REACH 192 - How to tackle encourage Tracetogether (SK)

03 Feb 2021 (11am - 7pm)

[9:44 am, 03/02/2021] +REACH: 🗣 #ICYMI: 02 Feb 2021 👇🏼👀

👉🏼 Bill to restrict use of TraceTogether to serious crimes seeks to assure public their data will be safeguarded: Vivian

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/bill-to-restrict-use-of-tracetogether-to-serious-crimes-seeks-to-assure-public-their-data

👉🏼 One-time check-in at public venues when entry via TraceTogether kicks in

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-need-to-check-in-to-different-shops-in-the-same-mall-once-tracetogether-only-safeentry

👉🏼 S'pore recorded 367 stay-home notice, 130 quarantine order violations as at Jan 25

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/367-stay-home-notice-and-130-quarantine-order-violations-as-at-jan-25

👉🏼 Govt 'will not hesitate to use the full force of the law' on vaccine-related misinformation: Iswaran

https://safe.menlosecurity.com/https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-law-covid-19-vaccine-fake-news-14094220

[11:07 am, 03/02/2021] +REACH: All newly arrived foreign workers from higher-risk regions to undergo extra COVID-19 testing: MOM

The post-stay-home notice testing regime will be extended to all newly arrived work permit and S Pass workers in construction, marine and process (CMP) sectors from higher-risk countries and regions.

This means all such workers, upon arrival, will have to stay at a designated facility for 21 days.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-workers-higher-risk-regions-testing-shn-mom-14100890

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[0:00 pm, 03/02/2021] +REACH: A Bill restricting the use of personal contact tracing data in criminal investigations to only serious crimes, such as murder and terrorism, was passed in Parliament on Tuesday (Feb 2), with assurances of safeguards to protect people's data. 

The safeguards in place include deleting TraceTogether and SafeEntry data for Covid-19 contact tracing from government servers when the pandemic is over, and encrypting any extracted data used for investigations by the police and restricting its use to only seven categories of serious crimes. 

📢 Topic 📢 

💬 With the assurances of safeguards to protect our data, how can we  encourage our community to stay safe and continue using TraceTogether? 

Speaking at the start of a debate on the Bill on Tuesday, Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan assured Parliament that the Government's intention in introducing it urgently was to remove any doubt among Singaporeans and assure them that the data will be properly safeguarded and used appropriately. 

Besides TraceTogether and SafeEntry data, the Bill covers the private sector's BluePass programme, which contributes data to TraceTogether. 

👉  https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/bill-limiting-use-of-tracetogether-for-serious-crimes-passed-with-govt-assurances

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vivian-balakrishnan-says-he-deeply-regrets-mistake-on-tracetogether-data-first-realised-it

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/wp-prepared-to-support-bill-that-restricts-use-of-contact-tracing-data-says

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[0:03 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Honestly ah I think the thing maybe died down a little liao, now pop up again, you might see the 80% drop to some smaller number 

This is sadly a huge blow to trust, and it'll be hard to progress until this trust is adequately restored

[0:03 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Never trust gov after this

[0:04 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Win liao

[0:04 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Many ppl not going to trust our gov liao

[0:04 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Kept quiet until parliament asked

[0:17 pm, 03/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: I like the bill passed that restrict Police from using the data and only on serious crime. I trust our Police and data should be safe in their hand. Hence fore our security and safety will be in a better position. I will encourage everyone to use TraceTogether without fear.

[0:20 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: I trust the police. But not the gov now

[0:22 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: This is a good thing that is being legislated. 

It will deter criminals to a certain extent. 

People have been using social media, like Facebook , Instagram etc are already on the radar of tracking. 

So there is nothing to be so alarmed.

[0:23 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: 👍👏👏

[0:24 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Honestly we can't keep using this "social media already tracking us what" logic, we should instead focus on how we can reinstate this confidence 

Talking more about it in a way that people can perceive as sarcastic is not going to help anyone choose to use TT again - once again, the priority should be to find ways to restore the confidence, not hamper it

[0:25 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Police is part of govt. Parliment passed law to limit the use of trace together info under section 20 of criminsl procedure code

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: I am ok with police having access

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: I no issue. Cause from the start, I don't believe gov say. Lol

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Cause gov say only for contact tracing. Period.

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: Full stop

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: No comma, no add on

[0:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: THE problem now is gov waited for 2 months, when being asked then say.

[0:29 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: I have confidence in Singapore authorities. 

Data used for a good cause, for the benefit of the country & it’s people is acceptable.

[0:31 pm, 03/02/2021] +Phyllis: Hiyar our personal data is no longer secret why so sensitive.

[0:31 pm, 03/02/2021] +Phyllis: You rather our gov know or international hackers?

[0:33 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: is not about data

[0:33 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: is trusting gov

[0:33 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: what they say

[0:34 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Section 20(9) of the code defined the authorised person that can access to data as the following. To clarify, not only police, other law enforcement agency in govt also authorised to access. 

“authorised person” means —

(a) any person who is authorised in writing by the Commissioner of Police for the purposes of this section; or

(b) any officer of a prescribed law enforcement agency who is authorised in writing, by the head of that law enforcement agency, for the purposes of this section;

[0:35 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Data is use for protecting singaporean and also our community. It is use for good cause.

[0:35 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: means the push for vaccine too

[0:36 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: cant trust gov say

[0:36 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: cause it was approved for emergency use

[0:36 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: A certain degree of assuring those who may doubt is still necessary

[0:36 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Maybe they overlooked back then as it is a very rushed proposal and project

[0:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Although not an excuse, imho, but at least they own up when asked, clarified and trying to rectify the mistake

[0:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Gov made a mistake. Should put hands up and say sorry it was unintentional to mislead people.

[0:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Which I think they kind of did.

[0:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: and really, it's not actually a big deal. Is it?

[0:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Berny said it better than me lol

[0:38 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Because my name is longer

[0:38 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: I read an online article said minister vivian was asked by public in oct and he assigned his staff to confirm what the public said, that point then he realised the issue.

[0:38 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: Yes it is over time & tested , that certain things are discovered , & if it is beneficial, then implement.

[0:39 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Ya, this happened

[0:39 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: I think we all have much bigger issues to focus on. Some people who stir this up as an issue possible have other agendas. Other people are just anxious about the use of technology in our lives. People fear what they don't understand.

[0:39 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: TT is here, let's use it and phase out SE asap. Single scan is a huge plus!

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: I don't see what's the big deal about this Trace Together data usage. I would choose safety and security and health any time over some stupid privacy concerns.

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: In reality criminals will just switch off their phone when they want to commit a serious crime, won't they??

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Tt cut down the contact tracing effort from 4 man days to 1.5 manday right?

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Agree YT. I'm happy there is CCTV forcrime and a secure reliable system in place to help manage the pandemic.

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: Agree

[0:40 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: Admitting shortcomings is surprising! What kind of people were advising and assisting the minister!? No one thought of legal avenues for possible misuse!?

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: smart and smooth criminals would do so, the not so savvy ones may forget

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: +1

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: 2.5 man day saving is significant and crucial during pandamic

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: especially when you have super spreading roaming the crowded china town

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: If anything this is more relevant - and the Gov should check their protocols. But we are just talking procedural problem really.

[0:41 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: during cny

[0:42 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Yes, this actually saves lives.

[0:43 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Ok so drop all these, how to restore confidence now that it has already backfired anyway?

[0:43 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: The bill that they are proposing have to be passed in Parliament lor

[0:44 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Sell the benefits of TT and how the data is used to save lives. What is it exactly people are not feeling confident about? Gov? Data? Committing Crimes?

[0:44 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Isn't it just wanna be criminals who would be feeling anxious about this?

[0:45 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: I think that people are concerned about govt tracking them

[0:45 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: https://www.facebook.com/MothershipSG/videos/5049907531717252/

Pritam Singh did suggest some

[0:45 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Thats why there was this ttt tear down video

[0:45 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Ya, when the carrier just roming in town without knowingly he/she is the carrier of virus. More residents will suffer, without tt then who can the bystander know they r in risk of near contact... glad that having tt ontime. Human life is priceless.

[0:47 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: But my stand is still clear: I did nothing wrong, I'm not afraid of govt tracking me for whatever reason

[0:47 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Got it. I honestly think Gov has better things to do than monitor individuals. They are only interested in managing society better. We are 'tracked' on PT; cars are about to be Satellite tracked. Data is used for congestion management, providing services, catching criminals, saving lives.

[0:48 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Face book, google all tracing users. I dont think we r affraid of these companies tracking us right?

[0:48 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: That's why I think this TT debate is a red herring. There is no tangible complaint apart from the Gov taking it for granted we won't care, and being misleading about it (through carelessness).

