REACH 175 - View on Vaccination (SK)

11 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

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[0:13 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Dear contributors,

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[0:14 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢 

With not one, not two, but three Covid-19 vaccines applying for emergency use authorisation across the globe, and several others in clinical trials, including a home-grown vaccine candidate, Singapore can be sure it will not have to put all its eggs in one basket to keep its people safe from the coronavirus. And it may also not have too long to wait. 

Health Minister Gan Kim Yong has said Singapore will work towards "securing a portfolio" of Covid-19 vaccines to cater to different segments of the population. 

💬 What are your views on COVID-19 vaccines possibly being rolled out in Singapore in the near future? 

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/1st-singaporean-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-london

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sciencetalk-choosing-singapores-covid-19-vaccines

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-air-cargo-hub-covid-19-vaccines-changi-airport-caas-13725180

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/no-need-to-rely-on-one-covid-19-vaccine-0

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/hsa-already-reviewing-covid-19-vaccine-data-submitted-by-moderna

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[0:15 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Good afternoon Megan 😊😊😊

[0:19 pm, 11/12/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/world-economic-forum-to-be-held-in-singapore-in-may

I hope gov will not be in a rush for vaccine to prepare for this World Economic Forum.

[0:21 pm, 11/12/2020] +: The suitability of safe vaccine for the selected population,  considering the Pfizer issue.

[0:27 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I wonder how they gonna control

[0:27 pm, 11/12/2020] +: This is actually interesting, cause even if the BTO are cheaper due to the location food and services will still be more expensive.

[0:31 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Actually, what lay people like us feels or think doesnt really matter, unless we do not have faith in our health experts here.

[0:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I don’t.

[0:33 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Same, not because I have anything against them or what but lately gahmen has not been effective at doing whatever they're doing

[0:33 pm, 11/12/2020] +: But to put it very bluntly, when the vaccine finally comes along, there are always options to get vaccinated (assuming they are like common flu vaccination)

[0:34 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 我很nice的

[0:35 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I don't think the government will pass a draconian bill and make it mandatory, yet

[0:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: My BFF gave this feedback:

[0:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Merck takes distance;  you don't want to embark on a possible genocide.

 Ken Frazier, CEO of the world's leading vaccine producer, the pharmaceutical company Merck & Co., in an interview with Professor Tsedal Neeley, from Harvard Business School, recalled that the fastest vaccine ever brought to market was medicine.  from Merck against mumps, it took about four years!

 - Merck's vaccine for Ebola took five and a half years and was only approved in Europe this month.

 - The tuberculosis vaccine took 13 years! Rotavirus 15 years!  and chickenpox 28 years !.

 - Frazier explained that the vaccine development process takes a long time because it requires rigorous scientific evaluation.  In the case of Covid, "we don't even understand the virus itself or how t…

[0:44 pm, 11/12/2020] +: As much as it's good news, I don't want them to rush it. Quality study takes time, and you don't know what might've been missed when things are getting rushed through

[0:45 pm, 11/12/2020] +: https://youtu.be/x9wn633vl_c

Just like this spiderman drawing. We're currently working in that 10sec frame

[0:48 pm, 11/12/2020] +: All the adverse reactions start coming out, not during any clinical trials, but actual rollout.

Someone once suggested we let other countries implement first then we decide. This was a very good suggestion. 

For now our masks and SD are our best vaccines.

UK issues anaphylaxis warning on Pfizer vaccine after adverse reactions 

https://www.todayonline.com/node/9825341

[0:53 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Potential COVID-19 antibody drug made by Singapore firm to be tested on 1,305 local, overseas patients

A potential COVID-19 antibody drug developed by a Singapore-based company will be tested on 1,305 infected patients locally and abroad, in what would be its final trial before it can be approved for treatment in Singapore.

The biotechnology firm Tychan said on Friday (Dec 11) that it had received approval from the Health Sciences Authority (HSA) in October to begin Phase 3 of the clinical trial for its monoclonal antibody called TY027.

The antibody could slow down the progression of COVID-19 in patients, help them recover faster, and provide temporary protection against the coronavirus.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-drug-singapore-company-antibody-tychan-13749540

[0:55 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 1. Will the Covid19 vaccines be free to all, or at some cost? Who will bear the cost of these shots in Singapore? 

2. Will it be made mandatory, as the efficacy of containment or eradication is predicated on ‘herd immunity’ of the population. 

3. How will the roll-out of the vaccination of the population be done? Will there be prioritisation if vaccine stock is limited? 

4. If the vaccine protection is only for a limited time and revaccination is necessary, how will this be managed in the long term?

[0:56 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Marina Bay Sands theatre to reopen on Dec 18 with live concert featuring Benjamin Kheng, other local artistes

A two-night live concert featuring Sam Willows' Benjamin Kheng and other Singaporean artistes will be held at the Sands Theatre at Marina Bay Sands (MBS) on Dec 18 and 19, with up to 500 people allowed to attend each night.

This is the first performance at the Sands Theatre since it was closed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The two-day pilot concert will also be Singapore's largest live music event since the "circuit breaker", said MBS in a press release.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/concert-mbs-marina-bay-sands-theatre-reopen-benjamin-kheng-13749652

[0:57 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Go there Kheng gai? 🤪

[1:02 pm, 11/12/2020] +: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/tracetogether-take-rate-reaches-more-60-moving-closer-target-set-govt?cid=telegram_tg-single_social-free_26012019_today#.X9L9HlkyJXU.whatsapp

However, student Wee Ern Hao, 24, said that because not all businesses are ready, it would also put off people from using TraceTogether, including those like him who have already downloaded the app or collected the token. “I've been actively using my TraceTogether token ever since I got it, but I end up using SafeEntry half the time,” he said. “Most restaurants and shops, for example, don't have a scanner prominently displayed, so I don’t know if they can indeed scan the token. So I've ended up using the token for entry into malls, and SafeEntry still for shops and restaurants.”

[1:03 pm, 11/12/2020] +: For those vaccines clinical trials, how can we be assured that those who were diagnosed with Covid 19 were correctly diagnosed? I mentioned this before but I think I did not phrase it clearly at that time.

Also, these vaccines that are rushed to market seem to produce too-good-to-be-true results during their clinical trials. Is there a possibility that these results have been faked? If so, do we have the expertise to see through them?

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/explainer-how-often-are-false-positive-covid-19-test-results-and-why-do-they-happen

[1:04 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Vaccines safety is paramount.

2. As long as vaccines are proven to be safe, I have no issues of getting vaccination - to be plan rollout by the government.

[1:04 pm, 11/12/2020] +: IMM was not able to scan my token & had to use safe entry

[1:06 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-uk-warns-people-with-allergies-avoid-pfizer-vaccine-13735176                                                                                                                       UK vaccination - 2 persons with serious allergies got serious side effects from vaccination.

[1:07 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://news.google.com/articles/CBMidGh0dHBzOi8vaW5kaWFuZXhwcmVzcy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS9leHBsYWluZWQvZXhwbGFpbmVkLWhlcmVzLXdoeS12YWNjaW5hdGVkLXBlb3BsZS1zdGlsbC1uZWVkLXRvLXdlYXItYS1tYXNrLTcwOTc2NjMv0gF5aHR0cHM6Ly9pbmRpYW5leHByZXNzLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlL2V4cGxhaW5lZC9leHBsYWluZWQtaGVyZXMtd2h5LXZhY2NpbmF0ZWQtcGVvcGxlLXN0aWxsLW5lZWQtdG8td2Vhci1hLW1hc2stNzA5NzY2My9saXRlLw?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SrG%3Aen

Vaccinated people must still wear mask because the person can still infected with virus load in the nose and infect others.

[1:10 pm, 11/12/2020] +: In Spore we should not rush to be vaccinated , probably Vaccination should take effect until all study is clear .

Can consider

[1:11 pm, 11/12/2020] +: My BFF says if our G makes the jab mandatory she will raise protest, and get her doctor friends to join in as well.

My feisty elderly relative who is 80+ years old has a amazingly healthy body that has never been defiled by vaccines (according to her). She said if our G goes for mandatory vaccination she is ready to go to prison.

[1:15 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Quote from medical experts "Therefore, a person who is vaccinated could become infected and continue to pass the virus on. So therefore to protect the population, we do need both.” - need vaccines, virus treatment and those vaccinated must continue to wear mask.

[1:19 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yup

[1:20 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Anyone think other wise? 

Cause seems like current voice is more wait and see for those currently voice out. 

How about others?

[1:22 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Need to know the percentages also.. but they have advice people with serious allergy to avoid taking the vaccine 

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12968604

[1:24 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I think can roll out like BTO basics. Lol

Those who want it urgently.. choose which one they want

[1:25 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I’m wondering: if vaccines don’t guarantee to work esp don’t guarantee to stop infection from spreading, then jab for what? Risk our health and waste money.

[1:25 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Means either all jab. Or all don't jab

[1:25 pm, 11/12/2020] +: A chance to reduce infection 😅

Just like any vaccine mah

[1:25 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Is masking and SD and SHN/quarantine more than sufficient?

[1:26 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yes but as you know there are many who don’t and like to go gathering at people house lol

[1:26 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Just the spreading chance are lower not none

[1:26 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Jab already still must wear mask and practice SD, and probably gotta jab again some time later, then jab for what?

[1:27 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Jab from getting the virus

[1:27 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Err to make you feel better? In still confident to visitors coming to Sg? 

We want to be a hub we need to recover ASAP.

[1:27 pm, 11/12/2020] +: The virus may have other side effects. Like teeth drop out of nowhere

[1:28 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

We can't expect the population to wear mask and maintain social distancing forever.

We need to stop the chain of transmission and ensure covid no longer can harm human mankind.

Vaccination once proven safe will be needed.

[1:29 pm, 11/12/2020] +: If need to jab regularly then isn’t it like jabbing forever?

[1:29 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Sometimes side effects comes much much later 😅

So wait till G think it is safe enough to mass jab lor

[1:29 pm, 11/12/2020] +: We here also to sound public concern mah

[1:30 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Ya, I’m just asking a very basic question that’s all.

[1:30 pm, 11/12/2020] +: If wearing mask and maintaining social distancing is the best way to preventing the spread of other kinds of diseases Eg common cold or flu, then I'll be happy to carry on with this forever. I mean touchwood, but I haven't caught a cold/flu ever since I started wearing a mask after CNY when covid started happening

[1:30 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Same here.

[1:30 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Don’t think will have CNY visit bah...

[1:30 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Still not there yet

[1:31 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Economy will forever cannot recover if we don't come out from this pandemic.

[1:31 pm, 11/12/2020] +: No as in since CNY this year. So touchwood, 9 months no cough cough sneeze sneeze

[1:31 pm, 11/12/2020] +: There will always be a stronger one every few years. Due to the traveling globally. Virus transmission is just gonna get more common.

[1:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Is how to plan for future to prevent economic standstill

[1:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yep, so even if not corona, masking and distancing is gonna be a way of protecting yourself from picking up other random viruses

[1:34 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

We cannot be permanently physically defeated by the virus.

And worst, we cannot be mentally defeated by the virus.

We need to defeat the virus physically and mentally one day - and emerge stronger.

[1:35 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Wonder how much the world will change after Covid 😅

[1:36 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yes this is a common observation. 

My niece & nephews who were prone to catching flu Pre-covid, have not had flu symptoms for couple of months already.

[1:36 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And vaccines, if proven safe, plus other measures such as treatment - are ways to defeat covid - and emerge victory.

So that human can resume normal lives - and not live like a defeated human species - subject to the threat and slavery by the covid-19.

