REACH 565 - What are your thoughts on the new ERP 2.0 system? How can we further enhance the convenience and safety of motorists?
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03 May 2024 (10am - 7pm)
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3/5/24, 10:00 am - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢
Motorists can opt to install the processing unit for their next-generation Electronic Road Pricing system (ERP 2.0) on-board equipment in the driver’s footwell, if their vehicle allows it, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA) on May 2.
When the installation exercise started last year, the front passenger’s footwell was recommended as the default placement for the processing unit. There has been feedback that the placement of the unit made it difficult and unsafe for drivers who had to reach for cards lodged there from the driver’s seat.
💬 *What are your thoughts on the new ERP 2.0 system? How can we further enhance the convenience and safety of motorists?*
The next-generation ERP system is based on satellite navigation technology and replaces the outgoing 25-year-old system. When it is fully rolled out, there will be no need to rely on physical gantries to run the ERP system.
The change is among improvements to the ERP on-board unit’s features and installation process rolled out by LTA to address feedback after the units were installed in more than 18,000 vehicles.
The authority said the unit can also be installed in other parts of a vehicle if the car model does not allow for the unit to be installed in either the driver’s or the front passenger’s footwell. This is subject to safety considerations and technical feasibility.
Other changes include:
📌 _*Introduction of a button on the unit’s touchscreen display following safety concerns raised by motorists.*_
Pressing this button allows drivers to deactivate their payment cards in order to use complimentary parking tickets at carpark gantries, without removing their payment cards from the processing unit.
📌 _*NETS will provide a free Motoring Card to all motorists equipped with the new ERP 2.0 unit.*_
This card will allow drivers to conveniently tap for entry or exit at certain private carparks without the need for the Electronic Parking System, eliminating the need to reach for the payment card lodged in their processing unit.
📌 *_LTA working with Traffic Police to expand the safety notifications_*
It will include more speed-camera zones, including red-light cameras and mobile cameras, to remind motorists to keep within speed limits.
LTA said it has received positive feedback from early adopters who appreciated the safety notifications from the on-board units on school zones, silver zones and bus-lane hours, as these have helped raise awareness of their surroundings and enhance road safety.
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/motorists-can-opt-to-install-next-gen-erp-processing-units-at-driver-s-footwell-lta
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3/5/24, 12:04 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Placing the processing unit in the driver footwell will make it easier for driver to insert or remove their payment card.
2. Else driver got to stretch their body if install in the passenger footwell and could sprain the back.
3. But the left leg that rest on the footwell can be uncomfortable when lean against the unit - and the left leg need to apply brake. Hence important to ensure the unit is install higher and not obstruct the left leg when the leg need to rest.
3/5/24, 12:08 pm - +~.@: braking should be right leg. except for foot applied parking brake. but yea i think the driver left leg would be quite uncomfortable
3/5/24, 12:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oops I mean the left leg to apply crutch for manual car.
3/5/24, 12:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: The policy makers never think or maybe they never drive. 🤣🤣🤣 Like the parking lots in Bukit panjang. So tight. I believe our 4G leaders got not only brilliance but wisdom too. Too many elites implementing without wholesomeness. Lots of mess to clean up
3/5/24, 12:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Imagine all those who readers were installed?
3/5/24, 12:19 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Concerning safe crossing, I notice most emphasis are place on red light crossing.
2. Red light camera and speed cameras are place to catch beating red light offenders.
3. But many vehicles don't give way to pedestrians crossing zebra crossing across major road or slip road.
4. I witness a few occasions of near miss or offending vehicles that will drive through the zebra crossing when pedestrians already start crossing the zebra crossing.
5. There are also few news about vehicles knocking down pedestrians crossing the zebra crossing.
6. I suggest cameras should also put in major road zebra crossing.
7. In addition, if red light camera is place on red light crossing, it should also be able to capture slip road zebra crossing.
