking out for both employees and employers.

12/7/24, 10:41 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/philip-chan-businessman-politically-significant-person-fica-mha-4149331

Mr Chan heads the Hong Kong Chamber of Commerce in Singapore and has been the president of the Kowloon Club since 2011. He is also the managing director of three property firms.

He has also been involved in grassroots and fundraising efforts in Singapore for over a decade, and was a patron of the Kampong Chai Chee Citizens' Consultative Committee and the Bukit Timah Community Club Management Committee.

He stepped down from all grassroots appointments after MHA's announcement on Feb 2.

12/7/24, 10:41 am - +Frankie Wee: I see understand

12/7/24, 10:42 am - +Frankie Wee: How it affect his setup policies under his applied

12/7/24, 10:48 am - +Sam: Employees and employers are often at different end when cost is involved be it salary, benefit or entitlement.  It is not easy to find a delicate balance between the two. Our government has done exactly that to protect the employee yet not to disadvantage the employers too much. Hence we have been continually attracting FDI and for MNC setting up shop here.  Look at what happened around the world. How the strained relationship between union and employers benefit the employees and people in general.

12/7/24, 10:54 am - +Telephone Number: NTUC has always had a symbiotic relationship with the PAP. This is not a new fact nor a secret.

12/7/24, 10:56 am - +Telephone Number: It has been that way since its formation in 1961.

12/7/24, 11:28 am - +Rama: Conflict of interest nonetheless!

12/7/24, 11:28 am - +Rama: Not moved!

12/7/24, 11:28 am - +Telephone Number: I am not debating for or against the motion.

12/7/24, 11:28 am - +Telephone Number: It is just the way it was set up during Singapore's formation.

12/7/24, 11:29 am - +Rama: Ulterior motive!

12/7/24, 11:30 am - +Telephone Number: The left wing union organisation SATU was dismantled after its key members were arrested by ISC (now called ISD) for being communist sympathisers. The only one left is NTUC.

12/7/24, 11:34 am - +Rama: Luckily,  no politicians in SATU!?

12/7/24, 11:34 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: agreed, but it's working because we have a good gov in place for now who genuinely looks after the people when we consider everything. of course, certain policies are not popular with certain groups of population. can't make everyone happy. "needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few or the one"

If a "Stalin" gets into our gov, it's the end.

12/7/24, 11:37 am - +Telephone Number: This is correct.

12/7/24, 11:37 am - +Rama: It changed after then DPM OTC sanctioned a strike without cabinet knowledge,  leading to numerous phone calls from various diplomatic missions to the government

12/7/24, 11:40 am - +Telephone Number: Not necessarily as it is a common myth perpetuated.

12/7/24, 11:40 am - +Telephone Number: As I mentioned, NTUC was pro-PAP from Day 1 as it was the pro-establishment offshoot.

12/7/24, 11:40 am - +Telephone Number: DPM OTC then went on to become President OTC even after sanctioning the strike at Hydril.

12/7/24, 11:40 am - +Telephone Number: He was not eviscerated from Government.

12/7/24, 11:41 am - +Telephone Number: I think - while some comments are fair - we should not too easily blame PAP for every single policy mishap or unfortunate incident in Singapore's past and present because all we need to do is look at historical facts.

12/7/24, 11:49 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: I think PAP should own up to their policy errors. One very clear wrong policy "2 child policy".  They won't admit it, but by their actions, we know that they know that it is a wrong policy on hind sight and have been taking steps to address it.

12/7/24, 11:49 am - +Rama: He was ostracized by then PM GCT from seeking a second term as president!

12/7/24, 11:50 am - +Rama: To each their own interpretation!

12/7/24, 11:51 am - +Telephone Number: Agreed.

12/7/24, 11:51 am - +Telephone Number: Agreed.

12/7/24, 11:51 am - +Rama: They never said SORRY or Apologise for any wrong since 1959 but side step each issue with justification in handling!

12/7/24, 11:52 am - +Telephone Number: Partly agreed. There have been several apologies since then let’s be serious.