[0:49 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Can we stop coming back to these "social media, big tech already tracking us" logic anot? Yes it's true but clearly it's not going to knock sense into those who are hesitating

[0:49 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Idk, i only know my phone is secretly reading my chat and sending info somewhere as we speak

[0:49 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Correct, being tracked isn't the problem. It's that the gov said we wouldn't be.

[0:49 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Gps is tracking us too, the internet browser etc, are we going to stop using all these and go back stone age?

[0:49 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: So what are we trying to restore confidence in?

[0:50 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Yes guys, the issue is the communications part again 

How can the government communicate with us without problems here and there again, and again, and again?

[0:50 pm, 03/02/2021] +Caleb: trust in Gov

[0:50 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. While some people cry foul over the privacy data on the use of tracetogether, but seems like fewer people know how foreign social media, cloud providers, tech device makers have more intrusive data about us.

2. Eg. Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Lenovo, Xiaomi, Apple etc will have more private data like handphone number, name, address, GPS location of realtime place of visits, website surfing history, using if our private data for commercial purposes etc.

3. But no one seems to be complaining.

4. Instead tracetogether contains lesser information for our health safety purposes and now for our security - but some people is making a fuss about it.

5. Data stored in the social media and the cloud are more damaging as they are fall into foreign hands and nobody is sure what they will be used for.

[0:51 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Yes we all know everything is tracking us, so that's not the problem. Are we being asked how to help restore confidence in gov?

[0:51 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: I think the issue is for urgent communications

[0:51 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Normal ones like chas cards, xxx subsidy and whatnot rarely gets distorted along the way

[0:52 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Exactly. All gov around the world have to manage public opinion and trust. They all make mistakes, just as all companies do. Looks at the recent Whatsapp outcry about data sharing.

[0:52 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: This is a PR problem, nothing more.

[0:52 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Phone manufacturer is tracking the phone they produced, when they push down the security patch, phone will auto detect and upgrade the apps

[0:53 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Ya, it is just the way of communication. We all are still continue chat @ whatapps

[0:53 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Im not too concerned on samsung or ISD knowing what type and how frequently I watch videos using my phone, it's not like i learning how to do something illegal anyways

[0:54 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: In companies people get fired, resign, demoted etc. This is the same. It's up to leadership to decide how to fix the communication problem and let us know what they did. I don't think anyone should lose their job over this, personally.

[0:55 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: Likewise

[0:55 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Things might have been different if not for the extended deadline 

I have already seen many friends jump to Telegram and Signal over the past few weeks, imagine if the 8 Feb deadline was not changed, this place might have been deserted LMAO

[0:56 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Cloud provider tracked the ip of access point, with other google apps, it directly pin to the location where the folk access the apps. If the person is in field, there are thousands of satelite on top of our head. Maybe google map have our face on it

[0:57 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Street view have some of the people's face when the car drives by

[0:57 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: But that's not targeted

[0:58 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. WhatsApp are touted to be secured with end to end encryption with 256 bits key - even WhatsApp company cannot see the chats.

2. But when the whole chat group track of conversation are backup into goggle drive - everything is in the clear - as encryption are no longer applies.

3. So wonder isn't this more damaging - as the private chat can be seen by foreigners?

[0:58 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: The information in our browser cache contain more information than in tt. The history log in google chrome, Microsoft edge, internet explorer are place hackers like to visit to get our personal information

[1:00 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: OMG!😱😨😕😟

[1:03 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: Exactly, Once it out from whapps online encrypted channel, there will be no more privacy, those chat downloaded into phone storage can be access by malware if the phone infected by malicious software. Data backup in cloud is not encrypted, apple cloud, google cloud, samsung cloud etc, these cloud is protected by user id and password only.

[1:03 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: No loss of confidence in Govt over this issue. It is only a minority who are complaining. 

And this minority are permanently fixed there to point finger at Gov.

[1:05 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ana: Trust in a private corporation and trust in a public institution or government--those are two totally different things, held to two different sets of standards

[1:05 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is unencrypted history of our chat.

You see....

[1:06 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Er?

[1:07 pm, 03/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: Er?

[1:07 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Export chat 😅

[1:09 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: All these rubbish about trust in the government is only amplified by a very small number of people. And I suspect most of them have nothing better to do and just waiting for opportunities to criticize the government. I don't know what their agenda is but I don't see these same people being appreciative when the government had done so much to keep the numbers down and to protect the population. These people are looking to find fault.

[1:09 pm, 03/02/2021] +Elena: This group of ppl are just always protesting whatever gov proposes or sets. They don't use their brains to think. They feel more safe with social media having and exposing their private data because they think social media are not police and will not arrest them sia.

[1:10 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: Having said that, to restore confidence, my suggestion is for the government to boldly and shamelessly state what they have done for us. In my opinion, the government has not done enough of that!

[1:10 pm, 03/02/2021] +Elena: Double standards. Black also they say, white also they say. As long as it is them who set the standards.

[1:10 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: So much so that the simpletons get swayed and influenced easily when these people with undesirable agendas try to incite unhappiness.

[1:12 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: On this note, during my last work related meeting, someone suggested that we as an employee for the estate, should blow our own horn and brag once in a while, so that the residents know what we are doing / did. Same logic here applies

[1:13 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: That suggestion hit me hard and it really made sense to me

[1:13 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/qanon-anti-vax-coronavirus_n_5fbeb0c0c5b61d04bfa6921a          QAnon anti-vax conspiracy.

[1:13 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

QAnon believers spread false claims about COVID-19 vaccine touted by Trump

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[1:13 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/qanons-prominence-during-pandemic-media-should-be-wary-underselling-danger    

 QAnon anti-vax extremism trigger shut down in US Los Angeles vaccination centre and distribution site ---- impeding many Americans from getting the vaccination.

[1:14 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: Well said. That's why I call them simpletons.  Remember that time when many people jumped onto the bandwagon and decided to stop using WhatsApp? Where are these people now? All just think they are so clever and follow the crowd blindly. What's so secretive about their messages that they need to use Telegram or Signal? You mean, where to meet for lunch? What to eat etc., those are secret messages? Come on lah... it's ridiculous. I have old aunties and uncles switching because they read that whatsapp is not private. When I asked them what kind of messages they send that is so secret, they realized how stupid they have been.

[1:14 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Lol...

[1:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Anyway blind lead the blind... people say so follow.. I download just to see if it is good to use.. but not really like the interface for signal

[1:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Maybe they meet an old friend and scared people say they having some scandalous affairs

[1:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Phyllis: Hahaha blind leading the blind!

[1:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: *cough cough, that lady who got charged

[1:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +m@dm@n: i think that is the main reason why ppl want privacy

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +m@dm@n: lol

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: In the first place, whats there to hide when lives are at stake here

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Business risk closing down because of 1-2 who refused to cooperate

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: I guess is more awareness among residents about the purpose of tt, its benefit and its secured feature. The law/ pdpa framework that protect our data in tt.

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: The thing is once you use any form of device your data can be track somehow someway

[1:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Don’t think too much lol

[1:17 pm, 03/02/2021] +m@dm@n: yupe

[1:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +m@dm@n: even if u r not using device, i think satelite still can take pictures

[1:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +m@dm@n: lol

[1:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: If she didn't do anything wrong, why would she be afraid of gossips? 心里有鬼

[1:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: Idk man

[1:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: Haha... yes Berny. One type of rice, feed many types of people.

[1:19 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: Yup. Some people, unfortunately, need to be reminded over and over again to be grateful and to be appreciative of what others do for them.

[1:21 pm, 03/02/2021] +SL: In usa, there were no blanket federal law to protect privacy data like singapore pdpa. Gdpr in EU and pdpa in singapore are the 2 that i saw government enacted to protect personal data.

[1:24 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ana: Double standards doesn't mean that both standards aren't high. Just that standards are different for both. I love Singapore, and acknowledge that the government has done well in various areas. 

I just don't blindly agree that there's no need for improvement in their handling of the Trace Together data

[1:28 pm, 03/02/2021] +Elena: Then should ask the social media to do the same what. Coz u dunno who they sell the data to.

[1:29 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: I always believe it's ok to disagree but please come up with solutions instead of just saying I disagree or I don't want to blindly agree. Then to me, it's no different than my 3- year-old refusing to take his nap just because. Yes, just because. No reason. Just refuse.

[1:31 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: So, any better ideas on how to do contact tracing? I am sure the minders at Reach are all ears.

[1:31 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Is it someone got affairs? 😏

[1:32 pm, 03/02/2021] +YT: I suspect many are having affairs, judging by how the Signal servers went down from too many downloads! 😝🤣

[1:32 pm, 03/02/2021] +Nats: Hell yes, everyone being naysayers or whatever but not coming up with viable solutions is really problematic 🤷‍♂️

[1:34 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ana: What were the solutions purposed in this chat so far? Can take a look

[2:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55914177

[2:15 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Worth remembering that Singapore offers stability and good governance like no where else

[2:16 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ken: Easiest to do business if you have money and good ideas..