3/5/24, 12:19 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"Elderly woman taken to hospital after being hit by taxi in Tiong Bahru" at a zebra crossing.
A few cases of cars not stopping at zebra crossing and hitting pedestrians.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/elderly-woman-taken-to-hospital-after-being-hit-by-taxi-in-tiong-bahru#:~:text=Elderly%20woman%20taken%20to%20hospital%20after%20being%20hit%20by%20taxi%20in%20Tiong%20Bahru
3/5/24, 12:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"Foreign worker jailed for lying to police that he was driver in accident; owned up after learning victim died" at zebra crossing.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/foreign-worker-jailed-lying-police-he-was-driver-accident-owned-after-learning-victim-died-3407796#:~:text=Foreign%20worker%20jailed%20for%20lying%20to%20police%20that%20he%20was%20driver%20in%20accident%3B%20owned%20up%20after%20learning%20victim%20died
3/5/24, 12:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/schoolboy-on-bicycle-nearly-hit-by-car-at-sengkang-zebra-crossing
Schoolboy on bicycle nearly hit by car at Sengkang zebra crossing.
Suggest installing camera near zebra crossing to nab cars that fail to stop at zebra crossing.
It is a common occurrence - that are putting pedestrian in jeopardy.
3/5/24, 12:23 pm - +KS Foong: We keep hearing HDB flats transact above million dollar. This is extremely worrying. Is the government doing something to reduce this heat? Perhaps the bank shoud think twice to finance such transactions. Do we really think these flats really worth the asked price?
3/5/24, 12:23 pm - +Nic Freehold: This message was deleted
3/5/24, 12:24 pm - +Khuan Yew: It’s an over engineered solution looking for a problem. Motorists don’t need an OBU to remind them to drive safely. That should be ingrained into motorists. Having an OBU to alert drivers is not going to improve safety if the driver is always impatient and does not respect traffic rules.
In other countries like Taiwan and Malaysia, they use a RFID tag mounted on the front headlights of the car. It’s cheap to produce, motorists can stick it on themselves and it is durable in our weather. Why doesn’t LTA think of a simpler and cost effective solution?
LTA is spending $556 million on say 1 million OBUs. That’s $550 each paid by taxpayers. RFID would probably be less than $15 each.
3/5/24, 12:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think the main objective of the obu for ERP 2.0 is not for road safety.
The obu is mainly used for road pricing to regulate road usage and prevent congestion.
I think safety use is just an add on functions. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 12:31 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Agree. Trying to impress the boss. Hahaha
3/5/24, 12:39 pm - +Thank You Woman: Well, e bike came in without risk assessment and cause few death and many injuries then they restrict.
The first installation was done at an inconvenience place for driver can see sharing on social
Media then they change placement.
Now my question is who is the one (mastermind/HEAD) behind this LTA!!
Please do evaluation/assessment before coming out with any!!!
3/5/24, 12:40 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I think they did but maybe the wrong crowd, not like us the vocal ones
3/5/24, 12:41 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Maybe the 'follow law ' is real in the civil service? Look at the Boeing whistle blower he got killed. Hahahaha <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 12:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. In fact, I am more concern how will ERP 2.0 make Coe quota more flexible and less rigid - as the weight should move from more rigid quota based to usage base.
2. This will allow more people who need the car to own car and use it when required - eg. Fetch children to preschool or buy groceries or send children to grandparents place for care taking.
3. Car owners can avoid crowded roads and pay when used in congested roads.
4. Hopefully this will reduce the Coe bidding price that are now hovering at $100,000 exorbitant price. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 12:43 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Let the citizens complain. Why risk one's career. Anyway the superior always pushes the blame. Eg the MRT fiasco we forget and another incident I forgot hahaha
3/5/24, 12:45 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am a whistle blower didn't get anything, my friend follow lah made it
3/5/24, 12:46 pm - +Thank You Woman: Dear Jimmy that’s so kind of you. We do it for humanity we do not need anything. Do good and world is round it will route back 🙏
3/5/24, 12:50 pm - +Thank You Woman: I dun think so, e scooter/bike is a very good example.