12/7/24, 11:52 am - +Rama: MM LKY thought two graduate parents will definitely produce a graduate child!

12/7/24, 11:52 am - +Telephone Number: Eugenics.

12/7/24, 11:52 am - +Rama: No sincere apology!

12/7/24, 11:53 am - +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/excitement-arises-online-as-boomers-indicate-support-for-the-opposition/

12/7/24, 11:54 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: in terms of probability, what LKY says is true. 

because graduate parents know importance of education, have the resources and willing to spend those resources on child.

there are always exceptions. hence, bursaries/scholarships to give those without means, a chance.

12/7/24, 11:55 am - +Rama: Don't try to play GOD!

12/7/24, 11:55 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: any way i think we hv strayed far away from the topic at hand LOL <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 11:56 am - +Rama: Normal

12/7/24, 11:56 am - +Terrie Wong: We cannot blame the Govt for this. The trajectory then of overpopulation justified the campaign at the time.

The problem was the situation reversed so rapidly due to education as seen in South Korea, Japan & China.

12/7/24, 11:57 am - +Rama: Graduate mother policy was a disaster!

12/7/24, 11:58 am - +Terrie Wong: Then the campaign was quickly changed to 3 or more if you can afford it.

12/7/24, 11:59 am - +Rama: Too latenow but to import second class singaporeans!

12/7/24, 11:59 am - +Terrie Wong: That policy was quickly reversed. 

I was one of many who gave feedback to the Govt through the Press.

12/7/24, 12:03 pm - +Terrie Wong: It's similar to personal decisions we have made in our own life. We live with the  personal decisions we thought were right at the time.

12/7/24, 12:05 pm - +Terrie Wong: Our Govt tries harder but does not have a crystal ball or is all-knowing.

12/7/24, 12:08 pm - +Telephone Number: Ahahahaha it was a sudden tangent as always. So true.

12/7/24, 12:09 pm - +Telephone Number: <Media omitted>

12/7/24, 12:20 pm - +KL: How many have dual citizenship ?Wil they protect SG even if they serve ARMY / NS ?

12/7/24, 12:21 pm - +KL: How many unjust elitism in Singapore ? The laundry case already proof it right ? the lost 2 decade was very very  unfair to local <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 12:23 pm - +KL: As far as I Aware a lot secret hold country ( that can reinstate  ancestry rule ) . mean even if they give up their orginal citizen for SG  , they can reinstate if they can proof their roots <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 12:25 pm - +Eunice Lim: I think policy must change with times.  Policy is designed to move people

Let's get back to NTUC being PSP 😁

12/7/24, 12:34 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Not as bad as China one policy. There are many good policies why poke holes on one. Aiyoh. Let them Concentrate on the coming challenges. Give him a strong mandate so investment will come in for our children <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 12:38 pm - +Sam: Just like Temasek losing hundred of millions on some companies but also making billions on others. But people often focus on the losses. They don't even bother about the net gain that Temasek has been making over the years.

12/7/24, 12:39 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Look at Korea. Going AI and they are intending to strike. If you are doing business. you want stability

12/7/24, 12:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I think there is a way to strike and a wrong way to strike

12/7/24, 1:28 pm - +Rama: A white paper public discussion might have helped iso arrogance!?

12/7/24, 1:29 pm - +Rama: Run away at the first available opportunity! So called NS for PR is !?

12/7/24, 1:31 pm - +Rama: Whether hundreds millions or a few billion. reply given not sincere!

12/7/24, 1:31 pm - +Rama: Not the Hock Lee bus riots style!

12/7/24, 1:44 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We're loosing too many MNC to Malaysia

12/7/24, 1:45 pm - +Jimmy Chew: So got to manage the investment environment

12/7/24, 1:46 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Termasek different animal. Hahaha they're too elitist hahahaha

12/7/24, 1:46 pm - +Rama: Data Centres too!

12/7/24, 1:46 pm - +Rama: Intense brain storm sessions needed!