Government give all sort of grant and tax free etc

[2:18 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Miscommunicating TT is quite trivial in context of the world stage and problems we are tackling.

[2:19 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: 👍

[2:21 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: That wasn't the problem. It was sharing all data with Facebook and people felt they can't be trusted. It's not the messages people are concerned about.

[2:22 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Profiling, contacts, location etc and that data being used to target ads and share with 3rd parties

[2:33 pm, 03/02/2021] +Valli: 👌👍

[2:50 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Previously money is king.

2. Now data is king.

3. The richest men and corporates are predominantly tech data companies. Eg. Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Alibaba, Tencent.

[2:50 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because they know how to monetize data.

[2:52 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Only tech corporates with global reach can achieve data dominant.

Only 2 superpowers achieve this :-

1. US

2. China

[2:54 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. US dominate 4G data and monetize them early.

2. China catch-up on 4G data to monetize like Alibaba, Tencent, tiktok and leapfrog into 5G.

[4:25 pm, 03/02/2021] +REACH: Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine authorised for use in Singapore, first shipment expected around March

The Health Sciences Authority (HSA) has granted interim authorisation for Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine to be used in Singapore for people aged 18 years and above, it announced on Wednesday (Feb 3).

The vaccination regime submitted by Moderna requires two doses of the vaccine to be administered 28 days apart.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-singapore-authorised-hsa-first-shipment-14103204

[4:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Alvin: Wow wow wow

[4:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Alvin: Second one approved

[4:26 pm, 03/02/2021] +Alvin: 👍🏻

[4:27 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Google co-founder Sergey Brin opens family office in Singapore

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/google-sergey-brin-family-office-singapore-invest-finance-wealth-14103074

[5:23 pm, 03/02/2021] +jimmy chew: 👍

[5:27 pm, 03/02/2021] +jimmy chew: After the cases in court about civil servants some citizens are upset or not aware that besides MOH others can have access. I am okay with police using it for any  crimes to get witness

[5:27 pm, 03/02/2021] +jimmy chew: So to each the reaction is different

[5:31 pm, 03/02/2021] +REACH: 18 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore: 17 imported and 1 in community

There were 18 new coronavirus cases confirmed at noon on Wednesday (Feb 3), taking Singapore's total to 59,602.

Of these, one case was a local transmission, while the rest were imported cases which had been placed on stay-home notices or isolated on arrival in Singapore, said the Ministry of Health (MOH).

More : https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/18-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-17-imported-and-1-in-the-community

[5:33 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Very interested to know how the 1 case was detected!

[5:34 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Someone not feeling well or random testing?

[5:34 pm, 03/02/2021] +Berny: maybe he not feeling well and is socially responsible and visit the doc

[5:38 pm, 03/02/2021] +Ben: Who needs science? "I think the safest thing to say is (the film) wasn’t my only source of advice on this issue but I did watch the film" The UK Health minister after watching "Contagion" https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/02/how-matt-hancocks-obsession-with-matt-damon-film-inspired-uks-vaccine-strategy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[5:43 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/13/923248377/will-kids-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-to-expand-trial-to-ages-12-and-up                                                                                     

Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine trial for children age 12 - 16 years old.

[5:55 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinopharm’s Covid-19 vaccine remained active against S. Africa variant but effect reduced

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/sinopharms-covid-19-vaccine-stays-active-against-south-africa-variant-with-reduced

[5:57 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinopharm vaccine safe for children between 3 to 17 years old.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/chinas-sinopharm-covid-19-vaccine-safe-for-children-and-teenagers-says-state-media

[5:58 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinovac not mention.

[6:04 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: Inconclusive to be considered from their clinical trials!?

[6:05 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinopharm look promising for:-

1. Children

2. Immuno-compromised to mRNA PEG nanoparticles.

3. Effective against UK, S Africa and Brazil strains.

No mention of Sinovac.

[6:12 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinovac don't know.

Quite a number of negative news.

Sinopharm quite a lot of positive news.

[6:13 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinopharm score very well on the 3 issues that are important to us.

[6:37 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: Great

 

[6:39 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But we have sign purchase agreement with Sinovac already.

Jialat.

[6:45 pm, 03/02/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors!

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan

[6:52 pm, 03/02/2021] +Alvin: Gdnite Megan

[6:53 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: Great foresight

[6:57 pm, 03/02/2021] +An fan: Do we have choice for the vaccines?

[6:58 pm, 03/02/2021] +An fan: Which one to take

[6:58 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But Sinovac we bought not Sinopharm.

[6:59 pm, 03/02/2021] +Alvin: Nope

[6:59 pm, 03/02/2021] +Rama: That I am not confident

[6:59 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Moh may have to review.

[7:00 pm, 03/02/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[7:00 pm, 03/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sinovac I came across- not many positive news.

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REACH 191 - How to tackle climate change and embrace sustainability (SK)

02 Feb 2021 (11am - 7pm)

REACH

[10:54 am, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Dear contributors,

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[11:00 am, 02/02/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

💬 How can we as a community play our part in tackling climate change and embracing sustainability?

To address climate change and promote sustainability, Singapore will soon launch a Green Plan, with agencies across ministries setting “ambitious and concrete targets”, said Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu in Parliament on Monday (Feb 1).

The plan will be continually refined as circumstances change, new opportunities emerge, and input is sought from citizens, businesses and communities. 

More details will be announced in the coming weeks, she said, with Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat slated to speak on the Government’s sustainability agenda during this year’s Budget debates. 

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-green-plan-climate-change-sustainability-goals-14088522

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/public-consultation-period-for-dover-forest-extended-by-4-weeks-desmond-lee

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[11:14 am, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Hahaha. Reduce road tax for electric cars

[11:20 am, 02/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: Agreed. The road tax for electric car is too high. There should be good incentive to encourage car dealers to bring in more electric car . I heard other countries all giving good incentives for electric car.

[11:25 am, 02/02/2021] +Berny: give COE rebate if they use COE to buy electric car, not sure how viable or feasible it is though

[11:29 am, 02/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: COE is the same regardless electric car. Is the incentive currently not there to buy a electric car and electric car now very expensive.

[11:31 am, 02/02/2021] +Berny: Correct, so if they use that to buy electric car, they get further incentives, on top of the existing rebate

[11:32 am, 02/02/2021] +Berny: Or maybe set a side a number of coe, specially for electric vehicle

[11:33 am, 02/02/2021] +WJ: study feasibility of replacing power plants with solar panel and battery.

[11:37 am, 02/02/2021] +Alvin: We can achieve this by a few movements.

1) Getting more ppl to give up on cars and take public. Active mobility needs to take front seat again for last mile transport. Encourage and lead EV and/or using renewal fuels.

2) Change our lifestyle by converting our food waste to fertilizer or compost. Next encourage more biodegradable bags for use. Have a recycling event where we can redeem unwanted items for crafted items using recycled materials.

3) I remember reading that sg gov have a policy where if we remove one tree, we have to plant back two in return. I hope this is the case for Dover Forest that we want to clear.

My 2.14 cents

[11:42 am, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: Should I take the COVID-19 vaccine if I have allergies? Anaphylaxis is rare, say experts https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccine-allergies-anaphylaxis-reactions-pfizer-14092506#.YBjKAdI648U.whatsapp

[11:44 am, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: Education is the key. Like the exhibits in ASM. 

https://www.marinabaysands.com/museum/exhibitions/planet-or-plastic.html

[11:49 am, 02/02/2021] +Ben: There is still a climate cost though. Electric cars will be a success if we build the infrastructure.

[11:50 am, 02/02/2021] +Ben: Charging points are critical, currently there is no where to charge in HDB parking.

[11:51 am, 02/02/2021] +Ben: Boost car sharing like a blueSG, they already have a business model and it's cheaper than a cab. Some investment there would increase car supply and parking spaces.

[0:02 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: I don't know what's the hoo-hah over Dover Forest or whatever, but since my subject matter is mobility,

People keep thinking EVs will replace ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles 1-on-1 and that is not true. In fact, I have been telling people in the mobility sector that governments need to seize the opportunity and to use this current transition from ICEVs to EVs to "squeeze 'em out" ('em referring to cars) 

As all of you know, I am a strong proponent of public transport and other urban mobility options aside from the conventional cars but I will keep this analysis as fair and square as possible as I see both an opportunity as well as an obstruction. 

In Norway, the adoption of EVs is too damn high right now, so much so that the government has to co…

[0:06 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Get involved with those who are already trying to make a difference.

[0:20 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: No need to check in at different shops in the same mall once TraceTogether-only SafeEntry kicks in https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-need-to-check-in-to-different-shops-in-the-same-mall-once-tracetogether-only-safeentry?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[0:27 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: Great. Can we start ToS now ?