If they did such incident wouldn’t have happen. They probably never think far enough
3/5/24, 12:53 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Maybe they didn't even have a focus group
3/5/24, 12:53 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Like the 1509 Brompton bikes hahaha follow law
3/5/24, 12:53 pm - +SL: Agree on point #1, and it's also not visible from the reer seat (passenger) Windows
3/5/24, 12:54 pm - +SL: Can the unit become smaller?
3/5/24, 12:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Whistleblower who accused Boeing supplier of ignoring defects dies | Aviation News https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/2/whistleblower-joshua-dean-ex-worker-at-boeing-supplier-dies
3/5/24, 12:58 pm - +Thank You Woman: They didn’t have the “right” ppl in LTA
3/5/24, 1:01 pm - +Rama: Not surprising!
3/5/24, 1:06 pm - +Jimmy Chew: They are brilliant minds but need the EQ element missing. Cf John F Kennedy and his teams did a fiasco in Vietnam
3/5/24, 1:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. To be fair, it is almost impossible to get new system completely perfect and rightly place at the onset.
2. No country in the world has an ERP system - Singapore is the 1st and only.
3. Hence I won't be surprise there will be some teething problems along the way.
4. Getting feedback from the public that use it and humbly accept good feedback that highlights inadequacy is a hallmark of a receptive and good government that spare no effort to improve.
5. Likewise in ebike and PMDs - many countries also face similar problems like Singapore - whereby charging PMDs trigger battery explosion or fire (saw it in social media in China), UK and some EU countries reported PMD users fight with pedestrians or car owners as they either hog the road, ride too fast and knock down pedestrians or bang into cars or vice versa.
6. When new systems are introduced, experimentation, sandbox, pilot testing, roll out in large scale will definitely come with some teething problems - and constant fine tuning to make the system is imperative.
7. No countries are magician that can make new system perfect without hiccups in one implementation. Else humans won't be learning in Samsara Universe - with a blink of thought can get everything perfect.
3/5/24, 1:25 pm - +Thank You Woman: Understand that not able to get it perfect but at least not so much PROBLEM surfacing one after another “Understand” 🤦♀️
3/5/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. As public providing feedback, we need not be sarcastic, or assume if we do it, it will be perfect - we could do it worst than the public service.
2. So we should just be objective to provide the right feedback - which areas need to improve, which areas are doing well so that public service can find tune it and get it right.
3/5/24, 1:26 pm - +Terrie Wong: Yes, Singapore tries harder & is therefore more progressive although perfection is impossible to achieve.
3/5/24, 1:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I understand from my old reach talk that they are trying to reduce reaction time. Means get feedback if possible immediate change to policies. I believe they're making excellent progress <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 1:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Even AI need many rounds of iterations, learning and training to get responses more accurate and improve.
I ask my son, AI uses highly advanced graphic processors and chips that can process equations, math at the speed of light.
Why they are still slower than humans processing skills?
My son say, you should treat AI like a toddler - and teach it step by step systematically and logically for AI to learn because world problems are much more too complex - as it involves physical, mental; logic and emotion.
So likewise when solving practical system problems - there are much more issues to look at and resolve - before the system is comfortable to public that use it.
ERP 2.0 is a very sophisticated system that uses complex satellite, sensor, backend IT system, wireless comms system, electronic payment system, GPS location tracking that go to the last metre in motion etc.
It is more complex than anyone can think of - and no countries in the world use it.
Singapore is the 1st.
So if anyone say, ERP 2.0 no hiccups - perfect at installation - I think it sounds like fairy tale.
Singapore is the 1st. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 1:43 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Cool.
3/5/24, 1:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In addition, the OBU unit need to install in a car whereby temperature can soar very high - subjected to the stress of nature elements.
Any IT people can vouch that IT system are very sensitive to heat.