12/7/24, 1:48 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Wise move to collaborate with Malaysia on the Data centers at JB

12/7/24, 1:48 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We have the expertise and good governance and police and no land

12/7/24, 1:52 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I agree. I too. It's a good move. Shows our civil servants are objective. Those in power too <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 1:53 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Our leaders are objective to apply fairness

12/7/24, 1:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: In pledge: build a democratic society based on justine and equality

12/7/24, 2:00 pm - +Golden: Hope not. Safer to keep within SG

12/7/24, 2:10 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

12/7/24, 2:11 pm - +Rama: You mean justice!?

12/7/24, 2:12 pm - +~l or Smiley face: _*The Problems of Scarcity & The Ironies of Abundance*_

*Then: almost zero.*

*Today: almost everything, yet still not enough.*

*Then: we were fighting poverty, education, and unemployment.*

*Today: we are vying for finer and finite tangibles.*

*Then: our struggles were a matter of survival.*

*Today: our struggles are a matter of selection.*

*Then: we were united in our struggles.*

*Today: we are diverse in our successes.*

            -- in progress --

12/7/24, 2:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah yeah 🤣🙀

12/7/24, 2:12 pm - +Rama: Land and cost constraints dictate otherwise

12/7/24, 2:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah 😂🙀

12/7/24, 2:13 pm - +~l or Smiley face: _"Notably, Singapore's trajectory towards transparency and accountability has been marked by significant milestones, including the establishment of the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) in 1952 and the enactment of the Whistleblower Protection Act in 2018. However, recent developments, such as the designation of the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) as a Politically Significant Person (PSP), underscore the imperative for sustained vigilance and enhancement. As we advance, it is crucial to scrutinise the ramifications of this designation and ensure that our institutions persist in being transparent, accountable, and responsive to the needs of all Singaporeans. Collectively, we must cultivate a culture of trust and confidence, which is indispensable for our nation's progress and prosperity. This necessitates honesty, integrity, and accountability from every individual. As Lao Tze aptly puts it, "Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom."-- anonymity _

12/7/24, 2:16 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Our Singaporean government's designation of NTUC as a Politically Significant Person (PSP) is a paradigmatic example of commitment to transparency, accountability, and the safeguarding of national interests. By proactively addressing potential foreign influence, the government ensures the labor movement's integrity and alignment with the nation's socio-economic goals, thereby reinforcing social stability and fostering sustainable economic growth. This strategic move demonstrates the government's thorough understanding of the complex interplay between political, economic, and social factors, showcasing their ability to make informed, forward thinking decisions.

12/7/24, 2:18 pm - +Rama: We will one day climb up to the top of the world ranking for being least corrupted!

12/7/24, 2:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Talking about whistleblower policy. I just heard that when someone complains about a Termasek linked company. The company HR will referred to that company and asked them to form a committee to look into the discrepancies and I heard they asked the whistleblower whether they could reveal their name . When I heard it I fell off the chair . Ownself check own self. This is ridiculous . I am from HR when someone whistle blow, we set our own to seek the truth. Not ask the department head to go find out if it's true hahaha <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 2:20 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I thought whistle blowing should be a separate independent arm?

12/7/24, 2:22 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Ownself check, own self is becoming a reality?

12/7/24, 2:22 pm - +Rama: Break the rice bowl of the whistle blower but go ad far to get killed like the Boeing case guy! Or Julian Assaigne and the other guy who left for Russia on a one way ticket!

12/7/24, 2:22 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We care that's why we whistle blow

12/7/24, 2:23 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. Now I fly Boeing I have jitters

12/7/24, 2:23 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Corporate dlrs vs safety

12/7/24, 2:23 pm - +Rama: A local case some years in our court.  Agc told the presiding judge, whistle blower didn't ask for confidentiality. He was threatened by those he blew the whistle on! What a blady joke!

12/7/24, 2:24 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Waiting for US elections and see how bad the politics can be hahaha

12/7/24, 2:24 pm - +Rama: Government can still threatened the whistle blower!

12/7/24, 2:24 pm - +Rama: Both dotard and the incumbent are hope less!