[1:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: My personal feeling covid won’t be eliminated, we will just live in another way. 

The new normal. Be it we like it or not. As a lot of people in the world won’t have access to covid vaccine that’s a fact.

[1:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yah lor! I'm also one of those who will always kena whenever there's a bug going around the office/school. So I've been quite a happy bird this period

[1:38 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And to further reduce the chances of getting pandemic from animal based virus - we need to change our way of interaction with animals:-

1. Reduce mass slaughtering of animals.

[1:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: To my understanding even TB vaccination which was made compulsory are not effective any more , and is discontinued in schools. 

Is this correct?

[1:39 pm, 11/12/2020] +: One concern I have is this: if a patient sees a doctor for the jab, esp for mRNA vaccines, will the doctor be upfront and inform the patient that the vaccine alters their genes and other potential risks, or will he just say: “This vaccine is proven to be very safe and very effective?”

[1:39 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Buzzword now is "the new normal". Adapt and change, that's the only way forward.

[1:39 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Bizarrely it was known they have serious allergies and carried adrenaline on them. They were nurses, so I put this down to human error not a problem of the vaccine. It's normal to declare allergies because of this potential problem. It was already known the vaccine should not be given to people with severe allergies, like plenty of other medicines.

[1:39 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/08/lab-grown-food-destroy-farming-save-planet

Global climate, pandemic will cause demise in agriculture farming and livestock rearing - but replace by lab grown, plant based and cell culture food production.

[1:39 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Lol May I ask are you vegan? Just to understand your stand point of reduce meat. 

Just curious 😆

[1:40 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nope

[1:40 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Ok 👌

[1:40 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Nor me, but I 100% support the introduction of 'lab-meat'

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/361135?fbclid=IwAR1xWMvCrmr8GbidWradXaFPh96-uRjA1rRh3ZVDMRw-DFnLrrU6i5lCd40

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh?

Trade in water?

Global climate create havoc on food and now water.

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Critical resource

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore do a wonderful job in purifying waste water and sea water into drinking water.

Temasek is also going strong in plant based meat and cell culture meat - as flood, no water, poor soil - will eliminate farming and livestock.

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I second it 😂

As much as possible prefer non process food. Although I do like my nugget 🤣

[1:41 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Err that sentence is very wrong

[1:42 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Cell culture meat 

Need massive water

[1:42 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Create tons of waste

[1:42 pm, 11/12/2020] +: In terms of current technology still not cheap and generate high amount of waste.

[1:43 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

Critical resources like:-

1. Water

2. Farming

3. Food like animals rearing 

- will soon become more and more critical as global climate, pandemic - make farming and livestock rearing become impossible.

[1:43 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Looking at least 20 years down the road to be commercially viable

[1:44 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Oh BTW, vaccine manufacturers will create a lot of lab grown pathogens. If one of these pathogens escape, it will create a brand new pandemic. Does this mean we should stop all vaccine and other related R&D activities that promote the creation of lab grown pathogens? - just thinking out loud

[1:45 pm, 11/12/2020] +: We import meat actually, reduce a lot of stuff. The need to clean up all the waste. The usable parts for food is only so little waste.

We only can produce enough for food security, not to replace, never possible and not possible for low income.

[1:46 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This crisis is human make crisis - global climate that destroy water resources, flooding, fertile soil, animals to human virus etc - will make traditional food source depleted.

Thus lab food could be human reliable food source in the future.

[1:46 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Lol! Sounds like the start of a zombie apocalypse movie!

[1:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: If it's a human-made crisis, no more humans means no more crisis. Problem solved. Thanos was doing good... 😉

[1:48 pm, 11/12/2020] +: More subsidies but do not allow to sell at all unless it is lease buyback scheme or after passing down to next gen after death or so.

[1:48 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Lab grown pathogen are under certain control.

Like requires various condition in order to produce viable pathogen. 

Include

3 vector (dna required to add into a cell for the cell to produce a virus)

Specific cell has to be use to produce the pathogen

Strict protocol in place to ensure destroy after use.

Class 4 lab are under strict strict control. Singapore indicate we don’t have any lol..

[1:49 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Ya true also

[1:49 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Many many protocol in place, but then again if a person want to go rouge no matter how much control also no use. But we are train enough to know if we release what is the consequences

[1:50 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I think a lot of operators do not have scanners.

[1:50 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Our immigration custom can’t identify virus vector even if people bring into the country as the awareness is not there...

[1:50 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Temasek Holdings has alot of foresight and vision to secure lab grown meat to be our future food source.

Also Singapore government is the first mover in the world to approve lab grown meat.

[1:51 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Simple as bring in with a piece of paper if you guys know how it is brought around the world

[1:52 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/who-covid-19-vaccine-e-certificates-13699640                            

CNA also report on vaccination eCert.

[1:52 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To alert Singapore government, that WHO may push this so that we are ready.

[1:52 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I came across S’pore biotech firm Tychan starts final phase of Covid-19 antibody drug trials - TODAYonline using SGNews https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sgnews.singaporenews

[1:52 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So for those who need to travel overseas, vaccination is mandatory.

[1:54 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Singapore should specialise into this industry, train & create job opportunities for Singaporeans in this field. Can start in schools. 

We have a reputation for Clean & Safe practise standards.

[1:54 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Actually i am thinking how about our own collab vaccine lunar vaccine? Like now no news of last phase trial starting or what..

[1:58 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Excellent explanation of how this new vaccine works,  and why you have no reason to be concerned.

https://qz.com/1944566/what-is-an-mrna-vaccine-and-how-does-it-work/

[1:59 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I'm very happy Singapore has chosen the safest and most reliable vaccine on the market.

[2:00 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Of course nothing is 100% safe, including eating restaurant food, or walking down the street!

[2:01 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 👌

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[2:06 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Singapore to unilaterally lift border restrictions to travellers from Taiwan on Dec 18

Singapore will lift border restrictions for visitors from Taiwan from Dec 18, said the Civil Aviation Authority (CAAS) on Friday (Dec 11).

With immediate effect, travellers can apply for a single-entry Air Travel Pass (ATP) to enter Singapore from next Friday, said CAAS in a news release, adding that they must be in Taiwan for 14 consecutive days before departure.

Upon arrival, visitors will undergo a COVID-19 Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test and if the result is negative, they will be allowed to go about their activities in Singapore without serving a stay-home notice.

As part of the contract tracing process, travellers from Taiwan must download and register for the TraceTogether app on their mobile devices before entering Singapore and keep it activated during their stay. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-open-up-to-travellers-from-taiwan-ong-ye-kung-13750320

[2:10 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Is the T&T monitored to ensure it is active? What is the requirement? Can they turn off their phone? What happens if the battery runs out? OK to announce policies, but we need to understand 1) how it is enforced and 2) what are consequences for breach.

[2:12 pm, 11/12/2020] +: This is the same type as the UK allergy reaction. 

So far is estimate to have a reaction to be 1 in 1 million have allergy reaction to the encapsulation chemical PEG.

[2:15 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Correct, people with severe allergies should not take it.

[2:15 pm, 11/12/2020] +: The method is similar to when we do cell culture transfection to let cell have certain cell expression.

[2:16 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Really depends.. PEG is quite commonly use on most skin care product. So technically most should be fine

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[2:16 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Meeting the challenges of contact tracing head-on

Being part of the fight against COVID-19 was difficult but deeply rewarding, according to senior statistician-turned-contact tracing lead Shanice Teo.

Shanice shares more about how her time as a contact tracer gave her a strong sense of community and pride in being part of the frontline against COVID-19.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/brandstudio/sgtogetherbettertomorrow/meeting-the-challenges-of-contact-tracing-head-on-13716916?cid=adv_t7_paid-MCI_20201211

[2:25 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yes, I meant specific allergies that cause a reaction with this vaccine.

[2:34 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Dear Megan, when will Govt announce the opening of Phase 3? Do you have any idea? Tks.

[2:36 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Reach will not have any idea on phase 3

[2:37 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Reach will not reply to us directly. They are feedback unit.

[2:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Lol they don’t exist.. only feedback what we talk so more related to topic they can feedback better

[3:03 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 'Shame on you': Ho Ching to people who threw masks at service ambassadors:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/shame-you-ho-ching-people-who-threw-masks-service-ambassadors?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[3:03 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Should shame them

[3:04 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Publicly !😡😠😞😟😔

[3:07 pm, 11/12/2020] +: When we reach 70% T&T, as reported in the newspapers.

[3:07 pm, 11/12/2020] +: oh, and low numbers in the community.

[3:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: That’s serious money

[3:36 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Sanofi, GSK delay Covid-19 vaccine as effectiveness falls short https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/sanofi-gsk-delay-covid-19-vaccine-as-effectiveness-falls-short?&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[3:37 pm, 11/12/2020] +: That means it would potentially reach the market in the fourth quarter of 2021 rather than the middle of the year.

😅

[3:43 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 8 new COVID-19 infections in Singapore, including 1 case who lives in a dormitory

Eight new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Friday (Dec 11), said the Ministry of Health (MOH).  

There was one new case of locally transmitted COVID-19 infection. The case resides in a dormitory and there are no new cases in the community, said the health ministry. 

The remaining seven cases were imported. All of them were placed on stay-home notice or isolated upon arrival.

Details about Friday's new cases will be updated later tonight, said MOH. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-dec-11-new-cases-dormitory-local-imported-moh-13748740

[3:49 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Possibly

[3:58 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Is the statement inside lol

[4:00 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Either way,  still a lot of uncertainty

[4:18 pm, 11/12/2020] +: So so far the COVID-19-positive engineer did not infect his family members at all? Including the 12 dining together?

[4:21 pm, 11/12/2020] +: guess so

[4:24 pm, 11/12/2020] +: That case is since 21st nov right? Can we conclude after so many “generations” the COVID-19 virus’ grand grand grand children not that infectious?

[4:28 pm, 11/12/2020] +: ya

[4:28 pm, 11/12/2020] +: now is the Bishan and Yishun case

[4:28 pm, 11/12/2020] +: are they link

[4:29 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Even the dormitory case, so far no news of transmission. Has the virus lost its transmission power?

[4:31 pm, 11/12/2020] +: not sure, about 50% are asymptomatic

[4:31 pm, 11/12/2020] +: based on those reported by MOH

[4:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: and nowadays people are reluctant to see doc for flu symptoms cause need to do swipe test.

[4:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Asymptomatic cases will be reported by MOH, but so far no updates

[4:33 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I mean for the close contacts , they will be tested right?

[4:35 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Preparing for Disease X: Singapore to boost defences against future outbreaks in post-Covid-19 world https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/preparing-for-disease-x-singapore-to-boost-defences-against-future-outbreaks-in?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[4:35 pm, 11/12/2020] +: This also means the symptoms are mild, if any. They feel they do not need to see doctor.

[4:37 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I think we need to continue to educate all on handwashing, basic hygrine to fight with all other viruses.

[4:40 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Yes

[4:41 pm, 11/12/2020] +: maybe put the how to wash hands with soap poster, in all toilet basin mirror.  😬

REACH

[4:41 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 49 cases of fallen windows in the first 11 months of this year

There were 49 cases of fallen windows across Singapore between January and November this year, the Building and Construction Authority (BCA) said in a joint media release with the Housing and Development Board (HDB) on Friday (Dec 11). 

Thirty-two of these involved casement windows, or windows with a side that is hinged to a frame.

The number of cases reported in the first 11 months of this year is not far from the 51 incidents in the whole of 2019.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/fallen-windows-49-cases-2020-bca-hdb-corrosion-maintenance-13750762

[4:42 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Do people even bother? If they don't, it'll be a waste of $$ anyway

[4:42 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I think reminder, helps?