At 40 degree Celsius, IT equipment, servers, processing units will start to fail.
Severs will do automatic shutdown to prevent the system from malfunctioning.
So for ERP 2.0 OBU to operate inside the car, whereby temperature can rise above 50 degree Celsius and yet continue to function properly is no mean feat.
So don't make fast conclusion that LTA staff have no intelligent staff.
They are far more intelligent and resourceful than we thought they are not. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 1:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And LTA has the most number of best engineers and architects - that design very complex infrastructure like LTA, drilling of underground, road infrastructure, traffic lights, ERP system, traffic conditions monitoring etc.
Initially, almost half are foreign professionals recruited from overseas with advanced engineering knowledge and skillsets.
Now more are local engineers.
So if we passed comments that LTA staff not so intelligent - I think it is insulting.
3/5/24, 1:57 pm - +Khuan Yew: Malaysia and Taiwan use the RFID to pay the road tolls which is the same as road pricing. Don’t need an expensive system when other countries have adopted a simpler and cost effective system
3/5/24, 1:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That means is the same as manual ERP 1.0.
Need to setup booth and toll at intermediate roads.
It is not flexible and dynamic pricing - for congested roads.
3/5/24, 2:01 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Then it won't help in relaxing Coe quota because it still can't price based on road usage - based on dynamic adjustment to road conditions.
3/5/24, 2:02 pm - +Terrie Wong: Thank you Danny for the balanced assessment
3/5/24, 2:04 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In future when autonomous cars go on the road, autonomous cars cannot tap on the infrastructure of ERP 2.0 that uses satellite, GPS, sensors, integration with traffic lights, central command and control systems, 5G mobile wireless system etc.
And tap on the AI for effective road usage and car park regulations, monitoring and control.
ERP 2.0 is not only meant for current use - it is a vision that are projected for many years down the road as new technologies evolves. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 2:06 pm - +Khuan Yew: That’s not true. In Taiwan and Australia, vehicles just drive through the gantries without stopping, like the ERP gantries in Singapore. There are no need for booths
3/5/24, 2:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
So is still a fixed structure like ERP 1.0?
3/5/24, 2:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This gantry system is not future proof for autonomous systems or relieving our current high Coe based on rigid quota instead of usage based pricing.
That's our needs have run past this fixed system and no longer can meet our future needs.
Hence we need a dynamic ERP 2.0 that are gantryless. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 2:13 pm - +Khuan Yew: I don’t know what you mean by ERP 1.0. Kindly Google or ask META AI to find pictures of the gantries and systems in other countries
3/5/24, 2:16 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 2:16 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 2:16 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Aren't they the same as our ERP 1.0 gantry system?
How will they serve our future needs as mentioned above for dynamic road pricing and autonomous cars in future? <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 2:21 pm - +SL: The 2nd….?
3/5/24, 2:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: SMRT train 🚆 no ERP difference from road. ERP is taxpayers collect to building new road and COE make them limit buying cars.
3/5/24, 2:28 pm - +SL: Europe is using EETS which having OBU. ETC used in many countries included TAG, Highway 6, Citylink, Autopass, Salik, Autopista?
3/5/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh.
How does it work?
3/5/24, 2:32 pm - +SL: Erp is a type of electronic toll collection. Eets, Etc, E-Zpass (usa) all work in a similar concept.
3/5/24, 2:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
So like ERP 1.0 gantry system.
3/5/24, 2:34 pm - +SL: Ezpass is the open road tolling (ort) in eastern usa - Pennsylvania turnpike is one of it.
3/5/24, 2:35 pm - +SL: You means our current gantry system?
3/5/24, 2:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If they are similar to ERP 1.0 gantry system - that means they are not future proof to accommodate autonomous cars or dynamic road pricing - and this won't meet our future needs.
3/5/24, 2:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
3/5/24, 2:38 pm - +Khuan Yew: There is no need for ERP2.0 for autonomous cars. Tesla has already achieved that.