12/7/24, 2:25 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. We had a HR executive who revealed the whistleblower in my company hahaha

12/7/24, 2:26 pm - +Rama: Rice bowl broken!

12/7/24, 2:26 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Trump will imprison all his whistleblowers hahaha

12/7/24, 2:28 pm - +Rama: For sure!

12/7/24, 2:29 pm - +Jimmy Chew: At least we're not so bad we just reveal their names hahaha

12/7/24, 2:31 pm - +Rama: Life's are destroyed still, family is harassed and threatened!

12/7/24, 2:31 pm - +~l or Smiley face: _"Winner takes all and loser stomach all!"_

12/7/24, 2:32 pm - +~l or Smiley face: _That's that and that's life!_

12/7/24, 2:32 pm - +Rama: Suckers!

12/7/24, 2:33 pm - +~l or Smiley face: *Possibilities:*

- The Singapore Business Federation (SBF)

- The Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF)

- The Singapore Manufacturers' Federation (SMF)

- The Singapore International Chamber of Commerce (SICC)

- Universities:

    - National University of Singapore (NUS)

    - Nanyang Technological University (NTU)

    - Singapore Management University (SMU)

    - Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD)

    - May be required to disclose foreign funding sources

    - May be subject to regulations on political activities

*Other National Strategic Entities:*

    - Singapore Airlines

    - Singapore Changi Airport

    - Singapore Ports

    - Singapore Power

    - Singapore Water

    - Housing and Development Board (HDB)

    - Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA)

    - Land Transport Authority (LTA)

    - Media organisations

    - Religious organisations

    - Cultural organisations

These institutions and agencies may be subject to regulations and requirements related to foreign funding, political activities, and national security to ensure transparency and accountability.

12/7/24, 2:37 pm - +~l or Smiley face: *Historical Context*

Tripartite: The National Trades Union Congress (NTUC) and the People's Action Party (PAP) have a long and collaborative history that dates back to 1961! It's amazing to see how far they've come together. Throughout the years, they've worked hand in hand to improve workers' rights and working conditions in Singapore. Their partnership has been a key factor in creating a harmonious and productive work environment, which has in turn contributed to Singapore's economic growth and social stability.

Understanding this history is important as we move forward,...

12/7/24, 2:38 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*History*

1. Singapore is formed when Mr LKY, a lawyer at that time helps the Unions and the students to fight their cases against the government at that time Lim Yew Hock - and develop an unbreakable relationship between LKY and the Unions.

2. After Mr LKY form the PAP, Unions (NTUC) have become a symbiotic relationship with PAP - 2 inseparable entities whereby PAP's political thrust is for the "People" - that result in "Action" to help the "People".

3. Eversince, NTUC will have a Cabinet Minister from PAP to helm the post of Secretary-General of NTUC as Labor Chief.

This is the history and heritage of PAP and NTUC.

4. Hard to imagine PAP will want to break such special relationship with NTUC. And since PAP is a political party, logically and rationally, NTUC will be a PSP (Politically Significant Person) - as foreign actors if have intention to influence Singapore politics - will infiltrate NTUC.

12/7/24, 2:52 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. Our first generation leaders from the ashes of war are always for the people.

12/7/24, 2:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Seriously. Didn't think of it. Like this ayoh all multinationals too ? hahahaha

12/7/24, 3:00 pm - +Jimmy Chew: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYbwA4DH/

12/7/24, 3:01 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Wow.. just saw this

12/7/24, 3:06 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. PAP has seen working tirelessly for Singapore and all Singaporeans.

6. Developing Singapore from a kampong, a marshland -- into a modern metroplitan Singapore with GDP PPP - 3rd highest in the World when we have no natural resources, even water need to depend on the mercy of our neighbor.

 A city state, an improbable Country - into a small, but highly developed Nation.

7. NTUC unions play an important part of Singapore building - keeping our labour pragmatic, not militant (like overseas that always break out into demonstration, strike and stop work) - working well with the Government, Business and Labour in a Tripatite Alliance --- and result in a high median household income $10,869 per month for Singaporeans.