[4:43 pm, 11/12/2020] +: and if not well, see doc and don't go out...

[4:45 pm, 11/12/2020] +: That is bad, 4 cases per month

[4:45 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Check your window is 6.6 and 12.12 right?

[4:45 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Ya no hope phase 3 liao

[4:46 pm, 11/12/2020] +: I say window drop leh

[4:46 pm, 11/12/2020] +: HAHAHA READ LA PAJIAO 😂

[4:46 pm, 11/12/2020] +: CAN YOU READ?!?!?!?!

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: But jokes aside, tomorrow is 12.12

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: People talk about window 

Your brain Windows is shutting down already 😂

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Please remember to check your window

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Dont shop till forget about it

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Shop till you (or your window) drop

[4:47 pm, 11/12/2020] +: ya i typing in my dreams

[5:18 pm, 11/12/2020] +: before I forget

[5:18 pm, 11/12/2020] +: https://www1.bca.gov.sg/docs/default-source/docs-corp-public/window-safety-poster-2020.pdf

REACH

[3:32 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Record $25 billion for research and innovation over next five years to secure Singapore's future

A $25 billion plan charting the country's research landscape was launched on Friday (Dec 11), a critical investment that will help the economy emerge stronger from the shadow of Covid-19, while ensuring the country shores up its defences against future threats.

Among the plans is a national effort to help Singapore respond nimbly to future infectious diseases.

The pandemic has accelerated technological trends and structural changes that will reshape the global economy, and throw up new challenges for societies, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat at a press conference to lay out the Research, Innovation and Enterprise (RIE) 2025 plan.

More: https://str.sg/JacP

[5:25 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Look at the breadth and depth of the R&D the research fund is covering - it will help Singapore to be competitive in the whole spectrum of our industries which is good for our long term development of our economy.

2. Considering we are facing budget pressure - the continuing commitment of such a big R&D fund is far sighted and visionary.

3. Just wonder did we do r&d in chips making - that are powering computers, smartphone, 5G, military equipment, AI, satellites and other high technologies. Just wondering...

[5:54 pm, 11/12/2020] +: With ToS, will places such as train stations provide barcode scanner to scan TT token?

[5:54 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Nat, got ask our dear LTA?

[5:56 pm, 11/12/2020] +: https://support.safeentry.gov.sg/hc/en-us/articles/900003291566-What-does-TraceTogether-only-SafeEntry-mean-to-the-venues-required-to-implement-it-

[5:56 pm, 11/12/2020] +: So far no news but can see they're preparing TTSE

Rama

[6:00 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Taxes will have to be adjusted upwards and gst increase to delayed indefinitely

[6:06 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

 R&D are investment and not expenditure.

If R&D are successful, it can translate into substantial GDP.

Rama

[6:08 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Mitigation needed in between

[6:18 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. 

1. Applied R&D - Singtel and Grab win digital banking.

Thus both need to do  R&D on fintech solutions to do digital banking - worth billion of dollars.

2. Basic R&D - eg. Local drug firm do R&D to develop covid vaccine and treatment - a billion dollar business that can sell locally and globally.

Caleb

[6:20 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Digital banking need R&D

[6:20 pm, 11/12/2020] +: ?

Alvin

[6:24 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Rights and Disclaimers perhaps? 🤔

[6:27 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Fintech.

Blockchain.

[6:29 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: And data analytics.

[6:30 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://ledgerinsights.com/jp-morgan-in-digital-currency-payments-venture-with-dbs-bank-temasek/

[6:30 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Eg. JP Morgan and DBS - in fintech r&d.

Caleb

[6:34 pm, 11/12/2020] +: 👍🏻

[6:35 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Bearing in mind, there are no physical bank branches to do banking services.

Only online digital banking - deposit, loans, risk assessment, credit analysis, data analytics, insurance, etc.

Caleb

[6:36 pm, 11/12/2020] +: Means hawkers and all need to accept cashless payment

[6:37 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

So all future transactions - need to re-develop.

Need applied R&D how to do it conveniently and securely.

Rama

[6:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: They are still reluctant having being repeatedly duped by customers

Caleb

[6:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: This one they need to check on their own terminal

[6:38 pm, 11/12/2020] +: China learnt

[6:39 pm, 11/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

That's why banks need to rethink and convince customers and hawkers.

Eg. Print receipt if successful - not only show terminal.

Blue and White Flag Guy

[6:39 pm, 11/12/2020] +: This one the technology is there, but the human (logic and safeguard) isn't there

REACH

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REACH 174 - Royal Caribbean cruise ship infection (SK)

09 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

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[10:10 am, 09/12/2020] +: Royal Caribbean cruise ship returns to S'pore after passenger tests positive for Covid-19

Royal Caribbean cruise ship Quantum of the Seas arrived in Singapore on Wednesday (Dec 9) after turning back on day three of a four-day cruise to nowhere due to a confirmed Covid-19 case on board.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/suspected-covid-19-case-on-royal-caribbean-cruise-to-nowhere-ship-returns-to-singapore-mid

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[11:08 am, 09/12/2020] +: LAI MEGAN 

We worried how come those not in close contact still can balik 

Cannot say let them mix around then after 14 days then check back ma 

Later 一发不可收拾 how?

[11:11 am, 09/12/2020] +: Agree, why take the risk leh...

[11:11 am, 09/12/2020] +: UPDATE: Royal Caribbean passengers who were not in close contact with the Covid-19 case can leave the ship when disembarking starts. 

They can proceed with their usual activities but will have to take a swab test at the end of a 14-day monitoring period, says MOH. https://str.sg/JakG

Stay in the know:

https://t.me/TheStraitsTimes

[11:12 am, 09/12/2020] +: Once again, MOH is SLOW in communication

[11:12 am, 09/12/2020] +: Gov.sg no communication

[11:12 am, 09/12/2020] +: I hope gahmen revises its internal policy of relying on MSM to disseminate information 

If not, what is gov.sg for?

[11:13 am, 09/12/2020] +: MOH need to reach MCI. then MCI pass down

[11:13 am, 09/12/2020] +: 🤣

[11:13 am, 09/12/2020] +: hmmm think there are protocols have been established beforehand, and emergency response plans have been activated?

[11:14 am, 09/12/2020] +: Even so, those are just so-called adequate measures 

It should've been stricter

[11:14 am, 09/12/2020] +: I agree as well. There’s too much risk involved.

[11:15 am, 09/12/2020] +: stricter in what way?

[11:15 am, 09/12/2020] +: Is MOH contact trace the person activities before boarding the ship?

[11:16 am, 09/12/2020] +: Like testing them ALL before letting them disembark, regardless of whether they were in close contact with the infected person

[11:16 am, 09/12/2020] +: They should at least implement all much have TT app or token.

[11:16 am, 09/12/2020] +: or not

[11:16 am, 09/12/2020] +: This is a very interesting test case to see the testing, contact tracing works. The ship represent a smaller version of close community.

[11:17 am, 09/12/2020] +: Do they have SE for different sections onboard the cruise? 

After all it's like a mini city onboard

[11:17 am, 09/12/2020] +: Government should be very transparent on what happened in the ship, the safety procedure taken

+left

[11:18 am, 09/12/2020] +: On one hand, govt's messages to the public has been to take Covid seriously. How does this gel with MOH's permissibility that the rest of the cruise passengers can go about their normal activities after disembarking - despite precedences that enclosed space allow Covid to spread fast, it may not be realistic that people practice real social distancing in a cruise ship, and infected Covid humans may not immediately show symptoms. What's the trade-off here?

[11:24 am, 09/12/2020] +: Trade off is as much as possible back to normal if not many industries will just no long exist. Transport hub we have to have people traveling here

[11:25 am, 09/12/2020] +: I guess the ship is like a building.

[11:26 am, 09/12/2020] +: I think the trade-off points to how MOH handles the situation, rather than why we had the cruise in the first place 

I understand it's needed to boost the economy so now we want to know why MOH's stance is let them go back and self-monitor

[11:26 am, 09/12/2020] +: I dont disagree with you. I think there is a moral hazzard issue in this case. I go play. Get Covid. Pass to you who have been staying safe. Who pays for your medical?

[11:26 am, 09/12/2020] +: So only those in the same shop or fnb need to be on SHN?

[11:26 am, 09/12/2020] +: But soul garden reopen the following day after cleaning

[11:26 am, 09/12/2020] +: Agreed. What is the policy i.e. how would this situation be handled is important.

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: "Pandemic safety measures include pre-boarding testing for passengers. Mask wearing is mandatory and passengers must have the Trace Together mobile application or token on their person at all times."

Based on article, have leh

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: I mean for the next 14 days when they roam around in Sg

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: What's the topic ah

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: Yup!

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: i see

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: The Cruise case

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: The Cruise case

[11:27 am, 09/12/2020] +: Ya ah dw them later pa pa zao everywhere

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: I think MOH guidelines of SHN is close contact of at least 30 mins

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: Posted from REACH?

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: This is likely another potential explosion case like the past dorm situation. Plus those who are on board the cruise were tested beforehand and thought that they were all free from covid, so pretty sure all were complacent and not entirely following SMM measures.

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: Hahaha did you happen to type the same thing with the same capitalisation 😂

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: So waiter don't have close contact.

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: The next 14 days will be crucial

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: Yes, think they understand we are all very anxious about this

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: 😆

[11:28 am, 09/12/2020] +: The thing is this is not gonna end... even with vaccine. Just face the fact. It will be like any other flu.

[11:29 am, 09/12/2020] +: We don't have social distancing requirements with flu!

[11:29 am, 09/12/2020] +: With teeth drop out of nowhere. Lol

[11:29 am, 09/12/2020] +: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/health/covid-teeth-falling-out.html

[11:29 am, 09/12/2020] +: Actually some auto have hahaha 

A-CHOO! Even before COVID, everyone siam you 😂

[11:34 am, 09/12/2020] +: MOH got no press release. https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/

[11:35 am, 09/12/2020] +: The infected pax haven't take the serology test. 

 Could be a past infection ya

[11:47 am, 09/12/2020] +: I'm not sure, but isn't one of the pre-trip tests a serology test? I think there are 2, one to be taken 3 days before and one at the point of boarding. I had the impression the one to be taken 3 days prior include serology

[11:48 am, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't know how stringent they do SafeEntry and tracetogether on the ship - to determine close contact.

If there are slippage and some close contact are not identified, then infection could spread.

[11:50 am, 09/12/2020] +: IMHO, the other passengers shouldn't be allowed to disembark freely. At the very least, there should be a SHN of at least 5 days just so that we don't run the risk of community spread. Just because there's no close contact and everyone wearing masks doesn't mean they can't pick up the virus through surfaces and touching their masks/faces.

[11:51 am, 09/12/2020] +: Yes! By now a bit too late to contain already 

Sadly this is another case of gahmen never think properly

[11:53 am, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also the infected person may visit toilet,  eat and drink, touch other surfaces.

Wonder how stringent and thoroughness is the disinfection process?

[11:53 am, 09/12/2020] +: Need to pick up next incoming group for the cruise. Important the risk is reduced

[11:57 am, 09/12/2020] +: So the message is "go out, do whatever you want, as long as you're not deemed a close contact, you won't kena the troublesome SHN." What kind of message is this for the rest of us who are proceeding with caution and choosing to suppress our own wanderlust for the greater good? Are we supposed to throw that caution to the wind and just go since garmen say never mind?