3/5/24, 2:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Tesla autonomous system is not optimised for road usage.
There are more functions in autonomous systems than the current tesla system which is half autonomous and half manual.
3/5/24, 2:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore has provision a dedicated site that do autonomous cars pilot testing and has integration with 5G, sensors, red light etc
China infrastructure is ramping up for autonomous cars with similar supporting road infrastructure.
It is more sophisticated than we thought.
Else there will be more accidents and road crash like what reported overseas whereby tesla autonomous systems fail and cause road accidents and car crash.
PSA also used a fully autonomous trucks that are used to transport cargo containers in a controlled environment with all the IT infrastructure in place to control, manage and monitor the autonomous systems sandbox in the port terminal.
They are not allowed to operate in Singapore open roads. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 2:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 2:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The pilot test report on Singapore autonomous cars trial - reveal that it is not ready for full usage in Singapore road usage yet as IT infrastructure are not yet ready for hybrid use of manual cars and autonomous cars. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 2:50 pm - +SL: I thought Siemens, continental, Thales, gmv, do provide solutions for gnss based road tolling with egnss system via egnos Galileo?
3/5/24, 2:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh I don't know what is this.
But Thales is a highly sophisticated comms, military and IT system vendor - that can provides a solution that we need in ERP 2.0.
But I think they are not involved in ERP 2.0 if I understand correctly.
Thales do provide solutions for the signaling system for our mrt if I remember correctly. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 3:09 pm - +SL: If you see the latest Beijing car expo, there are many models with level 3 adas autonomous cars, china is the target level 3 adas market this year. Europe is with level 4 adas in a designated location.
3/5/24, 3:10 pm - +SL: ETC…
3/5/24, 3:12 pm - +SL: Gnss based road tolling is similar to the erp2.0
3/5/24, 3:14 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh I see.
So they are like us.
Future proofing their autonomous car system.
3/5/24, 3:16 pm - +SL: There are many satellite forming the gnss network, main players are gps from usa, Europe Galileo, china beidou, Russia glonass
3/5/24, 3:17 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I see.
3/5/24, 3:18 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢
3/5/24, 3:18 pm - +SL: GNS-based road pricing is for road usage toll collection; I don't see Europe requiring autonomous cars to link both together, so I am unsure if it is in their plan.
3/5/24, 3:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I see.
For the time being it is still premature.
Still testing, trial here and there.
There are also some future potential use in the security space.
3/5/24, 3:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
ERP 2.0 potential is very broad.
If emergency arise, it can be used as island wide surveillance and targeting system.
Hence, we need to know why such a sophisticated system are conceptualise in the 1st place and its potential before throwing the spanner.
3/5/24, 3:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Eg. I am sure they will need GPS system from the satellite to do location tracking and pricing for car usage in congested roads.
Likewise, autonomous cars will require similar needs.
Autonomous cars also needs integration with red light system - so integration to ERP 2.0 also requires.
I won't be surprise in future, they will also do likewise when autonomous cars become more prevalent.
3/5/24, 3:35 pm - +SL: Autonomous? Based on the news, autonomous trucks on the road are using lidar, radar, and data feeds from satellites, ground stations, etc, to manage the system and use it for transporting goods between seaports and warehouses via highways in the USA.
3/5/24, 3:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
In future, ERP 2.0 can also be used if needed.
3/5/24, 3:41 pm - +SL: Is it like the Europe e-call system where the car installed with gnss based obu crashed into an accident, the auto signal was sent to the emergency department and the rescue team deployed immediately without human intervention?
3/5/24, 3:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Together with ground sensors and integration with the current road system deployed for autonomous cars.
3/5/24, 3:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
Many possible scenarios.
The potential is boundless.