8. NTUC working with Government on Skillsfuture training programme - has keep our labour force skillsets relevance to the industries (the latest being cyber-security) - and ensure long term employment for Singaporeans.

9. Hence, PAP and NTUC symbiotic relationship - that bolster Singaporeans' peace, prosperity and wealth cannot be understated - and must be carefully safeguarded.

12/7/24, 3:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

12/7/24, 3:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

12/7/24, 3:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*World Free-Wheeling Democracy*

1. Singapore is a democracy - whereby our Government is democratically elected by the people - but uniquely Singapore - as we are able to :-

a. maintain long term political stability, 

b. able to plan long-term for the good of current generation Singaporeans as well as our future generations, 

c. build up a very healthy strong financial reserves - that help to lighten our tax load - as 1/2 of the NIRC are used to fund our annual fiscal spendings while ploughing back 1/2 of NIRC into our Sovereign Fund to continuously invest and grow our Sovereign Wealth.

d. a little red-dot not endowed with any natural resources except our human capital with good Government.

2. Looking afar the Free Wheeling Democracy - e.g. in the West, even some of our neighbors - we see :-

a. Government change hands like changing clothes - every other year..

b. Far-right xenophobic, racists, nationalists, isolationalists rearing their heads dominating Parliament.

c. Populist policies for immediate gratification for the current voters but causing long-term harm to the Nations sprouting - results in tremendous mammoth debt - that will be inherited and will be paid by future descendants.

d. Deadlock Parliament, fighting MPs in Parliament, Lame-Duck Presidents - that cannot formulate and push through long term policies for the good of the Countries.

e. Multi-parties coalition that are not make up of most competent Ministers - but pick from the assembly of candidates from the various political parties that won the seats - working for the self-interest of the respective parties - instead of the greater good of the citizens and the Country.

3. To say it plainly and bluntly - I have little respect for such "Free Wheeling Demoracy" - because such system are chaotic, not optimised to govern, short term, short sighted, immediate gratifications at the expense of future descendants, intend to plunge the Country into chaos in short term, middle term and long term.

4. Likewise, I also don't worship autocratic government - with no Unviversal Suffrage - not voted by the people - because such system - will overlook the people they serve as their interest is anchor on the Party that appoint them - as their existence and future are not determined by the people that vote them into power.

5. Hence, I will say Singapore democracy system is uniquely Singapore - and have serve us very well since Independence.

12/7/24, 3:43 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Thankful for thoughtful and strong leadership

12/7/24, 3:43 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Need to guard it well and don't let the stooges take over hahaha

12/7/24, 3:44 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Biden presidency undermines by the supreme court judges. Presidents are not liable for offenses hahaha

12/7/24, 3:45 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Thankful for LKY no one is above the law statement

12/7/24, 3:46 pm - +Terrie Wong: Yes, we have much to be grateful for.

12/7/24, 3:48 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore is lion as Leader

12/7/24, 3:49 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYbE9jkU/

12/7/24, 3:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*At Personal Level*

1. At the personal level, NTUC has played an important part of our lives in many aspects.

2. NTUC fairprice is formed to provide groceries and food for our familiies at every part of Singapore.

3. Kopitiam, NTUC foodfare - provide middle-class food outlets for people and seniors to eat and laypark.

4. INCOME has provided various good insurance plan to grow our wealth, provide insurance coverage for us.

5. NTUC Unions have been representing and covering many of our labours and workers

6. NTUC Unions has worked very well with our Government, Business and Labour - to secure the workers' income, well beings, trainings, work on PWD (Progress Wage) for lower income workers to upgrade their salaries and career progression etc.

7. Hence I can't see why NTUC cannot be accorded PSP with its relationship with PAP --- because it is serving Singaporeans well.

Why break it - when it benefits us? (Not in the name of "Free Wheeling Democracy:" - which is bluntly and painfully flaw and inadequate - that will harm us instead of benefitting us).

12/7/24, 3:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

8. NTUC is providing many training courses to train our workers - supported by Skillsfuture - to ensure workers continuous employment.