[0:41 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

[1:13 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Single-used plastics bags

1. I support lesser usage of single-used plastics.

2. But the single-used have dual used - as carrier for groceries in supermarket - they are also used to bag liquid waste and solid waste at home - else it will be a hygiene problem if housing estates dispose their waste without bagging them.

3. Hence, suggest for each trip to supermarket like NTUC, ShengShiong, Giants etc - 1st 5 bags should be free. There after charge for single-plastic bag used. This will limit 5 plastic bags per transaction - and limit the used of single-used plastic bags - but yet achieve the "dual used of single-plastic bag" to bag liquid and solid waste at home.

4. Low and middle income household - will not feel the pinch of having to pay for plastic bag in shopping for groceries in supermarket.

[1:15 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Revert to use banana leaves

[1:15 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Lol

[1:29 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Rearing live foodstocks like cows, pigs, poultries etc - are the one of the largest source of contributors to climate change and host-based pandemics (eg. SARS, covid-19, MERs, swine flu, mad-cow disease, bird flu, HxNx, etc).

1.  The conversion of forests into agricultural land and livestock ranches is one of the major causes of deforestation. It is being done to meet the rising demand for food. Raising livestock generates 14.5 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions that are very bad for the environment

2, Scientists also has proven that virus jump host from animals to human - eg. Swine flu, bird flu, covid, SARS, H1N1 etc - due to people slaughtering of animals for food.

3. That why is urging government to spend more efforts and resources to R&D on alternative food source such as :-

a. Vegetarian food

b. Vegan base meat

c. 3D-printed vegan base meat

d. Cell culture and tissue re-engineering meat

e. Beyond meat

4. All the above suggestions will dispense with the needs to allocate big land mass (through deforestation) to grow crops to feed live animal stocks and refrain from slaughter animals for meat. Hence global climate can be protected.

5. Also, it will open up a new economic sector for Singapore - high tech agro industry and create new jobs for Singaporean.

6. The above proposal will have achieve 4 objectives :-

a. Stop slaughtering of animals for food and reduce animals sufferings.

b. Reduce the risk of pandemic base animals host to human virus infections.

c. Protect global climate by reducing the land required to clear forest to rear animals and crops.

d. Start a new high tech agro industry for Singapore and create high value added jobs to Singaporean and create export led industry on gourmet meat.

e. The above proposed agro industry will have created :-

- High tech lab for food R&D.

- Create manufacturing plants to mass produce vegan-based meat

- Food packaging, logistics, food supply chain, marketing

- Domestic food market

- Export food industry for overseas market

- Create many jobs in food R&D, high tech food manufacturing plant, logistic food supply chain, marketing jobs for domestic and overseas market

[1:30 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: 😮 Oh no 😮 not again no 😮

[1:31 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: lol

[1:32 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Cell culture meat is not halal and may contain beef lol... depending on the serum comes from

[1:34 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Like it or not

[1:35 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: It will be the future

[1:35 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Once the tech matures and they can scale

[1:35 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: It will be so cheap and fast that they will put all the real food farmers out of business

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Not about the tech, it's about how this dude keeps repeating this NON-STOP

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Ooooo

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Unlikely... meat is mainly consume by the rich countries... so sure still have jobs.

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Yes

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: In every different form different day

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: With such techniques, the cost can be right down drastically

[1:36 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: 🤣🤣

[1:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: It’s all these industrial farming that makes meat cheaper now

[1:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: U just see how cheap salmon is now compare to say 20 yrs ago

[1:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Manpower is never going away no matter how automate...

[1:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Intensive salmon farming

[1:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Yah the auto cutting farm is amazing to watch

[1:38 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: But also high wastage 😓

[1:41 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Non-fuel based alternative energy

1. Solar cell panel and other energy efficient but climate-friendly method to generate electricity for energy needs in HDB estates, private housing etc.

2. Build extra track to accomodate PMD - eg. bicycles, eletric scooter, PMA, PMDs.

3. Provide infrastructure, incentives to convert fuel cars to electric cars.

4. Roll our DCS (District Cooling System) air-con to malls, office buildings and even HDB estates, condos - to replace individual air-con installation in individual homes.

[1:44 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Only Agree with 4.

1. Still takes time to mature 

2. As now PMD has banned lol.. people culture need time to educate

3. What happen to the old cars if we abandoned totally in favor of the electric cars. Power comes from power plant, so without going on fuel. Electric becomes Monopoly by a few players.if our power grids is down no more cars moving no matter how long your battery can last it still need refuel. And EMP can easily wipe out your electric cars

[1:44 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Clearly no one bothered to read what I typed

[1:44 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Lol

[1:45 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Then want to parrot ._.

[1:45 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: He clearly have a very structured message from some where sure not from phone to type so complex and always have copy lol

[1:46 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Prepared beforehand liao lol like meeting notes liddat

[1:48 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Should ask him go policy then see how hard is it to implement those.. 

and why the not so popular ones still around for so long. 

Mindset cannot be change by keep repeating. Culture and education and many things need to be in place and Singapore clearly is moving slowly to try and adapt to see if it works.

But as we have seen we are not ready for many.. setup and died. Only a few successful ones. But then again never try never know

[1:49 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Lol two pronged attack isit, I cover mobility side you cover life sciences side, he kena kiap 😆

[1:50 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Life science I really do hope there is improvement.. hence read up quite a bit. But issues with those implementation have many things and not all are good. We only want to see the advantages but not the bad that comes with it.

[1:51 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: When the advantage outweighs the disadvantage then we can push for it

[1:51 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Mobility also, whole world may see ours as world class but I know exactly where we went wrong but we cannot just anyhow whack, need to plan carefully one, so cannot just outright say build more lanes for AM one

[1:51 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: For now is really a playground for those ideas and create capacity for it

[1:52 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Not wrong for them to develop, that's how we innovate - some will fail, some will succeed, it's how life is basically 🤐

[1:53 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Hence all small small ones.. lol.. dyson is one of the big failures lol.. they trying to find replacement for the hole dyson left lol

[1:53 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Many suppliers affected by that..

[1:54 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Dyson die son lol greatest scam of all time sia but I know there's this thing called SGInnovate that focuses on deep tech, you heard of them before?

[1:55 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Not really, didn’t read much on that.. 

guess similar to pharma require high skilled and infrastructure. Not easy to move kind

[1:56 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Yeah it's a relatively new thing, but SGInnovate is good imo, they had incubator sessions with Hyundai/KIA

[1:57 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Plant-based food innovation centre run by 2 Swiss companies to open in Singapore in April

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/plant-based-food-innovation-centre-woodlands-swiss-companies-13966830

[1:58 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If the world collaborate - the world will have reduced the onslaught of Disease X.

[1:58 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Many innovations means money pump in with tax free.. but similarly when money run dries some of them just move out like example GE,Novaties etc

[1:59 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Create jobs but no more not always have many stayed as other countries can do the same so if our people don’t learn and do those jobs we never gain from paying those companies to come

[1:59 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore is so advanced in innovation - precisely of great vision - the hallmark of tech innovation.

[1:59 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Our guys just not brave enough to setup companies to tap on such talents

[2:00 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

A country will never progress - without vision, foresight and courage.

[2:01 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: I think another problem is also the local talent pool lol like macam no talent liddat tbh 😆

[2:03 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Lab-grown chicken company Eat Just to house Asia-Pacific HQ, possibly global manufacturing hub in Singapore, says CEO

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/eat-just-chicken-substitute-singapore-hq-manfacturing-hub-13818182

[2:04 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. And reverse the effects of global climate.

[2:05 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Have but no guts.. not many dare to join start up I myself included

[2:06 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Actually you're also correct, most locals are basically shy, afraid to try new things as well

[2:06 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And start another big economic sector for Singapore - the high tech agro food technology sector.

Which can fetch billions of dollars and job growth.

[2:09 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. That can ensure food security in our domestic market like water security.

2. Can prevent fluctuations in food price like chicken die in queue, lockdown by overseas countries, climate change reduce food stocks like dry land cannot grow crops, etc.

3. Grow sufficiently can even export to overseas markets.

4. Boost our GDP.

[2:10 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Govt 'will not hesitate to use the full force of the law' on vaccine-related misinformation: Iswaran https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-law-covid-19-vaccine-fake-news-14094220#.YBjssd5h0pY.whatsapp

[2:10 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Disinformation found in internet and social media about the vaccines safety is the greatest obstacles to gain public trust in getting public to get vaccinated.

https://www.todayonline.com/voices/overcoming-public-distrust-vaccines-requires-engagement-and-authentic-dialogue

[2:13 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Disinformation is an asymmetric warfare started in US - by Trump and his conspiracy groups to want to secure his re-election.

Anti-vaccines disinformation websites news are meant to sabotage Biden administration.