[0:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Even if not close contact, Covid is known to stay on surfaces, which can be passively picked up on the ship

[0:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: ‘Definitely I’ll go again’: Some Royal Caribbean passengers say no regrets going on cruise that was cut short by COVID-19 case

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-royal-caribbean-cruise-passengers-positive-test-13732850

Eh seriously........

[0:05 pm, 09/12/2020] +: "No regrets": this is the kind of mentality that we can't encourage. It's essentially saying high risk high return. Even if your first bet failed and someone onboard kena, you can still bet on not being listed as close contact. Why are we encouraging this kind of punters' mentality omg...

[0:05 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Outbreak of salmonella and stomach flu at Newton pre-school, 3 kids hospitalised:: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/outbreak-salmonella-and-stomach-flu-newton-pre-school-3-kids-hospitalised?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

[0:06 pm, 09/12/2020] +: agree

[0:12 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thought it will be safer if all are tested before releasing them into the community.

[0:18 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Oh, and it's reported that the passengers allowed to disembark will be contacted for testing 1 week later and it seems that the testing fees will be borne by the State? Why should taxpayers have to bear the cost?

[0:20 pm, 09/12/2020] +: All of the passengers were wearing contact tracing wrist bands so they know who came into contact and who did not.

[0:25 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Royal Caribbean’s Quantum of the Seas is still set to sail on Dec 10, the company says. This is after a COVID-19 patient was detected on board today and the cruise had to return to Singapore ahead of schedule.

These are the measures it’s undertaking to keep passengers and crew safe: https://cna.asia/2K0wTxg

[0:28 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Odd, were there tests being  done daily on board, or were they still waiting for results when the boat disembarked?

[0:30 pm, 09/12/2020] +: True, seems they are scared of putting people off going on cruises...

[0:31 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Except 10 time more deadly and 100 times more infectious?

[0:33 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Agreed. Shd test b4 let them disembark. Like that no shn etc.. Wabder ard.. Later firm cruise community

[0:35 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Yeah.

[0:35 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Are they...?

[0:36 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Common surfaces. Like that a lot of close contact..

[0:37 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Seems really odd not to test and do a SHN until results are goven

[0:37 pm, 09/12/2020] +: *given

REACH

[0:37 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢 

Singapore can play a critical role in distributing vaccines to the region as an air cargo hub, said the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) and Changi Airport Group (CAG) on Tuesday (Dec 8). 

“We are able to handle not only vaccine shipments to Singapore for our own needs, but also transshipments to Singapore for distribution to the rest of the region.”

💬 What do you think of Singapore’s move to position itself as a hub to distribute COVID-19 vaccines to the region?

The airport authority highlighted that the airport’s cargo handlers, dnata and SATS, have been investing in cold chain infrastructure and equipment over the years to support transportation of temperature-controlled cargo.

Vaccines require cold chain transportation as some of them need to be kept at specific temperatures. It ensures that the vaccines will remain unspoilt as they get from where they are being manufactured to where they will be administered - hospitals and clinics.

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-air-cargo-hub-covid-19-vaccines-changi-airport-caas-13725180

[0:40 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Now still can turn back anot? 

Why wait till potentially spread then test? Who's genius idea?

[0:40 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Right move to give our aviation hub a boost and stamp our status around the world.

[0:42 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Then for those who blindly follow gahmen one my word to you is, don't 

We have our own brains to think, that's why we have countless things to give feedback about 

Sometimes gahmen also blindsided but that's where we come in and comment and put them back on track 🚇

[0:44 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I think cleaners got high risk of getting covid-19. Based on so many cases in SG already. 

Maybe this group should get vaccine first, after healthcare workers got it.

[0:44 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Clever turnaround

[0:51 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Yes: "Each guest will be provided with a wearable device that allows rapid tracing in the event it is necessary."

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/sgp/en/faq/questions/how-does-contact-tracing-work

[0:52 pm, 09/12/2020] +: No change in school fees for Singaporeans, PRs and ASEAN students next year: MOE https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/no-change-school-fees-singaporeans-prs-asean-students-moe-13733168#.X9BXwNqhMBo.whatsapp

[0:53 pm, 09/12/2020] +: But what is the point of having tracing in that case?

If person tests positive for Covid, do we close every lift, bus, MRT that they have touched in the proceeding few days? Or test everyone who has subsequently travelled in/on that lift, bus, MRT?  No.  Because we have contact tracing apps and wrist-bands to avoid that.

[0:54 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Ahem

[0:54 pm, 09/12/2020] +: This cruise is isolated environment 

You can't just compare that to PT

[0:54 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Is a chance thing... you can’t just clean up everywhere the person walk pass lol

[0:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: ??

[0:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: So is MRT and bus

[0:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Nope

[0:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: This cruise isn't as typical as a mode of journey as PT is

[0:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Does this help? https://www.royalcaribbean.com/sgp/en/faq/questions/how-is-air-circulated-and-filtered-onboard

[0:59 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 👌👏

[1:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Don't is two words.

[1:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I wasn't referring to air circulation

[1:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Don't try to be funny

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: On the topic of surface contamination, there are sprays out there that coats the surfacr

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: sdst

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I think the ship interiors should be coated with them

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Sdst pro*

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: No need so exact with the name anyway

[1:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Sdst is the weaker version

[1:03 pm, 09/12/2020] +: But my opinion ah

[1:04 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Goverbment can try to coat the whole country, but if individuals dont practise good personal hygiene, it is still useless

[1:12 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Easy to read comparison between the 4 main vaccines. I note that singapore choice, Moderna, is nearly SG$90 per person, but likely the most effective.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55212787

[1:19 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. SIA have good track record of transporting and distributing vaccines that requires very stringent temperature control at very low temperature.

2. Very few other airlines have such cap.

3. Thus SIA role in transporting and distributing vaccines via Changi airport from US and EU to other parts of the world - will reinforce Singapore Changi airport as a irreplaceable airhub.

4. This may ramp up our cargo freight many fold as we are waiting for passengers travel to pick up.

[1:20 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

With no domestic air travel, vaccines distribution will help to mitigate our lost in international travelling.

[1:26 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. This cruise infection is not something unexpected- as we open up slowly and carefully for cruise business - to keep the tourism sector going.

2. However, when unfortunate event such as this infection occur, stringent procedure that are put in place must be activated to arrest the infection and prevent it from spreading.

3. When this is done, and we are confident that infection can be arrested and prevent from spreading to the community, we must continue to open up the cruise carefully and ensure all safeguard are put in place.

[1:30 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Singapore’s potential to perform this well & within safety standards is highly recognised.

[1:31 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Balancing public health and ensuring economic activities - is a fine balancing act - to ensure public safety while ensuring people continue to have business and jobs.

With all the experience, knowledge and technology in controlling the pandemic behind us, we can put them into good use - to balance public health and economic activities.

This will have to go on - until mass vaccination starts.

I feel that we can achieve this.

[1:31 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Transference of virus can still occur over different surfaces on the cruise ship. Everyone on board should be suspected covid patient.

[1:35 pm, 09/12/2020] +: how about soul garden case? those in there at the same period did not get SHN.

[1:35 pm, 09/12/2020] +: the cleaners and workers in the mal, were not tested or on SHN too

[1:41 pm, 09/12/2020] +: No news about tat one liao is it

[1:51 pm, 09/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/in-covid-19-milestone-for-west--britain-starts-mass-vaccination-13726444                                                                                                                        UK is the 1st in the World to start mass vaccination (outside trial).

[2:04 pm, 09/12/2020] +: - Women must not breastfeed or get pregnant for 2 months after immunization 

- Children, pregnant and breastfeeding mothers should not be immunized 

- Effects on fertility are unknown.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-no-breastfeeding-getting-pregnant.html

[2:06 pm, 09/12/2020] +: On LIFESG app

[2:07 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Till date no reply or change being made on the app.

[2:07 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I hope is a mistake in puting the wrong url. And not staff who misunderstood.

[2:08 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Thanks for sharing!

[2:14 pm, 09/12/2020] +: School fees unchanged for S'poreans, PRs next year; small rise for non-Asean foreign students

The Ministry of Education (MOE) said on Wednesday (Dec 9) it will not be making any changes to school fees for Singapore citizens, permanent residents and students from Asean.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/school-fees-unchanged-for-spore-citizens-prs-next-year-small-rise-for

[2:16 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Err off topic

[2:20 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 2 Billion Doses in 2021, will vaccinate 1 billion people. Far short of the 5 billion+ required for Herd Immunity. Likely to need to wear masks until full vaccination is complete. So, let's plan for 3 years more of this across the world, BUT if Singapore can complete vaccinations next year (200,000 jabs per week required) then maybe 2022 will start to look different.

[2:22 pm, 09/12/2020] +: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html?amp

I wonder if we also did the same for getting it so fast?

[2:28 pm, 09/12/2020] +: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/royal-caribbean-covid-19-case-not-unexpected-chan-chun-sing-13733690

[2:28 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Well done. 👍

[2:39 pm, 09/12/2020] +: In the US, all vaccine manufacturers are exempted from legal action. Any vaccine injuries the injured party has to sue the government.

In Singapore, Sanofi Pasteur withheld safety information for Dengvaxia and was never prosecuted by our G. Instead, HSA scientists (paid for by taxpayers) have to help them amend the package insert.

[2:39 pm, 09/12/2020] +: we are expecting up to 30 cases per day

[2:40 pm, 09/12/2020] +: ?

[2:45 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 😱😨 no legal protection for citizens!?

[2:46 pm, 09/12/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/dont-get-hung-up-over-when-phase-3-will-happen

Singaporeans have already been warned to be mentally prepared that the number of community cases will rise - possibly up to the 30s - when measures are eased further.

[2:49 pm, 09/12/2020] +: The citizens have to sue the government coz their government indemnify the vaccine manufacturers. They have to prove that the injury or death is caused by the vaccine. The court cases can go on for years. Only a minority won their cases.

[2:50 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Big pHARMa 😬

[3:05 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I believe if u choose to vaccinate yourself w this new vacine, before u hv it, you may be asked to sign a consent form to waive them for any possible liabilities.

[3:08 pm, 09/12/2020] +: It is similar to taking part in some dangerous sports. As this mement, we all know that the approval of these vacines r fast track. It may or may not work, it may or may not hv side effects. U just hv to keep your fingers crossed😜 if u want to try it.

[3:14 pm, 09/12/2020] +: So meaning since these Covid 19 vaccines are fast tracked and have no long term safety record, our G and employers have no right to enforce mandatory vaccinations on us?

[3:17 pm, 09/12/2020] +: What about the mandatory vaccines all of us have to take during our childhood? If someone in a rare case gets injured or killed, who is liable? Also, when parents of children or adults go for vaccination, are they truly given sufficient information for them to give informed consent, or are they just told: “It is safe!”

[3:18 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I will wait for one more year before thinking of taking this COVID-19 vaccine.

[3:21 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 😞😟😔

[3:21 pm, 09/12/2020] +: It depends on whether one injury or death was attributed solely to the vaccine or if there was any human negligence involved in the administration

[3:22 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Unless there are agreements with all countries that we can travel freely with any market Covid-19 vaccines. Then I will think about taking one with most successful rate 6 months later or at least 1/5 of the population take vaccines.

[3:30 pm, 09/12/2020] +: If injury or death is solely due to the vaccine? Who is liable? Or are we just the collateral damage with no party liable?