9. NTUC takeover the running of foreigner workers domitory - to ensure our business have access to foreign workers in blue collars jobs like construction, shipyard etc.

12/7/24, 3:57 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"France heads back to its postwar era of ungovernability.

The far right's defeat in France's parliamentary election could prove a temporary setback, says Financial Times’ Ben Hall."

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/france-election-rassemblement-national-macron-far-right-centrist-left-wing-nouveau-front-populaire-unstable-government-4464766#:~:text=France%20heads%20back,Times%E2%80%99%20Ben%20Hall.

12/7/24, 3:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: Rishi Sunak PM UK resigned

12/7/24, 3:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: He is foreigners from India

12/7/24, 3:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Free wheeling democracy - France now is ungovernable.

Far right, Far left and centralist in Parliament with no majority.

All parties don't agree with one another in policies and strategic directions.

How to govern?

How does it benefits the people if the government become deadlock and lame-duck?

How is free wheeling democracy serve us well?

It is total chaos.

12/7/24, 4:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Very chao and riot

12/7/24, 4:03 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

12/7/24, 4:10 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It will happened to us too. Part of the democratic process?

12/7/24, 4:10 pm - +Jimmy Chew: In the US same

12/7/24, 4:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Or some foreign elements did some interference and propaganda

12/7/24, 4:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Then we will have to ensure it won't happen to us.

We need to be a responsible voters.

Don't worship free wheeling democracy for the sake of democracy.

Vote for the party that work for us.

12/7/24, 4:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah only one vote hahaha

12/7/24, 4:19 pm - +Andy: We are so blessed to have PAP founding members, 2G, 3G leaders dedicating their whole life for Singapore. Now is PM Wong and his 4G team to keep us growing and moving in a chaotic world with no peace in sight. 

I can't imagine some of our fellow citizens and opposition parties are asking for more seats in the parliament. If PAP doesn't have a majority to govern, Singapore will be in BIG trouble. MNC will move away to other countries and lesser investment will lead to jobs cut and unemployment rate will definitely go up.

So I urged fellow citizens please vote wisely in the next election, don't believe in the theory that PAP will still have the majority and opposition is to check on them to do the job properly. I told my MP that I voted for the party which she is fortunate to be in and not her own merit that she won. I guessed those seats PAP lost to opposition could be due to unhappiness in their MP or simply believing opposition can keep PAP government on their toes to keep Singapore going. Is a dangerous thing!!! Only 1 screw up election result will lead to chaos that all Singaporean will have to suffer.

12/7/24, 4:25 pm - +Timothy Low: We need to be careful of fearmongering.

12/7/24, 4:27 pm - +Timothy Low: If everyone voted based on party and not on each individual MP’s merit, then we cannot attract the best talents to work for us in the Government. We cannot equate the Government to a particular political party.

12/7/24, 4:27 pm - +Rama: Judiciary cannot bend to the will of the executive!

12/7/24, 4:28 pm - +Rama: Good riddance!

12/7/24, 4:29 pm - +Rama: Unfortunately,  yes for Singapore!

12/7/24, 4:29 pm - +Rama: Did any foreign entity ever tried to influence our elections!,?

12/7/24, 4:30 pm - +Rama: I have never held the opposition in high regards since 1959!

12/7/24, 4:31 pm - +Rama: Big mistake with overwhelming refugees immigration!

12/7/24, 4:37 pm - +Andy: The worst thing is the opposition party in my ward is even worst than my MP. So she is fortunate not to meet a strong opponent which she may have lost her seat. If WP send LTK the next election, who knows what will happen. Lots of teochew in my area.

12/7/24, 4:42 pm - +Thank You Woman: Any opposition @ Mountbatten

12/7/24, 4:43 pm - +Frankie Wee: Mr Lawrence MP won’t lose the cabinet minister He will alway there parliament

12/7/24, 4:44 pm - +Frankie Wee: How did he get become MP by vote but he is non residential.