Unfortunately, the world unwittingly read such conspiracy news - and sabotage our efforts to vaccinate our population to defeat the covid pandemic.

[2:20 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Disinformation use half-truth, total lies, misinformation etc - to prey on the fear of people, especially vaccines which are new - to create confusion, unrest and distrust of public institutions and government to save the public from the pandemic.

Pandemic is a "world war albeit biological one cause by nature that bring mass death and global economic collapse".

And disinformation websites is an asymmetric warfare trigger by unscrupulous politicians and gullible people who read it, and propagate it out of good intentions but in fact aiding the heinous politicians.

[2:20 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Safe distancing flies out of the window as crowd gathers for owl at Sin Ming Drive https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/social-distancing-flies-out-of-the-window-as-crowd-gathers-for-owl-at-sin-ming-drive

[2:21 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: What will it take to cooperate!?

[2:47 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Bill to restrict use of TraceTogether to serious crimes seeks to assure public their data will be safeguarded: Vivian

The Government's intention in introducing a proposed law urgently to restrict the use of personal contact tracing data is to remove any doubt among Singaporeans and assure them that the data will be properly safeguarded and used appropriately.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/bill-to-restrict-use-of-tracetogether-to-serious-crimes-seeks-to-assure-public-their-data

[2:51 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: No need to check in at different shops in same mall when TraceTogether-only entry begins

The inconvenience of checking in and out with SafeEntry at different stores within a shopping centre will be a thing of the past once compulsory TraceTogether-only SafeEntry kicks in.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-need-to-check-in-to-different-shops-in-the-same-mall-once-tracetogether-only-safeentry

[2:52 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Most important, allocate budget to protect Singapore from rising sea water and tsunami.

[3:01 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Sgd100 billion set aside.

[3:34 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ben: Great news! An major incentive to encourage everyone to switch to TT asap.

[4:18 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Dover Forest is more than planting trees. The ecosystem in Dover Forest will be affected. You can relocate trees, but can you relocate the wildlife found in Dover Forest? What is going to happen is that you see otters killing koi fish, wild boars smashing down glass doors and monkeys attacking people. Please do not tear down the homes of these wildlife as they are part of this ecosystem too.

[4:27 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: [Sent by Gov.sg – 2 Feb]

As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed no new cases of locally transmitted COVID-19 infection. 

There are 19 imported cases, who had already been placed on Stay-Home Notice or isolated upon arrival in Singapore. 

MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.

go.gov.sg/moh020221update

[4:30 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Should I take the COVID-19 vaccine if I have allergies? Anaphylaxis is rare, say experts

The COVID-19 vaccine administered in Singapore is safe relative to other childhood and adult vaccines available here, experts said following reports that four people have had severe allergic reactions after getting their first dose.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccine-allergies-anaphylaxis-reactions-pfizer-14092506

[4:31 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: 4 out of 155,000 is acceptable.

[4:37 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: We have many recycling drives yet the infrastructure to support recycling in our homes are too simplistic, and many people have been mis-using the bins. We have a big recycling bin for all recycling items. I'm heartened to see Ikea providing recycling bins in their stores. Our public infrastructure should at least do the same. 

Example, different days to collect recycleable wastes eg. Mon- papers, wed- Cans, Fri- plastic bottles. Glass to be collected separately as they are easily breakable. The recycling vending machines will also be a good idea.

[4:38 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: People's mindset towards recycling and the environment needs to be tweaked

[4:39 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Wonder how can we improve this... we are first world country with third world mindset lol

[4:40 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: Specially with baby.. the trash created is just so much 😓

[4:41 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Govt 'will not hesitate to use the full force of the law' on vaccine-related misinformation: Iswaran

The Government is “actively monitoring” misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and it “will not hesitate to use the full force of the law” when needed, said Minister for Communications and Information S. Iswaran on Tuesday (Feb 2).

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-law-covid-19-vaccine-fake-news-14094220

[4:42 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Agree

[4:43 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Returning of trays and utensils is one example.  Recent programme on mediacorp channel 5 featuring diana ser as a cleaner is an example.

[4:45 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Cleaners are employed to clean up my mess!

[4:46 pm, 02/02/2021] +YT: About time the government stepped up. So much misinformation out there and so many idiots spreading them.

[4:47 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: We totally need a complete overhaul when talking about recycling

[4:52 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. It is unfortunate for some rare few that will react to adverse reactions on vaccination.

But it is not life threatening if given immediate treatment.

2. Recovery is within 1 day upon given anti-allergy treatment.

3. At the same time, the rare few develop anti-bodies and protect themselves against the covid virus.

4. Also they will get $10,000 as compensation.

[4:54 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: 5. Sgd225k if permanent disability or death.

[4:54 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hope no one needs that.

[4:55 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Yes

[4:55 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: I rather taste sgd10k!

[4:55 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. Contracting covid-19 is more damaging to health than vaccination.

[4:57 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nicolette Tan: by the time 10k is quite serious alr: “It provides a one-time payout of up to S$10,000 if a person is hospitalised in a high dependency or intensive care ward but subsequently recovers”

[4:59 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: True

[5:14 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If people don't vaccinate, there is a constant fear that one day, he/she will contract the covid-19 - when the majority get vaccinated.

2. This will be the greatest motivation for people to overcome their fear to get themselves vaccinated - to protect themselves and their love ones.

3. Else life will no longer be the same for them ever after.

[5:18 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Procrastination will not help in the long run.

[5:22 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: My father-in-law aptly describes this as striking 4D.

[5:23 pm, 02/02/2021] +Ken: 😅

[5:31 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Yes. Lets start with more infrastructure to support recycling.

[5:33 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: But you remember that old news saying how recycling isn't that useful after China stopped accepting stuff for recycling or something? 

Don't remember much but I think NEA has done a really good job advocating for recycling so we definitely can do more 

There's this working group on recyclables or something too but I didn't get in lol

[5:38 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Yes. The key to climate change is still with reduce, not recycle. The waste that Singaporeans generate is alarming. All the buffet promos and cheap online purchases (double 10, double 11 and double 12). I have friends telling me abt the purchases they made during these shopping spree and they regret buying it or buying it in case they need it in future. We really need to develop the Konmarie mentality when we make purchases.

[5:39 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Actually many paid surveys out there focus on reducing too, asking if one prefers cheap clothes that last a few months or expensive clothes that last for longer 

Many insights can be gained just by participating in such surveys, wow

[5:47 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. I am closely watching the development of the trial on children vaccines.

5. Children is our one of the more vulnerable groups that need protection.

[5:58 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: But then again, recycling is a necessary phase before reduce. Citizens will then have a better knowledge on which are the items that can are commonly recycled( type 1 PETE and type 2 HDPE). And hopefully,  people will try to make a conscious effort in reducing plastic bags in supermarkets after involving in recycling. At least students gain their understand through these recycling VIA. And if any of your children or family members try to initiate this because he/she did this in school, kudos to them.

[5:58 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: You have a point

[5:59 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Can also increase awareness of those volunteer stuff like the what repair kopitiam or whatever it's called 

Focus more on how one can salvage things rather than throwing them away

[6:02 pm, 02/02/2021] +YT: I agree. When I was growing up in the 70s, and 80s, people repair things. I remember my parents calling for repairmen to come and fix washing machine, TV, and even the ceiling fan at home. Nowadays, it's a throwaway culture. People don't bother repairing. And I believe the big manufacturers have a role in this. They have made it so expensive to call for a repairman that people would rather throw out and buy a new appliance than to repair. It's sad, but where's the corporate social responsibility there? Then these big companies turn around and announce they are environmentally friendly etc., Stand back a little and you will see the game they are playing.

[6:03 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Lol I heard those traditional TV karang guni also don't want liao 😂

[6:04 pm, 02/02/2021] +YT: Yes! Some evrn asked me to pay them to take away when I had to replace my TV recently. And it's not even a very old model. Flat screen kind, mind you!

[6:06 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: My sentiments too.

[6:06 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: They want smart TV sia, unimaginable!

[6:10 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: More than 360 COVID-19 stay-home notice breaches and 130 quarantine order violations so far: MHA

There have been 367 breaches of stay-home notices and 130 quarantine order breaches as of Jan 25, said Minister of State for the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) Muhammad Faishal Ibrahim on Tuesday (Feb 2). 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-shn-quarantine-order-breach-crime-mha-14094458

[6:13 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: 25 Jan 2020

[6:13 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: or 2021?

[6:14 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Wah proof checker sia this one 

Why MCI no give you job sia like no sarcasm, you confirm can fix their comms one 😂

[6:14 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: no la

[6:14 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: should be 2020

[6:14 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: not only 2-Feb

[6:14 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: lol

[6:15 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Sure bo Jan 2020 when all the lockdown action start in April 2020???