3/5/24, 3:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://news.microsoft.com/apac/2024/05/02/microsoft-announces-us2-2-billion-investment-to-fuel-malaysias-cloud-and-ai-transformation
3/5/24, 3:43 pm - +Frankie Wee: Microsoft hasn’t investing Singapore Ai? Huh…
3/5/24, 3:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore already fully adopted Microsoft cloud Azure system and OpenAi.
3/5/24, 3:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Now only countries like Malaysia Indonesia Thailand with big market potential not adopted yet
3/5/24, 3:45 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
When Microsoft say invest, it also means it want to access their consumer market to buy and subscribe their products.
3/5/24, 3:46 pm - +Frankie Wee: Maybe I can said that US govt scared technology can spy all data accessed investment Ai in Singapore because we have business with China.
3/5/24, 3:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not really.
Malaysia use Huawei 5G.
3/5/24, 3:46 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore is open market like Oppo and Huawei
3/5/24, 3:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: I see wonder how???
3/5/24, 3:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore backend 5G is not Huawei.
But some front end apps got Huawei. But there's no security implications.
3/5/24, 3:48 pm - +Andy: Has anyone in this group installed this new system and what's your feedback? I'm a taxi driver so my concern will be how bulky it is and if placed at the driver's side will it be very tight for me as I am sitting there for 8 hours or more. Also will it generate heat that affects the driver's comfort? Anyway is already a confirmed thing right so no matter what is going to be installed. Now is how to make it smoother and hopefully not much hiccups which require car owners to get it checked, fixed, change a new piece or appealed to waive ERP fees if it is the system's fault.
3/5/24, 3:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore need license Ai support by Microsoft. Without it there will be challenges economy. Technology future going advance in automotive industry.
3/5/24, 3:57 pm - +SL: Autonomous is just one of the IR4.0 components, we shall prepare for IR5.0
3/5/24, 4:01 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢
3/5/24, 4:11 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I don't think OBU will generate alot of heat.
It should be similar to the unit for QR code payment system.
But it could be bulky.
Didn't see the installed system yet.
Only pictures in the news article.
3/5/24, 4:13 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 4:14 pm - +Andy: Thanks Danny
3/5/24, 4:26 pm - +Shashi: Hi all. Just some feedback and queries:
1. Car manufacturers design their interiors with crash safety in mind. Some cars even have knee airbags. Will the installation of the processing unit in the foot wells (both passenger and driver) pose any safety concerns? I still drive a manual car and installation on the driver side might impede my leg movement when changing gears.
2. Is there a need for the card reader to be part of the processing unit? Could the processing unit be placed somewhere more obscure and the card reader remain at the current position as with the current generation IU? I am guessing that the whole overheating issue is only for the processor as our current card reading IUs are performing just fine. Why was this not a consideration?
3. That said, any proposed system should consider safety as well as convenience. In my opinion, reaching out for the cash card in such an unnatural manner in either foot well seems to pose both safety and convenience issues. Just my thoughts. Thanks everyone.
3/5/24, 4:29 pm - +Andy: For the road safety part, is not only the driver's issue. Is every road user's (drivers, motorcyclists, ebike, cyclists pedestrians) responsibility. Being a taxi driver, daily will witness dangerous drivers, ebike/cyclists flaunting the traffic rules and pedestrians crossing the traffic lights or zebra crossing without looking/on their hp/with their earbuds or headphones. So it'll be good for every traffic lights/zebra crossing/school and silver zones to have cameras in case any accidents happen we can retrieve the footage what actual happened and not just arrest and charge the driver as it can be the cyclist's or pedestrian's fault.
3/5/24, 5:05 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Malaysia rarely use US security system.
Many are Russia system or some Europe system or Asia system. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 5:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Sorry they have some US older security system.