[3:35 pm, 09/12/2020] +: It depends on your cause of action. If it's negligence, then it's a question whether the pharma company was negligent in the development of the vaccine or whether they've done everything reasonably expected, but just so happened that the person vaccinated fell within that tiny percentage where things went horribly wrong. There's also the issue of how the vaccine was administered. Was there a medical condition known to the patient/parents and the attending physician where the vaccine shouldn't have been administered to this class of patients and if so, the liability shouldn't fall to the pharma company but to the physician or even on the patient or parents for not informing the physician of the known condition

[3:36 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Singapore Flyer launches Time Capsule attraction

The Singapore Flyer on Wednesday (Deb 9) unveiled its new Time Capsule attraction, aimed at providing visitors a "multi-sensory journey" of Singapore’s 700-year history.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-flyer-time-capsule-attraction-robot-13733984

[3:36 pm, 09/12/2020] +: On TraceTogether-only SafeEntry, when gov is going to start communicating to Building owners on this?

[3:37 pm, 09/12/2020] +: better start now

[3:37 pm, 09/12/2020] +: and not few days before going to implement it

[3:43 pm, 09/12/2020] +: So if the patient is healthy and has no known medical condition and is one of the rare ones that suffer injury or death and the vaccine manufacturer has done everything according to peocedure, the patient is simply a collateral damage? Even in cases of mandatory vaccination or the doctor simply says “it is very safe” and did not show the patient the package insert? For the “it is very safe” cases, the doctor can simply get away with “oh, this injury or death case is so rare, I’ve never encountered it before.”

[3:47 pm, 09/12/2020] +: In a case like Dengvaxia where the manufacturer withheld safety information, why was it not prosecuted? Do we have to wait for an actual injury to occur before we take action? Or can any action be taken at all?

[4:08 pm, 09/12/2020] +: From what I know if the Dengvaxia issue, the risks were uncovered by the manufacturer after a longer period of study and research and the risks were updated accordingly. I'm not sure what liability you're seeking here for a company which is seeking continued research, or are you proposing that vaccines should be rolled out only after a very extended period of study and guaranteed 100% safe for everybody and for any medical condition, known or unknown.

[4:12 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Dengvaxia was rolled out to Philippines and a few children became very ill and some of them died. After that Sanofi Pasteur announced that the vaccine can only be used for those who already had dengue before. After Singapore heard the news, some doctors were so shocked they refused to use the vaccines after that. HSA then ‘helped’ Sanofi Pasteur to update the package insert with the new information. So Sanofi Pasteur in this case did not withhold information?!?

[4:39 pm, 09/12/2020] +: There is no way to know all the risks associated with any drug or vaccine. There are certain segments of the population who will react badly to them. That is why we have long term drug safety surveillance. HSA has the mandate to take drug safety data Ave update package inserts. It's not a favour to the drug companies it is for doctors and patients to be able to make informed decisions regarding risks and benefits.

[4:43 pm, 09/12/2020] +: The point of vaccine now is to ensure we are safe. But if you don’t travel often I really don’t think we need just wear mask and maintain hygiene.

I would wait till it is more stable or when higher population have taken over a long period of time for such a rush up vaccine

[4:44 pm, 09/12/2020] +: All drugs and vaccine have risk is just how often the side effects presented itself then the benefit of vaccination against the disease. 

So unless mandatory I think I will hold for a while and just keep social contact minimum

[4:46 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Dengvaxis is not in the list of National Adult Immunisation Schedule 👍

https://www.healthhub.sg/programmes/163/vaccinate?utm_source=google&utm_medium=sem&utm_campaign=fy20-immunisation-campaign&utm_content=generic&gclid=CjwKCAiAiML-BRAAEiwAuWVggj4IJmwKWUrpvPIpe2LAwduKPZMgbm4ly9yNZQ0Sw1530wkvmrOuNBoC_jEQAvD_BwE

[4:50 pm, 09/12/2020] +: hope Gov will allow us to use medisave for COVID-19 vaccine

[4:52 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Top public servant in statutory board acquitted of 5 molest charges against colleagues, convicted of one https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/public-servant-statutory-board-molest-charges-13734388#.X9CQU8YBSfM.whatsapp

[4:54 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 67 still working should be quite high up

[4:58 pm, 09/12/2020] +: In the case of Dengvaxia, were the patients given the necessary information to make informed decision? No. Were the doctors provided with necessary information to give the correct recommendation to the patient? No. 

When the vaccinated children became ill with dengue and some children died, Sanofi very quickly made the announcement that the vaccine should only be dosed to those who had already contracted with dengue before. This is not the result of manufacturer doesn’t know what’s wrong, or the manufacturer over time has more data to adjust changes. In this case they knew about it and withheld the information.

I’m asking in this case of deliberately withholding information from HSA and the doctors, should the drug companies be held liable, even when we ar…

[5:02 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Yup

[5:05 pm, 09/12/2020] +: https://mothership.sg/2020/12/nus-new-bacteria-sewage-treatment/

[5:16 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Just to be clear- no one died from the vaccine. They died from symptoms related to dengue and other underlying conditions. It was a political and PR issue - dengvaxia still remains approved in all the developed countries. There was no hiding of phase 3 clinical trial data - that is available to all regulators who choose to approve a vaccine. Again, side effects are often not known post clinical trials until the drug or vaccine are deployed in the larger population. Once these rare adverse events are known, the approvals/inserts/risks are adjusted accordingly. You should still consider that vaccine if you've gotten dengue once before. The risks of the vaccine could outweigh risks of multiple dengue infections especially if you are older etc. 

Same for montel…

[5:26 pm, 09/12/2020] +: No one died from Dengvaxia? Wrong. Some children in Philippines died. That’s why some doctors here have decided not to use the vaccine at all. A friend of mine had dengue twice. Her doctor informed her about the vaccine. To her surprise, her doctor REFUSED to recommend her the jab. My friend, after doing some research, said that Dengvaxia is a very dangerous vaccine, and said her doctor is a very good doctor and did right by refusing to recommend the vaccine to her.

As for Singulair, I brought it up since you mentioned the ‘long term drug safety surveillance’, where a doctor dismissed a patient feedback and claimed the drug is ‘very safe’. If doctors dismiss patient or parent feedback on side effects, how useful is this surveillance? What is the disciplinary action for doctors who dismiss such feedback?

[5:39 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Yes children who got the vaccine died. But it wasn't the vaccine that killed them. It was other underlying conditions and poverty. What is being investigated is whether dengvaxia can prime the immune system for a stronger response to the dengue virus. That can happen for several viruses and that risk needs to be broadly publicized. Just for context more than 800K people have been vaccinated with Dengvaxia. 600 represents a small fraction and causality of death is not confirmed. Hence the vaccine is still approved in all developed countries with high level of safety data requirements including US and EU. 

It's the bad need that get magnified and get firmly lodged in people's psyche.

[5:45 pm, 09/12/2020] +: 6 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore, all imported

There were six new coronavirus cases confirmed as of Wednesday noon (Dec 9), taking Singapore's total to 58,291.

All six were imported cases who had been placed on stay-home notices on arrival in Singapore, said the Ministry of Health (MOH).

There were no cases from worker's dormitories and none in the community.

More: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/6-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-all-imported

[5:46 pm, 09/12/2020] +: how come the one in cruise, not counted as local community ccase?

[5:53 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Technically he wasn't in Singapore when he tested positive maybe?  Or maybe considered imported.

[5:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Hello is cruise to nowhere

[5:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: orh

[5:56 pm, 09/12/2020] +: thought they make it like a extension of Sg

[6:06 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I hope MOH will contact trace few days before the pax board the ship to monitor their health.

[6:07 pm, 09/12/2020] +: it’s probably still considered a suspect case until the case is fully tested? idk the news all still say suspected

[6:07 pm, 09/12/2020] +: although other reporting say got

[6:10 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Wow. Imagine don't have

[6:11 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Then all the inconveniences

[6:14 pm, 09/12/2020] +: I agree, let the early adopters be the testers, when more stable then can take, since they say the next big virus will happen 6 months time

[6:17 pm, 09/12/2020] +: when he went on board, he was tested negative, only when he had diarrhea, it's the ship's protocol to test for C19 for anyone who visits the ship's clinic. Now we know if you have you diarrhea may have C19 🥵

[6:29 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Those on board the royal Caribbean shd be placed on 14 day shn immediately after they return back to their homes. Why still allow them to go on their usual activities? Some may be asymptomatic.

[6:32 pm, 09/12/2020] +: For future cruises, I understand that they need to do test for Covid 2 days before they board, but will they be required to do the test before they disembark?

[6:52 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Dear Contributors!

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[7:00 pm, 09/12/2020] +: Dear Contributors,

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 Straits Times

S'pore, China to discuss collaboration on public health, economic rejuvenation at high-level meeting

Linette Lai

Political Correspondent

7 Dec 2020

In response, Mr Heng brought up *China's new "dual circulation" strategy*, which envisions a new economic development strategy relying less on global integration and more on expanding domestic commerce*.

*Singapore, as a regional hub for trade, finance and logistics, can be a key partner in China's "external circulation", he said*.

He also reiterated his earlier point on enhancing connectivity, including financial connectivity. As China's share of the global gross domestic product grows, there will be greater use of the renminbi for portfolio and direct investments into China, Mr Heng said.

"Today, Singapore is among the top three offshore RMB (renminbi) centres in the world. We should build on this, to deepen capital market linkages and financial flows."

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[12:01 pm, 02/11/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

31 Oct 2020

(1) China new economic strategy for the next 5 years - will come with the main theme which comprise of 2 tracks :-

(a) External circulation

(b) Internal circulation

(2) As China is facing increasingly difficult business environment due to Trump strong pressure to squeeze China out of trade (through trade war), technology (through tech sanctions of China tech companies) and finance (by sanctioning the finances of Chinese officials through the SWIFT US dollar system) ---- China has coin 2 tracks system --- namely "dual circulation" for its next 5 years new economic strategy.

(3) China is looking at :-

Creating a 2nd track - known as "Internal circulation" - to boost its Economy - & to mitigate and cushion the external pressure its faces from Trump 3 prong attack on China's :-

a. external trade and supply chain, 

b. tech sanctions by cutting out China tech business from US market and the world market as well as restrict US tech resources from being used by and to be sold to China tech firms

c. financial sanctions on China top officials.

(4) China "Internal circulation" predominantly focus on 3 tracks :-

a. Ramping up internal massive domestic consumption from its large domestic markets.

b. Ramp up its R&D - notably by reinventing the whole supply chain of semi-conductor industries to create its own chips instead of relying on US chips developed, design by US tech. as well as pushing forward its R&D edge in 5G, AI, quantum tech, etc.

c. Create its new digital currency or digital yuan known as DCEP (Digital Currency Electronic Payment) and wrench itself out of US Dollar Swift system in Global financial system.

Effectively, China will have created a bifurcation strategy - independent of US ecocnomic orbit, technology spaces and financial sytem.

What opportunities can Singapore seize from China's new economic strategy and the 2nd Global bifurcated system?

1. *Continue to cooperate with China in trade, business, investment, travel etc through its "External Circulation".*

2. Work with China to tap and integrate with its new "Internal circulation" that aim to tap on its huge domestic market to boost Economic growth.

a. Singapore have joint venture with China in building many Eco-cities and industrial parks.

b. Singapore have the largest investment in China with many local companies investing in many provinces in China.

c. Singapore investors in China should be able to seize the 3 tracks in China's new"Internal circulation" and increase its business revenue and profits. This will be a big opportunities for Singapore firms invested in China - as China domestic market is a "huge market".

d. Importantly Singapore business must be able to :-

i. Sell to its large domestic consumers.

ii. Value-add to the high-tech industries that China is expending great effort to create.

iii. Participate and seamlessly integrate with China DCEP digital yuan and continue *to strengthen Singapore as yuan currency exchange through offshore yuan trading hub as well as operating as gateway between China financial system as well as the World financial system through SWIFT*.