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: from 2020 Jan till Jan 25

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: I read wrongly.. lol

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: or 25-Jan

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Caleb: not Jan 2025

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: SIAO

[6:16 pm, 02/02/2021] +Rama: Penalties need to be tightened

[6:17 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Megan must've had such high hopes for you 😂

[6:20 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: The wisdom of the older generation should be picked up. While cinemas around the world are facing problem with garbage collection, we have kacang puteh wrapped in reused Times magazines or Yellow pages. 😅

[6:21 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Or should i say, used to have.

[6:24 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Third world solution to a first world problem.

[6:25 pm, 02/02/2021] +Nats: Now cannot ah, even without COVID people will say unhygienic or something one

[6:38 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: Ha! Thats why they came out with those plastic bags to wrap the popcorns nowadays.

[6:44 pm, 02/02/2021] +Dan: We need to encourage companies to be environmental friendly. I rem seeing an article somewhere about grading the companies whether their products are eco friendly. And the consumers support the companies that actively participates.

[6:48 pm, 02/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://sg.yahoo.com/style/singapore-building-42-000-home-223700664.html                                          

When is our turn for DCS cooling system - for other HDB houses and private housing?

[6:49 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors!

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 10 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Megan

[6:49 pm, 02/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: Good night Megan

[6:51 pm, 02/02/2021] +Alvin: Gdnite Megan

[7:00 pm, 02/02/2021] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 190 - How to encourage vaccination (SK)

01 Feb 2021 (11am - 7pm)

[11:38 am, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Dear contributors,

Welcome back! 😊

⏰ We will be opening the chat from 11.45am to 9pm today. ⏰

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[11:41 am, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Woman warded after Covid-19 vaccine: SGH says no evidence symptoms are side effects https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-evidence-that-patients-symptoms-are-linked-to-covid-19-vaccine-sgh?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[11:42 am, 01/02/2021] +REACH: askST: Why you need to get your Covid-19 vaccine shots https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/askst-why-you-need-to-get-your-covid-19-shots?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[11:50 am, 01/02/2021] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

More than 113,000 people have received their first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said on Thursday (Jan 28).

Among them, there were 432 "adverse event reports" linked to symptoms generally associated with all vaccinations. Most symptoms resolved on their own within a few days, said MOH. There were three cases of anaphylaxis, or rapid onset of severe allergic reactions, but all of them recovered and were discharged after a day's observation or treatment, the ministry added. All three had a history of allergies, but none had a history of anaphylaxis, which would have precluded them from receiving the vaccine.

MOH said it will continue to work with the Health Sciences Authority and the Expert Committee on Covid-19 Vaccination to closely monitor the safety of the vaccine and ensure the vaccines used in Singapore are safe for its population groups.

💬 How can we encourage more people in our community to get vaccinated?

👉 https://str.sg/JK2k

👉 https://str.sg/JKBF

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[11:51 am, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: Update the vaccine website FAQs

[11:51 am, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: And have a more comprehensive FAQs

[11:53 am, 01/02/2021] +Bobby Tan: List down probable allergy effect so that people can be well prepare and not at a shock . Especially people who are allergy to certain medicine.

[11:53 am, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: Maybe do a 2 in 1. 

Vaccine plus saliva test for covid-19?

[11:54 am, 01/02/2021] +Nats: To add on to that, not only have insurance coverage (or what not), but also medical (and emotional) help at the ready

[11:54 am, 01/02/2021] +WJ: Give benefits of traveling overseas. Reduced quarantine when returning.

[0:05 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Covid vaccines already having an effect on UK outbreak, research suggests

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccines-already-having-effect-170846213.html

[0:09 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Another country, UK has see tangible benefits in vaccination after Israel - even after 1st jab.

But UK is delaying the 2nd jab so as to roll out to more people - which is against the guidelines of vaccine makers and WHO.

But getting vaccination for everyone does stop the covid-19 pandemic.

So despite some risks of adverse reactions to a small minority of people, everyone should try to get vaccinated - because the risks and effects of getting the covid is far more worst than getting ourselves vaccinated.

[0:13 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ana: Be specific about symptoms and cases which will be covered and will not be covered under vaccine insurance. 

When healthcare institutions keep saying there's "no evidence" of whatever conditions needed for covid insurance coverage, it undermines public trust and willingness to get vaccinated

[0:15 pm, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: +1

[0:17 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

25 COVID-19 cases with B117 variant found in Singapore: MOH

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-b117-uk-variant-south-africa-singapore-25-cases-14069952

[0:19 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So the speed of mutated variants has indeed strike with speed.

We are not only dealing with original covid, we are seeing more variant B117 UK strain hitting our shore.

Thus only vaccination can protect us.

[0:19 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ana: I want to get vaccinated ASAP, but 

(1) knowing there's no sufficient media coverage of these people who are suffering immediately after getting vaccinated,  

(2) these anecdotal experiences of family members suffering, hospitals being iffy about "no evidence", leading to not getting covered by insurance stated by the government, and

(3) having a family to support

really makes me hesitate.

[0:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +XaniceAfcai: 1. Educate the people on the vaccine and what are the expected, do and don't.

2. Advertise on TV and radio on vaccination.

3. Poster in neighbour or public places.

4. Rc members or volunteer of each estate to go around neighbourhood to promote and educate people on vaccination.

[0:23 pm, 01/02/2021] +Rama: Use dialects where possible and necessary along with malay and tamil.

[0:34 pm, 01/02/2021] +maybellrejoice1: Worrisome, more reports of deaths amongst the elderly following mRNA vaccinations at nursing homes.... from a whistle blower.

CNA Nursing Home Whistleblower: Seniors Are DYING LIKE FLIES After COVID Injections!

Jan 26, 2021

Health Impact News

James (he gives his last name in the video) is a CNA (Certified…

[1:00 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Whilst I too have spoken to people who have been vaccinated and didn't feel well either, I think these cases are infrequent and short-lived. Maybe a few days feeling tired, some headaches etc. We don't know if these are psychosomatic either. With all the anxiety and uncertainty, people feel nervous and the stress alone can make people feel unwell. I will be taking the vaccine when the opportunity comes.

[1:01 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Things that make me suspicious and want to look further before accepting this as Fact.

[1:02 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Bruh at least click on the link and then know why they call it medicalkidnap lmao

[1:04 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Tempting of course, but no thanks lol. I don't want to keep funding them through click bait advertising!

[1:07 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Covid vaccine - hope for elderly

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/11/23/COVID-19-vaccine-hope-for-older-adults-AstraZeneca-Pfizer-Moderna-trial-data

[1:07 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Covid vaccine: Pfizer says '94% effective in over-65s'

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54986208

[1:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +WJ: Important point for public: there's insurance coverage to COVID-19 vaccination complication.

[1:11 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZDa4rKxNg                                                                        Early data from Israel - where 20% of its population has been received the Pfizer jab - suggests it could lead to a 33% decline in infections among the over-60s, just two weeks after the group were vaccinated.

While COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to reduce the risk of serious disease, this new data suggests the UK may have to rethink it's decision to delay the second jab.

[1:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +maybellrejoice1: https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine/

[1:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Are you usually resistant to vaccinations or is it just this one? I'm asking without judgement to understand the context of this post.

[1:15 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There are many conspiracy and misinformation website coming out from US - supporting Trump conspiracy.

Specifically the QAnon conspiracy website.

Anti-vaccines is also part of this conspiracy.

[1:16 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Some historical background to put things in perspective. https://www.bmj.com/content/325/7361/430/related

[1:16 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Worth reading before spreading misinformation about vaccinations.

[1:18 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: You should be charged for spreading misinformation

[1:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +maybellrejoice1: It's just info pls. Not spreading anything. Everyone has a choice pls. You decide.

[1:23 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Err share more credible source I really don’t like non mainstream media... if not @+65 6336 7926 Megan please moderate.

[1:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: @REACH Singapore

[1:24 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

QAnon conspiracy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/25/qanon-conspiracy-theory-explained-trump-what-is

[1:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: That's the exact rationale of folks spreading misinformation. "I'm just sharing, you decide."

[1:27 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There are many disinformation websites spreading conspiracy theory.

Among the conspiracy theory is the disinformation of anti-vaccination to sow further chaos to the world that everyone seen in Trump administration.

[1:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: Ok ah, I'm pretty neutral on this ya, but by just "sharing" without fact checking, pofma can hammer you down

[1:28 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: So unless you are very sure of the info and facts, best is to read and stop the circulation when in doubt

[1:28 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: That is also why I rarely share articles on whatsapp, unless because it is funny

[1:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: How about you do us all a favour and stop with your "care and sharing"

[1:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: Like this one:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-china-deploys-anal-swabs-test-coronavirus-14052524?cid=FBcna

[1:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: Because, its funny

[1:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Lol 🤣

[1:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Lol I sense much hypocrite 

Someone who doesn't even participate in this place regularly suddenly comes out to confront someone else over some (might not be true) news

[1:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Berny: Credible or not is another story

[1:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: Why so angsty!