3/5/24, 5:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"HUAWEI CLOUD Unveils in Singapore".
https://www.huawei.com/en/news/2019/2/huawei-cloud-unveil-in-singapore#:~:text=HUAWEI%20CLOUD%20Unveils%20in%20Singapore
3/5/24, 5:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"Huawei Strengthens Alliance with Singapore Partners for Sustainable Growth".
https://www.huawei.com/sg/news/sg/2024/huawei%20singapore%20partner%20summit%202024#:~:text=Huawei%20Strengthens%20Alliance%20with%20Singapore%20Partners%20for%20Sustainable%20Growth
3/5/24, 5:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/huawei-strengthens-singapore-rd-operations-unveils-openlab-3-0-asia-pacific-301794107.html
Singapore R&D operations, unveils OpenLab 3.0 Asia-Pacific.
3/5/24, 5:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 5:51 pm - +D LwT: Even most of our telecom involved with huawei
3/5/24, 5:51 pm - +D LwT: Our TV fibre broadband
3/5/24, 5:52 pm - +D LwT: Internet broadband for laptop 💻
3/5/24, 5:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: China is our best friend too
3/5/24, 5:54 pm - +D LwT: China is alot of country too including USA
3/5/24, 5:54 pm - +D LwT: Even through than ban huawei
3/5/24, 5:55 pm - +D LwT: Money 💰 not all things they can ban will affect USA too
3/5/24, 5:56 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why:-
"Friends with All.
Enemies with None.
Forge mutual benefits with Win-Win outcomes".
Most important, don't insult people.
We will never know when we need help from others including those whom we have insulted.
Treat one another with mutual respect. <This message was edited>
3/5/24, 5:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Haha china not happy when we declare the ruling on the south china sea
3/5/24, 5:58 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
But we must be the voice of reasons.
Objective, fair and just.
3/5/24, 6:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢
3/5/24, 6:03 pm - +D LwT: Just showing off his firepower if they r so powerful long ago Taiwan already been attack wayang
3/5/24, 6:04 pm - +Frankie Wee: I understood Singapore is welcome any country competition technology no matter whether China or USA bothe side are enemies each other
3/5/24, 6:04 pm - +D LwT: Any changes on the gantry fees
3/5/24, 6:05 pm - +D LwT: End of the day rich ppl for both side still gan
3/5/24, 6:25 pm - +D LwT: https://youtu.be/tRVVXDyg3RY?si=7Xuhzf_8JEI-_1gt
3/5/24, 6:26 pm - +Thank You Woman: Malaysia RFID 👍
3/5/24, 6:26 pm - +D LwT: https://youtu.be/PzdU_zEZHqw?si=3hxSQzBobl0REeIr
3/5/24, 6:27 pm - +Thank You Woman: We can opt not to right
3/5/24, 6:29 pm - +Thank You Woman: Yeah Lor so low 😖😖😖 no good
3/5/24, 6:29 pm - +Thank You Woman: Can opt to install !! So is not necessary…
3/5/24, 6:36 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Don't think the value of ERP 2.0 can be fully appreciated now.
Satellite navigation is already available to drivers who use their mobile phones to aid in navigation, accompanied with live traffic data and auto rerouting, so what is the delta ERP 2.0 bringing, except to save Govt's cost for physical gantry and facilitate Govt's dynamic pricing?
Will COE be totally removed and hence cars with ERP 2.0 be 100k cheaper? If so, then to entice current drivers to install ERP 2.0, perhaps can consider a rebate of remaining COE once dynamic pricing is introduced? Free motoring card makes drivers look cheapo.
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3/5/24, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
3/5/24, 6:58 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. The display unit can opt not to install because smartphone can be used to display the necessary info.
2. But the obu for payment card and satellite antenna are still necessary. Else ERP charge won't work. You will get summon if you drive.
3. Else car cannot go out of the road once ERP 2.0 kickstart.
4. RFID don't work in ERP 2.0 that uses satellite.
5. RFID obviously is incompatible with the narrative of dynamic pricing and future autonomous system.
3/5/24, 6:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
6. RFID range is 100 meters for gantry system.
7. Satellite cover the entire country.
3/5/24, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
3/5/24, 7:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: <Media omitted>
3/5/24, 7:01 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
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