3. When the covid pandemic blow over, Singapore will be poised to emerge stronger economically and seize the opportunities offer by China's economic shift.

a. To cruise again in US bifurcated Economic System

b. To jumpstart our integration with China bifurcated Economic System

REACH 173 - Pre-Budget feedback (SK)

07 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

REACH

[10:49 am, 07/12/2020] +: Dear contributors,

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[11:18 am, 07/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢 

Singapore heads into the new year with a record Budget deficit, the Government will have to be prudent in spending and make every dollar count, even as it saves jobs and keeps the economy afloat.

💬 What are your views on and suggestions for the upcoming Budget 2021? Share your views and feedback here: https://www.reach.gov.sg/participate/budget-2021

This year, close to $100 billion was dedicated to Covid-19 support measures over four Budgets - drawing up to $52 billion from the reserves, and leaving a hole of around $74 billion in the state coffers.

But going forward, the focus must now be on how to emerge stronger from Covid-19 despite limited resources, said Minister Indranee on Dec 2.

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/need-to-be-prudent-make-every-dollar-count-in-planning-budget-2021-indranee

+changed this group's settings to allow all participants to send messages to this group.

[11:18 am, 07/12/2020] +: Wow open liao

[11:18 am, 07/12/2020] +: See I wasn't wrong, it was indeed for Bajet 👀

[11:19 am, 07/12/2020] +: 🤭

[11:19 am, 07/12/2020] +: But jet impt mah

[11:20 am, 07/12/2020] +: Ya JETBI considerably important but later Megan be like

[11:20 am, 07/12/2020] +: Isn't the full budget released in Feb?

[11:20 am, 07/12/2020] +: You ask me I ask who

[11:20 am, 07/12/2020] +: I got ask you meh you don't kacau 😂

[11:20 am, 07/12/2020] +: Be as prudent as possible across all ministry,  stat boards, government link companies. Ensure adequate taxes are collected along the way.

[11:21 am, 07/12/2020] +: Also should focus on protecting workers' rights... Or create additional forms of legal protection of our poor workers' rights

+65 8751 1508 left

[11:25 am, 07/12/2020] +: @REACH Singapore Hi good morning OG Megan, I want ask you ah, has REACH ever considered doing surveys aimed at those who leave the groups without contributing a single message at all? 

Like is it they are just pure lurkers or this was a format they didn't expect and would like something else? 

I'm sure with such a survey (and possibly some incentives but not for all obviously, since they don't really contribute), we can better understand what's going on

[11:27 am, 07/12/2020] +: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/phase-3-unlikely-by-end-of-year-unless-more-use-tracetogether-experts

[11:29 am, 07/12/2020] +: dear all, please take note that the trace together token (ttt) collection will be delayed to 19/12/2020. please informed resident to scan the QR code at the noticeboard or visit token.gowhere.gov.sg to get the first hand news. Preferably not to get news from hearsay because we do not want resident to be frustrated if there is another delay again. Please spread this awareness around. Thanks!

[11:29 am, 07/12/2020] +: This could be the reason

[11:30 am, 07/12/2020] +: Alot of us are tracing the token collection together. 😜

[11:32 am, 07/12/2020] +: We do check with them though not in a form of a survey. We will look into the that :)

[11:32 am, 07/12/2020] +: We have travel pass for indonesia. Is like travel pass for covid-19 virus.

 I thought the green lane is only for Batam..

[11:33 am, 07/12/2020] +: Hehe ok! 😊

[11:43 am, 07/12/2020] +: The security for this initiative better be damn solid sia. Otherwise once anything is compromised, that's it. Everything will be exposed.

[11:46 am, 07/12/2020] +: The Singapore government has been prudent for decades so far and built up a substantial reserve. However, this reserve is not infinite. On the other hand, it was for emergencies such as this global pandemic where countries everywhere are affected economically, and I dare say for a small country like ours, we are doing better than most because of the reserves we have previously amassed. Once the emergency has passed it would be time to rebuild the reserves and build it back better so that Singapore will be better prepared and more resilient in the future.

[11:47 am, 07/12/2020] +: That's needless to say, question is how do we execute it without making it too hard on those who are already struggling to survive

[11:48 am, 07/12/2020] +: Depending on the market situation then, I think the new grads would be feeling most vulnerable. The job offers may not meet their expected salary, and that's even assuming that there are jobs available to begin with. The SG United internship programmes are great, but have to remember that these are for a 1 year tenure and markets may not see a similar recovery even in May. So it may be worth considering whether the scheme should be extended albeit at a lower subsidy for the companies?

[11:49 am, 07/12/2020] +: On this, the new grads can definitely set their bars lower if their expected salary isn't borderline what they need to survive but something discretionary 

Everyone is suffering out there so it's of course hard to find a high-paying job

[11:53 am, 07/12/2020] +: Not say expecting a crazy high pay lah, but some companies are taking the chance to lowball like offering diploma entry pay to degree grad. It's the "you need a job what, if you hungry and desperate enough you'll take". But that sets the tone for your next salary cos even though Ministry already say companies shouldn't ask for last drawn salary and employees not legally obliged to give, reality is that this is still being done and if employees don't disclose, they don't get the job.

[11:54 am, 07/12/2020] +: Mmm of course they shouldn't exploit also but it could still be both sides are just like each other (one expect high salary, one is just out there to exploit)

[0:05 pm, 07/12/2020] +: There are actually a lot of demands in tech sectors. The problem is there are a lot of mismatch in the market now.

[0:05 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Agreed

[0:08 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Use budget to boost business, income and create jobs - so as to help to rebuild our Economy and rebuild our reserves.

2. External economy, trade make up the largest share of our economy pie. (3 times the size of our GDP).

Focusing our budget to boost our external economy will be the right focus.

3. Every Ministries setup business engagement unit to help the respective industry transform, go digital, make use of FTA, to expand oversea - will be the best way to reboot our economy.

[0:10 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/who-covid-19-vaccine-e-certificates-13699640              

CNA report on vaccination eCert.

To alert Singapore government, that WHO may push this so that we are ready.

[0:16 pm, 07/12/2020] +: 1. How can we continue to develop close international relationships with other countries in spite of COVID-19?

Continue our bilateral relationship and trade with other nations. We must be open for new opportunities and deals. Share processes and work together to curb the spread of covid. Every nation in the world will have to do their part and we can help them as well as collaborate where possible. All countries also face same issues (infection rates, cabin fever, economy, tourism woes, etc) we can use that as basis for collaboration on how to overcome these challenges.

2. How can we turn the COVID-19 crisis into an opportunity for Singapore?

Have mentioned this before, we must be ready to expand and to welcome new opportunities and venture out as well during this crisis period. Our knowledge, processes and standards are top notch, we could provide support for local companies who are venturing into ASEAN or regional countries by putting them into a local association or giving them a platform to set up their base over there.

3. How can we encourage greater digital adoption amongst those who are hesitant to use technology, such as the elderly?

There's a saying "you can lead a donkey to water but you can't force the ass to drink". All we can do is have the outreach, support and help for elderly to adopt new technology. If they don't wish to, we can't force them. Don't "nag" at them as well as some elderlies are stubborn and will be even more against the idea if you constantly "remind" them to use new technology. Instead, make it such that the new technology have fun things that they would like, maybe some ktv app with old songs or something. Once they start to get "addicted" they will be well on their way to using the new technology.

Still got too many questions, I'll see if I have spare time later. Going to be a busy month though so might not hear from me much. As always, my 2.14 cents.

[0:22 pm, 07/12/2020] +: 1. All have to adjust their expectations. 

2. Assist poor nations with subsidies,  trainint, delivery and implementation.

[0:23 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The reason why individual Ministries setup each business engagement unit is because - the respective Ministries know their industries best. 

They know the respective global supply chain, vendors, partners etc.

Eg. Mincom understand IT better.

MND understand construction better.

SFA understand food better.

MoT understand transport better.

And so on.

EDB, IE Singapore can provide the catalyst, information, tie up etc while the respective Ministries can do deep overseas and domestic deep engagement with their respective industry.

[0:27 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Respective Ministries form the vertical engagement.

2. EDB, IE Singapore do the horizontal engagement.

3. Respective industry association will do deep engagement with the respective Ministries business engagement unit - to expand their business overseas and can do meaningful transformation of their business working hand in hand.

[0:33 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus next year budget should focus on:-

1. setting up individual Ministries business engagement unit,

2. building every industries capabilities,

3. Transform individual industries eg going digital.

4. Train workers in transform jobs.

5. build overseas ties and new business partners and grow domestic business to expand overseas

6. Grow economic pie and rebuild our reserves.

To emerge stronger.

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[10:27 am, 07/12/2020] +: Under one roof: Users able to view financial data from bank, government accounts on single platform

For those with multiple bank accounts, logging on to numerous platforms for updates and drawing up financial spreadsheets can now be a thing of the past.

This is made possible with the launch of the Singapore Financial Data Exchange (SGFinDex) on Monday (Dec 7), a digital infrastructure that rides on the national digital identity system SingPass. 

SGFinDex is a joint initiative by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) and the Smart Nation and Digital Government Group (SNDGG) in collaboration with the financial sector. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-view-financial-data-bank-government-sgfindex-mas-13715898

[1:10 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Support this initiative as it will help individuals manage and grow their personal finance.

But data security become all the more important.

Imagine if hackers also can see an individual finances all in one view?

Hackers could in one big sweep - hack the person wealth in one big fall and the person become bankrupt.

Rama

[1:10 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Food for thought!?

Ben

[1:12 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Except you cannot transact on this platform, it's a viewer only. Seems quite safe really.

[1:13 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Yes, particularly point 2.

Blue and White Flag Guy

[1:13 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Paid surveys have already been mentioning about such consolidated platforms to view all your transactions in one place but that's not to say people won't move towards a consolidated transaction platform either

[1:13 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If hackers view it and can see how much each individual worth - then it becomes dangerous.

Ben

[1:14 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Sure, but you can't become bankrupt from having it. Surely all online banking is more vulnerable then?

[1:14 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Just not sure what your point is - advising against online banking?

[1:15 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Agree. 

That's why IT security become vitally important.

Ben

[1:15 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Ok, glad you made that clear :)

[1:15 pm, 07/12/2020] +: I think we all know online banking should be secure :)

[1:16 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Incorrect statements scaring people about becoming bankruptcy in one sweep using online services is not very helpful!

[1:21 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. If a group of hackers in one view see the person have shares, bank deposit, insurance, etc.

If the state hackers manage to crack the singpass through phishing or scam or trick the individual to reveal its login credentials - will form dedicated hacker groups to hack shares, insurance, bank deposit one shot to clear it.

[1:22 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because it is one single sign-on using single id, password and OTP.

Rama

[1:23 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Will 2FA help or not!?

Blue and White Flag Guy

[1:23 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Yes, if you understand what 2FA is for and don't share OTP codes with other people as banks keep reminding everyone to

[1:24 pm, 07/12/2020] +: But 2FA is not an excuse to have a weak password - it's better to have 2 strong doors than 1 strong door and 1 weak door

Rama

[1:24 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Agree

[1:24 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

2fa help but if Hackers manage to download malware into the handphone, then only multiple fa is safer.

[1:30 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. A malware if download into a handphone, can be a keylogger.

1. If type password, userid, it will capture the key stroke.

2. If OTP landed on the same handphone, the malware will also capture the OTP.

3. Then hackers can make use of the capture credentials to steal bank deposit, shares, insurance etc one shot and then say bye bye.