[1:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: 😅

[1:34 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: I'm free to chime in whenever I like. This channel doesn't belong to you little guy

[1:34 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Hahaha shut up bro you forever troublemaker one

[1:35 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: Hiyoh relax. Today only 1st FEB!

[1:36 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Chill guys.. anyway try to share mainstream or credible source nowadays the world is crazy enough... 

Need some peace lol

[1:37 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: So am I wrong in asking her to stop spreading misinformation

[1:38 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: No issue arh...

[1:38 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Lol I'd rather just have Ben's message than yours lmao, at least Ben approaches the issue with a balanced perspective and supports his statement with something else while you? You're just like you should be charged 

I hope you're charged with electricity lmaooo

[1:39 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: Haha yeah. This is Reach chat. If defunct Best to include link. I accidentally shared some good news about pfizer. Then my friend send me a link on same website but there was an advert that pfizer sponsored another drug. Good to know if refute maybe provide evidence.

[1:40 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: Not wrong la, maybe can put in a nicer way

[1:40 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: For me if I am pissed off enough I will go Google and amass information to shoot people... but then again, for the good for people usually mainstream do fact check a bit more so we don’t usually open fire 🤣🤣

[1:40 pm, 01/02/2021] +~宇: You don't get to police who says what here little toad. This is Reach not your channel

[1:40 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Wah

[1:41 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: What happened ? I can smell the gunpowder

[1:41 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: Oi what TOAD.

[1:41 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: I despise name calling!

[1:42 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: My friend shared with me CNN, Russian Times and aAl jerzera .All different perspective. Even BBC on is bias and I thought it was neutral 😐

[1:42 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: 😥 just a platform to share our thoughts.. mind your language please 🙏

[1:42 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: Agree. Agree 👍

[1:43 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Wah I toad? Then you what? Cyberbully? Accomplice of ahem, 9742 4440?

[1:44 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Everyone has their agenda, so it's really up to us to judge for ourselves lor :/

[1:44 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: @REACH Singapore admin please assist 😅

[1:44 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: You do need to be careful. You are sharing it, and giving no counter view so it does appear like an endorsement.

[1:45 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Covid-19 vaccines can't currently be given to S'poreans who wish to travel overseas, due to limited supplies: Janil https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parliament-vaccines-cannot-currently-be-given-to-singaporeans-who-wish-to-travel-overseas?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[1:45 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Ben is nice. Be like Ben. Not like Jun Yu.

[1:46 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: 👍

[1:47 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Got data as to who doesn't and who wants to take the vaccine amongst the general population? Meaning not those prioritised ones like frontline and elderly

[1:53 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: They mean that people who wish to travel will not be prioritised for vaccination. The headline is very ambiguous otherwise, implying maybe that after vaccination you cannot travel.

[1:54 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: On my point, now got lotsa paid surveys ask about vaccine, whether we want to take it or not 

There are tons and tons of survey panels asking the same question, am sure some are commissioned by gahmen one

[1:55 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: We go way back, WAY BACK lol

[1:55 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/consumer/nightclubs-and-karaoke-outlets-in-the-dark-after-pilot-project-fails-to-take-off

[1:57 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: I think the appropriate ministries should advice those in there groups who are active in participating in the scheme. Sad to see them not being updated to listen too. I know the government is busy but they also doing their best to help

[1:57 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Ah yes this one, thanks for sharing it here! 

I just think that even if the core services can't be offered, there'll still be patrons who will do what they can to support such businesses if they switch to other models like F&B 

Indeed, they'll have to pivot to something else if they wish to survive

[1:59 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: This one really hard, if we don’t save them they will be the end. But then again, if we do then the other industry that are badly hit then how? 

It’s luck and nothing much we can do to help. Subject to market force and situation.

[1:59 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Pivot lor, as I put in the message above

[1:59 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: We help one the rest also wants it.

[2:00 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Yup if you can’t innovate to survive and depends on government to help. Then it’s on your own. Given rent had given enough help for the whole last year.

[2:01 pm, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: https://youtu.be/3YzOGvIGaX8

[2:03 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Some will say if these businesses pivot to F&B, existing F&B will have to compete but from what I know, it's just simple finger food for now and also back to my logic, some of those loyal patrons of whatever night businesses will definitely do what they can to support the businesses one, even if they can't sing or dance or whatever, and can only eat 

But of course there'll be those who will have absolutely no choice but to close shop, it's survival of the fittest, everyone wants to survive, but we all know not everyone will

[2:06 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Say this again. Carrot and stick.

Stop entry to certain places for those without vaccines (eg wedding venues, seminars, IT show, place with mass gathering)

Reward those who get vaccinated maybe a voucher for those who completed 2nd dose and tested antigen for covid.

My 2.14 cents

[2:07 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Wah, just customised sticker one. I thought Megan will be holding a big stick instead. Lol

[2:07 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Like that if drawn to the logical conclusion will be forced vaccination

[2:07 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Hold u down and inject u

[2:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Make vaccination mandatory with jail time for those who refuse

[2:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: You that new meh LOL this sticker's inspiration prolly came from this group 

Last time got a lot of bells one LOL

[2:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: I first time see....

[2:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Fulgrim: Slippery slope leh. Imo

[2:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: No la 

Is more like how everyone likes free stuff so incentivise lor

[2:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Good old days when this group close prematurely because of an interesting and intense fight HAHAHA

[2:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: Ya man that was DA BOMB!

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: yes this

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: 🤣

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: two members were kicked out

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: transferred

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: would be a better word

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Lol I actually saved every Megan sticker

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: same bro lol

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Lai

[2:10 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: special REACH stickers

[2:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Bell no need lah hor 😂

[2:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +Phyllis: @REACH Singapore you got yourself a FAN!

[2:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Megan need a cane or whip one

[2:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: 🤭

[2:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: SUGAR CANE

[2:13 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Eh but @Alvin on your point of restricting access to those large scale events hor 

What if suay suay someone wants to attend, but not his/her turn to kena stab yet? 

Also a bit of a grey area hor

[2:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: yes so it should only be implemented after it's widely available for all

[2:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: hence you do the reward first

[2:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: eg i offer you vaccine if you guai guai take 2 doses and antigen test good you get voucher

[2:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: ppl will brag about that which will get more ppl interested to vax

[2:16 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: From what I know, some mobility events that are scheduled to take place here in SG will start in June I think 

So maybe around then?

[2:19 pm, 01/02/2021] +Anne: Thanks for sharing. 

Actually if you were here a few months back we have already shared similar concerns with the G, and they were also mindful of our feedback, that’s why they set up a panel of experts to evaluate the safety and efficacy of the Covid 19 vaccines, and also did not go for mandatory vaccination.

This is a REACH chat group and a means for us to feedback to the G our concerns. Most people however seems to have mistaken this to be a social club and start imposing rules on what you can and cannot share. In this chat group only the T&Cs set out by REACH matters. The additional rules set out by the other members don’t matter. So, feel free to share your concerns with our G. Also, this is social media. You do not need to engage with anybody who is …

[2:23 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: To add on, the approach by Ben is much better than that by the Jun Yu guy 

G2 has had countless times when people shared fake news without even reading it first so you also have to understand why some are so hostile 

Though I must say there hasn't been any formal request (or directive) by the REACH admins to remove any posts for quite sometime now as compared to in the past so hopefully that's a sign that MCI is much more open to feedback, of a different style than before now 

And yes, @Anne, maybellrejoice has been with us for quite a long time now, I recognise the name :)

[2:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: Might be unfair to those who haven't been offered a vaccine, or do you mean once Gov declares all citizens have been vaccinated other than those who declined?

[2:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Yes this

[2:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: But reward first

[2:27 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: You take you got voucher

[2:28 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Now the only thing is if have complications

[2:28 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ben: That might attract a different sort of member...

[2:28 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: MOH cannot say no evidence before investigation

[2:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: This will kill confidence that we will be covered for by the gov if the vaccine causes any ill side effects

[2:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: I hate widesweeping statements

[2:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: I wanna focus more on this 

Insurance is one thing, but what about other forms of support like emotional?

[2:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Just say we are investigating

[2:29 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Don’t say no evidence

[2:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Of cos no evidence if you don’t investigate lah

[2:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Yass, must learn to be vague at the correct time

[2:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Who’s the spokesman for MOH need to learn the basics

[2:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: This will create fear and hesitation

[2:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: For taking the vaccine

[2:32 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Is it Kenneth Mak?

[2:32 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: When you craft the message to public it must be we take this very seriously and will investigate to make sure no such issue or if it’s unrelated we will also reveal to public. We will care for all sg who have taken the vaccine rest assured.