12/7/24, 4:45 pm - +Andy: We lost George Yeo, Ng Chee Meng both were cabinet ministers so don't think screw up result will not happen

12/7/24, 4:46 pm - +Frankie Wee: This message was deleted

12/7/24, 4:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sorry he is a PM not MP

12/7/24, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: They are MP to lost by vote

12/7/24, 4:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: There are consequences when MPs fail to do so, he said. Either the party decides not to renew them, or voters do so.

“Voters will know if their MP is working hard or not. And voters can decide,” said PM Wong.

Here are PM Wong’s responses to some questions that students asked.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/why-are-mps-allowed-to-have-another-full-time-job-pm-wong-answers-questions-at-youth-dialogue

12/7/24, 4:54 pm - +Thank You Woman: How many lost job due to the G4 rules and regulations no jab no work.

Families seperated siblings argument to jab their parents and no jab cannot visit etc and so on…. I am looking forward to see how these G4 votes dropped dramatically!!!!!!!!!!!

12/7/24, 4:56 pm - +Thank You Woman: lol myself being honest to inform IRAS that my rental tax in their record was lesser then They summon me for late filing appeal also dun want to give chance it’s ok I pay the $300 no problem then we shall see

12/7/24, 5:11 pm - +Rama: Lam Pin Min too!

12/7/24, 5:12 pm - +Rama: So, their mistake becomes your liability!?

12/7/24, 5:17 pm - +Thank You Woman: <Media omitted>

12/7/24, 5:18 pm - +Thank You Woman: <Media omitted>

12/7/24, 5:18 pm - +Thank You Woman: This is peanut

12/7/24, 5:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. I have come across a person who has neglected submitting an income to an income tax.

2. Subsequently in the next filing, he report to IRAS.

3. IRAS fine him 3 times the amount - according to law.

4. Because he honestly declare his mistake, the fine is 3 times due to negligent.

5. If he intentionally dodge the tax, and if discover by IRAS, he will be fine 7 times.

6. During the election, I ask him who he votes.

7. He say PAP.

8. I say I thought you angry with PAP because you got fine.

9. He say angry is one thing. I make the mistake and I pay fine is another thing. Because law is law.

10. I put a thumbs up for him.

11. I say, you got wisdom.

12. You don't blame the government because of your own mistakes.

13. Else if everyone negligently or deliberately dodge tax, then how the government run and finance the government expenditure?

12/7/24, 5:31 pm - +Rama: It starts small!

12/7/24, 5:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I say I respect your wisdom and integrity (大义）。

He only got primary school education.

But he knows what is right and wrong.

Do wrong, admit and pay for it.

And then do the right thing.

Then he earn the respect from people.

12/7/24, 5:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If laws are make to break, then the country cannot be governed - because there will be alot of hanky panky in the system.

Because people can break it and hope to get away with it.

12/7/24, 5:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Previously I have a colleague who got a fine from traffic police because he parked at a double yellow lines.

He told me he say he wants to see his mp to waive his fine.

If the mp don't help him, he will not vote for him.

I told him, just pay the fine, learn the lesson and next time don't do it.

Because indeed you did break the law.

If everyone follow what you do and succeed, then Singapore will not be a place of law and order - because people will try to break the law and try to run away from it by forcing mp to bail them out.

Then how will that be different from countries that practice corruption - if mp can be blackmail to win voters?

He eventually pay the fine.

12/7/24, 5:51 pm - +Thank You Woman: I pay cause I follow law

12/7/24, 5:52 pm - +Thank You Woman: I went to MP for appeal to see how good he was

12/7/24, 5:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

To blackmail him?

12/7/24, 5:52 pm - +Thank You Woman: lol I have been moving houses this is the first time I never succeed in appeal

12/7/24, 5:53 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Negligent is no excuse.

12/7/24, 5:53 pm - +Thank You Woman: Em how powerful he was

12/7/24, 5:53 pm - +Thank You Woman: Ask for shelter to mrt he said difficult. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

12/7/24, 5:54 pm - +Thank You Woman: The MP I love most is Dr Faishal

12/7/24, 5:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Even if he is PM, he will still have to follow law.