Poh S Lim

[1:31 pm, 07/12/2020] +: The other problem would be Denial of Service attacks (DDOS) or hijacking the portal through malware (Ransomware), which would freeze commercial/ consumer transactions. I hope these portals are robust enough to deter these attacks.

Rama

[1:32 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Only the relevant authorities can advise.

Poh S Lim

[1:36 pm, 07/12/2020] +: It is an ever present threat that can hamper the adoption of a more digitalised banking system.

Rama

[1:37 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Hoping ABS, CSA and MAS can advise further.

Poh S Lim

[1:38 pm, 07/12/2020] +: I’m wondering if China’s WeChat payment system ever got attacked and stopped their payment services? Their history on this could be helpful since China’s online payment system has been around much longer

Blue and White Flag Guy

[1:39 pm, 07/12/2020] +: I doubt anyone will want to release such information 

There are probably countless attempts at our systems regardless of size but as gahmen doesn't want mass panic (or PR disaster), keep it low

[1:39 pm, 07/12/2020] +: As in low profile

Sam

[2:05 pm, 07/12/2020] +: This is good for the deceased family to find out how much is the estate value. Often, deceased family don't even know how many bank account and investment account a person owned.

Blue and White Flag Guy

[2:05 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Interesting perspective! Though there should still be certain security measures in place so you know, only those who should know, know

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[2:37 pm, 07/12/2020] +: NEX cinema ventilation duct collapse due to accumulated water, overloaded brackets: BCA

The Building and Construction Authority (BCA) said a “significant amount of water” had accumulated in the layers of acoustic material surrounding the air-conditioning and mechanical ventilation duct. This was caused by “unforeseen excessive condensation”, it said.

The weight of the water eventually overloaded the brackets supporting the air-conditioning and mechanical ventilation duct, causing them to give way.

After the incident, BCA said it instructed NEX to appoint a professional engineer to carry out an investigation and to recommend rectification measures. 

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/nex-shaw-cinema-ventilation-duct-collapse-water-bracket-overload-13716728

[2:38 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Perhaps connected to CPF bereavement account?

[2:38 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Important lesson learnt - hope this becomes a mandatory check on all such units, every 6 months or whenever required.

[2:40 pm, 07/12/2020] +: So did this occur within PM window? Cuz if it did then the PM window has to be shrunk. Otherwise, it's the usual "oh the company did not perform PM" conclusion

[2:42 pm, 07/12/2020] +: what's PM?

[2:42 pm, 07/12/2020] +: progressive maintenance?

[2:42 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Preventive

[2:42 pm, 07/12/2020] +: oh, my bad

[2:53 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Usually for ventilation duct, people in this industry tend to overlook for PM, to be very honest

[2:54 pm, 07/12/2020] +: AC/MV maintenance generally only check on the fan and/or compressor unit, I've never seen people climbing or scoping into the ducts before

[2:55 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Then that means they need to change their scope of maintenance

[2:55 pm, 07/12/2020] +: but those are my observations for residential properties, commercials might have a different way of maintaining them

[3:00 pm, 07/12/2020] +: 👍

[3:06 pm, 07/12/2020] +: wait how the heck does so much water accumulate up there and doesn't leak down? no one notice it sagging downwards or anything?

[3:24 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Cinema staff won't bother, even if they do, they're not trained to spot that as a defect

[3:24 pm, 07/12/2020] +: I'll go with the second

[3:24 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Just like most of us, as a layman, when we go shopping malls, we also don't look up down left right at the pipings and equipments

[3:25 pm, 07/12/2020] +: or an example closer to us, how many of us actually observe if the lift car is level when the door is open

[3:26 pm, 07/12/2020] +: it's supposed to be level, or +/- 5mm gap

[3:26 pm, 07/12/2020] +: I'm more amazed that so much water can accumuldate there without leaking down

[3:26 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Ehm I do 

But count me out, I'm used to the horizontal version aka train stopping 😂

[3:26 pm, 07/12/2020] +: air tightnsma

[3:26 pm, 07/12/2020] +: it's supposed to be air tight, if not the pressure won't be there

[3:28 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Cinema so dark. May need touch light to shine on the ceiling to see.

[3:28 pm, 07/12/2020] +: There could be fasle ceiling too

[3:28 pm, 07/12/2020] +: i do

[3:29 pm, 07/12/2020] +: i look at hdb ground floor pipings too

[3:29 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Translate to my domain 

Which of you all even look at what I look at right 🚍🚇 👀

[3:29 pm, 07/12/2020] +: i also do this, there was once the door didn't flush with the landing

[3:29 pm, 07/12/2020] +: 🤭

[3:30 pm, 07/12/2020] +: choo choo

[3:31 pm, 07/12/2020] +: But at the end of the day it's learning from all these lor

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[3:31 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Singapore reports 13 new COVID-19 cases, all imported

Thirteen new COVID-19 cases were reported in Singapore as of noon on Monday (Dec 7), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its daily preliminary update.

No new cases were found in the community and in foreign workers' dormitories.

The new cases are all imported and all 13 were placed on stay-home notice or isolated upon their arrival in Singapore, said the ministry. 

Details of the new cases will be released on Monday night, said the health ministry.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-dec-7-imported-no-community-local-moh-13715900

[5:37 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/philip-jeyaretnam-appointed-supreme-court-judicial-commissioner-13717676

Ex opposition son appointment in supreme court.

[5:40 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Appointment by merits not political affiliation.

Inclusiveness.

Good!

Dong Liang

[5:42 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Regardless of race, languages or who your father is...

Rama

[5:46 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Let's see him square off with Kenneth!

Dong Liang

[5:47 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Apples do fall from trees..

[6:00 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

As civil servant, he will have to be impartial, fair and just in carrying out his duties - and most important, he is expected to be political neutral.

Rama

[6:03 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Or to avoid conflict of interest like lucien wong, not to get involved!

[6:04 pm, 07/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes. If it involves conflict of interest.

CQ

[6:16 pm, 07/12/2020] +: By that logic, anyone who has any affiliation with oppo whether direct or indirect through family members, or by any extension, "not incumbent-aligned" cannot be SC or judge. Can't be right....?

Regardless who it is, lawyers have to recognise where a conflict of interest may arise and recuse themselves if they're ever in that position. Especially as a judge, it's not enough that justice is done but justice must also be seen to be done. I trust that Philip Jeyaratnam knows where the lines are, he's a very seasoned litigator and very well respected in the industry.

Rama

[6:18 pm, 07/12/2020] +: Being a senior counsel and former head of the law society, carries a lot of respect.

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Lab-grown chicken to be sold in Singapore after 'world's first' approval for cultured meat

By Rachel Phua

@RachelPhuaCNA

02 Dec 2020 08:00AM

(Updated: 02 Dec 2020 11:04PM)

Mr Tetrick said his company is looking to offer the product at a restaurant first before distributing it to the mass market, adding that it will be priced similar to what consumers pay for "premium chicken" at restaurants.

Costs of the cell-based chicken cannot be revealed for intellectual property reasons, he said. But he expects its chicken to be below the prices of its conventional counterpart "in the years ahead".

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[12:17 pm, 11/11/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/beyond-meat-shares-sink-as-wall-street-startled-by-slowing-sales-13509772

Vegan meat not doing well.

[12:17 pm, 11/11/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Should price to appeal to the mass market.

Only then there will be mass demand and hence good revenue.

Vegan meat now price too high and common people cannot afford - thus not a good substitute to real meat.

Not surprising it will not be doing well.

If it reform its pricing strategy, then vegan meat can do well.

High volume at mass market price.

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02 Dec 2020 (11am - 7pm)

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[0:47 pm, 02/12/2020] +: 📢 Topic 📢 

American biotechnology company Moderna has asked the authorities in Singapore to approve the use of its Covid-19 vaccine here. If all goes well, the first batch of vaccines could arrive as early as this month.

💬 What are your views on Singapore's effort to secure a portfolio of COVID-19 vaccines for different segments of the population? 

Last month, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong said Singapore would work on securing a portfolio of Covid-19 vaccines to cater to different segments of the population instead of relying on just one vaccine.

Moderna on Monday applied for emergency use authorisation of its Covid-19 vaccine in the United States, following the release of the full results from its late-stage clinical trial.

The results of the trial, which involved 30,000 people, had shown that the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in preventing Covid-19, and 100 per cent effective at preventing severe disease from the coronavirus.

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moderna-seeking-approval-for-use-of-its-covid-19-vaccine-in-singapore

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/no-need-to-rely-on-one-covid-19-vaccine-0

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Rama

[0:58 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Hope for the best

[1:07 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Will rely on Singapore medical experts to give us the best advice what vaccination plan is best for Singapore population.

[1:08 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Safety is paramount for the vaccination plan.

[1:10 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Especially for elderly or others with pre-existing heath conditions and some on long term medication.

[1:13 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also need to know how many doses or jabs needed, the cost of the vaccination.

[1:15 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And should all go to polyclinic, hospitals, or should it be in CC where medical professionals administer the vaccines?

[1:18 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

WHO say only 20% are superspreader.

If cleverly identified those who are superspreader, then only need to vaccinate 20% and 80% is spare from vaccination.

The problem is how to identify this 20% potential superspreader?

Will AI able to nail down this 20%?

Ben

[1:26 pm, 02/12/2020] +: 👍

Berny

[1:29 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Why everything go CC? They are already overworked like hospital already, TT, singpass, PTV, comcare, and many other stuff that suddenly drop from the sky, on top of their daily job

Ben

[1:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I guess they can bring in people to help, just as they would need people in Poly's, Hospitals etc. Might be good to spread geographically. Need to administer 5m vaccinations!

Berny

[1:57 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I'd assume that you are neither a GRL nor PA(or ex) staff.  It is easy to say PA can mobilise manpower easily but nobody knows how difficult it is to mobilise people during office hours.

[1:58 pm, 02/12/2020] +: They are not like SAF where the top says go, bottom down have to move

Blue and White Flag Guy

[1:58 pm, 02/12/2020] +: But let's look at it from a SAF100 perspective, what can we adopt and adapt?

[2:33 pm, 02/12/2020] +: MediShield Life review 2020: Why are our premiums still increasing in this economic climate?:: https://www.asiaone.com/money/medishield-life-review-2020-why-are-our-premiums-still-increasing-economic-climate?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

Ben

[2:37 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yes, and maybe ask for their help to organise the logisitics?

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[3:28 pm, 02/12/2020] +: 2 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, all imported

Singapore reported two new COVID-19 cases as of noon on Wednesday (Dec 2), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its preliminary daily update.

All the new infections are imported cases and were placed on stay-home notice upon arrival in Singapore.

More details will be released on Wednesday night, said MOH.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-cases-moh-dec-2-imported-community-coronavirus-13681762

[3:43 pm, 02/12/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

Securing vaccines may become a necessary part of borders reopening criteria. 

If countries decide that it will only open up to persons who are vaccinated then we have no choice but to secure and make available the vaccines for persons who need to travel. 

We do not understand why SARs and MERS suddenly limit their spread and died of.

 Covid -19 doesn't seem to show any sign of slowing transmission. 

So the game may become whoever secure vaccines, beat others to re opening, reviving their economies. 

When there is imbalance in the reopening, those countries which are behind will be seriously threaten.

Thankful that gov is placing bets on various budding vaccines. 

As for their efficacy, we need professional experts to read into the trial results and gov to intelligently place our bets to secure the vaccines.

[3:48 pm, 02/12/2020] +: How effective the vaccines we do not know yet. It is too early to tell yet.