[2:33 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: That should be the tone

[2:33 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Anything short of that pls throw the script back to the PR team

[2:53 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Bill introduced to make clear TraceTogether, SafeEntry data can be used to look into only 7 categories of serious offences https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions-to-safeguard-personal-contact-tracing-data-will-override-all-other?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[2:53 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Singapore will have capacity to get population vaccinated against Covid-19 by Q3 2021, but may take longer to do so https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/singapore-will-have-capacity-to-get-population-vaccinated-against-covid-19-by-q3?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[2:54 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Over 155,000 have received first Covid-19 vaccine dose; no increased risk of death for seniors https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-more-than-155000-people-have-received-first-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[2:55 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Four who had severe allergic reactions from Covid-19 vaccine have recovered, none needed ICU support https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/four-who-had-severe-allergic-reactions-from-covid-19-vaccines-have-recovered-none-needed?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[3:00 pm, 01/02/2021] +maybellrejoice1: Yes thank you so much for having an open mind.

Am concerned as the vaccine was produced in such a short time & the virus has now mutated into different strains.

[3:00 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus such timely information on the effect of vaccines on elderly is important to reassure the public that the vaccines are safe.

Public have to be very careful about disinformation websites publishing fake news and information.

Disinformation is a asymmetric warfare employ by many unscrupulous politicians and groups to sow unrest and confusions - to achieve their heinous political objectives.

Lately being Trump and their conspiracy groups.

[3:01 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: And your concerns are totally valid! I just think people shouldn't hentum those who have doubts about the vaccines as anti-vaxxers straight away 

Honestly everyone is entitled to their fears and concerns because of the expedited development of the vaccines

[3:01 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: 👍🏻

[3:01 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: We all have similar concerns... I myself don’t want to be vaccinated.

But for work no choice 😭

As much as possible, too many information out there not everyone is expert in knowing information are right. So as much as possible we find credible source.

[3:03 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: I personally am not certain of it myself either 

But I think if there's at least one person who's willing to, this person could convince us or something? 

Apart from Alvin's incentive idea, this would be like the peer support part of it

[3:03 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: The more MOH is transparent with the vaccine and its side effects the less ppl will turn to fake news

[3:04 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: The thing is are they open about the information? Or they scare will create public panic and hinder the vaccination process?

[3:04 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Yes this

[3:04 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: But I rather they be honest

[3:05 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Cause like everywhere any death related to covid vaccine is news worthy and will be smear all over the world

[3:05 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: When ppl turn to fake news it will impede not just vaccination but a whole lot of other issues

[3:05 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: I am sure there will be a few mishaps, but how much will cause the vaccination process to be halted no one will know

[3:06 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Mmhmm, lesser of two evils

[3:07 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: And during this period pls dun let our leaders speak to private group talk about “xiasuay” things.

[3:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Lol ccs actually was quite frank

[3:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Tbh I'm on CCS' side on that but y'know how easily people can twist words 🤷‍♂️

[3:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: Just that people didn’t honor the deal of having privilege information and discussion

[3:08 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Yes this

[3:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Don’t brag to others our leaders lead the vaccination

[3:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Now the big priority on communication is to restore confidence

[3:09 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: By taking it themselves etc

[3:12 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: It's something every nation strives to do but tbh it has no effect on the common hooman like you and me 

So I'd rather have a different approach, through peers 

Something like "eh bro, come we go together" or "EH BAE" hahaha you get it lah, I want to focus on the peer aspect, rather than a top-down approach like what Alvin said about showing leaders getting jabbed themselves (which I reiterate again, really doesn't have much effect)

[3:14 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Three issues actually 

1) Get all Singaporeans on board to get vax 

2) Get everyone to still use a mask even after vaxed

3) Taking care those who can’t get vax eg kids elderly pregnant ladies etc

[3:15 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Someone need to come out with a strategy for all three holistically

[3:16 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: No one is safe until everyone is safe

[3:17 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: 1) Peer support!! 

2) Insist that being vaccinated doesn't make one totally immune, let alone immortal cuz it's immoral 

3) Insurance enough? Let's not forget my emotional support point 

And I typed in pointers too, yikes

[3:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: 🤭

[3:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: For 3, yes need emotional and community support

[3:23 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Hell yes, support. We need support. Peer and emotional! One's an encouragement, another's an assurance

[3:23 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Cos those not vaccinated will be surrounded by those who did and no one knows if the virus could survive even inside a vaccinated host or not

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: So you could be vaccinated and yet a host for the virus at the same time

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Which makes it worse

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: So let's assume it would, and continue our mask-wearing, personal hygiene and social responsibility

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Yes so 2 is about this

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Vax already doesn’t mean no need mask

[3:24 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Better start drilling that inside our skulls right now

[3:25 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Otherwise ppl might just ignore masks after getting vaxed

[3:25 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: Hence my 3 part problems

[3:50 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: People who need to travel have to wait turn to be vaccinated for COVID-19: MOH

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vaccination-priority-singapore-travel-parliament-14086080

[4:00 pm, 01/02/2021] +Ken: https://www.facebook.com/93889432933/posts/10158069362102934/?d=n

[4:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: [Sent by Gov.sg – 1 Feb]

As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed no new cases of locally transmitted COVID-19 infection. 

There are 29 imported cases, who had already been placed on Stay-Home Notice upon arrival in Singapore. 

MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.

go.gov.sg/moh010221update

[5:13 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/how-singapore-picked-its-covid-19-vaccines         

How Singapore pick our covid-19 vaccines. 4 types available in the market - mRNA, viral vector, inactivated virus and protein sub-unit vaccines.

[5:16 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nursing home residents in Singapore start to receive Covid-19 vaccine

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/nursing-homes-in-singapore-start-vaccinating-residents

[6:02 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: S'pore must balance stewardship of green spaces with land constraints: Desmond Lee https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/spore-must-balance-stewardship-of-green-spaces-with-land-constraints-desmond-lee?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[6:20 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/proposed-restrictions-to-safeguard-personal-contact-tracing-data-will-override-all-other

[6:20 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: An excellent move

[6:21 pm, 01/02/2021] +Caleb: heard some fb commented that, the doc did not do any check

[6:21 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Lol you out of touch ah just now REACH already sent that in

[6:21 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: Oops haha.. thanks for the update

[6:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: Embarrassed 😳

[6:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: 😏

[6:22 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Hahahaha it's okayy

[6:30 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: This my 2.14 cents it came from UN or WHO

[6:31 pm, 01/02/2021] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If anyone feel there is a need for a doctor to review their case, I believe one can ask for the service in the vaccination center.

[6:32 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: Yeah my senior friend did. She got her jan and all is good

[6:33 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: To be safe, we have to assume we aren't, so we can continue our vigilance to maintain the safety

[6:39 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: 👍🏻 well said

[7:11 pm, 01/02/2021] +An fan: Are we close to developing our own vaccine yet?

[7:12 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: 🗣 #ICYMI: 01 Feb 2021 👇🏼👀

👉🏼 Bill introduced to make clear TraceTogether, SafeEntry data can be used to look into only 7 types of serious crimes: https://str.sg/JKyt

👉🏼 All polyclinics to offer COVID-19 vaccination from Feb 1: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/all-polyclinics-to-offer-covid-19-vaccination-from-feb-1-14086236

👉🏼 Gender identity issues 'bitterly contested sources of division'; Singapore 'should not import these culture wars': Lawrence Wong: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moe-gender-identity-issues-gender-dysphoria-culture-wars-14086710 

👉🏼 Public consultation on Dover Forest to be extended: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/dover-forest-public-consultation-extended-ulu-pandan-hdb-14086646

[7:13 pm, 01/02/2021] +An fan: Remember we have something like vaccines work for 56 days

[7:31 pm, 01/02/2021] +Alvin: 🤔

[7:34 pm, 01/02/2021] +jimmy chew: I heard test kit on saliva. Never heard about vaccine. Do we have the expertise?

[7:34 pm, 01/02/2021] +Rama: Hopefully

[7:35 pm, 01/02/2021] +Rama: It could be quietly being looked into.

[7:36 pm, 01/02/2021] +Rama: We already managed to produce our own mask filters.

[7:55 pm, 01/02/2021] +REACH: Singapore to launch multi-ministry Green Plan to tackle climate change challenges

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-green-plan-climate-change-sustainability-goals-14088522

[8:00 pm, 01/02/2021] +Nats: Got this paid survey conducted by Institute of Water Policy mention about paying towards such a change 

Their disclaimer is of course that it's only their conjecture and gahmen didn't approve it or whatever though it's quite indicative of what future plans will be like 

They had a few scenarios, adapt now (costing more but with a really low risk of flooding) or adapt over 40 years (costing less but with the risk of flooding higher) 

It was an interesting survey

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