This is not about how powerful.

It is about following a system govern by law.

No one is above the law <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 5:54 pm - +Thank You Woman: From Yishu

12/7/24, 5:55 pm - +Thank You Woman: Well I had too much of exchange with various MP hence I know who is good who have the heart etc..

12/7/24, 5:56 pm - +Thank You Woman: This 4G Haiz

12/7/24, 5:56 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is not about heart.

It is about knowing what is right and what is wrong.

Misplaced compassion should not be in the picture.

Else the whole country will be a very shady place - full of loopholes and law breaking examples.

12/7/24, 6:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

12/7/24, 6:14 pm - +~l or Smiley face: *Policy Implications:*

- Changes in labour laws and regulations: The designation may lead to changes in labour laws and regulations, which could have varying impacts on workers and employers.

- Heightened scrutiny: NTUC's activities and funding sources may face increased scrutiny, which could promote transparency and accountability.

- Role of labour movements: The designation raises important questions about the role of labour movements in Singapore's political landscape and the potential risks of politicisation.

- Independence of the labour movement: The government must ensure NTUC's independence and autonomy to mitigate risks and provide greater freedom to operate.

- Clear guidelines and regulations: Establishing clear guidelines and regulations can ensure NTUC's transparency and accountability in activities and funding sources.

- Measures for transparency and accountability: Implementing measures like transparency requirements for foreign funding, strict regulations on political activities, and robust enforcement mechanisms can help achieve this balance.

- Complex issue: The designation of NTUC as a PSP is a complex issue with far-reaching implications for the labour movement, foreign interference, national security, political landscape, and political neutrality.

- Protecting independence and autonomy: While ensuring transparency and accountability, it is crucial to protect NTUC's independence and autonomy.

*Broader Conversation:*

- Engage with civil society organisations and advocacy groups

- Conduct public consultations and surveys

- Establish an independent review committee to monitor foreign influence

- Develop education and awareness programmes to promote critical thinking and media literacy

*Goals:*

- Protect national security

- Promote transparency and accountability

- Ensure NTUC effectively represents workers' interests

- Maintain political neutrality

- Foster a resilient political landscape resistant to external interference

By engaging in a broader conversation and implementing these measures, the government can strive for a balance between protecting national security and promoting transparency and accountability, ensuring that NTUC effectively represents workers' interests while maintaining political neutrality and fostering a resilient political landscape.

12/7/24, 6:17 pm - +~l or Smiley face: *Governance Enhancements:* _Pillars of Transparency and Accountability_

1. _Term Limits for Board Membership_:

    - Limit board membership to no more than one decade.

    - Prevent entrenchment, groupthink, and conflicts of interest.

    - Up to 50% of board members serve less than 10 years, ensuring fresh perspectives and preventing entrenchment.

2. _Inclusive Representation_:

    - Include civil societies, professional bodies, and public listed companies.

    - Ensure diverse perspectives, enhance credibility, and foster collaborative governance.

    - Up to 20% of board members come from diverse racial backgrounds, bringing unique experiences and viewpoints.

3. _Gender Equality_:

    - Ensure equal representation and opportunities for all genders.

    - Bring unique perspectives and strengths to the table.

    - Enhance decision-making processes and promote a culture of inclusivity and respect.

    - Address potential biases and discrimination.

    - Foster a more diverse and representative governance structure.

    - Ensure that the needs and perspectives of all genders are considered in decision-making processes.

    - Up to 35% of board members are female, promoting gender balance and diversity.

12/7/24, 6:47 pm - +Jimmy Chew: If Singaporeans are smart slightly better than LHL Pap lead majority would be good. Because need to give Lawrence a booster to tackle the coming problems because not all MPs care for us <This message was edited>

12/7/24, 6:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Need opposition to temper the hardiness and elitist of the group. I feel some MPs don't identify with the poor and elderly. Maybe I am wrong

12/7/24, 6:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It's my feel

12/7/24, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

12/7/24, 6:59 pm - +~l or Smiley face: <Media omitted>

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