[3:48 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yup

[3:49 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Long way... I don’t want to be the test subject... shall wait long long till everyone is ok

[3:50 pm, 02/12/2020] +: True. At the moment, better to have something that is at least 50% effective than nothing. Else businesses will collapse

[3:52 pm, 02/12/2020] +: We do not need to rush for vaccines, as our government controls quite well so far.  Let other countries test first then see if they open borders to each other?

[3:54 pm, 02/12/2020] +: But someone has to be the guinea pig 

It's always the case of sacrificing few for the greater

[3:54 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yup totally agree 😆

[3:54 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Initial vaccinations can be quite mild doses, which is safer, but will require repeating after 3 or 6months. There is a balance as always

[3:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yup totally agree 😆

[3:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: You disguise as Ken sibo

[3:56 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Where got

[3:56 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Err so far we won’t know till they test it... trial as compare to populations wide use is very different..

[3:56 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Lol

[3:56 pm, 02/12/2020] +: We skip some phase to fast track the process

[3:58 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yes, agreed

[4:00 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Securing a portfolio of c-19 vaccines to cater to various segments of the population sounds good on paper, but whether it is practical remains to be seen.

Regarding the clinical trials of Moderna, I can only state that there is insufficient data provided for anyone to make any preliminary judgements on the safety and efficacy of its vaccine.

We have heard of extremely high cases of COVID 19 infections and related deaths in certain countries. Some of us stated that this happened because the people don’t practice SD and wear masks. This may be true. However, the abnormally high figures could also be due to bad testing and bad statistics, like the tests are adjusted in provide lots of false positives, where even a common cold can be diagnosed as a COVID 19 infection, and deaths from other causes are lumped together with deaths from Covid 19. So for Moderna’s clinical trial, how were the COVID 19 tests conducted, and can we be assured that these tests were accurate?

During the trial, out of the 30k healthy participants, half were given the vaccine, half were given the placebo. During this trial of about 4 months, 196 participants were diagnosed with COVID 19. How many mild and how many serious cases we don’t know. This is important as we are not interested in preventing the mild cases but the severe cases. So, we’ll just assume that during these 4 months, 196 previously HEALTHY participants miraculously came down with SEVERE COVID 19. Out of this 196, 185 were in the placebo group and 11 were in the vaccine group. So, how is the 94.5% efficacy calculated? I don’t know, so I just randomly picked some figures and, using the formula 

# in placebo group / total # infected with COVID 19 * 100, which is,

185 / 196 * 100 = 94.38%

Someone kindly correct me if my calculations are wrong.

So, assuming my calculation is correct, this 94.5% efficacy is based, not on 30k volunteers, but on 196 total infected volunteers. In this case is the figure 196 a large enough pool to convince our experts that the vaccine’s efficacy is indeed 94.5%?

My main concern, however, is not these too good to believe figures. Moderna vaccine uses mRNA technology which programs our cells to manufacture the Covid 19 virus or derivatives to stimulate our immune response. This type of cell change is permanent, and any long term side effects will also be permanent. How does this affect our children and future descendents? We do not and will not have any answers for a long time. For this vaccine, the risks far outweigh the benefits for healthy and child bearing individuals.

[4:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Lol mRNA ones not many people know leh.. and don’t scare them later they don’t take

[4:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Wow I'd read this over any other spam anyday

[4:03 pm, 02/12/2020] +: A lot is still not known about mRNA if we alter the gene. The silent ones have any use in our life. 🤷🏻‍♂️

So given a choice i will not take gene altering ones

[4:07 pm, 02/12/2020] +: LifeHacker, the site in my opinion is run by half intel half idiots 

And I came across one of their articles about convincing people to take the vaccine 

I know there'll be anti-vaxxers and all, but right now it's about safety and practicality 

We won't want a vaccine to cause whatever it is we want to fight, backfire and become something worse so it's natural for everyone to put up their defences against something new

[4:09 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Only time will tell... even with the vaccine many country may not able to afford it. 

So we cannot visit those without also.. at 90plus over percent efficiency. Means there are people that can still bring back the virus to our non vaccinated population. 

Hence quarantine protocol will still be in place

[4:09 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Good luck to the tourism industry

[4:10 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I am definitely not a anti vacxxer. My kid just told all those and those that are recommended been on the market for quite awhile.

[4:11 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Took”

[4:14 pm, 02/12/2020] +: SAF NSFs get new load bearing vest that improves heat dissipation, gives better support

The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has rolled out a new load bearing system (LBS) that is better at distributing weight and dissipating heat, allowing soldiers to last longer and fight more effectively on the battlefield.

This comes after the SAF unveiled an LBS prototype in 2017 at the launch of the Centre of Excellence for Soldier Performance (CESP). The prototype had similar qualities but did not come in a pixelated design.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/saf-nsf-new-lbv-load-bearing-vest-reduce-heat-better-support-13682250

[4:34 pm, 02/12/2020] +: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/10/20/researchers-warn-some-covid-19-vaccines-could-increase-risk-of-hiv-infection/?sh=7575d7a23740

Some other study

Berny

[4:38 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Sars and mers died off because the chain of infection got broken, thats what my friend told me

Blue and White Flag Guy

[4:38 pm, 02/12/2020] +: My open friend tell me, is the virus too deadly then no more vectors left to spread the virus lor, for SARS

Berny

[4:39 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Back then we didnt had socially irresponsible people out there, at least not many compared to now

[4:41 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Usually plague disappear for 3 reasons:

1. No more vectors to spread (black plague)

2. Chain of infection broken

3. We started to develop antibody or a vaccine is found

[4:41 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I got all these 3 pointers from Plague. Inc

Blue and White Flag Guy

[4:42 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Orh no ah for SARS consider mine as 1b, spread to limited population and then too deadly so cannot spread anymore 

Not Black Plague type, that one sudah semua mati

Ken

[4:42 pm, 02/12/2020] +: The vector is human now... so nope will not stop

Berny

[4:43 pm, 02/12/2020] +: It will, if it mutate to a more deadly form and start killing quickly

[4:43 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Hope it will not go that direction 🙏

[4:43 pm, 02/12/2020] +: There is still a chance

Kevin

[4:43 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Tiagong from my normal friend say virus too deadly until vaccine cannot be produced.

Berny

[4:44 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Thats why who is rushing for vaccine

[4:44 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Before it mutate further

Ken

[4:44 pm, 02/12/2020] +: No such thing as cannot develop.

But if the virus mutation is high yes then is very hard to make a vaccine for it.

[4:45 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Just like any flu virus that we need to take every few years.. due to the mutation rate.

[4:45 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Flu virus vaccine is based on model to guess what is the next flu that is going to be majority spread then they develop it

REACH

[4:47 pm, 02/12/2020] +: HSA evaluating initial data on COVID-19 vaccine submitted by Moderna for use in Singapore

Moderna has started submitting initial data on its COVID-19 vaccine candidate to the Health Sciences Authority (HSA), as part of the process to evaluate its suitability for use in Singapore.

The biotechnology company “will continue to roll in data as soon as they become available”, as agreed with the authority, said a spokesperson for HSA on Wednesday (Dec 2) in response to queries by CNA.

HSA said it has already started evaluating the available data submitted by Moderna to ensure “expeditious review”.

More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-hsa-initial-data-rolling-review-13684050

[4:54 pm, 02/12/2020] +: The real danger is that some may appear asymptomatic and is living among us

[4:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Is your time is your time lol.. 

really sometimes we can’t choose only can reduce our chance of contact

[4:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Hahaha nice reference 

Maybe we should play that someday hor

[4:55 pm, 02/12/2020] +: But l think we should leave the speculations to the experts

[4:56 pm, 02/12/2020] +: He expert liao hor

[4:57 pm, 02/12/2020] +: ? Just sharing option lol..

[5:00 pm, 02/12/2020] +: The topic is: what are your views on Singapore's effort to secure a portfolio of covid vaccine for different segments of population

[5:01 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I not scolding you or what luh hahaha I legit respecc your position as someone in the Life Sciences industry 

Salute!

[5:01 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Lol I left.. now in plastic. 🤣🤣🤣

[5:01 pm, 02/12/2020] +: But if is another kind of pseudo-expert I need to unleash a sticker

[5:01 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Your experiences still count ma 🤭

[5:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Here have people experience remember some more advance knowledge on this matter

[5:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: U make plastic bags now?

[5:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Lol nope I make plastic raw material

[5:02 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Plastic pellets

[5:03 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I agree with securing different vaccines, while we understand which work better in which cases. The public will want to understand more about the test cases. Age range, racial profile, underlying conditions etc.that is not to be judgemental but to be reassured.

[5:04 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Oh nice!

[5:04 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I thought you moved on to plastic surgery, my bad

[5:04 pm, 02/12/2020] +: What is the SG Gov approach to who should be vaccinated first and what provisions are in place for safety and over what period.

[5:05 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Hahahaha later someone spam him with recycling azenda how 😂

[5:05 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Haha that is medical I not so pro leh.. only chemical engineer

[5:05 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Will the vaccine be chargeable? Who will administer it? Will Moderna provide medical staff for ongoing monitoring, for how long?

[5:06 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Chargeable, pay using medisave

[5:07 pm, 02/12/2020] +: For people who are vaccinated, will they have special privileges regarding travel and social distancing? How will that be managed? Will  that cause division in the community? Will people who are vaccinated resent any restrictions placed on them?

+ left

[5:08 pm, 02/12/2020] +: I think is too early to adopt, and why do we need to adopt at such a early stage. 

There are so many types on the market. The reason for early adoption? We know for sure our neighbors can’t afford them so if we adopt does it mean we can allow people to come in as without checking as our population are majority immunize.

[5:08 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Sure, and who is setting the price? What is the profit margin? Will it be mandatory to be vaccinated?

[5:08 pm, 02/12/2020] +: And we have like 2 mil non citizens are we paying for them as well?

[5:08 pm, 02/12/2020] +: We leave this to the policy maker at later stage

[5:09 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Reopening our borders and our community safely

We are gradually reopening our borders and resuming more activities safely, as we move towards Phase Three.

English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0DunMNncvc

Chinese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlB3FcvLxHo

Malay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzSMXSaEdM

Tamil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR3Fwu19xuM

[5:09 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Sure, I'm not looking for answers now. These are questions I think people will be asking, and the Gov will need answers to reassure people this is a good approach, if they decide to do it

[5:10 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yes, what will be the policy here?

[5:11 pm, 02/12/2020] +: This is a good question. If we were vaccinated by US vaccines, are we allowed to go to China?

[5:11 pm, 02/12/2020] +: If there is mutation and the vaccine need to be updated then what need to be done? Too many why haiz

[5:11 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Agree

[5:13 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Yes, vaccination is good and the right approach. Timing is important because just 1 year in we don't know much about it. Was the testing of the vaccination in the US on the same strain if Covid as we have here in SG?

[5:14 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Not much information on mutation... only at the start they discussed now is like suddenly so quiet ... or maybe I didn’t follow the news enough

[5:39 pm, 02/12/2020] +: One concern is, if there are any deaths or injuries caused by this vaccine, is Moderna responsible? Can we sue Moderna for for compensation? Also, if Moderna is found to have withheld information that is important for safety review, will Moderna be disciplined? I remember in the past, Sanofi Pasteur withheld safety information relating to Dengvaxia vaccine. Our G not only did not discipline them, but HSA scientists (funded by taxpayers money) had to help them re write the package insert for the vaccine.

[6:00 pm, 02/12/2020] +: Thanks for this response. I share the same concerns raised in this post.

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[6:47 pm, 02/12/2020] +: 🙏👏👌👍✋

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